🔌│tech

[old marlin]

Variable aspect ratio sounds like a worse gimmick than variable curvature

[steep creek]

Yea i was thinking about that, since currently i can run 2 windows at max in good size with my 27”

[hollow vortex]

south korea has far more resources and manufacturing

[last wing]

i wonder why...

[hollow vortex]

sea?

[steep creek]

But I don’t know how visible the black bars would be when watching a video or movie and such

[hollow vortex]

Idk man ask god why he didn't give nk national resources

[last wing]

i have 2 27" and a 24" atm

[old marlin]

Samsung just cobbles together nand flash out of seawater

[hollow vortex]

sea creates trade

[last wing]

i laughed soo uncontrolable at this

[steep creek]

Aha nice, I just have a single 27. But I want to get another monitor or one big one when I get a new bigger desk

[fickle ore]

I'd really benefit from 2nd monitor at home but work aint providing me one so they can fuck off even if it'd increase my productivity by 10-20%

[old marlin]

Also nk has large access to the sea

[rough osprey]

🤫

[hollow vortex]

its geographical position is terrible compared to sk

sk has great trading ports

[rough osprey]

everyone hates nk

[old marlin]

Prob more so than sk if you look at population

[rough osprey]

poor nk

[hollow vortex]

great tourism

[last wing]

its as if canada isnt in the same boat

[hollow vortex]

great fishing industry

[old marlin]

Those didn't come from nowhere

None of those did

[hollow vortex]

out of all of these only one nk has is fishing industry

the geographical position of sk is far more suitable for all of these than nk is

[last wing]

ive been at this for an hour id just give up

[hollow vortex]

the climate

the position

the currents

idk what you want me to say furthermore

[old marlin]

Yea i wonder why a country that locks itself away from the rest of the world has bad tourism and international trading ports

[hollow vortex]

because they had to

sk had dibs on it first

[last wing]

all i have to say is canda has all the same problems nk has but look how they turned out fine

[fickle ore]

omfg enough with the politics

[last wing]

and their people can leave the country when they want

by no means a perfect place to live but a hell of a lot better than nk

[hollow vortex]

they have a lot of resources

like, a lot

nk can't grow food or mine meaningful shit

so they fish and cope

[last wing]

yeah a country that is 65% of snow land mass

[hollow vortex]

yeah, and the fact that they can survive there is immense, russia has so much territory where no one lives that is like this climate

yet those people survive there without being able to do anything

its immense

[last wing]

yeah thats completely understandable

[rough osprey]

nk has more natural resources then sk

[last wing]

ur not going to get through to him haha

ive been at it for ages

too long infact

[rough osprey]

they seem to be too poor to extract them tho

but ye cybercrime is also a cool industry

[hollow vortex]

how

worse climate

worse geography

anything nk has sk has times more

[rough osprey]

🥴

[old marlin]

why is one of them formatted differently

[wheat plume]

Someone off the new color of the phone

Same for the 8 column too

Oh
You mean the newline after face unlock

Idk ....

[rough osprey]

So the the new shure one is allegedly a sm7b with integrated cloudlifter for $50 more

[wheat plume]

https://youtube.com/shorts/1KRJQhJkan4

Would this not cause sparks??

Or some other issues

Also
All the reviews say the mouse is 40 dollars but the website without a sale and all the third party websites selling it say it's 60

So what?

[frozen ingot]

sparks from 1.5 volts? not really

very little current as well

[ashen spindle]

60?

[wheat plume]

O.o

[cursive summit]

https://youtu.be/S_W73ouKtjU

Prolly not any lol

[thick elk]

Logitech has always had some pretty good deal on previously returned mice.

If you watched the video the sides are roughly 1mm titanium which is perfectly fine

[old marlin]

nope

tin foil is what I would recommend for it for balancing

but used to be under that a lot

[thick elk]

The current flowing through the mouse is very small, the voltage is 1.5v so no sparks.

[old marlin]

usually not even 1.5V

[wheat plume]

Oh

[thick elk]

worst case 1.6v but yea

[old marlin]

yea usually you are somewhere at 1.3-1.5v

you'd need a lot more for sparks

[thick elk]

Well not more juice higher voltage, electric fly swatters are a thing that run on batteries

[old marlin]

well yea

but they don't run 1.5V for the sparking part

[thick elk]

as for voltage possibly lower if you use a nimh one.

[old marlin]

voltage on a battery is not consistent

drops with lowered charge

[thick elk]

of course but NiMH batteries are 1.2 nominal or so

[old marlin]

1.3V iirc

which essentially just means a lot of devices can't even use a lot of the limited amount of energy they bring

[thick elk]

They work fine on almost all battery powered devices, Alkaline's are just terrible non rechargable tend to leak and modern NiMH ones have very slow self discharge rate's so that is fine.

[old marlin]

yea alkaline just sucks

either lithium non-rechargeble or lipo is the way to go

[thick elk]

If you need AA / AAA batteries NiMH is still a decent option.
Lithium rechargable ones don't have significantly more power due to needing to step down the voltage to 1.5v and are more expensive.
I am personally fine just throwing NiMH ones in everything that needs them.
Lithium non-rechargables are needlessly expensive / wasteful imo.

Unless you use them for something very low power.

Of course original context is a mouse, it makes sense there.

[wheat plume]

G305 is just way too heavy
LTT

Lol :') I wonder what they would think of my current mouse

It's got 5 6 gram weights in it that I didn't bother removing cause removing them felt too light

[rough osprey]

are the pcb connectors on those different to normal mice

[wheat plume]

https://youtu.be/Z9o1J4x0Dp8

he buys 2 Pro Max
Swaps parts one by one to check if Apple serialises the parts to the hardware

[halcyon moss]

My guess.. They do even more than last time

[wheat plume]

9:40 is where he starts the swapping of parts

before then he is taking it apart from both sides

Battery is very easy to remove due to the giant hole on the back frame to allow the wireless charging to work

so you can push it out from the back

Camera
Face ID
Battery
Display

they all stop fully functioning when replaced

True Tone disables itself
No Auto brightness
You can save photos taken with the rear flash, so that got reverted from last year

Front camera no longer works...at all

[reef patrol]

Another EU lawsuit I hear

[wheat plume]

They literally make the camera app freeze and not take photos with a replaced front camera module

Despite the rear cameras working fine

even the portrait mode

iPhone 15 Prolapse...

[ashen spindle]

??

[wheat plume]

Pro max

sounds similar

[ashen spindle]

Right, the joke you made since the first pro max ages ago

[wheat plume]

yep

lol

[cursive summit]

Ew...

Recycled jokes 🤢 Lana, how despicable

[scenic kayak]

On point, iPhones are recycled too.

[wheat plume]

exactly

[ashen spindle]

False they aren’t otherwise they would be eco friendly

[wheat plume]

the battery uses 100% recycled cobalt

[cursive summit]

I wonder who recycles it

[wheat plume]

IDK how they bound the aluminium and titanium like this for the frame

[cursive summit]

Some sort of variation of electrolysis?

[wheat plume]

Apple call it "Solid State Diffusion"

whatever TF that is

[cursive summit]

It's a thing that exists

[cursive summit]

Like, how I'd do it is prolly superheat both aluminum and titanium

Which is nuts cause titanium has hella high melting temperature

And just mash them together into a bond

And yes the "tetraprism" is just a periscope

[ashen spindle]

Put words into google, add Titianium and you know how it works

[cursive summit]

Indeed https://www.tav-vacuumfurnaces.com/blog/15/en/titanium-vacuum-diffusion-bonding

None of this is "go green" though

[thick elk]

"Solid-state diffusion bonding is a process by which two nominally flat interfaces can be joined at an elevated temperature (about 50%-90% of the absolute melting point of the parent material) using an applied pressure for a time ranging from a few minutes to a few hours."
More generalized term

[cursive summit]

Indeed, just heat that shit up and really mash them together

Impressive they can mass-produce such a thing

[thick elk]

Phone frames are small so you can do it in rather large batches

I know they are expensive phones but using titanium and a process like this does add to the cost for a rather minor gain.

[cursive summit]

Apparently 30$ or so of titanium

I do fail to see what that titanium is going to achieve

The glass cracks, screen cracks

[thick elk]

That was a guestimate of material cost, processing it has it's own cost so the final cost is more than that.

[cursive summit]

And I don't think anyone has had problems with their phone frame bending if it's metal

[thick elk]

It makes the phone a bit lighter

[cursive summit]

Apple just always manages to find ways how to do marketing

[cursive summit]

1g?

[thick elk]

Still I respect the engineering, even if it's mostly a wasted effort.

[wheat plume]

I wanna make a scam 5G blocking product and make so much money I am rich for life

[thick elk]

Just gather some uranium and make gemstones out of it and put it into a wristband, there you have it.

[wheat plume]

and they break when there is too much 5G absorbed

cause of the damage that 5G causes, yes yes OFC

LOL

to protect from 5G, just live in the backass middle of nowhere

[reef patrol]

[wheat plume]

this is great :')

[spiral gorge]

Anyone know any good wifi dongles here? I can't use ethernet atm and im scared of wifi

[wheat plume]

🤔

scared of wifi?

[spiral gorge]

yeah, last time i used it, it was really unstable

packetloss out the ass

[wheat plume]

🤔 oh hmm

[reef patrol]

Cable. Cable is good.

[spiral gorge]

atm im wired into an extension for my wifi some floors below me but its pretty unstable

[reef patrol]

Best kind of WiFi you can get.

[spiral gorge]

i wish i could

[thick elk]

Depending on the house powerline adapters could be more stable.
As for wifi adapters, pci-e based ones are generally better than usb ones and often the quality of the Access point matters more.

and location of course

[cursive summit]

I'd pick between Florida and Texas, backass of nowhere

[spiral gorge]

im currently using a powerline adapter and its running fairly ok, but on games like apex and valorant i can really notice some packetloss and fluctuating ping

which is the reaosn i want to try wifi adapters too

[shadow minnow]

Honestly I use normal wifi and it’s not bad

[thick elk]

They are a bit iffy yea. Still in general going with a pci-e based one is better than usb based ones.

[halcyon moss]

Get something with an Intel chip, and it's fine

[thick elk]

for powerline you could still look at possible optimizations, are there any other devices plugged in the same socket or near it, and so forth.

[spiral gorge]

i moved it earlier to a port by itself, same result

[spiral gorge]

for the powerline adapter or wifi adapter?

[thick elk]

Wifi adapter

[fickle ore]

https://www.datacenterdynamics.com/en/news/microsoft-cloud-hiring-to-implement-global-small-modular-reactor-and-microreactor-strategy-to-power-data-centers/

[thick elk]

in his case

[wheat plume]

Linus he getting regularly -90 rsrp
I'm getting -76... Hmm

Guess I'm just so far from a tower

[shadow minnow]

I think -76 is better

[wheat plume]

yeh it is

wait no... other way around

cause when he blocks the phone, it goes up

and thats a good thing apparently

[shadow minnow]

-109 here lmao

[wheat plume]

hhmmm

[shadow minnow]

Yes because the product was being sold as an emf blocker

So worse signal = good thing

[wheat plume]

yeh

[rough osprey]

who wants one

[thick elk]

Only if it's free, it can go on my shelve next ot the other mice.

[pale sigil]

If it's free me too

[coarse cloak]

same

[rough osprey]

its free if you give me some moneys

[cursive summit]

Please bring us more nuclear power

Best type of energy generation we have

For now

Later prolly tokamaks will make most sense?

[abstract anchor]

Hey all,

Looking for mouse/mousepad upgrade recommendations for my setup. I currently play on a logitech GPX / Steelseries QCK Heavy but the pad is worn out and the mouse clicks are starting to malfunction (Not registering clicks sometimes). I play with a low sens/3200 dpi on a 270 Hz monitor with a "claw" grip. For reference, the GPX felt a bit small for my hand since I see that my right click button grip tape is worn out from the edge of the mouse. Any recommendations? Apologies if this is the incorrect section for this.

[rough osprey]

gpx small??

uhh

[lime forge]

you should handwash your mousepad every 2-3 months gently in luke warm water in the bathtub or shower. you can use a bit of laundry detergent or dish soap and clean it with the soft side of the sponge lightly. you dont want to destroy the glide on the pad. then wash it with cold water, and leave it to airdry over night. youll get more mileage out of your pad. for mouse, you should look into vaxee mice

im currently using a vaxee mousepad atm, it might be a little to fast for me but its a good quality pad. i did read that you shouldnt wash vaxee mousepads from one of their support before, but other pads should be fine. most cloth mousepads need replacing every 12 months. i was also a qck heavy / zowie gsr user. might end up going back to it but wanted to give this pad a bit more of a trial run

[abstract anchor]

Thank you for that! I will apply it to mine hopefully it comes out with a positive result

[rough osprey]

https://twitter.com/craftedmice/status/1706058419726127261?t=shCYw-8mQDf-LGOpDwOcYQ&s=19

Craftedmice (@craftedmice)

@finalmouse Starlight 12 medium 3395 4k + Nordic 52840替换型PCB板DIY半成品,一起来看

https://t.co/CsoMlb4Lsk

Ragnarök
meowmouse

Twitter · Sep 24, 2023, 9:29 PM

finally

meowmouse

[rough osprey]

Upgrade the starlight

[astral haven]

well it does matter tho with wireless charging

sure but its not really in the zeitgist that wootings and such are incompatible with wireless charging being extremely close

tbh i doubt they think that far ahead

but logitech probably would

[vagrant pagoda]

i have qi charger next to my wooting

30w

no issues

[astral haven]

good for you
i have the 100 miliwatt logitech charging pad next to my wooting and it causes all sorts of phantom keystrokes on the right half of the keeb

[vagrant pagoda]

must be the frequency

need a alumium case for the wooting

[rough osprey]

nice shot

[digital quail]

hone ace, based mousepad

[young pecan]

Is this beating the Lian Li Air Mini yet?

[old marlin]

Fuck that hurts

Why does the pc take like 2/3 of the mousepad space

[raw zephyr]

;D lovely

[old marlin]

lol

tbh he might have a separate flat just for work

ah

fair ig

[cursive summit]

https://www.therundown.ai/p/microsoft-ai-data-leak hmmm

Didn't see this one

Single misconfigured token lead to a major data leak, and it was found by AI

[old marlin]

ai art

lol

in theory midjourney etc should have an ai that could give you the prompt?

or well, a most likely prompt

[cursive summit]

Not sure why the robot is surrounded by coom

[old marlin]

got very excited about the amount of data

[cursive summit]

And shit out some gallstones as well it seems

Dalle-3 images that I have seen pop up are hella impressive

I saw this today

Apparently Dalle-3

Manga artists in shambles

You mean creating yourself a manga with AI?

Solo leveling eh

But yeah the talk was about AI

Oki doki fymfim

Dalle3

That's kinda cute

Apparently Bing dalle also got access to Dalle3?

Bing is free so, should be able to go run prompts right now

Calm your horni

Tired on a free day?

Go to sleep

Well, my bing image generator is still running dalle2 model I presume

Gibberish

Man these are good, AI generated

Holy https://twitter.com/willdepue/status/1705677997150445941

will depue (@willdepue)

I ask DALLE-3 to generate a Pepe but each time I tell it to make it "more rare."

Likes

12088

Retweets

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Twitter · Sep 23, 2023, 8:18 PM

That whole thread is a trip

I don't need nightmare fuel

I just want my rare pepes

It's getting good now though

Did we all forget how shit dalle mini was?

And that was just 3-4 years ago

No you are 🤢

yeah yuh

AI is the future so, yes

I'd marry it if I could

If we want to stagnate in science, sure, let's not trust AI

AI is the future 🚀

r/wallstreetbets

https://tenor.com/view/wut-wait-foh-gtfoh-gtfo-gif-18904411

If anything AI is going to be exploited for consumer benefit

Not to mention to make loads of computer workers' jobs so much easier

I really dislike this weird doomposting when there is no proper argument

Like "AI will manufacture bacteria to kill us off"

Like, no?

If anything tech worship will save earth sooner

We are struggling to advance things like energy generation methods

AI can crunch the numbers so much faster than a human would and do it for us

What

If not for tech we'd all be working the fields

Factories were hella unsafe back then

No human health regulation methods

Tech made all that a commodity job, safe, done by machines with human supervision

Tech advances the world, AI is the next step in tech

Crypto has a serious purpose though

It's just been ruined by greed

Those are not mutually exclusive?

We can have major tech breakthroughs and then save the climate, tech advancing isn't just destroying the climate in some way

If anything the scientific breakthroughs that come from this will save the earth

[old marlin]

if your reason to date AI is that tech made jobs safer then you better start dating social insurance

[devout raptor]

social media is what will doom humanity

[old marlin]

doubt

[devout raptor]

already has

[old marlin]

humanity has changed less than you think

[devout raptor]

I hate it but still have to use it

[old marlin]

just look at pompeii grafitti

some really tasteful stuff

https://tenor.com/view/you-are-so-butifull-send-me-ur-vegana-pic-vegana-you-are-beautiful-beautiful-gif-18192012

[devout raptor]

but their issues have risen

or rose

wtvr

[cursive summit]

I will have to agree with rikkaus just cause of one reason

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Furry_fandom

If not for science these fucks wouldn't exist

[old marlin]

what is the difference between that and the development of the later roman empire

[old marlin]

other way around also applies

us defense system is run by furries

unironically

[devout raptor]

oh yeah i dont understand whats the deal with them but i was speaking of how mental health issues are rising and I blame social media

[cursive summit]

Tbf I was just joking

[old marlin]

it's tech savvy people with expensive hobbies

so companies like raytheon or lockheed martin emply a lot of furries

[cursive summit]

Internet is great, social media is.. good but has issues just like everything else

[old marlin]

social media really is a deceptive name

since it is barely social anymore

[devout raptor]

parasocial media

[cursive summit]

Just when you suddenly start seeing dissenting opinions people jump to conclusions that suddenly social media has made everything worse

[old marlin]

more like it yea

[cursive summit]

When those have existed since forever

[old marlin]

like mypsace or old facebook were social media

but something like twitter is mainly entirely faceless

[devout raptor]

lulz

[old marlin]

interacting with random people

that you will never meet again

[cursive summit]

Well it's the blanket term if anything

[old marlin]

yea obv

[cursive summit]

But twitter still has personalities

Or "influencers"

[old marlin]

discord is social media as well

more like it ig?

[cursive summit]

Like mr. Tate that's so beloved by Twitterinios

[old marlin]

since it actually forms social circles

[cursive summit]

Discord's a good way to show why social media is good

Twitter for some reason is a cesspool of hate

[old marlin]

I mean discord can be as well

[cursive summit]

Just cause of lack of communities I guess when it comes to twitter

[old marlin]

yea but with discord you can VERY easily choose not to be in those communities

[cursive summit]

You also have the wonderful ability of leaving them

[old marlin]

on twitter everyone is just in one big pool

[cursive summit]

With Twitter it's far harder cause you have to block people individually

Who

PDAs are cool

Nowadays it's just smartphones that replaced them

Or.. actually, smartwatches?

[old marlin]

smartphones

smartphones really are just PDAs with a phone in them

[cursive summit]

Yeah

But I think smartwatches are beginning to be more closer to the PDA concept than a phone

[old marlin]

not really

later PDAs were also for writing emails etc

[cursive summit]

Well, PDA is an assistant, a watch is supposed to assist you

[old marlin]

what

[cursive summit]

Like, I had a smartwatch like 7 years ago that could write emails or SMS

[old marlin]

they are assistants because you manage your calendar etc in them

[cursive summit]

Just the screen is so tiny on smartwatches

I think we should move away from the whole Rolex-type of a watch

[old marlin]

[cursive summit]

General circular watch face design

[cursive summit]

This but on your arm

[old marlin]

the windows CE stuff is finally dying

[cursive summit]

Kinda like a pipboy?

[old marlin]

but gets replaced by android

nah, those are for inventory stuff

aka where windows CE went after PDAs died

and windows phones died

these things

are slowly getting replaced with android

since it is a lot cheaper and more powerful

[cursive summit]

Yeah fair enough

[old marlin]

those are technically PDAs

since they run the same OS

and can do all the PDA stuff

[cursive summit]

I do think there's a good opportunity to merge smartphones and smartwatches into one

[old marlin]

but have a barcode scanner attached

[old marlin]

what

[cursive summit]

Something like this

[old marlin]

no

[cursive summit]

Make this into a smartphone

[old marlin]

please not

[cursive summit]

Why not

[old marlin]

absolutely horrible to operate

[cursive summit]

It's just an extension of smartwatch capabilities

[old marlin]

it's not a new concept

[cursive summit]

Obviously not

[old marlin]

it just has always sucked

since it is shit to operate

[cursive summit]

I think there are companies like Apple who could really give this sort of a concept a good push and make it a thing

[old marlin]

nah

[cursive summit]

Again, it'd completely replace the need for a smartphone

[old marlin]

imo HMDs have the opportunity to replace smartphones in the longer run

realistically will not happen though

[cursive summit]

Yeah I'd agree

Smart"glasses" could be cool

Actually yes even more better than smart"wrist"

[old marlin]

the apple concept seems quite cool

would try it if it wasn't stupid expensive

and apple

[cursive summit]

But the wrist concept is realistic right now

Smartglasses are a bit away

[old marlin]

it was realistic like 10 years ago

they had the same problem back then tho

[cursive summit]

I'd also argue 10 years ago the whole concept of tapping your watch all the time was hella weird

People are more accustomed to that now

I am against any kind of implants

[old marlin]

[cursive summit]

As long as they are for curing disabilities, implants are amazing

I am against human "augmentation"

[old marlin]

whatever that means

[cursive summit]

Implants are our best lead for genuinely treating some horrendous disabilities people are born with

Regaining vision, motor functions, deafness

I can't say I like the use of implants for identification and such though

[old marlin]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPhJbKBuNnA

[cursive summit]

Yeah yeah very funny

[old marlin]

neuralink is very much this

we don't know what is actually possible

and don't know how far we have actually gotten to the end goal

[cursive summit]

I see

[old marlin]

military is very different from civillian or industrial use though

for those it could be helpful to have an hmd

hololenses have seen some use in industrual workplaces

if there is a good consumer solution it could get big there

there just weren't that many fleshed out tries of that

google lens was very early

uhh

glass

not lens

if the apple thing gets popular enough

we are bound to see more affordable versions

and versions you can use more generally

than as a "desktop replacement"

[cursive summit]

Since you peeps mentioned neuralink out of nowhere

https://www.wired.com/story/elon-musk-pcrm-neuralink-monkey-deaths/

Were you aware this came out 4 days ago?

[old marlin]

nope

not following it actively

not surprising to see

[cursive summit]

I looked it up just now and saw this

Apparently quite a shitshow

[old marlin]

I mean

are you really surprised

[cursive summit]

No

[old marlin]

why would it be any more fleshed out than autopilot

I mean we are slowly getting closer

but we still don't know how much you can actually do

[cursive summit]

But now imagine what happens when AGI AI gets its hands on all our science and starts designing neural implants

Suddenly we cyberpunk

[old marlin]

US will be a hellhole

[cursive summit]

Still getting scammed by gambling

Muh eu regulations

[old marlin]

with current medical regulations

they can basically release anything

[cursive summit]

https://www.linsoul.com/products/7hz-timeless-ii

Timeless got a sequel, that's cool

[cursive summit]

https://www.eetimes.com/rocm-is-amds-no-1-priority-exec-says/

Good, that's where they are behind the most

[halcyon moss]

Marketing speak

Don't believe it

[cursive summit]

Very funni

[young pecan]

https://www.siderolabs.com/platform/saas-for-kubernetes/ Yeah so this is super awesome.

Omni + Talos + PXE + However many servers you have = theoretically infinite Kube cluster

It literally builds itself. Where tf was this months ago.

SCREW Kubespan jank deployment.

[last wing]

does anyone have any good recommendations for web deployment? which are the best (cost wise) for me to host my portfolio website on?

has to be a hosting service that allows me to upload my files to their server no wordpress stuff

[ashen spindle]

Netcup has deals quite often and works very good

[young pecan]

How in depth do you want to be? Managed or self managed?

The easy choice is probably Netcup or something like Squarespace, but you could just as easily go DigitalOcean or even Google Cloud.

[last wing]

id only really be updating it maybe a few times a year maximum

ideally just want it to be hosted where it wont randomly get deleted

and where i can use my own domain

[young pecan]

I mean if you don't really care there are simple services like Netcup or Squarespace then.

I'd use DigitalOcean or Google if you're trying to do more complex stuff with it.

[last wing]

wouldnt be able to use squarespace as i want to use all my own code and i dont think that is an option as you have to use one of their templates

i will look into the other solutions u mentioned, ty

[young pecan]

I mean if you have a decent amount of IT experience then honestly? DigitalOcean is pretty damn solid.

Just run like any decent Linux distro combined with a handful of utilities and like... caddy. That's really all you could ever possibly need if you know your way around a terminal.

[halcyon moss]

hetzner if you want cheap

[ashen spindle]

Netcup should have cheaper options than hetzner

[last wing]

ill look into both ty

im looking to deploy my portfolio for the end of the month so will research into them in the mean time

[young pecan]

There's also the ever jank choice of buying a rasPi, giving it an SSD, and just running that shit out of home.

More annoying to setup but then takes power cost, so functionally nothing for a rasPi.

[last wing]

i saw some stuff about tht but if i was going to go tht route i would just upload my code to github nd then use digital ocean or something like tht to build the code and host for free

but i dont know much about doing tbh

ive coded a bunch of stuff but never really deployed anything myself so kinda new to this 😅

[halcyon moss]

ah, then dont bring it into your house :p

[young pecan]

What files need to be uploaded btw? That never got asked.

[halcyon moss]

as that might be a huge security risk :p

[young pecan]

Ah Cloudflare.

Beautiful.

[last wing]

it just a portfolio website so just images then the html pages css js...

[young pecan]

Right and you have like programming experience? Not fully new to a terminal and such.

[last wing]

honestly not much

[young pecan]

Mm, well fortunately this exists. https://caddyserver.com/

Caddy may very well be the simplest possible way to have SSL secured stuff on the internet in an actually safe way.

Plus you can get it all setup doing file server stuff as well if you wanted to go that route. Really simple to work with as well.

[halcyon moss]

hm that looks pretty nice.
nginx is going the way of the dodo this way

[young pecan]

domain.com 
      reverse_proxy <ip>:<port>
}```

That's the entire process for doing a reverse proxy, plus it opts into SSL automagically.

[last wing]

tyty, i got it saved to look into

once i am finalising my code do u mind if i throw u a msg to help a little more if its not too much to ask of?

[young pecan]

Sure why not.

[last wing]

thank you, i greatly appreciate it

[young pecan]

I enjoy tinkering with random tech stuff anyway.

[fair gull]

netcup and simple?

[young pecan]

I meeeeean.

[fair gull]

imo you cant get more freedom than your own kvm root

[young pecan]

I might just be cynical these days but honestly netcup isn't that bad.

[fair gull]

imo netcup prob is the best price/perf in the kvm root sector

even webhosting with their bigger packages and if you need it

[young pecan]

Gotta disagree only because GKE exists.

That shit gets REALLY cheap.

[fair gull]

ok but 1. kubernetes and 2. kubernetes

[young pecan]

Why is bro hating on Kube so much.

[fair gull]

and 3. at the scale those get cheap its prob cheaper to buy onpremise equipment

not hating kubernetes just that most people dont know how to leverage it

[young pecan]

Everyone hates on Kube. Poor program is just misunderstood.

Like really misunderstood.

Doesn't so much have a learning curve as it does a learning spaghetti.

[fair gull]

i havent touched kubernetes with a 10ft pole after trying to use it

[young pecan]

I get it.

[rough python]

YES BOYS! How's it going?

[young pecan]

Until the fundamental 'clicks' it makes truly zero sense.

[fair gull]

also kubernetes is smth you should go for if youre such a big company and platform that you need to horizontally scale

[rough python]

When's my fucking keyboard getting shipped. I'm gassed

[fair gull]

id say try scaling vertically as much as possible before even trying to scale horizontally

[rough python]

GIVE IT TO ME NOW

FUCKING BASTARDS

[young pecan]

Or just for HA and redundancy.

Kube is S tier for redundancy applications.

[fair gull]

write good code so you dont need redundancy

[young pecan]

Ignore hardware failure much?

[rough python]

What the fuck you on about mate

[fair gull]

i mean in that case just tank the few minutes of downtime

[rough python]

OY YOU CUNT DONT FUCKING IGNORE ME

[fair gull]

you prob have more downtime due to some thirdparty api you use being dead for hours

[last wing]

not one of these people 🤦‍♂️

[young pecan]

Few minutes? You're certainly optimistic.

[rough python]

WHAT YOU FUCKING ON ABOUT

[young pecan]

Shhhh.

Don't say truths like this.

[rough python]

RIGHT THATS IT IVE HAD ENOUGH

EEEEEEEEEENOUGH

FIGHT ME NOW

[ashen spindle]

Are you drunk

[last wing]

are you high?

[young pecan]

Ngl tho I do quite love Kube when it's in a good platform.

[rough python]

Both 🤣😘

[young pecan]

k8s on Talos > k3s/k0s

[last wing]

@ashen spindle great minds think alike

[rough python]

Real talk what are u lot actually talking about. Sounds interesting

[young pecan]

Kubernetes.

[rough python]

Let me in on the good old chingwag boys you know what I mean

[fair gull]

maybe i just got lucky in years of running a kvm root to not have had any downtime outside of the patches for spectre back then

which was an hour or so

[young pecan]

Yeah nah that's luck.

[rough python]

LET ME IN ON THE FOCKING CHINWAG

[last wing]

I still haven't mentally recovered from the "discussion" yesterday btw

[rough python]

WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT

[young pecan]

Kubernetes.

[rough python]

ILL FIGHT ALL OF YOU RIGHT NOW

[fair gull]

what discussion

[rough python]

LETS FUCKING HAVE IT

[fair gull]

👋

go chill out for a bit

and maybe make some scrambled eggs to come down from the high

[ashen spindle]

Oh the solar panel to North Korean military

Yeah I just left after a bit lol

[last wing]

^^ tldr

[fair gull]

what the

how did a solar panel join the NK military

[steep creek]

lol

[ashen spindle]

Yeah that makes about as much sense as the discussion did

[last wing]

me and quin was discussing compute vs efficiency. which we ended up talking about electricity issues and got on to solar then some dude in the server started talking about how militarys fund countries and how we should build more nuclear reactors and burn coal over funding R&D into solar then went on to use nk as a prime example for how a country should run

[young pecan]

I mean that's not wrong.

Renewables are kinda brain dented compared to nuclear.

[fair gull]

maybe they were playing a game of spot the dictator

and it was kim himself

[last wing]

hahaha

[last wing]

solar has potential its just highly underfunded in terms of R&D

[young pecan]

No? Solar panels aren't the issue.

Storage is the issue.

[ashen spindle]

Both

[last wing]

i agree but solar is still an issue

[old marlin]

they just gave up on solar development in the west

[young pecan]

Like legit it costs more to build and replace even the best of batteries than it does to run a handful of reactors and call it a day.

[last wing]

the scale it needs to be deployed at in order to be functional is just a waste of land space atm

cos efficiency is poop

[ashen spindle]

Much more likely you can go develop better reflow batteries or some shit than you can make a reactor cheaper

Even ignoring all the risks

[last wing]

^^ was about to say the risks

[young pecan]

Ok but like... what risks?

Reactors are ridiculously safe these days.

[old marlin]

thing with a reactor is

long term you have risks

that you cannot calculate

[last wing]

just not viable in small dense populated countries 1 mistake and u taking the whole country off the map

[young pecan]

That's not how that works even slightly.

[old marlin]

what

[last wing]

over exaggeration but u get my point

[ashen spindle]

Waste storage, what if Russia comes visit and wants to have fun etc.

[old marlin]

like imo with a modern reactor immediate risks are fairly low if they hold to protocol (they didn't do that in both tchernobyl and fukushima)

[rough osprey]

no one wants to keep the end products

[young pecan]

Reactors are specifically designed to avoid pitfalls of runaway reactions. Like designed to break away from criticality, they cannot do a Chernobyl, like the core physically can't.

[old marlin]

waste is a risk you can't calculate though

since it will outlast out current civilization

[young pecan]

Class 3 waste can be stored GIGA easily.

[old marlin]

easily sure

[fair gull]

well adhering to protocol is also a risk you cant calculate... it was human error in both if i recall right

[old marlin]

but how long does it take to be realitvely safe

[young pecan]

Idk about 200 years?

[old marlin]

in both it was just negligence of protocol

[young pecan]

That's about how long it takes for the really scary shit to vanish.

[old marlin]

bruh

[last wing]

200 years is a long time

[old marlin]

ig someone on social media that just found a piece of uranium ore

and got cancer from that

[fair gull]

which was by humans not adhering to it. id personally say thats human error.

[old marlin]

so how long until it actually is safe

[old marlin]

fair

[young pecan]

sigh Dude please if you're not going to speak actual facts then just don't.

[old marlin]

[last wing]

either way i dont think nuclear is the solution

[young pecan]

Uranium is literally goddamn everywhere. I can walk 40 minutes west and find it on the floor. I kid you not.

[ashen spindle]

Fact is errors can happen just in one field it can cause gigantic issues and in the other a panel on a roof shatters

[young pecan]

Where exactly is all of the floor cancer?

[old marlin]

guy went to a lost place, found a weirdly placed rock

was uranit and got leukemia

realistically if we found a "tomb" of prerecorded history artifacts from a highly developed civilization we would dig it up

[rough osprey]

nah bc of Corsair keyboard

[young pecan]

Uhuh and if you do your math I'm sure you're aware that unprocessed ground uranium really has shit all chance of giving you actual radiation sickness unless you do something stupid like, oh idk, keep it on your person for weeks.

[last wing]

💀

[fair gull]

i eat uranium fuel rods for breakfast

[last wing]

who doesnt

need that power in the morning when coffee just isnt enough

[young pecan]

There is so much just wrong information about nuclear it's not even funny.

[rough osprey]

oh so your pfp is a photo

[old marlin]

aka literally what he did

with a random artifact he found in a lost place

[young pecan]

I mean do we actually know what that is?

Is it floor uranium?

[ashen spindle]

Sure but the main facts remain, error is possible, waste is an issue even if both are less than whatever is portrayed

[old marlin]

uraninit

[young pecan]

Ok so literally floor uranium.

[old marlin]

yes

[young pecan]

Ok so can I get a source for that? Like how long he held it for?

[old marlin]

found it in july 2017

kept it on his desk since then and played around with it

got the leukemia diagnose in january 2018

[young pecan]

OH OK

So he held it for HALF A YEAR.

HALF.

A

[old marlin]

yes

[young pecan]

YEAR.

[old marlin]

a thing that would realistically happen

[young pecan]

Bro please.

[old marlin]

if a future civilization found a nuclear waste facility

that is what uncalculatable risk is

[young pecan]

He picked up a spicy rock and ignored the radiation sickness for probably 5 months and then got cancer and died.

That's a darwin award.

[old marlin]

nah, guy still lives

not the USA

[young pecan]

Is his sperm still working?

[last wing]

i mean he could not have known what was causing it

[young pecan]

Nah you feel like shit in a very specific way.

Radiation sickness isn't one of those vague things.

[last wing]

no i mean he might have felt it but didnt know the rock was the cause

[old marlin]

no like

he knows what it is

[last wing]

ok nbm

[old marlin]

and had his flat tested

[last wing]

nvm

[young pecan]

Ok so literally a darwin award.

Kek

[last wing]

lol

[young pecan]

What a dumbass.

[last wing]

evolution at its finest right there

[young pecan]

Legit that is just evolution at work.

[old marlin]

how can you be so ignorant

[young pecan]

Sheer will?

[last wing]

not being ignorant i generally agree with what u are saying but still

[old marlin]

like you can't feel radiation

[young pecan]

Objectively wrong take but ok.

[old marlin]

if you are in a future civilization and got no clue what radiation is

[young pecan]

Radiation in high doses literally burns you.

[old marlin]

has to be VERY strong until you can "feel it"

by that point your survival chances are basically 0

[young pecan]

Also wrong. Dude please if you have no idea then don't talk.

[last wing]

i doubt a future civilization wouldnt know what radiation is and if it was a civilization that far ahead most of the danger would be gone

but i agree storing waste isnt ideal

[young pecan]

A lethal dose isn't by default the Demon Core, a lot of people assume radiation is a whole fuck of a lot more scary than it is.

[old marlin]

if you get immediate radiation burns

aka not from something like xray therapy

you are absolutely fucked

[young pecan]

This is a slight misconception. Your nuclear waste is in 3 main classes, class 1 and 2 are trivial to store, class 3 is the danger stuff.
The thing is that class 3 nuclear waste has nasty products that do a majority of that damage but they decay VERY quickly.

Remember that the shorter the halflife the more dangerous the material. This is why Fukushima was so scary, the core produced Iodine-131 which has a halflife of 8 days.

Basically your scary shit decays in a few decades.

[old marlin]

thing is even class 1 and 2 are dangerous with prolonged exposure

[young pecan]

A few hundred years for Cesium and Strontium.

[old marlin]

sure, won't kill you immediatley

[young pecan]

Yes and they're braindent to store.

Put it in a lead box.

Done.

[old marlin]

yes

that is the fucking issue

for a future civilization a lead box is like if we found a random box somewhere

[young pecan]

How so? Dig massive long hole, into lead box, chuck it in and seal it. That's at least a few hundred million years before it's a problem.

[old marlin]

literal box of pandora

[last wing]

"tin foil hat goes on" iphone 12 radiation commotion

[young pecan]

Depends on the kind of radiation, not all is made equal.

[old marlin]

you mean "dig a giant tunnelsystem into salt rock and then seal off the end"

because water seeping into it was found to be an issue

[rough osprey]

put sponges around it

[young pecan]

Y'mean that one tunnel in the US that has some radioactive test mats? Water went in and did nothing to the storage because it's metal?

Yeah?

[old marlin]

very long term

[reef patrol]

[young pecan]

Very long term those boxes will be fine for quite literally half a million years.

[rough osprey]

just shoot into the sun

[old marlin]

not if water drips on them

[young pecan]

Long before those boxes are a problem this is a solution kek.

[old marlin]

erosion is a thing

[old marlin]

we'd hope at least

[young pecan]

Eroding solid metal cylinders with groundwater?

What even?

Groundwater is strong, but it's not good at metal erosion. Not like that.

Especially with the care that goes in to harden it against said groundwater. It's not exactly an unforeseen mystery.

[old marlin]

well if you got a constant drip over a few thousand years

absolutely no issue

[young pecan]

._.

Ok steel corrodes at 0.2 microns per year.

Whatever that is translated to 3 feet.

In years.

[old marlin]

not corrodes

[young pecan]

I find myself not very concerned.

[old marlin]

errodes

[young pecan]

Corrosion is faster.

Like when you talk about metal eroding you're really talking about oxidization from water in like 99% of cases which these crates are specifically hardened against.

I'm still struggling to find the problem anywhere here. We have incredible well stored and secured storage mediums more than a km underground completely sealed in that'll happily last for half a million ish years before anything even remotely interesting happens.

Like where exactly is the problem with this? Flying in a plane is more radioactive than standing near 50 storage cylinders all containing class 3 waste.

[old marlin]

the thing is they last for half a million ish years if nothing goes wrong

[young pecan]

Oh fuck me that 4 times background radiation is really worrying when your casual 30 times from existing at cruising altitude.

Fine sure whatever.

All of them crack open.

Now we have like a few thousand times background a km down, that'll be worrying in a few million years when the earth manages to move that far.

And before you go and tell me it'll carry fragments, no because waste is mixed into metal for that reason.

At very worst you need to put a serious coordinated effort into finding traces of it.

[solemn remnant]

STOP DESTROYING THE PLANET

[young pecan]

And ok ok sure, let's address the other scary bit. Reactor explosions. We all saw the Chernobyl show, if it touches water it'll explode and destroy Minsk.

When Chernobyl exploded it was barely enough to blow the roof off, it's not destroying shit outside of that.

[old marlin]

imo reactor explosions are really only an issue in war

[young pecan]

Literally not even.

Modern reactors cannot explode.

If it overheats the fuel just melts through the floor and loses any criticality.

[old marlin]

eh, "just" blowing the roof off was enough to increase background radiation by quite a bit

[young pecan]

The floor is designed to melt before shit goes sideways.

[solemn remnant]

nuclear fuel can't melt steel beams

[old marlin]

that is if it is built correctly

I mean long term, fukushima proved to be a much safer reactor than chernobyl

[young pecan]

Ok cool so if we go by the dosage, if you stand right next to the reactor for an hour it's the same as eating 100 bananas.

Or getting 10 dental xrays.

That's taken 2 meters away from the exposed hole.

[old marlin]

yes

fukushima is a much safer reactor

it would really only be an issue if you were to attack multiple at once

[young pecan]

More importantly Chernobyml is roughly what, 60 times background radiation? Poor babies getting terrified at twice the dosage literally any pilot gets for their entire career with very marginally higher cancer rates.

[old marlin]

france got 56 for example

with that you might get a chance at increasing background radiation significantly

[young pecan]

Yeah no.

No.

That is only the case if you can manage a wide dispersal of class 2 and 3 waste. Guess what reactor cores are designed specifically to prevent?

If shit goes wrong it melts into a puddle at the bottom of a chamber and gets flooded with water.

[old marlin]

not sure if that is the case with their older ones

[young pecan]

Every single reactor in the world has been retrofitted.

All of them.

Chernobyl alone was enough. The only reason Fukushima happened in the first place is the government stepped in and stopped workers from just flooding it with salt water.

Had they done that the disaster would not have happened.

[old marlin]

they took over 2 years to fix an anti earthquake measure on their oldest one

not actually sure if they ever ended up fixing it

[young pecan]

Who's they in this context?

[old marlin]

france

with bugey

ik fukushima was a manmade problem

and could have been entirely avoidable

[ashen spindle]

So what you are saying is Designs can not prevent human interactions so stuff can still go bad?

[old marlin]

bugey is early 70s

[young pecan]

Mm not anymore.

Chernobyl was the warning shot, Fukushima was the broken leg.

[old marlin]

there always has to be a security override

[young pecan]

Now if you let a reactor run it'll just melt through the floor and turn off.

The override is literally the floor melts.

[old marlin]

not to mention that china exists 💀

[ashen spindle]

What if during construction of the override something goes unnoticed and wrong and then another piece breaks

[young pecan]

So... what if they don't install the floor?

[old marlin]

well with how the override works the whole thing would not run if it is defective

[rough osprey]

it melts the whole earth :O

[young pecan]

That's not how it works.

[old marlin]

well no security floor means it would not run

[young pecan]

Look, all modern fission reactors are designed for the floor to melt before the core goes critical and has a hard meltdown.

[old marlin]

unless they just put in the wrong floor

[young pecan]

^

That's the only possible way.

[ashen spindle]

So what if that happens

[young pecan]

Then the other failsafes take over.

Modern reactors are very specifically designed with anywhere from 6 to 12 failsafes each.

[ashen spindle]

What if something else that nobody thought about happens that happens to circumvent it all

[young pecan]

Then you destroy the reactor.

[old marlin]

uhhhh

[young pecan]

It's designed to be broken before it goes critical.

[old marlin]

actually

I don't think that many reactors globally have that security feature

[ashen spindle]

What if that design fails

[old marlin]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Core_catcher

[young pecan]

What if 6 to 12 failsaves all fail? Well you have yourself a giga edge case that can be contained with simple barriers and containment protocols.

[old marlin]

unless there is a different design than a core catcher

[ashen spindle]

Any design can fail due to oversight of something nobody thought could happen

[young pecan]

There are.

[young pecan]

Core catchers are fairly common but aren't the only way.

Generally speaking a vast majority of core dropout failsafes are just thrown in as an afterthought because they're easy to design. Make the floor melt before whatever the fission critical temp is.

Very easy.

[ashen spindle]

There will always be a non 0 chance of something going wrong though. Even if it’s low

[young pecan]

Sure and that's true, but when you need to start measuring this in cosmological chances then we have a pretty good solution.

[cursive summit]

https://wccftech.com/nvidia-predicts-dlss-10-will-offer-full-neural-rendering-interfaced-with-game-engines-for-much-better-visuals/

DLSS..10?

Where's 4 and 5

[young pecan]

4 through 9 are scary numbers.

[ashen spindle]

Ok but why take the cosmological chances if you don’t need it because you can do it all with solar and co just differently

[cursive summit]

Valve to this day hates 3

[ashen spindle]

Like we don’t need nuclear to have energy without coal and gas

[young pecan]

Because you still need to produce more stuff, more storage, it's less space efficient, less power dense, more maintenance is require4d, etc etc.

Ultimately you sidegrade the risk.

Not downgrade.

Shit more people die from changing wind turbine blades than have EVER died to actual reactors.

Then you have the other bad side effects.

[ashen spindle]

It’s still profitable so it’s not like we can only make it work by subsidies and it all has issues than can be planned for

[young pecan]

Wind turbines hurt the ecosystem more than reactors, solar farms do the same, hydro can have global effects.

[old marlin]

wind turbines have other issues

[ashen spindle]

How do solar farms hurt the ecosystem

[young pecan]

And with that sentence I can now say 'I can say the same for reactors'.

[ashen spindle]

No you can’t plan for reactor issues entirely

There is no way to remove radiation

[young pecan]

Here's a molten salt solar farm, these have to be built outside of life because they destroy life.

Any bird that dares go near it is fucked.

Any plant life is fucked.

[ashen spindle]

Ok that’s a shit system not an inherent solar panel system issue

[old marlin]

that is why they build them in places with a lot of sun and low vegetation

aka

desert

[young pecan]

Right and when humanity expands? Not looking so hot anymore.

[old marlin]

realistically humanity won't ever expand there

[young pecan]

Radiation removes radiation, that's why it's called radiation.

It radiates.

[ashen spindle]

Cmon you know what I mean

[old marlin]

there is no way to safely and quickly remove radiation

[young pecan]

What exactly do you mean? "We can't remove it from the place I'm nowhere near fast enough for me to feel safe because it's nowhere near me"?

[ashen spindle]

You can put solar panels on top of farms so it double as rain/sun protection for crops that need it there is no way to remove contaminated people or materials without permanent damage

[young pecan]

Funny, we have this thing where we can store it in an inert state several km underground.

That's removing it REALLY safely and quite quickly.

[ashen spindle]

No that’s removing the contaminated part so it doesn’t radiate to more things

[young pecan]

So we're just ignoring the fact that we can do both of these things?

[old marlin]

that's just sweeping the issue under the rug

if someone decides they wanna dig it out they can

[young pecan]

Yes, we're putting the radioactive material back underground where it came from. Like you can go dig up uranium from the ground right now.

[ashen spindle]

Putting waste elsewhere doesn’t remove radiation from where it did. the damage already

[old marlin]

concentration is entirely different

[young pecan]

Well this is just not correct whatsoever.

Do you know how much radiation compared to normal background you receive while standing outside of a reactor core? Behind the shielding?

Like 3 times?

Maybe 4?

[ashen spindle]

Im not talking about cases of where everything works as planned

Im not saying nuclear reactors that work fine are killing us

[young pecan]

Oh ok so we're allowed to cherry pick when things go badly.

You don't mind if I do as well?

[ashen spindle]

Sure

[young pecan]

Alright cool. Firstly speaking the byproduct from actually making renewables is brutal, they have a tiny lifespan and need frequent replacements which very frequently kill workers, in the case of wind farms they destroy ecologies by disrupting the wind which has knockon effects and is one of the reasons we are attempting to not build wind farms.

Then there's the lack of safe batteries that produce absolutely shitloads of nasty chem that reactors just don't make.

Then there's the reality of needing to replace said batteries every 7 years which reactors also don't have.

And I suppose finally to cap this off we would be gross to ignore the reality that literally every single example of renewables have an overwhelming amount of moving parts if you want them working well.

This is shit for maintenance and one of the key reasons workers die so often.

[ashen spindle]

All sounds solvable and can be improved upon but if Fukushima at it’s worst would’ve been dumped into the ocean that would have cause irreparable damage

[young pecan]

No it really wouldn't have.

What?

[cursive summit]

Speaking about nuclear power https://www.theregister.com/2023/09/25/microsoft_nuclear_energy_manager_job/

I guess this is for embedded systems...? Maybe

[young pecan]

You are aware the ocean is crazy big, right? Like dumping that water doesn't increase the amount of radiation to any real dangerous or concerning stage. There is the bioaccumulation of multiple elements to deal with but that is at most giving you an equal dose to a 5 year pilot if you're unlucky.

And that isn't noticably increasing cancer risk. So....

[ashen spindle]

Embedded system? No that’s for data centers to run on it lol

[cursive summit]

What does a data center have to do with nuclear power

[young pecan]

Like idk dude, the most anyone has managed to level at nuclear today is 'but my fears that're unfounded and not based in fact', that's not grounds to stop nuclear whatsoever.

[ashen spindle]

You can’t be serious that you think they are making nuclear reactors in tiny to run a casino instead of a data center lol

[young pecan]

And equally funny every single argument aside from radioactivity which is irrelevant with modern design you and Yama made can be pointed at renewables with the same brutality.

[cursive summit]

Oh we are talking about very different things

As in the manager in charge will work with Microsoft embedded systems that are in things like data centers

[young pecan]

So goddamn sick of uneducated people talking about nuclear like they know anything that isn't a news headline. -_-

[ashen spindle]

to oversee its efforts to power datacenters with nuclear reactors.

[cursive summit]

@zealous cloak knows, we lost a modern japanese reactor build due to chernobylists

Rip nuclear power in this country

[old marlin]

not saying renewables are all good either

the risk is a bit more calculatable though

[young pecan]

Bro you tried shitting on a very safe and functional system because you know nothing about it. Go read a book.

[old marlin]

what

when did I try to do that

[young pecan]

Read up like 40 minutes.

[cursive summit]

Well yes, one company deals with supplying nuclear power, Microsoft's embedded systems need to be suited for that kind of power and managing it

Is Microsoft now in nuclear power business?

[young pecan]

I hope so.

The sheer amount of lives that can be saved with nuclear over fossil fuel is incalculable.

[ashen spindle]

Just read the literal first sentence of what you post please before posting it jfc

[cursive summit]

Fuck off quin

[young pecan]

Ah a good question. Excellent.

[cursive summit]

"how do you deal with stations run in countries that dont care about safety"
I mean, Russia and China so far have a relatively good track record while not giving a fuck about safety

Russia is anything but safe, outdated reactors, lack of care, and they are pretty reliable

[young pecan]

Right so countries that don't care about safety? There is no solution, for any generation method. They'll use what's cheapest damn the consequences, it's everyone elses job to dethrone such fuckwits.

As for war zones? Fortunately reactors can be made to be destroyed before reaching criticality, and the casings can be made to withstand bombardments for such a build. Or designed underground.

Or both.

[old marlin]

if china fucks up renewable the consequences would be less sever than if china fucks up nuclear

besides the three gorges 💀

[young pecan]

Is it? If China doesn't give a fuck about the chemcial byproducts from the production of renewable then how many lives will that cost?

[cursive summit]

China talks a lot about renewable for a country that is constantly building more coal plants

[young pecan]

^

That too.

Nope.

Nuclear reactors cannot explode, period.

[old marlin]

they are by far the largest manufacturer of solar panels

they have the three gorges dam

[young pecan]

The gist for why is because a reactor is designed to release energy slowly, whereas a nuclear bomb is designed to release it quickly.

[old marlin]

they have the second most nuclear plants in the world

[cursive summit]

And continue to build coal plants

Very fun

[young pecan]

You also have the fact that reactors use different fuel. Bombs use enriched Uranium 235 whereas reactors use Uranium 238.

[cursive summit]

Cause of absolute user negligence?

[old marlin]

not comparable to a nuclear bomb

[young pecan]

Chernobyl was the one example of a plant that exploded and it didn't 'explode' like a nuke does.

You cannot expode a reactor the same way you explode a nuke, it's not possible.

[cursive summit]

The reactor wasn't at fault when it comes to chernobyl disaster, it was the people that ran the thing

[young pecan]

^

If Chernobyl was handled correctly then it was actually a fine reactor. Substandard but not broken.

[cursive summit]

I don't remember a single disaster that was just caused by a reliability failure

There was one in france maybe a fuck ton long time ago?

[young pecan]

Nope. Only 2 disasters so far.

France had a meltdown get stopped by a failsafe.

[cursive summit]

Japanese fukushima flooded so that's that

[young pecan]

Good point. The answer there is encasing the reactor core with strong materials and digging it into the ground.

[cursive summit]

Chernobyl was user negligence

There was another one in russia I think but that was contained

[young pecan]

I know that one, yeah.

Stopped by a failsafe and contained.

[cursive summit]

Nuclear reactors are, all things considered, really safe

Pretty well established science

That's not really how that works

[young pecan]

This is digging into fringe cases a bit, but sure. Worst case scenario you may see marginally higher cancer rates in the area if people don't evacuate, but this isn't really a thing that happens since you can simply melt the entire reactor into the floor when the building is breached.

[cursive summit]

Tritium or whatever by itself isn't just going to explode

Neither is depleted uranium

[young pecan]

Bro means taking a bomb into the reactor and det there.

Like I suppose so, but there's a whole shitload of ways to stop something like that.

[cursive summit]

Well if you explode the reactor itself then yeah if failsafes don't shut it down, it can melt down

But not the materials storage

[young pecan]

^ This as well.

[cursive summit]

But then again you can explode a load of things

[young pecan]

Class 3 material is the only stuff you'd be scared of leaving the building and not enough is stored on site to cause serious problems.

[cursive summit]

Dams, power plants and whatever

If anything exploding a dam is far worse in some cases than a power plant

[young pecan]

Oh easily so.

Nah. Not that big.

[old marlin]

I mean most dangerous power plant easily is the three gorges dam

by far

[cursive summit]

Ew

How do these people even breathe

Well, they don't

[old marlin]

that is the trick

that is with 51 reactors btw

[young pecan]

So this is the deposition map for Fukushima, it looks a fuck of a lot scarier than it is. You'd get more cancer in like red and orange zones, which is shit all and a lot less than 100km.

[old marlin]

yea fukushima is comparably safe