#🔌│tech
young pecan
cursive summit
That's what happens when you use openPGP for everything
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smoky frigate
I unironically don't even use a password because I am too lazy
it's gonna fuck me one day, but I'm saving aeons of time altogether
young pecan
Ok boys, we have a new brain rot take champion.
I wouldn't have been brave enough to try it but what the fuck do I know.
crisp granite
Ok boys, we have a new brain rot take champion.
and the competition was rather stout
so it is rather impressive
cursive summit
I unironically don't even use a password because I am too lazy
it's gonna fuck m...
Wait, wait, your sudo su has no password?
loud ember
That would be metal af
smoky frigate
yup. I keep thinking I should make one, but then "nah"
loud ember
Based
crisp granite
yup. I keep thinking I should make one, but then "nah"
cursive summit
Please tell me you at least make disc image backups regularly?
Like, once a week?
young pecan
Lmfao no goddamn chance.
Not that it would even help you because disk backups can get fucked as well.
smoky frigate
if I'm too lazy for a password, I'm not gonna bother with that either
and I do realize how extraordinarily stupid that is, don't worry
cursive summit
if I'm too lazy for a password, I'm not gonna bother with that either
Nah man just download FaceID copy off of github repo of sorts and use that
loud ember
The fact that this guy hasnt had problems yet is proof of something
cursive summit
Perfect security
young pecan
The fact that this guy hasnt had problems yet is proof of something
It's proof that luck exists, but always remember you only need to get unlucky once, whereas you need to get lucky all the time.
Think about it like driving a car, a seatbelt might not save you, but for the one fuckup it will you'd best be glad.
cursive summit
On Windows at least you have a lot more protection when your luck runs out
loud ember
It's proof that luck exists, but always remember you only need to get unlucky on...
Doesn't matter how much you put into security, you cant defend from something you dont know exists
young pecan
Please don't ever go into cybersecurity.
smoky frigate
you can follow a set of best practices to rule out the most obvious attack vectors (a password would be one of them!)
cursive summit
Please don't ever go into cybersecurity.
I won't 🙂
young pecan
- Passive Protection
- Adaptive antivirus
- Backup schemas
- DNS protection
- AI checking
- Polymorphic code
That's off the top of my head.
All of that is passive.
solar hinge
Depends on how much you're paying 😄
loud ember
1. Passive Protection
2. Adaptive antivirus
3. Backup schemas
4. DNS protection
...
Good job, and then when you get attacked from something that isnt that?
cursive summit
... backups?
solar hinge
I mean, I don't have plex
young pecan
That's what the polymorphic code and backups are for.
loud ember
What happens when your backup is hijacked?
cursive summit
Where tf are you storing it
crisp granite
do you not keep your backups OFF YOUR SYSTEM?
young pecan
That's what 3:2:1 and incremental full backups and config backups are for.
young pecan
Lmao no, Vex.
loud ember
What if there was a zero day for 3 years undetected throughout all those backups?
young pecan
3:2:1
3 backups of 2 kinds, 1 of which is stored off site.
hasty thunder
young pecan
What if there was a zero day for 3 years undetected throughout all those backups...
That's what polymorphic code is for.
cursive summit
There are some encrypted types of storage that you could prolly just keep connected at all times, but I don't specialize in infosec so I don't care much
Bitlocker goes brrt
cursive summit
Both solve day1 exploits.
Not 0-days? Amateur
young pecan
Like yeah I get, polymorphic is hard to work with and expensive as fuck, but under the right circumstance good luck getting through it.
hasty thunder
There are some encrypted types of storage that you could prolly just keep connec...
depends if it's salted or not. You can just as well just run it clear worded if you're believing that SHA is safe on its own
smoky frigate
I will eventually make a backup of my data vault, with tons of movies, music, etc on it. but nothing important is stored on my system drive. it could go up in flames now and all I'd need is a new NVMe drive
cursive summit
Actually, no
Certain exploits can hide in your hardware
So, you'd have to replace everything
young pecan
Oh and if we're talking about a 0day that snuck onto everything and went undetected for years? Yeah we had that it was called log4js and it caused an IMMENSE amount of problems.
hasty thunder
Certain exploits can hide in your hardware
you mean like Asus und their armory crate auto installer shit?
loud ember
Oh and if we're talking about a 0day that snuck onto everything and went undetec...
Thats what i borrowed that idea from
hasty thunder
cursive summit
you mean like Asus und their armory crate auto installer shit?
Oh god no
Not the armory crate
loud ember
It can always happen again
smoky frigate
actually, is there still a full copy of MINIX stored in every intel chipset, along with a web server?
young pecan
Yes and using the fact that log4js can happen is not a reason to go 'oh well, no security is fine'.
So no, Linux is still an insecure hellscape.
F tier OS for critical shit.
loud ember
Then why are so many companies using it for critical shit?
young pecan
Because it happens to be quick to work with and cheap. Don't mistake that for intelligence.
Basically.
And for a server you fuck off sudo once you're done with it.
cursive summit
Tbf Linux is just used for servers and not much else
young pecan
Like an actual OS with code signing should be working.
Or if you're based you use Talos LInux since it says 'no, sudo is cringe' and doesn't have it.
Most secure OS I've ever seen.
No shell, no terminal, no SSH, nothing.
You do API or fuck off.
cursive summit
or you just install hackintosh and be the actual based, chad user 
loud ember
My calculator is the most secure os. It only allows me to make calculation
cursive summit
I genuinely need to look up if hackintosh is even a thing anymore
It existed like 3 years back lol
young pecan
Niche circles it is.
steep creek
I genuinely need to look up if hackintosh is even a thing anymore
I believe not after since the introduction of the t series security chip
steep creek
Yah can probably jank together something
steep creek
Hah how wonderful
misty saffron
- kernel is digitally signed and your system won’t boot if binaries are modified
- do it in runtime (or in memory, rather) - get fucked by patchguard
so yeah
young pecan
^ There are ways around that, but like fr they are not anywhere near as simple as sudo.
And have no shred of hope for being done from a user.
misty saffron
of course there are always ways to disable patchguard, yes
nothing is impenetrable
crisp granite
fair gull
i mean arm pcs soon?
misty saffron
your anticheats are also signed, and the signature can be revoked at any time
cursive summit
Ah come on
crisp granite
Windows on ARM are a thing and have been for a long time
also that
fair gull
i mean a general non SBC arm computer
cursive summit
Reverse-hackintosh? Now that sounds interesting but still would be shit
crisp granite
but considering ARM based pcs were more of a joke than anything else
fair gull
with replacable cpu ram etc
crisp granite
Reverse-hackintosh? Now that sounds interesting but still would be shit
you mean a mac using Asahi linux?
yeah it is shit
but consistently getting better
smoky frigate
iirc there was a MIPS port of windows 2000 at one point
cursive summit
Anyways, speaking of Qualcomm and ARM on Windows https://english.newstracklive.com/news/qualcomms-snapdragon-8cx-gen-4-faces-challenges-sc71-nu384-ta384-1297350-1.html
Why must you suck 
8cx needs to get better, I want proper ARM with performance of M2 capable of Windows
cursive summit
Thing is, on paper 8cx gen 4 is incredible
I'm really not sure where Qualcomm is lacking tbf
The compute cores don't really appear to be an issue
Adrenos do kinda suck
cursive summit
Nvidia is too busy raking money from H100
smoky frigate
ermahgerd, the Tegra phones were a decade ago
cursive summit
I'd argue an RTX 4060 is pretty cheap entry for machine learning too 
Oh jesus these are cheap af
Although this seems like a far better buy https://www.ebay.de/itm/266255192426
Orin's pretty good
RTX 4060 is still prolly the cheapest entry for some solid machine learning though
CUDA is everything nowadays, it's sad
It should be open source
young pecan
Hey uhhhhh. Guys.
smoky frigate
I think the nvidia CEO would rather nail his dick to a burning log than to release any technology as open source
cursive summit
Hey uhhhhh. Guys.
What's up princess
young pecan
Any ideas on making a cheap as fuck compute box for LLMs? I have GPUs but like what hardware is good for this?
Can I do 1x PCIe per card? Do I need big CPU go brrrrrrrr?
cursive summit
Can I do 1x PCIe per card? Do I need big CPU go brrrrrrrr?
Mate you mine crypto, you can answer these questions yourself
young pecan
Mining crypto is a LOOOOOOT different than LLMs from a cursory perspective.
smoky frigate
nobody's saying they ain't in their right, would be nice is all
young pecan
Crypto is a lot of calculations, doesn't really need bandwidth, no idea what the bandwidth reqs are for an LLM of reasonable size.
Thought one of you in here might just like... already have that knowledge. 
woven laurel
why is nobody here talkiong about unity drama
cursive summit
Just buy a MI200
woven laurel
kinda dissapointed in chat
cursive summit
why is nobody here talkiong about unity drama
Trash bait
final flame
I mean unity is as good as done as a company if they keep this change
smoky frigate
I was thinking maybe it's too easy to pin it all on CEO guy, surely their entire executive branch must have approved of it right
young pecan
Just buy a MI200
This doesn't have CUDA, noob.
cursive summit
I was thinking maybe it's too easy to pin it all on CEO guy, surely their entire...
Nah it's the financial intern
final flame
I was thinking maybe it's too easy to pin it all on CEO guy, surely their entire...
the ceo apparently sold shares a week before the change
smoky frigate
the ceo apparently sold shares a week before the change
not that many I hear
young pecan
Average CUDA enjoyer.
final flame
still, shareholders always know the best ways to kill a company
cursive summit
Average CUDA enjoyer.
Just HIP it and MI200
young pecan
still, shareholders always know the best ways to kill a company
Glaxes! Come now, don't you think that naturally the shareholder would want a long and extremely rich future for the company to extract tenfold the money with zero effort?
That'd be the smart thing to do. Surely shareholders are smart.
Surely.
final flame
Surely they don't plan to make the company gain a large amount of money at once then sell the shares they own off once they profit
young pecan
Surely.
That would be very disingenuous, no shareholder is doing that. The internet told me so.
cursive summit
What are you people talking about? Money? I LOVE money!
young pecan
No no, I'm sure the profit driven shareholders exist specifically to help the company they've chosen to back.
cursive summit
I would make people pay each time for a mag reload in CoD ngl
Sounds like easy money
final flame
I would make people pay each time for a mag reload in CoD ngl
EA
young pecan
Bro please you are aware that the Unity CEO suggested that once?
A cent per bullet fired in FPS.
cursive summit
Or each time you boot windows there's a 10 pence boot fee?
USB plugin is 1 cent per minute plugged in ngl
young pecan
Dw lads, your average LMG costs $1.20 per mag.
cursive summit
Cause of "online DRM"
cursive summit
Not sure if rising costs are really the fault of economical instability of the practice, or just CEOs trying to launder more cash
young pecan
You know it's #2.
smoky frigate
you'd think that pattern recognition would be a skill that players naturally develop, but then we still get tons of people preordering games
young pecan
Had to stop like 6 of my friends from pre ordering fuckin' Starfield. The game coming out of the studio that has done nothing but make failures and mobile games for almost 10 years.
Excessive cringe.
cursive summit
If pattern recognition was a skill, you'd prolly make a password for sudo everytime you see a password form ngl, so you did fail on that skill
young pecan
He's not wrong.
cursive summit
"Can't wait to report your death"
- some shitass gnome
smoky frigate
oh man, that was only 2018? feels like it was longer ago
cursive summit
Ngl was did biscuit even do, I never followed him. Internet journalist that was morally consumer-sided?
Was that his whole shtick or was there more to him
People reminisce of the lad fondly
smoky frigate
he was a pro-consumer demagogue
I watched him a few times, but he didn't make the kind of stuff I enjoyed
mind that this was still in the post-gamergate fallout, where everything was highly political somehow
I still quite haven't cared to learn what it was all really about. there was always this smell of shit wafting around whenever people argued about it
who knows, maybe it was a necessary discussion
halcyon willow
how did he die
cursive summit
how did he die
Gnome disease
young pecan
how did he die
Twitter overdose.
smoky frigate
he ate a bad bag of fish and chips..... || it was cancer ||
halcyon willow
Twitter overdose.
that does it
cursive summit
nah keemstar just got him first
young pecan
that does it
I already said Twitter overdose.
reef patrol
Let's just say that this didn't age well.
young pecan
halcyon willow
I already said Twitter overdose.
That'll kill ya
young pecan
Let's just say that this didn't age well.
Aged like the child chemotherapy ward. I mean what?
smoky frigate
that joke made my hair fall out!
young pecan
smoky frigate
I think it peaked with crippled female WW2 soldiers in Battlefield V
young pecan
Ok lads, it finally happened.
It took 9 minutes but we have a response back from the LLM.
I need GPU acceleration and CUDA.
smoky frigate
time to buy a 4090 ! 💸
smoky frigate
out of curiosity, do LLMs meaningfully profit from SLI?
young pecan
From SLI I doubt it.
cursive summit
I still frequent KotakuInAction, but man it's gotten a lot of incel activity
young pecan
Model parallelism has a few ways, Naive Model Parallelism takes the layers of the model and distributes them over the GPUs so you can get enormous RAM monsters, for example.
smoky frigate
is it really called naive or is that a typo?
young pecan
But like yeah this won't be working with the classic crypto 'yeet everything into the thing and minimum bandwidth', this application is really high bandwidth.
Was not a typo.
No idea why it's called that.
smoky frigate
the main deficiency and why this one is called “naive” MP, is that all but one GPU is idle at any given moment. So if 4 GPUs are used, it’s almost identical to quadrupling the amount of memory of a single GPU, and ignoring the rest of the hardware. Plus there is the overhead of copying the data between devices. So 4x 6GB cards will be able to accommodate the same size as 1x 24GB card using naive MP, except the latter will complete the training faster, since it doesn’t have the data copying overhead. [...]
that explains my question!
smoky frigate
ermahgerd. this looks like a fun hobby if you have the hardware
young pecan
O_O
fair gull
they are personal computers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydGdHjIncbk this is what i meant
and now im really excited for those PCs
young pecan
Lotta time you do stuff like this to remove inefficiency.
ashen spindle
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydGdHjIncbk this is what i meant
not coming anytime soon in good results, nobody is making a high clocking single target focused arm chip which is what you want on desktop
young pecan
Like lay of 10000 people mediocre that can't be moved up, hire on 10000 different people that can be moved up.
Everyone shows their surprised pikachu face, but it's calculated.
Like one thing you can do is lay off a shitload of people an encourage them to reapply so they brush up on their resume and you get a cleaner picture of the skillsets you have to play with.
Or get a good opportunity to shrink business and tighten up before rehiring the random extraneous bits, usually for cost reasons or what have you.
ashen spindle
yeah but nobody is making one now aka nothing will be out for years
last attempt was nuvia and that turend into snapdragon gen4 which has issues
@astral haven CnC article about starfield CPU utilization is also coming in the nearish future
astral haven
sweet
I do definetly disagree with their conclusion on the first article however
I dont think the opposite is truem however I definetly think they put in as little as possible effort into making nvidia gpus work as they could
ashen spindle
what that they beome l2 bound?
astral haven
no, they concluded that it was not bethesdas fault
ashen spindle
well its less that they said its not their fault and more there isnt an issue per se that would be someones fault
astral haven
yea and thats wrong
imo
i dont think that bethesda intentionally nerfed, thats obviously false and would have been noticed immediately
but it is still bethesdas responsibility to make their games run properly
its definetly worse if its el big dude bullying the little guy, like was the case for intel in this case, but its also patently obvious that the usage of the gpu is not optimal
ashen spindle
neither gpu is used perfectly but both are being used quite well like it's not there is a massive issues by using bad sized data chuncks that are forced to be split or anything
astral haven
are they?
i agree that the issues are smaller than they could be
but you dont say a crime is ok just because they stole half of the money in the cash register
for sure this is an extreme example
but neither of the gpus averaged over 70% usage within the frame, and the nvidia one was very obviously lower on average
ashen spindle
Higher occupancy does not imply high compute utilization
astral haven
higher occupancy is more efficient compute utilization
now sure the average occupancy of these gpus being under 50% is not nescessarily a bad thing
ashen spindle
that depends on the uArch, you can max the vector unity throughput without maxing out occupancy
astral haven
but it does indicate that you are doing a poor job of keeping the gpu fed
if you know the performance is bad, and the occupancy is low, that is something you can move to fix
ashen spindle
all of the GPUs here are capable of maxing out their vector units with one thread in each SMSP or SIMD
astral haven
i take problem with the bad performance, and the occupancy is proof that an effort was not made
ashen spindle
I don't think thats how occupancy is supposed to be viewed
astral haven
🤷 if we can use it as evidence that they didnt intentionally tamper with the gpu optimization, we can use it as evidence that they did not put sufficient care in the optimization
ashen spindle
Lower utilization is by design in Nvidia’s architecture. Nvidia SMs have smaller register files and can keep less work in flight.
ashen spindle
this is from their cyberpunk pathtracing tests
so I guess they didnt put any care into that either?
astral haven
cyberpunk performs equally poorly on everyone
look the conclusion is that the game performs more poorly on nvidia than it does on amd for starfield
i am using the cnc article as evidence that there is fixable disparity, not that it was intentional or even that it is in fact poorly optimized
ashen spindle
I dont really think that's necessarily true though
astral haven
and we can disagree on that
and im pretty open to disagreeing about the second half, but not about the first half
ashen spindle
but like, less work is good for the cards so they can clock high and eat through it, so if one side can improve it the other can likely do similar things, if there is not something big missed somewhere
astral haven
?
nah as long as warp never hits zero, the result is the same, the problem is that we dont see the lowest usage of the warp within a single sampling, we see the average, and the lower the average, the more likely it is that some of the warps are emptying
ashen spindle
like warps in flight across the whole GPU never hits zero?
astral haven
i mean sure?
but more i meant to an individual warp
the available warps for it to pick up never being zero
ashen spindle
so, how much hardware does a single warp utilize?
ashen spindle
a SIMD/SMSP but also a SIMD can have many warps in flight, having one warp on a SIMD is a corner case that you don't want to happen too often
astral haven
yea and those are called SM on nvidia and half a cu on AMD right?
i might be mixing cu and wgp
oh no there are 4 simd's per sm and WGP oops
ashen spindle
it probably happens as you're finishing up a shader and some warps finish before others. that sort of long tailed behavior can be a problem, but it wasn't that significant in starfield
haughty vector
is it worth to overclock my ram
astral haven
i wouldnt say fc6 is nescessarily poorly optimized, it could just be graphically intensive to have that much foliage everywhere
starfield imo is substantially less graphically impressive than fc6
astral haven
it probably happens as you're finishing up a shader and some warps finish before...
yea but that also happens in the middle
like these reporting steps only cycle along at what is it 1/10th the clock of the gpu?
and even then its still taking an average, you could have an entire sm empty, and miss a bunch of cycles waiting for more data even though the amount of warps in flight is enough to fill all of the warps 2 deep or whatever
astral haven
is it worth to overclock my ram
thats an opinon, youll have to come up with it on your own
the actual safety risk to overclocking is low, but you can damage both your cpu and memory by messing with voltages for example.
and the amount of time it takes to stability test is high
if you dont play that much, it might not be worth the time investment
and if you play alot, the time you overclock is time you arent spending gaming
haughty vector
alr i’m probably not gonna test it i feel like my pc gonna explode
warm night
im not sure you'd blow anything up
though you can definitely decrease the lifespan of your hardware
haughty vector
my hardware already on its death bed
warm night
outright killing something is hard these days
haughty vector
my cpu been over locked at 4.6ghz for the past 5 years
and i just found out last week that it was overheating to like 90 celsius on a regular basis 💀
pale sigil
@young pecan ive never wanted a HDD more than i do rn
lmao
my drive is to fast for the glitch
warm night
and i just found out last week that it was overheating to like 90 celsius on a r...
yeah that one isnt ideal
ashen spindle
limit the drive speed then
warm night
90 is still technically within spec for a lot if not all processors now but it's definitely on the high end of what you wanna be seeing
haughty vector
yeah i fixed the problem and now it’s chilling around 40 idle and 60-70 during heavy load
warm night
good
haughty vector
so it should be good
ashen spindle
yea but that also happens in the middle
like these reporting steps only cycle al...
Much longer than that because the more you sample, the more overhead you incur and the more data you have to save somewhere. And the average is what you ultimately care about anyway
Yes, you can have an entire SM empty and miss a bunch of cycles waiting for data. It happens a lot and is why you have way less than 4 IPC for a SM on average.
Happens on CPUs too. If you program a performance counter and use the cmask/edge fields, you can see how long a particular core might have been "idle" waiting for data or idle at a particular stage at least
also my brain is mush now after raiding for too long so I shall fall into bed
young pecan
my drive is to fast for the glitch
Framerate can help you.
Tank your GPU perf and cap D2 out.
Upscale the game to 8k.
warm night
you can overclock I guess
probably the easiest thing to overclock since you have 0 voltage control on modern gpus without doing anything special
you just increase freq till it either loses performance (error correction) or starts showing instabilities then back off a bit
alternatively on rtx 3000 you can undervolt and it can increase performance, not so sure about other generations
haughty vector
do i just over clock it in the bios?
young pecan
What GPU do you have?
young pecan
Ah.
Right so that card use it on Precision X1 or MSI Afterburner.
The gist from memory with those is each power step is 6Mhz and, for every 3 degrees you drop you can push 1 step.
They tend to cap out around 2150~ Mhz on the core, some go higher, some go lower.
My roommate had one that could sustain 2210~, for example.
haughty vector
does the manufacturer matters?
warm night
oh yeah you start to lose clocks over like 50 or 60 celsius or something
young pecan
As RAM goes? You can do 1000Mhz on it, but remember it's half so you're really doing 2000Mhz.
warm night
i mean only really for cooling purposes
warm night
msi puke
warm night
lOl
haughty vector
no way
young pecan
sigh
Ok so the Duke uses an MSI Gaming X PCB and the cooler from a 1070.
It is not sufficient to run that card at it's maximum.
haughty vector
Man
young pecan
However.
With that said you do have a Gaming X PCB which was one of the best at the time.
Find some other way to cool the thing and it performs near the top of what the chip can do.
haughty vector
bouta use my ceiling fan
warm night
it'll just run hotter so you won't get as much out of it as one with a better cooler
its not massively a problem really
young pecan
^
You could jank together open loop or do DiWHY ig.
But it'll just run about 15c hotter than an actual GamingX card.
warm night
funnily enough i got it the other eay round, the cooler on my gigabyte 3060 ti appears to be very similar to the one on the 3070 ti
if not the same
doesn't cross 60 celsius either so probably is
hasty thunder
As RAM goes? You can do 1000Mhz on it, but remember it's half so you're really d...
actually iirc the 1080 Ti's should be capable of running at around 2000-2100 MHz VRAM
unless it's some Micron shit
young pecan
Yes so under the OC you do 1000 since how RAM is overclocked on that generation you do 50% of your target.
hasty thunder
but only the cheaper end models had micron
young pecan
1000 in Afterburner is 2000 for the card.
hasty thunder
yep
haughty vector
how much more fps am i getting if i get it to 2000
young pecan
GDDR5X or something reasong. Idk.
haughty vector
like on a percentage base
young pecan
No way to tell. You'll have to benchmark.
Some cards perform better than others, depends what VRAM your unit has.
warm night
its not going to be insane but it's not really difficult to do
hasty thunder
well, Stock vs max OC'd it was around 15-20% for me
young pecan
Samsung performs the best, Micron the second best.
warm night
there's no reason not to
young pecan
Hynix is the shit you need to look out for on the 1080Tis. That caused problems with overclocking.
hasty thunder
but then again, i've had an Aorus Xtreme with 2200 MHz VRAM
haughty vector
would i have to keep opening up msi afterburner or would the settings save
young pecan
Save a profile and set start on boot.
warm night
you can save your settings
haughty vector
oh that makes things a lot nicer
the last time i used it was for fortnite like 5 years ago
and lowk i thought it was fake so i just messed with a bunch of settings 💀
hasty thunder
pretty sure "start with windows boot" is on by default
warm night
ah yes fortnite 5 years ago when i had +150mhz core on my 1050 ti
haughty vector
my gpu used to be so goated
hasty thunder
warm night
didnt help a bit because I was massively cpu limited anyway
fx 8350 😃
and 8gb single channel bottom of the barrel ddr3
hasty thunder
my gpu used to be so goated
well, the 1080 Ti is still quite nice, it was just too good when it launched
young pecan
my gpu used to be so goated
The fuck you mean used to be?
The 1080Ti is still somehow viable.
warm night
its still insane
young pecan
7 years later.
warm night
i dunno how they did it but it keeps up fine still
young pecan
Pascal is a fucking nuts generation.
young pecan
Especially when you consider Maxwell came before it. It's like jumping from a Supra to a Bugatti.
warm night
i wonder if ampere is gonna have a similar lifetime seeing as it was a pretty decent generational jump too
probably not with how much they push ray tracing
and similar
hasty thunder
i wonder if ampere is gonna have a similar lifetime seeing as it was a pretty de...
honestly? Nope
warm night
im too young for that
young pecan
Bro, Volta was after the 1080Ti.
haughty vector
The 1080Ti is still somehow viable.
that is true. when i look at a lot of gpus now i would have to spend over 500 to get a noticeably better performing card
young pecan
That one generation everyone forgot.
warm night
oh i was thinking of uhh
haughty vector
why can’t they make 1080 to v2😔
young pecan
Bro not Fermi.
hasty thunder
the 1080 Ti was just a too massive jump forward for a price that nVidia regret at the end and swear to never make that mistake again. $700 MSRP for such a beast of GPU was just too cheap in 2017
young pecan
Fuck that whole generational mess.
warm night
lmfao
ashen spindle
I mean starfield is telling the 1080ti to go to rest finally
young pecan
It's still more than viable for a lot of stuff.
That 11 gigs of VRAM props it up so hard.
hasty thunder
it did a great job fighting for 6 years by now, so it's allowed to go down in history as one of the best cards we've ever had
young pecan
Throw your heat bomb of a 1080Ti at them.
ashen spindle
I think part of its greatness comes from turing sucking hard 
young pecan
Naaaaaaaaah.
hasty thunder
vote with your wallet and buy AMD instead, ez
young pecan
That's unfair.
hasty thunder
haughty vector
ngl the amd gpus are kinda lacking
warm night
they're not
warm night
they're just amazing at their pricing especially
haughty vector
i cant find a good mid range one for a good price
zenith silo
My 6900xt kicks ass and it was way cheaper than the Nvidia alternative
haughty vector
high end one i mean
young pecan
The 6950XT is also a sleeper card these days.
hasty thunder
ngl the amd gpus are kinda lacking
7900 XTX being a bit better than the 4080 and cheaper at the time and you call it lacking? Wtf
haughty vector
like i can find a 4070ti for 600 on ebay
warm night
I really need to ditch nvidia especially using linux their drivers are a mess
young pecan
The real solution there is don't use Linux for a daily driver.
Remember always WSL2 is the best way to use Linux.
ashen spindle
well it is kinda lacking, RIP Navi36 you would have been the big beast sadge
warm night
then i have to deal with windows' endless shit
young pecan
Better than Linux, sadly.
warm night
not for me
young pecan
At least Windows actually has code signing.
hasty thunder
i was disappointed af about the 7800XT
ashen spindle
look at the price and not the name for that
warm night
i do not know of a single occasion where I would care about code signing on my home computer ill be honest
young pecan
Oh that's easy.
hasty thunder
yeah, but it's not worth "upgrading", or rather downgrading my 6800XT to a 7800XT
young pecan
You're a goober and fuck up one time or we get another log4js and then someone does the funny and goes to kill your hardware with malware.
And because Linux they can sudo and you're fucked.
hasty thunder
and FSR3 is definitely not enough to sell a 7800XT to me
warm night
how do they know my root password
young pecan
They don't need to, that's the point of privilege escalation.
Or just installing a keylogger.
warm night
wayland solves that problem
but since nvidia Wayland is mess of garbage
so I guess youre right for now
ashen spindle
yeah, but it's not worth "upgrading", or rather downgrading my 6800XT to a 7800X...
yeah because a 550$ (after 3 heavy inflation years) card should be the expected ugprade for a 650$ card...
warm night
still going to continue using linux
young pecan
I mean Wayland doesn't solve that...?
warm night
wayland is more secure is it not
young pecan
Thhheoretically...?
young pecan
Ah.
No.
That's not at all more secure.
Wayland is just replacing how Linux displays stuff.
A keylogger doesn't need display.
young pecan
Yeah it's a whole protocol that does display server capabilities.
Not just like X11 or whatever.
But to be clear a keylogger doesn't need to be reading windows.
It needs to read inputs and have some sense of what the PC is doing.
warm night
i guess
young pecan
So like idk literally any time you type in sudo you can make a pretty fuckin' educated guess of what comes next, aye?
warm night
less likely I end up with a keylogger on linux than windows anyway
haughty vector
ngl the 7900 xtx looking kinda sexy
warm night
but i could in theory use biometric authentication to avoid the keylogger issue
young pecan
Also really not true. Linux has far more valuable stuff since servers are run on Linux and that's where the money is.
Windows on the other hand has like randos that don't sell well.
So more malware is Linux based.
young pecan
Idk. What I do know is there's more tools for random goobers to use.
warm night
but i would have assumed that more malware is aimed at windows purely due to userbase
young pecan
Oh don't get me wrong, it absolutely is.
But for the sneaky shit it's usually Linux.
warm night
99.99% of software gets installed via my package manager anyway
warm night
itd be a large feat for malware to get in official repos
most, if not all of the stuff not in official repos comes from the AUR so I read the PKGBUILD before installing to make sure its not doing anything silly
warm night
yessir
warm night
thanks for the linux pass
young pecan
I mean it's dangerous because fuckwits will randomly do shit.
Or just like not update ig.
warm night
oh yea no someone with no idea is more likely to get fucked on linux than windows
young pecan
sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade -y is not a hard thing to run, it's gross cringe.
warm night
I much prefer sudo pacman -Syu
loud ember
sudo pacman -syu
warm night
real
young pecan
I mean yeah, pacman is a thing.
warm night
pacman is the thing of choice
young pecan
I do mostly servers so I don't really touch pacman much.
warm night
in a way pacman has ruined a lot for me
i hate like literally every other package manager
warm night
they all feel slow
young pecan
https://www.talos.dev/ This.
This is the peak of what Linux has accomplished ever.
If I could just have a Talos for everything I'd happily do that.
warm night
interesting
halcyon willow
If I could just have a Talos for everything I'd happily do that.
If I could be as punctual and intelligent as you I'd happily do that.
young pecan
Docker the operating system.
warm night
that's pretty cool
young pecan
Yeeeee.
It's similar in size to Arch and runs purely Kubernetes clusters.
Plus bare metal as well so you can do crazy shit like use network boot to spin up tens of thousands of Kubernetes machines at the same time.
All lovely HA compatible and self healing. There's no such thing as critical infrastructure breaking when the entire software suite on every layer can just repair itself without admin interaction.
And then you mix OpenTF into that shit... 
warm night
see if i did anything remotely close to that sort of scale where talos is actually used i would be very happy right now
because this is quite cool
young pecan
Yep.
And naturally it comes with the downside of it being Linux.
NO FUCKING DOCUMENTATION.
loud ember
Gonna put talos on a VM to see if I can game on it
loud ember
**NO FUCKING DOCUMENTATION.**
man pages
warm night
this is true
young pecan
Pffffff. Get outta here with your man pages.
We all know half of them are woefully underdone.
warm night
but then yknow someone has to write them
loud ember
Half of them dont exist too
young pecan
Lmfao yeah.
This is why BSD for everything critical.
BSD actually has documentation.
young pecan
see if i did anything remotely close to that sort of scale where talos is actual...
But no I feel this.
At this stage I'd kill to have access to enough machines and reason to justify using Talos over everything else out of need.
warm night
yep
like sure you can shoehorn it into whatever youre doing but it doesn't feel as good as actually using it with purpose
young pecan
sigh Yeah.
warm night
and you'll end up wasting your own time anyway
loud ember
Would it really be a waste of time though?
young pecan
I mean I don't think so.
warm night
to me it probably would be but it depends
young pecan
I run a few Talos nodes myself for my Kube cluster, put like servers and crap on there.
One of these days the games are going there too. Whenever Kubectyl wants to finish.
young pecan
Yep.
Still mid dev.
https://github.com/kubectyl It's apparently usable rn but I couldn't get it binding to a pv for one of it's things.
warm night
interesting
young pecan
Power and temp limit slide to max.
halcyon willow
Power and temp limit slide to max.
This. The only reason you should use afterburner is for a slight overclock if you know what you're doing, or if you need to undervolt your card because you're building in SFF cases.
halcyon willow
I agree with you.
wheat plume
young pecan
Game went black screen oh god
Reboot and pull back the OC and all that.
Step back by 6Mhz each time.
6Mhz on the core.
haughty vector
i just restarted the game and its good now
i think i went a lil too far on the core clock
ngl i dont really notice a difference in performance
halcyon willow
ngl i dont really notice a difference in performance
cards these days are too advanced
haughty vector
but i have an old one
these are the settings that i got to
honestly didnt do much i think
i tried pushing the core clock to 120mhz then my game black screened
and honestly didnt notice a difference on all the different clock speeds
halcyon willow
there's honestly no more point in overclocking
i'd rather you set up a good fan curve so you can quiet your PC down
haughty vector
i dont really care about the noise
and it doesnt make much noise
i only care about the pc making my room hot
but it doesnt make my room hot currently
final flame
but it doesnt make my room hot currently
I'll be honest, that's the worst part of owning a high power pc
and for me it's even worse, since my parents constantly have the heater on even in the winter, and this house doesn't have individual room temperature control
halcyon willow
and it doesnt make much noise
let me see a pic of the setup
loud ember
and for me it's even worse, since my parents constantly have the heater on even ...
I dont have any heaters at all for the winter so i see this as an absolute win
cursive summit
@ashen spindle Some evidence came out that an ex-Nvidia associated engineer mistakenly published technical docs that he probably shouldn't have on Switch 2 hardware
Engineer worked on T239 specifically
And it's not Samsung, it's on TSMC 5nm
ashen spindle
Where does it say it’s the t239
cursive summit
Uh, the lad has in his linkedin account that he worked on grand total of 2 projects
Something at Intel and T239 at Nvidia
This was the Nvidia project he listed, one of two, other being Intel, in his resume
I think this was the account https://in.linkedin.com/in/prasanna-ragava-82247516b
ashen spindle
Eh could be, idk how real these things are and all
cursive summit
So, it's on 5nm TSMC whatever that project is, most likely T239
What's the number of clocks, frequency and instance count values?
2.7GHz base clock on the SoC? That seems really high
Ok so this is not Orin I don't think
I think with the frequency they meant core clocks
Jetson Orin supports 2GHz max, 2.7 is a LOT for a Cortex-A78AE
Yeah that's not Cortex A78
This could be Neoverse N2
... which is Atlan
Which is also on 5nm process
Oh I fucked that one up, N2 and V2 are very different
ashen spindle
Neoverse are server cpus, mostly aimed at cloud etc.
cursive summit
V2 is also used by Nvidia on Grace
Yeah N2 is the server stuff, which is the technical manual I found
V2 is more hidden lol, trying to look for clocks
ashen spindle
Same thing just slightly different power targets
Nothing for mobile that’s for sure
cursive summit
Uh, if Jetson Atlan was supposed to use it and that's a "mobile" CPU
Then it's very much mobile
Nvidia Thor also uses Neoverse chips
Huh, very interesting
Matches perfectly the clocks, and Grace is H100, based on Neoverse V2, which is Atlan cores
ashen spindle
Nvidia Drive Systems where Thor is used get to like 500w total package you aren’t scaling that to a 20w package
cursive summit
That also is like an obscene amount of cores
ashen spindle
Yes because that’s what the neoverse chips are designed for, high core count
And I still doubt Atlan got some weird 2023 revival when it was a 2025 project
cursive summit
And I still doubt Atlan got some weird 2023 revival when it was a 2025 project
I don't think it needs a revival, when Nintendo probably picked up Atlan years ago
Nvidia didn't want it, and it's officially cancelled, doesn't mean Nintendo isn't able to still get it
ashen spindle
It still was a 2025 product so if they have it ready 2 years early it doesn’t seem likely or a new project with same name
You don’t just have a project ready 2 years sooner in silicon hardware
cursive summit
Tbf Thor was announced AFTER Atlan was cancelled as a replacement
And it launches the same year, 2025
So they somehow mustered to create a better product and launch it in a smaller window
ashen spindle
Iterating specs in the same time frame is different from being done 2 years early
cursive summit
Fair enough
But Nvidia still needs the whole software and integration department to work with them I imagine, to provide software for clients to adopt into cars and stuff
Nintendo doesn't need the whole "AI" part, they just want the hardware accelerators
Not impossible to tape out atlan early?
vagrant pagoda
Nvidia Thor also uses Neoverse chips
Thor is replace 40w soc
So no chance it's new switch
cursive summit
You saying 40w is not possible to handheld?
Nintendo doesn't use full dies anyways
40W is really little, they just need to shed 10-20W off that
cursive summit
All 3 Switch versions?
vagrant pagoda
Yep
cursive summit
Erista, Mariko/OLED and Lite?
vagrant pagoda
Yes
cursive summit
Doesn't really mean Nintendo wants the full die of Orin/Thor
vagrant pagoda
The die srink was even in the new shield before the oled/lite
cursive summit
Nvidia incorporates a lot of things into the dies Nintendo has no use for
cursive summit
Also big orin has a 2060
That's wrong GPU architecture
vagrant pagoda
Nope right
vagrant pagoda
Derp I Kent the 2050 mobile
cursive summit
Now you got it correct lel
Anyways I think T239 is not what it used to be
I stan for Nintendo with Atlan 
halcyon moss
new house already has nest firealarms.. i think i want to replace those.. -_-
ashen spindle
Yeah anything nest like will never be in my rooms
If it’s smart tech then only the one that’s dumb with a smart local controller
halcyon moss
Yeah anything nest like will never be in my rooms
yeah... its wifi stuff, but it was already here. i need to look for a decent alternative
all in time, first move in
ashen spindle
yeah better than nothing at first at least
cursive summit
"Students are “bombarded” with messages “through social media and from their peers” to use LibGen sites instead of paying for textbooks during back-to-school season, according to the complaint. “All too many use LibGen, perhaps not realising the illegal nature of the sites,” it continued."
No I think they know what they are doing, how about you stop pricing books horribly
final flame
Why don't we just rid the world of publishers
cursive summit
Library genesis isn't going to pay nor go down lol
Plenty of mirrors exist, and the owners are anonymous
So whatever this attempt is, is just wasting their own money
final flame
Ironically enough filing a lawsuit ends up letting more people know the service exists
cursive summit
Assholes are just really happy that they managed to win against internet archive
cursive summit
cursive summit
Gemini is massive news
PaLM 2 should be capable to at least match GPT-4
Gemini should surpass it and then some
young pecan
Gemini should surpass it and then some
Do we know by how much?
cursive summit
Do we know by how much?
cursive summit
20x after they get it trained properly
young pecan
How big even is this LLM?
cursive summit
LLM's are very early
And they are improving fast
And we know how much of an impact they already have lol
young pecan
Like GPT 4 is what? Multiple TB?
young pecan
20x after they get it trained properly <:havo:975821613415157860>
For this tho. Do we know what Google is using to train it?
cursive summit
Less than legal invasive practices most likely
But they'll do it anyways cause why not
They haven't shared on how many parameters they trained it on yet I don't think
young pecan
Shit and it's getting good enough to warrant an "AI Insight Forum" in government bodies.
This really is getting serious.
cursive summit
Nor context token length yet
young pecan
Guess on hardware?
Given how big GPT 4 is there's no way they aren't using cards with huge RAM. A100s and what have you.
You just wouldn't be able to run this on a single card.
ashen spindle
mi300 clusters maybe
young pecan
LMFAOOOOOOO WHAT
cursive summit
Perplexity just yeeted it at me
young pecan
Ok but how...
cursive summit
Gemini is supposed to be really big
young pecan
How the fuck is it even possible to run 7 to 10T?
What kind of hardware does that go on?
young pecan
I mean yes but literally what exists to run that on?
Are MI300 clusters and shit fast enough with parallel model compute?
cursive summit
H100s and MI200/300s prolly
young pecan
'Cause like most LLMs people can get access to are like... 30B at most.
cursive summit
"– “Google’s lawyers have been closely evaluating the training. In one instance, they made researchers remove training data that had come from textbooks—which could help the model answer questions about subjects like astronomy or biology—over concerns about pushback from copyright holders.”
Please don't tell me they trained on shit data
Screw copyright they can choke for all I care, train it on proper data
young pecan
I mean even if they did idc, this kind of ridiculous AI progression is insane.
Shows it's possible.
Honestly do you think we'll get actual AI consciousness any time? That's just a complete unknown in biology so we have no clue how that emergence works.
cursive summit
Honestly do you think we'll get actual AI consciousness any time? That's just a ...
Supposed to come before 2030
young pecan
Are we lucky enough to be on that timeline? I want so very badly to talk to a self aware AI.
cursive summit
Yeah I don't doubt it'll be a thing within next 10 years
Self aware AI is prolly the answer to humanity's problems anyways, and biggest problem in itself
young pecan
I just don't know if it's possible with traditional hardware. The old answer was quantum computers since qbits can emulate evolution in neurology.
But like...
We can actually make evolving chips though, can't we?
I mean shit an FPGA is like a step or two away from that.
young pecan
No no, like self changing.
cursive summit
I have my doubts
young pecan
You can literally rewrite an FPGA with code, if that's doable at runtime then like...
cursive summit
Unless you allow the AI to order itself parts off of Amazon when it needs to expand its capabilities
young pecan
No no, what I mean is you put the AI on a bank of GPUs and crap for memory and future FPGAs for the 'mind'.
Just let it rewrite the FPGAs from context.
At that stage wtf is the difference between that and a person?
I suppose neurons have a lot of simultaneous connections to eachother.
cursive summit
Ngl, I have this nagging feeling that this whole "transgenderism" debate was just practice match against the real thing to come
Wtf is sentience
young pecan
Bro please.
If people can't work out the difference between sex and gender then I shudder at them attempting to work out what a mind is.
cursive summit
I honestly look at the capabilities of these things and embrace the change
young pecan
Oh for sure.
cursive summit
If they can improve our lives, then bring em on
young pecan
Honestly? It's potentially a road to digital life.
We're running into problems advancing the digital side of life, there's only so many abstraction layers you can really push, at some stage you need something that can work faster to be more efficient. AI is that answer.
Honestly it's getting incredible how fast all of this is these days.
The first LLM was Elizabeth in the 1960s...?
They only really got serious with GPT rand that was very recent.
cursive summit
Where I expect it to succeed is to completely propel us thousands of years into the future in a matter of years is just research
young pecan
And in that incredibly short time we've stepped from OG GPT to Gemini in power. Yeah that's a thing.
cursive summit
Stuff it in with all we know
And let it intrapolate on that
Let it shit out new inventions, how to invent human immortality, treat all diseases, etc
young pecan
Can't make a guess on how a proper sentient AI would change things.
There's too much variance.
cursive summit
Anyways, can't wait to see what Gemini cooks up
I have a feeling that programming will soon go to just "programming in minutes on demand" via AI
Not even AI-assisted, just entire projects complete
halcyon moss
You'd have to define what the customer wants though
cursive summit
Prompt engineer sounds like a new job title
halcyon moss
This is a requirements document, not a prompt
cursive summit
Requirements document is a valid prompt
young pecan
For a smart enough AI? Very potentially.
Same reason humans don't need a prompt, it's built into the document.
crimson wigeon
Nice
hasty thunder
just realized there's a mythical Valk Skin
Everyone knew i'm a Valk main, yet none of my friends told me there's a Valk Skin
coarse cloak
cursive summit
Valk?
coarse cloak
what game is that tho
cursive summit
Valkyrie?
hasty thunder
yep
cursive summit
Rainbow 6 siege?
hasty thunder
Apex
cursive summit
Ah fuck off
coarse cloak
good guess vex
cursive summit
Go back to game talk
hasty thunder
cursive summit
And don't mention apex again until you lot start playing siege
hasty thunder
oops, didn't realize it was the wrong channel lol
coarse cloak
np
hasty thunder
And don't mention apex again until you lot start playing siege <:dogenek:1103031...
only cock sucking, cuckold gangbangers play R6 Sludge
coarse cloak
woah LOL
cursive summit
only cock sucking, cuckold gangbangers play R6 Sludge
I'll fuckin be a cock sucking, cuckold gangbanger rather than play Apex
halcyon willow
I'll fuckin be a cock sucking, cuckold gangbanger rather than play Apex <:dogene...
good thing you are already
no need
cursive summit
Relax, bud
halcyon willow
I'm relaxed
haughty vector
has anyone here preordered the ultralight x?
halcyon moss
what a weird way to say how many were sold
cursive summit
Over 300 thousand H100s units in the second quarter
That's insane, just in a single quarter
steep creek
strange headline
cursive summit
strange headline
Nvidia won't give you numbers
So they asked shipping companies
And those prolly gave em tonnage numbers
steep creek
aha yeah makes sense
cursive summit
From there you do basic maths and get an approximate number
The fact that H100 is like $30,000 and they sold 300k in just a quarter
Absolute insanity
Lol, 9 billion $ in sales (not profits) just from H100
ashen spindle
given it includes heatsinks its also really stupid
steep creek
wonder what they'll do once the market saturates a bit
cursive summit
Nvidia "winning" will not do good for anybody
Not themselves, not consumers, not the market, really
AMD needs to really invest into marketing cause if H100 sells so much and MI300 is in theory a superior product for way cheaper, we have a problem
steep creek
yah shouldn't be too long til it pops
cursive summit
I would want to hear a congressional hearing forcing Nvidia to get CUDA open source
cursive summit
This bubble is just getting started
steep creek
but yeah wonder if amd can cash in a bit now, perhaps its too late
ashen spindle
Nvidia "winning" will not do good for anybody
Not themselves
huh
how is it bad for them
cursive summit
I guess I should have said it's just mostly bad for consumers
But in long term I guess them as well, billion dollar hitech silicon valley companies are not a good thing for anyone
Already shifting a lot of resources from consumer sector to AI is not something I like, I hope it doesn't just mean that consumers are going to be even more of an afterthought and enterprise takes center stage
ashen spindle
still dont get how thats bad for them
cursive summit
All negative things that could potentially come with a major shift in company's strategy
They neglect other sectors, AI bubble pops, they sit on a massive stockpile on H100s that nobody wants, they overinvested, layoffs, company fails to meet financial milestones and such
It's good in the sense that it works, for now
But it could turn really bad for everyone, I hope they don't just put their eggs in one basket
ashen spindle
thats only bad for them if they plan production wrong
cursive summit
I generally also really dislike that Nvidia is just prefered by everyone
CUDA should be open sourced and under public license or some commercial license where they at least get license costs
For the greater good
ashen spindle
nah
cursive summit
Uh, yes
ashen spindle
open source doesnt make things better always
or is linux the dominant desktop
should china be restricted, if yes how do you stop them from taking open knowledge
cursive summit
I don't believe in open source myself
But when something is far too useful to be monopolized by a single company
Like CUDA is
It should be brought to public for AMD and Intel to properly integrate into their systems
Cause Nvidia being the de facto only optimal choice for any sort of workstation usage is just absurd
ashen spindle
cuda doesnt do anything if you dont have good hardware and intel and amd only started to have options in that area even
and meta and others are working on having pytorch translate stuff to rocm directly and all so its not even needed
cursive summit
But I know my bank email address, and I will never fall for one!
rough osprey
your bank sends you emails?
cursive summit
is mail safer then email
Honestly, yes
Unless you are expecting someone to send you a mailbomb or a chemical weapon via an envelope
Mail nowadays is very much more secure
ashen spindle
pipebomb time
steep creek
probably safest thing is to go in person lol
but i have to login to the bank website to see messages they send
rough osprey
lol
cursive summit
A series caught up to M1 in multicore?
That's pretty impressive
Single core is way better, that's sick
smoky frigate
"Geekbecnch 6" rofl
cursive summit
Like, when you remember that one is a mobile chip, and other is a far beefier desktop chip
That is impressive
rough osprey
true
cursive summit
Can't wait for their luck to run out and get left in the dust
rough osprey
let's see if that happens at some point
ashen spindle
I mean it already did depending at what you look
M2 was tiny uplift
M2 pro and such glued together 2 chips and allowed gpu to scale like that
but in itself it didnt do much
astral haven
pro? i thought it was ultra and max, and the pro was the individual chip that made up the ultra and max
ashen spindle
oh yeah might be idk
astral haven
oh no pro is smaller than max, and ultra is 2x max
ashen spindle
m1 was likea bulldozer to zen moment because they were able to start completely from scratch
they dont just get that every soc iteration
especially when many of their gains come from bleeding edge nodes and N3 is kinda poo relatively
iron wave
Does anyone know a place where I could find a fake battery for my Pixel 4 XL? It's battery is pretty dead and I would like to be able to use it from USB power.
ashen spindle
at least they dont have to worry about reticle limit with high NA heh
hasty thunder
AMD needs to really invest into marketing cause if H100 sells so much and MI300 ...
well, thing is that many people don't even know AMD did by far better than nVidia. All they see is pros mostly using nVidia GPUs and think it's worth it
same goes for the industry itself, many just don't believe in AMD
astral haven
what
hasty thunder
which is why many servers are still running on intel
cursive summit
same goes for the industry itself, many just don't believe in AMD
A situation I hope will change
Architecturally AMD is catching up to Nvidia
Nvidia just keeps holding on to those crucial technologies like CUDA
hasty thunder
Architecturally AMD is catching up to Nvidia
yeah, but what about computing?
astral haven
which is why many servers are still running on intel
no, the main reason many are running intel is 1 they were installed before amd was relevant and 2 amd sold all of their chips
astral haven
Architecturally AMD is catching up to Nvidia
um no?
at least definetly not in the server market
cursive summit
yeah, but what about computing?
I think AMD can challenge Nvidia at same price point
Power efficiency wise AMD kind of keeps sucking compared to NV
cursive summit
But AMD can definitely match NV's perf for same price
astral haven
But AMD can definitely match NV's perf for same price
no
hasty thunder
speaking of, are the Mi300 already out yet?
cursive summit
Not yet, no
hasty thunder
sadge
cursive summit
Soon, I hope
ashen spindle
mi300 are out just not for public
steep creek
Don’t think amd is on par with nvidia just yet
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mi300 are out just not for public
Those supercomputers only?
smoky frigate
people have been hoping that for the better part of a decade now
hasty thunder
so i still have to buy some overpriced stupid A6k's
ashen spindle
no not supercomputing only
cursive summit
Don’t think amd is on par with nvidia just yet
Depends where tbf, gaming? I think they got Nvidia beat if you look past DLSS and whatever
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Computing it's that damn DLSS
hasty thunder
Depends where tbf, gaming? I think they got Nvidia beat if you look past DLSS an...
unlikely, AMD barely cut into nV's market
ashen spindle
yeah not sure how they have beat nvidia in gaming
think you got some of that frame hallucination in your brain going
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Architecturally AMD is better at specifically rasterization gaming than Nvidia
I am pretty sure that's a thing
hasty thunder
on paper results don't mirror the reality, many still believe in nV and keep buying them
steep creek
Hm do you factor in efficiency as well, or just raw performance
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on paper results don't mirror the reality, many still believe in nV and keep buy...
That's just the stigma that AMD is unlikely to ever break
astral haven
But AMD can definitely match NV's perf for same price
eg lets spend 10 million bucks on gpus
you get 62 separate systems on amd with 1.5tb of memory each
this is unable to run even gpt-4
on nvidia you get a single unified system with 36TB of memory
its able to run an llm 10x larger than gpt-4
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Hm do you factor in efficiency as well, or just raw performance
Efficiency is important, but hey per Scott Herkelman or what's his name, "gamers don't care about efficiency"
I do care and it's sad that RTX 4000 is far more efficient than RDNA3
smoky frigate
stigma? pretty much everyone wants them to succeed
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stigma? pretty much everyone wants them to succeed
Uh, no, not at all
hasty thunder
AMD just needs proper marketing on their site, because that's what nVidia helped a lot in their earlier days
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Some people will never buy anything else but Intel and Nvidia
steep creek
Efficiency is important, but hey per Scott Herkelman or what's his name, "gamers...
Hah fair. I do personally though
smoky frigate
Some people will never buy anything else but Intel and Nvidia
I keep hearing about these kinds of people but I never see 'em
astral haven
Some people will never buy anything else but Intel and Nvidia
eh thats only true as long as nvidia and intel keep topping the charts
hasty thunder
they're looking for the long run game
cursive summit
aka working N36 or something big
Tbf RDNA1 wasn't terrible for them, perhaps just focusing on mid-range could be good