The phone is like $35 a month.
#🔌│tech
young pecan
pale sigil
The phone is like $35 a month.
Does not change the point
young pecan
Yes it literally does because your point is based on math that's wrong.
The brainrot is strong.
lofty pivot
the plans are very different in aus. They actually give massive discounts on the phone, his upgrade plan is probably worth more than the sell/trade in value he could get
raw zephyr
🍿
pale sigil
8x$35
lofty pivot
so if he was going to upgrade regularly it works out cheaper
steep creek
tbh i was hoping for a new mac relase, might as well go for one of the existing ones. cant be bothered to wait a year for m3 lol
pale sigil
Gone with nothing to show for it
young pecan
so if he was going to upgrade regularly it works out cheaper
This man gets it. that's the plan.
pale sigil
If your renewal is in 2 month
pale sigil
Also $35 a month for a sim is a bit nuts
lofty pivot
? that's not weird
young pecan
^
lofty pivot
i think my plan is $50 here
young pecan
Sim, 200 gigs of data, phone insurance.
lofty pivot
in what worlds is $35 a month for your phone nuts
young pecan
Aussieland good. :D
pale sigil
Wait actually
digital cliff
iunno I pay 12
young pecan
We might have shitternet but we do have pretty good MSPs.
pale sigil
We talking Austrian dollars as I forgot
wheat plume
ALL NEW DESIGN LOL NO
pale sigil
I pay £8 for 40gb data 5G
young pecan
We talking Austrian dollars as I forgot
Lmfao yes. Australian Pesos.
Oh and my plan was obtained during a holiday with my 10 so it's cheaper and that carries over into any of my new phones.
pale sigil
Eh still high but not as bad as $$
lofty pivot
i'm sure there's cheaper plans, but I pay $50 because it's unlimited 5g and that's like 500/500 up down
cursive summit
ALL NEW DESIGN LOL NO
Lana if you couldn't be bothered to watch with the rest of us, please don't repost everything we just watched
pale sigil
Idk, maybe I'm stupid I guess, but paying for 6 months for a phone and giving it away to start paying for a new one is just iffy and basically means you rented and didn't own shit.
young pecan
So I pay whatever the phone price is over 36 months + $15, that's just about the best steal you can get for modern phones.
pale sigil
When you finish a contract you can at least resell the phone normally.
young pecan
Ok sure but I don't actually care for that.
astral haven
Idk, maybe I'm stupid I guess, but paying for 6 months for a phone and giving it...
well you rent the access to the cell network too, why not the phone?
lofty pivot
it just means if he replaces his phone regularly it works out cheaper for him than selling and less hassle too
young pecan
36 month contract ending in a probably $700 phone at the end is honestly not worth the waiting with a slowly decaying phone. Just shittier value.
pale sigil
The idea of even replacing your phone so often or spending ovet a grand on one baffles me
young pecan
Well I don't spend over a grand.
pale sigil
36 month contract ending in a probably $700 phone at the end is honestly not wor...
Jesus Christ 36 months?!?!?!
lofty pivot
have you sold stuff on fb? Those people be scum of the earth. Last phone I sold there was a fiesco of the guy arriving with $100 less than agreed
young pecan
Jesus Christ 36 months?!?!?!
Well yeah because I never get to the end.
If I'm always renewing the contract yearly then it doesn't make sense to pay higher per month.
Duh.
pale sigil
I don't think it's even legal to have 24 months in most countries these days
sharp badger
Here i pay like €23 for 200Mbit/s, Unlimited surfing, Free calling and also can use network for free in the Nordic/Baltic regions
astral haven
Idk, maybe I'm stupid I guess, but paying for 6 months for a phone and giving it...
also right now my work would pay $120over 2 years to buy an iphone 13 vs just the base cost of the plan
halcyon willow
have you sold stuff on fb? Those people be scum of the earth. Last phone I sold ...
OfferUp is worse
lofty pivot
for real, after my experience with that I just only sell my old tech to friends now. Get a bit less but I don't have to deal with weirdos trying to con you
pale sigil
Say your plan doesn't change, that's still $1680 over 36 months which is mind boggling, this isn't including the $50 extra I assume you pay
Ever year
To upgrade
halcyon willow
this woman is lost
astral haven
Say your plan doesn't change, that's still $1680 over 36 months which is mind bo...
also note tho thats for worse credit
the higher credit, the less you pay
again my work pays $80 total over 2 years to buy an iphone se vs the cost of a sim with the same plan
young pecan
But yeah the plan:
- I get a new phone one time per year
- My contract is 36 months
- I pay $500 a year on my phone which is always the top end iPhone
- Every single year my contract is renewed to 36 months
- I never reach past a year on my contract
- Because my contract is always resetting my yearly phone cost is $500 AUD, $1,500 over 36 months.
It's cheaper for me to endlessly upgrade my phone and the side effect is I always have the most modern and powerful phone money can buy.
Plus this shit all stacks.
astral haven
It's cheaper for me to endlessly upgrade my phone and the side effect is I alway...
than to buy a new one each year, not than to buy a new one only when you need it
pale sigil
Maybe it's just not something I grasp
But I don't know why people change phones so often
In general
young pecan
Yes that's what I do. My MSP has a policy where I hand in my phone and they reset my contract to 36 months and give me the new one.
rough osprey
wait they ain't selling the new airpods usbc case on its own
lofty pivot
just techys, same reason people buy whatever they enjoy more often than needed
young pecan
Functionally I get to have a cheaper one year contract and I always want a nicer phone, that's actually what this turns into.
lofty pivot
wait they ain't selling the new airpods usbc case on its own
wait you're right. I want my usb c airpod pro case
astral haven
Functionally I get to have a cheaper one year contract and I always want a nicer...
i have kept my phone for 2 years, unlikely to replace it before halfway through the 4th year, and i have still ended up with something that suits my needs better or matching anything brand new
young pecan
I actually also buy that too since it stacks with my MSP insurance.
pale sigil
My dig was more the fact after all the shite Bungie do including the last expansion I bet you are one to still throw money 😅
young pecan
Possibly, we'll see.
Personally I'm enjoying this current season.
Excellent story.
Fun mode.
lofty pivot
was there even a segment on the airpod pro upgrade that I missed or did they just barely mention it then move on?
crisp granite
That just means you have no woman in your life
pale sigil
Europeans with better consumer rights 
astral haven
was there even a segment on the airpod pro upgrade that I missed or did they jus...
is there anything besides a new usb c case?
young pecan
That just means you have no woman in your life
I'm actually married, so I'm doing better than most of you incels here are. 
crisp granite
That just means you have no woman in your life
And considering pleasant doesn’t…that’s awful
lofty pivot
is there anything besides a new usb c case?
nope just that
astral haven
why would they say more then?
crisp granite
I'm actually married, so I'm doing better than most of you incels here are. <:KE...
Hear me out
Marriage is great if you find someone you can tolerate
young pecan
Objectively correct already.
crisp granite
The only one I found who I can tolerate is already married
young pecan
Yep.
lofty pivot
i didn't even see the slide about it though, i guess they mentioned it in passing with the other upgrades
astral haven
is it even a different model? i would expect them to sell the case separately as well
young pecan
There you go. Cursed.
lofty pivot
is it even a different model? i would expect them to sell the case separately as...
iirc they did this before too where they wouldn't sell the better case for awhile
astral haven
you sure?
young pecan
No I'm excited for titanium phone. Metal feel is good.
sharp badger
lofty pivot
yeah with the wireless charging case i remember i couldn't buy it at first
smoky frigate
ALL NEW DESIGN LOL NO
not really reinventing the wheel here, huh
astral haven
yeah with the wireless charging case i remember i couldn't buy it at first
first time around with the wireless charging case I was working retail and we got the case and the airpods that came with the case at the same time?
pale sigil
https://www.gsmarena.com/the_pixel_8s_tensor_g3_will_run_cooler_than_the_g2-news...
Kek cooler can still be awful considering how hot the g2 is
lofty pivot
first time around with the wireless charging case I was working retail and we go...
yeah i mean you couldn't buy the case by it's own
wheat plume
not really reinventing the wheel here, huh
LOL
lofty pivot
so there's no way to upgrade just the case
astral haven
yeah i mean you couldn't buy the case by it's own
yes
the $80 fkn case was in the same shipment as the airpods that used that case
it may be that my store waited to stock the new airpods until the case was available?
lofty pivot
not sure, i know there was a delay before i could get the case though
i'm trying to find the case by itself on the site right now though and i don't see it
astral haven
but i dont remember it being more than a month from release to both being on my shelves
astral haven
i'm trying to find the case by itself on the site right now though and i don't s...
cant buy the iphones either, only preorder, give it a few months
lofty pivot
oh well no rush, i can't ditch lightning until my ipad mini is upgraded to next gen anyway
lofty pivot
seems the usb c case with the airpods pro is already for sale at least
astral haven
but yea for personal? downgrade usb port, downgrade zoom camera, downgrade selfie cam, downgrade software support
yea no thanks lol
tho who knows, maybe apple actually has video support on usb c they just chose not to mention it
🤣
wheat plume
Got to love Apple stealing camera features from Google Pixel
astral haven
?
wheat plume
- letting you use macro and telephoto on the same lens
- Changing the focus in a photo after taking it
pale sigil
Gotta love Google using shit CPUs
wheat plume
Yeah .-.
pale sigil
But here we are
wheat plume
they are shit
lofty pivot
i assume any decent phone features just gets jacked from each other every launch anyway these days
wheat plume
2
pale sigil
Apple mostly re-invents tbf
wheat plume
1
lofty pivot
all the phone companies just copy paste from each other now if someone comes up with something handy
wheat plume
this is pixel camera
wheat plume
yeh
pale sigil
How
astral haven
1) letting you use macro and telephoto on the same lens
2) Changing the focus in...
1 its not the same lens
2 google bought to add to their phones
fair oasis
Why are 60% cases so expensive even on aliexpress 💀
wheat plume
oh, yeah...changing the focus is after
pale sigil
Oh focus
steep creek
just fantastic, guy probably doesnt even use email
wheat plume
yup
pale sigil
So idk what you mean by stealing from Google
astral haven
also im pretty unhappy with the broadening of the term telephoto
pale sigil
....
lofty pivot
that natural titanium sand color is pretty nice
wheat plume
and america doesnt have Xiaomi, so they dont know this is a thign already
pale sigil
Fuck it, I'm gonna sell my shitxel 6a
astral haven
So idk what you mean by stealing from Google
google was definetly the first company to have access to the refocusing tech back in 2016 when they bought the company that invented the tech
pale sigil
And buy a Samsung Flip
wheat plume
flip, hhmm
steep creek
lol i cant get this video out of my head now
sharp badger
Battery on the flip is so-so though
young pecan
Apple mostly re-invents tbf
No shit and you'd best be happy about that.
astral haven
No shit and you'd best be happy about that.
yea well that didnt used to be the case?
pale sigil
The only good thing from Apple is faceID sensor and iPads
astral haven
The only good thing from Apple is faceID sensor and iPads
google doesnt use a faceid sensor, and they used to make tablets ages ago
steep creek
lmao i just sent it to my friends now, golden video
young pecan
A healthy tech industry needs 2 things.
- A platform to test new shit
- A platform to actually roll them out
If you already have a studied technology that is confirmed working then Apple has always taken it and integrated it, that's how they do.
What you don't see is Apple randomly putting new experimental tech like foldable phones into their flagship because it's popular.
pale sigil
What are
astral haven
face id and tablets
wheat plume
oooo new Airpods Pro!!!
astral haven
surface and surface
pale sigil
How
young pecan
Apple has this thing where they love their stuff to be very, very studied before touching it in an iPhone that releases. That's the reality of why it looks like they're copying, it's because they are but they don't do it until it works flawlessly and stably.
pale sigil
Wtf
iPads were around way before what are you chatting
FaceID is patented right?
Or well the tech
astral haven
iPads were around way before what are you chatting
ipads do not predate surface afaik
now sure surface was garbage but it was still early
oh no my bad
it wasnt called surface
pale sigil
iPad was 2010
pale sigil
I mean
Tablet as a concept sure....
But even now nothing is near as refined and great as an iPad
Even the galaxy tabs
astral haven
well the galaxy tabs have pretty solid advantages over the ipads
and the ipad definetly wasnt an invention
pale sigil
I mean tbf
astral haven
2010 was also 7 years after 2003
and if you mean multitouch, windows had that in 2007
astral haven
the tech was just refined by apple
microsofts version degrades the quality of the main camera of your computer
pale sigil
The 3d sensor
astral haven
by letting it see IR
astral haven
Why don't we see it anywhere else then
we do?
because they made it legally distinct from microsofts version?
astral haven
Windows hello is a basic capture
its as basic a capture as faceid
pale sigil
Meh idk, either way I get you.
For unlocking computers and apple patent is for phones or something
astral haven
nah
pale sigil
Either way, it's good, I didn't say they invented it
Though I can see why it might look implied
astral haven
you were responding to a comment that apple only refines tech
and thats what they do
the last time they had anything new was with multitouch on a portable device
2007
pretty sure the iphone predates its inclusion in windows
since then it has been refinement
useful refinement sure, but refinement nonetheless
thick elk
Arguably bringing multi touch to a portable device is a refinement.
Same could be said for their implementation of the finger print scanner.
vagrant pagoda
the last time they had anything new was with multitouch on a portable device
apple bought that tech
lol
astral haven
yea well google bought the depth tech
thick elk
Either way most improvements are refinements or other uses for an existing thing.
astral haven
and we still credit them
vagrant pagoda
company made multi touch for techboards that did jesters
and steve only learned of it because they make macbook replacment keyboards
astral haven
Either way most improvements are refinements or other uses for an existing thing...
i call it novel if its combining 2 different products that werent previously combined
astral haven
refinement is only if it was previously combined but garbage
thick elk
You could probably call a lot mroe apple things novel, but recently not as much.
astral haven
again not really
i also dont count integration as novel unless you previously couldnt use them together btw
wheat plume
Im so excited for Gnome 45 <3
https://youtu.be/FsZyhqA9XaA
astral haven
was it a digital screen underneath?
astral haven
sure but what was below
vagrant pagoda
its zero force
astral haven
was it fixed or digitally changeable
vagrant pagoda
fixed
astral haven
that sort of stuff has existed in industry for at least a century
vagrant pagoda
its literally the first multi touch product
astral haven
but thats not a display ion
vagrant pagoda
and the first to use multi touch guestures
its literally the tech iphone used
and the company
astral haven
ion
vagrant pagoda
considering its the first company to make multitouch
astral haven
take thing x, and thing y, and add them together in a way that hasnt happened before
vagrant pagoda
i would be hard for it to be on a screen before
apple bought them out and used the tech on the iphone
astral haven
so apple took the step to take multitouch
and put it on a display?
astral haven
so we agree
apple didnt invent any new basic technology
however this was the last time they did anything novel, as in combinging previously separate techs
vagrant pagoda
i mean
we had touchscreens
they were common
fingerworks big part was guestures
which is the only reason to have multi touch
astral haven
we had touchscreens
yep, and they existed for most of 100 years at that point
vagrant pagoda
like pinch to zoom seems second nature to us
but that guy came up with it
2 years latter steve jobs was on stage saying apple invented it
astral haven
yea im aware that apple never invented anything, thats why i didnt say invent, I said novel tech
vagrant pagoda
put it this way
in they 2 years between buying the company with the patents
and relasing the iphone
would no other company have made a mutlitouch display?
vagrant pagoda
appple bought all the patents
halcyon moss
New phones support thread. Wat
astral haven
2008 was pixel sense
thats the hardware product
Vista Pixelsense is the software
windows 7 in 07 launched with full multitouch
zenith silo
No fucking way
astral haven
what else did you expect lel
vagrant pagoda
thats the hardware product
Vista Pixelsense is the software
yeah but used with what hardware
wheat plume
LOL, can have two camera apps open at once
vagrant pagoda
LOL, can have two camera apps open at once
why not
vagrant pagoda
windows
halcyon willow
vagrant pagoda
uvc has no issues with mutiple apps
vagrant pagoda
https://twitter.com/toadsanime/status/1701590609931403500
youn think the 10th person to post this will get a cookie?
halcyon willow
youn think the 10th person to post this will get a cookie?
maybe
wheat plume
unused space in cheese, it only gets used once you take a photo
(the app on the right)
astral haven
yeah but used with what hardware
🤷 not a goddamn clue, but the first version was demonstrated less than half a year later, so they must not have shored the patents up well enough, and if they were showing it working in 2007 it must have been in existence before then
gonna credit apple with the novelty since microsoft never released it before then
astral haven
sure
btw modern versions of the IR tech are actually insane
hover, 1khz+ doesnt care about gloves in the slightest, and not fkn sold
capacitive is close, but only samsung so far has demonstrated penless hovering, and it was gone in a single generation
using hover to predictively load data sounds super amazing for responsiveness
god do i miss dailying the s5
fully charged the phone in 20 seconds from shutting down from being empty to 100%
microsd, phone jack, hovering to see links and photos, metal frame that prevented the phone from shattering on a corner
astral haven
did it also have the hovering?
astral haven
did you get that app that had the system cursor follow your hover?
astral haven
air view right
ye
vagrant pagoda
note 4 did it with pen or finger
astral haven
s5 didnt have a pen, finger only
fair gull
https://twitter.com/toadsanime/status/1701590609931403500
so unreal is just flatout better at this point
astral haven
sweet
did you get the app that made the system cursor (the one you get when you plug in a mouse) appear whenever it detected hovering?
it was pretty sweet since it basically added airview to every app
vagrant pagoda
yeah
i had that from og note for pen
loads of apps didnt support pen hover
so it made them do pen hover
main it was for remote desktop
astral haven
ye, didnt really try out pen until i got my current phone
vagrant pagoda
fam
astral haven
not convinced but wouldnt turn it down
astral haven
i did the battery swapping
had an external battery charger, one bat in there, one in the phone, swapped when it ran out
astral haven
cpu is dog slow
camera is ass
i frequently use my phone to see
stuff far away with zoom
stuff on the back of computers using the selfie cam
thats why i need autofocus selfie cam
Cryengine 😭
ashen spindle
makes you cry engine more like
astral haven
i want da pretty games that run okish
vagrant pagoda
cpu is dog slow
its 5% slower than a basic samsung phone these days
astral haven
as far as i know the best foliage in a game is still hunt showdown
ashen spindle
and I want to not have my engine editor crash when they show you in uni how to use it
astral haven
its 5% slower than a basic samsung phone these days
and those are still dog slow
astral haven
and I want to not have my engine editor crash when they show you in uni how to u...
look fam, idgaf about how much pain i put the devs through, i want the game to be pretty
ashen spindle
cry engine was the only engine we managed to constantly get to crash that much
astral haven
thats actually not true
vagrant pagoda
crunchy roll blanks my second gpu screens for a second
they dont drop out of surround
just go black
astral haven
with things like nanite and lumen taken to their conclusions, games will eventually be able to be optimized down to the polygon
well nothing to be done about that
as i said "taken to their conclusions"
as in actually fully functional
also thats not a lumen/nanite issue, thats FSR
sure but if lumen and nanite are working as well as the tech could work, we wouldnt need FSR
what game?
Currently
interesting
is it worth playing for someone who likes a linear story experience?
Bet
coarse cloak
LOL
astral haven
At least it's not fsr
smoky frigate
because I would be masturbating so much?
astral haven
Yea I can probably run avenum at 70 fps dlss to 4k
pale sigil
i finally did it
after having the same download folder since 2012
i finally cleaned it
wheat plume
O.o
vagrant pagoda
most save games are in your user folder
pale sigil
Oh, ye no this is just downloads folder
pale sigil
thats fair
vagrant pagoda
my appdata is like 100g
pale sigil
mine is down to 70gb
vagrant pagoda
did i say 100g
i ment 500g
i should clean that
crazy is that is an average of 1mb a file lol
pale sigil
how is that possible
pale sigil
mo2?
vagrant pagoda
rip
vagrant pagoda
oh
this is only my local dls
all my media and shit is on server
its TBs
lol
vagrant pagoda
i dont stream anything from cloud
so its all local server
dont use clouds storage either
i use next cloud
pale sigil
Plex bby
pale sigil
jellyfin is good but feels bleh to use on phones/tabs
which is a majority iof my media consumption
vagrant pagoda
its a lot better now
pale sigil
wasn't two months ago
vagrant pagoda
foss is king
pale sigil
vagrant pagoda
i dont have issues with it
pale sigil
Tbh I also have years of data on Plex
vagrant pagoda
Like watched data?
pale sigil
ye
ashen spindle
ahahhahah with the battery of the 15 pro max
gusty kiln
?
ashen spindle
it has more capacity but same batterry life so A17 might be efficency regression
gusty kiln
A17 clocked higher?
ashen spindle
like 7% higher clocks
and up to 10% higher performannce
so <3% ipc increase
gpu has like 20% improvement but also like 20% more size
not looking good for M3 lol
gusty kiln
Apple sure have slowed down the progress of their SoC in the past few years
vagrant pagoda
ahahhahah with the battery of the 15 pro max
more screen?
gusty kiln
same screen
ashen spindle
4300 mAh -> 4800 mAh battery, same duration for everything lol
and yeah, turns out making one new chip gives you a boost if you trim all the fat but arm still isnt the magic monster that will beat x86 becuase turns out they are kinda the same shit in the end
pale sigil
Would be nice but mini led is nice too
astral haven
not as nice as oled
astral haven
finally 8k video in medium format!
astral haven
heeeeck yeeee
hmm
asking for details from cuttress bc 4.0x4 is 64gbps and tb4 is only capable of 32gbps
vagrant pagoda
hmm
asking for details from cuttress bc 4.0x4 is 64gbps and tb4 is only capable ...
i mean 3 and 4 are only pcie 3
tb5 adds 2x4 pcie4.0
not 1x4 pcie 3
astral haven
yea read the article, it says "Thunderbolt 4 was able to act as a PCIe 4.0 x4 "
i suspect he typed 4 when he meant 3
for both tb4 and tb5
astral haven
holy shit ion
vagrant pagoda
so yeah
vagrant pagoda
yes i know
im stating that its wrong
same as you
the spec has been out for a while
how is it news now?
astral haven
vagrant pagoda
astral haven
also was the spec out? i thought it was just leaks and parts
vagrant pagoda
its 2x40gbit lanes
the new fance for tb5 is going to non duplex
so 120 out 40 in
astral haven
"Built on the USB4 v2, DisplayPort 2.1, & PCI Express Gen 4
specifications, Thunderbolt™5 provides a standards-based
solution compatible with previous versions"
vagrant pagoda
and the non duplex op is a usb 4 spec i think
astral haven
pcie 4 is here for some reason
vagrant pagoda
yeah thats tb5 which is pcie 4
tb4 is just usb4 v2
but with tb you have to have all freatures
so its nicer to shop for than usb4
so much shit is optional with usb4
but usb 4 v2 spec was out end of last year
astral haven
yep
well i still want an amd tablet
tho who knows, surface pro 11 or whatever its gonna be may release before anyone competent makes an amd tablet
astral haven
flow
maybe they are waiting for the halo chip?
that would be hella hype
120w tdp amd tablet
vagrant pagoda
flow?
vagrant pagoda
for what?
vagrant pagoda
vivobook is the cheaper 2in1 and zenbook is the fancy
astral haven
icic yea im ok with rog but i want full on tablet
astral haven
but also muuuch slower
vagrant pagoda
the flow with kb is thicker
astral haven
oh def
vagrant pagoda
why dgpu on tablet though
astral haven
but like an entire cpu gen in the hole and no dgpu
vagrant pagoda
id rather have zen4 + usb4
astral haven
upscaling
vagrant pagoda
and get a usb4 gpu
astral haven
id rather have zen4 + usb4
me too
but thats not an option yet
vagrant pagoda
and 2in1 is imo better
the zens kb is super thin
and you can prop it at any angle
its thiner than tablet with the folio kb
astral haven
i have 2 in 1 at home and a surface at work
the surface is just better
vagrant pagoda
yeah but i bet the surface is much thinner
astral haven
its not really?
its more the convenience of the keyboard
tho also my 2 in 1 is fkn 16:9 which is so stupid for a touchscreen
probably would be alot better if the aspect ratio was taller
astral haven
🤷 im more concerned about balance and bed use
vagrant pagoda
zen is 16:10 4k
on bed 2in1 is king
flip kb backwords
instead of kickstand
you can prop it at any angle
and still have screen close
thats my main use of the 2in1
i stick it like that in bed/couch
and put controler behind it
astral haven
oh right the distance
i need to use the keyboard
and it also sometimes enables the keyboard tho that is an hp issue, probably fine on a normal 2 in 1
vagrant pagoda
nah never on the asus
kb is disabled past 180*
its enabled like 5 to 180
from 181 to 360 its off
i like the 5ish degree deadzone
i stick papers in there
astral haven
yea that used to be the case on mine but now it sometimes activates between 270 and 180
astral haven
dunno but i probably wouldnt bother
i have a new monitor arm that swings out super far
next problem tho is that noone is selling a 7040 2 in 1 either
vagrant pagoda
i need a xxl tv mount
my bed faces bathroom door and closet
so nowhere for bed tv
but its on 2 walls
so i can come off the side wall
also the flow is like whjat
30-40 min battery life?
astral haven
when using the gpu sure
vagrant pagoda
and a gpu
the 13900h is a 35min 45w base and 115 turbo cpu
dosent sound good for a 54whr
zenbook is 45W to 75w with 63wh
and ips vs oled
vagrant pagoda
why game on 2in1
astral haven
i dont need untethered perf for this device
astral haven
why game on 2in1
think just better steam deck
astral haven
sure but i want to notice how much better it is
vagrant pagoda
and double the speed
astral haven
ally does not perfom better at the same resolution
at least not substantially better in the percentiles
average def better
vagrant pagoda
they did a mobile chip review?
astral haven
they did a mobile chip review?
ally review
astral haven
and then the battery life goes out the window
vagrant pagoda
battery is that much bigger
astral haven
look fam i know what i want
vagrant pagoda
ally is 40, zen is 63
astral haven
i really really would like an nvidia gpu
vagrant pagoda
i really really would like an nvidia gpu
then power is out the window 2x
astral haven
then power is out the window 2x
oh sure but you were the one who brought that up
next problem tho is upscaling
vagrant pagoda
no
you said battery life goes out the window
ally and zen book likely get the same batterylift
of the zen beats it if it isnt running full tilt
astral haven
thats also not true given that i get an hour lunch break lel
vagrant pagoda
granted thats buecase its a 60hz oled
astral haven
ye 60hz is out the window
vagrant pagoda
i wish these would have removeable batteries
astral haven
surface pro 9s and surface laptop studios at work that i got to set up
🤤
astral haven
usb c lel
vagrant pagoda
somone couild of mad a extended rear case with 2x the battery
astral haven
someone already did im pretty sure
vagrant pagoda
youd have to cut the case
or use usb
do you not remeber the golden age of removeable battery phones
astral haven
or use usb
whats wrong with usb?
vagrant pagoda
you could get 2x or x3 batteries with extended cases
cant leave it on and throw in bag
youll ruin the usbc port
astral haven
youll ruin the usbc port
i magnetize all my usb ports fam, no problemo
vagrant pagoda
thats what i had on my note 4
was birck
3 days of sot
id do the same to an ally or deck
its just a 2s 5400mah 40wh
prob what 200 grams?
maybe less
deck is 660g
make it a 500g pack at 100wh
decks 460+500
under a kg
astral haven
oooh new z13 is 165hz
astral haven
strix halo z13 would be insane
astral haven
yea it would fit fine it would just be heavy
vagrant pagoda
the deck would be better as the ally has dual fans
but i bet the ally could still fit double the pack between your fingertips and the grills
deck would be easy
the center could be as thick as the grips
stack 2 more pairs of cells over the center
astral haven
oooooh the flow has thunderbolt
vagrant pagoda
yeah
astral haven
they probably could sell a version without a dgpu
vagrant pagoda
i wouldnt call the deck or ally high end
vagrant pagoda
if only ROG XG's were craxy money
astral haven
yea screw that
vagrant pagoda
with built in 240w gan
astral haven
im very interested in how next gen will go
what will deckard be?
strix point? 7040? strix halo?
astral haven
yea but a 4070 can get around that at 4k
astral haven
same wattage
astral haven
ok so 4090 mobile then
vagrant pagoda
no one makes a 4090m egpu
astral haven
except for the ally
vagrant pagoda
yeah because asus dosent make a usb4 egpu
astral haven
but if you get ally and dawk you get 4090
btw also there are actually some serious performance issues with tb3/4 when you run into that kind of high end gaming
vagrant pagoda
yeah hence the 7600
astral haven
yea but thats still faster than a 1070 right?
vagrant pagoda
a handheld with usb4 is useable
astral haven
my 1070 was definetly starting to choke
vagrant pagoda
the rog xg isnt
astral haven
what
vagrant pagoda
you seen a rog xg cabkle
astral haven
when you do that with thunderbolt you throw away another incredible amount of performance and it makes the studder incredibly worse
its actually awful
astral haven
4.0
it already loses performance if you run it on a 3.0 platform
then drop it to 1/4 bandwidth and it gets even worse
but
thunderbolt is less than 1/4 the bandwidth
current highest benchmark for pcie bandwidth to a gpu on thunderbolt is around 2.8GB/s
pcie 3.0x4 can do 3.2GB/s easily
vagrant pagoda
yeah and just like with 2 gpus in a pc and rendering on one and displaying on the other
the data goes over pcie
but its incoming data
not outgoing
astral haven
yes?
vagrant pagoda
what other data is fighting for incoming data on a gpuj
vagrant pagoda
so the internal display isnt worst over tb than raw pcie
just like having 2 gpus in a pc
it isnt much
astral haven
so the internal display isnt worst over tb than raw pcie
it is worse since the gpu is expecting pcie and the transfers run slower than that
sure if the bandwidth was infinite then it probably wouldnt make a difference
but it does make a difference
astral haven
yea now show lows lel
vagrant pagoda
you back up your side
astral haven
vagrant pagoda
thats internal vs external gpu
astral haven
yea?
your data shows a performance drop in average fps
and my experience is extensive with these systems and ends up being painful
astral haven
read
dgpu 144 average min 33
egpu 113 average min 27
egpu internal 101 average min 9
astral haven
1.1
astral haven
what
astral haven
theres no benchmark for 980ti with internal
vagrant pagoda
astral haven
yea again
it doesnt help with averages but its not thaaaaaaaat bad
it kills you on lows
also keep in mind the slower the gpu the less it matters
the 1060 is not fast
vagrant pagoda
with the 1060 its 25vs23vs24
for lows
average was the same
with internal and external;
astral haven
now compare with tb1
vagrant pagoda
who is talking about tb1
astral haven
see how the external doesnt move?
vagrant pagoda
im talking about a fucking usb4 7600m
astral haven
the 7600m is faster than the 1080ti isnt it?
if not at least the 1080
look at the scaling fam
vagrant pagoda
bandwith dosent scale
astral haven
bandwith dosent scale
and the performance losses of the gpus do
the faster the gpu, the more performance lost
or in other words, the slower the bandwidth, the more performance lost
that is what the 1060 test is meant to show
vagrant pagoda
little as in 1fps
astral haven
tb3 is slower than 3.0x4 quite substantially
vagrant pagoda
withing testing variance
yess
but a 7600xt with half the bandwidth of a 1080ti still runs at full speed in games
meaning its less bandwidth limited than a 1080ti
astral haven
the 6600xt already takes a dive
vagrant pagoda
so 7%
astral haven
between 7 and 17%
vagrant pagoda
yeah a 1080ti dose more than that from 3.0 to 2.0
astral haven
2.0x8 is 4GB/s
tb3 is 2.8GB/s max
astral haven
yeah a 1080ti dose more than that from 3.0 to 2.0
BUT
even tho that is the case, you lose even more performance going back to the internal display
there is no possible way for that to increase performance, and the faster your gpu the more it hurts your 1% lows
look at the 1080ti in this test
external display
internal display
113 av turns to 101
but 27 min turns into 9
on a 1080,
98 and 29 min
vagrant pagoda
3 vs 4 though
astral haven
turns into 80 and 12
vagrant pagoda
so there is 5~10% more bandwdith in 4
astral haven
so there is 5~10% more bandwdith in 4
wrong
ice lake and tiger lake cpus with integrated thunderbolt support up to 10% more bandwidth
and presumeably 12th and 13th gen
but amd does not receive this benefit as their controllers are connected via real pcie
vagrant pagoda
i thought tb4 vs usb4 was the extra
astral haven
nope
and tb4 vs tb4 is a different story if its integrated into the cpu vs external
vagrant pagoda
i thought the better encoding was part of tb4 spec?
astral haven
its not encoding
its just the attachment to the system
who knows maybe they improved with 7040s integrated usb4
actually yea the 7040 integrated usb4 looks good
DAAAANG lets fkn goooooo
now sure this isnt comparable to aida64 so grain of salt but thats also higher than any other cudaz numbers ive seen before on tb
vagrant pagoda
you can get 3500MB/s over usb4 so i think its actually full speed unlike tb3/4
astral haven
and heres what the fastest ever commercial egpu runs at, benchmarks courtesy of me
vagrant pagoda
dosent tb have the side channel?
astral haven
you can get 3500MB/s over usb4 so i think its actually full speed unlike tb3/4
pcie tunnelling not usb bandwidth
vagrant pagoda
thats nvme over pcie
astral haven
yes and no
if you put an nvme in an enclosure you will not get 3500MB/s
or at least if you can, im gonna need some sources
and even if you can, thats still not how fast we can shove data into a gpu
astral haven
and the problem is that the shoving data into the gpu part is slower
vagrant pagoda
but thats pcie 4
vagrant pagoda
its also pcie 4
vagrant pagoda
the gdp g1 can do pcie over oclink and video back over usb4
young pecan
Oculink is a weird connector, ngl.
astral haven
the gdp g1 can do pcie over oclink and video back over usb4
[citation needed]
vagrant pagoda
but only do gdp devices
astral haven
aaaaaah
right they have the video in via usb c hardware
yea that wouldnt have any perf penalty obviously
and id be shocked if oculink 3.0x4 had a penalty for internal vs external
vagrant pagoda
Yeah but there's no reason not to because OC link doesn't do power
vagrant pagoda
What sucks there's no way to change the input device manually
It automatically is part of their ceiling tool
Oclink tool
astral haven
what
vagrant pagoda
so you can't use gdp handhelds as external screens
astral haven
whaaaaat?
astral haven
there was an old version that specifically acted as a kvm 😦
vagrant pagoda
I think it's because there's no buttons on the device to change the input they don't want people to get it stuck external
astral haven
using an hdmi and usb port i think?
vagrant pagoda
I have a old ass Dell All-in-One that is the same way
You have to boot Windows to change to the HDMI input
Put the HDMI input is an actual display input that doesn't go through windows
It did do picture in picture though
I used it a bunch to set up computers
I could watch YouTube or use the computer for something as I watched the machine image
astral haven
sweet
vagrant pagoda
but i think it was windows 8 or 10 that bricks the bios
astral haven
yea we have out of band management on all of our pcs besides our surfaces lel
astral haven
vpro for the wiiiiiin
vagrant pagoda
they are literally pentium class machiens on card
with networking, vga out and pci vga card capture
and a pci ide controller that they somehow mount images to
astral haven
eh gimme vpro
vagrant pagoda
they are cool for retro
i want to get doom on one
you could stick 7 in a mchine and run 7 dooms
I think they're all in my old dual P3 xeon machine
It's a compaq
It has a gui bios
With mouse input
digital cliff
what
digital cliff
the range is .1-4.0 if that's what you're asking
autumn igloo
the range is .1-4.0 if that's what you're asking
like the switches already placed by wooting normally
autumn igloo
the range is .1-4.0 if that's what you're asking
0.1*?
digital cliff
that's what I said 😔
lofty pivot
Do these switches support 0.1ms/mm?
The switches are the same as the stock wooting ones, just easier to press
autumn igloo
The switches are the same as the stock wooting ones, just easier to press
Okey ty 🤍
crisp granite
that's what I said 😔
you said something?
noble maple
.
raw zephyr
what is the best gaming monitor right now? pg27aqn?
severe phoenix
Alienware QD OLED
raw zephyr
ultrawide?
severe phoenix
Ye
astral haven
also 1440p and pixel pattern issues
old marlin
for gaming the subpixel layout doesn't matter
astral haven
XB273Uf and PG27AQN are the ulmb2 monitors, 360hz 1440p with > crt clarity
astral haven
for gaming the subpixel layout doesn't matter
thats your opinion that I do not share
noble maple
Bro bro best best x25 predator
old marlin
thats your opinion that I do not share
that is my opinion after using mine for like 10 months now
astral haven
and ive been on a 4k oled laptop for 2 years next month
just because you dont care about the issues or see them doesnt mean they arent there
astral haven
i notice the fringing on anything white
now to be fair it can also happen on lcds but i dont notice it as often
fickle ore
spending over 300€$ isnt worth it for non-oled atm
even for high hz
so the argument that there would be a single best gaming monitor is probably confused
wheat plume
Oh
Fuck sake Apple
Only 15 Pro and Pro Max gets USB 3 speeds
The 15 and 15 Plus only get USB 2 speeds
frozen ingot
yes, like everyone said yesterday
cursive summit
yes, like everyone said yesterday
It's Lana, what else do you expect
young pecan
Oh
Fuck sake Apple
Only 15 Pro and Pro Max gets USB 3 speeds
The 15 and 15 Plus...
Yeah this one is pretty cringe but then again who gives even one fuck.
I don’t even remember the last time I transferred anything to or from an iPhone with a cable. Wifi is more than fast enough lmao.
shadow minnow
I mean for syncing photos it makes sense to use cable
young pecan
USB 3 is nice and should be there, but I feel people are making more trouble out of it then it deserves for the wrong reasoning. Like don’t sit here and pretend you need the bandwidth when everyone does wifi sync anyway, the real takeaway is the difference in price between the controllers is like nothing.
shadow minnow
If you are importing from iPhone to a MacBook
Airdropping isn’t really possible with 10k photos at a time
reef patrol
USB 3 is nice and should be there, but I feel people are making more trouble out...
For the reason that sometimes cable sync would be more optimal.
young pecan
Yeah that’s what wifi sync is supposed to do. Takes your shit and syncs it over time. There has not been a time where I’ve had to sync more than 3 photos at any given stage with my library if 27k memes.
reef patrol
I'm utterly amazed at the level of apologism around the decision to use USB TWO in an expensive, luxury product in 2023.
From Apple of all people.
In general just not in here.
young pecan
Yeah no it’s unacceptably stupid, but not for the reasoning of bandwidth. It’s just cheap so why not?
shadow minnow
Yeah that’s what wifi sync is supposed to do. Takes your shit and syncs it over ...
Well it only works with iCloud Photos which I don’t use as I don’t intend to pay for 2TB or more
So instead I have to do it by cable
young pecan
I don’t have iCloud as a subscription and sync works fine if you install iTunes.
Skill issue I guess?
shadow minnow
I usually only sink at one time to then move all to a hard drive
Constant sinking woudlnt work well due to limited storage
young pecan
…? Are you getting confused on how the sync takes place?