🔌│tech

[cursive summit]

Fuckin Merkel pocketed the money!

[old marlin]

well it is the gun of a pzh2000 mounted on what used to be an apc

[smoky frigate]

that's what you get when you send Ursula von der Leyen to do anything

she fucks it up and leaves it for her successor to sort out

[old marlin]

hey it got even worse

lambrecht was so bad she resigned

and the new guy ain't that bad

[smoky frigate]

he prolly won't last along with this government

[old marlin]

I doubt scholz would ever resign

[smoky frigate]

don't know him well enough, but I read about him in a book about the EU parliament where he seems alright

[old marlin]

[ionic bone]

Fat American handing out cookies

I take offense

[smoky frigate]

hahaha that's the lady that said "fuck the EU" in a leaked phone call. based!

[ionic bone]

Lmaoooo

[abstract citrus]

@rugged vault

[ashen spindle]

oh the they did mention raptor refresh at the event in one demo btw

just showed some demo running on it as preview but nothing else yet

yes

december 23 but really only 24 volume

laptop only

MTL-S was cancelled last year or earlier

raptor refresh is covering desktop

lmfao probably got something mixed up or call it desktop since its not server or we get some handheld that counts as pc technically

meteor lake demo pc is not using an activated windows license lol

[wheat plume]

https://shop.puri.sm/shop/librem-11/

Purism got more mega expensive shit

[thick elk]

Ah yes the joys of working with windows on changing hardware.

[wheat plume]

Purism don't use windows

They have their own os called PureOS

[thick elk]

This was not in response to you

[wheat plume]

Ahh fair

My bad

[thick elk]

The price is rather bad

We are talking a processor that belongs in a sub € 300 chromebook.

[wheat plume]

Yep ....

The rest of the specs are nice though
And it comes with the keyboard case

Take that Microsoft

Librem 5? :/

[thick elk]

I'll probably stick to chuwi at least they are priced much better.

[wheat plume]

True....

But they use Android

[thick elk]

https://eu.chuwi.com/products/ubook-x-i5-10210y?variant=46924510134616

[wheat plume]

Ooo
That look mega fancy
I love the stand

[loud ember]

Probably. If on an os that doesnt slow it down then yes

[astral haven]

the new n100 and n300 are insane tho
7 watts, windows, basic gaming

[wheat plume]

OSU can't be heavy....surely

[thick elk]

I have a chuwi ubook right now using a n4100 it's quite slow, good enough for what I got it for but I doubt it runs osu! at a decent framerate.
I don't know how much the 5000 series has improved here

[astral haven]

its insanely poorly optimized

[loud ember]

I remember playing osu on repurposed old af lenovo laptops at my school 6 years ago

[wheat plume]

O.o

[astral haven]

yea and like it runs but it runs shockingly poorly

[thick elk]

When I first played it it ran fine on a pentium 4 granted my standards have increased a lot since.

[astral haven]

it also probably has been a while since then

[thick elk]

The problerm is really that osu! just needs really high framerates to feel good.

[loud ember]

Not true really

Osu is playable at 60

[astral haven]

but also it only runs in the 120s on intel iris graphics

[astral haven]

depends
tablet? sure
mouse? nah

[loud ember]

I remember aim training osu at 40fps with mouse

Beating 6 star jump maps

[thick elk]

Oh I am sure it can be done, just personally wouldn't go that route.
Also Mouse player here, I have never adapted to a tablet.

[astral haven]

sure but you would probably be beating 6 star technical maps if you had 120 fps

[loud ember]

Nah, no skill difference at all

[astral haven]

thats patently untrue

[loud ember]

Osu doesnt require high frame rate lol

Its a 2d game with static circles

[astral haven]

it doesnt require it, but low framerates make the game an order of magnitude worse

and your cursor is not static, and that is the important part

[loud ember]

No one looks at their cursor

[steep creek]

maybe use the surface pro as one of those if it works, lol

[astral haven]

ill bet $100 that you would not be able to pass a 6 star jump map without a cursor on 40fps mouse if you cant beat a 7 star jump map

[loud ember]

I already did that to practice aim with no crosshair lol

[astral haven]

🤨
no flashlight either

[loud ember]

No flashlight. Fps on osu doesnt matter

[astral haven]

i know some cracked players can memorize maps, but if you can only do 6 stars i doubt hard

[loud ember]

Theres no motion clarity needed

[astral haven]

ok are you familiar with the concept of control loops?

[loud ember]

I dont play osu a lot. I only used it to aim train for a couple months

[astral haven]

if you are using a mouse and not a tablet, you either need to memorize the patterns or look at the cursor

[wheat plume]

aim training.... interesting use case but check out

[astral haven]

and mice drift over time unlike tablets

[loud ember]

The way i use my mouse has almost no mouse drift

I use it for so long this mouse that i just know

[astral haven]

sure but you still need to know where the cursor is every once in a while

[loud ember]

You dont need more than 30fps to figure that out

[astral haven]

ah but more than 10ms will mess you up

60hz is fine

60fps is not

[loud ember]

No it wont because the brain adapts to that automatically

[astral haven]

and that adaptation is really awful for your performance

[coarse cloak]

super valid choice

[astral haven]

also ofc this is only true for mice above 120hz polling

like yes i could play 1 star maps with 1 fps

but ar 10 isnt possible on 30 fps

not without memorizing

[loud ember]

10 years ago people would argue that the human eye can only see 30fps. Now today we have people arguing that you need a super computer for osu

[astral haven]

the eye can only see strobing if it is under 30hz

but only for stationary objects

the human eye is quite capable of noticing strobing on moving objects up to 10khz at 50th percentile
and some can even still see strobe artifacts at 20khz

this does depend on the speed

[thick elk]

The human eye doesn't have a frame rate per se, it's more complicated.

[smoky frigate]

"10 years ago people would argue that the human eye can only see 30fps" putting it on a bit thick but basically yeah. remember that a lot of games in the mid to late xbox360/ps3 era came out running at 15-20 fps, and that was somehow acceptable lol

[astral haven]

yep qlum
but even if it did have a framerate, you can still see strobing at much higher frequency than framerate by moving the camera

the source of 24/30fps came from someone projecting a light onto a white screen, with a disk in front of the light spinning
they then spun it until half the folks started to see the flashing, and chose that as the speed for the newfangled moving pictures

[smoky frigate]

iirc there wasn't a clear standard well into the 20s

[astral haven]

and they also werent capable of actually spinning at a constant speed, either on the capture or the playback

[smoky frigate]

they are still called flicks because they used to strobe at these low frame rates, which was eventually changed into showing a frame for 3 units of time, and changing to the next in one to reduce flickering

[astral haven]

pretty sure they use 50% shutter angle now?

[smoky frigate]

beats me, I don't know exact details

[astral haven]

so 1/60th of a second

or 1/48th of a second

[smoky frigate]

regarding strobing, I definitely see fluorescent tubes strobing, but that's a detail you don't really notice until you pay attention to it

[astral haven]

its insanely easy to see if you move an object under it

shake your hand or something

also even tho we have 60hz electricity, the lights actually strobe at 120hz (or dont because they are flicker free)

[smoky frigate]

50hz in my region. tube TVs used to strobe at 50hz by default, which is grating as hell

[astral haven]

ye

so 100hz for the lights

wtaf

48%

why 48%

[smoky frigate]

so if 100hz strobing is definitely noticeable to me, I wonder if moving pictures start becoming fluid at the same frequency at which I stop noticing strobing. motion clarity in most cases (for me) happens at 144-160 hz

[astral haven]

it depends on the speed of motion

[smoky frigate]

I suppose, and the type of content. I can tell the difference between 240 and 360hz in Quake 1, forget about more modern games tho. must be the unfiltered textures and blocky models

[astral haven]

keep in mind tho strobing can be higher frequency than the hz of your monitor

eg your mouse cursor

[smoky frigate]

different topic. you think 8K resolution will ever get mainstream adoption? I feel like we're on a sweet spot with 4k in terms of clarity

[astral haven]

🤷 practically its more the lower latency the better at least in game

[thick elk]

6-8k could work for tv-sized monitors. but it would land in the land of deminishing returns long before higher framerates will.

[astral haven]

unlikely

scan out frequency will start to be a problem on big monitors

[thick elk]

Considering how little traction 4k is getting on pc, I don't think we will see a mainstream 8k anytime soon.

[astral haven]

oh

i thought we were talking about 4khz mice

🤦 i cant read

[thick elk]

I do tend to miss context at times, but yea higher polling rates on mice not really worthwile

[astral haven]

8k would be nice in terms of text clarity
still see pixels at 4k32 ez

[smoky frigate]

I sneakily edited to clarify sorry lol

[thick elk]

the word clarity in the older version of your message should have given enough context though.

[astral haven]

motion clarity was what we were talking about for the past while

and over 50% of people can see 10khz strobing

[smoky frigate]

a well-mastered 1080p movie already looks really good, take for example the re-release of Ringu (1998) a few years back

[astral haven]

yep
but the problem is the displays

a 1080p display wont faithfully reproduce a 1080p image

the key part is the blending between subpixels

technically you need to hit nyquist on the eye before your eye cant tell issues with small details

and thats 160 PPD

for average vision

[smoky frigate]

so by that you're saying to most efficiently use a 4k display, a higher-res source would be ideal?

[astral haven]

other way around

[thick elk]

It is very contextual, for example you would be able to see one white pixel on an otherwise black display (assuming no lights involved) quite early.

[astral haven]

to most efficiently use a 4k source, a higher res display would be ideal

[astral haven]

actually not at the limit

you would be able to know that one is there, but you wouldnt be able to identify which one of nine

or in other words, if you alternated neighboring pixels, at the limit you wouldnt notice that it was moving

[thick elk]

fair enough, but that still gives a hint where it matters.

[astral haven]

yep, but the real point is that you can still tell that something is a display

[astral haven]

also keep in mind this is for average vision
for nyquist on the highest measured visual acquity, you need 240PPD

[thick elk]

I guess 6-8k makes some sense at least.

[astral haven]

thats about the same as 4k on a 13 inch laptop at 1 meter

so for a 26 inch display at 1 meter you would want 8k

and for 120 degrees of vr you would want 28k

[thick elk]

It is however marginal at that point

[astral haven]

definetly

but its also still better

[thick elk]

I will say that I would notice a smartphone at a higher ress than 1080p

but I also use mine rather close to my face with small text

[astral haven]

Yep

[final flame]

For smartphone displays 1080 is all you realistically need for the 6 inch phones displays that are common now

[smoky frigate]

I wouldn't know where to look, with android's nice font rendering

[astral haven]

Unless you chose to use smaller fonts

[thick elk]

But do you hold your phone at 15-20cm from your face

[final flame]

1440 is absurdly sharp but imo it's unnecessary

[thick elk]

actually 11 just measured

[astral haven]

1 meter for acuity

[smoky frigate]

I measured too, I hold my Poco F2 pro 17cm from my nose

[astral haven]

Not necessary and unnecessary are different

[thick elk]

I basically tend to move my phone to roughly half a cm beyond minimum focal distance at times.

[astral haven]

It has objective advantages that you may not make use of or have the vision to use

[smoky frigate]

frame rate is more important with phone screens than higher rez imo

[astral haven]

Depends on the content

[smoky frigate]

I can see the 60fps during scrolling even through my mediocre screen's ghosting

[thick elk]

Also lcd vs oled matters here. I definitely noticed the difference from 60hz oled to 120hz lcd with oled having clear advantages.

[smoky frigate]

but I also trained my brain to detect it, so it does

[astral haven]

Unless you dim the oled too much lel

Or if you have a good lcd

But yea 120hz Samsung oled is the current meta

[thick elk]

definitely, either way I mostly get used to it, so sure there are better things but the screen on my €250 poco 3x pro still falls under good enough.

[smoky frigate]

poco gang!

[astral haven]

https://9to5mac.com/2023/03/27/iphone-15-display-problems-lead-apple-to-drop-boe-for-now/
Apple finding it out the hard way

For the second time I think?

[steep creek]

lol

yeah i believe they dropped them in 2022 as well

[final flame]

Boe more like Pos

[astral haven]

well the options are lg and boe if you dont want samsung

and lg phone tech is what burned apple the first time

[final flame]

Tis was a joke

[astral haven]

yea well its true tho is the problem

[final flame]

Wasn't Samsung trying to prevent other display manufacturers from making oleds and importing them

[astral haven]

sorta?

they were stopping all displays that werent theirs that used their pixel pattern

but theres no way for that to be checked, so that would have been the end result

what they were trying to do was prevent repaired screens from being sold

[final flame]

Yea

[astral haven]

banning the import of boe and lg would have been an "unintentional" side effect 😛

Techpowerup finished updating their charts

path tracing (100% RT)

Raytracing (RT effects on top of rasterizing

[final flame]

Kinda insane how Nvidia just dominates amd for just pure performance

[astral haven]

yea its almost like their 20 years of working in rt for Provis and movie studios has paid off

[final flame]

Well I mean for pt it's a complete domination

[astral haven]

and for no rt, amd is definetly winning at least at the same price

[astral haven]

the other thing to keep in mind is nvidias rt units accelerate 100% of the raycasting
where on amd half of the raycast is calculated on the shader cores

Both do Ray triangle intersection, but only nvidia does BVH traversal

neither accelerate building the BVH tho

[ashen spindle]

arc does quite bad for what it spends on RT die area

[unique lark]

I don't understand why benchmarks just never include the 3080ti

[astral haven]

its between the 3090 and 3080

[final flame]

I mean the 2080 isn't included either

[ashen spindle]

its basically a 3090 with less ram, so take 3090 and remove 2% and you have 3080ti

[astral haven]

i mean arc does much worse per die area for the shading, so relatively speaking its doing better on the rt lel

nah, noone runs rt natively at 4k

for 8k monitors you run 1440p

for 4k monitors you run 1080p

1440p you probably also want to run 1080p tbh

[final flame]

Meanwhile PlayStation over here claiming to do 8k and Ray tracing

[astral haven]

yea 8k rays lel

[unique lark]

Yeah just in the past and future (as seen with the 4060/4060ti etc) they include all cards just singled out the 3080ti

[ashen spindle]

both consoles claim the same but neither claim highest resolution with RT

[astral haven]

^

[final flame]

Yea

[ashen spindle]

you have limited space on a graph and if you have 2 basically indentically products no point in having boht

[astral haven]

this is one of the few times it could possibly make a difference tho

[unique lark]

I suppose

[astral haven]

but yea its halfway between the 3080 and 3090 usually

[ashen spindle]

so you look at the case where the 3080 is more than 10% away and only there you then look at vram usage or such

[astral haven]

also in pure raster, its pretty crazy how the 4090 keeps so far ahead

[final flame]

Uhh

[ashen spindle]

N36 the promised one we needed but not the one we deserve

[astral haven]

wha

[ashen spindle]

36 was the bigger GCD design that didnt make it

[wheat plume]

Yeah
This is talking about Pixel specifically.... Lol

What skin is that?? I dont recognize it

[final flame]

It's Samsung's one ui 2 I think

[wheat plume]

Wat

[final flame]

I don't know what one ui version they're on rn

[wheat plume]

Oh hmm
My bad
I've only seen OneUI with dark theme applied :') yeah that is it

[final flame]

Specifically it's one UI core

Takes out all of the crap one ui has

[astral haven]

same except not using heathen light mode

[wheat plume]

O.o

[astral haven]

https://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s21_s21_plus_s21_ultra_android_14_one_ui_6_beta-news-59966.php
hype tho

[wheat plume]

The OneUI 6 quick settings page is so cool when you expand it fully

[final flame]

Samsung did a good job with the light mode design, it looks good
Light mode can be really nice when implemented right

[astral haven]

but also light mode on an oled is heresy

[final flame]

Welp I'm on a LCD so

[astral haven]

lcd on a samsung is also heresy

[final flame]

This phone was 75 bucks, I'm not complaining

[astral haven]

doesnt make it any less heretical

[final flame]

When the display ends up costing more than the phone kekw

[astral haven]

eh oleds are cheap now

lcds have a ton of parts

they arent cheaper yet at the bottom end

but its getting close

[latent mural]

https://www.amazon.com/HUANUO-Dual-Monitor-Stand-Adjustable/dp/B07T5SY43L/ref=sr_1_1_sspa maybe someone knows if these are reliable monitor arms?

[final flame]

What desk are you using first

[latent mural]

Uhm

A desk yes

[final flame]

Is it made from actual wood

[wheat plume]

I bought a dual monitor mount for my monitors that was extremely cheap
And it's reliable

A pain in the ass to adjust the height but still reliable

[latent mural]

Its a thick wooden plate

[final flame]

Aight then it'll be fine, as long as it's actual wood and not the IKEA cardboard and veneer

[latent mural]

No no

[latent mural]

I see tyvm

[latent mural]

Tyvm too

[wheat plume]

I don't even screw in the screw that attaches the arm to the mount on the back of the monitor cause it slides in from the top so gravity will keep them in place :')

[astral haven]

I cant do that lel, i swing my arm over me while i am lying in bed
if it falls off its gonna hurt

[wheat plume]

the Deck keeps reverting back to 60Hz anytime I connect it backj to the Dock

[wheat plume]

Gnome desktop Overview

The greatest way to multitask I've ever seen in any OS

[crisp granite]

try stage manager

it's LIFE CHANGING

just ask @dawn epoch

[wheat plume]

That weird sideways app thing? I haven't seen it in action before

That isn't what was implied but ok

[crisp granite]

no, it was

[wheat plume]

Xd

[crisp granite]

just one more example proving the case

[wheat plume]

You can't say much without giving this a try

Same for me and stage manager though

The new horizontal one?

I just saw stage manager video
It seems nice to use on iPads more than desktop but idk haven't tried it

[astral haven]

i prefer just having a ton of monitors

[wheat plume]

The way gnome did it before 43 was better with vertical workspaces

Better on dual monitor anyway

The horizontal looks nicer though but more annoying on multi monitor

[astral haven]

more the whole not needing your os to handle tabbing if you just have everything open

[wheat plume]

I never use alt tab

I always make use of virtual workspace
Except on windows cause they suck on there

[astral haven]

alt tab, windows tab, ctrl tab whatever

i have all 3 bound on my mouse at home
only alt and ctrl tab here at work

same, tho more because I always need access to everything

[wheat plume]

I never used them until switching to gnome desktop
Gnome desktop made them so nice to use I got used to it

[wheat plume]

Wtf is this

[astral haven]

Nvidia desktop manager
it allows me to show you what apps i have open on my monitors without doxing myself

[wheat plume]

What happens in Stage Manager if you have so many windows open that aren't from the same app?

Does it turn into a scrollable list along the side?

Cause it groups windows from the same app
But if all the windows aren't the same app what happens?

[astral haven]

I was gonna check but it seems like its not available on monterey, and apple stopped supporting this mac

and i ultra CBA to pull out the POS m1 mac that we bought more recently

[wheat plume]

How old is the Mac you have?? Cause usually they get like 4 MacOS upgrades right??

[astral haven]

2014 mac mini

[wheat plume]

Ahhh

[astral haven]

still better than m1

[wheat plume]

Maybe for desktop yeah

But it's way better on laptop due to efficiency

[astral haven]

compared to this 10 year old cpu yea

[wheat plume]

Xd

Oh
You still need to alt tab when using Stage Manager if you have more than one window open for an app ....

[astral haven]

yea thats not gonna work for me lel

one bit of good news tho
the 15 pros both support video out via usb c!!!!

its only screen mirroring for now, but they can fix that later

[wheat plume]

Android 14 QPR1 Beta1: Pixel
Launcher is experimenting with a new "floating" search bar". Back a year and a half ago, the Pixel Launcher app had an
ENABLE_FLOATING_SEARCH_BAR flag that essentially just pinned the search bar in the app box to the bottom of the screen and above the keyboard.
In a fresh build, as spotted by Mishaal Rahman, this experiment was continued, and now the search bar literally floats and is available even from the recent app overview. All this is accompanied by pleasant animations.
Fortunately, anyone can try it even without root access using the ADB Command:
adb shell device_config put launcher ENABLE_FLOATING_SEARCH_BAR true
adb shell am force-stop com.google. android. apps.nexu slauncher (stops Pixel Launcher to apply the flag)

[astral haven]

well as long as it goes away outside of the launcher

[wheat plume]

I think it looks too crowded in the recent apps screen

But I like the animation when switching between different states

[astral haven]

i think the empty space currently in the recents screen is dumb

[wheat plume]

It's not that bad

I still prefer the recent apps screen on MIUI

[astral haven]

that a regular sized pixel or an xl?

maybe its different between the two, that doesnt look that bad

[wheat plume]

I have a Pixel ROM port on my phone taken from the 6a

And the 6A is a tiny screen

This is the MIUI recents

It scrolls the apps vertically

(idk wtf is happening in the status bar)

[astral haven]

samsung used to have a second version for when you had a bajillion apps open

[wheat plume]

I think you can get that back using Good Lock app

Let's you change your recent apps layout

[astral haven]

oh it was under the samsung home customization that i never installed because i use my own launcher

[wheat plume]

Maybe you can still get it with Good Lock

I don't see how that's tied to launcher but who knows with Samsung

Good Lock is only available in some regions and some Samsung phones though ;_;

[astral haven]

nah the name of the good lock module for it was called home up

i never installed it since i dont use samsungs home screen

[wheat plume]

Oohh right

[astral haven]

but now i have and its nice

[wheat plume]

I still really hate Samsung's icon pack

Android 14 QPR1 Beta1: New webcam mode via USB connection.

When connecting Android smartphone via USB cable to PC, there is a new "Webcam" preference. Once activated, the system will display notification from "Webcam Service" Clicking on it will allow you to customize the use of your smartphone's camera.
It is possible to set 1x or 2x zoom, as well as switch to the front camera. On a PG, the camera will appear as Android Webcam, and, at least on Windows, you can also rotate the video streamed from the smartphone camera.

[astral haven]

Very noice

Very customizeable

[wheat plume]

Love how you mentioned how much screen space is empty earlier
Then you show this xxdf

[astral haven]

I tried finding the most stupid Config lel

Is kinda jankish but I like the options

[astral haven]

This tho is real cool

i hope samsung implements it

[wheat plume]

This is jank xd

[astral haven]

Yea the circular mode or whatever that's called just isn't working well
Here it is with circle mode off

[wheat plume]

Oh that's slightly better

[astral haven]

Should darken the area behind the buttons to make the buttons stand out more
But eh

[wheat plume]

How do I download from Pinterest without an account?

[wheat plume]

Nah
Samsung love the floating bottom look

[thorny mirage]

What happened to Samsung sam 🥹

[wheat plume]

I just found something interesting

Reddit supports the new Predictive Back Gesture

[vagrant pagoda]

but the reddit app sucks

[wheat plume]

Yep

But I must use it now .-. Cause Infinity no longer works because of the API charges

[misty saffron]

so… i find this very hard to believe

it was barely warm

wyd apple

[vagrant pagoda]

Internal ≠ external

[halcyon moss]

Relay

[severe phoenix]

I just don't use reddit on my phone anymore

Super easy

[pale sigil]

@wheat plume so that's why they delayed

[zenith silo]

Wonder how much it cost/how much gold it's coated with

[digital cliff]

same, the last time I opened reddit was the day before the api change lol

[old marlin]

sorry, already got this beast

[fair gull]

prob not much like most gold coated things

not to mention they said golden not gold

so it might be nordic gold or smth else golden

ngl i thought they were all 2 year EOL because 6 eyars sounds insane for linux's way of existing

[cursive summit]

https://www.phoronix.com/review/linux66-epyc-xeon

[fair gull]

i think the pace of kernel development and the fact linux is so fractured into often times rolling release distros also works fully against it

idk how to spell that word

no pace

paece

pase

pasce

[shadow minnow]

Good way to discourage HP from the printer BS would be to order them to refund all cartridge orders during the times that third party cartridges were blocked, instead of fines as small to be counted as operating expenses

[fair gull]

dont use HP easy fix

[cursive summit]

YES YES YES https://x.com/openai/status/1704545442749628695?s=46&t=iSzqyeqjxAsShT6lTSyBFw

OpenAI (@OpenAI)

Our new text-to-image model, DALL·E 3, can translate nuanced requests into extremely detailed and accurate images.

Coming soon to ChatGPT Plus & Enterprise, which can help you craft amazing prompts to bring your ideas to life:

https://t.co/jDXHGNmarT

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DALL·E 3

[cursive summit]

HOL UP

It can do text now?

AI finally understands text?

[fair gull]

it

did for a long time

[reef patrol]

That was literally the whole idea of DALL-E?

You'd provide it a prompt and it tried to do it for you.

[cursive summit]

Dalle2 cannot do text

[fair gull]

the main issue was correctly interpreting the text

[reef patrol]

Yes it could?

[cursive summit]

No, it could not

[reef patrol]

How do you define text?

[ashen spindle]

This is about getting the text right in the image

Not about the prompt

[reef patrol]

AHH

[cursive summit]

All text-to-image models so far have had a clue what text is, but not how to make it actually mean something

[reef patrol]

[cursive summit]

This is finally an AI model that knows what text means

[ashen spindle]

Not quite

[fair gull]

not even what the image shows you posted

lol

theres a red arrow to point out what quin mentioned

[cursive summit]

Well, yes

AI now knows how to make text actually mean something

Rather than gibberish

[ashen spindle]

It can display what we see as text, that’s different from it understanding text

This is just visual still but more trained focus on getting fonts right and with the right letters etc.

[obsidian ridge]

it also seems to understand better how to construct an image with separate definitions for each region. mj had a tough time with more than 1 subject matter

the avocado in therapy image is the best example of it

and also it being able to keep the character context across different images (i.e. storyboarding)

rip webcomic artists

[wheat plume]

https://youtu.be/rVW0Ay_qYSY

😍

[old marlin]

another round of the mildest updates in history?

[cursive summit]

That slow down your phone and make you buy a new one faster

No thanks, don't need it

[old marlin]

that would be more down to whoever customized the version for you phone

and not android 14 in general

[wheat plume]

AFAIK Google dont throttle older Pixels

but I will look that up to make sure

[fair gull]

well new os which does more needs more resources so yes the phone slows down

if noticable or not depends on the phones hardware

[wheat plume]

Yeah, but its not a malicious / deliberate change by the OEM to force an upgrade of hardware

[old marlin]

doesn't need more resources if the new features are close to nonexistant

[wheat plume]

I also doubt the new features on this need more resources

few new lock screen clock faces, searhc bar that appears in more places than usual, per app Language selection etc etc

🤔 is he making a freaking Gnome desktop visual novel? xd

[halcyon moss]

weebs gonna weeb

[young pecan]

You mean the phone isn’t a black box with infinite power?

https://tenor.com/view/no-this-is-a-bucket-gasp-no-way-gif-18649024

[ashen spindle]

Only the bucket has infinite power

[reef patrol]

Not THE BUCKET

Excel TWO

[steep creek]

now with chatgpt

[ashen spindle]

Clippy 2.0

[steep creek]

aha

[reef patrol]

EXCEL - TWO

[steep creek]

or maybe copilot because of the plugin thingy they made

no idea hah

[halcyon moss]

the python integration with excel?

[steep creek]

aah so many pilots

wonder where cortana was to begin with, lol

it was never available in my region

maybe this will be

[gusty kiln]

https://moondroplab.com/en/graph

[severe phoenix]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USQxZc9nmtE

[ashen spindle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CMGdhtDlqI

love ians freudian slip of calling LPG lower performance instead of low power

[astral haven]

Yee

He also messed up soc and io tile a bunch, and he also never elaborated about tile 5 being the interposer

[ashen spindle]

well io tile soc tile is often referring to similar things so that makes sense, especialyl with different namings on different cpus

[steep creek]

this generation looks sweet, im excited to see its power efficiency

[ashen spindle]

this mobile* generation yes

[steep creek]

yep

[reef patrol]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_N3Li7T5_kY

Interesting.

[cursive summit]

Hmm https://youtu.be/Ut4y97xu0NM

Anti-lag+ is actually good eh

[gusty kiln]

• is only 7000 right?

[cursive summit]

yes

RDNA3 only the fucks

At least I'll get FSR3 on this card

[astral haven]

nvidias fg is a real disappointment for latency
i do remember previous versions of radeon antilag being pretty atrocious

[pale sigil]

Ye I heard a lot of issues with latency

It is early tech, DLSS wasn't really super great at first either.

[ashen spindle]

vastly different reasons though

[astral haven]

actually tbh it wasnt that different

[cursive summit]

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/nvidia-dlss-35-tested-ai-powered-graphics-leaves-competitors-behind

Not bad at all

[pale sigil]

1080p perf 💀

Rip 1440p

What graphic preset

[astral haven]

these are fsr/dlss upscaling disabled tho

rt overdrive preset

[pale sigil]

No?

[pale sigil]

It says quality mode upscaling

[astral haven]

FG not upscaling

[pale sigil]

Never said it was

[astral haven]

oh wait wtf

[ashen spindle]

I dont think you can enable FG without the rest

[pale sigil]

💀

[cursive summit]

Afaik FG does not work without DLSS upscaling

[astral haven]

thats so shite

wtf

[ashen spindle]

thats how they mask part of the lag, you can onyl use it by also having reflex on so people often compare no reflex vs FG+reflex

[cursive summit]

I don't know though how if they built in the RR part into the upscaler or is it a toggle switch

What's the negative downside of turning it on permanently?

[astral haven]

according to nvidia its just better

[ashen spindle]

its essentially just a better denoiser for RT

[astral haven]

it just requires hooking deeper into the rendering

[cursive summit]

Raytracing needs denoising?

[ashen spindle]

lmfao

yes

extremely so

[pale sigil]

The new does it run crysis benchmark

[cursive summit]

Idk, I'm not sure how all this works, sorry for amusing you

[astral haven]

nah just use actual crysis remastered lel

[pale sigil]

Again though

What preset is this

Medium? High? Ultra?

[astral haven]

rt overdrive is the preset

[cursive summit]

Only high ever makes sense

[pale sigil]

My dude, it says quality

[ashen spindle]

quake rtx without denoiser

[cursive summit]

dlss is set to quality

[pale sigil]

And? The game itself has its own presets

[cursive summit]

Well afaik there are 3 different presets

[astral haven]

nah there are like 9

[cursive summit]

Game quality presets, DLSS presets and RTX presets

[pale sigil]

Usually you set graphics then DLSS on top

Exactly

I wanna know game quality

[cursive summit]

Game quality prolly on high/ultra, DLSS is on quality and RTX is on overdrive

[astral haven]

low mid high ultra, rt mid rt high rt ultra rt overdrive

[pale sigil]

Prolly ain't an answer

Link the article

[astral haven]

overdrive is the name of the preset

[cursive summit]

I think it's on Ultra

[pale sigil]

[astral haven]

its called RT overdrive jesus christ folks

[pale sigil]

I see

So none of the above

[astral haven]

???

[pale sigil]

Guessing it changes dynamically

Via upscaling vs the usual?

[astral haven]

?????

[pale sigil]

I don't bloody know

This doesn't really tell me what the graphics are

[cursive summit]

What are you talking about my man

Ultra?

[ashen spindle]

highest setting

[pale sigil]

Oh

Ty

[cursive summit]

Well, what quin said

[astral haven]

its a special rendering mode

its not the same as anything else

[pale sigil]

So there's no middle ground?

[astral haven]

would tend to doubt it

[cursive summit]

It's called medium

[astral haven]

PT is gonna slaughter your fps

once you go from hybrid to PT its gonna just kill fps

https://tpucdn.com/review/cyberpunk-2077-phantom-liberty-benchmark-test-performance-analysis/images/vram.png

[cursive summit]

Ngl Nvidia makes a very compelling argument why not go AMD

[astral haven]

heres vram usage, dlss manually disabled

[cursive summit]

If only they didn't overprice their shit

[astral haven]

🤷 overprice

[cursive summit]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOhK4V9lGtU

[astral haven]

nvidia prices to the performance of the complete system
if you would pay 10% more on a 5k computer for 10% more performance, that could be $500 on the gpu for 10% more performance

[ashen spindle]

this powerdraw though

[astral haven]

you maynot like it but nvidia hates enthusiasts, they target the mainstream who buys prebuilts

[cursive summit]

That really does succ

Ryzen is so much power efficient lol

It has to be just Intel's node

[steep creek]

if i recall right, is intel more efficient in standby or when idling?

[astral haven]

i mean that is part of it

the bigger part is chiplet yea

amd sacrifices standby power to get a much better node for the cores

at least per the price

[steep creek]

yeah

[astral haven]

the cpu would cost amd 6x as much to match the standby power

[steep creek]

thats more than i expected to be honest, guess the trade off is worth it

[astral haven]

now to be fair intels current p core design is also pretty shit, and amds margins are large enough that they could probably still profit at 6x

with the same cpu cost

the intel n300 is proof that their node can be efficient

8 cores, very close to 100w 9900k performance at 15 watts

[steep creek]

thats decent, i think that they shouldnt add too many cores since its support is limited

[astral haven]

but amd also has proof that their design can be low idle power and just chose not to do it
eg chromebook processors

[steep creek]

or utilization

[astral haven]

they just announced a 288 core server cpu yesterday lel

[rough osprey]

Intel designs for cinebench

[astral haven]

wrong

intel designs for embree, which cinebench doesnt use but happens to correlate with

[steep creek]

haha 288, any particular server use case for it?

[astral haven]

COARZ

just moar coarz

[steep creek]

fair, big number looks good right

[astral haven]

their chiplet design could handle 2 of the 144 core chiplets they designed

and the socket was big enough to fit it so they just YEET

[steep creek]

with some server infrastructure changing to amd, im unsure if they would bother spending the extra for intel lol. its an interesting decision

[steep creek]

that is funny hah

[astral haven]

they bother spending the "extra" for intel because intel actually has cpus in stock lel

[ashen spindle]

the issue is they release 2024 which means they compete vs Zen5c cores

[steep creek]

aha right, stock issues

[astral haven]

amd sells every chip they make and then some, same story as intel 5 years back

[ashen spindle]

the 288 cores is a design that's fun to see but wont move any real volume

[astral haven]

yup

[steep creek]

yep

[astral haven]

they just make it because they already have all the parts

also gotta have the halo part

[ashen spindle]

people thought it was canned because no customer wanted it but I guess they showed it could exist

[steep creek]

if i blind guess seems to me they are just trying to rid of excess parts, lol

[astral haven]

nah

[ashen spindle]

nah it's probably a mix of showing stuff to investor who dont fully understand things and getting some technical experience from a design

[astral haven]

its modular so they could choose to just not make many of them and instead put the parts on a smaller chip

[steep creek]

yah fair, 288 seems too much for such a thing

[astral haven]

its 2 of the 144 core chiplets

they were already making the 144c cpu, and it would only have cost them a few dozen bucks to manuyfacture, the hard part is the interposer which they just need to design once

[ashen spindle]

and remember bergamo (zen4C) might only have 128 cores but they are fully zen4 design including hyperthreading so they already have 256 threads vs the 288 threads coming next year from intel

[steep creek]

aha i see, i wasnt aware they were already making the 144 core

[ashen spindle]

so it's a cool product to see, but you wont see it anywhere really

[steep creek]

yep

[ashen spindle]

but hey if you cant even show next gen desktop on the innovation event you gotta show something

[astral haven]

i really want them to make a 432 core using 3 of the core chiplets

[ashen spindle]

idk if that would be possible to feed the cores and all

[astral haven]

also keep in mind intel does dual socket afaik

[ashen spindle]

dont think they do for clearwater

[steep creek]

lol, on paper i would like to see the power requirments of such a chip

[astral haven]

not that high
e cores remembner

remember an e core can be as low as 1/8th the power of an intel p core

[steep creek]

interesting, no p cores at all?

[astral haven]

correct

[steep creek]

aha

[ashen spindle]

also bergamo does dual socket

[astral haven]

for server you gotta buy the cpu with the cores you need

[steep creek]

do they make any p core server cpus though, im unsure

[astral haven]

i thought they specified bergamo was only p models, or am i thinking of the newer smaller chips?

[astral haven]

absolutely

[ashen spindle]

bergamo is zen4c, sienna is the recently launched GMI-W version

[astral haven]

32-40 cores per chiplet, up to 3 chiplets

[astral haven]

btw same iodie confirmed

[ashen spindle]

sienna is only single socket I think

[steep creek]

very cool, thanks for the chat my study break is up

[cursive summit]

Heeeey https://blogs.microsoft.com/blog/2023/09/21/announcing-microsoft-copilot-your-everyday-ai-companion/

Cortana 2.0!

Bonzi buddy the new iteration

[astral haven]

ooh yea bergamo is 2p max sweet

[cursive summit]

Wasn't the whole AI thing meant to be a Win12 feature

i hope they scrap win12 cause fuck me they really want to abandon 11 eh

[ashen spindle]

the worst part about learning more about tech and talking to people who know even more, you get tiny spoils of future stuff and you know they know but you wont know so I'm here waiting for mi300 at SC23 while those people start wanting mi400 lmfao

[cursive summit]

We'll settle with at least mi350

[astral haven]

oh dang intel really screwed up this time
Sierra forest is 2p only even tho it uses the granite rapids chiplet that is capable of 8P

[cursive summit]

AYO https://spectrum.ieee.org/ai-chip-sambanova

[astral haven]

thats pretty good

[ashen spindle]

Yeah intel is going to be squeezed till lunar lake and co at the very least

[cursive summit]

https://www.eetimes.com/sambanova-adds-hbm-for-llm-inference-chip/

[astral haven]

that chip is gonna be damn expensive tho

[cursive summit]

SN40L uses a combination of 64 GB HBM3, 1.5 TB of DDR5 DRAM and 520 MB SRAM per package (across both compute chiplets).

[astral haven]

oh

ew

nvm

[cursive summit]

@ashen spindle we can mix and match HBM and DDR5?

How does that work

[astral haven]

tiering

[cursive summit]

I know there's research done into slapping HBM straight onto the CPU die or something

[astral haven]

think of it like a gpu

[ashen spindle]

intel gpu max series

[cursive summit]

Right, and what does that have to do with this

[cursive summit]

So is the HBM on the die

[ashen spindle]

ah great the resolution is shite

[astral haven]

hbm is always off the die

but think like x3d

but higher capacity but slower

[cursive summit]

So they just slapped HBM straight onto the CPU die?

[astral haven]

basically yes

[cursive summit]

So it's like a new layer of cache or something

[astral haven]

yep

except you can also use it as dram

[ashen spindle]

like a chiplet but its just ram

[cursive summit]

So, question, why don't all CPUs just have that?

512mb of HBM on Ryzen 5

[ashen spindle]

because it cost a lot and does nothing for most

[mild dome]

Yep

[cursive summit]

Could be useful for loading up software into fast memory

DDR5 I think is a lot slower than HBM last I checked

[astral haven]

per cost? eh

[smoky frigate]

it's pretty based, but it's just DDR5? I would have been hoping for something more newfangled

[mild dome]

That would be rather niche wouldn't it?

[astral haven]

the main use would be for mobile where you want tiiiiiiiiiiiny chips

and with a powerful gpu

[mild dome]

Loading a single program into 0,5GB of chiplet HBM just to get 0.1seconds of faster load times for the consumer?

[cursive summit]

Well tbf I just want an APU with something like 20CUs of RDNA3.5, 6-8 cores with multithreading and 8GB of HBM

With DDR5 optional

[astral haven]

nah, a ton of load times is repeated operations

[cursive summit]

Essentially an APU that has everything a system needs

[ashen spindle]

hbm is not a magic stick that is like L3 cache levels of speed

[astral haven]

you would use hbm alone
16gb of hbm, no ddr5

[mild dome]

That sounds costly doesn't it?

[astral haven]

makes for a tiny chip that is very high performance

[cursive summit]

It's still pretty damn fast though, moreso than DDR

[astral haven]

hbm always is

[astral haven]

kinda sorta
ddr is better perf/dollar

[ashen spindle]

it has high bandwidth but high latency so you dont want it for your cpu on desktop

[cursive summit]

I mean, you are getting a pretty damn top-end performance package so, idk what you'd price that at, 700$?

[astral haven]

actually no

[cursive summit]

8GB of HBM is prolly a lot more expensive than that

[astral haven]

hbm is lower latency than ddr5 or lpddr5

at least hbm3 is

[ashen spindle]

ok yeah the unreleased memory lmfao

[astral haven]

its just horrifically expensive

[astral haven]

you mean the stuff on h100?

hbm3e is unreleased, and its even more faster

hbm1 was rather high latency

hbm2 matched

[mild dome]

I mean for a consumer desktop application is it viable to have HBM with the chip?
If it was then why hasn't anyone done it yet?

[ashen spindle]

are you sure that hbm3 version is out already?

[astral haven]

extremely expensive

[astral haven]

100%
im going based off of h100

[cursive summit]

Isn't it in mass production

[ashen spindle]

h100 NVL is coming H2 this year but I cant remember a launch

[astral haven]

also AMD has done it many times for their gpus

[mild dome]

Is Vex's estimate of $700 accurate?

[cursive summit]

HBM3 last I checked was in some low-cost production mode in Samsung

[astral haven]

all h100 have hbm3

[mild dome]

I know they did, but I vaguelly recall that didn't work out too well

[fickle ore]

y in the fk are u guys discussing h100, none of u will ever even see one

[astral haven]

yep because it was horrifically expensive

[astral haven]

$700 for what?

[cursive summit]

Well, Radeon VII packed a bunch of HBM2 (16GB) or so and it was 700$

[ashen spindle]

ohh right was thinking of the pcie H100 that has hbm2e

[pale sigil]

I've seen a h100

Just not the one you're on about

[ashen spindle]

anyway for desktop it makes no sense so you wont see it

[pale sigil]

[cursive summit]

HBM is supposed to be becoming a lot cheaper to make as well

[astral haven]

but nowhere near as cheap as lpddr

[ashen spindle]

doesnt matter if it becomes cheaper it isnt a superiror ram for all things

by the time that might change we're on like ddr7 or something

[astral haven]

and phones all use lpddr

which isnt as low latency but is incredible bandwidth for the price

[mild dome]

I vaguelly recall reading that DDR was gonna be replaced by some super cool resistive memory that in theory was superior in every regard
Suppose that didn't work out

[astral haven]

optane

and you are correct that it didnt work out

[ashen spindle]

optane was great just production cost never got low enough

[astral haven]

tbh that wasnt even the problem

16 gb of optane cost the same as 4gb of ddr4

the problem is that intel never supported using it as dram for the consumer

[gusty kiln]

https://www.techpowerup.com/313902/boox-introduces-palma-a-mighty-6-13-mobile-epaper-device

[mild dome]

ReRAM was meant to be faster then DDR tech, I don't think Optane was the same thing though it did seem to use a similar concept of resistive cells.

[astral haven]

reram is just more expensive implementation of optane

basically optane - 3dxpoint

[smoky frigate]

interesting form factor

[cursive summit]

I loved the Optane accelerator PCIe cards they had

Making HDD's survive just a bit more was cool

[astral haven]

yea and that was such a garbage use of the tech

literally as bad a tech demo as you could possibly make

[gusty kiln]

I wonder what is the refresh rate

[cursive summit]

Can I just ask what's the point of that?

It's 279.99$ with what, LCD display?

[astral haven]

eink

and the point is eink

[cursive summit]

You are not far off of AMOLED at that price

[astral haven]

eink can be brighter than amoled

[gusty kiln]

Eink looks better in daylight too

[astral haven]

^ that is how

[cursive summit]

Phones look perfectly fine in daylight?

[astral haven]

lol no

[smoky frigate]

absolutely not

[astral haven]

take a phone, put it in direct sunlight

[cursive summit]

Wait so it's not a smartphone

It's an expensive e-reader

[astral haven]

correct, its an ereader

[cursive summit]

Why not just get a kindle

Or a smartphone

[astral haven]

kindle doesnt support android apps

and smartphone has a much dimmer display

eink in direct sunlight is 30k nits

highest oleds are 2k

[smoky frigate]

personally this form factor wouldn't be good for long-term reading, but to have a smartphone-like device with e-ink display is kinda quirky

[gusty kiln]

Website have no mention of refresh rate number

[astral haven]

because its not a single number

[astral haven]

its the most used form factor for reading currently

[cursive summit]

These things have a refresh rate?

[smoky frigate]

e-ink doesn't have a refresh rate per se, it depends on user action

[gusty kiln]

Max refresh is what I'm looking for

[astral haven]

that is wrong

[west vessel]

Damn viper v3 hyperspeed actually looks good

[astral haven]

its just looooooow

[gusty kiln]

30hz for video would be usable kek

[cursive summit]

I don't see any use for this lol

[smoky frigate]

a phone screen refreshes even when it is "still", e-ink doesn't do that is my point

[smoky frigate]

nevar!

[astral haven]

mine doesnt

[astral haven]

yea well think more like 10 or 15

[cursive summit]

Okay now I see the point of this device

It's a smart alarm clock

[astral haven]

-_-

[gusty kiln]

Oof, but plenty for intended eink use

[astral haven]

no think a kindle that can actually install custom apps

its only barely smaller than the current smallest kindles

[smoky frigate]

you don't think it's useful to you, therefore NOBODY will!!!

[steep creek]

eink is pretty cool for note taking as well, like the remarkeable 2 for example

[cursive summit]

Bud, I don't see why anybody would buy a separate device to read when they can do that on their phone, tablet, smartphone or a damn car entertainment panel

It's 280$

[astral haven]

vex

[smoky frigate]

my e-reader's screen tends to become unresponsive at sub-zero temperatures, is that normal btw?

[astral haven]

brightness

[astral haven]

very likely

[cursive summit]

This seems like a product to pitch to organizations like libraries

[steep creek]

lots of my classmates have it, fantastic brightness

[astral haven]

no, thats kindle

[smoky frigate]

reading on an e-ink display is much more pleasant even with backlight

[cursive summit]

People have this stuff?

[astral haven]

literally none of these are legible if you are outside in direct sunlight

[unique lark]

Don't forget e ink doesn't blast your eyes with blue light (gives me headaches/eye strain) it's like reading a BOOK

[steep creek]

yes its quite common, that and ipads. i would say eink is more comfortable to use

[smoky frigate]

book+ really

[unique lark]

Fr

[astral haven]

and if its running android, you can throw anything you want on there

[steep creek]

feels more like you are writing on paper too, ipad does not

[astral haven]

that is a design choice

independent from eink

[smoky frigate]

I should get a remarkable at one point as a replacement for irl notepads. is it good at reading books too? I have a Kobo Libra 2, which is pretty much fine

[steep creek]

yes true, forgot to specify i was talking about the remarkeable

[smoky frigate]

the kobo libra 2 does have some notetaking support, but it sux. can't edit them, clunky interface

[astral haven]

ive been really interested in the dual screen devices
oled on the front, RLCD or Eink on the back

[vagrant pagoda]

I always thought a keyboard cover with eink back would be king

[astral haven]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opN9gtlz4zQ

pretty normal sized

[vagrant pagoda]

Eink is paper thin

[smoky frigate]

what madness is this

[astral haven]

😁

a case could be cool too

[vagrant pagoda]

Issue is eink is low volume so custom size are loads of money

Which is why most eink devices that aren't ebooks are big money

[astral haven]

sure but there are eink screens of that size already

[vagrant pagoda]

Yesh

But then if the other device gets eol, then so does yours

[astral haven]

🤷

who gaf if its just a display

eg a case with an eink that flips around on top of your main display

[vagrant pagoda]

Yeah that's what I said

Keyboard foilo with eink in back would be king of productive

[astral haven]

and now with apple supporting DP out via usb c, you can design one interface that works for all devices

https://www.lg.com/us/mobile-accessories/lg-lmv605nausatb-v60-thinq-dual-screen

[smoky frigate]

oh man, I almost bought a V20 for funsies a while back. kinda glad I didn't

[astral haven]

why not tbh

[vagrant pagoda]

I wish Samsung would use pogo for their keyboards on tablets

[smoky frigate]

they are at the age now where they'll break even without human interference

[astral haven]

coworker using one of the lg dual screens and its still working great

[vagrant pagoda]

Last one I had was the dumb ass btle and it sucked so bad I returned it

You couldn't type fast or it would miss inputs

[astral haven]

pretty sure they do now?

[vagrant pagoda]

Mine was a tab S8 I think

If you did more than touch type it would miss 20% of inputs

Maybe it wasn't btle

What ever it was sucked

[astral haven]

the tab s9 has pins for the keeb

[vagrant pagoda]

I justed looked at the S9 keyboard and it has the same issues

Missing inputs and touchpad

So what ever they use sucks

Whether it's the KB or the interface

[smoky frigate]

also, the V20 has pretty anemic specs for its time, but uses a 1440p screen. you can't root it (easily) or really do a lot of anything with it, outside of its much-lauded DAC, which you can get better performing type C-adapters now. would have been a waste of cash all around for me

[astral haven]

was it the official samsung case?

[vagrant pagoda]

yes

[astral haven]

can you check if it had pins?

[vagrant pagoda]

i dont have it

but

the s9 keyboard has the same reviews

[astral haven]

also keep in mind the lower models for some godforsaken reason were different

[vagrant pagoda]

it was a s8

the big one

[astral haven]

not the ultra?

[vagrant pagoda]

is that the 15?

[astral haven]

ultra is 15 yea

[vagrant pagoda]

gonna go with they didnt fix the keyboard

[astral haven]

interesting

[vagrant pagoda]

yeah its horrible

missing keys dose ok in android as corerction is good

but it makes it useless for remote work

[astral haven]

very annoying

[steep creek]

Ah I was hoping for a surface pro update today, seems there only was a surface pro studio and go

[astral haven]

well the main guy pushing surface just quit yesterday lel

[steep creek]

Dang bad timing lol

[ashen spindle]

yeah and apparently he left because they wouldnt do more than default surface anymore, no budget to try out new things

[steep creek]

Hm doesn’t seem like it’s getting that much priority

[gusty kiln]

Surface duo prob tanked the budget

[astral haven]

the new surface go is a pretty fast cpu despite being low end

[steep creek]

Yeah, I was sort of hoping it would replace my laptop sometime, could take notes on it too

Don’t think go has these capabilities

[astral haven]

why not?

think 6700k performance

[steep creek]

For performance sure but for note taking I’d prefer something thin and light like the surface or iPad

[astral haven]

surface Go

[steep creek]

I’ll look more into it

[astral haven]

also the laptop studio is shockingly light

basically the same as ipadpro+ keyboard case

[steep creek]

They don’t have it in stores here to teat but yeah I like it a lot

[astral haven]

its dumb expensive tho

[steep creek]

Not a lot of room in the lecture halls so 11” or 13 at max would be my limit, this so why the pro was appealing to me

[astral haven]

but the go is cheap, and the n200 is a sweet cpu
wish they put in an n300 but what can you do

laptop studio is 13

[steep creek]

Sweet

[astral haven]

and go is 11?

[steep creek]

It says 12.4 here,

https://www.theverge.com/2023/9/21/23882074/microsoft-surface-copilot-event-2023-biggest-announcements

[astral haven]

go 4 is 10.5

[steep creek]

Oh yea my bad I was reading about the other one

[astral haven]

studio is lorger, but still not 15

[steep creek]

The surface book was also quite nice because you could detach it from the keyboard. Most of the times I just need a pen for note taking in class

[vagrant pagoda]

tbo

[steep creek]

Very nice specifications on that one as well

[vagrant pagoda]

i loved the 15in tab

if only the keyboard didnt suck ass

[astral haven]

i have a book its actually not that great

laptop studio is better since it is muuuuuuch quicker to turn into just a tablet and has a much larger battery

i was very sad to have to give it to the user after setting it up

[steep creek]

Yes tbh the studio looks really nice, can also charge the pen on it

In my upcoming courses the graphics would also come in very handy, pro doesn’t have any dedicated gpu options so there’s that

But what’s the battery like for you when using it?

[astral haven]

i never got a chance to use the laptop studio on battery

[steep creek]

Ah no worries

[astral haven]

the book drains extremely quick when you pull off the keyboard with the main battery

[steep creek]

Yes I’d assume so hm

Unless the pro somehow comes out, I am more inclined towards the studio for now

[astral haven]

id wait for reviews of the go tho

again they doubled the speed of the cpu with less power

[steep creek]

For sure yea. I would probably go check it out in store as well

[steep creek]

This is really nice because I’m not always able to charge it

[astral haven]

dont forget to get one of the usbc to surface connect adapters

[steep creek]

My lenovo yoga sometimes has 2 hours of battery life and other times 7, lol

[astral haven]

like $10 and you can charge from many regular usbc chargers

[steep creek]

Yeah good advice

[astral haven]

altho wait nvm you dont need it any more it has native usb c

🤦

[steep creek]

lol

Hm the magnetic charger was quite nice though

[astral haven]

it has both

[steep creek]

Very cool I’d use that one the most, can’t tell you the times my classmates and I have almost tossed the laptop off the table lol

[astral haven]

usb c 20 pin magnetic adapters are like $5 on ali, $10 on amazon

ive bought over $100 of them

[steep creek]

Dont think Amazon is worth it unfortunately because of import duties, but some local stores most likely have them

[astral haven]

unlikely

[steep creek]

Hm

[astral haven]

at least not the good ones

[steep creek]

I guess one won’t hurt, if it’s good quality

[vagrant pagoda]

yeah they are dope

[astral haven]

they are also incredibly cheap

[astral haven]

yea youll have to order from aliexpress

[steep creek]

Looks nice, solid build

[astral haven]

definetly order in bulk

grab like 4 of the kits

[steep creek]

I’ll check it out

[steep creek]

Looks great

[smoky frigate]

prolapse phone

[steep creek]

Thanks for chat and advice, I have to go

Will check this out for sure, looks very useful

[cursive summit]

https://twitter.com/sadlyitsbradley/status/1704541680215413129

Brad Lynch (@SadlyItsBradley)

Amount of changes to the Internal-Valve version of Steam VR per month

They’ve been working very hard recently on what I’m expecting to be the legendary SteamVR 2.0 🥹

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Twitter · Sep 20, 2023, 5:03 PM

This can only mean one thing

SteamVR will get microtransactions

Mid-VR playthrough they will serve you ads and you will have to pay 20$ for a no-ad license

[wheat plume]

Don't think Valve is that greedy

Ooo
I wonder what that tablet would be like with Linux on it https://eu.chuwi.com/products/ubook-x-i5-10210y?variant=46924510134616

Heheh
Massive touchscreen Linux tablet sounds nice... especially since gnome desktop has touchscreen gestures and whatnot for navigation

[thick elk]

I am considering ordering one so I may be able to shed some light onto it.
The other chuwi tablet I own works fine on linux, using plasma but touch screen support isn't great in plasma / linux in general.
Sure I get keyboard prompts in kde applications but the keyboard kind of sucks and don't expect any of that in for example firefox or chrome.

I mostly use it for media consumption or with a keyboard attached.

[wheat plume]

Yeah but I wanna use Gnome on it

Cause I know that's great with touch and also has a nice UI for touch input too

https://www.android.com/get-the-message/

[thick elk]

doesn't change touch being broken in major things like browsers though.

[cursive summit]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZVv6WoUl4Y

[thick elk]

I will try gnome, fine

[cursive summit]

https://tenor.com/view/gnomed-gnome-meme-epic-prank-gif-13288669

Get ooh'd

[wheat plume]

Touch works fine on Chrome for me

But unreliable on Firefox

[thick elk]

On screen keyboard does not show on plasma at least

[wheat plume]

Hmmm
I haven't tried touchscreen on Gnome since my old laptop

My new laptop isn't touchscreen so my only Linux device with touchscreen RN is my Deck
And that's got its own keyboard you can activate

[thick elk]

manually activating it sure, but it's a pain + the on screen keyboard of plasma at least, does not have arrow keys / system keys, those are things you still need, for example in a terminal

[wheat plume]

I think gnome desktop has a keyboard toggle on the panel if you have accessibility services enabled from settings

You tap the icon and a drop down appears with options and one is the virtual keyboard

[thick elk]

you can add such a thing to plasma too, just makes it jankey and not something you would use most of the time, especially with the lack of navigation keys

[wheat plume]

Doesn't chrome on desktop have a touch mode?

It makes the UI larger

[thick elk]

Oh, on a 10 inch that is not needed, you can add scaling anyway

fractal scaling is a thing after all on wayland plasma

Looking at it there may be ways to improve things, still a keyboard makes everything much easier

which is fine since the bundle with one is still pretty cheap.