🔌│tech

[young pecan]

I mean you can literally live there.

So.

[cursive summit]

We haven't really had a proper nuclear disaster tbf

[young pecan]

I mean we did.

Hiroshima.

[old marlin]

depends on what you count as a nuclear disaster

[cursive summit]

The bomb?

[young pecan]

But y'know, people live in Hiroshima now, so ig the bomb is useless kek.

[cursive summit]

I can't think of a case where a nuclear reactor imploded uncontained

[young pecan]

That's because it hasn't happened.

[cursive summit]

Don't think that's ever happened

[solemn remnant]

hmm? happened today to me in the toilet

[cursive summit]

Again nuclear power is pretty damn safe

[young pecan]

Based.

See this is the answer. In all likelihood going to the beach without sunscreen one time is more cancer juice than almost every human alive ever sees from nuclear reactors.

They are truly overwhelmingly safe compared to all other choices.

[cursive summit]

Hold on now https://openai.com/blog/chatgpt-can-now-see-hear-and-speak

See??

[young pecan]

WOAH BOI

Visual GPT. :O

[cursive summit]

Did you not see what I tagged you with a few days ago

[young pecan]

I did not.

[cursive summit]

OpenAI has an early AGI in labs

[young pecan]

??

[cursive summit]

They achieved literal AGI apparently

Their engineers been tweeting about it

Planned release sometimes 2027 or so

[young pecan]

Well that's interesting.

That's what, a minor technological improvement away from AI sentience?

[cursive summit]

There's apparently an absolutely massive model even bigger than Gemini, if you can believe, they are also working on releasing

Before AGI one, so 2025?

[young pecan]

Not surprising.

[cursive summit]

But yeah we should see Gemini really soon

And that's a massive step

[young pecan]

Look all I'm hearing is AI AFK gamer bot.

Finally I can not grind levels in MMOs.

And y'know, it'll actually behave like a human lmao.

[cursive summit]

That is extremely likely

Gemini especially cause it's going to have a memory of like a million tokens

Which is insane

[young pecan]

Gonna be fun for sure.

[misty saffron]

they should rename to closedai

[cursive summit]

Yeah... they used to be all about open source, but honestly, I think closed is for the better

Cause AI is bordering on the level of "high danger level global scale security threat", we should not allow random people to just train their models on state of the art technology

Open models will always have a place, but certain ones should be regulated and closed

[gusty kiln]

https://x.com/Za_Raczke/status/1706277114717040721?s=20

kamila 🌸 (@Za_Raczke)

since the fun with the Pixel 8 series is basically over anyway...

here are the google store pages of the Pixel 8 and 8 Pro

(P8P 1/2)

Likes

725

Twitter · Sep 25, 2023, 11:58 AM

Basically the entire web page for the pixel 8 pro

Still 899 in the US for the pro

[cursive summit]

We got any benchmarks on G3?

[ashen spindle]

next avx10 breakdown https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bskEGP0r3hE

[astral haven]

the problem is it takes continuous investment to keep it safe

for the next 10k years

[mild dome]

300 years if you use Molton Salt Reactors. Which from what I can see would be used for new reactors

Still a long time, but way better then 10k years. At the very least it means if a future post apocalyptic civilisation finds it, it's be safish to handle

[old marlin]

why 300 years for molten salt

[mild dome]

They utilize shortbus neutrinos
"MSRs enable cheaper closed nuclear fuel cycles, because they can operate with slow neutrons. Closed fuel cycles can reduce environmental impacts: chemical separation turns long-lived actinides into reactor fuel. Discharged wastes are mostly fission products with shorter half-lives. This can reduce the needed containment to 300 years versus the tens of thousands of years needed by light-water reactor spent fuel."

[old marlin]

ah

you mean molten salt nuclear

thought you meant molten salt solar

[astral haven]

yea molten salt solar only has danger times in the weeks or even days lel

[mild dome]

Yeah sorry we were talking about nuclear billiards, and I didn't think to specify

A better explanation seems to be here
https://whatisnuclear.com/msr.html

[astral haven]

heres the crazy part tho

we actually have an incredible reactor already bombarding us with radiation

enough radiation to power the earth for a year for every day it runs

and its gonna run for the next billion years

literally just need to build a bunch of solar panels and water towers

[mild dome]

Not viable in all regions, but they should be considered first where possible. Also probably cheaper then nuclear

Funnily enough I think most of the "water towers" use a different kind of molten salt because it's too hot for water

[astral haven]

no i mean for power storage

and their viability is pretty incredible

[mild dome]

You mean punp water up, and drain down?

[astral haven]

yup

anything we get good at building becomes cheap

we just need to get good

[mild dome]

Yeah, would work well, provided the region has goodish weather and isn't too far away from the equator.

Here in Oz we been looking at making artificial hotsprings for a sort of geothermal energy. Dunno how that's going

[astral haven]

oz?

the land down under?

[empty wren]

https://wccftech.com/all-iphone-15-models-can-connect-to-ethernet-cable-with-usb-c-cable/

[astral haven]

old news

[mild dome]

https://tenor.com/view/rock-and-roll-gif-26557611

[empty wren]

Does anyone even do this is the real question

[astral haven]

i do but not with an iphone lel

[halcyon moss]

Omg it has usbc

[astral haven]

thats been the big news for the past month lel

the eu has succeeded in fixing the iphone

and its benefiting all of us

[halcyon moss]

Ok.. Phrasing was wrong.
It's usbc

[coarse cloak]

do they give you

an usb c cable

[pale sigil]

Yes

But it's USB 2

[astral haven]

or usb3 if you pay enough 🤷

[steep creek]

im just looking forwards to this now

https://www.xda-developers.com/apple-sideloading-eu-requirement/

[rough osprey]

https://twitter.com/alphacool/status/1706318006505091238?t=DSMLGC2XJa-W6ukMBIRAHg&s=19

Alphacool (@alphacool)

We have Gold Status.

See you soon!

Twitter · Sep 25, 2023, 2:41 PM

lets see how soon

[steep creek]

i wont use it much either, but its nice to have the option i suppose

[astral haven]

and i wont use it either, but only because apple isnt making phones with better cameras

[steep creek]

yea lol, i'd like to see more zoom on the cameras

[astral haven]

sony should be giving us a 48 megapixel 6x fingers crossed

and samsung is apparently going for a 50 megapixel 5x

very sad about the 10x going away, but 50mp 5x is more density than 10mp 10x

[steep creek]

yeah i read briefly about samsung introducing a new sensor for the s24 series, that might compensate a bit for the 10x going away

but ultimately would have to wait and see how it fares

[astral haven]

a new 50MP 1/2.52” sensor with 0.7µm pixels offering 5x optical zoom

still a smol boi

[steep creek]

hm, software cant only do so much as well

[astral haven]

ye
its all about the optics

[steep creek]

yep

[astral haven]

if they throw a f4 lens on there, its gonna be awful for 10x

throw a 2.8 on there and theres a chance

someone should go for it and put a f0.95 lens on a smartphone

[steep creek]

hah that would be interesting

tho given how its going, maybe they are focusing on just making clearer photos with way less zoom

[astral haven]

wdym you wanted your photos to be in focus?

[steep creek]

tho it already is pretty clear

[astral haven]

yea but thats just not really a problem...

[fickle ore]

@ashen spindle tf my 7800 xt crashed UV'd running OW at 600 fps

:F

Why does amd products always crash

[steep creek]

yeah agree on that, im just curious why they decided on this, if the rumor is true of course

[ashen spindle]

because your undervolt was unsatable

[astral haven]

hype

kinda done with samsung tbh

[fickle ore]

it was from amd software auto setting

[mossy sentinel]

Sony scrambled eggs ?

[spring walrus]

sirry for intruption but where can i see the people keyboard's build

[coarse cloak]

#1070668460905988106 #archived_wootstations

[spring walrus]

mwah

[steep creek]

last xperia i had was this, lol

[ashen spindle]

doesnt matter if its autos etting or not its still unstable and a form of out of spec

[fickle ore]

oh 😦 ty

[mossy sentinel]

Or just enable the channels from the thing on top of the server I think it’s called #channel & roles @spring walrus

[steep creek]

but i'd probably pick samsung over an xperia phone, just not a fan of how narrow it is

[astral haven]

i always case my phones, and my samsung is already slightly too wide

[steep creek]

but on the other hand, thats my only gripe with it

[mossy sentinel]

After that click all channels and all the channels should appear just click what channels you wanna see

[steep creek]

in any case i am up for switching to android next time, been on ios for so long it would be nice with a change

[spring walrus]

i did thanks

guys i have a question regarding this wire, can i buy a brandless wire because if i order from wooting it would take 2 months for it to be delivered

[mossy sentinel]

Yea ?

[fickle ore]

@ashen spindle idle w

[mossy sentinel]

Just make sure it’s not long

[astral haven]

also bin you probably should be in #archived_keebs_talk

here is more chatting about not keyboards

[spring walrus]

gotcha

[ashen spindle]

idle looking decent at least

[mossy sentinel]

How’s that holding up for you

Always wanted to try Ryzen

[astral haven]

you can also consider it as being the same width as the standard size iphone, just taller

[mossy sentinel]

I have a i9 13900k

[fickle ore]

i dont like the software bc it doesnt let me to disable performance tracking and it autotracks how many hours I nolife

I wish I could

Im also not sure whether it stays on when I close the radeon software

I hope it doesn't

[steep creek]

yea i mean it is easier to one hand than the iphone. iphone is very wide, especially with a case

[astral haven]

ive been using an iphone se for the past 2 years, about to get a 15p from work, gonna see how that goes

btw not being able to reach the top right of the phone on android can be super ok, theres always options to customize everything, I already have my notifications bound to a swipe on the right side of my screen since i cant reach it already

and you are allowed to put your apps wherever you want on the home screen lmao

[steep creek]

yea i know on some of them you can also swipe in the middle of the screen to get the settings panel down

[astral haven]

thats a launcher thing

[steep creek]

still though being able to change the launcher, lol

[astral haven]

nova launcher (which is what ive used since my lg days) has that

also i just realized ive used the exact same launcher going on 10 years now

[steep creek]

cool, i did check out the pixel when in store the other day, it had it as well

yah couple of my friends use nova launcher as well, it must be quite nice

[steep creek]

the pro?

[astral haven]

ye

non max

[steep creek]

ah that'll be interesting for you i think, lol

[astral haven]

yea i just didnt want to give up the pocket space for my work phone

[halcyon moss]

Size queen

[steep creek]

same i get the max models usually, but this time i might just go for a small one

[astral haven]

definetly would be for my personal phone

but for work? i also want it to fit in my shirt pocket if needed

also seems that the max is fragile lel

[steep creek]

i also read it has heat issues, but not sure if these are few isolated cases or an actual issue

the 15 pro and max

[astral haven]

first iphone to fail the zach durability test since the iphone 7

he did the standard bend test and the back glass cracked

[steep creek]

ah yeah that was surprising to see

the finewoven case was also really fragile, a fingernail could leave a permament mark on it

[astral haven]

that im not shocked by

my current case is pretty fragile too

looks great tho

and it also has besides changing look held up extremely well

[steep creek]

im sure it feels great too, just im not willing to pay 799 nok for such a fragile case hah

[astral haven]

https://www.amazon.com/Peak-Design-Everyday-Samsung-Galaxy/dp/B09FS6WK56

ive been very happy with my peak design case

[steep creek]

sweet

[astral haven]

adds magnets approximating magsafe to my phone too

[old marlin]

truly the peak of design

[steep creek]

actually looks really cool

[astral haven]

ty, im very very sad about the look of the s22 and s23

[steep creek]

yeah i prefer the camera design of the s21 as well, but other than that its not too bad imo

[astral haven]

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1757676-REG/peak_design_m_mc_bf_ch_1_mobile_everyday_fabric_case.html

y samsung

the 21 had such a nice bump, protective and intentional looking

[steep creek]

this cant be the same color as the s21 right? this one looks much darker to me

[astral haven]

lighting i suspect

[steep creek]

yeah probably

[hollow vortex]

gorilla glass this gorilla glass that

i have a rubber case

and a gun

[astral haven]

looks to be the same color

[hollow vortex]

is this actually protective or you like the looks

[astral haven]

both

it also adds magnets

[steep creek]

hm yeah looks the same

[astral haven]

i have a magnetic mount in my car

[hollow vortex]

rubber?

[astral haven]

around the edges yea

the back material is nylon cloth

[steep creek]

i have a spigen tough armor just out of habit, but now i dont take my phone out when running anymore

because of the watch, so i think ill look for a thinner and lighter case

[hollow vortex]

I use thick cases with all of my phones

the phone being indestructible is just too good to give up

[astral haven]

fair enough

[hollow vortex]

dropped this thing a few hundred times probably, not a thing happened

[astral haven]

so far tho ive mostly been careful outside of my house

and at home i use my phone in bed

[steep creek]

fair, it gives more assurance

[astral haven]

so worst case it falls of the bed and is only around a 3 foot drop

[hollow vortex]

one thing I want to recommend is having the phone case slightly more popped out than the glass screen

it can prevent the ground from reaching the screen

[astral haven]

i broke my s8 the one time i brought it out of its case for cleaning

[hollow vortex]

oof

[steep creek]

yeah my phone rarely leaves the pocket / backpack when outside so for me its not a big risk anymore

[hollow vortex]

back or front?

[astral haven]

thats how the peak design be

[astral haven]

both

[hollow vortex]

lmao

[astral haven]

it landed on its back and flipped over and cracked the front i think

[hollow vortex]

were you riding a bike or something?

what gave it that much momentum

[astral haven]

nope i was washing it in the bathroom

landed directly on a corner on the tile

[hollow vortex]

that is comedically unfortunate

[astral haven]

yep

ended up still using it for 6 months and the front crack was pretty small for quite a while

[hollow vortex]

swapped to a new phone or replaced?

[astral haven]

bought the s21u on release, and the cracked screen gave me an excuse to save up

very happy to have bought outright

[latent mural]

Is the wooting two and 60he functionally the same? Like same switches similar input delay and stuff like that.

[astral haven]

yes, better to ask in #archived_keebs_talk or #archived_wooting_60he

[hollow vortex]

to my knowledge yes

[astral haven]

eh if you can afford it 🤷

[hollow vortex]

I run naked

there is nothing wrong

[astral haven]

we are talking about phones klaus

[hollow vortex]

oh

I mean yeah my phone

its naked

haha

[steep creek]

phone case makes it more grippy, easier to hold imo, but plenty of people go without one

[hollow vortex]

I like the feeling of not using one

[astral haven]

that definetly depends on the phone

[hollow vortex]

true

[astral haven]

the s21 felt very grippy to hold without a case

[steep creek]

yeah my 14pm is just very uncomfortable to hold without one, the edges are sharp and its a bit slippery

[astral haven]

the s8 felt like a greased weasel

[steep creek]

lol

[crisp granite]

This is the way

[astral haven]

ew

[crisp granite]

Especially if your phone has a titanium case

And as such doesn’t need such a thing as an enbulkinator

Not like a bulky case actually does the protecting your device thing

So that’s all it actually does

Makes your device more bulky

Pointless, I know

[astral haven]

yea the new iphones can more frequently than not survive a 2 foot drop

and ive even seen some survive 6 foot drops

but thats more a testament to dropping them on flatter surfaces

glass first on a pointy rock and its gone

[coarse cloak]

i need to get one

[crisp granite]

…are people actually like that?

“Hur dur why can’t I see what you’re doing on your phone”

[steep creek]

actually happened to mine when i was out on a walk

[hollow vortex]

mat screen protectors have issues with color

[crisp granite]

WHAT IF I DON’T WANT YOU TO KNOW?

[hollow vortex]

at least used to

[astral haven]

my problem is that I really like watching videos on my phone, and its not always convenient to line up the phone perfectly

[coarse cloak]

oh thats true for me too

[astral haven]

sometimes i even just sit it flat on the table and watch at a 45 degree angle lel

[coarse cloak]

i sometimes read stuff at an angle at night even with night filter and lowest brightness

[steep creek]

yeah same, when i study i dont always sit in a way where the screen would be visible

[crisp granite]

Haha wait

Are you one of those dweebs who sets up in a Starbucks and just works on your novel or whatever for hours at a time??

[coarse cloak]

did you complete the puzzle

[crisp granite]

at least you aren’t an aspiring novelist, those are the worst sorts of people at Starbucks

[hollow vortex]

yeah we should remove people who write books

I have never seen a book be useful

[crisp granite]

Knowing Fymrin, probably did, then started another for funsies

[coarse cloak]

[crisp granite]

I only take issue with aspiring novelists who make it my problem

Same as SoundCloud rappers being like “try my mixtape”

[coarse cloak]

D:

[hollow vortex]

yeah like I am saying

[coarse cloak]

good luck
you got this

[hollow vortex]

we should kill people who read books

[crisp granite]

No we shouldn’t

[hollow vortex]

we aren't saying different things

[crisp granite]

We are

I really doubt

…

You’re disgusting

[hollow vortex]

manwha's have physical prints?

oh solo leveling

those are long strip how tf do they fit in it pages

[coarse cloak]

oh solo leveling got super popular a couple of months ago

[hollow vortex]

it took down mangadex servers down a few times when chapters dropped

[coarse cloak]

true how do they....... fit a webtoon that literally has long ass strip drawings onto a physical format

[hollow vortex]

and 8 different groups fought to translate it as fast as possible

[lofty pivot]

I didn’t even know you could buy physical manhwas

[hollow vortex]

same

[final flame]

Yea

[steep creek]

i just have ebooks out of convenience now, carrying a book for each subject to uni every day is tiresome lol

but i do prefer a physical book when i can, more pleasant to read

[astral haven]

i very much dont like physical any more, reading on a big screen is very nice

[hollow vortex]

screens are more difficult to read off of for me

[steep creek]

fairs

[coarse cloak]

thats the way

[final flame]

Solo leveling became popular again when the anime got a update

[crisp granite]

[lofty pivot]

Physical is for my fancy mancave book area, then read it on ebook version lol

[crisp granite]

…

[coarse cloak]

if I were to have physical copies of everything I read I'd have an insane library

[crisp granite]

I carry unwieldy textbooks with me

[crisp granite]

There are advantages to physical that an e book just can’t

[coarse cloak]

should be around 400~800 titles I think, kinda lost track 2 years ago

[hollow vortex]

its getting an anime?

[astral haven]

my tachyiomi refresh is now over a thousand

[steep creek]

yeahh i love the smell of it unironically, lol

[final flame]

Personally digital is the best for convenience, especially since hardcover books are becoming far less common, you don't want to damage your paperbacks

[hollow vortex]

1.5k here lol

I am a threat to md server integrity

[final flame]

Previews are out

[hollow vortex]

nvm 1952 titles

[hollow vortex]

japanese or korean?

[coarse cloak]

oh damn

[astral haven]

yea i have something like 1500 in my library, when i refresh it does a thousandish

[hollow vortex]

oh

[coarse cloak]

I lost complete track of my stuff cause I never used a tracker, and to use a tracker rn would take me hours and hours to get everything right

[ashen spindle]

https://twitter.com/sherkelman/status/1706364333444260306 amd gets good marketing now maybe???

Scott Herkelman (@sherkelman)

After seven years at AMD and launching three increasingly competitive generations of RDNA graphics architectures, I have decided to leave AMD at the end of this year.

Godspeed @amdradeon

I will miss every single one of you, fighting shoulder to shoulder in the trenches…

Twitter · Sep 25, 2023, 5:45 PM

[hollow vortex]

malsync is automatic

and tachiyomi stores data locally

[coarse cloak]

I soft dropped like 200 titles cause two aggregators websites I used to use as main ones stopped working

honestly its good that im not tracking
or id spend way too MUCH extra time on it

[hollow vortex]

fair

[astral haven]

yea and i only read 1-2 titles a night

[coarse cloak]

woah

i read whatever updates in that day, currently only using like 6 scanlation websites so i'm not reading that many titles anymore

[astral haven]

basically stopped reading manhwas and manhuas entirely

[hollow vortex]

they are generally terrible

I can see why you stopped

[coarse cloak]

manhwas aren't generally terrible, manhuas on the other hand

or maybe you were looking at genres that have too many copy cats for manhwas

[astral haven]

i like terrible
what I dislike is boring

[coarse cloak]

oh yeah I stopped reading manhuas cause they became boring for me

I never dropped terrible unless it started to bore me, so I guess same

[hollow vortex]

well that's the general population of manhwas for you

[hollow vortex]

green jade something system cultivation woman ???? system x2 god

[coarse cloak]

(Demon) Magic Emperor is one of the only manhuas that I find good but it's kinda tame right now
it updates with 3 chapters a week too so that's insanely nice
https://manhuaplus.com/manga/demon-magic-emperor01/

[coarse cloak]

LOL

[astral haven]

completely unchallenged protags, deus x machina repeatedly? yas give me more
an entire chapter of doing nothing? ew

[coarse cloak]

ok but some have interesting twists on the formula

warrants at least a couple of chapters for me, until I see that it's just bad

[astral haven]

i dont actually care
even if its the exact same story as something else ive read

as long as something actually happens every chapter ill read it

[hollow vortex]

I am the old evil scientist of the emperor but I reincarnated as a pickle??

[coarse cloak]

that reminds me of

Existence, a manhwa that had it all and then became trash

it's like another author picked up the plot and just destroyed it

in any website where people actually comment you'll see people complaining that it's just bad now

I'd say a manga/manhwa/manhua is good enough for me if I can go months without reading it (or remembering about it), then suddenly coming across it and being like oh wtf I need to catch up, and not feel like it's a waste of my time

[cursive summit]

Hm, is he that bad though?

He's a marketing guy right?

Not great at that

But he retained his spot for a long time

[fickle ore]

What did he market? @cursive summit bcuz I browse r/amd a lot and barely heard of the dude

[cursive summit]

He's Radeon team

[hollow vortex]

he might be the guy that keeps on giving wrong release dates

I will find that dude some day

[cursive summit]

He's famous for the "jebaited" meme

Where he did nothing

[ashen spindle]

hes the "jebaited" guy

the guy presenting every radeon gpu

[cursive summit]

And tried to rub in one on Nvidia

As if he did something

[fickle ore]

must be invisible

[last wing]

js is frying my brain rn

i cant get this to work and its driving me nuts

any front end devs in here wanna let me pick their brain?

[astral haven]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmQHgWNAg24
🤣 even apple couldnt fix the modems they bought from intel, they are now using a qualcomm modem

wait wtf

did they ever use their own modems?

13 and 14 were already using qualcomm

12 too

seems only 11 was intel
and it was apparently intel branded

was a pretty fkn huge waste of cash then lmao

[astral haven]

looks like they did use it for one phone gen post aquisition technically then

[steep creek]

they acquired the modem division in july of 2019. the modem is expected to be ready in 2025/2026. is it really this hard to create a modem or has qualcomn patented too much lol

[astral haven]

they used an intel modem in the 11, which released in 2019...

[vagrant pagoda]

Apple wanted the seat in 3GPP

[astral haven]

im pretty sure intel just didnt have any 5g at all
and 5g is a pretty major update

[steep creek]

im aware but after the 11 they went back to qualcomn, rumors also suggest that the next gen iphone se is delayed due to their own modem not being ready

[astral haven]

get rekt

they probably want to integrate it into the soc like qualcomm

and thats ultra hard

yea im pretty sure intel was already fighting qualcomm pre aquisition as well

qualcomm is an awful company

[steep creek]

yep makes more sense

[astral haven]

its such a disaster that they are the current leader in the wireless space

both cellular and local

[steep creek]

yah for sure, fact that samsung opts for snapdragon instead of their own in the US for this reason hah

[astral haven]

actually not any more

pixel is using a samsung modem and a samsung chip

[steep creek]

right i forgot tensor, but isnt it shifting to tsmc now?

[astral haven]

samsung electronics doesnt actually care who fabs it

its still an exynos inspired design

its just that the qualcomm cpus are better than the exynos native chips

[steep creek]

fairs that makes sense

[astral haven]

it would be shocking to see an exynos on tsmc, but its not impossible

but yea rumors saying 2025 full custom tensor on tsmc
sounds possible

[steep creek]

Interesting stuff, perhaps they will be persuaded back into Samsung now that yield rates are slowly improving. Competition is always nice

[astral haven]

🤷 who knows

its definetly not yield for going tsmc

who cares if you get half the chips if it costs 1/3 per wafer

and last i knew, samsung wafers were nearing 10k, where tsmc was working on 40k

[steep creek]

Yea this is true

Though for now I’d say tsmc is the better option

[astral haven]

yes but is it over 3x the price better?

old news

[cursive summit]

He also didn't even fully say DLSS10

More like "in the future, let's say something like DLSS10"

[astral haven]

yea

[steep creek]

in terms of cost depends i guess , likely not. performance and efficiency wise probably yeah

perhaps for some

[astral haven]

🤷

id take the price being cut in 1/3 and losing 2-5% efficiency and performance

[steep creek]

yah not a bad tradeoff, to be honest havne't looked into the specifics but if its just that i agree with you

[astral haven]

i suspect its more about samsung not caring one iota about external customers lel

[thick elk]

Rip, I found Premium Lite to be a great compromise Offering me a way to feel decent about blocking everything ad related while not caring about all the premium crap they offer. (it's not like I use their app anyway or any other feature like that.

[steep creek]

yeah could be hah

[thick elk]

Would be cool if they dumped some private keys for consoles

[cursive summit]

I hope the employee private information isn't affected

But please dump the data for the PS5 kernel 🙂

Revanced?

[coarse cloak]

works well too

[cursive summit]

Weirdo

Nah just a weirdo in general

But hey that's alright

[astral haven]

just like everyone else

[cursive summit]

What now

How can an instruction set be AI accelerated

[astral haven]

processors arent deterministic already, throwing a neural net into the branch predictor or whatever should be fine™️

[steep creek]

yap

[thick elk]

The problem killing premium Lite is not that I couldn't just block everything, but rather that I know blocking ads is just leeching off the platform.
Premium lite offered a nice middle ground for that.

[cursive summit]

Well, as long as Google doesn't get paid

I am not bothering to watch an ad, at least I can boost youtuber's algo performance somewhat

[astral haven]

this is why we cant have nice things

[thick elk]

Why as much hate as it gets youtube is still a pretty good video platform, certainly not perfect but pretty good regardless.

[steep creek]

someone i know is still subscribed to premium lite, to my knowledge he hasn't recieved such a mail. maybe its country / region specific?

[astral haven]

and its definetly by far the most useful platform as well as the most varied

[thick elk]

I just got it a few minutes before posting

so it could just be spread out over time.

[cursive summit]

Meh, but I'm still not getting youtube paid for advertising

You get: watchtime and merch sales
I get: ad free viewing and google not getting ad revenue

🤝

[astral haven]

POV you are watching the tragedy of the commons happen right in front of your eyes

[thick elk]

Pretty much

[cursive summit]

I love the new movement of plushie sales

I can't say I like every single youtuber selling shirts is something I like

[thick elk]

it's not like youtube is an easy platform to copy either, there are no good alternatives.

[cursive summit]

LTT at least sells some great useful stuff

But the new plushy movement is great, would love to buy a plushie from each of the peeps I am subscribed to

[astral haven]

google has been trying to get rid of youtube forever basically

[hollow vortex]

very overpriced

[astral haven]

overpriced compared to what?

[cursive summit]

Eh, somewhat

I have watched project farm or whatever the lad's youtube is called

Performance wise, LTT screwdrivers are really really good

So, they are "worth the money"

But not really worth buying cause why on earth would you spend 70$ on a screwdriver

[hollow vortex]

amazon lol

[astral haven]

the cheaper stuff on amazon is lower quality

[hollow vortex]

not really no

[astral haven]

and alot of the more expensive stuff on amazon is lower quality too

[cursive summit]

Do you watch anything that isn't just hacking news and podcasts

[hollow vortex]

you can very well get a nice screwdriver set for 70$

[astral haven]

[citation needed]
source i buy a bunch of stuff from both and the ltt stuff takes longer to break

[coarse cloak]

cybersecurity is love cybersecurity is life

[astral haven]

yea but not as nice as the ltt

[smoky frigate]

I may have to rely on LTE internet in a new place for a few months. any recommendations on what router to get? they are pricy

[thick elk]

I personally prefer something from an established manufacturer that is actually less expensive in europe PB Swiss for example.
That being said in practice I found the cheap ones to be good enough, and actually cheaper chinese screwdrivers are plenty reliable.

[hollow vortex]

what of ltt stuff are you talking about apart from the screwdrivers

the box cutter?

[astral haven]

clothing?

all the cheaper stuff on amazon just falls apart

[cursive summit]

5G? LTE is no 5G I assume

[hollow vortex]

yeah amazon isn't good for clothing

[astral haven]

and the screwdrivers have been objectively tested to be far better than normal stuff on amazon

[hollow vortex]

but there are stores you can just go and buy stuff from

[astral haven]

yea and they also sell low quality garbo

[hollow vortex]

60$ is a lot of money in most 3rd world countries and they sure as hell don't walk around naked

[smoky frigate]

the ISP claims 5G is available at the location. not entirely sure that's true, since it's right in the boonies. but for now, let's assume it is 5G

[thick elk]

Anyway it is well established that you pay a premium for merch, even if the end product is good it will be at a higher margin.
Screwdriver being sort of a top end product here makes it different.

[hollow vortex]

you just buy it at high prices

it isn't costy

[thick elk]

Most people who would buy the LTT screwdriver are not deciding it on it's merrit and would otherwise buy a different premium screwdriver

[astral haven]

sure but im paying $30 in the store for a garment that was made for 12c in china

[hollow vortex]

there is good chineseum and bad too, not surprising

[astral haven]

wheras if i go ltt, im paying $30 for a garment that was made for $12 in canada

[true quest]

what are they planning to sell over at ebay

[thick elk]

For clothing for me I just really don't like the idea of wearing merch / band shirts / things like that but that's just me.

[astral haven]

sure but good chinesium is unavailable

[astral haven]

ltt sells blanks

[hollow vortex]

I personally despite it

I am not a fucking billboard

[astral haven]

they use their own shirts and do their own printing

[thick elk]

Still I have nothing with them and I am quite the cheapskate when it comes to cloths for me solid color mostly black is the way to go.

[astral haven]

which is available from ltt

[hollow vortex]

same

[thick elk]

usually a trip to C&A out of lazyness

[hollow vortex]

yeah but why would I pay that much for a shirt from ltt

[astral haven]

because itll last longer

[hollow vortex]

what sort of tasks are you putting your shirts through man

[last wing]

@dawn epoch are u around by any chance?

[astral haven]

washing machine

[hollow vortex]

how does a shirt not survive the washing machine

[thick elk]

I tend to wear < € 10 shirst most of the time. they last long enough and I just throw them away when they expire, works for me.

[hollow vortex]

do you use a pressure washer or something

[astral haven]

it does the first 100 times

[steep creek]

rofl

[astral haven]

but they eventually wear out

[hollow vortex]

you are describing me events that haven't happened to me once in my lifetime even with literal trash for clothing

[last wing]

yo mind if i dm u for some help with a little js? its not that complicated but i cant for the life of me seem to understand why its not working

[hollow vortex]

wear out?

[astral haven]

lucky you

[thick elk]

Don't get me wrong I respect what LTT is doing on their merch side, it's just not for me.

[steep creek]

cant speak for ltt as ive never bought anything from them, but the clothes i buy from shopping malls usually last quite long. im happy with them

[cursive summit]

Those are kinda expensive, look into the ZTE CPE MC88, Netgear Orbi 5G

[last wing]

tyty

[cursive summit]

Do you even do js?

[thick elk]

Also from what I heard logistics wise LTT kind of sucks in europe.

[astral haven]

yea they are for NA only practically

[smoky frigate]

that's a starting point, thanks!

[astral haven]

and even then its apparently kind of a pain at the edges of canada

[hollow vortex]

I don't know man, clothing not used in wilderness "not lasting as long" is a relatively wild idea to everyone id say

unless it's like a 10$ chinese print shirt

[astral haven]

🤷 shirts only last 2-3 years before they start to get holes or tear

[cursive summit]

Just ask AI how to fix it 😄

[wheat plume]

Lol
My discover feed is very relevant all of a sudden

[hollow vortex]

how

I don't think you are operating your washing machine correctly

[astral haven]

???
i wash them every time i use them idk

[hollow vortex]

I have literally shirts from like 8 years back that I wear once a day

I have literally not once had them die in a washing machine

[astral haven]

they dont die iiiin the washing machine

they just eventually wear out

[hollow vortex]

most that that happened is the paint fading a bit

or pattern if its a shit shirt

anything half decent like shit from gap survived many years

[cursive summit]

Pretty sure Pewdiepie's Tsuki clothing brand is all-Canadian

[hollow vortex]

like do you steam blast your shirts

[astral haven]

and yea ltt is as canadian as it gets

[astral haven]

nope

[hollow vortex]

iron them?

[astral haven]

nope

[hollow vortex]

how are your shirts fading lmao

[astral haven]

the edges fray, holes appear at the seams

[hollow vortex]

that happened to me once when a cat turned a shirt of mine into a pincushion

but I can't say I have ever had holes open in my clothing except for when cats are involved

[astral haven]

again...

[hollow vortex]

I am fairly certain you are mistreating your clothing in some way

like do you have 3 shirts in total you keep cycling

how does a shirt start ripping up after 2-3 years

[astral haven]

7

[hollow vortex]

you don't have any lounge wear?

[astral haven]

No?

[smoky frigate]

so it turns out there is one mobile network ISP near the new place, offering good coverage (radio tower right across a town in a crevice, same height) and a true unlimited plan for 30bux a month

should be fine. potentially great! hope it doesn't turn out to be crap. I'm taking a plan that can be flexibly cancelled, just to be sure.

[astral haven]

do remember to check testimonials to see if folks can use it for home internet
many plans are single device only, and 30 seems really low for a plan that doesnt require workarounds

at least if you are USA

[smoky frigate]

germany. you wouldn't think it, but network-wise, we are right in the shitter. I would expect that quality of the signal highly depends on locality, but since me and the tower are both situated on buttcheeks that are right next to each other (there is a town in accompanying buttcrack, with bad coverage lol), I don't expect it could possibly be awful

maybe I jinxed it by voicing my expectation. the alternative is 6mbps DSL (lol), which is utterly laughable

[astral haven]

sure but you aint getting 30 for true ulimited in the us at all

well thats 3x the speed of the dsl available here 🤣

next cheapest ISP is $60/mo

[smoky frigate]

you have an alibi, huge country with plenty of mountains in between. we have buttcheeks masquerading as geology and fit snugly into Texas

[astral haven]

sure but i live in one of the populated areas by some descriptions

[smoky frigate]

60 bucks for snail-pace internet is pretty unreal

[astral haven]

well no its not 60 for dsl

the dsl is 40

for 60 you get 300/10

[smoky frigate]

well that's miles above anything I can get

[astral haven]

id be shocked if you couldnt get that with a proper antenna over lte

[smoky frigate]

I could theoretically get Starlink, but waiting for the ancient satellite dish to triangulate Elon's fat ass in the sky is gonna make playing games online impossible

[astral haven]

thats not how it works

but no i mean with your cellular connection

[smoky frigate]

oic. Possibly. but I'm not going to break my bank over a router, I might as well install a cable TV connection in my home for 500-1k bux and enjoy internet over that.

[astral haven]

????
if you have the option of going cable, why bother with cellular?

[smoky frigate]

I don't, it would have to be installed

[astral haven]

if you can get it installed, its an option lel

[smoky frigate]

and physically installing a cable is about as much money as some of these high-tier LTE routers

[astral haven]

at work here weve gotten 5 digit quotes for installing cable or fiber

3 digits is definetly an option imo

[smoky frigate]

I've seen it quoted a few times. but before any of that, I'll make do with mobile internet.

it might be bad, but it might also be okay. hell, I might even keep it

only one way to find out 😛

[astral haven]

my point was more that if you spend a few hundred on directional antennas, you can get lte to be the speed of cable
and saves you 5 digits in the process

[smoky frigate]

what do you think the latency in games would be like?

[astral haven]

the higher the bandwidth, the better it would be

speed.cloudflare.com has good numbers

if you see 3 digits on any of these 3 graphs, its not gonna be a perfect experience

[smoky frigate]

thanks for that site! downloaded my current results for reference

[astral haven]

gah why

3 up

[smoky frigate]

oh boy. how will anyone ever beat that. /sarcasm

[astral haven]

well thats not fantastic

its only 1 result over 150 tho

[smoky frigate]

this line is getting cancelled anyway

[astral haven]

thats the dsl?

get a better cell lel

[smoky frigate]

16 mbit, what I currently have, yup. only got it 2 months ago, minimum length of the contract is 24 months. but since the new place has only 6 mbit, they have no choice but to let me out of the contract, since they can't provide the same speed at the new place. I will just have to wrangle with their bureaucracy for a while, which is always fun. fun!

[shadow minnow]

That unloaded latency looks like something you don’t wanna show with this kinda graph ngl, the data seems to form separate islands making the mean not very useful

Ngl I wonder what may be causing that

[astral haven]

Routing, and shared lines

[shadow minnow]

Probably

[astral haven]

or possibly interference with the dsl

[smoky frigate]

it does explain why I usually get good latency, but sometimes it hangs

[astral haven]

big problem with dsl is it uses relatively low frequencies and really really long wires

read: antennas

[smoky frigate]

yuck.

dealing with the bureaucracy will be the worst aspect of it all, but I'll survive.

[astral haven]

yay

worst case you should be able to do some tethering from your cell?

[shadow minnow]

On the physics level transmitting signal wirelessly can be faster

[astral haven]

depends on the wires

[smoky frigate]

I don't have internet on my phone, both to save money and as a disciplinary measure for myself

[astral haven]

well alrighty then

[smoky frigate]

(the reason is just that with internet, I'm on my phone at all times)

[shadow minnow]

Well unless the wire is filled with air, or vacuum, not sure if anything used in wires rn has a lower refractive index than air

[astral haven]

vacuum wires exist, as well as superconducting ones

generally vacuum wires are for insane RF BS

i forget the real name of them tho

[shadow minnow]

I mean technically by definition that’s no longer a wire. But by the same technicality nor are fiber optics haha

[wheat plume]

Oooo
That's a deal

[steep creek]

Wow sweet. I love smartwatches

[wheat plume]

I wish the battery didn't suck on pixel watch 1

Is a small watch so it makes sense
And the heart rate sensors scans every second while it's on
Sooo

[steep creek]

First gen fumbles, they strangely enough decided to keep the hr sensor on all the time

Yeah aha

[wheat plume]

Yeah wtf

Why though
Idk how often a regular watch does it but it's frequent enough for me

[steep creek]

My Apple Watch does it randomly throughout the day, every five seconds I believe if you wear it while sleeping, and constantly when fitness tracking

[crisp granite]

...why get a smart watch
it's a wrist mounted cell phone

it exists to make it impossible to run away from your phone

[steep creek]

I use it more than my phone tbf, it’s quite nice leaving the phone behind just bringing the little watch

[wheat plume]

Yeah
I get the appeal of them
Can do things without the full distraction possibilities of pulling out your phone

And also health tracking
Sleep tracking etc etc

Does Android have an apple watch equivalent?

[crisp granite]

did you say BIOMETRIC DATA HARVESTING?

[wheat plume]

Ffs xd

Lol

[crisp granite]

@dawn epoch
be paranoid with me, bestie

[rough osprey]

oh no

[steep creek]

You know it, heart rate, location, wrist temperature, the whole deal 😎

[steep creek]

I’m gonna blind guess and say the galaxy watches, but don’t take my word for it

[crisp granite]

smart watches, hun

:3

[wheat plume]

You need a Samsung phone to use all the features of those :/

[rough osprey]

that makes them apple equivalent

[steep creek]

Ah really? That’s unfortunate

I’m safe then 😁

[wheat plume]

I don't trust anything Apple say about privacy

They are almost as bad as Android for data collection

[crisp granite]

you don't need to

the thing is...they at least secure their data they harvest off of you

[rough osprey]

i take it as a compliment when they wanna collect data about me :3

[steep creek]

To be honest, and I know some may disagree that’s totally acceptable. But I think the convenience a smartwatch brings me, is better than the privacy without it

[astral haven]

you hope

[ashen spindle]

you can "trust" apple in the sense they want to block everyone else so if anyone has data its only them to make better ads so they make the money

[astral haven]

the difference between apple and google is you can have zero trust for google and still use android by inspecting the install yourself, or finding someone else who has done that inspection

there is zero way to use ios without faith in apple

[wheat plume]

^

[steep creek]

Good point

[wheat plume]

Android can be as secure and private as you want it to be

Install aosp
Do not install Google Play Services

Good to go

[astral haven]

and apple can only be secure or private if you consider apple having your data to be secured and private (Like apple at least once officialy stated in their tos)
There is no way to prove that apple doesnt have a way to collect data
and in fact apple has already built a system

and you can see that and there are people who have already removed it

its just a matter of faith

are you willing to have faith or not

[coarse cloak]

peace

don't forget to hydrate guys

[wheat plume]

What topics API about?

[astral haven]

its the ad classifier

[wheat plume]

Idk why that's a problem?
It's open source

You can remove that if you want to

[astral haven]

apps can put topics in, and fetch topics from an api

[wheat plume]

It's not enforceable

[astral haven]

yep thats the difference

its see no evil hear no evil speak no evil

rather than proving no evil

[wheat plume]

How would I test my mouse input delay?

[astral haven]

record a video

[wheat plume]

And slow mo that shit?

[astral haven]

yup

[wheat plume]

Ah...

[astral haven]

thats the most reliable way right now

[coarse cloak]

have a ms clock running on the background or something

[astral haven]

prove it

[crisp granite]

just click the link and look for yourself

[steep creek]

I like both android and ios, both are cool tbf

[astral haven]

when I compile those, i get a different result from what I see in the storage of my phone

[wheat plume]

I still prefer Android
I like it's design better

Stock Android anyway

[steep creek]

When I tested pixel in store it was ridiculously smooth, I was amazed at it

[rough osprey]

no ios17

[astral haven]

like how can you possibly know that that is what is running in your phone

[rough osprey]

what are they hiding

[coarse cloak]

how can you trust app store, how can you trust google app store
it's not like you're compiling everything on your phone

did you make your own os too?

[astral haven]

with android you can

[coarse cloak]

can just say that about anything if u wanna be

yeah

[wheat plume]

You don't have to trust Google Play Store

Can get your apps from fdroid and those are all open source

Or aurora store

[coarse cloak]

i like fdroid

[wheat plume]

Same

[astral haven]

aurora isnt as open, f droid is pretty great since you can specify the repos you can trust

but aurora is alot more useable

🤷

[wheat plume]

I use Obtanium to update apps from various non play store sources

[crisp granite]

...I

I'm quite drunk

and yet too sober for this

[wheat plume]

....

So many
Too many....

[coarse cloak]

used to be relatable

now i just dont..

[wheat plume]

Best part of stock Android
Separating Media Controls from the notification area

On Xiaomi phones
The Media Controls are a notification and will never stay at the top
So anytime you get a new notification, the media notification gets pushed down further

It's so dumb

[pale sigil]

literally me

[steep creek]

I like that squiggly progress bar hah, sweet

[wheat plume]

Yeah! It's awesome

Every Android version, Google seem to mess with how the media controls look

But I like this design
Hope they keep it

[astral haven]

isnt that just an older thing?
does that still happen on 14 or even 13?

[wheat plume]

Idk
Last miui version I used was 12

[steep creek]

Yep have seen it change quite a bit over the years

[astral haven]

i think it happened to me too on 12, that was the first version my phone came with

[wheat plume]

Actually
I do want Google to change the design for the media controls

Make the buttons Material You themed

[astral haven]

oh wait no my phone came with 11

[wheat plume]

Not hard to see white outline anymore

[wheat plume]

Definitely happens 11 and below

[astral haven]

i cant wait for 14, SK s21 users already have it

come on samsung, gib

[wheat plume]

I'm hyped for stock 14

It was meant to be released 5th September

But they delayed it to 5th October

[rough osprey]

really hope samsung switches to close to stock android look at some point

[wheat plume]

I read this in the Burgerking Foot Lettuce voice.......

Nuhmbrrr fiffteen
Burgr king fut letis

[astral haven]

you still havent answered how to run this on an iphone instead of the binary blob that you have to trust from apple

[steep creek]

Thanks to V for this

[astral haven]

that at least is a defensible argument

[crisp granite]

oh hey
my AK mags are made out of that

[astral haven]

except bakelite, use nylon these days geez

[steep creek]

Mostly a joke. I study electronics not cybersecurity hah

[steep creek]

Banger

[astral haven]

but you can do that for an android
there is no evidence that that can be done for an iphone (at least one of the new uncracked ones)

im asking for evidence that that is possible to be done

??

if your only argument to the contrary is an argument to my insanity i suppose that answers that question

[rough osprey]

wake up

[astral haven]

but ad hominem never wins arguments...

[rough osprey]

wake up

[crisp granite]

we've got a city to burn

[astral haven]

wake up and smell the ashes

[crisp granite]

ah, the islander

HELLO

[astral haven]

again thats not true

i am willing to trust in a majority

for example

lets say that apple ran a majority of the worlds software development

[rough osprey]

its just some little computers with some data

doesn't matter for ma life

[astral haven]

then sure trust them, you have no choice

sure but I dont have to

I dont act on my distrust of samsung

[ashen spindle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJ7lOus1FzQ have fun

[astral haven]

keep in mind i use both samsung and iphone

and i actually trust apple more than samsung

but apple cannot be trusted

[rough osprey]

why even care

[astral haven]

because people make bs claims, and we dont need those claims to stand

i do trust that apple does

but thats not the same as being able to prove it

prove that ios isnt the wild west

the problem is you have zero insight on what the phone is running

I can right now check every process that my phone is running, how much memory it is using

down to the kernel

need to fiddle with a few settings and turn on a debug mode but its still an option

[halcyon moss]

Can you trust the kernel though

[astral haven]

I cant, but its possible in theory, and has apparently been done

if i wanted to trust the kernel, i would get a phone that lets me install my own kernel

and thats a possibility while remaining within the android ecosystem

[shadow minnow]

You can’t entirely trust your phone still tbf, microcode and hardware exploits will always haunt us

[astral haven]

sorta
if you can affect the kernel, you could in theory run your own fuzzing on the hardware to check

and im pretty sure that both ios and android are designed in a zero hardware trust manner

[shadow minnow]

I mean hardware in terms of temperature change causing an instruction to be changed, very hard to do precision needed but not impossible stuff

[astral haven]

sure but you cant run those tests on an ios phone

if you can install your own kernel, you would

[astral haven]

this is a type of fuzzing btw

[shadow minnow]

It’s always a Swiss cheese model imo.
You can add layers upon layers of security but you can’t ever guarantee the holes won’t align, you can just make it way less likely

[astral haven]

sure but again theres a big hole in the ios security model from a non apple pov

and thats that literally everything below the application layer could be replaced by apple without your knowledge

great if apple has somehow made a mechanism to compile IOS from source onto your hardware, thats a start

[astral haven]

but as far as I know, this doesnt exist

[tough crypt]

Bought my viper v2 pro today hope i like the shape more then my superlight

[mild dome]

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/25/science/nuclear-laser-fusion-nif.html

[young pecan]

IOS is properly sandboxed and doesn’t allow the user to do stuff like sudo or priv escalation and to boot has code signing on top of code signing. I wouldn’t call that a Wild West.

[astral haven]

sure but it pretty frequently allows NSO group to do that...

[young pecan]

Android does a bunch of that as well so thank fuck it’s not as bad as normal Linux. Still sideloading gives it more Wild West than IOS does.

[astral haven]

the problem is more the proof

[young pecan]

…? What does this mean in context? Little confused.

[astral haven]

you actually can make proofs about what android does

[young pecan]

We have absolutely plenty of proof for what an iPhone does, what? That’s like the entire goal of jailbreaking and reverse engineering.

People like unc0ver have well understood what’s happening deep in IOS for quite literally more than a decade.

[astral haven]

sure but its actually difficult to prove that that is what the iphone will always do

[young pecan]

And android is somehow immune to that? No.

[astral haven]

android itself is

android phones arent sure

[young pecan]

Android itself isn’t. Look at your sentence. You can’t ever prove a future.

[astral haven]

i can chose to install a copy of android that has no updates

even if connected to the internet

[young pecan]

And yet you can’t prove a future.

[astral haven]

yes i can

if i can prove that x will never change, then x will not do something that it doesnt currently do in the future

[young pecan]

No you really cannot. Nothing and nobody can prove the future preemptively. You can make educated guesses but that’s about it.

Thanks quantum mechanics.

[astral haven]

aeon thats actually not true

you only need the given i think therefore i am to be able to make truth proofs

[young pecan]

I mean if you want to be technical about it it is very true because of quantum bullshit. But if we go by phones? Also true.

[astral haven]

quantum bullshit doesnt climb steep energy gradients

and functional software is an extremely steep gradient

[young pecan]

…? Yes it does.

What?

That’s literally called entropy.

You can absolutely have quantum bullshit climb energy states. It doesn’t on average, but it does do it.

[astral haven]

the only way to climb steep gradients is to pull entropy from somewhere else and apply it

however given a bounded system, you can in fact make proofs

[young pecan]

Yep, and thanks to quantum tunnelling that’s actually possible in reality. Unfathomably unlikely but possible.

Thanks quantum bullshit.

[astral haven]

quantum tunnelling doesnt climb gradients

it bypasses gradients to directly acheive a low energy state

[young pecan]

It can go the reverse.

Quantum tunnelling isn’t a guaranteed head toward a lower energy state.

[astral haven]

sure but it doesnt stop in the middle of a steep enough gradient within the lifespan of the universe

[young pecan]

So what you’re saying is there’s a chance.

[astral haven]

just because something has a chance of existing doesnt make it true

[young pecan]

Does it by definition not make it true?

Unlikely to the extreme but still a true fact.

[astral haven]

for reasonable definitions of true? yes

[young pecan]

Pfff. We use scientific and mathematical proofs here.

Not this lame ‘probably won’t happen’.

[astral haven]

and you cant make scientific or mathematic proofs without probability

[young pecan]

Right and probability wise it’s probably not happening. But what you’re telling me is there’s a chance.

[astral haven]

at least not ones that are predictive

[astral haven]

no im not

[young pecan]

Scientifically there is a chance.

A small one, but there is.

[astral haven]

not rigorously

[crisp granite]

...oh my god can we just skip to the bit where one of you is calling the other a gypsy or weak sperm?

[young pecan]

Doesn’t matter, it can still happen.

[crisp granite]

this is going NOWHERE

[astral haven]

@crisp granite actually you are the only one wrong here, we are narrowing in on the core of the disagreement still

[young pecan]

Shhh, Debil. Arguing over the fact that quantum mechanics can make literally anything happen at any time for no reason is the best.

[astral haven]

aeon at least has a defensible position

[young pecan]

Hey it’s true. Quantum bullshit does quantum bullshit.

[astral haven]

sure

but quantum bullshit doesnt change predictions

[young pecan]

It doesn’t which is why you can make a guess on the future, not a proof on it.

Hence my original point.

[astral haven]

i will predict that i am currently not inside the sun, and will remain as such for the next 20 years

anything with lower probability than me being inside the sun within the next 20 years i will treat as untrue

[young pecan]

Which is a very good educated guess but quantum mechanics tells us that can very much change for no reason.

[astral haven]

well no

quantum mechanics says we cant be certain about that

[young pecan]

Well yes. A star could form on top of you. That’s valid with physics.

[true quest]

me begging to the stars that the sun eats earth within the next 20 years

[astral haven]

it doesnt make predictions about things changing really (at least not yet to my knowledge)

[young pecan]

Yeah kinda sorta.

[mild dome]

Aeon be like
"You can't predict everything! There is a 1/100^10^100 that a quantum whatsit causes all software everywhere to suddenly transform into spyware usable by Google!"

[young pecan]

So it makes changes on prediction when you observe it, but when you don’t you haven’t collapsed a waveform so it can really do anything it wants.

[young pecan]

So what I’m hearing is there’s a chance.

[mild dome]

Do you know what a googleplex is?

[young pecan]

I am aware and quantum bullshit makes it look like a joke.

But it could happen regardless.

[astral haven]

but making predictions that rely on that happening will not be useful to us

[young pecan]

While this is true, I am technically correct. The best kind of correct.

[mild dome]

I mean there's more of a chance that the universe just ends right now then functional spyware is produced from quantum shenanigans, but you aren't planning on dying in the next hour due to it

[astral haven]

sure but your correctitude here defining truth is a less useful definition of truth than some more useful ones

[young pecan]

Ah but technically and logically speaking it is not wrong.

[astral haven]

again that depends on your definition of wrong

[young pecan]

Say what you will but the universal laws define it is possible a Google Pixel develops Chinese spyware out of nothing.

[mild dome]

Carmon, he isn't going to admit it

[young pecan]

Admit what? I’ve become very technically correct. :D

[astral haven]

ah but the likelyhood of that is higher than me entering the sun considering a significant amount of entropy is pushing up that gradient

[young pecan]

This is very true. But as the original statement said, you cannot guarantee a future proof, you can only ever make a very good future educated guess. That was my initial argument here and I’m yet to see it disproven.

:)

[astral haven]

ah but i can guarantee it for a given level of precision

[marble grove]

idk which server to ask this so im just doing it here, should i upograde from a 2070 super to a rx6800 xt?

[young pecan]

That’s not a guarantee.

That’s a very good educated guess.

[mild dome]

For the everyman it's enough

[astral haven]

then we disagree on the definition of guarantee

[young pecan]

A guarantee is by definition a 100% chance of happening. If quantum bullshit plays even the slightest game it is not 100%.

[astral haven]

that definition of guarantee is useless because it cannot be used in reality

[mild dome]

Like as pointed it, it's more likely the Earth gets quantum tunnelled into the sun, then quantum whatsits creating usable software out of nowhere that suddenly replaces EVERY existing copy of that original

[young pecan]

Nobody even one time mentioned every copy would need be replaced and it’s not even up to developing software in the first place.

[mild dome]

Going "WeLl AhKawrLy QAtum DudEnaMIcs" doesn't make you clever

[young pecan]

Say a quantum bullshit happens and tunnels into your NAND and fucks a single bit, like a very unfortunate bitflip, this causes sudo to not have a password. Technically exploit that can be used by existing spyware.

[young pecan]

Yes. Feed the fire. >:D

Embrace your hatred.

https://tenor.com/view/good-emperor-star-wars-gif-13992246

[astral haven]

but you can build software that requires thousands of coherent simultaneous bitflips

and its actually not that hard to do

and its pretty frequently done

[young pecan]

Nowhere is it defined all of them can’t be flipped in the same picosecond.

:)

[astral haven]

execpt it is

[young pecan]

Ah but is it? The way entropy works it’s possible for a bit to flip for no reason just in the phone with no external fuckery.

[astral haven]

thats not how entropy works

[young pecan]

That’s exactly how entropy works. It’s just a measure of how evenly spread out energy is, but give it can happen in reverse, that is entropy can fall just like it can climb, it is possible for the bit to flip.

[astral haven]

wait wtf

excuse me how have you solved the problem????

[young pecan]

Lemme go find a thing.

[astral haven]

the reversal of entropy is literally the biggest problem in everything

[mild dome]

Aeon be here with his perpetual engine about to make infinite dollars

[astral haven]

the only reason we are still working on physics is to figure out how we can reverse entropy

[mild dome]

Well that and because it's cool as fuck

[astral haven]

well then its fun and not work 😛

[mild dome]

Aeon is probably gonna bring up the demon gate?

[young pecan]

Ok yeah I can’t find the specific graph I wanted without digging through a 2 hour YouTube video or 70 page scientific document but basically entropy follows a bell curve which is slightly skewed toward high entropy. It can just randomly reverse or even instantly heighten the entropic value but it’s exponentially less likely the more severe you make it.

[astral haven]

thats a misunderstanding of what entropy is

yea the demon gate is a good example

[young pecan]

I’m dumbing it down pretty hard for the sake of discord.

Fuck talking about quantum bullshit and entropy in a more refined way than quantum bullshit.

[astral haven]

yea but theres no disguising entropy reversal

if you think entropy can be reversed, you dont understand it deeply enough

[young pecan]

That mistakes what entropy fundamentally is. It can reverse but almost always doesn’t.

It’s essentially up to quantum bullshit.

[astral haven]

you are mixing up energy gradients and entropy

[young pecan]

No, I know the difference.

[mild dome]

I think he's referring to a statistical model that shows on occasion if you have a box full of gas you might on occasion see all the gas cluster in a corner effectively giving you a concentration of energy for a brief period, and therefore seemingly reversed entropy until it disperses itself again.
However you cannot get such a system to perform useful work

[young pecan]

Wait true. Entropy does have 2 primarily used definitions in physics.

Thanks scientists. -_-

[astral haven]

welllllll thats an opinion

from my understanding the information theory and the physics entropy are the same

[young pecan]

Like if we go by the thermodynamics definition it’s possible to reverse locally through quantum bullshit and quantum foam, but that’s like… I don’t actually know how big that number would be in scientific notation.

[astral haven]

im not sure what you mean by 2 definitions in physics tho

again no aeon

thats a misunderstanding of what the entropy itself is

[young pecan]

Going by which definition?

Again the thermodynamics one is the one people understand as entropy which isn’t really the whole picture.

It sorta ignores universal ‘budget’.

[astral haven]

it doesnt?

now sure people can get tripped up by the thermodynamics in an imperfect information system

[mild dome]

The universe is a closed system (at least from what we've seen), and we can see it running down

[astral haven]

then they confuse themselves about the sources of energy and presto entropy reversal

[mild dome]

One day even blackholes will fart out their last energy

[young pecan]

This is where people mistake it. We have no fucking idea if the universe is a closed system or not.

From what we can see in 3 spacial dimensions? Yes.

But we know we have more than 3 spacial dimensions and then quantum bullshit comes in and causes problems.

[astral haven]

thats the god of the gaps argument

[mild dome]

You need to work with what you can find, and sofar we have not found a source of energy outside the universe

Let alone an outside source of infinite energy

[young pecan]

We haven’t even found an edge to the universe, start there before talking outside of it.

[mild dome]

We can't see an edge because light isn't fast enough

[young pecan]

As far as we know it stops at the planck length and time but that’s only as far as we can math it.

[mild dome]

There likely isn't even an edge

[astral haven]

we can be predictive using theories where the universe is a closed system
we as of yet are unable to be predictive about the universe being an open system

[young pecan]

Right and that’s why entropy is unsolved.

[astral haven]

its as solved as orbital mechanics

[mild dome]

I will repeat carmon, this is a god of the gaps argument

[astral haven]

and the amount of unsolved it is is less than the chance of me being inside the sun within 20 years

[young pecan]

Because you can force particles into existence that appear from nothing and don’t take energy from anything we can detect. We literally just don’t have an end answer. Insofar as anyone can tell entropy is perfect when applied to the universe assuming it’s a closed system but that’s really not at all confirmed. Only guessed with math that breaks down once we try going too far.

That’s not grounds to call anything confirmed.

[astral haven]

uuuuuh citation needed big time

[mild dome]

He's talking virtual particles

These immediately annihilate, producing no net energy