Apple has always had crazy optimisation thanks to their walled garden. Final Cut Pro editing performance was always a bit crazy relative to the power of the equipment just due to how optimised it was
#🔌│tech
lofty pivot
I remember I updated my windows rig to a full higher end productivity machine back in the day, tested out using premier instead of Final Cut just to see the processing times and the old Apple laptop was editing faster still in Final Cut
old marlin
they realized that most of their userbase is slowly dying
ashen spindle
Meta has been doing open source for ages
wheat plume
Hmmm
ashen spindle
They directly sponsor the Linux foundation, basically all Ai stuff is open source to some degree, old hardware like the quest go is opened after end of live
Open or closed doesn’t change if a company is good or evil
crimson wigeon
Also useful things like zstd
wheat plume
Hmmm
They sponsor Linux foundation
Interesting
Guess that makes sense
If they use Linux for their servers
late spruce
Akkos Mod 007 RT isnt even comparable to wootings. And dont even get me started on the usability of the software.
old marlin
sorry, this is better
wheat plume
👀
old marlin
DNworks sucks tho
wheat plume
wait, is that a screen or printed out photos???
wheat plume
oooohhhhh
old marlin
for kpop photo bs
wheat plume
XD
old marlin
or yu gi oh cards
old marlin
or yu gi oh cards
yes, actually intended
wheat plume
y tho
old marlin
stupid expensive (1.3k usd), as all dnworks boards are
wheat plume
.....bruh
old marlin
I mean it is full alu
old marlin
yea dnworks is always stupid expensive
- this is kpop bait
so people will buy it for 
reasons no matter what
mortal saddle
Yes it is. Horrible stabs to works with. Even on their most expensive keyboards.
old marlin
When next gen NH D15
next year (as always)
hardy idol
mhm
vagrant pagoda
like, worth to wait or do I just get a D15 and ball
Put 2 3k industrials on a P1
hardy idol
Yes that would work if I was 100% focused on cooling
However, the new gen will have more heatpipes, more fins etc.
so it'll cool better with less fan speed.
I like the silence
severe phoenix
gusty kiln
https://www.notebookcheck.net/MINISFORUM-confirms-165-Hz-refresh-rate-and-Displa...
Cool it's most likely 16:10
14 inch pretty big though
astral haven
That's what the rumor shows, and surfaces are fine
gusty kiln
Haven't tried a recent surface
astral haven
We use them at work and they are great
vagrant pagoda
https://www.notebookcheck.net/MINISFORUM-confirms-165-Hz-refresh-rate-and-Displa...
based
old marlin
https://i.redd.it/hkphqjzyz2ob1.jpg
wtf is that
vagrant pagoda
dp in would be amazing
gusty kiln
Can't wait to see the I/O
astral haven
Tbh I'm fine with a bit of a chonker, surface laptop studio is awesome
vagrant pagoda
i would of love if the surfacebook caught on
dgpu and battery in kb is amazing
think about tb5 for the kb with a dgpu
astral haven
I have a surface book 2 that I bring to sites, it's sweet
astral haven
think about tb5 for the kb with a dgpu
Ew
Just do actual pcie
Leave the thunderbolt for the externals
gusty kiln
I hope for a nice kick stand instead of just 1 position
vagrant pagoda
Leave the thunderbolt for the externals
isnt sb only pcie x4 though?
astral haven
The reason to use thunderbolt is if you have zero warning hotplug
Thunderbolt sacrifices 30+% bandwidth for that
astral haven
Or instead you could use pcie and have the thunderbolt available for other stuff
frozen ingot
my escooter is also fwd
vagrant pagoda
i never got why there are no og motocompo clones
vagrant pagoda
price a bit steep for the specs tho
whats the price?>
frozen ingot
a grand
hardy idol
give me the old one
short thorn
Sorry if this has been asked but are the new batch 60he and 2he exactly the same apart from the size?
frozen ingot
if it was about the same price as my current scoot I'd be interested
vagrant pagoda
i have a ubran express deluce
hardy idol
frozen ingot
been zipping around on that for about a year now
my fatass gets like 25-30km range on that thing
going 30km/h tops
frozen ingot
and it goes into the trunk as well
vagrant pagoda
i like the moped more
frozen ingot
not the sleekest thing in the world
vagrant pagoda
china clone
frozen ingot
have to remove bike and holder to open trunk
hardy idol
have to remove bike and holder to open trunk
nope
gusty kiln
gusty kiln
Seems like asus is expecting to sell a lot of 7800xts
Usually don't make that many skus for amd cards
hardy idol
have to remove bike and holder to open trunk
it basically goes like this
vagrant pagoda
everything with manual gears and a 125-300 is the same honda clone
hardy idol
ours isn't a 4 bike one tho so it's even more clearance
frozen ingot
still now you got like 2 meters of stuff protruding out of the back 
vagrant pagoda
the deluxe is like 1/2 the weight
2 stroke
i have the spree gearing in it
it dose 60 too
hardy idol
still now you got like 2 meters of stuff protruding out of the back <:mm:6381429...
the problem?
hardy idol
Also if I want to transport my bike without adding to the dimensions of my car I'll take the chevy
vagrant pagoda
plus dosent it look amazing
not mine
but mines the same color
its oil injected 2 stroke
i have a 70cc in it
and it is mean af sounding
i love it
ridding wheelies on a cvt is more gangsta though XD
astral haven
speaking of tho, since when did macos have installer guides??
until now ive always had to use that absolutely awful drag to install popup
crisp granite
No /s, that’s completely true
astral haven
and at the end it automatically prompted me to delete the installer file!
astral haven
No /s, that’s completely true
lol be serious
crisp granite
lol be serious
I am being serious
astral haven
sure but it is worse on every metric
crisp granite
This is my serious face
astral haven
you can prefer form over function or whatever but its objectively less functional
astral haven
speaking of tho, since when did macos have installer guides??
but when did this happen, this is a vast improvement
astral haven
its just a matter of what brand of bs you are willing to put up with 🤷
cursive summit
I tried so hard to de-windows, but linux requires tweaking for doing basically the smallest of things
wheat plume
ffs
steep creek
its just a matter of what brand of bs you are willing to put up with 🤷
true lol
cursive summit
Try not to open terminal challenge (impossible)
wheat plume
I used terminal to install OBS cause its faster xd
in obs-studio
super quick
yes, I have aliases, I love them
cursive summit
I'd open CMD on Windows maybe.. once every 3 months for some netstat reasons?
wheat plume
in = sudo pacman -S
cursive summit
With Linux terminal is mandatory to do anything
wheat plume
I'd open CMD on Windows maybe.. once every 3 months for some netstat reasons?
I open CMD in Windows to install apps using winget
cursive summit
And it pisses me off
astral haven
Try not to open terminal challenge (impossible)
so far ive only been required to open terminal on macos to disable mouse acceleration
what morons dont put in a toggle for mouse acceleration
wheat plume
I dont, I use terminal cause its faster for me
especially for installing apps and updates
cursive summit
Yeah Fym I'll agree with you that I'd much rather use Mac over Linux
Even if I hate the damn apple
astral haven
so far ive only been required to open terminal on macos to ***disable mouse acce...
and what would posess them to make this undo itself on reboot
but trackpad and mouse options are separate in macos
steep creek
personally i'd use windows just because ive become so used to it, second choice is mac lol
astral haven
linux is my 4th choice, but macos is my 5th
astral haven
chromeos is better than linux, and dex is better than chromeos
ashen spindle
it makes sense for macos targets that its on by default, there is not reason its not in settings especially since they go more towards gaming with porting kit and all now
cursive summit
what is 1 2 and 3
1, 2, 3?
astral haven
<:OMEGALUL:744669965457555616>
you laugh but it has an order of magnitude better app support than mac or linux
cursive summit
Last I checked they're numbers mate
steep creek
or actually i would need to put linux on second and mac on third, because of my major
cursive summit
Nah I'm stupid af but I'll take the compliment
astral haven
or actually i would need to put linux on second and mac on third, because of my ...
do you actually?
chromeos is shockingly capable if you are willing to stoop to the level of security of the other oses
steep creek
do you actually?
yah linux is far superior in fpga development than macos
astral haven
definetly superior vs dex on that front, but how about chromeos
you can get both a proper desktop and a proper terminal experience if you want
btw thats not true, its just the most convenient one (yes im talking legal options)
steep creek
ill be honest ive never really tested chromeos, but from the quick google searching, xlinx quartus and modelsim aren't available on chromeos
astral haven
time is money fam
steep creek
only win and linux
my prof said his former company used linux, but generally he just said windows is fine for us
but chromeos probably wouldnt cut it
yep, i suppose for you macos is the best solution, it covers most of my needs anyways, just except this one and a handful of others
astral haven
if you are willing to stoop to the security of windows or macos, you can get a pretty unlimited experience
steep creek
yeah for sure just depends on the person and their needs
digital cliff
I'm just a linux person because no matter how much of a pain it is sometimes, it just lets me do things the way I wanna do things, ultimately
cursive summit
How's that not achievable on windows?
astral haven
How's that not achievable on windows?
how about the other way around?
cursive summit
I'm just a linux person because no matter how much of a pain it is sometimes, it...
Like, you are just more limited for really no gain other than dubious performance improvements and "de-microsoft"
old marlin
How's that not achievable on windows?
install a different desktop enviroment on windows
astral haven
install a different desktop enviroment on windows
ez pz actually, there are tons of apps for that
cursive summit
I don't like what Microsoft is doing at all but Linux and Apple are far more limited to be a viable choice for a painless experience
astral haven
on linux its actually a nightmare and a half because of how far down the roots go of the gui
cursive summit
install a different desktop enviroment on windows
Wdym by that, desktop environment?
What's a desktop environment
old marlin
basically what makes windows windows
instead of just a new version of dos
actually you can install windows server without a desktop enviroment
so all you get is console
astral haven
What's a desktop environment
linux ties the way the gui functions down pretty deep
it has the advantage of being able to completely rip it out
with the downside of being able to accidentally rip it out
cursive summit
basically what makes windows windows
So, a GUI?
How would you even change that in Windows
Is that even possible
old marlin
that is the point
steep creek
might be wrong but isnt a DE just flavors like xfce or gnome and such
old marlin
yea but that is preference
cursive summit
I mean, what's running in the background I do, but that's not the problem
Win11 is just a mess
digital cliff
I have every issue with how the GUI works on windows
now if I wanna change everything about it
how do
astral haven
Is that even possible
thats the thing, there are tons of things that heavily parts individually!
https://apps.microsoft.com/store/detail/fancywm-dynamic-tiling-window-manager/9P1741LKHQS9?hl=en-us&gl=us
cursive summit
Meh Windows for me is a very painless experience
Would never exchange that for Linux
digital cliff
cool but I would
cursive summit
But then again I am not upgrading to Win11 either
old marlin
yea nobody telling you what is right
astral haven
now if I wanna change everything about it
next question is how would you change just a part of that that you dont like in linux 😛
cursive summit
So I have this weird conundrum about wtf to do until Win10 is unsupported permanently
Win11 is unusable trash I am not installing, and Linux is a non-option
cursive summit
Mac just doesn't have any of the apps I'd use
I guess I'll stay on 10 permanently
steep creek
ive had a fantastic experience on win11 personally
old marlin
same
astral haven
win 11 is basically the same
yea its literally just ui tweaks, and there are single apps that revert everything practically
wheat plume
I'm just a linux person because no matter how much of a pain it is sometimes, it...
Exactly
steep creek
i like the animations and rounded corners on win11 lol
cursive summit
That is why you like windows11?
How about them making anything accessable about Windows circa 2000s, and then just removing all of it
That, is the problem with 11
astral haven
How about them making anything accessable about Windows circa 2000s, and then ju...
what?
steep creek
lol thats just one reason but yeah
cursive summit
Mainly XP, I grew up with XP
I have little to no experience with 2000, 98, ME or whatever
Win7 I still look back at with just sad sigh, that was an amazing operating system man, I wish it came back
steep creek
i was a toddler when xp was around, grew up on vista / 7 mostly
astral haven
Win7 I still look back at with just sad sigh, that was an amazing operating syst...
what do you actually want from it???
old marlin
you are one of those people
that are stuck to win 7
because win 7
not because of actual reasons
astral haven
the only advantage i can name is it runs on actual ewaste
pale sigil
was
cursive summit
I liked the look of 8 but got no hands on experience with it
old marlin
it was amazing
pale sigil
I didn't mind W8 and loved 8.1
frozen ingot
vista sp2 basically became 7
steep creek
w7 was pretty nice at the time, but today i would pick w11 personally
pale sigil
w7 was pretty nice at the time, but today i would pick w11 personally
Id even pick 8 over 7
astral haven
like what advantage does win 7 have???
anything
cursive summit
I am kind of interested if someone's running some Win7 extreme-long-term compatibility community patch
Too much work though
steep creek
Id even pick 8 over 7
aha i never really used that one so unsure, but not a big fan of how its start menu looked like unless they changed it
frozen ingot
same
wheat plume
8.1 on phones was great, and touchscreen laptops and tablets
frozen ingot
my laptop shipped with 8.1 but then 10 released a few months later and I got a free upgrade
astral haven
8 wasnt that terrible actually, i used it for quite a while
it isnt as good as anything else you could possibly list, but it wasnt unuseable
wheat plume
I hated the gigantic window border in 8
all apps had like a 7 pixel border around them
astral haven
eh that was fixable
wheat plume
it was??
astral haven
yea there were win 7 replacement uis within weeks that made it look like 7 practically
frozen ingot
cursive summit
Oh hell yeah Windows 10 LTSC support ends 2031
wheat plume
what does the C in that mean?
cursive summit
I guess I'll stay on this trash until a proper replacement arrives
wheat plume
Long Term Support C?
cursive summit
Long Term Support C?
Carrot
old marlin
channel
wheat plume
oohh
cursive summit
Long carrot is a better name but, whatever
astral haven
Oh hell yeah Windows 10 LTSC support ends 2031
name a single advantage of 10 over 11 besides the lack of needing to hack it to support old hardware
cursive summit
I guess if Win10 will be supported with security patches until 2030s then that's perfect
astral haven
my main thank for 11 is the fixing of window management
old marlin
7 and 10 are so good
cursive summit
Linux might not suck at year 2031 so much
old marlin
could not name one advantage over 11
wheat plume
an OS named Windows needed a fix for their WINDOW management 
cursive summit
an OS named Windows needed a fix for their WINDOW management <:dogekek:113425602...
Tf are you talking about
astral haven
an OS named Windows needed a fix for their WINDOW management <:dogekek:113425602...
well as if they arent at the forefont
old marlin
I still use powertoys at work for it
wheat plume
of window management???? nah xd
have you seen the insane shit you can do in Linux? animations, blur, transparency, floating, tiling, brightness etc etc
multiple desktops
astral haven
I still use powertoys at work for it
11 integrated a ton of the window management from powertoys
and it actually properly puts windows back on the right monitors when you unplug and replug
wheat plume
window rules in plasma desktop
astral haven
have you seen the insane shit you can do in Linux? animations, blur, transparenc...
all of this is available on windows
old marlin
11 integrated a ton of the window management from powertoys
and it actually prop...
yea but you can't even customize the tiles
wheat plume
not really...
astral haven
multiple desktops
this is available on windows
wheat plume
not system wide
astral haven
not system wide
yes it is???
wheat plume
this is available on windows
yeah, but they are horrible to use on Windows 11
old marlin
the only thing windows does of that ootb is multiple desktops
wheat plume
cant drag and drop windows between them like you can on Gnome or Plasma
astral haven
yeah, but they are horrible to use on Windows 11
theres an app for that
old marlin
and very limited tiling
steep creek
i think window managment is pretty nice on w11, liek for example when coding and having a browser tab open, i can press windows arrow, to move vsc to left side, and browser to other side
astral haven
and very limited tiling
sure but its there, and microsoft has apps that expand that natively
steep creek
goes pretty quick
old marlin
powertoys does not integrate into default win 11 tiling manager
so you will have 2 separate tiling managers
steep creek
ah i just have 2 things open at max so im fine with the default lol
astral haven
so you will have 2 separate tiling managers
as long as they function together and do different things theres no problem
astral haven
you cant mix and match tiling managers on linux usually
old marlin
in different ways
astral haven
they do the same thing
definetly not
old marlin
they do though
astral haven
i mean they are more different than different tiling managers on linux
wheat plume
Powertoys does the same + more than stock 11
old marlin
sure powertoys does more
wheat plume
but differently than 11
old marlin
but they work differently even
astral haven
but they work differently even
both use the stock windows multiwindow attachments?
old marlin
with powertoys you press a hotkey while moving a window to make it the tile you want it to be by dragging it over tie tile
old marlin
both use the stock windows multiwindow attachments?
no
astral haven
win 11 has a menu at the top of the screen
yes im aware
old marlin
but powertoys overlays the tile regions over your screen
astral haven
both use the stock windows attachment
old marlin
both use the stock windows attachment
that is something different still
also not sure if powertoys actually uses that
also win 11 zones are not adjustable at all
digital cliff
windows is going the right way with desktop customization in terms of having tiling support now and all that
but it's not quite there yet in comparison
old marlin
give people the option to adjust the tile size
cause setting them up in powertoys is too overwhelming for average users
astral haven
🤷 the stock zone choices are too overwhelming for average users
reef patrol
Wake me up when window snapping actually works.
astral haven
what?
astral haven
no
drag window to a corner of your screen on 10, thats window snapping
windows 10 has 7 snaps
4 corners, left and right, and fullscreen
astral haven
like this
11 has those + hovering at the top middle giving you thirds and offsets like shown here in this popup
macos has zero by default
dex has 6
linux ofc depends, usually 7
windows window snapping also works well with touch
ok powertoys doesnt integrate with the native multiwindow resizing in 11
thats rather unfortunate, but its also something they could probably add later
but yea the biggest improvement 10 to 11 was adding the snap options, minimizing apps in monitors you remove, and restoring them when you reconnect
astral haven
this was such a huge pain to manage in 10, and ive been able to add 2 more with zero problems whatsoever
cursive summit
As Quin said and exactly same node as Orin is
Well tbf Samsung 8 is fine
Not the best performing node, but it's good, all things considered, right
astral haven
better than tsmc 16 by far lel
more important part is gpu arch
cursive summit
What, are you new here?
astral haven
id prefer a lovelace on 28nm intel than fermi on intel 18a
cursive summit
AYO
wheat plume
🤤 round edges and blur
crisp granite
And only if vexxsie pulls the plow
cursive summit
Well tbf people are making really no sense like
Orin is right now the "cutting edge" that we have
reef patrol
what?
So many apps don't remember being snapped.
So you gotta disable snapping, then manually adjust them to sit where they're supposed to, THEN reenable it
astral haven
So many apps don't remember being snapped.
win 10 or 11?
cursive summit
There's virtually no chance Nintendo will support Thor on a Switch when Thor isn't even out in general
And Orin still has new products coming out of it
astral haven
There's virtually no chance Nintendo will support Thor on a Switch when Thor isn...
sure but that still doesnt make orin cutting edge
cursive summit
So, a bit weird that people are saying Orin's old
I mean, it's old, but still better hardware wise than anything Nintendo ever put out
astral haven
it is old on current handheld cpu timescales
astral haven
I mean, it's old, but still better hardware wise than anything Nintendo ever put...
except for ages ago when they were actually temporarily at the forefront
reef patrol
win 10 or 11?
Both, either.
cursive summit
Although I would have hoped that Nintendo would make a custom SoC
astral haven
Both, either.
it definetly happened in 10, but i havent noticed it in 11
cursive summit
Though Nintendo is pretty small in terms of size compared to the big players
reef patrol
I have to do this for Steam, Spotify and Slack just to mention those I remember offhand.
If I snap these, then minimize or close, and reopen. Then they're windows again.
cursive summit
AMD could have designed Nintendo a hardware chip all things considered, rather than Nvidia's Jetson scraps that they couldn't sell and just gave to Nintendo
astral haven
interesting, sccm, excel, and everything chrome does it perfectly
astral haven
AMD could have designed Nintendo a hardware chip all things considered, rather t...
except no dlss
not a single upscaling tech besides dlss can bring a 540p image up to 4k without obvious artifacts
sure it isnt as sharp as fsr obviously
but it also avoids sharpening artifacts
astral haven
interesting, sccm, excel, and everything chrome does it perfectly
to be fair i only really use quarters, maybe it has issues with thirds?
digital cliff
If I snap these, then minimize or close, and reopen. Then they're windows again.
oh yeah love that function about windows
40 years and it doesn't remember where you placed windows
cursive summit
Uh, it does?
astral haven
maybe its an issue with steam, but all of the apps i have on my computer at work here do it
including the godawful softphone software that hasnt been updated in at least 5 years
zoom i think will unsnap itself if you open up chat, but im not gonna blame windows for that
and it doesnt happen if you use zoom in the browser
cursive summit
Also how reputable is this claim? https://twitter.com/Kald91189620/status/1702147997465723020 @ashen spindle
Twitter
Soz for the ping
astral haven
🤷 whats in a name
as long as its simultaneously faster and more efficient, they could call it the a69 for all i care
astral haven
Also how reputable is this claim? https://twitter.com/Kald91189620/status/170214...
apple wasnt innovating
they were integrating innovations from others
at the begining they had a ton to add, but now they are running out
smoky frigate
silicon innovation, as in their chipsets?
M1 looks pretty good from benchmarking. can't wait to one day get my hands on a unit to play around with loonix
astral haven
its not impressive ime
the big problem with m1 I would assume is the ssd controller, the fact that our m1 mac mini was less responsive than our 2014 mac mini with half the ram and a sata ssd was really sad
and the only benchmark where the m1 takes a dump is in ssd benchmarks
apple's main win has been on the gpu efficiency front
they have really pushed phone gpu performance
smoky frigate
I see. I never even held an apple device save for an ipod nano once, lel. maybe next time
astral haven
yea also we only have an m1 here at work, and the m1 mini is the most basic of basic m1s
the more storage you get the better it benchmarks apparently
and i would assume that you can bruteforce past this issue with more ram
on the other hand, benchmarks of the base m2 seem to be worse than m1 in terms of ssd as well
so just buy m2 ultra in the mac studio ofc
/s
literally opening apps
sure users dont care about 10 seconds vs 5, but its still there
you may not have noticed it since you dont have a base storage device, but its really bad on the m1 mini
yea im pretty sure the 16 inch also has dual ssds
ye and if they bruteforce fix the problem sure
but like any dram nvme would run circles around it considering it performs on par with sata ssds in terms of qd1 IO
like ive seen qd0 writes in the single digit thousands
even a sata ssd can do 50k
my nvme in my main machine can do 2 million, and the average nvme can sustain at least 100k
i mention my nvme because apple charges more for their ssd than mine cost per tb
sure but they will use nvme
if the lcd ribbon on your laptop fails and kills your cpu
the data is gone
if my laptop were designed in such a way that that was possible, and it happened, i could decrypt the data using the page of numbers I put in my safe
people buying the devices dont know about the various failures that end up with your data inaccessible, and most of those would not happen on a mac with an nvme
but even if you have a removeable drive on your new mac, the encryption is stored in the cpu, and is not backuppable or recoverable if anything serious happens to the motherboard
on windows you can simulate it, by bitlockering your drive and just not saving the key
and its equally secure
astral haven
yea they are alright, you pay for accelerators, and apple has most of geekbench accelerated already
cursive summit
I guess the claim A17 just being essentially an "A16 Pro" that gets some extra perf from a node jump and bigger clocks has some credence
astral haven
same could be said for basically every cpu besides the 8121u
its extremely possible to make a cpu worse with a better node, and apple at this point has integrated all of the modern cpu advancements that I am aware of that could help on a phone besides 3d chiplets
apple claims far better gpu perf mostly, and geekbench doesnt really account for that
steep creek
Also how reputable is this claim? https://twitter.com/Kald91189620/status/170214...
i believe its true. see here
https://www.qualcomm.com/news/releases/2021/01/qualcomm-acquire-nuvia
cursive summit
Yeah I already looked that up
steep creek
ah
cursive summit
Qualcomm is going to be very interesting
I hope that those 8cx chips or whatever will improve mightily
steep creek
they are doing quite well especially in the graphics department. im excited to see how they innovate
cursive summit
They have a lot of work to do on mobile
But there's a buttload on desktop
If Apple can do M1 and M2 on desktop, Qualcomm can make their own competitor
Just need enough effort to do so
steep creek
yeah for example surface studio arm editon is made by qualcomn, but its not quite on par with apple silicon yet. though i think in a few years they'll for sure be in a betters situation
given how close to a sereies snapdragon is
cursive summit
Well yeah there has been a lot of work already done on making Snapdragons run Windows
But they are very weak for that purpose
Performance and optimizations are key
steep creek
yeap not that good yet
cursive summit
Apple is a double trillion dollar company running a closed source ecosystem lol
They optimize everything just for their shit
Qualcomm needs to optimize for Windows which is notoriously dirty to work with
steep creek
yeah its also easier because they dont relase near as many products as windows or android has
there are less devices to optimize for
cursive summit
A massive undertaking for qual but I hope for their success
steep creek
likewise im excited to see what they do
i'd for sure be down for an all arm windows pc when performance is on par
ashen spindle
yes apple lost people to amd/nuvia mostly and nuvia got bought by QC but qc isnt going to jump ahead suddenly either
M1 had the luxury of being a clean slate thats why it's good
astral haven
its also a rather huge chip with a ton of cache and its a rather deep design
fickle ore
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHZGyKwROW0&t=258s
Yesterday's Nvidia OTA ReBar patch for Starfield
astral haven
tldw?
astral haven
another what 15% to go to hit industry average amd:nvidia perf ratio?
fickle ore
They just compared 4060 prepatch vs patch in one small section, but I'd assume so. Still needs more patches to catchup.
last wing
@woven laurel this what my 6 lines of js looks like from the front with the css behind hahaha
fickle ore
TBH I'd have wanted to see more DX12 vs DX11 breakdowns from the 7800 xt reviews compared to 4070. From quickly viewing it seemed like the 7800xt was doing a lot better in DX12 vs baseline and worse in dx11 vs baseline.
With that in mind one is more futureproof
last wing
recognizeable
this proj im working on is pretty cool though, one page of it is literally a motion design project thats all coded no pre rendered animation
u can do full animation like in after effects with full graph editor control
woven laurel
last wing
i just wish there was a native motion blur in css
woven laurel
motion design
last wing
or even a directional blur
so u could fake it
there is a way to fake it but its overcomplicated and the look leaves alot left to be desired
last wing
ty ty
woven laurel
good luck with that
last wing
i dont mind styling as much as just coding for responsive design
such a huge pain in the but.
i code mobile to desktop but most stuff i build is built with desktop in mind so it feels like im always working against myself
building it then breaking it down for a palateable form for mobile then re building through media queries
woven laurel
ah react native?
last wing
nooo, sorry haha 😅 i meant in the direction of my code
i code for the website to be built for mobile then do desktop through media q
instead of vice versa
woven laurel
lol I use a npm package for that
I just cba
and hopefully I never have to work on that
woven laurel
fair oasis
Me it's my ram sticks
But getting my 32 gb of ram Saturday 3600mhz cuz tahgz what I could only find
And storage
Finally grt new storage 2 tb of ssd
last wing
i need to upgrade tbh
my cpu is getting carried through everything thanks to my 3090ti
luckily most of my work is either hardware accelerated or gpu based anyways
spark gorge
Hey there,
I have a question for KB driver devs about the macro keys : Is it possible to extend the Windows Keys enum to make them mappable as "real" keys, so we don't need to map key combinations to these macros
For example:
Inside an app, when I press M1, instead of seding CTRL + A, it would really send M1 ?
(maybe wrong channel, sorry)
last wing
im not sure about kb driver stuff but dev side, the program would have to have a "m1" specified in its language in order to send as "m1" if that makes sense
fair gull
Hey there,
I have a question for KB driver devs about the macro keys : Is it pos...
youd just use a custom scancode
and then you need to interface with the raw io apis and not some abstraction like virtual keys
so it only works if you can implement low enough of a software to read scancodes from windows io queue
spark gorge
aaah that's what I was scared about, if I can't use the virtual keys, the games won't be able to see "raw" M1 right?
fair gull
even if you can use virtual keys most games dont support some stuff
like f13-f24 for example
a lot of windows made tools also dont support them and either show ? or nothing as the selected key
youre best of sticking to some key combinations
also please try to only post a question in 1 channel to avoid split answers and such
spark gorge
yes, sorry, I jut forgot to remove that one when I post in the other channel
thank you for your answer, I suppose it will be easier to stick with the key combinations
fair gull
in general if you want most compatibility stick with the existing stuff
spark gorge
Yeah, I my problem is just for example if I want to use a soundboard software (without a pad hardware), I would like to map the macro keys inside this software but I don't want a key combination like CTRL + A because in that case the character in the game would crouch and do random actions
Unused key combinations are hard to find
fair gull
you can always try using f13-f24
but most game engines and programs dont know how to handle it properly
if youre lucky it works
spark gorge
aaaah interesting !
fair gull
anyway i gtg
spark gorge
alright, thank you for your time o/
haughty vector
anyone know if intel cpus like the 13900k/13700k are faster for gaming compared to 7900x or 7800x3d?
if so, why are they faster?
ashen spindle
depends on the game
some games like more clocks, some like more cache, some like somethting niche that only one of the does great
wheat plume
Yet Another Chrome UI change
This time Material You!!!
Actually looks super good, GG google
haughty vector
hmm that makes sense
wheat plume
ashen spindle
like the extra cache helps the 7800x3d in many cases, if a came only uses cache sizes that even smaller cpus have, you wont see any gains etc,
haughty vector
many people say the 7800x3d is the bests gaming cpu is that true?
astral haven
depends on the game
ashen spindle
in most tests on average it does come out as the best
but if you for example just have 1 main game you play it's worth looking that benchmarks for that since it could be an outlier
astral haven
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/intel-core-i9-13900ks/18.html
heres a site that tests a huge list of games, if your favorite games arent on there, watch the most recent HUB processor review
if you just want the highest fps for most games, then yes the 7800x3d is the easiest choice
haughty vector
are ryzen cpus better to buy for upgrade potential in the future?
astral haven
its better to avoid thinking about upgrade potential unless it exists
the last consumer socket lasted quite a while, but the last prosumer socket lasted one generation
despite promises otherwise
ashen spindle
they are in the sense the current platform will get new cpus unlike for intel, but yeah, that should be far down on the consideration list
because what if you dont end up upgrading despite planning etc.
astral haven
and if you dont like the performance now, you shouldnt buy it now
haughty vector
do you guys think it’s a good idea to buy a gpu now or wait until next year?
ashen spindle
there will always be new things coming or stuff getting cheaper, so the question is what do you want and is the current price you need for it ok for you
astral haven
also how bad is your current pc
i am not upgrading cpu or gpu this generation because my pc is good enough (and current parts arent better enough)
haughty vector
so currently i have an 8700k and a 1080ti
astral haven
and your monitor specs?
haughty vector
my pc is starting to not run the games that i play at constant 240fps at 1080p
fickle ore
so currently i have an 8700k and a 1080ti
this requires serious upgrade
haughty vector
240hz
fickle ore
na kidding ur fine, just drop graphics and reso
haughty vector
yeah i stated playing most of my games at stretched res and i still don’t get constant 240
astral haven
roger
you can probably upgrade your gpu quite significantly, but games that can run at 240hz probably dont care much about gpu
haughty vector
yeah i was thinking of just upgrading cpu for now until the next series of gpus come out
astral haven
the next problem tho is that you can probably only get 20% extra performance from cpu
ashen spindle
depends on the games again though, looking at hub numbers for starfield, a 7800x3d would be 90 a 8700k 58fps
astral haven
my pc is starting to not run the games that i play at constant 240fps at 1080p
starfield isnt a game that can run at 240fps on anything tho
astral haven
name some important ones
then look up performance comparisons of those games
ashen spindle
csgo depending on what scenario it can nearly double fps
fickle ore
and i’m thinking about streaming too
for streaming and maintaining good fps youll prob want an AV1 card
astral haven
for streaming and maintaining good fps youll prob want an AV1 card
on the other hand by the time that its supported for everyone, a new gen of gpus will be out
haughty vector
do u guys have any good benchmark sites
i found one specifically for valorant but idk how reliable it is
ashen spindle
techpowerup and techspot as written sites mostly
astral haven
3dmark exists but is not useful for comparing gaming performance
ashen spindle
something like valorant is hard because online games have the issue of you cant perfectly recreate games
so testing hardware to compare is hard/impossible
so for something like valorant looking at some youtube videos about it, but also cross checking if the numbers make sense
haughty vector
honestly im probably just gonna upgrade my pc next year since it’s still running good
anyone got tips to optimize cpu performance tho?
astral haven
tune ram settings
the skylake cpus are very happy to increase performance with faster ram
ashen spindle
ram settings, lower settings in games that dont make a visible difference, effects can eat fps, dont run other stuff in the background that arent just discord or chrome
haughty vector
how do i tune ram settings
last time i tried changing anything with the ram, my pc almost exploded
warm night
yes i love spending hours stability testing after changing a single subtiming
astral haven
if it takes hours to stability test, you are using the wrong stability tests
steep creek
https://github.com/integralfx/MemTestHelper/blob/oc-guide/DDR4%20OC%20Guide.md
i was being lazy and just enabled xmp, i should follow this guide sometime when its weekend, thanks
warm night
slight exaggeration
haughty vector
does it increase performance if you have more ram than needed?
like i have 48gb of ddr4 ram but i think it’s running at a slower speed
warm night
but it takes about 1h30 using absolut preset in TM5
ashen spindle
no for games you want faster ram not more capacity
astral haven
but it takes about 1h30 using absolut preset in TM5
tm5 is a final stability test, you can run 5 minutes of occt in the middle
warm night
meh i got there in the end
astral haven
like i have 48gb of ddr4 ram but i think it’s running at a slower speed
you could possibly increase performance by going down to 32gb, as long as the 32gb runs faster
warm night
i got garbage ICs and 4 DIMMS isn't helping the memory controller
astral haven
meh i got there in the end
same, but you could have saved 1h25 per instance
astral haven
i overclocked my 2400 sticks up to 3800
thanks oem bdie 😛
warm night
it genuinely doesn't POST even at like 3466
ya mine are 2400
if i had 2 dimms only i might get a little further but i don't really have the best chips anyway so eh
astral haven
99% of 2400 sticks wont oc that far lel
i knowingly bought bdie so that i would be able to overclock them that far
warm night
3800 is nice tho
ya when i bought i didnt know what was happening man
if i knew i would have put a little more thought
i just thought that ram is ram
warm night
that's true
I'm on ryzen so i was just pushing frequency as high as i can
didnt get very far but 3200 is still definitely a good improvement
warm night
didnt even realise what the topic was before tbf
i just saw the ddr4 overclocking guide and was like oh i know a little about this
warm night
https://kingfaris.co.uk/blog/intel-ram-oc-impact/summary
wow that's actually quite a difference
astral haven
you can even have 2666 be faster than 3600 if you tune hard enough
astral haven
the dude is an actual serious overclocker, and the sticks used are extremely capable overclocking sticks (3200 flat 14s from the days that those guaranteed bdie)
astral haven
🤷 its not luck if you are tactical about it
warm night
how can i be tactical with a cpu
i bought it very late in the production run and still got garbage
astral haven
you might very well not have gotten garbage, just not known how to take advantage of it
warm night
apparently those later ryzen 5 3600s can do 4.4ghz with relative ease and i cant boot at 4.2
tbf my board was pretty bad i could try again if I really wanted to
got a more capable board now
astral haven
ryzen you dont want to fix the clocks on 3000 or later
warm night
i know
you should trust pbo bla bla bla
but if you find what voltage you stabilize at under load
you can treat that as a limit for static voltage
astral haven
except you dont want to have a static voltage...
warm night
shrug people were getting 4.3+ ghz allcore doing that
astral haven
people claim, but the proof is limited
warm night
maybe im misinformed but as far as i could see a static oc was pretty good for the later produced 3600s
astral haven
and even then, you can do a whole lot with voltage and you still dont want to set the static voltage to what your voltage stabilizes at, because you get lower performance than you would if it were running pbo
because the 3600 can run 4.6 if the load is light enough nearly guaranteed
warm night
mine never did that wtf
warm night
the highest it ever got was around 4.2 and i had hwinfo open basically all the time
i must have had a bad chip then unless im missing something lol
i did have pbo enabled and whatnot
astral haven
but you are also nearly guaranteed to have loads you cant stabilize at 4.2
warm night
i get what you're saying
its whatever now though my 5700x is a champ
sits happily at 4.65 allcore
haughty vector
https://github.com/integralfx/MemTestHelper/blob/oc-guide/DDR4%20OC%20Guide.md
i’m ngl this make my brain hurt
astral haven
i’m ngl this make my brain hurt
its a series of instructions with some background
if you need an eli5, i can probably help
haughty vector
nah i just need to be on my computer
tryna read through it while i’m at the gym
astral haven
well make sure you stay hydrated lel
haughty vector
should i install any software to test out my ram first?
warm night
aida64 has a benchmark you can use to see what increase in performance
though i think the free version doesnt show you everything
astral haven
this also works for latency
https://chipsandcheese.com/memory-latency-test/
warm night
ah yes the javascript memory benchmark
warm night
that's cool
warm night
just semi surprised it works in the browser
astral haven
https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/download/736633/intel-memory-latency-che...
MLC is pretty good but not comparable between intel and amd
astral haven
but it isnt free, and also is pretty big and slow to run
warm night
there are ways around one of those points
astral haven
2, but it still isnt great
haughty vector
i downloaded the testmem5 thing
warm night
like i said it's good enough for me
astral haven
if you have intel, just run mlc as admin and that will be the best option
warm night
i do not have intel
astral haven
i downloaded the testmem5 thing
for you i would suggest OCCT
warm night
occt is good
warm night
1 hour is enough until you are doing final test anyway isn't it
astral haven
its actually good enough for the final test generally
astral haven
in occt ye
warm night
id still do another hour just for my own peace of mind but that's pretty good damn
haughty vector
where do i find the memory tester
warm night
i usually test with a gpu load too to increase ambient case temp tho
can be pretty temp sensitive sometimes
haughty vector
warm night
i think they were after memory test
its included in the program, occt does a few things that aren't just memory
astral haven
occt to check stability
mlc to check speed
warm night
where do i find the memory tester
they said tester here so i assume that's what they wanted anyway
astral haven
they also linked to the benchmark, so I clarified
warm night
fair enough
astral haven
about?
haughty vector
the whole process
astral haven
step 1, check speed
step 2, increase speed
step 3 check stability
step 4 go to step 1
warm night
to be fair theres a lot of technical or technical sounding words in that guide and a lot of new information
but thats pretty much it for how
haughty vector
so first should i take out 16gb of ram and just use the faster ones?
warm night
you have 2 different kits?
haughty vector
yes'
warm night
itll limit your maximum potential
haughty vector
and i think theyre running slow because one is slowing down the other
astral haven
unless you got insanely lucky thats probably for the best
warm night
depends if you wanna give up 32gb
astral haven
can you give model numbers?
haughty vector
nah my 32gb is faster i think
warm night
doesn't the revision determine what IC you get with corsair
like im p sure model is useless
cuz i have 2 kits with same model and diff ICs
astral haven
yea but everyone besides corsair you can generally tell
its probably gonna be easiest if you yeet the pny, but if you want to spend the time to find out what chips each of those are, they might be the same
and if they are the same, itll be fine to keep them
well depending on your motherboard, but probably itll be fine
warm night
funny thing is my new board that's better in every way is worse with 4 dimms
because its daisy chained
i could boot 3466 before, cant now
astral haven
well daisy chain just makes things alot harder, generally tho you can match ttop max freq
warm night
but tangent aside yeah it's best to use 2 dimms
astral haven
unless its t top
astral haven
and you can actually get more performance out of 4 sticks than 2 in the limit
warm night
the pny kit is probably cheap
astral haven
the cheapest ram i own is the fastest
warm night
not the most likely outcome
astral haven
no but it can be worth to check
warm night
not saying it isnt
I'm just saying that its probably for the better to only use 2 dimms
astral haven
if you want to check @haughty vector the program to check is called taiphoon burner
warm night
its not always accurate but it tends to be alright
astral haven
I'm just saying that its probably for the better to only use 2 dimms
almost definetly, but its also not impossible to check
warm night
the only way to really know is take them out of the pc and look
warm night
almost definetly, but its also not impossible to check
yeah ur entirely right
its worth a look
haughty vector
what’s the delete key on the 60he?
haughty vector
bru i been spamming that for the bios
haughty vector
msi z370a pro
astral haven
60%s dont have f2 lel
warm night
fn and 2
warm night
that's true
astral haven
(hold shift when pressing restart)
haughty vector
i think the keyboard doesn’t turn on until the timing for the bios is done
man.
is there another way to go into the bios
astral haven
hold shift and hit restart.
that brings you to the recovery menu, then troubleshooting> advanced> uefi> restart
zero timing needed
haughty vector
alright thank you
warm night
i have a similar issue where if i hit any key too early the keyboard does this thing and wont register any keypresses for a few seconds not letting me into bios
luckily systemd-boot lets me reboot to bios anyway so i just have to wait for my bootloader to load up
the keyboard works by then
haughty vector
i have made to the bios
warm night
proud
haughty vector
i think i just send it and go to the highest frequency for my ram
warm night
that is not the ideal plan of action
young pecan
Go to the rated frequency. Overclocking RAM doesn’t give good perf increase and just gives you shitloads of instability.
warm night
incorrect
it can and will give you meaningful increases and is perfectly stable given you test it enough
haughty vector
tbh i’m not gonna test it for now i just want to have stable better performance
young pecan
Meaningful increase in the real world that isn’t run to run variation? What platform are you using?
haughty vector
do i just keep all the voltage setting on auto?
astral haven
Meaningful increase in the real world that isn’t run to run variation? What plat...
1151, skylake fam
young pecan
Bruh I used to have a 6700k.
haughty vector
alright i just saved my settings hopefully pc don’t explode
warm night
we shouldn't touch voltage until we know what ICs you have but the board might set some random ass dram voltage if you increase freq
haughty vector
yea i just left everything on auto
astral haven
Bruh I used to have a 6700k.
you could probably tune that baby to match a 10th gen as long as the game doesnt need coars
warm night
1.3 is probably safe no matter what
young pecan
Huh. I’ll be damned SOTR and Fortnite actually get a reasonable increase to speed.
haughty vector
only thing i changed was adjusted dram frequency
warm night
probably
haughty vector
and i changed it to the regular frequency it should be at which is 3200
astral haven
only thing i changed was adjusted dram frequency
set it back to auto and enable xmp
if xmp wasnt enabled
warm night
haven't they mixed kits tho
astral haven
thats gonna be the best performance you can get in the min time
young pecan
you could probably tune that baby to match a 10th gen as long as the game doesnt...
Too bad everything needs cores now.
warm night
which xmp profile would it use
astral haven
Too bad everything needs cores now.
besides most comp fps games
young pecan
Weeeell, everything like actually modern. Not playing Minecraft on a skylake CPU lmao.
I refuse to give up 3D cache.
astral haven
if you have 3d cache, you dont have skylake
young pecan
5800X3D. Skylake was my CPU of 2 upgrades ago.
astral haven
although i could probably get my 9900k to beat your 5800x3d if i tried hard enough
haughty vector
ok i turned xmp on
astral haven
save, exit, hope it boots
warm night
although i could probably get my 9900k to beat your 5800x3d if i tried hard enou...
it should until you run into something cache heavy
young pecan
although i could probably get my 9900k to beat your 5800x3d if i tried hard enou...
Not where it counts. 
I got the thing for the FPS boost to GW2. That game really runs like ass.
Devs need to just switch it to modern rendering and legitimate multicore.
astral haven
it should until you run into something cache heavy
wrong, if i run into something cache heavy, itll hit the ram, and ill get far more performance boost from a ram oc
warm night
your overclocked ram isnt as fast as l3 cache
astral haven
gotta remember that the cores in a 9900k are faster than the cores in a 5800x
haughty vector
time to test performance 😈
warm night
are they
young pecan
Intel cores are usually faster, AMD compensates with stuff like X3D.
astral haven
and cpuz singlecore isnt games nor is it a true singlethreaded benchmark
warm night
okay
astral haven
ive seen 38ns in aida64 and mlc
warm night
that is a point I can't argue with
young pecan
I mean Intel has been practicing the monolithic CPU game for what? 10 years of quad core? Not like they don’t have practice.
astral haven
I mean Intel has been practicing the monolithic CPU game for what? 10 years of q...
yup
and 9900k is just more cores stapled onto the quad core
haughty vector
heres a pic of my ram settings does everything look fine?
astral haven
seems good!
warm night
its a good start
astral haven
run mlc and screenshot the result
warm night
yes
young pecan
Screenshot doesn’t really give info other than ‘it’s booted’.
young pecan
Timings are timings, he probably mentioned that earlier, no?
young pecan
Would be on the box, at least for a decent kit.
astral haven
yes but those arent the spd timings, those are the xmp timings
so its working as expected
this is what we call "an improvement"
astral haven
booted but also booted with xmp
young pecan
That game still tanks FPS by looking at the skybox which is incredible it can even do that still.
astral haven
some boards will try xmp once and if it fails boot without xmp even tho its enabled
warm night
how is that game so demanding i never knew
astral haven
crysis 1 or 3?
warm night
3
young pecan
Dude have you ever actually played it on max settings? Genuinely it’s nuts.
warm night
that could do it
young pecan
It’s honestly the most bizarre game. Everything is gorgeous and the UX looks like it’s from 2010 because it is.
warm night
i really enjoyed it tbf i dunno how it was generally recieved
astral haven
yea crysis 3 is still out graphically resolving many modern games
astral haven
The studio's next title, hunt showdown, released in 2020 is still the crown for graphical realism besides HLA
warm night
so basically they are good at making graphics graphically good
astral haven
yep
warm night
that is quite possibly the worst way i could have put that
im going to blame it on the fact that it's 1am
haughty vector
ok i think it helped a lot
astral haven
yup
they dont make the most artistic games (IMO), but they definetly make the most graphically impressive
true quest
sucks it became overly casual
warm night
ok i think it helped a lot
that's good
young pecan
Friendly reminder that Crysis 3 maxed out with RT at 4k can tank a 4090 down to like 15 FPS. 
warm night
while graphics are always amazing to see i feel like they could put all that power into something else sometimes
like we have literal AI cores in our gpus cant we use these for other stuff (probably definitely farfetched)
astral haven
like we have literal AI cores in our gpus cant we use these for other stuff (pro...
Let me introduce you to dlss
warm night
apart from that
astral haven
"apart from that" what do you want it to do????
warm night
probably stupid and impossible but something like using ai for npcs and stuff in gamed
that's probably impossible
but you know
astral haven
Ai cores are awful for npcs
astral haven
Apparently not
young pecan
Actually why are AI cores bad for NPCs? I figure there’d be some dynamic behaviour or whatever you can do with them, no? They’re a hardware accelerator and thus good for like one specific task but would that not be applicable? It’s really late I don’t remember shit about this.
warm night
idk ok my main point was that they could make games play better instead of look better
warm night
Actually why are AI cores bad for NPCs? I figure there’d be some dynamic behavio...
that was my train of thought
astral haven
Actually why are AI cores bad for NPCs? I figure there’d be some dynamic behavio...
Because the decision trees of ais is actually really serial
So like x causes y causes z
young pecan
Right but why can’t they be designed to be more dynamic?
astral haven
The Ai cores are for massive data crunching through gigantic vectors
astral haven
Right but why can’t they be designed to be more dynamic?
More dynamic = more serial
warm night
so basically improving npc ai with hardware acceleration is not happening
any time soon
astral haven
Now if you were simulating 100,000 npcs doing the same thing that's where those cores might help
young pecan
Yeah that’s what I mean.