🔌│tech

[cursive summit]

https://store.minisforum.de/collections/gaming-creation/products/nuc-15-nuc-17?variant=41302603235511

RTX 3070, 1100 euros

I keep forgetting that mini-PCs nowadays are actually rather capable

Before they used to just be with iGPUs

[solemn remnant]

booba

[cursive summit]

Are you having a stroke? #🔌│tech message #🔌│tech message

[solemn remnant]

yes

[cursive summit]

Ah, okay

[solemn remnant]

please call an ambulance

at this point I'd want to join the mini-itx bandwagon

[cursive summit]

Ah there's a major caveat it seems

Minisforum uses laptop parts

I guess I'll take a look at mini-ITXs as well

[halcyon moss]

that would be the thing i'd mention

its laptop hardware, but in a mini pc format

[cursive summit]

I was expecting RTX 3070 desktop but it's the laptop one

Which is a big big difference

[solemn remnant]

it's a big difference, but yeah can't fit a regular one in a flat case

[cursive summit]

How big are mini-ITX PCs anyways

[solemn remnant]

I guess the height is similar to the one you were looking at, just thiccer

the good thing is you can go all out on the performance if you want, cable management and tetris'ing everything in place is a pain tho

[halcyon moss]

that is if you care about cable management

[solemn remnant]

well yeah it's not a thing that matters after you've got the thing running, but just letting everything hang freely can lead to problems down the line

[halcyon moss]

Today I forgot the cable for my keyboard... Thankfully I have a spare

[cursive summit]

Seems that MSI Trident Z is a rather small gaming PC with proper desktop firmware

One's on amazon with a full powered 3070

Also considering building my own mini-PC

But idk what really tiny cases could house an rx 6800XT

https://lian-li.com/product/a4h2o/

This seems to hold RX 6800XT's no problem according to some

Lol it seems to have enough clearance to hold an RTX 4090

[astral haven]

oh i finally found the meme elon was trying to make

someone called it an x post

just like you would say on reddit

🤦‍♂️

its not an x post from r/funny, its an x post in general

[reef patrol]

More people read news there than...well where else would you suggest?

Radio? Nondescript sirens?

[final flame]

maybe the alert system built onto our phones

[reef patrol]

Those are flaky and unreliable

[final flame]

better than using social media

[reef patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/why-not-both-por-que-no-los-dos-yey-gif-15089379

[final flame]

why not use everything at your disposal

sirens are the only thing that should be kept until it gets bad enough to warrant panick

[ashen spindle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAzWmA401U8

still a mess but more passthrough progress

[cursive summit]

Anyways decided to make an SFF PC instead

That would be hand-carryable

@prisma crag will be happy, I'm getting the Fractal Terra

Seems like the nicest looking and one of the more spacious SFF cases around

Finding a good PSU cooler though that would fit in it with a 2.7 slot card though is a bit difficult

[analog sinew]

there will be a ton of startups using AI to determine gluten content in milkshakes and stuff

90% will go under again and just scam investors anyway

and that's that

🤷‍♂️

[cursive summit]

What milkshakes

[analog sinew]

those that bring all the vexes to the yard

[cursive summit]

Vex the minecraft mob?

[analog sinew]

No, you

[cursive summit]

I do like milkshakes

But I won't go outside under any circumstances

[analog sinew]

understandable

[cursive summit]

Its fuckin expensive though

230$ here

If the build goes way over the top, might have to go with a cheaper case like Lian li Q58

Technically also Torrent Nano exists

[halcyon willow]

Bro you should have came to me

Formd T1 with handle strap

9.95L

[cursive summit]

I can't find a formd t1 on sale here

[halcyon willow]

In EU?

[cursive summit]

Not buying EU

Local

[halcyon willow]

How much for Terra

[cursive summit]

230$

[halcyon willow]

It’s a worse T1

What color

[cursive summit]

Silver

Cause it looks good

Although case isn't much more than just a case

Needs to work, that's the important part

[halcyon willow]

The T1 is the best and it’s cheaper

OOS though if you can wait

What parts?

[cursive summit]

5800X3D, 6800XT

[halcyon willow]

Awesome

[vagrant pagoda]

the fire destoryed the sirens

they were up on the mountian because they are normally for tusnamis

[cursive summit]

Pffft hahah

I went to look at amazon prices

A lot cheaper

But wtf is that dispatch time

[halcyon willow]

They do

[cursive summit]

Formd T1 isn't even on amazon

[halcyon willow]

Case comes flat packed, build it yourself

Why would you look on Amazon lol

[cursive summit]

Where else will I look doofus?

[halcyon willow]

On a website

[cursive summit]

Although DAN A4 is on amazon so that's nice

[vagrant pagoda]

https://formdworks.com/products/manuals

[halcyon willow]

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0375/5973/0308/files/Manual_T1V2_V1.0.pdf?v=1660200068

[halcyon willow]

https://formdworks.com/products/t1-sandwich-kit-silver-color

Do yourself a fucking favor

I’m not gonna let you get a shitty Pc

[cursive summit]

I am not buying from separate storefronts

If I shop on amazon, it's the full rig

[halcyon willow]

💀💀

Listen to me Vex

[vagrant pagoda]

yeah

[cursive summit]

Not listening fuck off

[halcyon willow]

Alright bro

[vagrant pagoda]

also

the terra is 230?

they are 180 in us

arent they swedish

how is it that much more in eu

[halcyon willow]

I bought it pretty much assembled

And just in case I ordered some extra screws from Amazon

Got it for pretty cheap, $150 US

I already had all the parts I needed as well

Still loving it to this day

Their discord is really helpful with this stuff and I have all of the links with help needed

Thank god I saved some stuff before I got banned lol

[halcyon willow]

PSU cooler?

[cursive summit]

Autocorrect keeps fucking me a lot nowadays

CPU

Going with pure rock LP

[halcyon willow]

It’s a sandwich layout case so I’d suggest AXP90-X47 with Noctua fan swap

[cursive summit]

Neither exist here locally

Going with pure rock lp

[halcyon willow]

EU skill issue

What height is that cooler

[cursive summit]

Single storefront issue

[cursive summit]

Idk like 47mm or so

Small

[halcyon willow]

The one I said is on Amazon though

[cursive summit]

Ah fuck this tried switching to a cheaper storefront, their 6800XT's are all 3-slot

The Sapphire I found is a 2.7 slot which is crucial

[halcyon willow]

Won’t gain anything

[cursive summit]

Cause Terra doesn't really fit 3 slot cards

[halcyon willow]

It would need to be 2.5 slot

[cursive summit]

2.7 slot fits

[halcyon willow]

I mean for a cooler

[cursive summit]

322mm clearance on Terra

[halcyon willow]

How about slots?

[cursive summit]

Most 6800XTs are 340mm

Sapphire is 313mm

[halcyon willow]

Another good reason to avoid Terra

[cursive summit]

Idc kmt

[vagrant pagoda]

thats what she said

[halcyon willow]

3.25 slot capable T1 and 3 versions of 4090 cards

[cursive summit]

RTX 4090 fits in the Terra from what I saw

[halcyon willow]

FE, and I think an MSI variant and another

[vagrant pagoda]

took 5 seconds to download

[cursive summit]

Terra, 4090

It's a pretty damn spacious case

Radeon cards are just hella long

But not as thicc

[halcyon willow]

Me personally

[cursive summit]

And that's a fucking issue

XFX 6800XT is 340mm

How am I supposed to fit that

MAYBE the 340mm includes the bracket

Which I think is 12mm

Which you could maybe remove and get it to just fit

How tf did they make the 4090 304mm thick

Or is it just Radeons that are long af

[ashen spindle]

pcb =/= cooler

[cursive summit]

I am aware, which is why I am annoyed with the Sapphire having exactly the same clocks as the 340mm long versions while being 313mm

Like, why the bulk

[ashen spindle]

same clocks but are they the same temps?

might even be different pcb for those etc.

[cursive summit]

Three fan cooler and it's sapp, so I bet they are even better

Anyways I guess I'll go with this storefront since they have the Terra (only storefront in my country that has the Terra in stock) and the Sapphire card

Amazon seems cheaper but they have 3 months shipping on Terra lol

[halcyon willow]

Bros never heard of anodizing

Not you V

[cursive summit]

Cause your mom likes bbc?

[halcyon willow]

Silver, Titanium, and E-White T1: 🫡🫡

[cursive summit]

Damn good SFX-L/ SFX PSUs are hard to find

Seems like a good PSU

[halcyon willow]

SF750

Fool

[cursive summit]

700W Platinum

[halcyon willow]

Garbage and loud

[cursive summit]

I'm not buying a 240 euro PSU

[pale sigil]

Why not

[cursive summit]

Budget limited

[halcyon willow]

150 refurbished

[cursive summit]

Anyways checking cybenetics

[halcyon willow]

From Corsair themselves

Must suck to be an SFF fan in the EU

I feel pity for you

[cursive summit]

Cybenetics only tested the 1000W model, unfortunate

But should be similar

They like it, platinum rating

[ashen spindle]

not even titanium, weak

[cursive summit]

There's barely any affordable SFX PSUs at that rating

[halcyon willow]

So you can buy only on Amazon?

The fuck is that 😭😭

[ashen spindle]

I love paying more for a worse power bill and worse clocks or noise/temperature

[halcyon willow]

SF750 Gold refurbished is more than enough

[cursive summit]

I could get an 80+ Titanium rated one but I'm not paying 314$

Sad that none of the Fractal Ion SFX are in stock

Anyways how much watts would I even need on a 5800X3D and 6800XT

600W should cut it

[halcyon willow]

It should

It will

Order custom cables

[ashen spindle]

without looking up 500 should do

[cursive summit]

105W CPU, 300W or so GPU

Does add up to about 500 on load and 600 should be safe

[halcyon willow]

SF650 with custom cables would be perfect

Good

Sike

I would love that EVGA 1080Ti

Looks insane

[cursive summit]

This fuckin storefront doesn't even have form factor sorting

[astral haven]

i want the evga 4090 😦

[cursive summit]

This?

SFX, Gold

Not best

Not terrible

Other than a 300$ silverstone lol

https://pangoly.com/en/compatibility/fractal-design-terra-graphite/psu

Using this for reference

There's decent amount of platinums

But way out of my price range converted to local pricing

Why are they not providing sizing?

I guess SFX is the "size"

But not sure if they go any bigger

Guess same thing with ITX

So Terra should fit the EVGA PSU then

5800X3D only supports 3200MHz memory?

That's a bit shite

[ashen spindle]

how is this your first time seeing supported specs stop at jedec

[cursive summit]

I have not looked up 5800X3D memory support before alright

[ashen spindle]

this is not 5800x3d specific

[astral haven]

thats tied for highest of any ddr4 cpu

[ashen spindle]

no cpu is rated for above jedec spec on the "this will work" spec table

[cursive summit]

I guess if you OC it to 3600 (when 3600 is I think an OC of 3200 anyways) the CPU won't mind

3200MHz is the highest native clock I think

[halcyon willow]

3600 for 5800X3D

[cursive summit]

I'd go with 4GHz

[astral haven]

5800x3d natively supports up to 3200

the target for all ryzen 3000/5000 IODIE for oc is 3800 OC from 3600 xmp

^

[cursive summit]

I don't remember, is EXPO allowed on Ryzen 5000 series?

Think that was a 7000 series feature

[astral haven]

expo is ddr5 only

and anyways amd ddr4 chiplet cpus have less than 10% chance of passing 3800mhz

its ez pz on the monolithic chips

[cursive summit]

Also rather annoying with DDR4 CL14 being still extremely expensive

[astral haven]

well yes?

[cursive summit]

When CL16 is basically similarly performing but twice as cheap

[astral haven]

sorta but no

sure if you happen to be buying flat 16 bdies, you just need to give it an extra 100mv

but if you are getting non bdies, you are gonna have
oh wait
ryzen
fuck
you have no control over rfc/refi

to maximize bdie you need control of both

and amd locks away one of them i forget which

[cursive summit]

Gigabyte B550i

One of 3 options really, other one is an ASUS and ASrock I think

And I'd far rather have the jiggybyte, best I/O, best VRM

And it's also not ASUS which has that shite bloatware flashed into the BIOS

[astral haven]

gigglebios is a meme

[cursive summit]

@prisma crag do you know if with the Terra a low-profile DDR4 kit is a hard requirement?

[astral haven]

asrock is the current least painful vendor

[cursive summit]

Or only with some coolers

Pure rock LP seems like it doesn't "branch out"

So it just sits on the die

[halcyon willow]

Not true

[cursive summit]

So it shouldn't really reach the RAM slots I hope

[halcyon willow]

Just make sure it’s not too tall

[cursive summit]

92 x 92 x 45 (L x W x H), (mm)

Plus maybe I can mount it rotated lol

[crisp granite]

...ugh

please don't put more than 6 cores under that

it'll get pretty bad

[cursive summit]

That's why eco mode and curves were invented

[crisp granite]

yep
still
you can do better

what height do you have to play with?

[cursive summit]

I can NOT do better than that in a Terra

With a 2.7 slot gpu

Advice: was looking for Apple devices

Macbooks are incredibly overpriced

Get a mac mini

How much for the m2 pro macbook?

[crisp granite]

doesn't exactly work for "chilling in bed"

that and the MBP really has killer speakers, trackpad and screen

[astral haven]

great idea, buy a device with soldered on wear components refurbished

[crisp granite]

it is well worth the premium for such a great laptop

[cursive summit]

Apparently Mac mini actually has speakers

The damn cube has speakers

[crisp granite]

not bad at all
base model is 3150, no?

wait...max model?

[cursive summit]

Eh

So damn expensive

Mac mini with m2 pro was 1300

[crisp granite]

...where is that magical 50 dollar bump

I swore they were 3150

did apple bump up the price since I looked at those prices...last year?

[cursive summit]

Oh that's also the good M2 Pro

gets 2 extra perf cores and 3 extra gpu cores

[crisp granite]

ahhhh
the M1 -> M2 got a 50 dollar price bump

OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

yeah that makes sense

[ashen spindle]

but what do they check for when refurbishing, how many months sooner is that going to die

[cursive summit]

Replacing the red water damage stickers lol

[final flame]

that's because they do a case swap for everything

[astral haven]

Visually not virtually

[crisp granite]

so the bits you'll touch will be impeccable

what about the the bits under the hood?

um
the applecare and warranty are fair points

although it is a refurbished device
it was in someone else's hands before

don't expect you got some rich kid's toy that they used thrice before they got bored

[astral haven]

if you thought it was a good idea to buy it, you already would have...

if you were talking about it just to flex, you leave

[cursive summit]

if they need an apple device, they can get an apple device

Went to an ideal yesterday to touch some apples, not grass

Honestly, I kinda like them

It's not windows but it's good enough

SFF is a hard requirement

PC has to be easily portable

Yes the requirement is easily portable

SFF is the only choice lol

[crisp granite]

could just get a macbook instead, my guy

[cursive summit]

No

There's a good reason why not

M2 Pro absolutely sucks at gaming

And the PC is for gaming

[crisp granite]

the AXP-100 copper coolers are still floating around

it's not perfect, but it does plenty more than one might expect

[ashen spindle]

refurb just has the issue that it only has 1 year warranty for a reason and it's not cheap ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[astral haven]

sure but buying a laptop without knowing that the M# computers have soldered on nand that frequently fails and contains the firmware for the laptop is unethical of apple

We are just providing the public service of letting them know of the only barely publicized issues

[crisp granite]

I mean...it works great

for the five actual games that I run on it because most don't support apple's extremely capable platform

🙊

[astral haven]

bears repeating

[cursive summit]

Yeah gaming is the major issue

[final flame]

I really need a new cooler for my pc, my aio pump is starting to die on me, can hear the bubbling every once in a while
but damn I'm poor rn

[cursive summit]

The person actually really liked the mac mini with m2 pro

But then they asked "how are games" and I was like ehh, you ok with playing at 720p on minimum quality?

[crisp granite]

assuming you're playing through porting kit and actively emulating the entire thing through a wineskin, yep

native games, or even a solid chunk of games through D3D Metal can at least manage 1080p 60FPS

[cursive summit]

Yes, native games run great

No debate there

But a lot of the games they play are not

Well, nearly all of them are not lol

And most importantly, Apple DOES NOT SUPPORT EGPU

[crisp granite]

also the end of 32 bit support killed a lot of really fuckin nice mac ports

[cursive summit]

THEY HAVE DAMN THUNDERBOLT 4 BUT NO EGPU

[crisp granite]

can't play games like Rage

[shadow minnow]

I mean I have M1 Pro and it can run games solidly at medium to high full HD

[crisp granite]

or Spec Ops: The Line

two classics, very underrated

and you can't play them on mac
because ports don't...work anymore

[final flame]

yea...
I'm switching to air for good

[cursive summit]

https://youtu.be/uSNsnkh0mFg

Absolutely shit perf lol

1600x1200

[shadow minnow]

Well that’s cyberpunk

[cursive summit]

And guess what they will be playing?

[final flame]

as soon as I get a new job I'm buying a thermalright cooler asap

[cursive summit]

Cyberpunk, Elden Ring, etc

[astral haven]

thats about how well it runs on steam deck lel

[cursive summit]

Oh yeah

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNMIFJkH7Ak&pp=ygURbTIgcHJvIGVsZGVuIHJpbmc%3D

[crisp granite]

I actually am planning on picking one up next time I'm in Rochester

because there is no fucking way I'm paying 120USD between shipping and taxes on an 80 USD cooler

[cursive summit]

1080p barely 30fps

[crisp granite]

no wait...

um

I think I did already

time to check my hoard of PC parts in my closet

[cursive summit]

I genuinely, 100%, would right now buy a macbook or mac mini instead of making this SFF PC

But only if they supported eGPU

And eGPU with apple silicon is not a thing

[crisp granite]

that would be a massive undertaking, my guy

[cursive summit]

Slap a 3070 on Apple M2 and it'd be a BEAST

[astral haven]

apple is a 2 trillion dollar company...

[crisp granite]

Arma 3 runs rather well on macs :)

[cursive summit]

I wonder though if Apple will ever consider eGPU support

[crisp granite]

and such a thing would take a lot of cash, time and effort for a rather small userbase that would take advantage of it

[ashen spindle]

oh yes, enabling the gpu support they had in the past and dropped is really hard

[cursive summit]

Cause having to buy a 4000$-8000$ Macs for bearable gaming performance is rather shite

[astral haven]

apple has enough cash on hand for a literal moon program

[crisp granite]

considering the archecture switch, I doubt that's a possibility

[cursive summit]

That was only on Intel eGPUs though

Which I read they still have on Intel Macs

Apple silicon never supported eGPU

[astral haven]

no but they are in the hundreds of millions of cash on hand

[ashen spindle]

if you allow pcie gpus it's no real extra work, they stopped allowing the amd pro cards and pcie only allows sound cards and stuff like that in the mac studios now

[astral haven]

yes but it supports external pcie devices, including certain video IO devices that dont appear the same as a regular gpu

[ashen spindle]

so if you allow gpus there egpu is like rounding error

[cursive summit]

I wonder how different are those Thunderbolt 4 controllers on Apple

Surely they are the same as on Intel

[astral haven]

obviously not

[cursive summit]

Should not be incredibly hard for them to enable eGPU

But then their "studio" mac line would make no sense

[astral haven]

the studio macs dont support gpus either

[cursive summit]

Would make no sense cause of pricing

[astral haven]

they support video IO cards like from avid and blackmagic

but gpus are blacklisted

[crisp granite]

methinks the studio line doesn't have the space to fit a card, my guy

[astral haven]

they are a 2 trillion dollar company, aka thats the buyout price at market value right now
and they have enough cash on hand for a moon program
both are semantically and factually accurate statements

[cursive summit]

Stop fighting children, it doesn't matter what any of you use

Apple loves money

But they also love creators

I think?

Good platform for editors

Fast compile times also in CPU workloads

[astral haven]

only if they use prores and final cut

[cursive summit]

@dawn epoch Are you choosing Apple just cause of closed source firmware?

Cause for that price a good windows laptop would be better

But yeah if you are just looking for security, obviously apple

[ashen spindle]

if you want compile time wait for the 96C TR

[cursive summit]

Lol aren't those like 3 grand a pop at least?

[crisp granite]

...ugh
I think I still have one of those monsters under my bed

taunting me

[solemn remnant]

it's me

[crisp granite]

yes
and that's not a problem if you absolutely need it for work

[astral haven]

well no not obviously apple lel
windows supports better security than apple its just not easy to do

[steep creek]

Right lol. I won’t be getting another Lenovo that’s for sure, maybe just get a mac

[crisp granite]

no, it's an assus piece of shit plastic floppy boi
720p res (HD fuck yeah)
and an i5 7200u
absolutely blazing fast when it came out

...at least half a decade ago

[cursive summit]

Actually not a bad shout, a lot of companies in some fields choose Apple as their issued devices

[crisp granite]

but it ran metro 2033 at 30 FPS

if you dropped every setting down

[cursive summit]

Good thing if you learn how to use one

I know for sure if they give me an apple device, I'd be fucked

It confuses the hell out of me

[crisp granite]

oh
and a 5400RPM HDD just to add horseshit frosting to the horseshit cake

[crisp granite]

I think I still use that drive for porn

[astral haven]

spend a while using them and you figure out what is and isnt allowed
once youve got an intuition for the stuff thats allowed, it becomes easier

[cursive summit]

How do you pentest something that has no open source code?

[ashen spindle]

uhh not sure if you are serious

[cursive summit]

I have no clue in this field so that was serious

[ashen spindle]

if you could not pentest closed source, closed source could never be breached lol

[fair gull]

darwin is oss

thats how people find bugs

[cursive summit]

Charles darwin?

[fair gull]

https://github.com/apple/darwin-xnu

its apples kernel

[cursive summit]

Why is that open source

[fair gull]

because apple decided to oss it for bug hunting

[astral haven]

apple's oses are BSD based which was foss

[thick elk]

Often audits / pentests of closed source stuff do get access as it makes it easier to find things. But yea you don't need it, you just won't find as many of the issues if it's closed.

[fair gull]

https://opensource.apple.com/releases/

youll be even more surprised

but yeah apple does opensource stuff

[cursive summit]

Huh, I guess even the devil embraces the good, sometimes

If only right to repair was also embraced

[astral haven]

well the reason the linux community says its not open source is theres no guarantee from apple that that is what is running on your device

you just have to trust them that they arent doing anything sketchy between repo and deployment

[cursive summit]

Interrogate him for everything he knows

Tony's an experienced coder

Good luck at work lass

[crisp granite]

have fun with the cardboard

ahhhhh
the joys of retail

[thick elk]

In fact webkit was originally a fork of khtml Apple has worked with open source for a very long time. They never were against it, they are however against open systems.

[astral haven]

and they really like oss so that they can be inspired for their own software
or just outright copy the software like parts of Game porting toolkit

[wheat plume]

Sonoma? Yeah it seems nice

The default cursor is still so out of place looking, so old looking
It contrasts too much with the modern UI design

[empty wren]

https://9to5google.com/2023/08/17/clean-pixel-buds-reminder/

Cool saw this in the morning

[pale sigil]

RIP, the notorious double click from logitech mice has struck me.

[cursive summit]

Be happy

Extra skill you didn't need to train for, ultra double clicks

You can go pro in CS:GO with that already

[pale sigil]

or not? https://mrpl.me/W17691b_rfe8.mp4

[cursive summit]

That's just mad

Isn't that somehow repairable?

Disassemble the mofo

[astral haven]

https://youtu.be/Nlkk3glap_U?t=1h15m13s
Anthropic CEO talking about agis within very few years

[pale sigil]

its repairable

[halcyon willow]

Side button PCB on aliexpress

[pale sigil]

fml its auto mele

in d2

[crisp granite]

rebind

[cursive summit]

Unbind

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/nvidia-makes-1000-profit-on-h100-gpus-report

[ashen spindle]

this just in, BoM of hardware is low compared to the end price

[thick elk]

Wrong channel, this is so dogshit, it should be a meme

[cursive summit]

MLID always makes his way into the cooler things https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-navi-4x-concept-renders-demonstrate-the-complexity-of-the-high-end-rdna4-gpu-design

Honestly, would look very slick

Now

Wasn't the talk that RDNA4 will not have high-end GPUs?

[astral haven]

isnt this the cancelled gpu?

[thick elk]

Both can still be true, if amd was being very ambitious on that depart and it does not pan out yet.

[astral haven]

"Neither source has had access to the complete diagram or GPU, rendering these visuals purely conceptual and based on tidbits from various unverified sources."

and said unverified sources is MLID

[cursive summit]

"MLID always makes his way into the cooler things" "Honestly, would look very slick"

[thick elk]

I also don't know how well sourced the rumors are, both of the cancelation and of this.

[cursive summit]

Yes, carmonben, we can read

Looks expensive to manufacture though

[astral haven]

hmm i wonder if thats why they cancelled it 🤔

[ashen spindle]

no the "source" is not mlid

its a patent from 2022 or so

but somehow that gets accredited to mlid here

[astral haven]

thats the origin of the information

but the source that converted it from a patent into speculation about future products is mlid

[ashen spindle]

well, it was talked about before by twitter leakers and they also said its accurate

[thick elk]

A patent really does not tell you any more than they were working on the idea in a lab and decided it was important enough to patent.

[ashen spindle]

so this is mlid being on the mark just after others have posted it in less open places

[astral haven]

so keep following sources back to the info

i suppose a better word would be "citation"

but that implies some amount of repute

[ashen spindle]

yes its from people with pretty decent track record for zen/rdna

[astral haven]

fkn microsoft

nyways yea its still the rumored cancelled device

[mild dome]

From what I hear AI demand coupled with enterprise margins being way higher means that for AMD and Nvidia it makes more sense to use the new nodes for enterprise AI silicon. This is likely why we saw GPU prices rise so much, ut gets hard for gpu makers to justify selling consumer gpus at a thinner margin when AI pays better

[astral haven]

substitute amd and nvidia for just nvidia but yea

what happened is nvidia abandoned all their non ai customers, and amd picked up the slack that is big in science

[ashen spindle]

current gen sure, mi300/400 is attempting to do what zen did to intel

but they also dont block all the nodes for AI silicon thats just wrong

h100 is substrate limited not wafer limited

[astral haven]

are there any rumors for mi300whatever flops

amd claims 8x mi250x which is 400tflops
that would be 3.2tflops
an h100 is already 4tflops

and the h100 is already over a year old

[ashen spindle]

think that was for mi300A and not mi300X which would have an extra cdna tile

[astral haven]

https://images.anandtech.com/doci/18721/MI300_Perf.jpg

doesnt say :/

[ashen spindle]

thats from january where mi300 was not annoucned to have different configs yet iirc

so at that point they only showed mi300A

ah right, I forgot the most important part lol

large amounts of unified memory

[astral haven]

1.5tb< 4.8tb

[mild dome]

The story goes AMD realized cancelling the flagship would mean they could devote more resources for the more lucrative enterprise market, not that the flagship would be unprofitable but that it wasn't profitable enough to justify its existence over enterprise units

[ashen spindle]

one h100 has 94gb max, mi300x has 192gb

[astral haven]

nvidia advertises 144tb of unified memory per superchip in a cluster

[ashen spindle]

no this is false

[mild dome]

How so?

[ashen spindle]

it is to not delay rdna5 or other later products and get rdna4 to market without delays, its not diverting manpower to the cdna solutions

[astral haven]

h200 is 141gb???
how on earth does 141gb come to exist

block diagram showing its actually just 1 gpu

[ashen spindle]

its the 2024 refresh with HBM3e iirc

[astral haven]

but 141gb how?

144 i understand

141?

[ashen spindle]

maybe 3e has some stuff that limits it or for yields idk

[astral haven]

"Fourth generation NVIDIA NVLink enables GPU threads to address up to 144TB of
memory provided by all superchips in the NVLink network using normal memory
operations, atomics, and bulk transfers. Communication libraries like MPI, NCCL, or
NVSHMEM transparently leverage the NVLink Switch System when available.
NVIDIA NVLink Switch System connects each Grace Hopper Superchip to the network at
900GB/s total bandwidth. That is, a Grace Hopper Superchip pair exchanges data at up
to 900GB/s. With up to 256 Grace Hopper Superchips, the network delivers up to
115.2TB/s all-to-all bandwidth. This is 9x the all-to-all bandwidth of InfiniBand NDR400,
and 4.5x the all-reduce throughput."

https://resources.nvidia.com/en-us-grace-cpu/nvidia-grace-hopper

actual insanity

144tb of unified memory at 900GB/s
not 900gbps
900GB/s

and this is without using infiniband

[mild dome]

GH200 Grace Hopper superchip that utilizes 141 GB (144 GB physical)

So is the additional 3GB used for something else or inaccessible?

[ashen spindle]

inaccessible

[astral haven]

its definetly inaccessible, but it could be used for something internally we just wont know what and wouldnt get any advantage from it

[ashen spindle]

likely just yields but could be something else sure

[astral haven]

could also be inverse 970 dealios

[ashen spindle]

lmfao

[astral haven]

the last 3gb would have been slower so they disabled

[ashen spindle]

dont think you can have mixed configured in one hbm stack lol

[astral haven]

could be their imc bursts into flames when you allocate 144gb of memory, and the minimum they could cut off was 512mb and they had to cut it off all the stacks?

[ashen spindle]

¯_(ツ)_/¯ couldnt find specifics only places saying its for yield though no concrete source

[astral haven]

yay

well if we survive this ai boom, ill buy an h200 superchip and see if i can find out myself

[ashen spindle]

I mean we are like 6 months away I'm sure by then someone will have something concrete xD

[astral haven]

maybe

[frail portal]

each die is 3 GB so could just be yields

[astral haven]

not quite

6 stacks of 12 = 2GB/die

[ashen spindle]

so it would be 3gb per dram IC so that would just be one they turn off then

https://www.anandtech.com/show/18981/micron-unveils-hbm3-gen2-12-tbs-per-stack-at-92-gts-speed

[frail portal]

yeah they apparently will have 8Hi and 12Hi versions

these are 8Hi afaict

[ashen spindle]

yeah thats from july with the first info so the 36gb on gh200 would just use 12hi again

so basically memory capactiy/BW and uniform acces vs (maybe) faster chips

even if they dont win pure spec per gpu slot in anything that's still a valid choice then so better than cdna1/2 as alternative

the difference here is simply that nvidia is not doing an intel so it's not a straight win in server space lol

[astral haven]

what

[raw zephyr]

their website is so scuffed

might as well just buy any other phone and install graphene or something on it

don't believe it

[sharp badger]

It's nice and all that but use WhatsApp too much for communicating & I guess that there's no support for it? 😅

[raw zephyr]

you can just install any app

you can buy pixel 7 for the same price and just install graphene os on it and you will get much better specs

mate

there is no way they manufacture it themselves

the whole thing "Made in X" is very misleading

"Volla works with regional suppliers" while MediaTek is based in Taiwan

[old marlin]

does gigaset make them still

mediatek might produce in germany

?

I mean I know gigaset is still around

I just don't know if they made a smarphone recently

[old marlin]

we have a few fabs around

doubt they do that

but possible ig?

oof those bezels

the gigaset gx6 is slightly better lol

as an "outdoor" device

they have easily accessible batteries at least

doubt gigaset will still make smartphones by then

[deft marlin]

Reminds me of those paper-textured screen covers marketed as protectors

If anything I take it the manufacturers already maimed it’s outer layer, should it actually be shatterproof

to me it’s like sticky iPad baking paper

[deft marlin]

I didn’t really pay attention to any macro shots if any

[severe phoenix]

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0C1RL3Q6P?smid=A3JQTUKT45JJLC&tag=espresso004b-20

75HYIOQW

41$ off. Try you luck at Chinese lotto

Will it explode in your hand, or on your night stand? 14$ not bad a for an ari duster though. 😛

Yeah

I got one of those too,

10ish years old

Great thing for sure

But 14$? Someone here might want one on the cheap.

Also it's wireless, so that could help some folk I dunno

Yep

[magic rampart]

Just use a leaf blower

If we're talking about PC cases

Why not keyboards as well though actually

[severe phoenix]

lol

[magic rampart]

Take PC outside and leaf blower it

That's what I do

[hardy prawn]

Don't know if this is the right place to ask but here goes: Will these keycaps fit the wooting two he? https://www.amazon.co.uk/SteelSeries-PrismCaps-Pudding-style-Thermoplastic-Compatible/dp/B095X5G4S4/ref=sr_1_2?crid=1QECN4NQWTG8V&keywords=steelseries%2Bkeycaps&qid=1692353681&sprefix=steelseries%2Bkeyca%2Caps%2C75&sr=8-2&th=1

[reef patrol]

Noes.

[reef patrol]

Yes...but. It appears to be missing the four media keys above numpad.

A lot of sets don't include these, so be aware that you won't have a full replacement

[hardy prawn]

Couldn't I just use the regular wooting media keys?

thank you for the reply

[reef patrol]

That is definitely an option to mix and match.

[hardy prawn]

do you guys have any keycap recommendations I can get from the uk? I'm not a big keyboard modder at all, but I'm playing with the idea of giving my new board a little flavour :p

[reef patrol]

I've had pretty good experiences with Corsair's PBT pro keycap sets

They are very similar to our own PBT sets, except with slightly different letter design.

But Razer, SteelSeries and Ducky are all mainstream gaming brands that would work.

[hardy prawn]

That is useful to know. Looking forward to getting my board and playing around with it.

[quiet tapir]

Helo guys! What metal back cases that are not 100$ could you recomend? Tofu are now not compattible right??

[mild dome]

Get w00d, it sounds better

[quiet tapir]

any brand name that is accessible in Europe??

[mild dome]

Lemme look

[quiet tapir]

Thank you very much!

[mild dome]

Apparently Tofu works with modifications

https://wooting-technologies.notion.site/Tofu-60-Wood-164782dfb40f4f4cbf261fc75446efd5

Need to sand it

[reef patrol]

Tofu and Tofu redux are compatible. Tofu 2.0 is not.

[quiet tapir]

Did Tofu change back the Type C hole

[quiet tapir]

OK! I was not awere about this! thank you!

[solemn remnant]

in tofu redux they specifically made a change to fit the 60he better, the port hole now slides

[quiet tapir]

Good

[solemn remnant]

also, if you're willing to wait till next tuesday, wooting will announce their own aluminium case for 60he

no idea about the price, could be less than 100, could be more

[quiet tapir]

really? That is great. I was asking myself if and when they do it!

[solemn remnant]

right around the corner

[quiet tapir]

I still need to wait 2-3 week to my keyboard delivery, so maybe i will order the case also! You helped me a lot guys. Thank you very much. Really nice to see a comunitty of good intentional ppl! That's why I bought the keybord in first place, because the transparence of the devs. Nice job Wooting

[cursive summit]

https://youtu.be/llx99Ia7mRg

[quiet tapir]

What wireless mice would you recomend? I doubt between Logitech G-pro or Vaxee NPO1! What's your thoutghs? I have a moral dilema for about a few monthes now, need help

[ashen spindle]

Germany is easy just use the price history of geizhals.eu

[cursive summit]

Budget?

Something really cheap like a basilisk wireless or g305 are good

[quiet tapir]

they are prettty tthe same price

130

[cursive summit]

How much is deathadder v3 pro?

DV3 is frequently called the best gaming mouse in the market rn

If you don't like Razer or Logi software and want something less bloated

There's Model O Wireless for like 90$ or so

[quiet tapir]

Don't like the shape of death ader! coming from zowie mice, so maybe it's better the Vaxee cause it's one of the employees of Zowie

[cursive summit]

Model O 2 wireless is a lot more expensive than Model O Wireless but it seems pretty good

And software is a clear ripoff of wootility lol

[quiet tapir]

ajaajjaajaj

[cursive summit]

Which for better or for worse

Makes it the best software in mouse market

Yeah I don't get it either ngl

I just buy whatever seems like it's good and use it until it breaks lol

My Viper is already like 3 years old, lasts like a champ

Basilisk broke in 6 months though, that was sad

[quiet tapir]

same here. But wanna go wireless as I need more space in my desk!

[cursive summit]

Viper is a wireless/wired

Both

I play games somewhat competitively and the viper is better than I will ever need

But that's just me, really comfortable mouse

[quiet tapir]

Thank you very much for your help. I will look at your advise.

[cursive summit]

Mine's viper ultimate btw

And I don't even have razer software installed either

Fuck that trash

[quiet tapir]

dont like softwave either. thats why probably vaxee or zowie are better

[cursive summit]

Or Glorious

[quiet tapir]

you have full acces in the mice itself

[cursive summit]

Did you look at model O 2 Wireless?

[quiet tapir]

it's pretty nice but look at this holes, not a fan of that!

[cursive summit]

Yeah not everyone are

As a long term user of viper ultimate with a weird claw/palm hybrid grip

I give a recommendation on it

[quiet tapir]

Thank you Bro. You give me a couple new ideas.

[tardy kraken]

would you recommend the viper ultimate over the g pro super light?

gotcha

[cursive summit]

I have no clue

I never held a g pro in my life

Nor do I feel the need to when this mouse is extremely comfortable and precise

I don't see the need to "upgrade", it's a marketing sham made for you to feel bad about what you have and gauge money from you, increasing ewaste

Most 60$+ mouses are more likely than not good enough

Just get whatever is cheap, has a deal, and has a good shape that you like

[cursive summit]

https://www.theregister.com/2023/08/18/youtube_advertising_kids/

[cursive summit]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hAy5V91Hr4

Round 2: LTT vs GN - who will set up the better lab this time

[ashen spindle]

Literally not round 2

[cursive summit]

Yeah yeah

Just the timing was funny

[ashen spindle]

No need to pretend more drama when there isn’t one

[cursive summit]

GN is talking about benchmarking improvements and LTT is improving their own processes

A tiny bit funny

[gusty kiln]

https://preview.redd.it/2hcfrdfzbuib1.png?width=960&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=c398305f0d642e39fe8ef22eb0681365edd8b8b8

damn the arya organics are quite bright

[cursive summit]

Rather concerning bump in low end

[gusty kiln]

almost the same exact peaks on my old 400i

[cursive summit]

It's $1,299 though, who cares

Ananda Nano is more interesting

[gusty kiln]

kek well I'm in the market for aorund a kilo-buck headphone

[cursive summit]

Get a kilo-buck-killer then

[gusty kiln]

if only I could go to china really quick

https://www.reddit.com/r/headphones/comments/ymzi3g/nan7_first_measurement/

[gusty kiln]

@final flame

[final flame]

bruh, that's the subbass region and it's 3db at most
I'd be far more concerned about sibilance in the highs

you'll hear the drop at 200hz far more easily than the bump at 70

[final flame]

looks alright
once again try to find a way you can listen to it with a way you can return it if you don't like that top end

[cursive summit]

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/08/report-potential-nyt-lawsuit-could-force-openai-to-wipe-chatgpt-and-start-over/?comments=1&comments-page=1

[final flame]

that top end is beyer material and I'm not too sure if you'd like that

considering that's well in listenable frequencies

[gusty kiln]

I sold my old 400i because of similar peaks

[reef patrol]

[ashen spindle]

2 guys one bios lock

[fair gull]

bios lock is ez pz to clear

clear cmos is all thats needed

[reef patrol]

Unless password chip

[fair gull]

never seen that on a mobo

[mild dome]

Use copyrighted material to create AI
release AI capable of spouting off copyrighted material to the market

Not sure what OpenAI expected

Also I know someone is going to say "Oh but it's just reading articles and writing its own version, we do this all the time!" but I think the concern many publications have is that ChatGPT almost never references back to the original sources.
I mean imagine going to a Warzone, writing up a detailed article on said warzone, possibly having your life at risk, and then everyone uses ChatGPT to read your article instead, netting you no income. Google already got in trouble something adjacent to this in a few countries, wherin news publications realized that Google pulling quotes out to show in the google image results to the user before they visited the site meant that their articles dropped in readership as Google was diverting people to its own system and taking the lion's share of ad revenue

[cursive summit]

What way is there to prove whose content was used to train AI

What if two pieces of content are so similar that AI got inspired by one of them to create something resembling the other?

Which one is now being infringed as "OpenAI used my image to train their model"

Seriously, this is a weird ass grey area that I have no clue how to circumvent

In general I am positive towards a web crawler leeching off everything it can find to train a model

Cause why not

But a human opening a preview of such art to admire and take in aspiration is not considered as stealing?

How is this any different, in reality, from a human learning

You could argue that the difference is that OpenAI uses the model to generate profits

But so do humans, they steal other's ideas for profits

AI doesn't really plagiarise

It changes things enough to be unique

[ashen spindle]

llms literally work on predicting what letter comes next based on what it knows from the dataset

idk how much closer you can go without 1:1 copying it

[mild dome]

A company that suspects its content has been used to train an AI would go to court, they might present some finding like the AI being able to closely recreate their work given the right prompt. From there the court can order OpenAI to present documents showing whether or not AI stole their content for training
Yes OpenAI could LIE on court documents, but companies are aware this can make the situation WAY worse then being found liable for copyright.

One law that might be necessary for AI, is to force AI creators to make public ALL training data

Also my point still stands. AI creates a situation where many independant news sources will have its readership stripped away as the AI takes their content to present to the user. Google has been sued already in multiple countries for doing the same thing, and in those countries now must pay the publications it sources its google results information from. AI might need to do something similar. Otherwise independent news sources might be driven out of existence, endangering our way of informing ourselves

ChatGPT as far as I have learned will usually not cite its sources of information (or if you ask it too, it will generate fake links that go nowhere). So if it sources live information for people then those publication will be getting Zilch

Not an ethical consideration but one weird thing about a world of AI is going to be to produce an ouroboros of AI referencing articles made by AI. Considering AI tends to "hallucinate" this could mean articles being generated that get increasingly innacurate, until its just spouting straight garbled misinformation. AI training program ironically might need to find ways to filter AI data it scraped from the internet whilst at the same time trying to make their AI generate human like and not obviously machine generated results.

How did he get that?

[astral haven]

Chatgpt doesn't use sources, all of the data was learned or made up, and if you give it Internet access it only looks at what you tell it to
Bing chat and bard cite their sources

Running llms also needs giga ram capacity with these modern doods

Gpt-4 is over 1.7TB

Llama starts at 7gb and goes up to 70gb

Probably not an llm
llama are trained on terabytes of text data

[ashen spindle]

aaaan I lost tweetdeck access, now twitter is unusable to me, rip

[crimson wigeon]

You're not gonna pay the blood money?

[ashen spindle]

no I'll keep one tab open for dms and such but now I gotta find other ways to keep my newsfeed going

[cursive summit]

Intel core 🤢

[astral haven]

We will finally have tools to see driver optimizations directly, and it's thanks to Intel

Scrappy underdog Intel is very nice to see after resting on their laurels for 20 years

[mild dome]

I mean the learned data had to come from a source, and the above lawsuit I suppose alleges the sources were used without permission in creating the product

[astral haven]

sure
but i couldnt tell you where i learned that the gtx480 has 480 cuda cores

i can tell you where to find that information now, but it wouldnt be my source

if you want sources, use bing chat or bard

[ashen spindle]

[thick elk]

Let's be fair if it happened to the swiss it can happen to anyone, luckily noone else operates railway tunnels this long.

[thick elk]

Predicted outcome of the class action: purchasers get 25% of their money back as long as they step up and show proof of purchase (noone does and everyone forgets) and the lawyers get their legal fees compensated without fuss.

[cursive summit]

Ah shit I can't block the asshole now

And stop getting him constantly recommended

[gusty kiln]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLGi8sPLkLY

WD been shitting the bed recently

[thick elk]

yet the HDD and SDD business are almost completely separate

[wheat plume]

https://youtu.be/VSiVoQ6E13Y

😍💜

[empty wren]

Looking hella cartoonish

[vagrant pagoda]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sF9xYtouZjY

[pale sigil]

Something really funky is going on, my NAS and Desktop were capping out at 100mb on my Network Switch

But i just replugged my NAS and its faster.

just re plugged my Desktop and the same result....

fixed it

is it possible its the wires or the switch itself?

[astral haven]

anything is possible

switch issues are rare tho, i would more often suspect something non physical going on

[pale sigil]

hmm

[astral haven]

like devices thinking they need to send the data through the router?

[pale sigil]

rn its modem > router > switch > Desktop/NAS

[astral haven]

is the switch managed? does it have an ip address?

[pale sigil]

just a normal netgear switch

nothing special

[astral haven]

We have 3 different Netgear "basic" switches deployed at work and all 3 have different issues

[pale sigil]

this is the first time in years

Managed is way to expensive

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00A121WN6/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

[astral haven]

Might have to try swapping ports around and see if the issue comes bwck

[pale sigil]

Thats my current

i got it on offer

anyway i replaced the cable for my nas

hmm mits low on my NAS

desktop

changed the wire

Less than my PC but id imagine its down to different factors mostly being its well

a potato nas at this point xD

really wish i had 2.5G nas

Sadly even if i had a 2.5gb NAS i would not be able to via a switch.... to expensive

[vagrant pagoda]

2.5g swtichs are cheap these days

[pale sigil]

Not in the UK

cheapest i can find is £79.99

aye but the benefit isn't justified

for the price

atm

[vagrant pagoda]

10g is better for same or less

[pale sigil]

that too

same day ftw

[vagrant pagoda]

that seems like a ton for a 10 footer

[pale sigil]

5.59?

[vagrant pagoda]

yeah

[pale sigil]

i mean theres cheaper

£2.99

[vagrant pagoda]

you can get like 10 for 15 bucks us

[pale sigil]

Thats more?

or you mean 10x 3m cables

[vagrant pagoda]

thats 10 cables

10 feet long

for 15 usd

[pale sigil]

where lol

[vagrant pagoda]

amazon us

[pale sigil]

link?

https://www.amazon.co.uk/1aTTack-Ethernet-Gigabit-1000Mbit-compatible/dp/B007AT54VO/ref=sr_1_4?crid=2PWSQI2K05C51&keywords=3m+ethernet+bulk&qid=1692413351&s=electronics&sprefix=3m+ethernet+bulk%2Celectronics%2C49&sr=1-4

oh

5x

[upper shoal]

sorry this probably gets asked a lot; I see on the website it says the 60HE has a <1ms response time while the TWOHE has a <2ms response time.
Is it the case that the TWOHE is unable to get <1ms response times? If not, why does the website display <2ms?

[pale sigil]

tbf

i can find one for 3.09

im sorting by prime

[vagrant pagoda]

better firmware when the 60he came out than the two

[vagrant pagoda]

also the two he says 1ms on my side

[pale sigil]

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Assmann-Electronic-dk-1617-030-CAT6-Network-Network/dp/B01NCP1XTO/ref=sr_1_1?crid=2TDZU3HED13CN&keywords=3m%2Bcat%2B6%2Bethernet%2Bcable&qid=1692413509&refinements=p_85%3A20930949031&rnid=20930948031&rps=1&sprefix=3m%2Bcat%2B6%2Bethernet%2Bcable%2Caps%2C63&sr=8-1&th=1

oh lol

1.50

[vagrant pagoda]

https://wooting.io/wooting-two-he "The two HE will update every analog key position in less than 1ms, every 1ms*."

[upper shoal]

ah i see; heres where i got thrown off

[vagrant pagoda]

yeah thats because its moire keys

[pale sigil]

i just want a black ethernet

[upper shoal]

damn i usually cant go without arrow keys and numpad but if theres a performance cost with it; might just be better to go with 60he

[vagrant pagoda]

you will LITERALY never notice the ~.4ms difference

the arm two he is ~1.4ms

[upper shoal]

LMAO

[vagrant pagoda]

think of how long it takes to move a key down

even with rapid trigger

you can just use tacheon mode

which makes the two he under 1ms

[pale sigil]

tachyon

[vagrant pagoda]

focus mode?

[pale sigil]

painful delivery times

The newer models are the same

[upper shoal]

oh shieesh that sounds super useful

[vagrant pagoda]

is that only on arm?

i dont have the option

nope

let me see if i got updates

yeah update did it

[pale sigil]

tbh id like to make my own ethernet

[upper shoal]

yo thats awesome

[vagrant pagoda]

dosent even matter

[upper shoal]

thanks for the info ❤️

[vagrant pagoda]

its just adertsing numbers

[upper shoal]

for sure getting the twohe now

[vagrant pagoda]

you literally cant notice .4ms

[upper shoal]

as long as you can get the tools is actually super easy but if its just for 1 wire i wouldnt bother

[pale sigil]

ye i know its easy.

But i like the idea of having exact sizes

i used to make them in work for our server racks and patch panels etc

[upper shoal]

i see you can only choose from preselected zones; has a preset for only the 60% zone of the keyboard been discussed or is it beyond technical scope? (placing order for twohe right now just curious)

[upper shoal]

Big thank you for the help everyone, I wouldn't have been able to make a decision without you

(also is there a secret discount code I can find here or am I coping)

[vagrant pagoda]

DISCORD DISCOUNT

[upper shoal]

Is it just the word discord lol

[vagrant pagoda]

DISCORD DISCOUNT

[upper shoal]

It's for shopping style points

[vagrant pagoda]

i know XD

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NewgYp0W9g

[pale sigil]

👀

You don't know about the bro code I see

[hasty thunder]

Wasn't there a tech company selling their stuff with discount codes like "getonmylevel" and "boomheadshot"?

you can figure out yourself why they didn't stay for long

[pale sigil]

No idea but during my days doing mod/support we had a "bro code" for well our bros

For wooting stuff

[hasty thunder]

wonder if there are any female employees by now

[pale sigil]

A few

[hasty thunder]

[crisp granite]

Jessica does CS, no?

[pale sigil]

Safe to say a majority of the staff aren't on discord

[crisp granite]

or is that just Anders' alter ego?

[hasty thunder]

would be kinda weird if everyone of the staff's on Discord

[pale sigil]

Not really

Used to be that way :p

[severe phoenix]

It's not safe on the internet for female employees. I mean I guess not in real life either.

[pale sigil]

It's nothing to do with that

[hasty thunder]

uh.... what?

[pale sigil]

I meant staff in general

[hasty thunder]

[severe phoenix]

lol

[pale sigil]

Only a few were genuinely employed via discord or are just lurkers

[hasty thunder]

requesting the permission to punch @severe phoenix right in the feels for passive aggressive sexism

[pale sigil]

Is it sexism?

[crisp granite]

...a little clearly goes a long way with you

[hasty thunder]

i mean we women are the whole reason why the internet is mostly nsfw nowadays

so yeah, it is

[pale sigil]

We've had to deal with inappropriate behavior and harassment in here nvm everywhere.

There's insane freaks out there, on all sides.... But mostly guys with small PP

[hasty thunder]

you'd be surprised how sexist the entire IT industry can be

[pale sigil]

I'm not surprised.

[crisp granite]

you'd be surprised at how much bycatch you catch when you cast a net so wide

[pale sigil]

And I've seen it first hand.

It's depressing

[hasty thunder]

had a potential customer who didn't believe me that i was the CEO and refused to discuss any business with me till one of our chairmen told him that i was the CEO indeed

needless to say that we didn't come to any agreement

[pale sigil]

I would have said piss off xd

[halcyon willow]

Fuckwit

[hasty thunder]

i can basically choose my customers nowadays and i'm not afraid to terminate the contract in case the customer's not respectful

in germany we say: Wer ficken will, muss freundlich sein

[pale sigil]

If I ever run a company that takes on contract clients I wouldn't tolerate it.

Terminate on the spot or not take them at all.

https://tenor.com/view/time-to-show-you-some-tegridy-randy-marsh-south-park-tegridy-farms-its-time-for-some-tegridy-gif-19488214

[crisp granite]

or price them into the sky and make a mint if they're that desperate and willing to rein it in

that's what I'd do tbh

[pale sigil]

You wouldn't let cancer into your life

[crisp granite]

tis a shame
she's already got me

I am the cancer and there is no clean way to remove me

[pale sigil]

Better being the cancer than having it

Tbf

[hasty thunder]

Everyone has their own ways to deal with toxic and disrespectful customers. I.e. there's a blacklist for people in the industry you shouldn't deal with.

if we have the suspicion that a customer of ours tries to rip us off, be disrespectful or toxic we don't only abort all works done, we also terminate the contract and in some cases at that business/company/person to the list

idk if it's just a germany wide list, but i'd assume it isn't since there are people like Jules from Framechasers on it

[cursive summit]

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/dollar95-amd-cpu-becomes-16gb-gpu-to-run-ai-software

[ashen spindle]

What a fucking clickbait

[thick elk]

I still remember the times tomshardware was good, that is a long time ago now.

[fickle ore]

have you become interest in stock graphs yet

https://game.intel.com/story/intel-presentmon/
testing this rn

gpubusy is cool

https://www.techpowerup.com/312564/intel-graphics-announces-directx-11-performance-uplifts-and-frame-time-reductions

^related article to the PresentMon & gpubusy
and related vid:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=5hAy5V91Hr4

[severe phoenix]

Intels fork breaks flip

[ashen spindle]

I can already see more with nsight or gpu view

This is just more readable and the first step for more info after they update it

[fickle ore]

well, I'm not sure. Is gpubusy time new addon?

@ashen spindle With 50% render scale, my gpu util. goes from 100 % to 50 % AND gpu busy time gets halved from 3.8 ms to 1.7 ms

[ashen spindle]

I mean gpu busy is a nicer way because it’s fucking pain to get that in a readable way on nsight and similar

[fickle ore]

Funny that with lowest settings possible my ow is 99.9 % gpu util on native render scale

[ashen spindle]

It’s like frametime when that started, data already exist just not in a digestible way really

[fickle ore]

yea ofc

[ashen spindle]

So I’m happy for this and think next updates will do a lot

[fickle ore]

just installed it basically for the new "gpu busy" thing

just wanted to check whether "reduced buffering" had any difference to gpu busy, since it's less parallelization in the frame pipe

but no doesnt seem to have

yea injecting is bad for esports

[heavy igloo]

E

[hasty thunder]

@cursive summit Why so hostile suddenly?

[cursive summit]

Not hostile

[hasty thunder]

[cursive summit]

Tech stays in tech, game in game

[hasty thunder]

@prisma crag anyways, even if it's not 1000%, the price tag of their H100's is definitely overpriced, even for tech companies

[ashen spindle]

The issue with the h100 pricing is that is just bill of materials vs sales prices

[hasty thunder]

even Apple seems generous compared to NV with their $1k monitor stand

[ashen spindle]

Doesn’t include resaearch, software for it etc.

A monitor stand doesn’t need thousand of people to get it working after years of development

[hasty thunder]

well, yeah, i get that you pay for the service and RnD as well, but an estimated profit margin of 1000%? Thanks, but no thanks

[ashen spindle]

I mean, how many do they need to sell before they make any net profit if you include all of that though

dont get me wrong they are doing well and I know that

but it's still not free products that are cheap to develop

[hasty thunder]

given that RnD and service are running costs i could imagine they'd have to sell around 500k till they finally see any profit

if not 1m

[ashen spindle]

now how many do they ship this year

[hasty thunder]

550k according to the reports

we can only calculate a rough number of units shipped when we get some official income numbers

[ashen spindle]

so we have 2 years before they actually profit if we take that 1m guess

seems like that "1000%" isn't that insane after all anymore

[cursive summit]

Especially when AMD will be heavily digging into Nvidia's profits with Mi300

Which for whatever reason from what I have been reading is actually superior to Nvidia's tech in almost every way

[ashen spindle]

that doesnt really matter for current pricing

[hasty thunder]

Honestly doubt AMD will damage NV's income at all

[cursive summit]

They are directly competing

And MI300 will be faster than H100

Prolly also cheaper as well

[ashen spindle]

nvidia is substrate limited for the h100 so they already cant sell as many as they wnat to so amd taking some spots isn't even directly eating their profit

[cursive summit]

I did a bunch of reading on those AMD accelerators and my surprise was that, AMD is actually ahead in terms of performance

Which was rather weird considering the situation with GPUs

[ashen spindle]

ehh you gotta be careful about that conclusion

raw tflop performance isnt the all

[thick elk]

However if amd were to vanish from existance it would increase demand on Nvidia which would allow them to drive up prices

[hasty thunder]

faster doesn't mean it's performing better. A.e. 12900k vs 5800X3D

[thick elk]

so they have some effect

[ashen spindle]

memory capacity, bandwidth, software stack etc. all matters too

[thick elk]

Not saying it doesn't matter but the market AMD adresses now could be addressed by Nvidia

so it at least has some marginal effect on demand

[ashen spindle]

but ironically those things make mi300 so much better than the previous instinct cards