not like it would ever even matter
the mic is a waste on any streaming platform
#๐โtech
final flame
young pecan
Bad take lmao.
vagrant pagoda
not like it would ever even matter
the mic is a waste on any streaming platform
i mean
a ok mic is always good
young pecan
Those dudes are still using Firewire for modern shit that costs 8 grand.
vagrant pagoda
i have so many friends with shitty headset mics
and i cant hear shit over thier pc/kb/fan
thorny mirage
Maybe they should put the mic at their mouth instead of blowing their fan into it
young pecan
Maybe they should put the mic at their mouth instead of blowing their fan into i...
All that does it make you hear mouth breathing.
final flame
Any mic no matter how much you pay can be made to sound shit
vagrant pagoda
i mean
final flame
Positioning is key, and settings
young pecan
Inversely there is only so good you can force this to sound.
vagrant pagoda
and it sounds better than any headset ive ever heard
no settings done to it
no drivers
plug in usb and go
vagrant pagoda
yerah
thorny mirage
Without xlr at least
final flame
Inversely there is only so good you can force this to sound.
Inverserely you can only make a mic sound so good when the limiting factor is the platform you're broadcasting to
vagrant pagoda
a good mic isnt that much
vagrant pagoda
Inverserely you can only make a mic sound so good when the limiting factor is th...
i mean
thorny mirage
The connector is so flakey it's actually unusable
young pecan
Inverserely you can only make a mic sound so good when the limiting factor is th...
Buddy, you can pay 200 on a mic and get actively far nicer sound than you're ever getting from TelecomScam headset mic. Even on Discord.
final flame
I never said that a high quality mic is bad, I said its a waste of money when all you're doing is twitch
Spend your money elsewhere that will improve your stream in better ways
mild dome
Why's blue yeti shit? Wasn't it considered the mic to have like 10 years ago? They grt left behind or were they always shit and people's Didn't know
astral haven
waste of money? debatable
but it does in fact objectively improve
vagrant pagoda
yeah
rough osprey
ofc same higher end stuff is gonna stay the same (c800g is still popular or?) but updating a low - midrange mic like this one wouldn't hurt
vagrant pagoda
high end or even mid end usb mics are good for 90% of streraming though
young pecan
Spend your money elsewhere that will improve your stream in better ways
Marketplace buy a Rode NT-USB for $60, that's going to make you a LOT more attractive to people to listen to than a vast majority of other things. Voice > Almost everything for a noob.
Only a camera is equal and that can be yolod with vtubing.
final flame
The average dynamic xlr mic will work perfectly for streaming
vagrant pagoda
xlr is a ton of work that isnt needed
final flame
xm 8500 from behringer is a great mic for only 25 bucks
vagrant pagoda
a good cardioid condesner usb mic isnt a ton
?
most good usb mics have headphone out
astral haven
Why's blue yeti shit? Wasn't it considered the mic to have like 10 years ago? Th...
its just expensive and not particularly amazing
its rather similar to a samson q2u or at2100x in terms of raw quality
vagrant pagoda
mine is only mic out
young pecan
xlr is a ton of work that isnt needed
Bad take. Interface and mic are combined like a hundred.
final flame
A audio interface is not only simpler to use, its also upgradable, you get realtime monitoring and also gain control which many USB mics don't have
young pecan
A audio interface is not only simpler to use, its also upgradable, you get realt...
This.
Realtime monitoring is such a good QOL feature.
vagrant pagoda
A audio interface is not only simpler to use, its also upgradable, you get realt...
my usb has monitoring
and gain
final flame
Not all mics will have it
rough osprey
Realtime monitoring is such a good QOL feature.
its freaky
young pecan
its freaky
Especially on the first time you hear proper realtime. It's insane.
astral haven
except you will get worse quality out of spending 100 on a separate mic and interface vs a usb native mic
final flame
Being able to control gain is a must for a condenser mic, since condensers are so sensitive
young pecan
except you will get worse quality out of spending 100 on a separate mic and inte...
Upgrade path > Shitty USB mic that can't be upgraded
vagrant pagoda
Being able to control gain is a must for a condenser mic, since condensers are s...
old ones sure
astral haven
except the good usb mics also have xlr
vagrant pagoda
modern large diaframs have crazy range
astral haven
q2u, at2100x
vagrant pagoda
more than human vocal
astral haven
both are very nice, under 100, and you can add an interface later if you want
young pecan
except the good usb mics also have xlr
Which ones for less money than an XLR mic bundle? I can buy a full AT2020 plus arm plus interface plus cables new from Mwave for like $140.
astral haven
read what i type aeon
vagrant pagoda
at2100x is like 70 bucks
rough osprey
spending more on the arm then on the mic is the way to go tbh
young pecan
Yeah but why get a shitty USB mic when you can just get a bundle?
Same price if you shop for good ones.
young pecan
You're using USD, yeah?
astral haven
ye
coarse cloak
im using atr2100x rn
young pecan
Alright.
vagrant pagoda
also they are BOTH xlr mics too
coarse cloak
just need to get noctua fans and ill be golden
my new pc has shitty loud fans
astral haven
yep
vagrant pagoda
at2020 is 100 msrp
coarse cloak
80 on amazon tho
if you find it
young pecan
at2020 is 100 msrp
Welcome to bundle deals.
astral haven
AT2020, Scarlett Solo Gen2, mic stand, cable. $120 AUD.
ok so linkaroo
vagrant pagoda
Welcome to bundle deals.
for a fake one sure
young pecan
ok so linkaroo
Can't without maybe wayback? Mwave does really good black friday deals.
astral haven
-_-
young pecan
Like to be clear it's when they're at the cheapest they sell.
young pecan
Every single year for the entire founding of mwave. :D
They have a fun business model.
astral haven
obviously the usb mics are also gonna have crazy deals lmao
young pecan
Surprisingly not.
astral haven
prove it
vagrant pagoda
my buddy selling me a neumann for 5 bucks and a handy isnt the market price
young pecan
They sell for cheap usually so they don't bother discounting stuff.
Like you get 25% off.
astral haven
again prove it lel
astral haven
show that you can get the combo for cheaper than the usb
young pecan
Time for time? You can't. But we're still talking usually spend like 80 USD on a reasonable one versus wait for black friday and spend your 80 USD on an actually good bundle.
If you already have that much to spend then why not.
astral haven
but you aint gonna be getting a combo for 80
vagrant pagoda
also at 100 usb
astral haven
and the q2u is 70
vagrant pagoda
id have a sm58 every day over a at2020
young pecan
Oh for like shitty awful ones you can. Then again shitty awful XLR > Almost all USB.
I didn't include low end garbage.
Scarlett is what the standard should be for interfaces.
young pecan
Depends on the gen.
astral haven
like maybe its ok on mac, but its actually driver hell
young pecan
Bruh please. Everything that isn't RME is driver hell.
astral haven
motu is far more goated, tho they do have some usb issues, fortunately they dont always need usb
my motu doesnt use drivers at all
astral haven
it does all the processing internally, and my computer just receives a fully processed line in
young pecan
A Motu M2?
young pecan
Bruh literally a grand for a DSP box. 
Compare a 2i2 against an LP32?
Talk Clarett or an RME model and get shit on.
astral haven
๐คท different uses, but the driver situation on scarlett was not good
young pecan
Sure but if you're comparing for a grand on an interface thenn you can't ignore RME which shits on quite literally everyone for drivers.
astral haven
๐คท ok but your option was scarlett
and id say that samsons and ATs drivers are pretty fantastic for their usb devices
young pecan
And then you whip out a thousand dollar DSP box? Move the posts and I'll match you.
astral haven
look fam
im not gonna claim that the m2 is the holy trinity because i dont own one
young pecan
The LP32 is a grand, lad.
astral haven
its not
young pecan
M2 is like 300.
astral haven
also the lp32 is what i own
pale sigil
Xiaomi pad 6 pro is so pretty
pale sigil
Can't believe they made a 14" lol
astral haven
the only good thing about it is the case is pretty
young pecan
Ah. Hence the price.
rough osprey
can u even trust audio equipment that doesn't have rack mounts ๐ค
astral haven
the lp32 comes with rackmounts
astral haven
anyways point is the built in usb interface on the samson and audio technica usb mics is better than the scarlett you proposed
and its cheaper
why get the scarlett?
young pecan
To be honest why ever buy a Motu LP32 when this is real? https://www.rme-audio.de/babyface-pro-fs.html
Babyface is nuts.
rough osprey
the lp32 comes with rackmounts
9.5 doesn't count
young pecan
You are aware the Babyface is also a mixer, right? Interface and Mixer isn't mutually exclusive.
astral haven
the babyface is incapable of being a mixer on its own
young pecan
No you just use TotalMix which everyone loves.
astral haven
oh wait this is a different babyface
astral haven
To be honest why ever buy a Motu LP32 when this is real? https://www.rme-audio.d...
this doesnt have enough toslink ports
i needed a minimum of 3 toslink inputs
astral haven
cause i had 3 sources to mix?
and i chose to switch to pure digital after bssing around with an analog mixer for a while
young pecan
Yeah that's valid.
astral haven
hdmi to toslink boxes are basically free
and basically everything supports hdmi out
my computer also natively has toslink, and that was basically it
last thing i got was a bluetooth receiver with a toslink output and i was set
young pecan
Yeah that's fair.
astral haven
there arent really any good digital standards besides toslink
at least not under a grand
im not fkn going dante lmao
young pecan
Take sources from anything anywhere in the building across a server and be able to apply literally any VST to anything with no latency?
Across standard ethernet.
astral haven
ok what can it do that avb and dante cant?
astral haven
uh im not finding that cheap as fuck equipment
young pecan
Yes it runs over ethernet.
If you can get it on something with ethernet then it works.
Waves -> Soundgrid
All over ethernet.
astral haven
i can find nothing from waves that explains the tech
and they always are claiming .8ms everywhere
thats 800x slower than avb can go
young pecan
For the exchange of being cheap as all fuck? Hell yes.
astral haven
but it isnt cheaper than avb from what i can find?
its also subscription based and doesnt seem to be following a standard, at least they dont claim to be
young pecan
No it should be. So long as the thing can run Waves it can connect to Soundgrid and that's just done over Ethernet.
Shhh.
Yes we are.
astral haven
but also regardless of that, this doesnt make your scarlett based system any cheaper than the q2u or at2100x
young pecan
Sure but if I'm spending that like $140~ it costs then why not wait for a black friday deal and buy better?
Or used.
astral haven
because you can buy the usb one for cheaper used or on BF deal
young pecan
Like idk, it's roughly the same price for similar quality regardless of which way you go, I don't see a good reason to fuck yourself into USB.
young pecan
In which case I'm spending 140 on something I can do better for cheaper.
If the goal is use it for XLR.
astral haven
claims without evidence may be dismissed without evidence
and i have experienced the 2i2 being worse than the integrated interface on my at2100, and the x version is apparently an upgrade from this
young pecan
I purchased my Rode NT1000 for 200 and an NT1 for like 40 a while back. From what I can eyeball an NT1 is either equal or better than an ATR2100x.
coarse cloak
should be equal
young pecan
Looks about that way.
So idk, the unbelievably popular NT1 which is literally everywhere can be had for nearly nothing, this isn't anywhere near as common.
Soooooo...
astral haven
but the problem is the interface
young pecan
And idk what your marketplaces are like, but mine very routinely sell cheap interfaces.
young pecan
NT-USB, yes.
astral haven
in fact youd be hard pressed to beat the rockband mic
with a dedicated interface and any xlr mic combined under 100
astral haven
the nt usb is damn expensive compared to the cheaper options
young pecan
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/693009455549306 For sure this guy is able to get talked down a bit.
No way he's set on 80.
UR12? Eh at best but whatever.
astral haven
young pecan
He says, trying to pretend this is really $20 USD. Don't use bids to prove anything.
Nearly 5 days left.
young pecan
Shipping price? Doesn't ship to me.
astral haven
๐ช
if you want xlr its gonna be more expensive
but id be shocked if you can find a usb interface at all for the price of an xlr+usb mic in general
BIN
young pecan
Oh there are a lot of cheap interfaces.
What's the company, I forget the name.
They made that really popular shit one like 6 years back.
astral haven
behringer?
young pecan
Them.
astral haven
yea and even their cheapest units more than this
young pecan
I mean I don't look for their shit.
astral haven
me neither
and yet i was able to find 5 examples of usb mics being cheaper than the cheapest interface you can find
young pecan
None being sold here. They didn't get popular in Aussieland.
astral haven
and thats on ebay
since its on ebay you could use a forwarder if it was absolutely nescessary
and even with a forwarder it would probably still be cheaper than the interface you posted as your best example
young pecan
Everything is a negotiation, mate!
Sometimes aggressively.
It's why marketplace is so much better than ebay. No shitty fees, people are more willing to barter, etc.
Tax evasion. 
astral haven
yikes
young pecan
Am I wrong? If you're under a limited budget you try your hardest to stretch that for the best you can get.
astral haven
and yet im able to provide better deals on ebay
shows how much better the usb+xlr combo units are
young pecan
No deals up atm and I'm not feeling like a trawl through Wayback and their 2007 UX.
astral haven
again ive provided evidence
young pecan
Yeah and I don't mind. Really this comes down to the local area since some places like the US are going to have a lot more cheap interfaces.
In Aussieland we tend to have cheaper mics and cards, not so much interfaces.
I mean unless mwave.
astral haven
but even if they are, i still wouldnt recommend them since the combo units are so damn performant
i wouldnt wish a behringer or a scarlett interface on my worst enemies
young pecan
Depends.
For Windows and OSx a Scarlett is fine.
For Linux don't you fuckin dare.
For Linux generally speaking don't try advanced audio. 
astral haven
i was on windows
the scarlett digital volume control had channel imbalance
there was also a sort of popping that would happen every few minutes
young pecan
Really? None of the Scarletts I've seen have had that. Bitrate issues yes but that more comes down to poor understanding and audio being finicky bullshit.
astral haven
was hard to notice by ear, but i was trying to do oscilloscope music, and it was basically impossible to keep a perfect circle
it would drift on the right channel up and down
astral haven
yea so i would do a null, using my analog scope to subtract right from left, and using a frequency generator i couldnt get it to stay nulled
it would over the course of a second drift in volume
young pecan
Just got the most unlucky unit in the world?
astral haven
๐คท perhaps
but it also would pop every once in a while when recording
and those are two separate issues considering thats input vs output
young pecan
Yeah that's not surprising. Windows doesn't tend to get used for audio for a reason.
It works, but fuck me it takes some tinkering.
astral haven
sure but never once had an issue in a thousand hours of zoom meetings with my 2100
tho dont buy the 2100, get the x,
last wing
been trying to reduce js as much as possible so current method as been using pseudo elements on top of the master class that has been defined in js to target the children
has been really effective soo far
@woven laurel
ignore the // code in the js its just experimental stuff
also been looking to external librarys for doing motion design through code. so far been looking at lottie.js and anime.js, lottie looks like it will be usefull in the future. anime.js is cool but if u have knowledge in motion design it looks like its better to just code it vanilla though it does have its usecases
only thing ive implemented to far is the hamurger stuff
everything else is just placeholders
once i get the main content in can start focusing on getting stuff looking proper but got other work to do thats taking priority rn :/
tyty i will definately look into it
the whole website itself is a portfolio piece so there's going to be alot of motion implemented and i want to be able to control individual elements as much as possible for design layout on different devices
which with lottie u dont have alot of control with
thank you
cursive summit
the whole website itself is a portfolio piece so there's going to be alot of mot...
Have you ever heard of our sponsor, squarespace?
last wing
Have you ever heard of our sponsor, squarespace?
LOL
cursive summit
I like you too a lot
last wing
i could never use a template website, no where near the controllability id like to have haha
thats sounds like a great choice tbh
cursive summit
Moondrop, I get the anime waifu thing, but now they are using human plastic dolls for marketing https://twitter.com/MoondropLab/status/1705719996955889957/photo/3
That is a real human right
I genuinely can't tell if that's a fuck ton of makeup or just plastic
last wing
i just being super fussy as i want the website to be a art piece itself instead of just a website contain portfolio pieces
cursive summit
You need to get out more, Vex ๐
HUMANS DON'T SUPPOSED TO LOOK LIKE THAT
cursive summit
Enough is enough 
last wing
HUMANS DON'T SUPPOSED TO LOOK LIKE THAT
it looks super jaring like the face has been roto'd onto a different person
last wing
very understandable haha
om thing i will never give up is sass. i love being able to nest sub files into each over. as a motion designer it hits home to how ae works with precomps so its a must for me haha
last wing
hahaha
i only really use forward and use
forward for pushing specifc color palletes for specific pages and other minor page to page stuff
sigma woman
last wing
MY BAD IM SORRY
cursive summit
Cause you have problems and should go to sleep, Fym
last wing
the grind is real!
woven laurel
grinding on sunday
last wing
my sleeping pattern is all over the place too tbh
last wing
i woke up at 9pm, watched anime (lool) went back to bed till 2am then woke up, had breakfast then went to gym now i am working
cursive summit
I know exactly what you meant 
I'd be flabbergasted if you could name a single game that released in the past 3 years
This woman sleeps, drinks and eats security
last wing
tbh i only play 2-3 games. i play counter strike, apex and osu
dont really play much else
cursive summit
You should listen to sleep remedy podcasts instead
Ok that's fair enough, you may continue
Wait.. which coke???
last wing
this might be controversial but i really like jre podcasts. not soo much for joe but for some of the guests he has one
cursive summit
Yeah I will sever all relations with your ass
cursive summit
You had 2 good answers, cocaine and pepsi max
last wing
You had 2 good answers, cocaine and pepsi max
PEPSI?
woven laurel
last wing
ima big science nerd. so i like some of the guests joe has on. Neil degrasse tyson, graham hancock and randall carlson are some of my favs
woven laurel
I like doing nothing
last wing
https://tenor.com/view/pepsi-man-pepsi-gif-21226827
to each their own but to me pepsi is the choice after there is no coke
woven laurel
ashen spindle
oh I think both are bad but only one of them has a game with banger soundtrack
last wing
I like doing nothing
thats my anime watching time
binge watching half a season in 1 sitting
woven laurel
what are u watching overlord?
last wing
what are u watching overlord?
my anime watch time is disgusting tbh. ive watched soo much. for context when i still used to use crunchyroll in 2016 i watch literally everything on there that they had then
and ive only seen s1 of overlord
though they have had amazing soundtracks through all the seasons
woven laurel
last wing
myth and roid very goated
coarse cloak
Good dedication
cursive summit
not faithful
last wing
this season of anime ive watched 13 of the current airing ones LOL
its an unhealthy habit
coarse cloak
I average a shitton of manga/manhwa/manhua reading a week
last wing
i try to give everything a chance though so i never drop anything
coarse cloak
I stopped picking up new titles and dropped garbage and still read a lot
cursive summit
Take it or leave it
cursive summit
You're 4 hours past your bedtime
last wing
only anime ive ever dropped is highschool dxd, 3 episodes in and that was enough to realise that the story was never the focus
coarse cloak
I need to GTS too it's 4:59am
cursive summit
Daily Fymrim misread
At this point they are far more entertaining than the typical lanapost
coarse cloak
They're great
coarse cloak
only anime ive ever dropped is highschool dxd, 3 episodes in and that was enough...
Oh yeah it's one of those..
cursive summit
Lanaposting has went down a lot recently, so I think fymrin had to balance it out with more derp
last wing
I average a shitton of manga/manhwa/manhua reading a week
i started getting back into reading manga, currently read black clover up to the hiatus and at 162 chapter of jjk
last wing
I need to pick up JJK and resume black clover..
the shibuya arc is currently being animated this season
its really good
they have done it justice so far
rum is a spectacular choice in drink
coarse cloak
I've drank a sip of beer and decided alcohol never
So I'm a teetotaler
last wing
^^
last wing
I've drank a sip of beer and decided alcohol never
So I'm a teetotaler
ehh beer is a hit or miss and its kind of an acquired taste
last wing
GN
there used to be this tea shop where i live, it was expensive but really nice. i used to get a passionfruit green iced tea all the time from there but they should down in covid :/
ashen spindle
cursive summit
Liquid metal is far too dangerous for me to ever use
Not taking the risk of that ever leaking
cursive summit
Fym, cutie, you should go to sleep
last wing
im planning to go fully watercooled when i upgade my pc
would like to add another gpu to my pc for rendering but 3090ti i have is a 4 slot gpu ๐
cursive summit
I hope that's not some foreplay
ashen spindle
would like to add another gpu to my pc for rendering but 3090ti i have is a 4 sl...
riser cable and put it outside 
last wing
LOL
last wing
riser cable and put it outside <:dogekek:1134256020156317706>
i have a corsair 500d airflow but i think im going to buy the lian li case when i go watercooled so i can get the cool distro plate
make my life easier
cursive summit
Good night fym
last wing
gnnnnnnnnnn
cursive summit
Have a wonderful day off tomorrow, meet some peeps
Just don't go honking things or you'll just not fall asleep
last wing
currently rocking a 3090ti with a 8700k ๐ช with 48gb of ram
talk about missmatched hardware
ashen spindle
I used to want to do liquid cooling but with cpus going efficent on amd side I've decided AiO for gpu and cpu aircooler is so much better for longterm, easier to clean and all
last wing
I used to want to do liquid cooling but with cpus going efficent on amd side I'v...
id prefer to stick to aio cooling but modern gpus are just too chonky
ashen spindle
? aio 4090s are quite slim compared to air
last wing
when i had my mid tower i was able to fit a 2 slot 1070 and a 2 and a half slot 1070, im full tower and can only fit 1 3090ti mannnnnnnnnn
last wing
? aio 4090s are quite slim compared to air
i meant aio for cpu
my gpu is aircooled
but if i watercool gpu i might aswell water cool the cpu
cursive summit
Are there even closed loop coolers for GPUs nowadays?
ashen spindle
of course
ashen spindle
yeah those exist why wouldnt they not
woven laurel
currently rocking a 3090ti with a 8700k ๐ช with 48gb of ram
average scss user pc rig
ashen spindle
msi, asus, gigabyte, they all have aio 4090 models
woven laurel
cursive summit
msi, asus, gigabyte, they all have aio 4090 models
Well yes I know that exists and has for a long time
But a replacement from air to water in AIO format
last wing
My old 3080 looked tiny next to this behemoth
cursive summit
All waterblocks are just meant for custom loops, I have not seen a waterblock that comes with piping and a radiator
ashen spindle
how can you say you know they exist then say you havent seen them?
cursive summit
Quin, lad
As I specified, replacement waterblocks with piping and radiators for otherwise air-cooled GPUs
last wing
i mean with the right amount of jank u could fit a cpu aio onto a gpu
ashen spindle
so a closed loop that you would install yourself you mean
cursive summit
Yes
EK always sells just waterblocks that you do custom
Is there a waterblock with a pump and radiator and whatever for converting air cooled GPU to water
ashen spindle
why would you put an aio on an aircooler card and not just buy an aio version
cursive summit
Cause I have not seen those
last wing
average scss user pc rig
scss is superior
cursive summit
why would you put an aio on an aircooler card and not just buy an aio version
AIO versions are typically hyper expensive
Would be cheaper to DIY
last wing
scss is superior
we like nested files round here
ashen spindle
well the aio on its own would not really be cheaper
last wing
u would be supprised
cursive summit
well the aio on its own would not really be cheaper
So I guess not a thing then
woven laurel
I do angular I hate touching frontend, you can do all my frontend
I rather stay on the backend
last wing
if ur gpu is a gen old like mine getting a aio for it would be like 500$ cheaper than getting one that already has a aio on it
ashen spindle
you would need a formfitted cooler, with attached coller and pump, you could not really switch that to other cards so there isnt really any way it would be cheaper
like this would only fit the rog strix if you buy it standalone
last wing
I rather stay on the backend
id like to learn backend one day tbh
ashen spindle
so you would have to buy a strix air to replace the air heatsink then, not anything gained price wise
last wing
like this would only fit the rog strix if you buy it standalone
no it depends if they are using the refrence design or not
ashen spindle
I dont think any current AiOs use reference design
last wing
it depends on the tier, high end ones wont as they probs will have beefed up power delivery
^^
it does happen, its more common for the water cooled cards to use reference design as they dont need to move stuff round for clearance on the heatsink versions
ashen spindle
it does happen, its more common for the water cooled cards to use reference desi...
it used to be when nvidia used to not make cut of V shaped reference boards yea
cursive summit
But depending on price, 6900XT's were as cheap as 600$ at some point, 200$ or so AIO waterblock on top and it'd be cheaper than an AIO GPU model, maybe
last wing
A full AIO to slap on the reference card?
the refrence design of modern gpus are pretty solid these days. epescially with how power efficient the 40 series is. they dont really need beefing up
in comparison to 30 series
even against the latest from amd
nvidia may suck when it comes to price but they have made good strides with efficiency this gen
ashen spindle
yeah the coolers are overbuilt because early in development they powerdraw was supposed to be higher
last wing
that looks soo cool
last wing
yeah the coolers are overbuilt because early in development they powerdraw was s...
i think there needs to be some sort of legislation for consumer products power draw. not like an outright bad of products over a certain limit but guidelines that brands have to follow when designing products
600w of power draw on a gpu alone is obscene for a consumer grade item
ashen spindle
what non overclocked 4090 comes even close to that
last wing
3090ti comes into the scene...
last wing
ahh this is not acurate lol doing 3d work with octane render i have pushed passed 500
because my room because a sauna
my fe 3080 would do 400+
ashen spindle
eh yeah that was quite bad but I still dont think we need limits
they will be limited by cooling capabilities for a while still
cant just put 1000w in pc form factor cooling on gpus
last wing
with how expensive electricity is becoming id strongly disagree
although i strongly dislike the company apple is making strides in efficiency
ashen spindle
hahahha
ok so first, I agree we need to lower power consumption in the world ideally
pcs aint the biggest issue there
it will also come down just from how the tech evolves to chiplets and limited form factor
last wing
the tech industry is overall a big issue
ashen spindle
and apple is currently not making much strides, M1 was great, M2 and A17 were big letdowns
consumer gpus they would worst case just put a custom bios on it and for data center a 1000w gpu would still be more efficent than having multiple lower power ones
last wing
and apple is currently not making much strides, M1 was great, M2 and A17 were bi...
i agree but its still a big leap compared to the competitors
ashen spindle
it was a one time leap and now with the lack of node advantages intel and amd are catching up/are already there
and also the 3090/4090 and all are by far not the most bought gpus, they are still just a fraction of the total market sales
last wing
i mean id take a generation of little performance gain and massive efficiency gains over more performance with more power consumption
like say that is me though
i cant speak for everyone
i wouldnt even own a 90 class gpu if i didnt need the vram
with my 3080 i was always hitting vram limits on projects and it was such a pain in the ass
now with my 3090ti i dont even come close i hit c4d memory management issues before vram limits
last wing
no
for me its the familiarity, its like ae precomps so it just helps keeping stuff clean and organised
fickle ore
i mean id take a generation of little performance gain and massive efficiency ga...
Im the same. I hate my room heating up :I
Gonna run the 7800 xt at 200 watt uv'd
ashen spindle
i mean id take a generation of little performance gain and massive efficiency ga...
on cpu side we kinda just got that with zen4 at eco mode/low power settings though, on gpus we have the issue amd designed something that in the final stages went kaput and now rdna3 is power hungry, should that be stopped too, if you design something at lower power but final product cant be sold due to issues?
last wing
Im the same. I hate my room heating up :I
its not the heat that bothers me its the power conspumption. electric in the uk is getting expensive
fickle ore
its not the heat that bothers me its the power conspumption. electric in the uk ...
Right. In finland we have days of 0.30c kwh and days of 0.00c kw/h
๐
averages about to 0.08~
ashen spindle
looks at 40 cent per kwh
last wing
my electric bill just keeps climbing
its not fun '
and i havent even been doing much local rendering recently
last rendering i did was mid july and i just kept paying and sending it to render farms
๐ซก
ashen spindle
Price wise you still have the option to limit that yoursself though, put a power limit on it
My 4090 never goes above 350w and I didnโt do all the UV yet
last wing
alot of people dont have the luxury of buying new gen for that efficiency gain but still need the compute power
fickle ore
My 1060 is prob like 100 w and already heats up the room by 2c over other rooms :/ I'm afraid of the 100% wat increase
last wing
especially with nvidia's pricing these day
ashen spindle
Sure I just donโt think power limiting gpus by law is possible and if it was it wouldnโt really do much
last wing
i mean setting guidlines would surely help
fickle ore
is the rdna3 too inefficient for ya?
ashen spindle
What guidelines though
last wing
well we have certain tiers of gpu, everyone is used to the 60, 70, 80, 90 and titan class tiers
i think if there was targets for the 60 to 90 classes that would be reasonable
then titan can be too the wall
ashen spindle
So then they just change the pricing stack and use different dies and have 4 titans skus lol
ashen spindle
What I mean is there would be no change since they would just classify anything as a titan that would go over the power limit
fickle ore
What guidelines though
For example I'd like to see a guideline that limits the default voltage setting of a GPU to its peak efficiency. If that efficiency grows until 0 then no, but like you see 10% UV do for a lot of gpus. They're basically now ran outside the efficiency spec just to hit higher bench score
last wing
if i could keep the same raw performance of my 3090ti and drop half the power consumption of it as a gerneration upgrade that would be amazing
ashen spindle
You can do that with a 4090 to just not without manual UV
last wing
with the introduction of ai models becoming even more powefull i dont think raw compute power needs to be the main focus
look at dlss 3.5
ashen spindle
What does ray reconstruction have to do with it
last wing
look at where dlss was 2 years ago and look where it is now, its been a drastic improvement?
last wing
What does ray reconstruction have to do with it
what doesn't it have to do with it
do you know how versitile its application of use is?
far outside just video games
most of the photo realistic render kernals are path traced
ashen spindle
How does it relate to gpu powerdraw regulations
last wing
ray reconstruction tech could have drastic changes to render times
last wing
How does it relate to gpu powerdraw regulations
because it outperforms a whole genreation of raw compute power?
we are at the point were we should be more focused on efficiency and software advancement than raw compute power
ashen spindle
Sure but it only works in some areas
It doesnโt to anything for standard rendering
last wing
because its still a very young technology
give it a few years and it will have very versatile application
it was the same for ai denoisers
ai denoisers we barely common 3 years ago
now they are used all throughout the 3d industry
ashen spindle
all of that still gets better if you have more raw power to start with or use as base
last wing
most renders ship with them now
but were are getting to the point where the returns and staring to not be worth it
efficiency should always be a priority over raw compute
ashen spindle
we are also at the limit of what you can cool in a pc form factor so it's not like it's going up, not to mention future node limitations and how that already forces changes in that regard
and for data center and co TCO is the only relevant metric
last wing
we are also at the limit of what you can cool in a pc form factor so it's not li...
we arent, m1 was such a jump that we have a laptop skew passively cooled because its efficient eough
im on about consumer grade here also
ashen spindle
I was thinking in regards to how much power a gpu in pc can draw
last wing
and for data center and co TCO is the only relevant metric
were not quite there yet, 40 series is evidence of that
they have headroom but are power limited through software
but then again we go back to effiency
woven laurel
do you mean graphics cards in general or the 40 series?
last wing
i mean gpus in gerneral need to be more effiecient im just using the 30 and 40 series as case examples atm
hollow vortex
if it was a simple matter of do or don't, nvidia would do anything to get more money out of people
last wing
no one ever said it was a simple matter
hollow vortex
we use ai because it is actually efficient and manages to keep up with our demands from gpus
ashen spindle
to what exact numbers should it be forced and why though
if I can make a 700W gpu that perfectly scales and the uArch is also 2x the previous gen at any wattage, should that be fine or not?
hollow vortex
heat
we don't have transducers good enough to do that and keep it from burning itself with a reasonable amount of investment
last wing
if I can make a 700W gpu that perfectly scales and the uArch is also 2x the prev...
thats no happening though
hollow vortex
and the people who can invest in it, does in quantum computer cooling
ashen spindle
so what numbers would you set as limits then
hollow vortex
at some point your gpu just kills itself
and there is the silicone gamble
not every chip is equivalent to one another
last wing
so what numbers would you set as limits then
thats something that would need to be discussed and considered at great length and its not limits its guidlines
ashen spindle
so by the time that would come to pass we are already 5 years past the time we move on from current things since high NA nodes are halving the recticle limit so a 4090 sized gpu could literally not be made lol
hollow vortex
heat is the bottle necking factor in all of tech quin
this is why the koreans saying they invented a room temperature superconductor was huge
ashen spindle
it's not about whats possible it's about regulation of how much power a gpu can draw
hollow vortex
if we could eliminate resistance in our conductors technology would leap by a 100 years
doesn't matter
there are hard limits, your gpu will kill itself from heat
ashen spindle
how does that not matter thats the point mal and I are discussing lol
last wing
yeah im confused as to what he is on about
we all know heat is the main limiting factor
but thats not what we are even talking about
hollow vortex
isn't quin arguing that why go for ai when you can have raw power instead
ashen spindle
no not really at that point I just said ai would still benefit from more raw power as base or similar
last wing
^^
dont know why i replied to the other msg
my bad
no he was justing saying raw compute is always a plus to have on top of that
hollow vortex
I thought that was a given so I interpreted it in another way
last wing
so by the time that would come to pass we are already 5 years past the time we m...
this is something that would be considered when building the legislation, and roadmap would be need to taken into consideration the future scalablity of node scaling and the approaching limiting factors
last wing
I thought that was a given so I interpreted it in another way
my argument is right now we are at a point where compute power is adequate enough that we should be focusing on efficiency. especially with the ever increasing implementation of ai models reduicing the compute power we need
and with the price spikes of power across the globe
ashen spindle
personally price is a non factor now that we are installting solar
last wing
solar is such an inefficent tech that needs more R&D
ashen spindle
aside from that I just think the amount of work and all is out of proportion to limit a fraction of a market, the high end gpu section
last wing
even the best solar pannels are 22-25% efficient at best
ashen spindle
oh yeah it could do more, it's still insanely profitable, but I would love a perovskite breakthrough to get that to like 80%
last wing
i agree solar is definitely the way though
fickle ore
oh yeah it could do more, it's still insanely profitable, but I would love a per...
PEROVSKITE MENTIONED
last wing
i wish govements would spend the wasted money they put into funding stupid stuff like global warming (2billion a year for a bunch of paid scientists to scramble though data to try come up with a an explanation for the amount of co2 in the air whilst leaving out soo many varibles)
air polution is way more important than co2 emissions yet it gets drowned out
ashen spindle
what you dont like wasting money for the scam that is carbon capture
last wing
at out current co2 emissions we currently expel 1/10,000 of co2 that exists in the air over the span of 10 years
i could go on forever but theres no point at poking at that dead horse
ashen spindle
anyway back to gpus, I dont think it makes sense, it's hitting a small market inside a small market that will in the future already have to go that route due to technical limits and is not a major contributer in the first place
last wing
for the consumer market i think it would make a drastic difference
ashen spindle
data center will still design 1kW chips because TCO makes sense and if you scale that down to consumer you have high powerdraw as long as possible, you don't redesign that entirely
last wing
the way i see it we should consider them 2 seperate things, have powerhouses of data centers so we can build the technological software needed to help make the consumer market more efficient
because we will always need raw compute
ashen spindle
stuff like handhelds are rising thanks to steam deck ally and all where efficency is king for battery life so the market is already having incentives
apple are trying for efficency and are failing with the A17 a little bit
last wing
but i dont think the consumer market needs it that much if we can keep building on software that fills the gaps
ashen spindle
I mean we still need a lot of horsepower and better software to get games running stable at resolutions and framerates we have today..
so we still need more raw compute for a while
last wing
i agree but to an extent we are also coming at it at the wrong angle
hollow vortex
my argument is right now we are at a point where compute power is adequate enoug...
those shouldn't be separate efforts
both should go forward
and it is right now as the market demands it
last wing
but for individual markets there should be different goals
in the ratio of perfomance - efficiency
hollow vortex
define individual markets
last wing
consumer market and server markets
ashen spindle
what if I use my 4090 not only for gaming but also work, do I have to buy a different one that has power unlocked?
last wing
no thats where software improvement comes in
if you current work can be done on a single 4090 then there is no need for the power comsumption
40 series was still a good improvement
hollow vortex
consumer market and server markets
the market moves forward depending on what is needed
and as it stands both are needed
ashen spindle
time is money so if I can do it faster by cranking up the power and I gain more than the electricity cost it will be better for my work
hollow vortex
so we improve in both
last wing
the market moves forward depending on what is needed
we are having global power issues i think efficiency is one of many things that are needed right now
ashen spindle
I fully agree, I dont think consumer gpus are an issue
hollow vortex
blame the eu for not building nuclear generators for that one
last wing
yeah thats not the right way to go lol
hollow vortex
way better than burning coal
ashen spindle
we had 16 years of a german government that was blocking solar/wind etc. so much we ended up where we are, we could be here and not need nuclear or coal
saying the last step is a mistake after 2 decades of mistakes is a bit short sighted
last wing
way better than burning coal
and nuclear fusion is better than fission
hollow vortex
solar energy requires a lot of investment and maintenance
ashen spindle
fusion is not a thing we have yet though
hollow vortex
it would take decades and perhaps hundreds of years to benefit from such an investment
ashen spindle
false
last wing
because we dont put enough resources into it
hollow vortex
not to mention manufacturing that many solar panels is literally more damaging to the nature than burning coal lol
last wing
solar energy requires a lot of investment and maintenance
we already see benifits from solar
hollow vortex
we see benefits, not more than what was invested though
ashen spindle
personal solar panels on peoples roofs pay of in 10-20 years depednign on size and all
if you scale that up massively you have much bigger returns
hollow vortex
personal solar panels on peoples roofs pay of in 10-20 years depednign on size a...
you are looking at things from a citizens standpoint
not governments
ashen spindle
yeah government can build massive solar wind and hydro stations and then they dont need to subsizide coal anymore, would be profitable for them as well
fickle ore
if you scale that up massively you have much bigger returns
That is hugely dependant on kw/h prices and margin of the electric company scamming from your profits and local legislation. For example in Finland, right now at 0c kw/h its paying itself in 40+ years ๐
hollow vortex
yeah government can build massive solar wind and hydro stations and then they do...
yeah, it isn't
do you think government doesn't know what solar panel is
ashen spindle
coal is only cheap because it is massively subsidized
last wing
efficiency is solars biggest fault atm and its the goverments fault for not alloting enough R&D funding
our govermnets are greedy
hollow vortex
like you think solar panels are so convenient and readily available and the government just won't use them?
fickle ore
Eh solar is free energy tho, efficiency is garbage if you think how much we can harvest but at 100% efficiency it would be god mode and likely why it's so hard in the first place
hollow vortex
anything profitable we would have done already
last wing
its not about it being instantly profitable
hollow vortex
there are businesses that plant trees for profit that can only sow its fruits a 150 years back
if it was at all profitable we would be doing it
ashen spindle
That is hugely dependant on kw/h prices and margin of the electric company scamm...
yeah only where it makes sense, hydro or wind elsewhere if there is no sun etc.
hollow vortex
hydro isn't readily available, there are already hydrogenerators where they can be
fickle ore
if it was at all profitable we would be doing it
you can invest in those companies :--)
last wing
our goverments are looking for short term returns
they are not interested in making the word a better place
hollow vortex
that is a bold claim to make
fickle ore
yeah only where it makes sense, hydro or wind elsewhere if there is no sun etc.
Then again the political environment may change in future. What if Russia ends up paying war reparations for 10 years after war and Germany has free electricity for a decade?
It's possibly not wise to invest thinking that energy will remain at 0.4โฌ /kwh for 20+ years
last wing
war is literally profitable thats why it happens soo much
fickle ore
same as rates wont stay at 4-7 % for 2 more decades
hollow vortex
war is literally profitable thats why it happens soo much
yeah exactly
last wing
thats something with short returns that doesnt have the peoples interests in mind
hollow vortex
when burning coal or building nuclear plants is not profitable anymore either we will turn to solar power
simple as
last wing
literally proving my point that the government does not have the people's interests in mind
ashen spindle
when burning coal or building nuclear plants is not profitable anymore either we...
literally false
hollow vortex
we don't need to and the investment now is more damaging than it is worth it
last wing
we don't need to and the investment now is more damaging than it is worth it
this is soo insanely false
fickle ore
literally proving my point that the government does not have the people's intere...
This is a given, why would you ever thought otherwise? Politics is just 4 year election cycles and self interest in mind
hollow vortex
literally false
literal basic supply & demand
when one supply isn't enough you turn to the other
ashen spindle
if there wasnt the pesky thing about regulations and laws that favor one and can be bought by money...
last wing
if we could improve the efficiency of solar over the next 10 - 20 years from 25% to 60 - 80% do you understand how much that would help long term investment wise?
hollow vortex
do you understand how much that would cost
last wing
yes but the returns over the the next 50 years would greatly outweigh the cost in the long run
hollow vortex
yeah and that isn't a good investment
there are better places like healthcare and technology that money could go to
its stupid to spend it on electricity
last wing
so? as should be it should be as its a focus of whats in the best interest in the people
ashen spindle
crazy idea, if we had spend money that was used to subsidize coal on researching solar panels we likely had 35%+ efficency or other similar gains
fickle ore
crazy idea, if we had spend money that was used to subsidize coal on researching...
Nasa use 40+% panels
its not a tech its monetary
reef patrol
Both of those are true.
ashen spindle
yes I implied in ways that are reasonable for not space use
last wing
its not a tech its monetary
nasa's budget is also 0.05 of what the army gets
last wing
its stupid to spend it on electricity
its not about spending it all on electricity its the govenments putting money back into development instead of lining the pockets of the rich
hollow vortex
its not about spending it all on electricity its the govenments putting money ba...
putting that much money into solar power is what we describe as putting all your eggs in one basket
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last wing
there was a woman in the past year who became our prime minister for less than a month and is now on a 100K a year for life... FOR LFE
she was in power for that little time i dont even know her name
hollow vortex
Putting it all into the army is also a basket of eggies.
an army is more dynamic than solar power
reef patrol
It doesn't help power anything.
last wing
the peoples money to speek
ashen spindle
"that much" germany spent so little we literally had to close down out last factory making wind turbine blades and have to fucking import them now ebcause the government spend nothing on that while still subsidizing coal...
hollow vortex
funding an army isn't just a matter of returns, it is also a means to distribute wealth
reef patrol
Also a substancial amount of the US industrial complex is literally just about making material, then smelting it back down.
hollow vortex
that's why north korea still functions despite 50% of their citizens are soldiers
last wing
funding an army isn't just a matter of returns, it is also a means to distribute...
its 100% a matter or returns
last wing
war is the most profitable thing there is
ashen spindle
we're not asking governments to spend money to make highly unporfitable things affordable, it's to have workers work and improve and get returns later on critical infrastructure
reef patrol
Hi woting factory I need a keyboard to show in YouTube and advertise the keyboar...
If you're asking about review samples or other such marketing things, this is the place.
fickle ore
"that much" germany spent so little we literally had to close down out last fact...
Gust google who owns the land near/on coal mines and see how much rent gets paid to the owners. Probably related to the decision makers.. ๐
hollow vortex
war is the most profitable thing there is
this doesn't invalidate the capacities of what military can do apart from war
reef patrol
Oh do tell.
hollow vortex
many countries employ a very big portion of their citizens as an economic system
last wing
what does a military do over than be in war or prepare for war?
hollow vortex
ask north korea
last wing
BRO
hollow vortex
or any other asian military
reef patrol
Be more specific. You're being very vague.
reef patrol
What exactly are these military staff doing that isn't related to war or national security?
hollow vortex
its a means to manage wealth and employ people
defund american military and 30% of the population is homeless lol
reef patrol
You can employ people in other industries.
hollow vortex
you can't really
reef patrol
You can, really.
last wing
u do realise north korea is one of the poorest countries in terms of spead of welth in terms of ratio
hollow vortex
yes and it would be even poorer without the military
last wing
that really should not be the place u use as a case example
reef patrol
And as previously pointed out, the US literally wastes money and resources on making and smelting things in their massive industrial complex. People doing pointless tasks.
last wing
yes and it would be even poorer without the military
it would aslo prosper alot more if its head of state prioritised its people over their own ego
hollow vortex
And as previously pointed out, the US literally wastes money and resources on ma...
yes so people aren't jobless
so instead of opening useless positions in 200 different industries they do it in 1
the military
its literally a common practice
last wing
useless positions
last wing
then proceedes to say military
last wing
so would opening r&D firms for renuable energy tech firms
hollow vortex
this is also why slavery was abolished
last wing
ur argument is soo lose
hollow vortex
it stopped economy from circulating
same as joblessness
you don't want that no matter what
hollow vortex
so would opening r&D firms for renuable energy tech firms
talented people already get these positions they need
last wing
this has become such a pointless debate.
hollow vortex
issue is america has piss poor education
last wing
stem is one of the most under populated fields
hollow vortex
yes
last wing
like ur really not getting it
hollow vortex
people are choosing not to do stem
reef patrol
yes so people aren't jobless
Here's a crazy thought. Put them to work making things that don't get broken back down.
hollow vortex
it isn't like government doesn't want them
there is a demand for them and no one wants to do it
hollow vortex
Here's a crazy thought. Put them to work making things that don't get broken bac...
there simply aren't any
reef patrol
Hard disagree.
last wing
issue is america has piss poor education
they have a pisspoor education because they prioritise the military over minimal education
reef patrol
Stubborn thinking refusing to look at alternatives.
last wing
teachers are underpaid
there are soo many sub variabies you are just ignoring to look at
hollow vortex
teachers are globally underpaid except for in europe tbh
last wing
when a teacher has to spend their own wage on materials for their students because there is no funding for it then yeah theres clearing going to be issues with education
pale sigil
Amen
last wing
why is a teacher going to try their best when they simply cant afford to
hollow vortex
I don't disagree
last wing
so what should they do
hollow vortex
teachers are globally underpaid
hollow vortex
they sort of do lmao
pale sigil
Teachers pay is shite everywhere
hollow vortex
I never said it isn't
last wing
you are clearly in support of it
hollow vortex
I am not
last wing
...
hollow vortex
I am saying there are reasons the military exists and that is to keep the economy afloat
last wing
your whole argument has been how military employment should be prioritised
hollow vortex
you ignoring the benefits of such system doesn't justify ignoring teachers pay
last wing
there is no benifit
hollow vortex
it circulates economy.
last wing
that so called benifit is literally because it takes away from all other fields
and you cant call that a benifit
hollow vortex
Yeah I am certain thousands of bureaucrats couldn't think of this in the time it took you 5 minutes
truly
hollow vortex
"war is bad"
america: ๐คฏ
it is profitable
why would you do something that isn't
last wing
this is pointless now im no loger replying because you are just being soo narow minded
stealing is easier than working it doesnt mean you should go around doing it
hollow vortex
you fail to understand what floats a country and makes dollar what its worth
and the military you dislike so much is a big part of it
last wing
you fail to understand everything from this argument. the moment u used north korea as an argument in your favor anything else said from that point on just holds 0 weight
hollow vortex
everything you say is wishful thinking like "omg what if everyone was happy and nice"
hollow vortex
most of its population is starving
yeah and if they didn't do this all of their population would
you are an idealist not a realist
last wing
bruh can someone else comprehend his logic?
hollow vortex
Mate
last wing
do you understand why the country is starving?
hollow vortex
Not enough money or means to grow food
So they continue to circulate their economy so it doesn't come crashing down
last wing
not enough money... the head of state has over 300 different mansions that he uses occasionally. i bet he hosted his own olympics also because it was to circulate their economy not at all because their head of state has a massive ego
hollow vortex
not enough money... the head of state has over 300 different mansions that he us...
building those mansions also give people jobs
last wing
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hollow vortex
you are analyzing everything at a surface level and one ounce layer
hollow vortex
hosting olympics is alsona great thing to do
for a country without resources or manufacturing they are bringing foreign interest and keeping national unity high
you are still observing things at a surface level.
this is also why kpop is a big thing
the government funds the fuck out of it
because it brings interest to the country
which is what helps the people
last wing
dont take this the wrong way
but i refuse to belive u are real
THEY HOSTED THEIR OWN OLYMPICS WITH NOTHING BUT NORTH KOREANS WHERE THEY WON EVERY EVENT
not for bringing in foreign interest
hollow vortex
Literally common practice in europe since medieval times lmfao
last wing
because it was only televised in north korea
hollow vortex
thanks for describing me the culture your own countries started ๐
last wing
while aslo blocking the showing of the global olympics
uhh that was then? the whole world now participates in a joint global event called the olympics?
hollow vortex
yeah I didn't mention foreign interest for the olympics
last wing
for a country without resources or manufacturing they are bringing foreign inter...
uhh u kind of did
hollow vortex
it is a practice that was done in all of europe in different forms when moral was down
there is so many historical instances of these sort of events and feasts
even japan did the same post ww2
last wing
its not a matter or morale, its ego... its the same reason why the olympics which the rest of the globe takes part in is blocked by the government in north korea
and only in north korea
hollow vortex
its literally morale and unity
its so people don't start revolting
you distract people from their issues
last wing
lol
hollow vortex
this is also why karate is literally a thing right now
last wing
people get cut down in nk if they try revolt
hollow vortex
japan used it as a means to combat foreign boxing and create their own sport to keep people distracted
last wing
not even revolt if the oppose
hollow vortex
people get cut down in nk if they try revolt
not really no
if 30% of your country disobeys you, you can't really gun them down
this is a very real thing that happened many times
you aren't a ruler if you can't rule anyone
last wing
if u make a example or 2 of it u can keep them in order
hollow vortex
and you can't rule anyone with guns and bullets
last wing
ruling by fear is what north korea is
hollow vortex
if u make a example or 2 of it u can keep them in order
truly, and as such no revolts ever happened.
never, ever
last wing
so u can rule people with guns and bullets
hollow vortex
could totally not boot wikipedia and find 5000 examples of revolts
last wing
no shit
hollow vortex
so u can rule people with guns and bullets
you can't, NK has an actually good national unity
fickle ore
hollow vortex
because it would destroy the country
fickle ore
haha funny
last wing
https://www.reddit.com/r/hardware/comments/16qaaui/geforce_rtx_4090_cant_handle_...
i want a g9 soo bad
they look super cool
hollow vortex
if there is a reason NK still stands it is because of the things they do
fickle ore
i want a g9 soo bad
wont work on 3090 ๐
hollow vortex
They might be doing these thing in an unethical manner or straight up sadistic
but it kept the country floating and that is an incredible accomplishment for a country with zero resources and production
last wing
u are speaking into the void my friend i have gave up
i dont care anymore
not going to speak on it anymore
its pointless
hollow vortex
Have it your way man, since the beginning only thing you argued is what you think is good and what you think would be best and never objective facts
last wing
wont work on 3090 ๐
the monitor realesate must be crazy tho
steep creek
i want a g9 soo bad
Yep looks pretty nice
fickle ore
DP 2.1 became relevant so quick.
steep creek
But probably is too big for my liking. Iโm used to a 27โ lol
last wing
Have it your way man, since the beginning only thing you argued is what you _thi...
not true at all me and quin disagreed on alot of points in my main argument but i still listened to him and agreed on a bunch of his points but what ever man
last wing
But probably is too big for my liking. Iโm used to a 27โ lol
i have a g7 atm
i really like it
i have the 27" ver
steep creek
Ah cool
fickle ore
I would never buy such a big monitor but ngl that in 34" would be pog
last wing
i might go 21:9 just for the productivity
be nice to have
but would always have to keep a 16:9
hollow vortex
not true at all me and quin disagreed on alot of points in my main argument but ...
because that was an entirely different conversation
id like to see you keep a country with zero resources and manufacturing running with your groundbreaking political ruling abilities :^)
fickle ore
but would always have to keep a 16:9
future monitors will be variable resolution/hz, but unsure if they'll be variable aspect ratio, hmm.
last wing
id like to see you keep a country with zero resources and manufacturing running ...
its almost as if south korea is on the same continent, like say im done with this argument and im saying this again as i have already said it before so this is the last time... you are trying to use north korea, a very well documented corrupted country as a case example. im not going to take anything you say seriously