sounds like its not raid10
#🔌│tech
fair gull
astral haven
https://www.chargerlab.com/iqoo-10-pro-200w-flash-charge-0-100/
this I believe is SOTA
cursive summit
iQOO sounds literally exactly like that weird e-cig company
ANOTHER ONE?
Did they even launch the electrostats yet?
Void was mediocre from what peeps said, Venus was supposedly alright but overpriced
MoonZero I don't think even launched
They are making another one
vagrant pagoda
https://www.chargerlab.com/iqoo-10-pro-200w-flash-charge-0-100/
this I believe i...
That poor battery
astral haven
iQOO sounds literally exactly like that weird e-cig company
🤷 they make a phone that can go from 5-100% in 15 minutes
cursive summit
🤷 they make a phone that can go from 5-100% in 15 minutes
Tbf like mentioned above Xiaomi made a phone that goes 0-100 in 9:55
vagrant pagoda
Also 200w is way over spec for usbc
astral haven
Also 200w is way over spec for usbc
240w is the max spec
cursive summit
240w is the max spec
Seems only with USB 3.1 or higher
And has to have specific cables
astral haven
now they are probably pushing the amps a bit rather than going that high voltage, but they are still definetly using stacked divide by 2 circuits
astral haven
And has to have specific cables
yea well obviously gotta have special cables, but theres no 3.1 requirement
vagrant pagoda
240w is the max spec
No way they are using 48v
cursive summit
Considering what I'm reading, USB-PD rev. 2.0 came out alongside USB 3.1 launch
And as far as I'm getting is linked to 3.1 standard
astral haven
No way they are using 48v
48v using 3 stacked divide by 2 circuits is 6v
vagrant pagoda
And as far as I'm getting is linked to 3.1 standard
You can use any data spec with pd
You can have a 1.1 speed port with pd
Or even pd only
astral haven
kinda alot but still highly doable
vagrant pagoda
48v on a phone PCB would be a nightmare
vagrant pagoda
Yeah I doubt the substrate is even rated for it
vagrant pagoda
Carmoben is this what your setup looks like?
vagrant pagoda
Testing windows USB stack i think
vagrant pagoda
Yeah but no mining frame full of USB 3 cards XD
astral haven
correct
my mining frame was full of xeon Phis for a while but now only has a single 100g card
cursive summit
Why is this type of thing even a thing nowadays
All of the cars I've ever been in had at best a radio and CD players in the "entertainment" portion of the front car
Really having a hard time to fathom why would you need all that
Then again, I don't drive /shrug
Cars with a what
analog sinew
i mean car master keys can be bought online too
or unlocking tools
really, if you want to steal a car it's easy
but wtf do you do with a stolen vehicle thats the issue
so what
you can buy this for 50 and jsut steal the thing the analog way
🤷♂️
hmm I guess
I agree with you its not good
I mainly though about theft there its irrelevant
Leg gang rise up
crisp granite
…
haha vespa gang
no, but I think it’s some kind of signal to others that you swing that way
ashen spindle
https://twitter.com/tomwarren/status/1689689962768183316 guess this is how they make sure vexx buys it 
cursive summit
https://twitter.com/tomwarren/status/1689689962768183316 guess this is how they ...
I would actually like that for a giveaway
You know
And sadly I don't have the cash to spend on 7800X3D's or XTX's
Wait so, the X3D's "Starfield" edition is just... a barely fancy box
analog sinew
I would actually like that for a giveaway
it says giveaway right there
cursive summit
That's quite the brand deal
cursive summit
it says giveaway right there
No
analog sinew
cursive summit
You didn't just... read the same thing I read
analog sinew
Hm?
cursive summit
AMD does have a habit for creating things for giveaways and not selling them so Quin, you can't buy em anyways
That CPU box though doesn't need to exist
Card looks sick though
Still have to pay up but.. seems easier than having to resell your thing second hand
raw zephyr
@fair gull nothing changed, but now the results are as expected
astral haven
Testing windows USB stack i think
yee video just released, they started out testing with amd, and am5 allowed them to add over 300 endpoints, it never had an official error, and devices started randomly dropping out
their intel systems stopped perfectly at the 127 mark lol
cursive summit
they couldnt even give it a white cooler
Ain't that just cause they are starting to not include the coolers in general anymore
ashen spindle
they couldnt even give it a white cooler
it already doesnt have a cooler
vagrant pagoda
they could have given it one
analog sinew
or at least change the engraving on the IHS or something
sharp badger
I noticed something on the Focal Bathys while reading some reviews and that is that they need to be charged to work with the Cable... 😅
wheat plume
Android 14 Beta 5 is here now
"Fixed an issue where navigating back to exit an app leads to users no longer being able to open the app"
Lol wtf
sharp badger
https://www.soundguys.com/focal-bathys-review-90686/ ''If you’d like to listen over a regular-old 3.5mm cable, just be aware that the Focal Bathys always needs battery power to function— it won’t work passively, so if your battery dies, you’re stuck.''
cursive summit
Android 14 Beta 5 is here now
Why do you care though
I don't at all understand the Android and iOS update hype
It will bring nothing meaningful to you, and just slow down your device to compel you into buying a new one
Seriously, phones can already do everything and anything, what more do we need
fair gull
<@130036426912825344> nothing changed, but now the results are as expected
maybe some network driver on either machine being bungled up
sharp badger
You doing good V'? saw that there's some fires
crisp granite
my guy probably just got on a canoe and island hopped
sharp badger
Ok 😅
astral haven
It's pretty incredible that an ai processor from 5 years ago is so obsolete that it now costs $50
Also the entire unit is as small as my phone
Well I requested someone get me one from china for $150
fickle ore
what for
vagrant pagoda
quaint salmon
Is it possible to freely set the A1, A2 and A3 buttons on the wooting two he? For example, a1 and a2 for volume and a3 for mute?
ashen spindle
you can remap any key to anything
ashen spindle
dead or does it still work?
astral haven
supposed to be working pull but i cant check lol
ashen spindle
gp100 is also already 7 not 5 years old, massive difference in current gen haha
ashen spindle
but cool tech still nonetheless
astral haven
god i cannot internalize that
ashen spindle
yeah the 2-3 covid years delayed evertyhing including feeling of time lol
final flame
https://www.soundguys.com/focal-bathys-review-90686/ ''If you’d like to listen o...
The majority of Bluetooth headphones require battery to use the 3.5
severe phoenix
astral haven
because you cant always use the usb?
should
what if you are on the go and need to charge your switch
also what happens when the lithium battery inevitably dies
🤨
well yea and even if they did, rma obviously
final flame
it's almost as if these games were designed to be run on a crt
vagrant pagoda
His TV definitely needs to be serviced or needs a better camera shot
severe phoenix
Retrotink is 1000$
Even half that would be a ripoff
Samsung has had 1440p OLED out for over a year
marsh glade
Why does a console need to be optimized for thickness?
cursive summit
Idk
Prolly it exists just to be with cut back specs for a lower price
Main problem peeps have with playstation products is, after all, price of entry
You still have to pay 70$ per title on top
Seems Playstation 1 and 2 both costed $299 MSRP
It has went up up since then, but not by much, with obviously much better specs
Not really possible to make it that much cheaper
GamePass is a good option, release all games on a subscription model
But the profit gains of that and income stability.. really questionable
World of Warcraft survives on a sub model, maybe Playstation could, if they wanted to
Sub model for games, I think, will become commonplace as price of games become increasingly higher
Like phones are getting more expensive and peeps just end up taking em on credit
You really can't be asked to pay 70$+ multiple times each month, that is simply absurd
fair gull
thanks
cursive summit
https://ggle.io/6ABR XDD
I feel scared to click this
Though it says google docs, I am still not sure what the hell is this
cursive summit
For.. what
sleek maple
you need
translate eng for wooting community?
i can translate for this community
i'm that benchmark's team main manager
cursive summit
fair gull
nono just needed to check which column means what
cursive summit
Seems like there's functions that Google docs have just for translations
Interesting
fair gull
but what i would wanna see (not analog specific) is a latency measurement overall (you already have that) AND a latency just for pushing it and a latency just for releasing it
because both of those are actually important in the real world
people hold down movement keys and such and release them later
they dont just quickly press every key
the advantage of our keyboard is that you can have the key be pressed at 0.1mm pressed and then also have it release after just letting go 0.1mm (so its at 3.9mm pressed)
basically removing a lot of travel up before the key is released for more traditional switches
as mentioned in the twitch chat this is an important factor for FPS movement as people want to have the movement be very direct to what they do
and with rapid trigger the movement just needs to be 0.1mm down to activate a key and 0.1mm up to deactivate. even if youre in the middle of the stroke
sleek maple
i checked
fair gull
but otherwise a really nice list
cursive summit
Apparently OEM partners have received information that FSR3 is nearly ready, and will be launching soon, as early as September
Now, I have questions why OEM partners have received notifications on FSR3 launching considering I don't really see them really being involved in that launch in any way
But any FSR3 is good 
More frames, more perf, good for consumers
crimson wigeon
As early as September? Launching with Starfield?
cursive summit
That's honestly what I was hoping for
AMD is partnering with Beth for Starfield
FSR3 launching around that time to support the game launch cause let's be real
The hardware specs requirements are rather high for that game
FSR3 launch would be really appreciated for the lower end consumers like me with an RX 5700
Although I am still having a hard time understanding why OEM partners have got this information
ashen spindle
Link to that rumor?
cursive summit
OEM is like, Sapphire, Lenovo, shit like that innit?
crimson wigeon
So they know when they can start slapping the logo on the boxes idk
cursive summit
Link to that rumor?
The most shittiest of sources, mlid
I have no clue why OEMs would know when FSR3 is launching cause I don't know in what way they could they possibly be involved, so it does seem like another fake rumour
But tbf FSR3 is way overdue and should launch soon
cursive summit
If it needs a vbios update perhaps
If it works on "all GPUs", why would it need one?
Unlike Nvidia's offerings, isn't the whole point of the AMD solutions that they don't run on proprietary hardware?
ashen spindle
Work!= optimized for
cursive summit
Alright but, that would just be optimized with a radeon driver update, no?
ashen spindle
Could be it needs an update to run better than the generic model like XeSS does
cursive summit
It's still just another mlid leak though so, not getting my hopes too up
But "OEM partners were told" does spring some confidence that FSR3 is going to launch soon
Ngl my card having some struggles to run Baldur's Gate 3 at 60 is a bit sad
astral haven
Ngl my card having some struggles to run Baldur's Gate 3 at 60 is a bit sad <:do...
see the problem is your card is designed to be good at video games, the nvidia cards are 2/3 video games and 1/3 ai by area, so it stands to reason that it would actually be in nvidias benefit to use that ai part while playing games, where a pure games card would struggle to see benefit
gotta remember that the 4090 is something like 100x faster at pure ai bs vs the 7900xtx
reef patrol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apEKAY11NQs
The lengths people go to just to upgrade M based Macs 😄
Chip swapping, reballing and all that fun stuffl.
cursive summit
gotta remember that the 4090 is something like 100x faster at pure ai bs vs the ...
100x?
Like 20%
astral haven
a 4090 is half a petaflop of ai perf
cursive summit
More specifically, AMD Radeon™ RX 7900 XTX gives 80% of the speed of NVIDIA® GeForce RTX™ 4090 and 94% of the speed of NVIDIA® GeForce RTX™ 3090Ti for Llama2-7B/13B
RX 7900 XTX is 40% cheaper than RTX 4090
ashen spindle
If it’s some sparsity stuff done in tensor it’s multiple times faster than a fixed function core in the 7900 could do it
astral haven
More specifically, AMD Radeon™ RX 7900 XTX gives 80% of the speed of NVIDIA® GeF...
yea thats great and all but thats training not inference
training is higher precision bs
a 4090 is over half a petaflop of bfloat16 which isnt even all that low precision
ashen spindle
If you half precision you double the amount of operations, add in tensor cores or such and you get to multiple times faster
As long as you can work with the lower accuracy of course
ashen spindle
You still wouldn’t want int1 for it lmfao
astral haven
int1 is true or false lol
ashen spindle
Yes :p
astral haven
tbh if we had that in some of our ai models, we wouldnt have to worry so much about safety
also gotta remember that in some applications the 7900xtx is insanely slower than it should be
astral haven
More specifically, AMD Radeon™ RX 7900 XTX gives 80% of the speed of NVIDIA® GeF...
resnet50 score of 127 images/s is painfully slow, and even without tensor cores (forcing higher precision) the 4090 is over 1700 images/s
astral haven
thats the problem lol
you need to generate images for fsr3, the 7900xtx is slower than it should be for ai (at least it was a few months ago) and that needs to be fixed before you can use it to speed up the game
like there would be no point if fsr3 used 90% of the gpu just to do the fsr3 things, and it took 100ms per frame to do , causing your max theoretical framerate to be 10 fps
astral haven
resnet50 score of 127 images/s is painfully slow, and even without tensor cores ...
note that this doesnt include the performance of the dlss3 unit
nvidia purposely added in a unit dedicated to performing the optical flow of dlss3
it doesnt help with resnet50, it doesnt help with anything else ai, just specifically optical flow
https://docs.nvidia.com/video-technologies/optical-flow-sdk/nvofa-application-note/index.html#nvof-api__table-of-hardware-features
cursive summit
I haven't seen anyone ever use Cortana ngl
Tbf I have never seen anyone ever use google assistant or Siri either
Kind of a useless meme product
astral haven
a ton of people use siri, mostly because apple makes it extremely easy to turn on and you have to be paying attention not to
and google assistant is actually useful
hey google, drive me to [address]
cursive summit
Just get a windows at this point
astral haven
if you are in the security world, it is really pleasant to be on a less popular platform, because fewer people are trying to break into it
astral haven
well not always
cursive summit
I would just rather get an RTX 4090 and a 13980HX over an M2 or whatever
vagrant pagoda
Not anymore
astral haven
unfortunately apple support for AMD hardware is pretty poor
vagrant pagoda
Intel Mac's are out of updates
astral haven
I would just rather get an RTX 4090 and a 13980HX over an M2 or whatever
definetly will not get battery life out of that lol
maybe a 7840u and 4090 but noone makes that
and if you want z1e + 4090 its a monstrosity that is even more expensive than the macbook tho barely
the one thing you can say about apple is they did in fact make their solution into one chip, and while its a hellofalot slower than a 4090 or even a 4060, its still 1 chip vs having to find a combination of 2 chips
ashen spindle
For now
astral haven
a significant part of 7040 series is amd+radeon which is a complete disaster for the end user
astral haven
For now
sure but they did in fact do it
and the product is now on its 3rd generation, and strix point is barely on the horizon
and its not expected to be 4060 class gpu...
ashen spindle
Yeah but strix(halo) will now be on similar nodes and all
Apple paid dearly to get node advantages
final flame
if you are in the security world, it is really pleasant to be on a less popular ...
You also get the benefit of less devs actually making apps for the platform 
astral haven
you are making the apple assumption that AMD doesnt exist
sure you cant buy an amd macbook to compare to, but the steam deck tends to game about as well using its emulation as the m2 macs do
and its using a 4? year old architecture
ok so name something that will use more power?
you asked about heating el room, and the steamdeck heats the room less on the harshest load you can run on it and provides higher performance
ashen spindle
Thanks Microsoft
astral haven
microsoft got burned before by using amd chips, but now amd is actually helping people build devices, and stuff is getting alot better
well actually then you go intel
the 13x0p series is actually insane at all of the above
cursive summit
Uhh, AMD version of Zephyrus G14 used to compete really well out of all vs Apple
I think Linus did a video on one
cursive summit
7940HS is a pretty damn solid CPU for mobile
astral haven
cool
ashen spindle
Microsoft is also good at burning connections, remember the one Xbox that last minute changed soc while some poor guy sat in the audience from amd or intel I don’t remember 
astral haven
and itll be like 10x faster than the macbook rendering the video
do you have more than just an iphone?
if you just have the iphone, microsoft now integrates with that
microsoft has shared clipboard, im pretty sure its available in the microsoft app now
gusty kiln
yeah Phone Link is pretty nice
astral haven
they also have find my, and the airpods connection only applies if you have more than just an iphone
gusty kiln
especially for quickly grading login codes
astral haven
except send all your data to apple
astral haven
im on ios, and am forced to use macos occasionally in this business environment and it is not pleasant unless you are doing little to nothing outside of what apple wants you to
and apple officially considers data stored by them on their servers to be private
if you agree, sure
i dont
well technically no
astral haven
you can emulate either direction although it is not performant
cursive summit
Ally seems weirdly optimized to outperform other 780M iGPUs
astral haven
Ally seems weirdly optimized to outperform other 780M iGPUs
it has nice memory clocked extremely well
🤷 thats why i said emulate not just virtualize
again its slow on non native apps. but it does in fact function
solemn wave
Holy this takes me back. Used to hate quartus :)))
astral haven
where theres a will theres a way
solemn wave
Quartus was made by folks who've never heard of UI scaling
astral haven
the problem is that using macos tests my willpower in general
putting in effort to fix issues that are just seamless on linux even is just frustrating
solemn wave
Yea that sucks 😦 it never really crashed on me, though compilation and fitting taking >20 mins was really annoying
astral haven
putting in effort to fix issues that are just seamless on linux even is just fru...
if its in linux, apple could literally just look at the code as inspiration for how to do it
i know microsoft tests their operating system with end users and actually spends time making sure everyone can do what they want, so its unfair to compare to apple who only wants to do specific things, but that doesnt make it any less pain to use
i wouldnt be so insistent on the point if it didnt affect me
solemn wave
Oddly enough, I've found for software dev, I do enjoy macos more than any other os
astral haven
Oddly enough, I've found for software dev, I do enjoy macos more than any other ...
maybe because you happen to develop in a way that apple develops
solemn wave
Oof yea. Modelsim, looking at the waveforms for hours on end.
We were working on the DE1SOC so I just ended up creating a Pygame skin to display blinking lights instead
solemn wave
maybe because you happen to develop in a way that apple develops
Probably true, though I never really compile anything on my Mac. We have build servers and dev machines for that
astral haven
but if you are writing complicated scripts that interact with multiple applications?
oh you wanted multiple windows? sorry we dont like that here
solemn wave
It's very common for university courses
Unless you went to the same university as I did
You may find this useful then
It's really poorly written but it did the job for me
wheat plume
<@361968952592826378> screw you
Huh??
cursive summit
You ruined breakthrough for all of us
icy gorge
don't wanna make a support thread for this but the two HE's switches are hotswappable, right? I'm having a really hard time getting the switch to move.
astral haven
You ruined breakthrough for all of us
lk99 ended up being around 99 kelvin
somewhat poetic
ashen spindle
hey that's room temperature for me
wheat plume
Wat
ashen spindle
this is what vex pinged you for
wheat plume
Awana != Avanna
icy gorge
ok nvm i just needed to use way more force than I remember from the wooting one
astral haven
You must be fun at parties
just because you think they are similar doesnt mean they think it is
like i dont get offended by people messing with my screen name (bc its hard) but my real name I do...
cursive summit
just because you think they are similar doesnt mean they think it is
like i dont...
Didn't ask
astral haven
and we didnt ask you to be rude either, yet it happened anyways...
cursive summit
and we didnt ask you to be rude either, yet it happened anyways...
Lana's my buddy, buddy, so I'll poke fun at Avannas name as much as I want. Didn't ask
Not really feeling the article
astral haven
this is assuming that the tech leadership can actually reasonably understand what an AI will do before it does it lmao
cursive summit
AI has more than enough reasons to improve our lives
astral haven
vex
the problem is that we have no way of making the ai do what we want once it is doing more than we can
we already cant control the ais, and they are far below adult level on many fronts...
cursive summit
And that is completely fine
If anything that is potentially desirable
Controlling the AI would limit their technological potential
astral haven
lets say that the ais have a goal for the matter in the solar system
cursive summit
What AI should do is handle all the calculations in the world so that we could advance technologically as species
astral haven
out of the random goals that could exist, what goal would they pick?
cursive summit
We already are able to control enough of AI's to steer their "conscience"
cursive summit
Training is the thing that matters the most
astral haven
which openai has proven isnt good enough
openai has the explicit goal of making gpt4 not say naughty words, yet they have no actual ability to do that
cursive summit
An AI that is trained on only scientific data should be controllable
astral haven
but we arent building that ai right now
cursive summit
But that is the goal
astral haven
whose?
cursive summit
An AGI fueled by the entirety of humanity's scientific foundings
astral haven
definetly not openai
cursive summit
So that AI could invent things for us
astral haven
An AGI fueled by the entirety of humanity's scientific foundings
ok thats a good goal
cursive summit
That is the real end goal
astral haven
only company working on that is IBM
and ibm is a decade behind openai
because openai has so much more training data
because most of humanity isnt scientific data
ashen spindle
scientific data also has errors or can be misguided, how do you as a human do properly only use unbiased results
cursive summit
If anything AI more than anyone will be able to correct our mistakes
ashen spindle
define mistakes
cursive summit
Miscalculations and such
astral haven
If anything AI more than anyone will be able to correct our mistakes
brings us back to the original point
how do we make the ai do anything, and keep doing it once it can outsmart us
cursive summit
Well, who really knows, AGI is at least 10 years away if not more
astral haven
theres only one possible goal that is "figure out what humans mean by good things and to it"
theres infinite possibilities of pretend to do good things until you have accumulated enough power to game the system by building random arrangements of atoms that make you happier than that...
astral haven
Well, who really knows, AGI is at least 10 years away if not more
problem is prove that
and if openai blindly stumbles onto a big enough model that is powerful to outsmart us, it will take over everything and convert all of the atoms in the solar system into factories producing the molecular patterns that make it happiest
where happiest is an analogy
cursive summit
That makes no sense
cursive summit
A server running an "AI" will not somehow manage to fabricate matter out of nowhere
astral haven
so a human can order online bioweapons
gpt 3.5 already knew how to order tasks online
and lie to the humans performing the tasks well enough to bypass a captcha they couldnt do
cursive summit
AI models should not be connected to the internet, imo
Especially not scientific ones
astral haven
but they already are
cursive summit
Custom training data only
cursive summit
but they ***already are***
A general computational model is fine
astral haven
we arent arguing that ai bad
i am arguing that openai is going to get us all killed
cursive summit
Language models are fine, for now
astral haven
for now
cursive summit
They are doing more good than bad
astral haven
unless they suddently arent
astral haven
They are doing more good than bad
but only through us humans being smart enough to exert effort into making that happen
if the ai is capable of more than the humans, we wont be able to do that
you havent seen the shoggoth memes i suppose
the untrained models are horrendously dangerous and quite capable of becoming smarter than humans
they have to be able to predict what a human says when reasoning or doing tasks
which means it not only has to be able to reason or do the tasks, it has to be able to do that generally
cursive summit
the untrained models are horrendously dangerous and quite capable of becoming sm...
Agreed
Good thing most of the people in the AI sphere are academics, not villains.. for now
astral haven
but thats simply not true
the academics are still working on gpt-2
and they are currently only capable of barely understanding capabilities that humans can manually program
we have no idea how gpt-3 works at all
cursive summit
and they are currently only capable of barely understanding capabilities that hu...
Is there really a source on that somewhere?
astral haven
and openai is charging ahead already releasing gpt-4
listen to a few podcasts from connor leahy
i think the best one is this one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMoVsM1EWR0&pp=ygUMY29ubm9yIGxlYWh5
cursive summit
Virtually all potential negative factors of AI are eliminated by completely separating it from any connection to other networks
astral haven
but that doesnt matter because the literal first github repo released after gpt-3 was autogpt
cursive summit
If anything it's more impressive to see what it figures out if it does go haywire, in a controlled environment
cursive summit
but that doesnt matter because the literal first github repo released after gpt-...
AutoGPT isn't GPT-3 based, but GPT-4
ashen spindle
Virtually all potential negative factors of AI are eliminated by completely sepa...
that's like saying all bad things in the world like war can be eliminated if humans are nice to each other
cursive summit
that's like saying all bad things in the world like war can be eliminated if hum...
You can't force humans to act a way
astral haven
if you want to hear the argument of why all the molecules in the solar system get converted into tiny molecular spirals, eliezer yudkowsky makes a perfectly logical argument for it that noone has found any holes to poke into
cursive summit
You can enforce a PC to never have any networks attached to it
astral haven
AutoGPT isn't GPT-3 based, but GPT-4
it is now, but it was created within minutes of gpt3 launching
astral haven
You can enforce a PC to never have any networks attached to it
but noone is doing that
gpt-4 is already smarter than many humans
cursive summit
As it very well should be
astral haven
even if you assume it will cap out at enough intelligence to predict what every human on earth will say it can be pretty confident that it also will be able to predict what to say to convince all but the top tier of humans...
cursive summit
We should look beyond LLMs into a broader, more efficient way of processing data
astral haven
why?
cursive summit
In the word of science
astral haven
we should look at less efficient methods that we can actually understand what they are doing to some extent and dont scale to superhuman levels
astral haven
In the word of science
but thats not gonna happen unless connor leahy gets his way
watch his podcast, hes a heck of a lot better at arguing than i am
cursive summit
I don't really want to argue with anyone
I just want an AGI that will fuel the inventions of tomorrow
astral haven
the problem is the first agi will kill all of humanity within a week or less of being turned on
cursive summit
Humanity is a stagnant species for a myriad of years required for any meaningful evolution to take place
AI will evolve in microseconds
What we have to do is evolve it in a way that will serve us well
astral haven
but we dont know how to do that
cursive summit
AI is a fairly new field anyways
astral haven
and openai is just lol more layers
astral haven
AI is a fairly new field anyways
the problem of how to align an agi was proposed in the early 1900s, and has had consistent work ever since
fickle ore
full dive > agi
astral haven
I trust and welcome our new artificial overlords
i dont want all life on planet earth to simultaneously drop dead, and our bodies get converted into tiny molecular spirals as an even barely superhumanly intelligent ai would be easily capable of doing
cursive summit
There's no reason to go sci-fi
astral haven
now sure each one of those spirals may make that ai happier than i will ever be, but i dgaf
cursive summit
I don't see any chance of such possibility happening
astral haven
I don't see any chance of such possibility happening
every argument to the contrary boils down to that
the reason its spirals now instead of paperclips is because spirals is what all of the image generators generate, but it would be a random arrangement of atoms that the AI finds most aligned with their goals
and the reason everyone drops dead simultaneously is because there are pretty concrete mechanisms that an ai slightly smarter than alphafold could use to produce super cyanobacteria that are optimized to grow as fast as possible
once the bacteria have converted the atmosphere, the ai would have free reign of the solar system to build all the factories it wants that produce its equivalent of dopamine
fickle ore
why?
astral haven
because if it doesnt have a goal it wont do anything
and we have no way of selecting the goal of an LLM
we dont even currently have any theories of how to do this
fickle ore
yeah, and it will have no goal
astral haven
and if it doesnt have a goal, it cant do any tasks
fickle ore
good
astral haven
that is a great idea, but the first thing people did when exposed to gpt-3 was to
A) run it recursively and see what it does
B) do that with goals
that was even done in the safety testing of gpt-4
or was it gpt-3
i forget
cursive summit
GPT-4, afaik
astral haven
either way it displayed exactly the behaviors predicted for a model dumber than a human, and yet was perfectly capable of tricking someone into doing a captcha for it
cursive summit
And the results were promising
astral haven
lmao what
cursive summit
A self-correcting AI if anything is a more meaningful and truthful AI that we need
astral haven
the results are that openai is incapable of making it do what openai wants
astral haven
A self-correcting AI if anything is a more meaningful and truthful AI that we ne...
yes but we cant make a self correcting ais
cursive summit
So, we already created conscience
Humans act in that exact way
You can't tell them what to do, only steer them
astral haven
using words like conscience detract from the point
astral haven
You can't tell them what to do, only steer them
we can only steer them as long as we have the ability to exert ourselves over it
cursive summit
It doesn't, cause that illustrates the power we have over it
astral haven
ok vex its quite clear you didnt listen to leahy
cursive summit
It's a damn subdued, borderline on edge of death human that can't do anything but think
And that's what we need
astral haven
It doesn't, cause that illustrates the power we have over it
there are pure logic arguments that prove that incorrect
and we already cant actually make it do what we want
cursive summit
Carmon how will a never-online server running an algorythm EVER go online
How?
If it doesn't go online it's not a problem
astral haven
by using rowhammer to create gsm signals
for example
humans can do that
but the problem is its smarter than humans
cursive summit
Just keep it in a faraday cage
If you isolate it from humanity, it will not do anything against us
If it ever comes to that
astral haven
If you isolate it from humanity, it will not do anything against us
basically you are saying predict how stockfish will win a game of chess against me
obviously if i knew, i wouldnt lose the game
but its stockfish, humans cannot win against stockfish and its not even that smart according to our definitions
but thats besides the point
openai is racing as fast as possible to get an ai on the internet to make money
they are training it on microsoft azure
which is the second most widely connected supercomputer cluster
ai good yes
what openai is doing is explicitly avoiding all the safety
cursive summit
I never disagreed that what OpenAI, Google. Deepmind or whoever else is doing is ethically correct
Yes, they are playing the flashy game
And I am not ok with it
But AI, in a controlled environment, is what will lead us beyond constaints of physics
astral haven
no vex
a human, augmented by ai will
an ai itself will do something random that we dont want as soon as we make an attempt to give it a goal, unless we make insanely rapid improvements in that field
cursive summit
an ai itself will do something random that we dont want as soon as we make an at...
And we have been doing rapid improvements every month
astral haven
in making the ai do more things
not in making it do what we want
look at gpt-3 vs gpt-4 post rlhf
gpt-4 is easier to jailbreak and significantly better at providing results once you do
cursive summit
I watch Yannic Kilcher, an AI scholar from ETH Zurich, break down a lot of AI papers
A lot of advances are happening in the field
astral haven
but more are in making ais do more
cursive summit
Yeah that is sadly the case, for now
AI is just not smart enough to correctly interpret data and check if it makes any sense for now
astral haven
as soon as the opposite is true, and openai is the company that trained it, we have a week to live
cursive summit
Carmonben I never took you for a doomsday cultist
astral haven
🤷 if you cant break the logic, attack the character
cursive summit
What logic, that AI will somehow transform us into molecules?
Is there any need to say anything on that
Come on, let's be realistic
astral haven
thats how it always plays out with yudkowsky, which is why i recommended leahy
cursive summit
Yes, openAI is doing fuck knows what and it's not safe
No, it will not murder you, your grandma or your dog
That just won't happen
astral haven
Come on, let's be realistic
there is no line of logic besides god existing that causes any different path
if you find one, publish it lmao
cursive summit
You have not given me any papers either other than a podcast
Podcasts are now scientific logical interpretations?
astral haven
because the papers are written in pure logic
astral haven
Podcasts are now scientific logical interpretations?
you are confusing science and logic
theres no science argument because we have no way to test anything
the argument is pure logic
cursive summit
And papers will remain how to cleanly share science amongst ourselves
astral haven
you are confusing science and logic
theres no science argument because we have n...
read
theres no science for 2+2=4
cursive summit
Cause everything we do is a construct of humanity
Obviously there's no science
Cause science isn't even a thing
It's uncharted waters, but AI won't defy nature
astral haven
Cause science isn't even a thing
yes
but formal logic is a construct that we can use to reason without being able to do science
science is the process of making fewer and fewer mistakes until you end up with a good result
fickle ore
and gatekeeped with phD
astral haven
if you want to actually read, you basically need to read this man's lifes work to find a solution to the problem
https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/uMQ3cqWDPHhjtiesc/agi-ruin-a-list-of-lethalities
fickle ore
GRE; GR8
cursive summit
GRE; GR8
Expected results
Essentially 6950XT level for 649 was it?
Nearly half price of 6950XT MSRP on launch
Not that it matters much
fickle ore
yea
cursive summit
Ngl 7800XT continues to be really unclear of what its purpose is
astral haven
Obviously there's no science
heres the idea behind the science however
"This list of lethalities is about things we are not on course to solve in practice in time on the first critical try; none of it is meant to make a much stronger claim about things that are impossible in principle."
cursive summit
We'll see the pricing and benchmarks of the 800XT
But I have a suspicion it'll be really bad
astral haven
oh yea youd be shocked how much win 10 can run
the problems with my x1800xt were quite minimal at least getting it to boot and show images wise
vagrant pagoda
800xt is a agp card XD
astral haven
agp to pcie bridges exist
astral haven
and my x1800xt boots 10
astral haven
it will run, just be useless
vagrant pagoda
withouth drivers no cf
astral haven
Yes, openAI is doing fuck knows what and it's not safe
like I think we are all gonna be fine, but itll only happen if openai gets stopped somehow
and I am confident that will happen
it will take a while for the understanding to permeate
but connor leahy's argument is easy to understand, and while it isnt as bulletproof as yudkowsky's on a pure logic front, it doesnt require as much logic theory to understand, and is while optimistic, still a bad enough outcome for humanity that people will do stuff
also leahys argument doesnt even require an ai smarter than a human generally lmao, just good enough at doing some stuff
vagrant pagoda
expoxy
hot glue comes out easy in one bit
youd be suprised
ive tried hotglue on usb
rigid dome
Today's driver update (off rapid trigger) will be delayed by pressing w continuously****
shadow minnow
Best way is to just kill the usb controller
ashen spindle
halcyon willow
Finally
gusty kiln
feel like the only 2 27" OLED worth buying are the Asus one and the Corsair one for the built-in KVM
Asus has the best performance
astral haven
security flaw
yea, theres a ton of them, this one fortunately isnt too bad
gusty kiln
that 32:9 samsung oled looks tempting
it beening 1799 is also surprising, thought it would be well over 2K
cursive summit
That's supposed to be slim?
Some peeps are saying the CD drive might be detachable
That'd be an interesting mechanic
Yeah it has
But seems weird to see it in the plastic
silent oracle
Any mouse recommendations for claw grip
i think my size is like medium or sum shit idk
gusty kiln
@prisma crag watched the SNW season finale yet?
kek, I wish they used more music genres
halcyon moss
Up to
cursive summit
Not really sure why these mitigations are so aggressive
And quite often
Not to be a snob but, surely it's not that difficult to patch up/ temporarily remove that specific part that's vulnerable?
ashen spindle
if an instruciton is allowing the issue and you have to block it
there isnt much you can do without changing hardware lol
cursive summit
Seems suboptimal
zenith silo
Any mouse recommendations for claw grip
lamzu very good
works well with larger hands too
ashen spindle
yes suboptimal but better than losing passwords
zenith silo
gwolves (dogshit quality control though)
cursive summit
I remember that AMD was trying to implement some sort of change-hardware-through-updates type of tech few years back
Did that materialize yet?
ashen spindle
you mean an FPGA?
cursive summit
Iirc that tech would allow them to implement and change instructions on demand
cursive summit
you mean an FPGA?
I guess so, maybe
ashen spindle
yeah if you want to just not have any performance form the get go lol
cursive summit
What do you mean by that
ashen spindle
having it all be modular and changeable isnt free lol
fpga are old as fuck there is a reason they arent what you have in your pc primarily
cursive summit
I do remember AMD trying to make a hybrid with FPGAs inside of CPUs or something like that
Surely they'd make it work
ashen spindle
yes but that cant just change the entire cpu like a blob of liquid metal lol
cursive summit
Maybe it was this that I read https://hothardware.com/news/amd-patent-hybrid-cpu-fpga-design-xilinx
ashen spindle
that still wouldnt be a nanobot that can replace transistors all over the cpu lol
cursive summit
Pardon my ignorance, I am not knowledgeable in these sand matters
ashen spindle
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVkbcZ8JH2E @crisp granite latest copium dosage
crisp granite
crimson wigeon
omg
crisp granite
Soon™️
ashen spindle
lots of linux changes that start by breaking steamvr on linux on the beta for now
astral haven
oh my god they added a toggle that turns off all of the overlays and makes only the game run!
astral haven
@cursive summit is this gonna be enough to convince you humanity will take a long walk off the short tightrope of ai?
https://gorilla.cs.berkeley.edu/
cursive summit
I am sorry, what are you trying to prove with this
That's a cool model though, hadn't heard about it before
wheat plume
got to love region locked updates....
got to sideload it manually if you arent in one of the regions supported
cursive summit
Yeah I was going to say
I don't get how a 6950XT for 650$ is any "best" when 6950XT has been as low as 600$ for a long time now
It's good value, sure, in theory, but really not amazing
But really this just really again puts that massive wrench into 7800XT launch
When they just launched a 7900 version for 650$ and the 7800XT appears to be, spec wise, so much worse than it, how do they not fuck up that launch
They will have to price it really cheap
cursive summit
Yeah I don't see it standalone
But there are some decent value builds for sale
Still, a worthy consideration for an upgrade, especially for peeps rocking skylake and kaby lake or Ryzen 1+ or below
I guess coffee is getting rather old at this point too, though tbf coffee lake was rather nice when it launched
fair gull
got to sideload it manually if you arent in one of the regions supported
THE BETA
how is it an issue that they restrict the beta to select countries
fair gull
man payday2 test program being locked behind an application to join it is stupid. need to crack it to play
ashen spindle
Region looking Betas seems nothing special
Limits amount of edge cases
Limits amounts of language setting issues, amounts of users etc.
tall ore
Is the Gateron Magnetic Orange Linear Switch better than the Stock lekker ones
vagrant pagoda
they arent compatible
tall ore
Really?
vagrant pagoda
also #archived_keebs_talk
last time i saw them posted, they dont ahve the full travel range i think
ashen spindle
lga1851 it seems like
cursive summit
Never really made sense why Intel loves board refreshes
AM4 can handle like what, 4 generations of CPUs
AM5 will be similar
gusty kiln
keeps board partners happy
cursive summit
I get the chipset difference between Alder and Comet Lake
So that's a warranted change
But what are they meaningfully changing now, Alder vs what Arrow Lake? That really warrants any changes on the chipset
Just asking
astral haven
am4 was very very broken by the end
and intel has actual capabilities in their chipsets
rather than throwing them on the cpu
now is throwing them on the cpu a better idea? yes
but thats how intel functions
vagrant pagoda
am4 was very very broken by the end
only beaause there wasnt enough room on bios chips for microcode lol
astral haven
usb?
cursive summit
only beaause there wasnt enough room on bios chips for microcode lol
Can't that be improved?
astral haven
usb?
they never fixed that issue on either consumer or epyc
and imo usb is the most important part of a consumer cpu
vagrant pagoda
i mean that has nothing to do with it supporting multiple generations of cpus
and ive never had an issue with my x570s
astral haven
except they ran into problems that they were unable to fix with am4
astral haven
and ive never had an issue with my x570s
and ive never had any problem ever with any intel usb controller
cursive summit
I wonder how many peeps were blessed with the very few specific A320 boards that managed to support all CPUs from Zen 1 to 3 from the start
vagrant pagoda
and im pretty sure all mobos have the usb dropout fix now
astral haven
no they dont lmao
they have a patch that makes it harder to notice
but the usb still drops
cursive summit
What's the USB drop?
astral haven
like it doesnt take down your system
vagrant pagoda
and i have ~20 usb devices
cursive summit
Wait
The fact that sometimes my USB just disconnects for no reason isn't just me having a virus?
astral haven
What's the USB drop?
if you send more than 1 usb controller worth of bandwidth through an 3000 or 5000 iodie, the connection drops
there are other scenarios that create it but that is the main source
cursive summit
That explains so much that randomly I hear the Windows notifications for USB disconnecting and connecting back instantly
astral haven
the fixes prevent windows from noticing
vagrant pagoda
but again that is a chipset issue not a am4 supporting multiple gen of cpus
astral haven
but again that is a chipset issue not a am4 supporting multiple gen of cpus
wrong
its an issue with the IODIE of the cpu
vagrant pagoda
because it dosent happen when a 5xxx is in a x470
astral haven
because it dosent happen when a 5xxx is in a x470
wrong
astral haven
its harder to create in that scenario, becuase over half of the ports in the system cannot trigger the issue
astral haven
proof?
the iodie is exactly equal to the x570 chip, and the issue occurs on epyc which doesnt have any chipset at all
vagrant pagoda
its literally a signalling issue with the usb and pcie4, so i dont see how it effects x470
vagrant pagoda
its is a issue with using both
astral haven
the usb controller itself has a limit on the bandwidth before it crashes
astral haven
its is a issue with using both
amd never confirmed that?
vagrant pagoda
yeah
astral haven
i mean its possible, but i dont see why they pushed microcode to all of am4 if that was the case
vagrant pagoda
its literally the 4.0 link to the chipset that is the issue
astral haven
amd confirmed they would never fix it for epyc
astral haven
its literally the 4.0 link to the chipset that is the issue
so this is wrong
vagrant pagoda
on am4 thats what it is
astral haven
if its the pcie controller itself whatever sure but then it doesnt matter because x470 also has that
vagrant pagoda
becuase it didnt effect the x470 with othe bioses running 4.0
astral haven
becuase it didnt effect the x470 with othe bioses running 4.0
holy shit dude
vagrant pagoda
beacuse the chipset is still running 3.0 on those
astral haven
what part of amd patched it to make it harder to notice do you not understand
the issue still happens, but the transfer to the usb hdd doesnt stop, it just pauses for half a second
this was an issue with the 1 chip
but amd used that chip for EVERYTHING
it was the iodie for 3000, the iodie for 5000, the x570 chip, and was the base for the epyc iodies
there was no fixing it in the next revision because that required a complete redesign of the usb for the cpu which is much harder to do than if it was its own separate unit
dawn kelp
and 99.9% of end users won't experience it, so in the end guess what it doesn't matter
astral haven
reread the prior to the convo
its a problem that intel could have fixed with their design that amd couldnt
dawn kelp
Yeah I read it, it's just that it isn't worthwhile to a company to fix it, if it isn't a large enough issue
astral haven
except it gets you killed in games
vagrant pagoda
i mean
astral haven
but because of that pros cannot use amd
dawn kelp
not true?
astral haven
i mean pro gamers
astral haven
and fixed it
they never fixed it
dawn kelp
Pros definitely can still use amd
astral haven
it effects am5?
amd didnt make chipsets for am5 lmao
vagrant pagoda
so wait they did fix it
astral haven
its all asmedia made and manufactured
astral haven
they fixed it with a new cpu
vagrant pagoda
but again
how dose that have ANYthing to do with am4 multi gen support?
if they would of pulled an intel and moved some pins around to make x570 have its own socket
astral haven
because they were stuck
vagrant pagoda
it would of STILL had the same issue
intel dosent clean slate chipsets
nither dose amd
astral haven
it would of STILL had the same issue
🤷 you drew that conclusion and since its unprovable, you will never believe anything else
amd said they have issue
said issue they confirmed would never be fixed on am4
vagrant pagoda
you literally said it effected x470 and x570
astral haven
...
vagrant pagoda
asmedia makes the x470 and x670
astral haven
you literally said it effected x470 and x570
i never said it effected x470
vagrant pagoda
yeah you did
astral haven
i said it affected ryzen 3000 ryzen 5000, x570, and all iodie ddr4 epycs
it doesnt matter what you put ryzen 3000 or 5000 into, the issue happens
it doesnt matter what board you put the epycs into, it happens
vagrant pagoda
so how dose that make it a multi gen socket issue
thats what im missing
if they made a different socket for 3000 and 5000 youd still have the issue
astral haven
is a claim that you make
astral haven
no, i claim that am4 was horrible by the end
usb is just the example that was so bad they claimed they couldnt fix it
vagrant pagoda
reread the prior to the convo
what did you mean by this then
vagrant pagoda
its a problem that intel could have fixed with their design that amd couldnt
this
astral haven
exactly that lol
vagrant pagoda
elaborate
we were talking about intel only supporting one refresh per socket, and amd doing many
astral haven
am4 was very very broken by the end
this is what i lead with
vagrant pagoda
and you said intels design made the issue easier to fix
astral haven
everything that follows is supporting evidence
vagrant pagoda
which would imply you ment new sockets make it easier to fix
vagrant pagoda
yeah it dose
astral haven
they just forcibly cut the compatibility
vagrant pagoda
you get 2 gens out of a stock on average
astral haven
its the same socket tho
the issue isnt the socket
its compatibility
you get 2 gens or whatever of compatibility
and thats a design choice that you dont have to agree with
but it is a choice that makes it easier to make design changes
vagrant pagoda
what intel socket laster 3 generations if they are the same
astral haven
1151 was identical for 4 generations
vagrant pagoda
they arent electrically compatible
astral haven
they are lol
they are bios locked
it requires a single bios flash to use a 9900k on the z170 formula
it requires a single bios flash to use the 9900k in the clevo 6th gen laptop chassis
vagrant pagoda
source?
astral haven
well i dunno maybe added a check in new microcode
astral haven
on the z170 formula?
vagrant pagoda
as the cpu present pin is moved over one pin
astral haven
or the clevo?
vagrant pagoda
maximus
astral haven
thats not what i said
z170 formula or clevo?
i know that you can make anything work with pin mod
but the formula and clevo just needed bios
cursive summit
vagrant pagoda
that means the board were out of spec
astral haven
[citation needed]
vagrant pagoda
i did it via luumis guide
cursive summit
So, AMD is not going to make high end parts for next gen
And Nvidia is not going to make low-mid end parts next gen
Sounds wonderful
astral haven
no competition happening? i cannot see how this could go wrong /s
cursive summit
Ngl the segmentation is not horrible
Nvidia gets high end
AMD tackles mid end
Intel low end
vagrant pagoda
if its detecting cpus on any other pin then the one in the spec its out of spec lol
astral haven
Ngl the segmentation is not horrible
vex you dont understand monopolies
the absolute worst possible monopoly is where its invisible and thus cant be legislated against
vagrant pagoda
which is why you have to bring the pin low
so the mobo always thinks a cpu is present
cursive summit
vex you dont understand monopolies
the absolute worst possible monopoly is where...
Ok?
3 part segmentation could work in theory
astral haven
Nvidia gets high end
this is advocating for a monopoly
astral haven
AMD tackles mid end
as is this
cursive summit
AMD tackles mid end for gaming performance, good perf for price value is going to be really crucial here
astral haven
Intel low end
and this
cursive summit
AMD tackles mid end for gaming performance, good perf for price value is going t...
Nvidia in turn cannot compete with AMD in value, goes for high end performance benefits for enthusiasts/creators
astral haven
what will prevent the prices from ever inflating as each company pushes the segment they have a monopoly in ever upwards
cursive summit
Intel snatches the low end from AMD by pricing cards way below AMD's
It all works out, hopefully
astral haven
now if amd and intel had a halo to compete with nvidia, then there would be pressure downwards on prices
vagrant pagoda
if intel can keep that up
astral haven
and as the high end has pressure, the mid end has downward pressure and by extension the low end
cursive summit
Well Intel having their own fabs would help with prices
astral haven
no it doesnt
vagrant pagoda
amd is just going all in for "console" gaming, even on pc lol
cursive summit
I think 3 part market segmentation would in general not be a bad thing
All 3 companies regulate eachother
Intel the low prices, AMD the gaming performance, and Nvidia the productivity performance
astral haven
All 3 companies regulate eachother
how do they regulate each other if they arent competing?
cursive summit
They are
vagrant pagoda
the prices for all 3 can just go up and up lol
because the only compititon is out of the price bracket
astral haven
They are
for there to be competition there needs to be opposing pressure
what opposing pressure could exist if none are competing
cursive summit
It would be in theory a good thing if 3 companies all had a role independent from one another
astral haven
vex
cursive summit
Yeah yeah this isn't communism
I always speak in hypothethicals
It'll never happen irl
astral haven
vex you arent understanding at all
cursive summit
But hey I can always snort copium
astral haven
these arent government controlled entities where stepping on each others feet will introduce inefficiencies
this is an ostensibly free market system
there needs to be downwards pressure on prices
cursive summit
All 3 companies can in theory regulate each other
astral haven
how
cursive summit
Intel can't match AMD's performance, so they keep the prices down
AMD can't match Intel's prices so they take the middle area
AMD can't compete with Nvidia in productivity
astral haven
but why does nvidia keep the prices down
cursive summit
And Nvidia can't price their cards down cause they are way too complicated
astral haven
and if nvidia prices up, why does amd price down
astral haven
and if amd prices up why does intel price down
cursive summit
and if nvidia prices up, why does amd price down
Then you just buy Intel?
vagrant pagoda
or just look at nvidia
vagrant pagoda
but
if intel and amd price up
because the dont compete
then they both make more
cursive summit
if intel and amd price up
Like rn? We're fucked
astral haven
so you are basically advocating for the worst possible scenario???
why???
cursive summit
Then you introduce player number 4 or legislate for fixed prices
cursive summit
so you are basically advocating for the worst possible scenario???
why???
In theory it's the best possible scenario
astral haven
vex we dont live in north korea
astral haven
there is a free market
cursive summit
Intel into cost cutting
astral haven
if the market is free, without market pressures the prices skyrocket
cursive summit
Price also goes up when a company has to focus on everything and hire more employees
If NV downscales cause they don't bother with gaming performance, prices could go down
vagrant pagoda
no thats costs
astral haven
well no, nvidia will just raise prices to as high as their datacenter parts
vagrant pagoda
not prices
costs can go up, with prices the same
profit just goes down
which can happen with compitition
see intel
cursive summit
That's just the drawbacks of capitalistic system
Not much can really be done about that
cursive summit
Competition doesn't work sadly
astral haven
???????
vagrant pagoda
hahaha
astral haven
you need to go back to high school econ lmao
cursive summit
How does competition work when the value of things is irrelevant compared to brand value?
People still pay max prices just cause of brands
astral haven
by having other brands that also have value???
astral haven
but it does work?
cursive summit
If values worked Samsung and Apple wouldn't have a duopoly over phone markets
And NV wouldn't have 90% some marketshare in GPUs
astral haven
the price of cellphones isnt infinity
therefore the duopoly is working to some extent
cursive summit
That's where you max out the logical limit of phone prices and keep enticing clients with brand value
And it works annoyingly so
astral haven
heres the other thing to consider
how much value does a cellphone bring to the end user
literally 10s of thousands of hours of entertainment
the only reason we arent paying that much is because its literally not possible to spend that much money on making a phone better
phones have maximized the tech that can fit in such a small area
gpus very much have not
cursive summit
astral haven
are you even trying to learn?
cursive summit
Sorry, I lost interest in the conversation https://www.anandtech.com/show/20007/samsung-teases-256-tb-ssd-3d-qlc-nand-at-its-best
astral haven
saying incorrect stuff on the internet with the goal of learning is the highest possible level of trying to improve
saying incorrect stuff on the internet with the goal of ignoring corrections is the highest level of trolling
cursive summit
Ah nah, I just lost interest cause I didn't see much new that I wouldn't know already so, move on to something more interesting
astral haven
Competition doesn't work sadly
but you dont know it otherwise you wouldnt say thiss
cursive summit
Competition doesn't work unless one of the balances gets woefully more powerful to actually force change
And I still have no interest in this conversation so I won't bother to continue the argument
astral haven
Competition doesn't work unless one of the balances gets woefully more powerful ...
this is a wild lack of understanding of even basic economics
cursive summit
gusty kiln
anyone notice that previewing the seek bar in youtube is a bit laggy, it becomes smooth after refreshing