🔌│tech

[astral haven]

hopefully there are larger than 16 core configs
the 40c rumor was hype

[cursive summit]

Great deal, sell it and you get your money back

[tall yew]

yeah

I wish I didn't get my pc mid pandemic

It lost so much value

I paid $1400 for a strix 3080

[gusty kiln]

still waiting for 4080 msrp to even touch 1000 even

[rough osprey]

we need corona v2

[tall yew]

I'm looking to sell everything except the 3080 and do an itx build but I would have to put $600 extra

itx shit is expensive asf

[cursive summit]

⛔ 🚫

No, no thanks

[rough osprey]

i wanna make bank

[tall yew]

fr

[cursive summit]

You peeps need hesus

[rough osprey]

ho

[frozen ingot]

I had to go out and buy a fucking 2060 for $600 in first half of summer 2021

in the absolute height of the gpu famine

[coarse cloak]

same

[frozen ingot]

because my old gfx card was dying

[vagrant pagoda]

i got other way lucky

i wasnt gamming muich and still had my 290x cf

and my 990fx died

so i bought a entire pc with a 1080ti and z97 4790k

for like nothing

right before mining

[frozen ingot]

2060 and 1660 super were the only half decent gaming cards I could actually find in stock for months

[vagrant pagoda]

homie had this 4790k and 1080ti xteme

in some shit oem cas with 92mm fans

[frozen ingot]

I also got a 4790K rig for dirt cheaps

probably gonna run it into the ground

[astral haven]

and i paid quite a bit for my 5775c

damn fast cpu tho

x3d equivalent cpu before it was cool

[vagrant pagoda]

eh

[frozen ingot]

got a Z97 mobo, 4790K, 32gb 2400mhz ddr3 corsair dominators and a fulltower case for around $130

[vagrant pagoda]

the 5775c was like barely 5% faster

[astral haven]

at the time yea
now its up to 20% in some games

[frozen ingot]

also a bonus GTX780 that turned out was on its last legs

and chose the worst possible moment in the timeline to fuck itself off

[vagrant pagoda]

the edram was only good for igpu really

[astral haven]

again was now its a heck ton better

[vagrant pagoda]

yeah but 4790 or a 5775 is terrible now

[astral haven]

5775 stock beats zen 3

least in game

and the 5775c edram OC is pretty severe

[frozen ingot]

I'm honestly kinda blown away that a cpu as old as 4790K still has a fighting chance at all in most modern games

[vagrant pagoda]

not even close

[astral haven]

http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph16195/118885.png

https://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph16195/118890.png

[vagrant pagoda]

that isnt zen 3

[frozen ingot]

its still pretty brisk in everyday use as well

[astral haven]

http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph16195/118917.png
sure sometimes it loses

[astral haven]

oh fuck sorry ryzen 3000

why the fuck did AMD do that

[rough osprey]

troll

[frozen ingot]

once you start digging out rendering/decoding applications or stuff depending heavily on multiple threads it really starts to fall apart though

[astral haven]

oh obviously

but for a gamer?

[frozen ingot]

still a great gaming cpu

for the vast majority of people anyways

[vagrant pagoda]

eh

they struggle hard on new games

[astral haven]

and if you OC, in game its actually insane

1600mhz EDRAM to 2GHz is huuuuge

[vagrant pagoda]

a 5600x prob has 50+% gains over it

for almoist the same money

[astral haven]

5600x doesnt often have 50% gains over 3600, why would it over the faster 5775c????

[vagrant pagoda]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTP4RC4EjDo

[warped wave]

Hello, I have a question Can I keep it even if I turn off the wooting setting?

[vagrant pagoda]

the 5600x dominates

[frozen ingot]

mainly where a lot of threads is demanded really, more traditional titles depending on raw clock cycles first and foremost it can still bruteforce its way to decent performance if pushed a bit

[astral haven]

yea the edram is desynced
his performance is slower than with 1600mhz ddr3 for sure

[vagrant pagoda]

3600x is faster than a 5775c in newer titles

[astral haven]

[citation needed]
and not one that is crippling the 5775c with incompatible ram

[frozen ingot]

cpu core clock speeds seems to have sorta peaked around the mid 2010s

[vagrant pagoda]

heys running ddr3-2400

[frozen ingot]

not much since that's pushed things further than 4.5-5ghz

[astral haven]

exactly

edram runs at 1200, 1400, 1600,1800 and on some boards it can do 2000
to do over that you need bclk

that means he was running desynced

in MLC, i was getting 44NS dram latency at 2GHZ dram + edram
at 2.4G i was getting 82NS

edram actual latency is 22ns

[frozen ingot]

yeah am not really that seasoned with the parts running in this, I did assume there had to be compromising with memory timing to reach that manufacturer rated clock

[vagrant pagoda]

that would mean it would do even worst

[astral haven]

thats very much not the problem

[vagrant pagoda]

my exp with going from 4790 to 5600 was ram speed made the biggest difference

[frozen ingot]

to me the biggest problem is ram not being ddr4

[astral haven]

the 5775c has a gigantic cache chip
if you run the memory too fast, the cache chip either disables itself or runs at 1600
it is just like desyncing ram on ryzen
you literally get worse performance than if you sync it

[astral haven]

the ram is insanely cheap and low latency

again 1600 ddr3 on that chip is faster than 3200 on a 3600
those are both max official support

[astral haven]

the 5775c can natively run 2ghz ddr3, which is 25% faster (and the chip is heavily bound by memory latency since the cores are quite significantly less scalar than the new cores

and again 2400 is slower since the edram cannot run at that speed

the 3600 can run 3600 which is 12.5% faster

my experience is that the 5775c ran faster in some games than my 5950x

at 1600mhz it was quite noticeably slower, and at 2400mhz it was also quite noticeably slower

3600 to 5600x is about 8% improvement btw according to a real source https://tpucdn.com/review/amd-ryzen-5-5600x/images/relative-performance-games-1920-1080.png

[frozen ingot]

been kinda out of the loop with clocking for at least a decade, I'm just running the xmp profile the previous user set up with the cpu fixed at its "turbo performance" clock

[astral haven]

yea your cpu isnt a crazy one off, standard practice applies

[frozen ingot]

I did disable hyperthreading and speedstepping, among a couple other things

[astral haven]

HT is definetly good for performance in most cases

and the faster your ram, the more betterer it is

[astral haven]

keep in mind tho this was rare, dont buy a 5775c based on this

but it still happened

[frozen ingot]

yeah guess with software these days its better more often than not

for the longest time devs were kinda lazy to take advantage of more than the 2-4 threads being the norm for close to a decade

[astral haven]

can blame that on bulldozer lel

8 core 4 thread cpu

[vagrant pagoda]

XD

truth

i ran my 1090t until i got the 4790k

[astral haven]

to be fair amd could have been right, (like intel was with the 5775c huge caches) and that fp workloads would have been useful
but turns out that was useless on the cpu, so sacrificing int for more fp was an atrocious move

[ashen spindle]

and yet intel is trying their best bulldozer copy with ARL

[cursive summit]

Does anyone know what's the market split for Intel vs AMD in CPUs?

It's around 20% - 80% AMD - Nvidia in GPUs

Intel not included

I wonder if Intel has that "AMD is inferior" mentality going on, or is the clearly superior architecture of Zen 4 having more market share as it should

[ashen spindle]

nobody at intel doing architecture cares about market share lmfao

[frozen ingot]

credit where its due intel has done a surprising amount of progress on improving their arc drivers

[cursive summit]

That's not what I asked bud

What are the numbers for Intel - AMD CPU market share

Cause this is the best I can find but obviously, not conclusive

[frozen ingot]

numbers seem plausible enough

[astral haven]

yea this is just gamers

[late ingot]

Is it possible to make the detachable cable for the wooting two?

[cursive summit]

It already has a detachable cable?

[reef patrol]

The coiled cable is not compatible with the 2HE case. Doesn't fit.

[late ingot]

sorry i mean the new accessory one

[cursive summit]

How's it not going to fit?

It's just a cable

[late ingot]

so if i break the cable holder it would fit under the case?

[fair gull]

theoretically it could be made for the 2he as the main issue is the keyboard side connector not having a long enough cable

[fair gull]

no

[reef patrol]

Cable duct Vs girth of the cable and connector pieces.

[fair gull]

the connector is right in the spot

[late ingot]

I see, so surely in the future they could make a compatiable one?

[frozen ingot]

disregard telephone cable, acquire clean, simple straight line one

[cursive summit]

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/firm-estimates-a-2nm-chip-now-costs-dollar725-million-to-design

[late ingot]

i assume this ahs been tested xd?

[reef patrol]

Yes.

[reef patrol]

Not likely to happen. But anyone could make an adaptor.

[cursive summit]

Not to be, you know, a halfwit about it but

It sounds like a bad design

Surely you could have accounted for the 2HE being able to fit it right?

[late ingot]

really how come, seems really dumb XD

[late ingot]

yeah thats my opinion too lol

[reef patrol]

The 2HE cable duct is too narrow for what we wanted to offer.

The cable was predominantly with 60HE in mind. That's just how it is.

[cursive summit]

I need to look up how that cable duct looks cause this sounds weird

It can't fit there?

[reef patrol]

Diameter goes in more than one axis.

[cursive summit]

Tbf that looks more like a 3.5mm cable than an USB-C

[shadow minnow]

It indeed can’t

It certainly is unfortunate

[cursive summit]

I see where it might have clearance problems

Eh, unfortunate

Could also be a DIY solution to cram it in there

[digital cliff]

nothing a little bit of this can't fix

[reef patrol]

That would be the workaround yes. Not something we can ask customers to do though.

[frozen ingot]

simplest solution, use included cable

[misty saffron]

how do i fix it with a picture of some power tool

[late ingot]

but then i can't have my rgb with tachyon

[frozen ingot]

afaik no cable fully can, but especially not most coiled ones

[late ingot]

this one is supposed to XD

XD

👍

[frozen ingot]

I would assume its as close to the same length/spec as the stock one

[late ingot]

well clearly its not... 💀

[reef patrol]

We designed it to meet spec. So yes it can.

It's in the product info and everything

[late ingot]

so why can't i run stock cable with full rbg and tachyon without issues, unless thats not what youre refering to

[reef patrol]

You can.

[frail pilot]

how do i tell if i have a normal scan rate on my wooting 60he? this is without tach mode

[frozen ingot]

iirc some people had issues with erratic input on tachyon and stock cable as well, was a while back tho so might have been a quirk of the tachyon mode itself on earlier version?

[late ingot]

So why does rgb get lowered by default

if we can do it without issues

[reef patrol]

As a precaution.

You can override it.

[late ingot]

💀 alright then

[reef patrol]

The keyboard can't tell what cable is connected.

[frozen ingot]

also not everyone wants full stadium lighting strength rgb as default

[frail pilot]

yea idk if my wooting 60he is faulty when it comes to scan rate or if im reading it wrong

[late ingot]

tachyon mode isnt default

[late ingot]

so this is just marketing?

if the stock cable can do it?

[rough osprey]

good idea tho

60he bright edition when

[reef patrol]

What? No.

[late ingot]

spo you can vouch, i can run my two he with stock cable tachyon and 100% rgb with no issues?

[reef patrol]

This is a COILED cable. The ones who are known to have issues.

From random brands

[frozen ingot]

I mean the standard included cable was within the specs for it all along, issue was a ton of people started hooking it up to their aftermarket coiled cables which most of them are too long and cause issues maintaining signal strength

[reef patrol]

Yes.

[late ingot]

i see, makes senes

[late ingot]

thank you

for explaing to me

<3

[frail pilot]

yea maybe im reading this scan rate thing wrong

it says its 125hz max i thought hte wooting was 1000hz

[reef patrol]

It is.

Cables with ICs in them do exist.

[frozen ingot]

isn't that literally what they planned on doing for usb-c iphones

[frail pilot]

then i assume my wooting is faulty then?

[frozen ingot]

use genuine apple cable or transfer/charge speed gets cut in half

[reef patrol]

No you're using software incorrectly as I recall.

[frail pilot]

i have tach mode disabled as well

[reef patrol]

Pretty sure Rocky has complained about that app several times.

[frail pilot]

just wanna test it before i enable it

[shadow minnow]

You’d have to press 1000 times per second speed for it to acc tell you

[coarse cloak]

theres another software that gives slightly more accurate readings

[frail pilot]

i got 5 ms

[frozen ingot]

app just tells you how long x key was actuated for really

[digital cliff]

not really, you just need to be able to cause an activation and a deactivation within 1ms

[frozen ingot]

yeah that

[digital cliff]

which is doable if you flick a cap really quickly

evidence enough

[frozen ingot]

doesn't tell you much or anything about how responsive the keyboard itself is processing your inputs

[frail pilot]

i have rapid trigger with 0.5 ms

[shadow minnow]

Try 0.1mm

[frozen ingot]

how would you go about measuring the time gap between the key being actuated and the resulting input showing up on screen

[frail pilot]

yea maybe im using the software wrong

[shadow minnow]

Honestly I think most reliable way to test magnetic keyboards would be an external electro magnet that can be turned on and off very fast

[frail pilot]

I just dont know if my wooting is 1k with tach mode off or not

its 2k with it off right?

[rough osprey]

huh

[frail pilot]

1k polling rate

oh

so what does tach mode do?

oh I see

ok

yea im using hte software wrong thjen

rip

[frozen ingot]

yeah same, I just found it more prone to jittery inputs

[rough osprey]

poor devs :(

[frail pilot]

fastest i can get it is 5ms

lol

nvm just got it to 3

whats the fastest scan rate with tach mode off?

still 1ms?

[frozen ingot]

if you use a reasonably low actuation point and rapid trigger the keyboard is so much more responsive and precise than anything contact-based could dream of matching

without tachyon

[frail pilot]

i have highest sense rapid trigger (0.15) with 0.5 acucation

i think its a skill issue on my end

[frozen ingot]

it'll take some time getting used to both different actuation point and rapid trigger

[frail pilot]

ive had this keeb since june 29th

but yea it will take a bit more time i guess i still heavy press down on the keys

and make typos

[final flame]

I can do 17 presses per second

[frozen ingot]

I've been using wooting HE boards since may last year now and yeah I still can't help but bottom out the keys constantly either

hard to kill habit that one

[rough osprey]

i can do 3

[digital cliff]

I could be wrong but last I checked it was around 750hz or something along those lines and tach mode was 1.1khz

[true quest]

they added a second steering wheel

[old marlin]

https://tenor.com/view/drag-click-roccat-roccat-kain-bedlessnoob-boyten88-gif-22490800

the minecraft people got like 60+ clicks a second

you know the funny part

above like 15 clicks asecond it makes no difference

engine caps it very quick

and I think it buffers up to another 15

pvp patch

so you can attack as much as you want

without a CD

[true quest]

should have kept my old 502 that kept double clicking to sell as a competitive minecraft mouse lol

[old marlin]

nah

not good enough for them

they need mice with specific debounce algorithms

and coatings

aka specific redragon and roccat mice

[crisp granite]

yooo that actually looks real nice

a shame that it's an EV

[cursive summit]

Best type of car

Mini Coopers always looked cute, this thing though, hella adorable

What's ICE?

I don't think you want your car to be frozen

I don't think you want your car to have an inside explosion either

Sounds like a threat

[frozen ingot]

yet it does have that

[cursive summit]

Ngl that car is hella cute

Pricing seems unannounced, prolly same as something like a Volkswagen ID.4?

[frozen ingot]

combustion engines are a pretty amazing engineering feat taken for granted

machine spinning hundreds of parts subjected to extreme conditions 24/7 for years reliably

[cursive summit]

I think what made me really like the ID.4 was the HUD

I thought that's a cool af feature

[frozen ingot]

yea surprised how lazy car brands have been to adopt such features

like the tech has been there for decades now

[cursive summit]

Can you in theory get rid of the driver's indicator panel if you just put all of those metrics on the windshield?

Would prolly break some laws somewhere

[steep creek]

Last time I heard this feature was delayed for a couple years due to software issues. I’m unsure of the situation now, but they seem to be behind

[cursive summit]

Wdym behind

This is the only car I know that has a HUD

[steep creek]

Someone I know opted for a polestar instead of the id3, since it was not ready at the time

Mercedes eq series also have a similar hud

[frozen ingot]

night vision?

[steep creek]

Oh yeah I remember that, it was common in the infotainment display I think lol

[frozen ingot]

https://www.eagleeyeuk.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/might-vision.jpg

you mean that sorta stuff?

huh

[steep creek]

Those move so unpredictably hah

[frozen ingot]

never seen anything like that over here

some automotive fads you guys had never really took off here, and vice versa

like how digital lcd/vfd dashboards were a thing in every other car sold on the US market in the 80s

you only really saw it on top spec trim models here

we never got 8-track either

just regular ol compact cassettes for eu car audio market

isn't soarer essentially a lexus in daily leisure wear

[steep creek]

Really cool, might pick one up just for safety’s sake

[gusty kiln]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JDbrWmlqMw

[thick elk]

That magical 24GB 7900XT

[gusty kiln]

[astral haven]

still telling that amd cant even make it better in their own sponsored title...

[gusty kiln]

pretty crazy to see thje 7900xt ahead of the 4080

unless nvidia drivers aren't out yet?

[astral haven]

nvidia has drivers unlike intel

[gusty kiln]

I haven't noticed an update

[astral haven]

released last week

apparently

[thick elk]

The question does remain how much did Nvidia optimize, it could be that they quickly rushed something out the door where amd had a lot more time.

[astral haven]

amd definetly had more time, they sponsored the game lel

[thick elk]

Of course but the real question is did Nvidia get enough time to reasonably work with.

[gusty kiln]

no mention of starfield, so hopefully I'll get a little bit more performance next update

[astral haven]

read it again lol

[thick elk]

This is something that will clear up over time.

[astral haven]

"game ready for starfield"

[gusty kiln]

oh I was looking at a different one

wrong date

oops

[thick elk]

Besides that, some games are just more AMD favored in general

[gusty kiln]

yeah

like COD

[astral haven]

isnt cod also radeon sponsored?

[gusty kiln]

is it?

[thick elk]

I don't think it was sponsored by either of them?

[gusty kiln]

yeah

don't see any branding on the main CoD paghe

[astral haven]

i know there have been plenty of radeon sponsored cods in the past

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9sDRmp_vAU

[gusty kiln]

and cod is a super outlier, the only game the 7900XTX even comes close to the 4090

[astral haven]

well now starfield too

[gusty kiln]

yeah

[fickle ore]

@ashen spindle rip AMD

[gusty kiln]

lol no 7000 on that chart

[fickle ore]

wouldnt change much

[thick elk]

Actually interesting to see the 8700k loses to a 2600x, looking back at my past cpu

[astral haven]

7000 was the first generation that amd released in 15 years that was not slower than intels previous generation

[thick elk]

5000x3d was not slower than intel in gaming

it had it's wins and losses

[astral haven]

it was substantially slower often

and on average it was slower

[gusty kiln]

it trade blows

not outright beat

[thick elk]

It also was substantially faster in some cases

[astral haven]

i suppose if you consider 11th gen to exist then sure

but not compared to 10900k

[astral haven]

actually no

at least not fps wise

it did have some big ws in turn times

but it had a pretty severe frametime vs average problem

10% increased averages vs 5800x but 2% slower 95% and 99%s was a very very frequent thing

that aint faster, thats about the same perf

[thick elk]

Well you are taking a subset here, the 5800x3d was a very good upgrade in especially longer lived cpu bound games.
Paradox games, mmo's, factorio

[astral haven]

but not for csgo, dota, valorant, fortnite

[ashen spindle]

yeah memory bandwidth makes ddr5 great and it seems ther working set size makes it better for the winder intel cpus

also seems to do really weird scaling when it comes to threads as I saw someone else test

definitely interresting behaviours

[astral haven]

yea you shouldnt buy intel just because its faster, if it costs 20% more and consumes 50% more power, are you really winning?

[fickle ore]

No doubt DDR5 has a big effect, but fps seems to scale thread count wise

[astral haven]

esp for like a 2% w on average

[thick elk]

Those games run pretty well on hardware, some of those games I mentioned are really struggling cpu wise.
Playing late game hoi4 the substanial upgrade there would be well noticable.
If I played Planetside 2 it could very well be well noticable in the laggy area's

[astral haven]

thats very debatable

[fickle ore]

Had a few months of -2 c kw/h lmfao, I guess for atleast those months =p

[astral haven]

csgo struggles to keep 99%s over 120fps with most cpus

when many folks are using 360hz monitors, thats real pain right there

[fickle ore]

csgo2?

[astral haven]

1

[thick elk]

Point remains it was trading blows, better for some use cases worse for others.

[astral haven]

2 isnt even released yet and we are talking 5800x3d

[fickle ore]

Tested 2 today, game's now playable. Can actually see shit and its like 3x brighter

[astral haven]

trading blows like 7900xtx vs 4090 not trading blows like uh 4790k and 6700k

[fickle ore]

Stuttered like hell tho

[ashen spindle]

also game seems to literally refuse to run on e cores lol

someone testet it by like disabling p cores and it didnt seem to run lol

[astral haven]

i await techpowerup testing, should give a good idea of all the cpus and gpus

[ashen spindle]

wait no not e cores this was about threads

eh the guys testing that tomorrow more

[fickle ore]

oh linked above

[thick elk]

Yes that video started this conversation thread

you have to be faster with gn video's posted here

[fickle ore]

[gusty kiln]

7900xt not a bad upgrade, at least for this game

usually between 4070ti and 4080 in everything else

[thick elk]

Well it's what I am running after skipping the last two gpu generations.

• I really don't want to deal with Nvidia's linux drivers

[gusty kiln]

you UV?

cuz the power usage is the only concern

[thick elk]

Idle power usage is crap on any high power gpu once you hook 4 monitors onto it, nvidia is no different at that point

[astral haven]

not true

[fickle ore]

Well atleast they're commited to fixing idle power usage

[thick elk]

My gtx 1080 was no better at least, maybe marginally so but it was like 60 vs 70 w idle

[astral haven]

nvidia is something like 2 watts per 4k60 of resolution on 30 and 40 series
amd is at like 5 watts per monitor on top of that 2 watts with an extra 20 watts randomly

and nvidias base idle is like 20 watts vs the 40 on 7000

[thick elk]

It's not x wats per monitor, above a certain amount it simply will keep part of the gpu at a much higher state.
I won't exclude that the 30 and 40 series improved here but I somewhat doubt it suddenly becoming significantly better.
Either way it would be mostly academic because I really do not want to deal with their linux drivers.

[astral haven]

no thats very wrong

there are 4 clock gens

each clock gen has multiple power states

4k30 or lower is one state, above is a different state (both brands)

nvidia has 4 clock gens, but 2 get used up if you need DSC above 4k120

so max power is acheived with either quad 4k120 or dual 4k240

and you cant do more than dual 4k240 because fuck you

[thick elk]

So how would 3x 1440p 144hz + 1200P 60hz fare here

[astral haven]

on 30 or 40 that should be low power for all 4 clockgens

so id say like 12 watts probably? if you have nothing running on all your extra monitors

again this is just for empty monitors, if you are rendering more you are rendering more

also keep in mind theres also the windows bug (that applies to both nvidia and amd) which your mixing and matching of fps might hit

thats +100w on 30 series, +40w on 20 and 40 series, i forget how much it is for 7900xtx but im pretty sure it totals to around 80 or 90?

[thick elk]

Good thing the windows bug is irrelevant for me. Also on amd I can use wayland, on nvidia I would be stuck with xorg which means no vrr

[astral haven]

oh i have not a single clue the power on linux

you probably are getting quite severely worse power draw per extra monitor, my steam deck was dying with my external monitor

[thick elk]

Also amd has some issues with multiple vrr monitors, where they have to increase mclk to work with it.

[astral haven]

yea im not even gonna get into vrr issues

[gusty kiln]

lol accidentally found that holding down M1 on a youtube video makes it player 2X

[thick elk]

Still it works fine, and there is 0 scaling in power usages between 2 and 4 monitors on windows and 3 or 4 on windows

[ashen spindle]

wonder if the win11 change to different hz screens also helps tehre

[astral haven]

thats absolutely most assuredly wrong

[thick elk]

Temperatures and sensors tell me that at least

[astral haven]

i mean you might have been hitting the mixed monitor bug, and its possible the mixed monitor bug forcibly activates all the clockgens

but a 1080 should idle at 15 watts, and each monitor extra should add 3-5w (including the first)

so total for 1 monitor can be 16ish to 20, 2 monitors can be 18ish to 25ish, 3 monitors 20-30, 4 monitors 22-35

[thick elk]

It was always 60 with my above setup and with 4 monitors in general, this has never been lower, neither on windows nor linux

[astral haven]

yea so you are either running into the windows bug (as i call it) and just linux activates the gpu

https://tpucdn.com/review/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1080/images/power_idle.png
also my bad i was thinking 1080ti
1080 apparently idles alot lower

+2 for a second monitor

[thick elk]

Multi monitor is not 4 monitors.
Power consumption above 2 of them goes up a lot on the 1080

[astral haven]

so walking back this statement first

[thick elk]

What am I walking back, that my 7900xt on linux does not scale in power usage with 2 or higher 1440p 144hz monitors but stays at a lower power state in windows until I connect the third?

That is what I meassured

[astral haven]

again could be hitting the windows bug

[thick elk]

my gtx 1080 had different scaling, and just skyrocketed starting at 3

[astral haven]

mhm sure
again what makes you think its the monitors and not the compositing bug?

[thick elk]

I did run when just using windows 2 monitors on my igp for a while and that lowered it a lot.

Still that was years ago so not as clear as the state on my 7900xt

I have only looked at the results not at the cause

[astral haven]

ok sure
if you have qlums setup, that is the symptoms

but you can run into the bug by adding only 1 monitor

and you can activate multiple display controllers using a single monitor

but thats again not the fault of the card

[thick elk]

Still the opening statement was for me at least, there was no meaningful difference between the gtx1080 and 7900xt.

Just 10w

[astral haven]

this is outright wrong

first of all the 1080 is a low power gpu these days so even if you meant 1080 and not nvidia and 7900xt and not amd, noone would have been able to figure that out

and second, thats comparing a gpu over 5 years old to a brand new one, and without even knowing about the major bugs that could be affecting you on one and not the other

[thick elk]

I was extrapolating from a lack of actual practical evidence of 4 or more monitor setups on higher powered nvidia cards, I may have been generalizing a bit granted.
Either way I would be pretty clear that I was also only talking in the context of linux here

[astral haven]

"a bit" from one example across 5 years to the entirety of 2 companies (where there are 10s of millions of combinations)

[thick elk]

I will add that the gpu I had before that a hd7950 had roughly similar power on 4 monitors

[astral haven]

well that was in the days prior to power savings

[thick elk]

So yea my knowledge is incomplete but I find it a fair assumption to generalize on a use case that has had high idle power for as long as I can remember

[astral haven]

yea the difference is that things have changed alot in the past while

[thick elk]

Actually the 7950 did go into lower power states with less displays connected as well.

Either way, kind of a pointless argument for what was really only a footnote for me.

[astral haven]

the point is that its not that simple

if you get a 3090ti, you are gonna be sitting at 120ish watts pretty frequently

if you get a 4090, you are gonna be sitting at 40 pretty frequently

both with 4 monitors or 2 dsc monitors

[thick elk]

okay, still that seems to be the same order of magnitude the 40w, the 120ish watts would be a noticable uptick

40w would not be something to realistically factor in for my use case.

At the very least on that front I am glad I no longer have a gpu with a stupid 0rpm mode that kept spinning up and down at the 60w mark. But that was just gigabyte and not on nvidia

Anyway I am out /sleep

[astral haven]

my 9900k to 5950x "upgrade" increased my pc idle power from 90 watts at the wall to 150 (remember that idle power we have been talking about is at the gpu, and psus are super inefficient at lower loads)
that was enough power to actually noticeably heat up my room which made it intolerable to run my pc during summer and spring 😦

[thick elk]

To some extend yes, but I also have 4 monitors blasting my screen and the number of actually hot days in summer are pretty limited here.

Of course I would love it if the power just halved on idle but it's not going to be a major factor here.

[astral haven]

we only have a few days over 100 (40c) but we have many over 90 and i am particularly heat intolerant

[thick elk]

You could see it as a few days above 30 here and a dozen or two with peaks at 25c. So different situation to be sure

[astral haven]

😦 misery

[thick elk]

I would definitely invest in AC at those temps, even have a portable ac myself which I hardly ever use.

[astral haven]

yea indoors we stay under 80

we have central air, but my room will heat up too quickly, and the thermometer wont trigger until way too late for my room

[thick elk]

I also have the luxory not share my mancave with my bedroom anymore so at worst I grab my steamdeck and go downstairs.

[astral haven]

luxury that is 😦

i also have a new watercooling scheme
i have my fans controlled by the coolant temp, so as long as i dont keep my pc on for more than 10ish minutes, the fans stay off

[thick elk]

I do know the problem of not triggering climate control, I have it with heating in winter.
If it remains warm downstairs heating doesn't trigger even though it cools down more upstairs.

[astral haven]

yea what happened to heat rises
i demand a refund, im on a lower floor and the room upstairs stays cooler than my room

[thick elk]

I have my fans pretty quiet as my nas / server is there as well so no point in tuning it further.
I could go custom loop but really not worth the price for me.

[astral haven]

i went custom loop for just my cpu bc it was on sale and the addiction got worse from there

i spent over $200 on quick disconnect fittings, so that i could swap out any component whenever
since then i have not upgraded a single component

😭

[thick elk]

If I wanted a custom loop it would mostly be for my gpu, but gpu blocks are expensive and I have a 420 aio on a 7800x3d so not much point in upgrading

[astral haven]

yea i have a 3090 kingpin

[thick elk]

I still have hardline fittings laying around I got on the cheap from EX when that bug was there.

If I went custom loop I don't even think I would go hardline, seems like too much of a bother if you want to mess with things.

[astral haven]

quite capable of drawing 650w

came with a clc, and it was damn loud

not as loud as the motherboard built in fan on my x570 tho

fuck why did i go amd

i lost a pcie slot, and the ability to use my computer during the summer

[thick elk]

Well that mobo fan is a pretty specific circumstance.

[astral haven]

it was at the time required if you wanted usb ports or more than 1 gen 4 on am4

[flint wolf]

Is there a tkl wooting coming out soon yall?

[thick elk]

As for loud gpu's I remember when I got my hd7950 with the old amd stock cooler, damn those were absolute garbage

[astral haven]

lel yea i have been collecting, and damn the old stuff is loud

not as loud as my xeon phi ofc

[thick elk]

Arctic accellero extreme came to the rescue there.

[astral haven]

the 7990 stock cooler tho was sweet

not r9 nano tier but it was still quite pretty

[mild dome]

Huh, my MB's X570 fan never seems to run, and I got a lot connected to it. Might be that the heatsink my my MB is larger and can absorb the load, or that it's just further away from me and harder to hear

[severe phoenix]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/382777229182107650/1146507449587744958/atleast_it_works.gif

[pale sigil]

Xd

https://tenor.com/view/dream-things-can-only-get-better-dancepop-90s-music-gif-17939977

[halcyon willow]

average AMD fanboy gameplay experience

[mild dome]

What's some of the worst exampes of FSR2 failures?

[ashen spindle]

bleeding into console games hahahhaha

wait till you tell people what consoles used to do with checkerboard rendering

[mild dome]

Geeezus that's nasty
I think I've only touched FSR2 on Remant 2, but found the performance lacklustre so I turned it off

[halcyon willow]

average slimy AMD marketing tactics

[ashen spindle]

that's not even the upscaler at fault thats bad TAA

name me a single game that looks better than final fantasy 16

[mild dome]

FS2 likely relies on the developers knowing what they are doing
Which feels like it's getting rare these days

[ashen spindle]

yes but you can change the TAA settings and how it works

fsr1 doesnt use taa

[mild dome]

Developers are probably going
"So before we needed to aim for 4K60FPS yeah? Well NOW we can aim for 240P30FPS and use Upscale to 4K60 using FSR and DLSS!"

[cursive summit]

Uh, at least according to techpowerup, it does

It does TAA in first pass and then applies FSR1.0 render after

[frozen ingot]

wait til people find out you often didn't even get the same game whatsoever on different platforms

[ashen spindle]

fsr1 is just an upscaling into sharpening pass, no info for multiple frames so if you give it TAA it's just because the game does that before anyway

[cursive summit]

Yeah but FSR1 uses TAA for anti-aliasing part, then upscales and sharpens

Or maybe that's just game-dependent

[ashen spindle]

that is not part of FSR

fsr1 starts after the AA passes already happened

yes

nobody said it uses 1

[cursive summit]

Ah, I see https://gpuopen.com/manuals/fidelityfx_sdk/fidelityfx_sdk-page_techniques_super-resolution-spatial/

Expected input
Image should already be well anti-aliased by a technique like TAA, MSAA etc.

So it expects an input that is AA'd, but not necessarily

[vagrant pagoda]

Do you have a x570s refresh?

[halcyon willow]

less fans running the better

[reef patrol]

Fewer.

Less fan would imply removing part of the fan.

[halcyon willow]

https://tenor.com/view/grammar-police-police-car-gif-16260565

[reef patrol]

[halcyon willow]

which i wouldn't mind doing either wayu

haha

[reef patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/kevin-hart-stand-up-comedy-you-gone-l-earn-today-learn-learning-gif-5099594

[halcyon willow]

If you were my teacher I would show up to class today

[cursive summit]

If they implied fan speed, then less is correct

Although but then it's just lower

Yeah just go back to school

[mild dome]

I have an x570 Taichi, not sure if it's a refresh. How do you tell?

[vagrant pagoda]

I have the razor version of that and it has an s

[mild dome]

Don't seem to have an S version
I can only hazard the following guesses:

1. better cooling, I invested a bit in trying to keep my pc cool
2. I am not hitting my chipset enough, I have a backup drive, a SATA drive, and an M.2 drive connected to it. Most of which wouldn't be running 90% of the time.
3. The fan on your X570 has a faulty bearing

[covert onyx]

anyone know how to fix logitech g hub issue

cant seem to open it

for some reason

[pale sigil]

Clear cache

[ashen spindle]

literally what I talked about when the benchmarks came out already

[vagrant pagoda]

Mine has a s chipset

Pretty the s superseded the old chip

[severe phoenix]

https://www.tomsguide.com/opinion/i-owe-every-steam-deck-owner-a-massive-apology-its-a-great-gaming-device

[rough osprey]

https://twitter.com/LogitechG/status/1698093516952424837?t=zsY5qYZWZ3Q-isllaNVvaw&s=19

Logitech G (@LogitechG)

Built to win | 09.05

▶ Play video

Twitter · Sep 2, 2023, 10:00 PM

yoooo

[hybrid tusk]

is corsair hx1200 a great psu

[ashen spindle]

https://www.cybenetics.com is a good place to look for psu tests

[hybrid tusk]

and between cooler master ml360 sub zero evo and corsair icue h150i elite which one is the best water cooler?

[ashen spindle]

Neither

[rough osprey]

ml360 no icue so better

[hybrid tusk]

any pc case recommended I guess i would go icue h150 with corsair 5000d is that okay? or should i go with nzxt h7 elite with icue?

[hybrid tusk]

any thing to recommended me ?🥺

[ashen spindle]

my guy we got no clue what your build is if you just randomly ask about single parts about it

[hybrid tusk]

what is the thing i should tell first

😭

[rough osprey]

just say everything

:D

[ashen spindle]

pcpartpicker list or something

[hybrid tusk]

4090
i9 13900k
rog maximus z790 hero
corsair dominator plat
wd black sn850x

😭

no idea about psu pc case and cooler

[crisp granite]

cooler: Arctic liquid freezer II
Psu: whatever at least 1000 watt, get a nice one from a known brand
Case: anything with plenty of ventilation, add fans if needed

I’d opt for a pure base 500DX for the case personally

You’re welcome

[worldly pulsar]

guy is going all in on that pc xD

[rough osprey]

just before 4090ti release

[severe phoenix]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/832464641719926806/1147707758389501962/zavwgrt5vvlb1.png

[rough osprey]

sicl

[vagrant pagoda]

Yeah the ice man was a paper thin coldplate it's dope

[zenith silo]

O11 dynamic 💪💪

Very happy with mine both looks and thermals wise (although my specs dont compare to yours)

My 6900xt rarely goes above 50c at max load

[thick elk]

I used it myself last psu replacement, I wish that their certification slowly replaces the 80plus one.
Of course, their test reports also offer valuable data. But as a label itself, it's already better.

[ashen spindle]

yup

[fickle ore]

Diamond rated PSU's when

gotta upgrade

[hardy idol]

throw your best looking and/or favourite pc cases for sale rn at me here
I need inspiration

[cursive summit]

?

Can't go wrong with the north

[steep creek]

Beautiful case. Have had very good experiences with fractal

[hardy idol]

Idk if I like that

I was looking at bequiet 901, phanteks nv9 etc
I really liked building in a 4000D Airflow a few years ago too

[halcyon willow]

Formd T1

[cursive summit]

Don't, it's an ITX case

[hardy idol]

Ah I'm a full size person

[cursive summit]

Unless you like ITX

[hardy idol]

I like cooling

I also like that it looks good

[tall yew]

I wish I could get itx parts here

no one sells them

[halcyon willow]

where are you

[tall yew]

Jordan

[halcyon willow]

nice bro

IMO one of the best looking mid towers are from NZXT

H5 Flow in black looks really nice

[hardy idol]

I will kill myself before I buy NZXT

[ashen spindle]

sounds reasonable

[cursive summit]

Yeah no complains there

[ashen spindle]

I just use the lian li mesh cases, they are really good for airflow

[halcyon willow]

Really?

[hardy idol]

Yes.

[cursive summit]

NZXT is... alright?

[hardy idol]

NZXT is a shit company with shit software

[cursive summit]

@hardy idolyou usually splurge cash, you want to see something unique?

[hardy idol]

Do i?

😂

WHAT

I dont

[cursive summit]

That's the impression you give sometimes

[hardy idol]

I think

lmao why

[cursive summit]

https://www.msi.com/PC-Case/MEG-PROSPECT-700R/Overview

Get this case

Actually cool

[hardy idol]

ugly imo

[cursive summit]

It has a touch panel ffs

[halcyon moss]

GAMER

[hardy idol]

same reason i never liked the Phanteks eclipses

miss me with that angular shit

[hardy idol]

and what will i use that for

[cursive summit]

get the gamer case

Screen saver button

[hardy idol]

but I usually do those features

on my pc

weather is cool though

how is the pc market nowadays btw

do we still love the D15 and laugh at AIO coolers?

[cursive summit]

AIO is cool

[hardy idol]

I think they look cool but

I love the D15, theres a new version coming (maximum sex)

[cursive summit]

d15 is way too chonk

And doesn't fix into an ITX case

[hardy idol]

Im going ATX anyway

[cursive summit]

AIO is cool and fits into an ITX case

Well, some of em

[ashen spindle]

d15 is the tried and tested, dark rock pro is the same and a bit cheaper, Thermalright Peerless Assassin is amazing value for not high end intel chips

[cursive summit]

Fractal Terra, for how much support it has, is a really bad case in some ways

[halcyon willow]

t1 ripoff

[cursive summit]

Terrible panel design, no radiator support, really bad fan mounting

SSUPD makes better cases, all mesh, none of this perforated metal panel stuff

[halcyon willow]

finally we can fucking agree on something

[cursive summit]

I have to agree with you?

[hardy idol]

lmao

[halcyon willow]

no, you don't

[hardy idol]

btw do you guys like phanteks NV series cases

[ashen spindle]

no

bad for airflow

[hasty thunder]

and too pricy

[hardy idol]

I need something sleek but also airflow aaah

[hasty thunder]

Fractal North

[hasty thunder]

https://youtu.be/Aor-3v6N7i8?si=Mpc8mjiwcgTZy0u-

[hardy idol]

looks small?

[ashen spindle]

for custom loop maybe? otherwise no real issue

[hardy idol]

mhm I like it big

bit more spacious design is more pleasant to look at

(why i like NV7/NV9)

I am a big liker of Evolv X but thats very old by now

also terrible airflow but

[ashen spindle]

yeah I just looked for best airflow below 100 and took it xD

[hasty thunder]

Well, i would've said you can go with a Define 7 XL, it's spacious as heck, but the airflow sucks unless you take the front panel door off

[hardy idol]

I always liked these

but they´re not good for airflow and outdated I´d say

[cursive summit]

Looks like a cargo box

[hardy idol]

which is cool

[hardy idol]

laughs in D15

[wheat plume]

https://youtu.be/vtxedkuUCas

[hardy idol]

apart from recommending cases
I also do want to look at liquid coolers

whats good what isnt or is it all equally trash

[ashen spindle]

arctic liquid freezer 360 for the best one to recommend imo

[hardy idol]

also uhm

Uhm, how do they print this on

And while Asuka is cool, I want a different theme for my pc

[reef patrol]

Uv or screen printing.

[hardy idol]

is it expensive to do/have done

[reef patrol]

My case sidepanels are all UV printed.

[hardy idol]

Can you have it done?

[reef patrol]

Custom or as part of production?

[hardy idol]

custom yea

I don´t think I need to explain what I want on the PC

[reef patrol]

Yes. Just gotta find a printer who does it.

[hardy idol]

Damn

Need to find someone then

damn those printers arent cheap

[reef patrol]

I paid about... 160 for the case work.

Twice because two cases.

Euros*

[hardy idol]

not bad

I need a really good looking case

one that I want to put the effort into to customize

I looove the NV9 for how it looks

but people here say it has airflow problems

Is there like, a giant build gallery somewhere to get inspiration

[wheat plume]

Got to love the semicolon launcher xd

https://youtu.be/GuOCrAaNhjM

SAMTIME: Using Asahi Linux on Macbook as his first Linux experience

[vagrant pagoda]

d15? pathetic laughs with broken back from P1

[hardy idol]

wha

[pale sigil]

@hardy idol

Noctua p1

[rough osprey]

🥵🥵🥵🥵🥵🥵🥵🥵🥵🥵🥵🥵🥵

[hardy idol]

yeah is it better?

i dont think so?

[halcyon willow]

what in the fuck is that

[cursive summit]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKBF7fWST20

[vagrant pagoda]

nvme heatsink

p1 is fanless

[gusty kiln]

https://i.redd.it/l5sff3m4n0mb1.jpg

Classic first batch pulsar

[cursive summit]

https://wccftech.com/asus-officially-releases-intel-nuc-lineup-featuring-business-units/

And it's ruined

[ashen spindle]

if asus didnt take it it would have died

[cursive summit]

Yeah but it's better off dead than ASUS doing it

[hardy idol]

idk, dont think its a bad thing tbh

[vagrant pagoda]

how

asus is prob one of the few oems that can do them in volume

[cursive summit]

I really don't like their reliability

Expensive, unreliable hardware

[frozen ingot]

my rog laptop is pushing 8 years

that thing has taken a beating over the years and had to do some surgery with new ramstick and os drive this year but goes like clockwork again now

[misty saffron]

my rog monitor of 4 years had a pink line like a year ago that i fixed via percussive maintenance

and it has survived 3 moves

[ashen spindle]

even more so when stx halo comes

[hardy idol]

is it really though

people seem to like the O11 for example, which I think is a similar style case?

[ashen spindle]

yes if you watercool thats great

but otherwise the air has to take a 90° turn

[hardy idol]

Mhm, yeah so I´m looking at AIOs because ngl I do want one because I think they look good

(a sin against noctua, I know and I´m sorry)

but yeah then, starts the debate.
NV9 or O11

[ashen spindle]

I mean optics is your preferences I personally just cba with aios for cpus when I need to pay >150 to beat a 80 aircooler

[hardy idol]

Oh dont dare me
I´ll do it

I dont like empty fan slots

[halcyon willow]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-bateman-stare-card-scene-going-insane-american-psycho-gif-26261029

[hardy idol]

So I´ll actually do it

[halcyon willow]

Shame on you.

[hardy idol]

well sure yeah

wdym

btw is O11D - NV7
O11D XL - N9

or do they not compare directly like that

yeah so the NV9 looks slimmer

I mean, the phantekses in general do

hyte?

[hardy idol]

this is the NV7 phanteks enclosure

I was made in Taiwan too

tbh they made really cool stuff

remember when they showed us the cases that used wood pieces

dammm

lmao

istg all those projects is why theyre a cool company but

that sucks for real economically

honestly the O11 Dynamic is probably the single reason theyre still alive like they are

that case blew them, but also the case market, up

but it´s a wide boi

(D)465mm × (W)285mm × (H)459mm

532 x 253 x 586 mm

for the phanteks

[misty saffron]

so what do you have against old women

[hardy idol]

and the NV9 is even bigger than those

[misty saffron]

wow you could’ve dissed me many different ways

yet chose the most painful

did you just edit every single one of those

[hardy idol]

446 x 272 x 445 O11D
465 x 285 x 459 O11D EVO
471 x 285 x 513 O11D XL
532 x 253 x 586 NV7
572 x 276 x 607 NV9

okay easier to compare now

[misty saffron]

nice delet

[hardy idol]

NV series are longer, higher, but slimmer

lol

[hardy idol]

ngl

phanteks NVs are super tall

[zenith silo]

Wait

It fits 12?

I only have 1 360mm in mine

[hardy idol]

watch me buy an NV9

Wait isnt this bracket

absolutely an airflow disaster or

does it not matter so much because of the fans under it

[zenith silo]

Are all of those fans exhausting?

[hardy idol]

no phanteks has reverse fans

so they still look good in an enclosure like this

guys is it just me

or are these cases TRULY MASSIVE

or have I grown out of touch with how big a PC is

(also very possible)

[zenith silo]

My o11 Evo was massive that thing looks huge

[zenith silo]

Plenty of mini PC's with 4090s

[hardy idol]

psu

[zenith silo]

People just like big PC's I think now

[hardy idol]

look listen up

consider this

I STILL LOVE THAT THING FOR THE LOOK BUT

REeeeeeeeee

yeah no i want it air cooled

I like the look of the stock cooler on certain models

[zenith silo]

True but I've seen mini itx air cooled 4090/4080s

[hardy idol]

Also

Are there AIOs for the cpu now

that are good quality

and have an LCD screen plsss

[zenith silo]

Founders edition I wouldn't wanna watercool simply for looks

I've seen someone running an air-cooled 4090 in one of those mini itx cases

Idk the name of the case, might've even been optimum tech idk

I can try and find it

[halcyon willow]

bro are you guys insane

just stop talking

[zenith silo]

https://youtu.be/XiCwDRzLHDk?si=DsR8LUHDPjtzDLRP

This might be what I was thinking of

[halcyon willow]

it's insanely easy

and beautiful

[hardy idol]

.

I think I saw one at some point

[misty saffron]

what’s with the small ass cases, do you people live in 8 sq m apartments?

[zenith silo]

My hands would be too fat to work on stuff like that🤣

[wheat plume]

Gnome 45 Nautilus got a new sidebar and much MUCH better search :D

[latent mural]

Here’s mine

[halcyon willow]

small footprint

[zenith silo]

Not everyone wants half their desk being a pc

• easier to move with

[pale sigil]

its pleasing

[zenith silo]

Moving with my PC is gonna be a nightmare

[ashen spindle]

the mistake here is having it on your desk

[pale sigil]

my dream is itx but its expensive and well thermals

[hardy idol]

yeah

have it on a cabinet next to your desk

[halcyon willow]

hurry

[pale sigil]

I moved my PC off my desk and its bae

[misty saffron]

floor is lava

[hardy idol]

way better

or have a massive desk

[zenith silo]

I didn't spend money for it to sit on my floor

[halcyon willow]

I just have it mounted underneath the desk literally

[ashen spindle]

that makes no sense

[zenith silo]

I also have a big desk so don't deal with it, personally I like big PC's

[halcyon willow]

easy with 9.5 L

[zenith silo]

I don't want my PC on my floor that's all

Less dust on the desk + I like looking at it

[ashen spindle]

I have it on a roller board, no dust from ground and easy to move

[digital cliff]

mine on the floor too

[halcyon willow]

Listen, just do yourself a favor and pay more for less.

[digital cliff]

don't want it making noise next to me anyway

[halcyon willow]

Go mITX

[zenith silo]

Can you run 2 different GPUs (amd and Nvidia) on the same PC?

Or does it break everything

If my 2070s wasn't so noisy I'd plug it in

[zenith silo]

I wanna sell this thing but it crapped out a fan blade

[hardy idol]

the last PC I built

[halcyon willow]

It gets very hard, very quick lol

but it's still very fun

[zenith silo]

It's been sitting in my shelf as a paper weight for the last 3 months, still works great and stays cool just makes a bad noise

[hardy idol]

dw I got the red code thing to turn off

was in a Corsair 4000D Airflow

[zenith silo]

I can't even take pics of my PC because my camera is so ass the lights just blur it out

🤣

[halcyon willow]

its okay McKnight

[latent mural]

Lighting is everything

[zenith silo]

My phone is the epitome of android quality camera

[halcyon willow]

bro why does it always look like shit when I take a photo from my phone and upload it

[zenith silo]

Discord compression

[hardy idol]

yeah

[zenith silo]

Me too but I heard they have good cases

[hardy idol]

so thats why the 4000D was used for a PC at work

[halcyon willow]

That's so fucking stupid.

[zenith silo]

Yeah discord ruins the quality on photos and videos

[hardy idol]

But I think it looks good

[zenith silo]

I don't think I'll ever get rid of my o11 Evo

Unless it breaks somehow?

[zenith silo]

Case looks good, great thermals, and it was incredibly easy to build in

I did pay 300+$ for it though

Average prebuilt buyer

[hardy idol]

i need photos

[zenith silo]

Prepare for the most android quality washed out photo ever

[hardy idol]

I am prepared

[halcyon willow]

I'm not.

[hardy idol]

wdym?

yeah but its raw right

so thats good right

[zenith silo]

Just realized how bad my cable management was💀

[halcyon willow]

shame

[hardy idol]

yeah okay

if you dont edit it no

but if you wanna edit it, yes right

[zenith silo]

2 black fans are because my white ones crapped out

[hardy idol]

damn

[zenith silo]

Haven't bought new ones

[hardy idol]

you live in the rld fr

[halcyon willow]

In theory, yes

[hardy idol]

hahahaha

so much smoke

[halcyon willow]

bros camera has radiation poisoning

[hardy idol]

is that a bong next to the pc to explain it or

you have to have a reason for the misty effect of this photo

[zenith silo]

What you don't like the 2017/18 lg quality

[zenith silo]

Yes

[hardy idol]

lmao

[zenith silo]

It's not smoke thougj

[hardy idol]

the front camera of my laptop

[zenith silo]

That's just my camera

LOL

[hardy idol]

makes better pictures than this

😂

look above

[hardy idol]

here

[hardy idol]

and here

i mean yeah

or

the D15 is big

both statements are true i guess

yea

7000D

didnt even know that existed

when you said bigger I was thinking 5000D lmfao

do you have pictures of the 7000D build

7000D is similar in height to the NV9 I was looking at earlier actually

but idk for some reason it looks massiver?

[vagrant pagoda]

i have the full size torrent and its like the 3rd largest case ive used

but has the most room where you need it

[hardy idol]

oh mhm

[vagrant pagoda]

those c700s are sexy

[hardy idol]

Let me give an opinion about that handlebar mf

that shit ugly as fuck mate

[vagrant pagoda]

bro waht

[hardy idol]

yep.

and I do not retract my statement

[hardy idol]

yeah

no

thats a no

wha

ugh no

[steep creek]

my dream would be to feed them via that cd drive. lol

[latent mural]

Lame

Just gimme good airflow

[gusty kiln]

Open test bench for max air flow

I've been looking at the dimastech ones

Dunno but they are pretty old

[reef patrol]

Gesundheit

[gusty kiln]

Ooo nice

Can fit the B650E taichi

[severe phoenix]

https://www.reddit.com/r/pcgaming/comments/1691vef/john_linneman_digital_foundry_what_i_can_say/

[gusty kiln]

I also like those adjustable arms for fan

Can get cool air directly on RAM if needed

https://twitter.com/dark1x/status/1698394695922000246

John Linneman (@dark1x)

@Sw33t_FlexZ @AMD No problem. I also deleted it due to confusion. I wasn't talking about Starfield at all!

Twitter · Sep 3, 2023, 5:57 PM

In the comments

Mostly games no one plays

Though space marine 2 was on some list

And I'm looking forward to that game

It looks really good, using the same engine as WWZ

Tyranids everywhere

Wonder if we'll fight that new over powered unit

Norn emissary

You can sign up for the beta atm

[wheat plume]

https://youtu.be/Bff0jQxsB_k

[reef patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/thanks-i-hate-it-no-thanks-gif-18664913

[wheat plume]

0% C: usage... 🤔

[hardy idol]

What is considered the best cpu on the market rn

gaming mostly

im going to do some solidworks on it too, that mostly benefits from singlecore high clock iirc

[rough osprey]

i3

[hardy idol]

so intel is still on top

or is there an asterisk for other type loads

where

which is rendering?

or what is tested here (idk)

but uh

Would an i7 be considered best for value then nowadays

like, value but performance very good

preferred over a 7800x3d?