Only time virtual particles become real particles is by stealing energy from blackholes
#🔌│tech
mild dome
young pecan
Pretty much. This implies it’s coming from somewhere we can’t see, can’t detect, and is taking energy from something not in 3 spacial planes. Conveniently math decides to die if you try mathing the only place we can’t so far see.
astral haven
what?
astral haven
again citation needed big time there
mild dome
Vparticles increase entropy as they eat away at blackholes and spreading their energy out. So they do have an effect on entropy
by increasing it 
mild dome
They however do not reverse energy dispersal
young pecan
I didn’t claim that they did.
astral haven
right here
quantum bs doesnt cause any problems for entropy so far
if it does, cite time
anything causing problems for entropy is grounds for being the most important information of all time
young pecan
Again that massively depends on what you’re talking about with entropy because there’s 2 primary definitions. The thermodynamics one and the chaos one.
astral haven
they are one and the same
at least im not aware of any definitions of entropy that arent unified
and i mean definitions of entropy that are useful for making predictions and are falsifiable
young pecan
Right, and I claim is with virtual particles you can force them into our planes outside of a black hole in which case it forces an equal particle into existence which both destroy eachother. We know those particles aren’t coming from a closed test system so the math suggests either quantum foam bullshit which we can’t math yet, or tunnelling from some other location which is possible but insofar we can’t do without virtual particles.
It’s weird.
mild dome
Thermodynamics explains it simply
We have observed that energy doesn't become more organised an useful, but always the reverse. That Once energy is used to do work it becomes spread out and useless, no longer capable of doing useful work.
Other theories just explains how this law effects all systems
astral haven
"We know those particles aren’t coming from a closed test system"
Heres the leap in logic
where are you bringing this in from
young pecan
… because you can count the number of particles before and after and after there are more.
That suggests pretty fuckin’ hard that it’s not your closed system unless it’s quantum foam.
astral haven
… because you can count the number of particles before and after and after there...
sure but that doesnt logically follow
young pecan
Yes which is the weird bit.
astral haven
ok but that doesnt allow you to reverse entropy
and it doesnt allow you to know that you have energy or entropy or anything entering or leaving the system
young pecan
To be clear entropy has 2 distinct definitions that get used interchangeably, it is entirely possible to reverse entropy if you are increasing the chaos of the system via quantum bullshit.
Frames of reference, my dude. They are useful.
astral haven
but that definition would be incorrect by the fact of being disprovable
just because you cant see where the input entropy is, doesnt mean theres no entropy input
young pecan
Which is not what I’m saying if you would be so kind as to read 2 messages ago.
mild dome
Quantum dynamics explains that all particles exist as waves within fields. That the entire universe is made up of fields that are constantly at motion.
With enough energy these fields generate true particles, but without enough energy you can get a freak "rogue waves" that form a particle-anti-particle pair side by side. They do not posses the energy to escape from one another and so immediately annihilate. We know where these come from, they are formed from the energy present within the various quantum fields. They do not come from "outside the universe"
young pecan
That’s putting some words in my mouth I didn’t really say. I never said there was an outside to the universe, I said we cannot mathematically find an edge that stops.
We can find an edge that has math break down. I wouldn’t call that an edge of reality.
astral haven
sure but that doesnt allow entropy to be reversed
young pecan
Going by one of the two definitions of that entropy is, yes.
astral haven
ok so lets focus on the other definitions of entropy
astral haven
Thermodynamics explains it simply
We have observed that energy doesn't become mo...
what makes those definitions different from lets use this as the base definition
young pecan
The base physics definition of entropy is the thermodynamics one, which as we’ve established with current models you cannot ever get a free lunch from. Going by the definition of entropy being a measure of chaos in a system, it is possible to reverse entropy in a system, this definition is also applicable to physics.
astral haven
but again you arent reversing entropy itself
only entropy within a system
and theres only 1 known way to do that
mild dome
That’s putting some words in my mouth I didn’t really say. I never said there wa...
You literally said "We know those particles aren’t coming from a closed test system" Which I interpretted you as saying they were from outside the universe
young pecan
I spoke badly then.
mild dome
well Ima grab luncheon
young pecan
To be more specific if you isolate a small space and exactly measure the particles on the inside and then perform the experiment you briefly end up with more then you did before until they get destroyed.
Quantum bullshit is fun weird.
astral haven
But then you aren't measuring entropy of the system
Brings us back to the definition problem
Entropy is not "randomness energy"
young pecan
Good thing we have a dictionary for that. Makes it pretty straightforward.
young pecan
Entropy is not "randomness energy"
I never one time said it was.
astral haven
Sure but I want to make it clear
astral haven
To be more specific if you isolate a small space and exactly measure the particl...
This has nothing to do with entropy
young pecan
Wasn’t linking that to entropy.
That was in relation to the previous topic of where the edge of the universe is.
And like… no fuckin’ idea.
astral haven
This was the previous topic
And this was the wrong part
young pecan
Is it? Entropy being the chaos in a system, quantum tunnelling will happily put things in more energy dense areas. Through enough quantum bullshit it’s possible to get a bit flip.
Rare as fuck but doable.
astral haven
But that's external fuckery
young pecan
Not exactly. Like the material the phone itself is made from can tunnel.
Or ig we could call that external in a sense.
Or hell, even the NAND packet material could tunnel and cause a flip.
astral haven
Cool
But that is predictable and follows the law of entropy
At no point is there less entropy in the system without entropy entering or leaving the system
young pecan
We can’t measure quantum mechanics which is what would be causing this. Follow the law or not we literally are unable to measure it without collapsing a waveform which fucks everything up.
astral haven
We can and do measure it
astral haven
Which is all that we can interact with
young pecan
Unless we don’t measure it in which case we get a waveform.
Do you measure a waveform if you hold a phone?
astral haven
That is a can of worms, but the answer is usefully yes
young pecan
Is it though? Like I don’t actually know this. What’s the limit for observation before a waveform fucks off.
astral haven
Again bringing in the god of the gaps
young pecan
Because labs show it’s so long as something isn’t getting looked at which is weird.
astral haven
We make predictions that are useful, and those predictions rely on waveform collapse
young pecan
Again bringing in the god of the gaps
Not at all. The double slit experiment is probably the most famous waveform collapse experiment. Like that can be replicated by just not looking at stuff happening.
Is it looking in the direction or looking at the space?
astral haven
And the double slit experiment is often extremely misunderstood
young pecan
This is true, but it can still be replicated by duplicating it and changing where you observe.
astral haven
Yes and no
young pecan
What amount of observation is required for a waveform to not like existing anymore. That changes the answer of how much quantum fuckery can happen in a phone.
Like does the screen protect the waveform?
That’s a weird cursed question.
astral haven
Any
young pecan
Right but that doesn’t make any sense because people are everywhere and this experiment is still doable.
That you can’t look at it through the floor and have it collapse is telling.
astral haven
Ah but they can
young pecan
Ok so the question becomes why does it work with a barrier between the observer and the test?
Ok so doing quick research we have a unanimous answer.
astral haven
Because if it weren't being observed, it wouldn't happen?
young pecan
‘No idea, it’s not consistent and nobody can agree on anything’ is the general accepted answer.
astral haven
Except thats not true
young pecan
Because if it weren't being observed, it wouldn't happen?
But it happens when it’s not being observed. That’s phase 1 of the boss battle.
astral haven
It is perfectly consistent
astral haven
But it happens when it’s not being observed. That’s phase 1 of the boss battle.
No, by definition it does not
young pecan
Ah. I misspoke.
No, what people can’t agree on is the amount of observation required for a wave function to collapse.
The collapse isn’t in question.
young pecan
Which is partially useful. Gives us a known lower bound, but not a complete. Like if I watch it through a slightly opaque sheet of plastic what happens?
How opaque does the plastic need to be before the waveform won’t collapse?
young pecan
Apparently not because the functional experiments still have the researcher aware the thing is happening so it’s not consciousness, and watching the interference pattern itself doesn’t collapse it, so watching the slits I suppose? But how much watching constitutes watching and where does it actively stop?
astral haven
If you understood, you would already know the answer
...
What causes it to pick a path
young pecan
Like the particles?
astral haven
The light
young pecan
Right so going over multiple research docs from literally last year are all giving the same answer to my question. Nobody knows how much observation is enough.
Still an open question in the field.
astral haven
Gonna need some sauce here
young pecan
Wait no this is of course a weird multilayer question.
astral haven
No it's actually not
young pecan
As of 2023:
- The Copenhagen interpretation says big things touching little things forces the collapse by measurement
- The Many Worlds interpretation says big and small things are both quantum systems and there isn’t a collapse but rather a unilateral evolution.
- Bayesianism tells us collapse is based on belief of collapse per person, so one thing may collapse for me and not for you.
- Then there are many others of varying degree of weirdness.
The problem is as far as I can see there isn’t actually an answer on which is really true, the most popular is naturally the Copenhagen interpretation but that isn’t even remotely a complete interpretation.
astral haven
Like scientists often run into problems that have a simple experiment that looks like it breaks physics
And people make theories about why that happens
But what doesn't happen is breaking fundamental laws
If that were to happen, everyone needs to update
And the laws that were broken weren't correct
young pecan
Right and we don’t have an accurate measure nor model of this, and meanwhile one of the greatest open questions of quantum mechanics is ‘how much measurement is enough measurement’.
So far? No good answers.
astral haven
But we have a perfectly Predictive model
We sure don't understand the why
But we do the what
astral haven
No, you were making statements that are provably incorrect
And you are still rationalizing yourself into a god of the gaps
Or a deus x machina of the gaps if you so wish
young pecan
Again, that’s doable and we see that being doable in measured experiments. Quantum tunnelling is not guaranteed to go into a lower energy state. Very likely but not guaranteed.
astral haven
Again rationalizing
young pecan
Ok allow me to piece together some logic for you because I really think you’re not getting it.
astral haven
And I will stop you when you make a mistake if I can spot it
young pecan
Quantum mechanics can have particles tunnel seemingly randomly, it’s not based on time or any external factor we can measure. If we have a highly sensitive mass, right? Like a transistor, it is possible, unlikely but possible, for enough tunnelling to happen to change the state of that transistor and thus flip a single bit if enough of them are flipped.
Nothing in physics prohibits that from happening. It’s nuts unlikely, but it is a thing.
young pecan
To be clear by seemingly random I mean universally. Pinpointing why one particle tunnels is doable, doing that on a mass scale is harder to the point of impossibility.
Hence seemingly random. Seemingly being the operative word there.
Not random in reality but difficult enough that it may as well be.
astral haven
but thats again missing the whole point
it is random
we define it as random
its not seemingly random, we use it as random
astral haven
its not a determinism argument, its semantics
i mean technically it all boils down to semantics as long as you arent breaking any laws of physics cough
young pecan
Regardless, be it determined or random it is possible for quantum mechanics to tunnel enough particles to one location to flip a single bit. Nothing prohibits that outright.
coarse cloak
wtf you guys are dedicated to the talk 
young pecan
I mean like it’s probably not happening. But y’know.
young pecan
Elaborate. The phone or the particle?
astral haven
pick one
young pecan
Like if you go by the Copenhagen interpretation then theoretically the phone is a measuring device and should collapse a waveform, however as we don’t know how much observation is required for a waveform collapse we can’t answer that question with any certainty.
astral haven
but are you able to make predictions using the copenhagen interpretation that arent doable without?
young pecan
Yes but as it’s incomplete and lacks crucial data I don’t find that a compelling foundation for an argument.
young pecan
You could make the same arguments for Newton against Einstein. ‘I can measure this thing with this that I can’t measure without it, therefore it is right?’
Like what’s your point here.
astral haven
but if you dont include einstein, your predictions will have an error
young pecan
Yes which the Copenhagen interpretation does have errors, namely gaps in information it doesn’t answer.
astral haven
but what does it answer
young pecan
It answers that measuring something collapses a waveform, it does not answer how much measurement is required to collapse that waveform.
astral haven
and btw i didnt notice you slipped in an incredible misunderstanding of bayesianism
astral haven
and btw i didnt notice you slipped in an incredible misunderstanding of bayesian...
lets bookmark this for later
young pecan
To bring this to a Newton analogy it’s like saying ‘gravity is X fast here, therefore it Y fast everywhere’. That’s not complete information.
Like yeah you can measure stuff with it but it’s not finished.
astral haven
It answers that measuring something collapses a waveform, it does not answer how...
except you can throw out the copenhagen interpretation and replace it with the many worlds interpretation and the end function is the same
young pecan
Right and if anything that should tell you the information is incomplete.
astral haven
again missing the point
young pecan
So the question is yet to be answered. Does the inside of a phone collapse a waveform?
astral haven
no you are completely missing the point here
young pecan
Then elaborate. Because your point seems to be ‘we can measure this and by measuring it the waveform collapses, therefore any measurement collapses a waveform’.
astral haven
if we cant make any predictions using it, we cannot use it to determine what is true
young pecan
That is correct.
astral haven
so forget the interpretations
what causes the switch between states in the experiment
young pecan
Being observed or measured or otherwise touched in some way.
astral haven
and the scientific term for that is interact
young pecan
I mean that doesn’t really tell us anything.
astral haven
and?
young pecan
Interaction collapses a waveform? Cool so does that mean interaction only happens when observed? Right so back to the question of how much observation is enough observation.
It’s something nobody knows, no math or science has managed to figure that out.
astral haven
except we can make predictions using it
young pecan
You can make predictions using Newtonian physics that hold up excellently until you push them too far, which is exactly what happens with the observer effect.
There is no answer anyone has managed to find. I have like 40 tabs open, every single person says the same thing.
Nobody knows how much you need to observe or measure something before a waveform collapses.
young pecan
The what is it collapses when observed, the why is irrelevant.
young pecan
The what that’s unanswered is ‘how much observation is needed in a practical experiment before the thing will collapse’. Nobody has been able to find that out.
The what isn’t actually discovered.
astral haven
again misunderstanding
young pecan
So yes you’re working with GIGO the same way Newtonian age physicists did.
young pecan
Until you push that answer too far, sure. Observation is not a binary thing. You aren’t observing and then not observing.
astral haven
but if you "push it too far" you are no longer making predictions
young pecan
Because reality stops working to our current models, yes.
astral haven
Until you push that answer too far, sure. Observation is not a binary thing. You...
last 2 statements need some [citation needed]
astral haven
Because reality stops working to our current models, yes.
and this is just patently false
young pecan
last 2 statements need some [citation needed]
Mmm, misspoke again. To reorganise this we have cases where you can look at a double slit experiment from a distance and it won’t work, this tells us we’re interacting, yes?
astral haven
nope
young pecan
Then we can put a barrier between the observer and the experiment and suddenly it will work. This tells us we are no longer interacting and thus the waveform has come up.
astral haven
oh when you say work you mean wave?
young pecan
Yes. When you look at it you get particles, when you don’t you get waves.
astral haven
yep and this is a super common misconception
young pecan
How? Going by your own logic it’s the purest form of the experiment.
astral haven
you can look at it and get waves
young pecan
If you look at the output, yes.
That’s how we capture the measurement in the first place.
astral haven
but you can look at the input too
as long as you dont receive information about which slit the particle went through
young pecan
That prevents you from looking at the input. If you’re watching the slots then it won’t work.
astral haven
again wrong
you can look at the input
as long as you cant figure out which it went through, you will get the wave
young pecan
Mm. Observation probably isn’t the right word for this. Better to stop confusing things.
young pecan
Yeah no I already know this.
young pecan
Quad speed, boiiii.
astral haven
Because reality stops working to our current models, yes.
ok so do you see the mistake here?
young pecan
ok so do you see the mistake here?
Meant reality works and our current models don’t explain it well.
astral haven
bingo so lets work backwards from there
young pecan
Dude I never denied that.
astral haven
so why is this incorrect?
young pecan
It isn’t. Tunnelling can happen regardless it’s not defined by experiments with waveform collapse.
Remember. Entropy is defined as chaos in a system. Quantum mechanics allows tunnelling from areas of low density into areas of high density. Nothing would prevent that from happening enough times to cause a bitflip.
young pecan
I really think we’re getting definitions crossed.
You’re still operating under the definition of entropy from a thermodynamics standpoint, yes?
astral haven
yep
young pecan
Right. And I am operating from the other definition of entropy as chaos in a system.
Nobody is saying thermodynamics is broken.
young pecan
Ah. There’s the problem.
Firstly I’m not saying a measurement of chaos in a system is a prediction of anything, it’s a measurement of current chaos in a system. Quantum tunnelling can happen where particles travel from areas of low energy density to areas of high energy density. I’m not talking breaking thermodynamics or violating reality, but quantum tunnelling can do it.
It’s less likely to do so, but it can.
astral haven
ok so whatever you consider to be chaos doesnt exist if it doesnt predict anything
young pecan
Ok let me reexplain. We have a star in the middle of the solar system, yeah? Planets and crap orbiting it. Loooots of space in between that’re filled with comparatively nothing.
That’s a chaotic system.
Imbalanced.
What thermodynamic entropy is eventually going to do is have literally everything be flawlessly spread out in the minimum energy state. That’s what thermodynamic entropy is.
Well the end goal.
astral haven
prediction not goal
young pecan
Entropy as a defined word with multiple definitions is also a measurement of chaos in a system, it’s not a prediction of what will be, but a measurement of what is.
That’s the difference. I’m not talking about entropy as a prediction of thermodynamics, but rather a measurement of chaos in a system.
astral haven
🤷 you can say that all you want, but if you use the chaos as a model of reality
your model of reality is incorrect
astral haven
*Entropy* as a defined word with multiple definitions is also a measurement of c...
here
young pecan
Yes it’s almost as though a word having multiple definitions can mean more than one thing.
astral haven
yep
young pecan
What a minor miracle that is.
astral haven
but just because a definition exists doesnt make it true
i can define fusion as anything that glows
but that model of reality is distinctly unhelpful
young pecan
In this case? It absolutely does. A star is more entropic than the vacuum of space between galactic filaments. I honestly don’t even know what to tell you if you can look at a star versus almost nothing and go ‘there is no difference in chaos here’.
sharp badger
astral haven
In this case? It absolutely does. A star is more entropic than the vacuum of spa...
but the problem is not the chaos itself
the problem is if you try to make predictions using that chaos
young pecan
Fortunately we don’t make predictions using chaos. It’s a measurement of current reality, not a prediction of future reality.
They don’t need to be linked as the same thing.
astral haven
yep
but you also cant use that measurement to make any predictions
young pecan
I can use that measurement and the prediction that quantum tunnelling lets particles cross into more chaotic and higher energy regions than it was previously in to make an assertion of what reality can be based on what it is.
Fuck me this isn’t that complex to work out.
astral haven
I can use that measurement and the prediction that quantum tunnelling lets parti...
look man it obviously is when you make mistakes like that
young pecan
When you are choosing to define any definition as invalid unless you can predict future reality with it then you have a poor grasp on language.
If you get beaten by basic English and a dictionary then idk what to tell you.
young pecan
You’ve implied it every time so far, if you’re saying something different I’d be glad to hear it.
crisp granite
If you get beaten by basic English and a dictionary then idk what to tell you.
pick up mandarin, maybe another language is the ticket
astral haven
the problem is if your definition of entropy allows it to be reversed, its not entropy
young pecan
Entropy has multiple definitions depending on where you’re using it, like most language does. Again if you’re being beaten by a dictionary then I can help you.
astral haven
sure, as does literally
but definitions can be incorrect
i cant stop you from using a word wrong
and i wont
young pecan
And when I’m using it based off established dictionary definition agreed upon by everyone speaking English?
young pecan
I mean valid as that may be you’re giving off some specific vibes rn.
When you have to call everyone but you wrong then you’re on the wrong side of the fence. :p
astral haven
ive provided resources to help you as much as I can
and when I asked for resources that back up yourself, nada
young pecan
Dude you can’t even successfully use a dictionary, how’re you even attempting to claim a high ground?
Just wait.
astral haven
astral haven
but notice the markings?
young pecan
Yes, one is used in physics as being descriptive of thermodynamics, but you wanna know something really special? You can describe things you see with language that isn’t tagged under physics specifically.
astral haven
Well 3 but nobody cares about 3.
1 and 3 are the same btw but thats another matter entirely
astral haven
Yes, one is used in physics as being descriptive of thermodynamics, but you wann...
and if your description is not accurate to physics, your description is incorrect
young pecan
That’s exactly not how that works. You can describe things with words that aren’t accurate to physics to describe a current state of literally anything.
astral haven
sure
but your description will be incorrect at some point if it is different from the reality that physics has discovered
young pecan
You can call an archeological dig entropic as it loses order, that is a valid definition the same way you can say it about the atmospheric composition of ozone or galaxies.
It does not actually matter what you use it on. Just that the definition is sound.
astral haven
and you can say that
but if you apply the theories that govern entropy to that situation, your predictions will be wrong
young pecan
Good thing I never tried to undo thermodynamic entropy, eh? 
astral haven
its just like saying quantum weirdness will make this happen
young pecan
Because quantum weirdness can’t undo thermodynamics, but it can undo or make worse chaotic entropy
astral haven
sure if you arent talking about quantum physics and entropy physics whatever
aaaaaand there you run headlong into the mistake again
young pecan
Ok fuck this. Give me 2 minutes.
astral haven
you have redefined entropy, therefore the equation is no longer valid
sure for a definition of quantum as different from reality as your definition of entropy, go ahead
but that has no bearing on reality
young pecan
Ok here we have white. There is nothing here, nothing out of order. From definition 2 of entropy this is 0% entropy as nothing is out of place.
This is white with some red in the middle. This is very very high entropy as nothing is in order and the system is very chaotic.
I have introduced an orange dot which in this case is our particle, and the arrow is the direction it wants to tunnel into.
Now the orange dot is in the middle of the red crap and the system is higher entropy as it is even less ordered since things are less spread out.
astral haven
I have introduced an orange dot which in this case is our particle, and the arro...
ok so a question to check your comprehension
which is higher entropy
A
astral haven
Now the orange dot is in the middle of the red crap and the system is *higher* e...
or B
young pecan
Yeah I'm making mistakes now. The lower the entropy is the more closely shit is.
astral haven
also wrong
young pecan
Yep my bad. I'm running on not a lot of sleep. 
astral haven
ok so a question to check your comprehension
which is higher entropy
A
so answer the question
young pecan
I have introduced an orange dot which in this case is our particle, and the arro...
This one is higher entropy as things are more spread out, at least in thermodynamics it would be. In this example using definition 2 it's inverse.
This is for the most part irrelevant.
astral haven
wrong
both are wrong
you are misunderstanding the thermodynamics, and the definition 2 is just confusing you
young pecan
I'll take the confusion since I'm exhausted. But you need to get I'm not looking to properly define thermodynamics, the important bit for this is that higher entropy states are when things are less energetic.
astral haven
but you arent understanding what the definitions are
bringing in more words that you also dont understand like states and energetic
old marlin
I mean if you wanna look at entropy with the definition of thermodynamics you have to look at a thermodynamics model
young pecan
Yes and fuck that.
old marlin
B would necessarily be higher entropy since that is the rules of thermodynamics
no matter what happens
astral haven
B would necessarily be higher entropy since that is the rules of thermodynamics
wrong, you are also not understanding
old marlin
like it can only be the same or higher
old marlin
assuming those are the only particles in that model
and they don't contact while orange moves through the cloud of red
they are the same
astral haven
the particle orange has just passed through without the red changing
astral haven
This is white with some red in the middle. This is very very high entropy as *no...
but from here to a there is a huge difference in entropy
old marlin
assuming those are the only particles in that model
aka not like real live empty space, but like absolute vacuum
young pecan
why?
because there hasnt been any interaction
This is ABSOLUTELY not what definition 2 of entropy means, the fuck? If you want to talk thermodynamics entropy which you are then yes that's correct. I've only established like 40 times that I'm not talking about thermodynamic entropy.
They are not the same thing.
No matter how much you'd like it if they were.
astral haven
ok so if your definition is incorrect, then your prediction is also equally incorrect
unless you can prove otherwise
young pecan
My definition as exactly as correct as yours is. They are different definitions.
astral haven
thats a pretty lose form of correct
i use the strict form of correct where things that arent real are incorrect
young pecan
That's the exact form of correct. If you apply a definition that explains something as to the definition then it is correct.
young pecan
B is lower entropy
THANK you.
old marlin
since funnily enough the other form of entropy works the other way around
astral haven
That's the exact form of correct. If you apply a definition that explains someth...
but it doesnt explain anything
misty saffron
you know shit's serious when you see mspaint explanations
old marlin
it comes from probabilistic entropy
astral haven
you probably should sleep
young pecan
Dude if I can run on 2 hours of sleep and beat you at understanding how a dictionary works then you're needing it more than I am.
astral haven
🤨
jolly barn
why are you talking about thermodynamics?
astral haven
mans claiming androids are as insecure as iphones because the software could spontaneously flip from secure to insecure by flipping bits in the processor
and ive been humoring him
steep creek
I have physics later today and this is what I wake up to, lol
astral haven
Which as established is *technically* true.
and my claim is that definition of truth is by definition useless
young pecan
Sure dude, if you wanna define any possible definition that isn't describing the future of reality as useless then you need some critical thinking lessons.
As though describing the past now has 0 use at all.
Brilliant.
astral haven
jumping to conclusions again fam
young pecan
Referencing what you said like 20 mins ago.
astral haven
the past is our best predictor of the future
astral haven
Referencing what you said like 20 mins ago.
and misinterpreting it as per usual
young pecan
Well you point blank said that any definition not able to predict the future is worthless which is brain dented.
Like composite definitions can't exist or something.
young pecan
Fine. Useless.
Except this ignores composite definition in general.
There are a whole fuck of a lot of definitions used in all fields of science that would be useless on their own, yet by being used with other definitions form a bigger picture of language.
Almost as though that's what language is for.
astral haven
if they have a use, they arent useless
young pecan
Oh cool so both definitions of entropy have a use.
They both describe the universe when used in a sentence.
astral haven
sure
but the property is recursive
young pecan
And? Recursive definition is useful for simplifying things and not having to overexplain them.
astral haven
and since the definitions that are misleading, incorrect, or otherwise misguided eventually lead to nothing, even if it can be used, it still is useless in the end
young pecan
Or instead of that take we can understand that a recursive definition that simplifies a greater subject to quickly explain it instead of having to explain all of fucking thermodynamics.
Even though both definitions of entropy aren't really recursive, just related.
astral haven
but the colloquial definition of entropy is worse than that, since not only is it directly inpredictive, it also guides people into thinking they have an understanding of what entropy is when they try to make arguments
young pecan
Yes people do tend to conflate 2 things that shouldn't be conflated and assume that entropy definition 2 is talking about thermodynamics which 10 seconds on google would tell you otherwise.
astral haven
Which as established is *technically* true.
and it leads folks like you into defending completely indefensible positions even though if you were unaware of the poor definition you probably would have made an excellent argument
young pecan
Again, you're sitting here conflating 2 things that should not be and pretending I'm talking about something I'm not.
That isn't a defensible position.
misty saffron
mans claiming androids are as insecure as iphones because the software could spo...
the point was that there's an infinite amount of bugs in software/hardware, i think
astral haven
the point was that there's an infinite amount of bugs in software/hardware, i th...
nah hollow its much worse than that lel
astral haven
Again, you're sitting here conflating 2 things that should not be and pretending...
yea my bad i thought you were conflating your definition of entropy with quantum physics
young pecan
If you'd read what I said then you'd know I didn't.
Too bad people don't fuckin' read.
astral haven
We can’t measure quantum mechanics which is what would be causing this. Follow t...
I dont think i was misreading it
astral haven
Is it? Entropy being the chaos in a system, quantum tunnelling will happily put ...
i really dont think i was misreading it
astral haven
Right, and I claim is with virtual particles you can force them into our planes ...
i really dont think i was misreading it at all
young pecan
i really dont think i was misreading it
Let's take this, right?
When I talk about entropy I'm specifically talking about the chaos in the system, then I'm going to tell you that quantum tunnelling will happily put a particle further into a complex system.
That's not conflating the two as the same thing, that's saying 'under these conditions X thing does Y regardless'.
Nowhere is that saying 'X thing is responsible for Y and causes Z'.
young pecan
i really dont think i was misreading it at all
And this was linked to a different conversation Myall brought up.
astral haven
Let's take this, right?
When I talk about entropy I'm specifically talking abou...
it is conflating the two things
"combine (two or more texts, ideas, etc.) into one."
They are separate things that follow different laws of logic
you cant combine different types of logic
young pecan
Yes, I'm conflating them into a combined idea, not as the same thing. This is yet another example of not reading and assuming.
astral haven
but thats the problem
you cant combine them
2+2= 4 doesnt mean that 2+ apple = orange
young pecan
Into an idea based on how particles work under a circumstance? That's entirely valid.
astral haven
you can redefine valid to mean that, but thats not gonna be a definition of valid that holds up to noncontradiction
young pecan
Valid as I'm intending it here meaning that it doesn't cause problems and checks out logically.
I mean shit take what I said, remove entropy and replace it with high density. Nothing changes.
astral haven
and your combined idea is not valid by that definition
young pecan
If you must change the words to fit them into your bubble then you're free to, but that's a poor grasp on english.
astral haven
if the words dont fit into logic, then you cant make a logical argument about them
a logical argument can be made about the physics definitions of quantum and entropy
but you cant shoehorn a different definition of entropy into the physics equations and have the logic hold
young pecan
Logic:
- Quantum particles can tunnel
- They do this regardless of how high the density of the object they're in is, maybe other than the most extreme celestial bodies
- Quantum particles do this often
- It's possible for them to tunnel to the same rough position
astral haven
when you change the definition, the result changes
young pecan
That's not an enormous leap in logic.
astral haven
Logic:
1. Quantum particles can tunnel
2. They do this regardless of how high t...
🤷 cool story, but this doesnt have anything to do with entropy
like we found the problem obviously
young pecan
If you choose to ignore what the literal book of english says, sure.
astral haven
again its about the laws of logic
if the logic holds for the physics definition, there is nothing that states it must hold for any other definitions unless you can prove they are the same (identity)
young pecan
Right so definition is only valid when you're using it and you get to pretend some parts of the dictionary don't exist? Or am I mistaken here?
astral haven
i can redefine orange as 600nm light
but that doesnt mean that this thing pictured will move at around 299m m/s
young pecan
Yeah nah. I'm just not going to keep into a topic where the other guy uses a strawman that blatant.
astral haven
orange the light waves and orange the fruit are different
young pecan
Jesus fuck dude.
astral haven
and you cant use the laws of light to apply to the fruit
young pecan
Sorry dude, that's brain damaged and anyone with 3 brain cells is going to be able to fully understand why such an example is brain damaged.
Cya.
astral haven
just as such you cant swap out the physics definition of entropy for the colloquial one and have the laws of physics still apply
Now that that's over we can talk tech newer than 2k years old
https://youtu.be/3RWQ_pmIRTo
The iPhone 15 non pro has video????
And by video I mean dp out via USB c
I'm extremely impressed
steep creek
Are you talking about external recording?
astral haven
No I'm talking connecting to monitors
steep creek
Aha
astral haven
I believe the base 15 will be the first USB 2 phone with video out over type c
I believe apple deserves an award for this
A "how did this happen" achievement medal to be precise
They could very well have said "you gotta get the lightning adapter and the lightning to hdmi adapter"
But they actually spent the money on wiring up the port properly!?!?
This is even more evidence that the a16 doesn't have 3.0
halcyon moss
Display port requires a lot. More bandwidth than usb2 right?
astral haven
By far
It can run the 25gbps (fact check pls if someone cares) pro display xdr
Thems alot of pixels
This isn't anything strange for a phone on the bandwidth side, but it's shocking that Apple did it and only put on usb2
Like if apple did 10g 3.0 and dp people would just be celebrating the usbc
But they did 480m 2.0 and dp
It's a mystery to solve 🔍
steep creek
Interesting, I thought they would have at least claimed this feature would be only available on the pro models
astral haven
Same, and I'm happy to have been pleasantly surprised
My 15p is on the way so I'll also figure out what parts of my setup are compatible with it lel
Happy that I didn't have to spend my own money on it, and I'm hoping that I won't regret spending the company money on it lel
steep creek
Haha yep would be nice not having to upgrade or buy more stuff
left grail
I believe the base 15 will be the first USB 2 phone with video out over type c
You mean USB 2.0 with USB-C? Apple really did that?
misty saffron
yes, because they'd much rather have you buy a mac and use airdrop
tough crypt
Cant wait for my saturn pro and viper v2 pro coming a week
last wing
its more likely that its because its on the old soc an was designed with lightinging in mind > they was too lazy to update the architechture to support usb3 bandwidth
still shitty of their half but its whats most probable
last wing
no why would i have?
loud ember
POV: you have an opinion in #🔌│tech in the wooting discord without the engineering diagrams, or credentials to back up your opinion
reef patrol
old marlin
why would the silicon of the 14 pro have anything more than usb 2
when that is what the phone it was designed for supported
ashen spindle
The only usb-c before that was an iPad and that likely used an external chip
Which technically they could have done again
ashen spindle
No before m series
crimson wigeon
SteamVR 2.0 beta
now there's some deckard copium
last wing
i hate when people do sarcastic shit like this, i never said i did. in the first message i literally said "probably" that wasnt me saying it was 100% true. it was me being somewhat logical about the fact all the previous soc's up to last gen have been built with lightning in mind so its would be safe to assume that thats why its usb 2.0 speeds on the 15 non pro as it still uses the previous gen soc
but hey
i guess trying to use ur brain on the internet is a dumb idea 👍
mild dome
i hate when people do sarcastic shit like this, i never said i did. in the first...
Fucking hate when you're just trying to have a conversation, you make a logical deduction based on what you do know, admitting you are just guessing, and people start jumping down your throat because you can't know for 100% certainty.
Like brah, you can respond without the sarcasm? Did you know that it's possible to not act like a passive aggressive jerk? Did it maybe cross your mind that when I said "might, maybe, perhaps, could be" that I was trying to figure something out, and tossing a suggestion out to see if others agreed?
last wing
Fucking hate when you're just trying to have a conversation, you make a logical ...
agreed, the sarcasm isnt needed at all
especially in the convo we was initally having
young pecan
Fucking hate when you're just trying to have a conversation, you make a logical ...
No no this is way too hard. The world runs off preestablished educational work and firm belief in what is already made. Attempting to make educated guesses is FOOLS work, I tell you!
Deductive reasoning!? Egad!
rough osprey
hollow vortex
wow maybe in 15 years gpus will also catch up
rough osprey
just buy highend
mild dome
Highend doesn't help when modern AAAA games are optimised like garbo, and can't even get 60FPS on a 4090
frozen ingot
yeah most AAA enjoyers are on console anyways, and that's 60fps more often than not
or even 30
pale sigil
144hz was a curse and blessing tbh
frozen ingot
yeah I set the bar at 1440p 144hz with my current monitor, can't go any lower down the line now
severe phoenix
raw zephyr
Waiting to see if blurbusters certifies another monitor
nvidia just needs to contact them.
read last paragraph
gusty kiln
Ah nice, hopefully they can work something out. But most likely nvidia just ignores them
old marlin
huawei tho
wheat plume
HarmonyOS
cursive summit
40W is now considered a "super charge"? Oh sorry, super charge TURBO
wheat plume
I'm intrigued by it
It's AOSP right?
wheat plume
40W is now considered a "super charge"? Oh sorry, super charge TURBO
Ikr.... 40w been around for a while now
Some phones do 60
young pecan
Actually has their support improved?
frozen ingot
ewawei
young pecan
I don't really care if you can flash a new OS if the phone itself is basically ewaste compared to anyone else.
young pecan
some phones do 210
Also who the fuck lmao?!
gusty kiln
gusty kiln
Been 4000 years
young pecan
How did they do that without the battery exploding really quickly?
old marlin
pro explorer
idk
my poco x4 didn't get too hot to touch with 65W
yet an iphone 15 pro does at 20
gusty kiln
They also use multiple batteries
lofty pivot
How is pulsar qc nowadays?
Depends on the mice. Their newer switches and scroll wheel fixed the previous issues
My x2v2 has been flawless personally
wheat plume
Google is killing its Podcast app in favour of YT Music
old marlin
It joins their pile of music streaming services
gusty kiln
I should use my 50gb of hotspot more
wheat plume
you got a data limit on specifically the hotspot????
gusty kiln
Yeah
wheat plume
wtf
gusty kiln
I never use it though
wheat plume
how would the carrier know?
wheat plume
I guess any DNS requests that dont get sent from the phone directly?
astral haven
There's a few main tricks https://superuser.com/questions/1070853/how-do-mobile-companies-detect-tethering.
sharp badger
New thing 🤔
gusty kiln
Ooo nice
sharp badger
That Blue Pixel 8 Pro is nice though but maybe this will suffice 😅
rough osprey
huh sell yourself
wheat plume
How do I make git CLI not ask for my username and Personal Access Token anytime I make a commit?
wheat plume
That Blue Pixel 8 Pro is nice though but maybe this will suffice 😅
There may be a free Pixel Watch 2 if you preorder the 8 Pro also
IDK what regions that applies to,or if it will actually happen
ashen spindle
you put that exact question into google and follow the github documentation on how to cache it
pale sigil
There may be a free Pixel Watch 2 if you preorder the 8 Pro also
Would rather have the earbuds
wheat plume
xd nah id happily take a free Pixel Watch
pale sigil
It isn't free
wheat plume
Ive been wanting a smartwatch for a while now
wheat plume
you put that exact question into google and follow the github documentation on h...
yeh but all the solutions involve already cloning an existing repo over SSH
pale sigil
Ive been wanting a smartwatch for a while now
Samsung
wheat plume
not when you made the repo locally and want to push it to github
pale sigil
How do I make git CLI not ask for my username and Personal Access Token anytime ...
You have to use cert now
pale sigil
no good, you need Samsung phone for most of the features to work
As a non Samsung phone user, his is incorrect.
wheat plume
hhm?
I made an SSH key and a Personal Access Token
pale sigil
I've told you this before.
wheat plume
the Token works instead of the password
pale sigil
You don't and it's overblown
wheat plume
but it asks me each time
pale sigil
Authorized_keys
You need to put it in there
Wherever your git is stored
What distro
wheat plume
git works the same no matter what OS you use... xd
wheat plume
I have ssh key
ashen spindle
or just use the git credential manager
wheat plume
git config --global credential.helper store this?? imma try it now
young pecan
This is for android?
wheat plume
im on laptop rn
young pecan
Kerboros? 
pale sigil
LanaOS
ashen spindle
idk what that command is but https://github.com/git-ecosystem/git-credential-manager/blob/main/README.md is one of the things in the first google result
young pecan
Ngl tho Kerberos is a very fun solution.
ashen spindle
idk wouldnt know we still use SVN
young pecan
I mean I wouldn't use Kerberos in deployment over like actually good LDAP with proper SSO but for at home fun it's solid.
ashen spindle
wheat plume
does Plex not let you zoom to fill the screen? or Stretch the video?
ashen spindle
Isn’t that just keeping the same aspect ratio to not have missing parts or stretched images?
pale sigil
No
It's not that
Otherwise there would be one on the right
With zoom
It's hard coded for the notch area
ashen spindle
Not really if they just use it for both, keeping notches away and keeping aspect ratio
ashen spindle
Showing different moments doesn’t really help with Figuring out if it’s just a notch preventative or also keeping the aspect ratio
pale sigil
It ain't different moments
That's at it's native aspect
Same with other content
It's literally the notch being blacked out for viewing purposes
gusty kiln
https://twitter.com/ryanshrout/status/1706700325162291697?t=DVL06gmQylqdGczT802_...
Lots of big name movements in the semiconductor sectors recently
Also welcome to intel scott
ashen spindle
Yeah, prisoner exchange going in there
Now we wait for intel gpus to die and TAP also goes to amd and they finally have good marketing maybe
pale sigil
@ashen spindle how is your monitor these days?
ashen spindle
Just as day 1
ashen spindle
Technically no because burn in would mean I could get a free replacement
pale sigil
What
ashen spindle
Burn in warranty of 3 years
pale sigil
So it's not good to hear because you'd get a free replacement otherwise xd?
Sucks to have a good monitor I see?
gusty kiln
Any smell from your 4090 yet?
ashen spindle
If it burns in after two years I could just replace it, if it’s after 4 or something else breaks I gotta pay for something new lol
gusty kiln
ashen spindle
And I want to keep this till Qned or smth is here
4090 still fine at 80% powertarget
pale sigil
4090 still fine at 80% powertarget
Set it to 110%
gusty kiln
Dewit
pale sigil
It's winter
gusty kiln
Let that 4090 rawr like it was meant to be
ashen spindle
When I upgrade cpu maybe
pale sigil
Or well winter is on its way
ashen spindle
It’s 25c today
pale sigil
I'd love a 4090 but my CPU would cry
gusty kiln
When I upgrade cpu maybe
Zen5 or zen5 x3d?
pale sigil
And my wallet
reef patrol
does Plex not let you zoom to fill the screen? or Stretch the video?
Plex is super basic and sucky in that regard.
Can't change how far ahead it skips either.
marsh glade
Kodi FTW
gusty kiln
What about jellyfin
gusty kiln
I'd love a 4090 but my CPU would cry <:havo:975821613415157860>
I'm only considering 4070/4080 or 7900xt/7900xtx
Keep it around 1000 or less
wheat plume
What about jellyfin
Id love to use Jellyfin
pale sigil
I'm only considering 4070/4080 or 7900xt/7900xtx
I have a 3080 so it would be extremely counter productive
pale sigil
What about jellyfin
I no like it
last wing
I'd love a 4090 but my CPU would cry <:havo:975821613415157860>
my 8700k with my 3090ti LOL
(i do 3d work so its fine)
gusty kiln
I no like it
Which software do you prefer
pale sigil
Which software do you prefer
Plex purely because iPad support and my watch data
But mostly the latter
If the app wasn't so shit on iPad and I could somehow move my data over multiple servers id be happy
last wing
I wish apple would stop being cowards and just allow desktop apps on ipad os
It uses the same damn chip
steep creek
Agree, I want visual studio code on ipad so bad lol
Could have replaced most of my laptop needs tbf
gusty kiln
I'm waiting for the minisforum window tablet
fickle ore
@ashen spindle Any idea why BDO runs now at 200 fps and before 300-400 fps on gtx 1060? :C
dx 11 things?
ashen spindle
I have no clue, did anything change on the game, different resolution setting, any fps lock anywhere
fickle ore
mfer
vagrant pagoda
it would weigh like 20 pounds
gusty kiln
Not the blades?
vagrant pagoda
you dont want metal blades
vagrant pagoda
plastic will do that too
gusty kiln
Kek yeah, one of those delta one
gusty kiln
Ah rip
astral haven
they dont even make a 140
Not in 12 volts
vagrant pagoda
they make the apex in non 12v?
astral haven
Apex?
vagrant pagoda
the fan we are talking about
astral haven
Kek yeah, one of those delta one
Replying to this
gusty kiln
I was just memeing
vagrant pagoda
so no chance at 200mm
gusty kiln
About metal fan blades
astral haven
Fr tho I do want one of those metal blade sunons
gusty kiln
Phantek t30 still top dog?
vagrant pagoda
Fr tho I do want one of those metal blade sunons
they have metal blade fans?
ive seen the die cast frame ones
astral haven
they have metal blade fans?
Hunh, well maybe not
I could have sworn I saw a metal colored fan frame and blade but now I can't find the pic
astral haven
Could probably fit a 13 inch screen just by removing some of the bezels
vagrant pagoda
Could probably fit a 13 inch screen just by removing some of the bezels
also only 60wh
astral haven
Meh as long as it supports usb c charging
vagrant pagoda
yeah 100w
gusty kiln
Nice
gusty kiln
Wonder what percentages are causr by those anti-ev nutcases vandalizing anything ev
gusty kiln
Ah
gusty kiln
Lots are random weird stories of people intentionally unplugging charging cars. Before the charge lock was introduced
astral haven
Yea and that won't show up here
vagrant pagoda
which dosent make sense as gas stations need internet for CC and they are rarely down
thick elk
At the very least they should put some roof over the charge stations, the chargers themselves are expensive for that not to matter much
vagrant pagoda
i couldnt imagine 50% of my fillups having a dead CC reader
vagrant pagoda
At the very least they should put some roof over the charge stations, the charge...
wouldnt help over 1/2 the failures
astral haven
Gas stations are often on better quality land, closer to civilization
gusty kiln
Yeah
vagrant pagoda
Gas stations are often on better quality land, closer to civilization
huh?>
what chargers are in no mans land?
thick elk
Even if it doesn't help with a lot of the failures it still helps
vagrant pagoda
ive never seen one that wasnt in an existing parking lot
astral haven
And were those parking lots in the middle of the city or on the outskirts?
Only tesla chargers are well placed lel
astral haven
Not cellular, and if they are cellular it's roof mounted
thick elk
In the netherlands we have Fastned and they are mostly well-placed to at least somewhere you can get food.
most I have seen at least
astral haven
Yea and here you gotta go out of your way to find them (besides tesla)
Most are more than a 5 minute drive from the highway
thick elk
The dutch ones just got a spot on the same place as highway gas stations, on the same terrain a lease for a charging station also.
making use of the existing place to take a piss / get some food.
astral haven
Ye and some gas companies are starting to claim they will be doing that here
But it hasn't happened yet
thick elk
Here it's government permits, with shell wanting to compete.
vagrant pagoda
all those location have busness internet
astral haven
ive never seen one somewhere by itself
Have you ever seen a wallmart near the middle of a town?
vagrant pagoda
Have you ever seen a wallmart near the middle of a town?
middle of town has internet
astral haven
all those location have busness internet
But not necessarily cell coverage
astral haven
middle of town has internet
And cell coverage
astral haven
Haven't heard of a charging station being wired in
thick elk
Either way when you need to have a beefy power line going there, I don't think adding fiber is such a big ask investment wise.
Make sure to place the things near existing infrastructure
astral haven
Yes and no, it is money, and you then need an mpoe and router rather than just the stations being self sufficient
thick elk
I mean if you have a large amount of downtime of expensive equipment due to network errors that is not cheap either.
astral haven
I mean if you have a large amount of downtime of expensive equipment due to netw...
Yea but that's not a cost that an exec can yeet
thick elk
Satelite communication would also be an option. It's just rather wasteful either way.
the amount of data is also not that large and it's not that latency sensitive.
astral haven
Yea but that's not a cost that an exec can yeet
Cut costs, get a raise, move companies before the consequences happen
vagrant pagoda
also i dont buy it being cell
astral haven
the amount of data is also not that large and it's not that latency sensitive.
Yep pretty sure tesla starlinks theirs
vagrant pagoda
the cell powered soda machine readers are bette than 50%
and they are smaller selfcontained units
astral haven
And where are those soda machines
vagrant pagoda
everywhere
astral haven
sigh
vagrant pagoda
in front of the same walmart not in the middle of town you are touting is bad for the chargers
astral haven
Have you seen one at the back corner of a wallmart parking lot?
The fronts of buildings often face the large street
astral haven
That happens sometimes but that's probably not where the problems happrn
vagrant pagoda
ive been to campgrounds in the moatians that had them
also a fixed cell modem should have serivce anywhere a charger is
the limit on phones is the antenna not the tower
in other news
you can pay $500 a month to message any tinder user you want without matching
astral haven
That's really cheap for spam sending depending on how many messages you are allowed to send
ashen spindle
hasty thunder
interesting... Now if those claims are true it's definitely going to give AMD a giant leap forwadd
cursive summit
I am having a hard time understanding how does it work
Is it a library?
Wrapped of sorts? Injector?
ashen spindle
cursive summit
Yes quin, I'm haivng a hard time understanding how on earth it works
"Optimization tool"... how?
Does it run in the background or something?
cursive summit
it makes it so the models can better use the hardware
Not what I'm really asking
hasty thunder
tl;dr: Olive detects what hardware is in use and optimizes the software for the hardware in use
cursive summit
Is Olive supposed to be built-in into a model?
wheat plume
Apparently the broadband company my uncle switched to do NOT LET YOU ACCESS THE ROUTER CONTROL PANEL .-.
so if you wanna change shit, you need to call their support team
ashen spindle
https://community.amd.com/t5/ai/how-to-running-optimized-automatic1111-stable-diffusion-webui-on/ba-p/625585 as an example how to use it
wheat plume
WTF IS THIS BULLSHIT?
hasty thunder
Apparently the broadband company my uncle switched to do NOT LET YOU ACCESS THE ...
uh... where is your uncle from again?
cursive summit
https://community.amd.com/t5/ai/how-to-running-optimized-automatic1111-stable-di...
Ah so you feed it a model and it spits out an optimized one
That makes more sense now
cursive summit
I wasn't sure how it works, if it's like an injector into a model or something
wheat plume
uh... where is your uncle from again?
ireland
cursive summit
But nah it's just a "converter"
hasty thunder
afaik Ireland is still part of the EU, which means he has the Router freedom
so he can use ANY router he wants
without restrictions
besides, restricting the customer not to access the web interface of a product's also illegal, even if the router's rented it's his
or at least it's in his possession for now
wheat plume
its an LTE router pulling signal from a satellite dish they installed on the house roof
hasty thunder
not being able to change the wifi password without contacting the support is already questionable anyways
wheat plume
no...they dont let you into the router
and the password is not printed on the router
and they wont give you the login details even if you ask them
hasty thunder
and they wont give you the login details even if you ask them
Gimme a pic of the router next time and i'll give you the login data to it
wheat plume
🤔
hasty thunder
but it's most likely admin admin anyways
wheat plume
the default doesnt work, people tried it on forums already with the same router
its not, I tried
wheat plume
I found a password on a forum that took a while to load and then gave an error message for wrong password/username
uh..... Gemtek
hasty thunder
guest
gemtek123
hasty thunder
oh wow, apparently they're limiting the access to it with MAC addresses
a highly illegal move
hasty thunder
tell your uncle to go to another ISP, such stuff is actually illegal in the EU
wheat plume
he cant, the only other providers are slow AF
thats why he switched in the first place
just lives in a shitty area for internet connections
wheat plume
.-.
I wanted to fucking change their DNS
cause my aunt is having issues connecting to some websites on whatever default they use
I even tried on my laptop connected to my hotspot and the sites worked but nothing connected to the router worked
hasty thunder
He has to tell them on phone to change these settings
gusty kiln
Satellite internet?
hasty thunder
basically it's nothing else than a Smartphone with a Wifi Hotspot
wheat plume
Looking up how to access the router via mac address just brings up results for logging into the router on MacOS 🤦♀️
vagrant pagoda
oh wow, apparently they're limiting the access to it with MAC addresses
wut
hasty thunder
ever heard of search result optimization?
hasty thunder
highlight it with "mac address"
wheat plume
yeah xd im doing that now
vagrant pagoda
oh its lte
wheat plume
yep
years ago, we used to have an LTE router at home, and I was able to access the router config panel
and port forward and all that shit
hasty thunder
Honestly? Just yesterday i had a Telecom idiot at my doorstep
He tried to tell me that i could get 100 Mbit/s using their VDSL to fibre cable
wheat plume
hasty thunder
i've acted interested at first and then told him: Well, you see, it WOULD be an option IF you guys would lay down the fibre cable all the way up to my house and give me 10 Gbit/s like Vodafone does
he immediately lost all words
pale sigil
Vdsl 2 could max out at 100mb couldn't it
hasty thunder
yep
hasty thunder
thing is with VDSL that it needs a good signal insulation to work properly. But phone lines rarely have that unless they're new
hasty thunder
Docsis is miles ahead of VDSL
ashen spindle
vdsl2 maxes at 200/300 down 100 up
thick elk
Our parents appartment in france had vdsl now we have a 4g based system at roughly the edge of decent reception.
pale sigil
Here most vdsl customers got faded out to 4g
There are still vdsl setups though probably
hasty thunder
nope, he definitely didn't mix VDSL and Docsis up, because Telecom doesn't use Docsis in germany while Vodafone does and for cheaper
ashen spindle
i've acted interested at first and then told him: Well, you see, it WOULD be an ...
wait you already get 10gig? jealous
pale sigil
I mean hell there's people with dial up still in America apparently
vagrant pagoda
I mean hell there's people with dial up still in America apparently <:havo:97582...
i dont think there are any dailup isp anymore
all went to 3g/4g
thick elk
Technically could go 10gbit symmetrical here but only one provider and probably more expensive and I also don't even want to bother upgrading my infrastructure.
hasty thunder
wait you already get 10gig? jealous
mostly for the server, i've limited my home network to 1 Gbit/s, which is more than enough
ashen spindle
mostly for the server, i've limited my home network to 1 Gbit/s, which is more t...
did they offer it or did you ask them and then they said it already is an option for your place
because I thought they are still on 3.0
vagrant pagoda
for actually home users
or some automation stuff?
100% there is automated stuff that uses dialup
thick elk
Dailup is borderline useless on the modern web.
hasty thunder
did they offer it or did you ask them and then they said it already is an option...
well, i mean i get 10 Gbit/s to my server in the basement, then i limit it to 1 Gbit/s and feed my home network with that
hasty thunder
the servers gets to use the full speed while everything else in the network gets 1 Gbit
ashen spindle
but the server is on the docsis connection to the outside or just inside your network?
pale sigil
hasty thunder
you don't get it... I don't use docsis at all anymore
vagrant pagoda
well, i mean i get 10 Gbit/s to my server in the basement, then i limit it to 1 ...
my server is 40g to swtich, desktop and router are 10g, and everything else is 1g. Though i might get a 2.5g poe for faster wifi