🔌│tech

[halcyon willow]

Is a Pro Max version worth getting and

[astral haven]

my phone actually will still be cool to the touch after charging from 5% to full in an hour

[shadow minnow]

Depends on how much do you use your phone

[halcyon willow]

A lot unfortunately

[astral haven]

the more interesting part of pps is it allows insanely faster charging
sub 10 minutes to full here and the phone didnt explode

[shadow minnow]

Then the bigger screen might be worth it

[halcyon moss]

It is BIG

[halcyon willow]

Does anyone have any other good reasons to upgraded besides USB-C and the camera?

[astral haven]

apple will probably provide more details

[ashen spindle]

they will show some magic trick to pretend the 10% faster SoC is now 5x as fast

[shadow minnow]

Yeah we don’t know too much yet but camera would be the main one and battery life

[astral haven]

id bet "best battery life on an iphone yet"

[shadow minnow]

That would be nice

[ashen spindle]

maybe some ai block to speed up siri or something and claim 5x speedup

[shadow minnow]

12 pro max that I have was actually less than 11

[final flame]

funni graph comparison to nothing

[shadow minnow]

I mean last year they were honest about no major improvement, though with 3nm I hope this year to be better

[shadow minnow]

“Best selling pc laptop”

[halcyon willow]

What are you guys think about 120 Hz

[shadow minnow]

Nice feature

[astral haven]

anyone selling a device over $500 without 120hz is trolling

[final flame]

"30% Improvement over the competition"

[halcyon willow]

💀💀

[ashen spindle]

3nm I hope this year to be better
oh boy

[halcyon willow]

What is even the point of 120 Hz and what are you guys think about always on display and dynamic island?

[shadow minnow]

“Highest iPhone number yet”

[shadow minnow]

Point is it’s smoother

[gusty kiln]

Can't go back to 60 after 120

[astral haven]

yea its responsiveness

[shadow minnow]

I can survive 60 but 30 is huge pain

[final flame]

120hz is a nice touch although personally it's a bit too much for a phone, drains battery more quickly

[halcyon willow]

What about always on display and dynamic island?

[shadow minnow]

Well it’s not huge pain just a slight feeling something is very wrong

[astral haven]

thats incompetent design

[gusty kiln]

Apple will most likely use ltpo as well so battery life should still be good

[astral haven]

likely unchanged

[halcyon willow]

I know, but what are you guys think about those features?

[astral haven]

does it matter?
you already have them

[halcyon willow]

I don’t

[astral haven]

what

[shadow minnow]

Tbh I am not following the leaks but I might get a new phone, as it will be 3 generations in front and mine is at like 75% battery

[halcyon willow]

I don’t have a pro

[astral haven]

lmao what the fuck apple

[halcyon willow]

lol

[gusty kiln]

Only the pill shape phone get it

[astral haven]

oh my god what on earth is apple smoking

[halcyon willow]

What do you say or why do you ask? Why what are they smoking?

[astral haven]

ok nvm its still an oled

[halcyon willow]

This fucking dictation is so terrible. It keeps it so bad it just keeps correcting the worship and saying extra shit for no reason.

[final flame]

Apple is based in california for a reason

[shadow minnow]

At least, I think it took them until 12 for non pro phones

[gusty kiln]

They smoking the ashes of Steve Jobs

[astral haven]

yea i thought they might have had a reason to not have the "dynamic island" on the non pros

right i forgot apple doesnt support fingerprint still
god damn it

[halcyon willow]

I don’t have dynamic Ivan 💯, but it’s not a big deal. It’s just like a freaking black ball on the top of your screen. It doesn’t really obtrusive that often but I see why you can be mad at that.

[gusty kiln]

It would be a dynamic peninsula of it were on the regular 14

[astral haven]

nah im not mad about it missing now that i know they just left it off for differentiation

i thought they went back to an lcd and was mad about that

[halcyon willow]

Again, what the fuck is this dictation bullshit where the fuck did I say Ivan 💯 and 100 and I didn’t say boy I said bar

[shadow minnow]

Scandinavia notch

[halcyon willow]

This fuck iPhone is gonna get a fucking 15 promax at call of the day

[final flame]

5head notch

[shadow minnow]

The Minecraft developer? I think he has 6 sides

[gusty kiln]

Seems like the S24 ultra will still look exactly like the S23 Ultra

Don't be missing much getting the 23

[halcyon willow]

Should I just make the switch to Samsung and color day call it a date

What is my friends laugh at me when they find out that I'm not using an iPhone? How will I be able to fit in?

[gusty kiln]

Depends on how much you are in the apple ecosystem

[astral haven]

are they really?
s22u and s23u were such minor changes 😦

[final flame]

Personally all the mainstream phones don't impress me
they all lack features I consider manditory

The only phone I like that has been released recently is the nothing phone 2

[gusty kiln]

Titanium back is one rumor and that's it

[final flame]

eh just tell them to fuck off like I did 4 years ago

[shadow minnow]

If your friends laugh at you for that I am afraid they’re rather unreasonable people

[astral haven]

yea get new friends lol

[halcyon willow]

Glarxses, what features do you look for in Phone?

[shadow minnow]

Wait Glaxes is not vex

I am confused

[gusty kiln]

Too many annie mays pfp

[final flame]

micro sd slot
oled display if possible
higher refresh
fairly good soc
headphone jack if possible
close to stock android as possible
after these the rest of the features don't matter as much to me

I barely take any photos so the camera matters little to me

[halcyon willow]

SOC?

[final flame]

system on a chip

basically the processor

[halcyon willow]

What refresh rate would you like to see?

[final flame]

90hz+

[halcyon willow]

Would you use the microSD slot for your photo taking adventures?

[gusty kiln]

Max is 165hz atm

240hz soonTM

[final flame]

I use the micro sd for local music storage

[astral haven]

tbh i only need 120 bc i watch videos at 2x speed, 90hz is probably plenty for most folks
only important part is that it have VRR and ltpo tbh

[gusty kiln]

Yeah

My s20 fe is fixed 120 atm

[halcyon willow]

What do those adjectives mean?

[gusty kiln]

Ltpo will be nice

[shadow minnow]

VRR is the main one for me tbh - variable refresh rate

So it can change continuously between refresh rates

[astral haven]

screen refresh isnt fixed
ltpo means that lower refresh saves power

[final flame]

oh yea, also battery size matters to me
usually anything 4000mah and above is a nice to have

[astral haven]

vrr without ltpo is practically useless

[ashen spindle]

https://www.phoronix.com/review/downfall

what a day for cpu issues lol

[gusty kiln]

Lol all these movie names

[shadow minnow]

Tbf for that one I’d say it also depends on consumption, as a phone that’s more efficient and has smaller battery can be as good

[gusty kiln]

Inception, downfall

[ashen spindle]

Tigerlake / Ice Lake back to Sandy Bridge is confirmed to be impacted

[astral haven]

unfortunately tho it only gets you so far if you actually use the device

[shadow minnow]

True but it can make some difference if like max power consumption allowed is smaller

[shadow minnow]

I don’t follow this much but is it really intel’s downfall? Aren’t both companies discovering a ton of vulnerabilities every so often? Or is it more Intel rn

[ashen spindle]

its the name of the vulnerability...

[shadow minnow]

Oh lmao

I thought it was a clickbait title

[astral haven]

heartbleed, spectre, meltdown

[ashen spindle]

but no intels downfall is coming a bit later

[astral haven]

zenbleed

and now downfall

[ashen spindle]

plundervolt, rowhammer

[astral haven]

well rowhammer isnt really a name, its a description lol

[ashen spindle]

fair

[gusty kiln]

Sounds like the boring cousin of warhammer

[ashen spindle]

oh god this is so much worse than the amd issue though

[astral haven]

its also not an exploit of cpus its an exploit of dram

[ashen spindle]

Daniel reported this issue to Intel all the way back in August 2022

GDS is highly practical. It took me 2 weeks to develop an end-to-end attack against encryption keys. It only requires the attacker and victim to share the same physical processor core

[gusty kiln]

Still no reviews of the arya organic from a "good" reviewer

[thick elk]

It is a clickbait title, just not one by phoronix, nowadays the people finding these exploits really want fancy names for them.

[ashen spindle]

well you can't just call it CVE-2017-5715 and expect people to know wtf you just said

sounds like performance could also tank quite the hit so we'll see

[thick elk]

That's true, but should end users know them by name? In the past we made due or a name arose organically if it was important enough.
Now we get named exploits that are pretty benine at times.

[astral haven]

yes but this isnt benign (at least to fix)

it may be rather hard to exploit in reality, but it really is a performance calamity to mitagate according to phoronix

[thick elk]

Of course, my remark was about the trend of named exploits in general, this would probably get a more fitting name on it's own.

[astral haven]

for example this issue has zero effect to our entire organization

and we use xeons pretty extensively

[ashen spindle]

it is impressive how they found something that hit all the way back to sandy

or it shows how little the cores after skylake actually changed lol

[astral haven]

well avx is a thing

[thick elk]

Well from sandy to skylake it were also relatively minor updates

[astral haven]

gotta remember this is a microcode not a physical exploit

even if the underlying hardware changed for how the code is actually run, if theres a vuln in the microcode, that will probably just get reimplemented for the new hardware

[thick elk]

Either way, recent trends seems to be intel has been affected more often and more severe by side channel attacks than AMD.

In other intel news: https://www.phoronix.com/news/Intel-Graphics-Hogwarts-Legacy
TLDR: XeSS is broken on their linux drivers so the workaround is to make sure games won't load it.

[ashen spindle]

unintentionally reveals internal hardware registers to software.
not sure if I would count that as microde issue just because software can fix it at a cost

[astral haven]

microcode isnt software

its all hardware

but its microcode not execution units

[astral haven]

its a matter of deployment
security research is proportional to deployment and importance of deployment

epyc is mostly supercomputers and research
the cloud is less than 20% epyc for sure, may be under 10% still but i havent seen recent stats

[ashen spindle]

Epyc-powered systems account for roughly 25% of the server CPU market. Mercury reports that AMD held 17.5% of the server market at the end of Q3 2023, up from 13.9% in Q2 2022.

[astral haven]

yea so its less than 20%

epyc is almost 50% for research and supercomputers

and theres a ton of cpus in supercomputers

[ashen spindle]

bergamo is coming for telco/cloud and not really counted yet

[astral haven]

yep

[ashen spindle]

but with incumbancy and all this is the more impressive (or sad) graph

[old marlin]

OHNONO

INTELS LAST LEG

can't wait to buy my new nvidia plattform mobo with an intel nic

in 20 years

[astral haven]

but point is roughly 25% of the server cpus are amd
and of that, amds market share is superior in environments that are themselves secured so cant be as heavily investigated
so 20% or less of the security research is done on AMD...

so in theory intel should have about 4x as many vulns found
now that says nothing of severity, thats another matter entirely

[ashen spindle]

ehhh more likely/faster to be found sure but dont agree on it should be as many as you have servershare

since not all servers are equal, more likely you look at something you use yourself so if you have only an epyc system more likely you look at that etc.

[astral haven]

occams razor

vuns found is proportional to market share in general as long as there are bug bounty programs, most likely explanation is thats either causal or both share a factor

[cursive summit]

I prefer the mehrunes' razor ngl

Higher quality

[astral haven]

what

[ashen spindle]

eh sure still think heavy use in high profile installs and such is more likely to exacerbate it beyond the market share split but doesnt really matter

[astral haven]

but what kind of high profile installs

aurora and capitan wont help either, those systems are not available to rent in the cloud, and theres noone looking for local exploits on those security teams

frontier not capitan lol

[ashen spindle]

was about to say lol

[astral haven]

how long has it been since a powerpc exploit has been relevant?

[ashen spindle]

https://www.amd.com/en/newsroom/press-releases/2023-7-11-amd-epyc-cpus-now-power-sap-applications-hosted-on.html stuff like this, massive customer formerly just on intel, even if not all runs on amd now a part makes it so much more valuable to have exploits for it

[astral haven]

yes, and im confident google zero has some part in at least one epyc exploit

[ashen spindle]

wasnt google the ones that found zenbleed?

[astral haven]

yep

exactly lol

once google amazon ms combined have 50% epyc, i suspect the number of exploits found will be similar
then we will be able to see who is worse at security by comparing the ratings of the cves

[ashen spindle]

more curious how heavy this mitigation will hit if it really has to cripple vector instructions for downfall

[astral haven]

as they said it hits a key and highly used instruction

[ashen spindle]

finally a reason for sandy bridge users to upgrade

[astral haven]

no?

something tells me this wont happen on client

[ashen spindle]

I know its not relevant for client its a joke

[thick elk]

Another thing to note is that when looking for exploit if you have a lead the install base of AMD is still well worth following up on. If there is lower hanging fruit then it's definitely worth investigating. Another angle is console hacking, where exploits amd's side are definitely looked at.

Of course there could be a whole new angle of exploits exclusive to AMD but our current evidence points to Intel being worse on that front.

[astral haven]

console exploits dont make money

exploits for devices used infrequently in the cloud dont make money

cloud exploits are big bucks

[tulip furnace]

Anyone know what this cable is and where it goes?

[old marlin]

looks like sata power

prob supplies power to some peripheral?

[tulip furnace]

It’s one of my case cables and idk if I need it

[analog sinew]

it came with the case?

[old marlin]

I mean

[analog sinew]

there's always a bunch of extra cables

[old marlin]

looks what it terminates in

prob something like fans

[tulip furnace]

Ye pop air

[analog sinew]

that is a sata power cable, so only if you need to power some sata device

🤷‍♂️

[old marlin]

no

that is not to provide power

that is to get powered

[tulip furnace]

I don’t have any ssd or hard drives so I guess not

Well an m.2 but that thing is installed already xD

[analog sinew]

i mean that is a directional question, no?

but if they have no device for the other side, whatever that is, no use for it

probably a sata extension cable

i'd guess

[old marlin]

no

that is not a question

[analog sinew]

it provides power to the other end of that cable

[old marlin]

that cable only exists to get plugged into a power supply

there is some device on the other end that gets powered

[tulip furnace]

Seems to be connected to my case power button

[old marlin]

no

100% not

[analog sinew]

yes and therefore it provides power

[old marlin]

with a fractal case it is prob a fan hub

[old marlin]

semantics

[analog sinew]

a ha

[old marlin]

and the cable that powers your router is also a wifi cable

[analog sinew]

you said the exact same thing as I did

that it is used to power something

whatever

[old marlin]

that is a sata power cable, so only if you need to power some sata device

that means something very different from what I said

it does not power any sata device

[analog sinew]

I see what you mean

I guess that was not well said

[tulip furnace]

I think I found it

It powers my rgb I think maybe

Rgb from the case

[thick elk]

Actually interesting enough looking at bug bounties, AMD has none, where sony pays 50k for critical exploits. So if you find an exploit applicable to ps5 you'd better submit it to Sony.

[astral haven]

yep but not if its an instruction level issue lmao

only stuff that would allow you to get into the console would get you significant munz

[thick elk]

Still this includes some sidechannel attacks to obtain keys, even if it's a hardware issue, as I understand it the important part is what it can be used for.

[astral haven]

the real exploit would be running custom code on the console lol

[sharp badger]

https://rog.asus.com/desktops/small-form-factor/rog-g22ch-series/ Hmm, Air or liquid cooled 🤔

Do "B" motherboards support CPU overclock? 🤔

[halcyon willow]

No

[astral haven]

sorta, you are just limited to the stock highest core clock
and the amount by which you can increase the power limits is limited, not that you would want to lmao

the important part is ram oc is fully allowed

basically think 5800x3d

[thick elk]

Also technically any chipset that supports xmp / expo supports cpu overclocking, however what you are overclocking is the memory controller not the core.

[tulip furnace]

This a good install for cooler?

[thick elk]

Seems about right from what is visible here

would if possible personally have moved it slightly further back but that is not really important.

[astral haven]

expect some gurgling when you first turn on the pc, that will happen regardless of how you mount it, this mount should minimize it tho, and prevent it from coming back on its own

[sharp badger]

Also something weird is in the Tech specs on the G22C it says max 32GB ram but on the main page it says up to 64GB lol

[astral haven]

yikes

[old marlin]

the max config they offer might be 32gb

[astral haven]

true

[old marlin]

ah wait

nvm

sodimm

[astral haven]

that doesnt make sense tho

[old marlin]

no upgradability

[astral haven]

what

[old marlin]

ah wait

💀

so dimm ddr5

don't buy

[astral haven]

https://www.amazon.com/Crucial-4800MHz-Laptop-Memory-CT32G48C40S5/dp/B09RVNMGFH

[old marlin]

yea

but it is cucked by speed

[astral haven]

🤷 just be patient

camm is better for speed, but sodimm can be competitive with regular dimm

[old marlin]

nope

sodimm is severly capped

[astral haven]

whats different about ddr5

on ddr4 you could actually tune sodimm faster

[old marlin]

does higher speeds in general

so getting fast sodimm to run is actually difficult

you can buy a 6400mhz kit

but it might just not work

esp with how well intel handles high speed ddr5 atm

[astral haven]

yes but the shorter traces you can get with sodimm can be tuned to work

the point is its just more expensive vs regular dimms

[old marlin]

apparently does worse than the longer trances on reg ram

[astral haven]

compared to camm

but if you slotted sodimm the same as a regular dimm it would be the same

the difference in capabilities is bc the vendors dont care to tune the sodimms

[sharp badger]

Ain't going to buy that G22C just want to buy a good handheld 👨‍💻

[astral haven]

its not inherent to the format itself besides camm being better and existing

camm ally when

id be also interested in camm on desktop with insanely close clearance between cpu and the module

like theres the entire width of the camm socket between am5 and the ddr5 slots

lga1700 doesnt seem to be better

[tulip furnace]

How I connect this than 😂

Or I need this one?

[empty wren]

Thanks Asus this is quite useful but I do not think it drained too much this time around.

[cursive summit]

https://piunikaweb.com/2023/07/26/youtube-forcing-users-to-enable-watch-history-to-show-video-recommendations/

Weird change from their end

[crimson wigeon]

Sounds like a feature, maybe now it actually really disables your history, instead of just hiding it from you

Oh wait my reading comprehension is bad. But why would anyone want random videos? I sometimes stare at the frontpage (or trending) when not logged in and it's just pure cancer

[tulip furnace]

Look good?

[gusty kiln]

kek, what product?

I would go 27" just because scaling to 1080p is will decent looking at 27"

32" is generally the sweet spot for 4k for monitor use

without changing windows scaling

140 ppi still better than 27"1440p

which is the mainstream atm

https://www.reddit.com/r/headphones/comments/15lt7zw/rtings_to_review_hifiman_arya_stealth_immediately/

Classic Hifiman

everyday I'm slowly ruling out the Arya Organic for my big upgrade

[astral haven]

lol

[gusty kiln]

actually quite a few kilo-buck headphones are super efficient now

[astral haven]

except class a says nothing about raw power

[gusty kiln]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQj7-GZX4k4

clay bugatti

[mild dome]

https://tenor.com/view/piracy-its-a-crime-you-wouldnt-steal-a-car-you-wouldnt-steal-a-handbag-you-wouldnt-steal-a-mobile-phone-you-wouldnt-steal-a-dvd-gif-20041955

[misty saffron]

nobody wants to use windows scaling is the problem

it is very shit

[astral haven]

@gusty kiln the xreal beam can play back 4k60 on youtube if you jailbreak it

[astral haven]

And I mean natively on the device without casting

[cursive summit]

https://appuals.com/ryzen9-8950x-score/

Is RGT still lumped with MLID in terms of false information?

[ashen spindle]

What random sites do you find these write ups on lol

[cursive summit]

What you've never heard of Appuals? It's like Google levels of famous dood

Nah idk it just landed on my feed, headline caught my eye

Not sure about the source though, I have not heard much about RGT

Tbf I trust CPU rumours more than GPU rumours nowadays, those always miss whereas CPUs have had meaningful improvements per-gen

[ashen spindle]

Ehh rgt doesn’t really have sources he just find stuff online so it’s more like a daily update if you don’t scour the internet

Just without any sanity check if it makes sense or where it’s from

So not as wild as mild

[raw zephyr]

does anyone know a tech podcast that covers latest news?

like once a week or something

[analog sinew]

i only trust userbenchmark Kappa

[ashen spindle]

In what area of tech/how deeply knowledgeable about it?

Level1 techs do they weekly news coverage including a tech segment

[cursive summit]

What's the docs name I forgot, he used to work for anandtech at some point

dr. Kutler or someshit like that

[ashen spindle]

Ian cuttres

[old marlin]

wanshow?

gn weekly recap thing?

[halcyon moss]

top of the line cpus are nice i guess.. im more intested in the affordable ones :p

[halcyon moss]

wanshow is soooo looong

[old marlin]

yea

[ashen spindle]

New ones make older ones affordable:p

[old marlin]

gn weekly recap is short

[severe phoenix]

https://preview.redd.it/1ej15ozeszgb1.jpg?auto=webp&s=20eca34473b010aff518f27cb9e2e0845ab3e8c3

[fair gull]

its milkbride

[old marlin]

how many times will you post about it again

it will just be a GPX but USB-C and 2khz

would be willing to bet on that

[old marlin]

aka within 5% of weight of GPX

no

it's logitech

so there are oodles of leaks

no

shape is bad

also won't be 200

price was already leaked

was 169€ with 19% vat iirc

[crude hatch]

I like the GPX shape but have moved on to ergo shapes since its release so I dont know if I can go back if the biggest seeling point is just usb-c

[old marlin]

biggest selling point is 2khz

if that doesn't matter to you don't buy it

wdym

just buy some dev boards

make a custom firmware

https://www.overclock.net/threads/8khz-wireless.1791955/

and you can get 8khz wireless on a g305

never

qsxcv also prob won't work at any mouse company any time soon

[crude hatch]

razer viper mini SE has 8k wireless

final mouse is also advertising it but that one is more of a wait and see

[old marlin]

agreed

[wide pollen]

just a note, if you are looking to buy one of these for games - most of videogames dont support that frequency and will freak out a lot

[old marlin]

most games support that frequency

just know how to set up your OS right

• if you got a 144hz display won't be worth it

1khz mice are very good specifically for those

[crude hatch]

you could argue that SOME dont, but I dont think saying most is a good one to make

[old marlin]

most do

[wide pollen]

setting up your OS wont help if the game engine itself can not handle 8 khz

[old marlin]

but most game engines do

and are just kneecapped by shit setups

so people claim it is the games fault

apex for example

where their fucking technical director claimed 1khz is a problem

mind oyu input wise apexis basically 1:1 to csgo

where people used 8khz on release

in a more scuffed form

still 8khz

[wide pollen]

Does CS:GO support 8khz? afaik it doesnt work well

[old marlin]

it does

[rough osprey]

old Minecraft doesn't seem to support it

[restive agate]

You guys know what mouse skates are best for gpx?

[crude hatch]

I really like Esports Tiger Ice skates for it

[old marlin]

any bets on how old this software is

[fair gull]

6yrs

unless thats not the hp one

[raw zephyr]

gen9 proliant that's like 2014-15

[old marlin]

cheater

[fair gull]

sorry ill not use it next time i need it

lol

tbf i downloaded the wrong one

cause i only later realised its for gen9

[old marlin]

lol

yea had one with a corrupted intelligent provisioning

first time that happened

[fair gull]

one day ill buy a g9

wonder if i can ever just get a current gen server

[old marlin]

if you are made of cash

sure

[fair gull]

im not thats the issue

[old marlin]

server refuses to load the file from the stick

[reef patrol]

DRM intensifies? Or not written correctly?

[old marlin]

there is no DRM

and I wrote it with the tool supplied by HP

redid it even

checksum of the ISO is also correct

[old marlin]

yea exactly

I would try DVD

but I don't think I have a blank DVD anywhere

[reef patrol]

Could make take the stick as it is now and turn that into an ISO, then use a linux bootloader of some kind to fake a DVD drive boot?

[old marlin]

quite scuffed

also not sure what exactly is on that ISO

[reef patrol]

Quite Scuffed was my middle name when working as a PC tech. So many laptops and weird office desktops with odd limitations and restrictions, forcing us to use various boot tools.

[old marlin]

I'll try to upload the ISO via ilo

have not had much success with that

but ig worth a shot

[fair gull]

oh god isos in ilo

my nightmare

[old marlin]

yea

this is my life now

[fair gull]

i pray for you to survive the torture

[old marlin]

oh actually quite quick

since it is just 1gb

[fair gull]

at least your web view works

g8 ilo web view doesnt work

[old marlin]

yea the html5 one is only somewhat buggy

[fair gull]

cause it uses ancient tech

[old marlin]

g8 ilo also works

bit more buggy

[fair gull]

never got an image

[old marlin]

huh

worked pretty well for me typically

actually does shit now

[fair gull]

scuffed extension based shit

the java console never worked at all

and the integrated .net tried to but never showed anything

[old marlin]

it had the html5 one

which worked

[fair gull]

nope

[old marlin]

did for me

[fair gull]

only has .net based, java based and mobile app

and i did check if theres any updates for it

also used the advance license i got with the server to activate it

maybe my ilo4 rom is just somehow corrupted

[old marlin]

[misty plaza]

am i allowed to change shipping country since i will be other country for at least 2months？

[fair gull]

you would need to reorder to change the shipping country. put the keyboard on hold if you are on vacation for an extended period

[misty plaza]

alright

thx

[cursive summit]

AYO https://www.tomshardware.com/news/5-year-old-radeon-rx-580-2048sp-gets-16gb-vram-upgrade

That's sick

Polaris makes an unexpected return

[old marlin]

but why

[crimson wigeon]

Y tho

[cursive summit]

Tbf it's still a capable card, Polaris was always noted for decent productivity performance or something like that

16GB and pair a bunch of em together, could be alright for doing rendering or something

[halcyon moss]

power efficiency wise.. probably not

[cursive summit]

RX580s were always really power efficient

[ashen spindle]

Ehhh

[halcyon moss]

compared to current cards?

[raw zephyr]

lol.

[crimson wigeon]

Rendering what?

[ashen spindle]

A 1060 was already more power efficient than it back then…

[raw zephyr]

https://mullvad.net/en/blog/2023/8/9/infrastructure-audit-completed-by-radically-open-security/

[little salmon]

Weren't Pascal cards like undervolted out of the box

[ashen spindle]

No just a big node shrink so they got good efficiency

[old marlin]

how are they undervolted if that is how they are specced

also yea pascal was more efficient than polaris

if they used the 590 then maaaaybe

since that was more efficient due to a node shrink

[little salmon]

I mean relative to the performance they could push

[old marlin]

so you mean they were pretty efficient?

[pale sigil]

Did I read that right

[little salmon]

Yeah I guess

[pale sigil]

They give 2 servers that have never been into production?

As a way to test?....

[crimson wigeon]

Yes

[pale sigil]

"During the test we found no logging of user activity data, however we have no way of validating whether the real
production machines are set up in the same way, due to lack of secure boot"

At least they found some troublesome things to be fixed but lol

RoS also asked whether they should investigate the source code of various binaries running on our systems, or whether they should take into consideration the hardware-level security. We declined both offers, stating that this is to be considered an “after the system is running and in-use by customers” audit.

Kek

[raw zephyr]

read the pdf

[old marlin]

https://tenor.com/view/eggman-announcement-speech-sonic-the-hedgehog-report-gif-16600754

[little salmon]

All glass mousepad users laugh at this rn

[gusty kiln]

Ooooo, tempting

[wheat plume]

THE DAY HAS FINALLY COME

DARK THEME ON SNAPCHAT

[final flame]

Basically admitting how shit quality their pads are

[old marlin]

that's a problem in general not just with fantech

it's fine for most pads

but kinda rng if it affects a weave or not

ik people that did

don't have anything to show you

safe bet is to not do it ig

ok

unlike the whale I know what an NDA is

I know multiple PMs that all don't recommend it due to internal testing

all of them saying it doesn't affect most pads

but still isn't recommended

[final flame]

The actual effect of a mouse pad in gaming performance has always been negligible, I have used lint rollers on my pads for years and never once noticed anything, if the residue is so small that you cant tell its there, does it really matter

[rough osprey]

mousepad community is crazy

[old marlin]

might affect your pad less though

the microscope testing:

[final flame]

I also cant see shit on the microscope photo on the tweet, if anything you may be mistaking reflections for residue

[old marlin]

singular image, not saying if this is before or after

not trying to discredit josh but he specifically only talked about one of their pads

bro you are taking the wrong conclusion

"it doesn't affect my pad" = dumbass

ok

doesn't affect every pad, josh was talking specifically about one of their pads, if you want to be safe don't use one

[final flame]

I cant see any residue or any damage from the "evidence" anyways, if you can barely tell with a microscope it should be a non concern

[old marlin]

the people that want an as low as possible way to repair their mousepad will be fine with it

[old marlin]

the damage is ripping apart parts of the weave, can't see it in that image

[final flame]

So yea, that image isnt even proof

Just have to take their word for it

[old marlin]

josh doesn't seem like someone that would lie about that

interacted with him for quite a while

[rough osprey]

i hope every artisan user here does this

[final flame]

Not to mention the act of simply rubbing your hand against the pad will technically "damage" the pad at a microscopic level

Put your clothes in a washer and dryer enough and you wont have any clothes left

[old marlin]

the problem is pulling on the weave

not as resistant against that

[fickle ore]

jesus christ, if you use lint roller on woven pad, it's super obvious it'd break the surface over time

how that affects tracking is another matter

[rough osprey]

Mousepads are single use items

always buy in bulk

[little salmon]

Yeah I throw my cloth pads away after every session

[rough osprey]

👍

[fickle ore]

nice to be rich ig?

[rough osprey]

gaming is an expensive hobby :/

[fickle ore]

lulz

[old marlin]

definitley an expandable one

[old marlin]

but a good pad lasts way over a year

like WAAAY over

[fickle ore]

more like 10 xD

[final flame]

Truly a skill issue

[old marlin]

if treated right, yea

[final flame]

Chances are you'll quit playing games before you actually wear through a mousepad

[little salmon]

As long as your skates aren't worn then you shouldn't have a problem

Heard that glass skates wear down cloth faster

Never tried them though

[rough osprey]

but mousepad community tells me to buy a different pad every 2 weeks

[little salmon]

Best advice is not listen to them xD

[rough osprey]

but the newest pad makes me best gamer

[little salmon]

I've gone through too many pads and the difference isn't as great for the average gamer lol

[final flame]

Statistic you're more likely to be annoyed by a hair on your mousepad than a microscopic fraying

[little salmon]

Can comfirm

[final flame]

Maybe should show actual evidence before falling onto logical fallacies

[rough osprey]

nah detergent too

i just find the sweat part funny

yeah its cropped

https://www.artisan-jp.com/artisan_maint_eng.html

[final flame]

The ironic thing is no matter how careful you are with not sweating it will get dirty regardless

[old marlin]

ph neutral body soap is fine

and a microfiber cloth

[boreal zodiac]

been using a lint roller on my artisan zero monthly for 3 years now and it hasn't exploded yet 🤷

[rough osprey]

wear a glove

[final flame]

"Mouse pads are consumables. We recommend you to exchange about three months as a standard." Lol

[rough osprey]

or the aimer version

[old marlin]

shidenkai moment

[rough osprey]

do you not do that?

[little salmon]

They literally tell you to buy two if you can

[gusty kiln]

just buy an XXXL pad and change spot every few months

[old marlin]

because people complained about shipping costs

[rough osprey]

i got them on da amazon subscription

[boreal zodiac]

also been hitting it with the vacuum cleaner + nylon bristles lol

stitching still fine

[final flame]

Mousepad people are even more ridiculous than I thought

[little salmon]

^

[old marlin]

if you want multiple artisan pads it might be cheaper to buy multiple from artisan with expensive shipping vs buying them from a local retailer

[final flame]

Is it fair to even consider them people anymore, compared to just saying they're NPCs

[gusty kiln]

also 100 yen is like .70 USD atm

[old marlin]

also the shidenkai did legit not last a year

discontinued now though

[gusty kiln]

so it'll end up being 2 pads for $100

[rough osprey]

how long does a g640 last

[old marlin]

yea vs like 140 from maxgaming

[old marlin]

limited by the non stitched edge

[little salmon]

Heard some people say the it wears fast

Dunno how true that is

[rough osprey]

seems to be a common pro pad

[old marlin]

comes down to how quick you wear the edge

[rough osprey]

but they probably got a lot of them

[gusty kiln]

Pros swap em out often

and they can get a truck load of em if they are sponsored

[old marlin]

there are pros with a stack of k120s

that just swap them out as soon as they act up

so uhh

yea

[gusty kiln]

except GSR enjoyers, they want that extra mud

[rough osprey]

whats the most sticky pad

[old marlin]

in what way

[final flame]

I mean when you have the sponsor you might as well replace the whole thing instead of cleaning it

I sure as hell would

[rough osprey]

where you need so much force to move from still that the mouse will move a few cm

[old marlin]

slowest pad I know of is one you can't get

[fickle ore]

just bc u heard some schizo change pad every 2 weeks doesnt mean there r people like that

u know its INTERNET

[old marlin]

it's a decade old korean one

[old marlin]

yea I think most people stick to very few ones

[fickle ore]

u can get it locally

[rough osprey]

the new whale seems slow

[gusty kiln]

also GSR 2 is out

[old marlin]

aka they already know what they one

[rough osprey]

from the slope test

[old marlin]

oh you mean the one that is just a gamesense clone?

with fake poron

the thing he has been complaining so much about

[rough osprey]

atleast he says its not poron

[fickle ore]

u guys ned jap porno pads

[old marlin]

still fake poron

[gusty kiln]

waiting for orange zero to be in stock

[rough osprey]

who even needs squish

[old marlin]

why is fake poron fine now

[fickle ore]

best combo now is
ULX + EM-C

[old marlin]

and wasn't before

[rough osprey]

does anyone make pad that's hard with fabric surface

[old marlin]

no

[rough osprey]

sad

[gusty kiln]

cuz they actually work now?

alpha cell actually sticks

[old marlin]

I know it works

the whale has just spent like the last year to tell people how shit fake poron is

[rough osprey]

can't they just put a fabric on a piece of plastic

[old marlin]

can't you?

just get an amundsen fabric sheet

spray glue it to a slab of whatever

done

[gusty kiln]

nice

[rough osprey]

i guess

[old marlin]

from what I have heard em-c is quite good

[rough osprey]

why is it not a product tho

[old marlin]

but idk

[rough osprey]

only hard glass now

[old marlin]

I know the people the thing is named after quite well so don't ask me

[old marlin]

nice control pad

[gusty kiln]

There are resin hard pads

[old marlin]

there used to be

only control hard pad that gets made rn is the tj exclusives one?

I think

quite expensive though

https://tjexclusives.com/product/cerapad-kin-gaming-mouse-pad/

this thing

[gusty kiln]

NPET SPEEDM Gaming Mousepad - Resin Surface Hard Gaming Mouse pad,Balanced Control & Speed, No Smell Waterproof Mouse Mat for Esports Gamers [Hard/Fast] RED M Size https://a.co/d/5gLal7K

Comes in weeb too

[old marlin]

thing is also tiny

[gusty kiln]

@old marlin you think a raiden would be too fast of a transition? been using a AC2 clone basically

hmmm

[old marlin]

prob

raiden is pretty fast

I like it a lot personally

[gusty kiln]

my thinking was to get the slowest and fastest artisan

ignore the inbetweens

[old marlin]

idk they are all quite different

a hien is not THAT much slower than a raiden

they feel completely different though

if you want a hien-ish experience there are quite a lot of deskmats with a similar surface

a bit smoother and finer grain

[gusty kiln]

I dislike the tugging feeling when making small left-right movements

which pad gets rid of that

[old marlin]

yea raiden mid will get you none of that

[gusty kiln]

ooo

[old marlin]

pretty fast though

only problem with artisan mid pads is that they don't stick to a table that much

xsoft will just stay there

wet a table with a lightly damp towel

and put it down on that

and it will stick

[halcyon willow]

What’s a good cheap artisan pad I can use?

[old marlin]

none of them are cheap

unless you happen to be in japan

zero starts at 50€ on maxgaming

actually hien does as well

[raw zephyr]

i want to try one of these, i just cannot justify spending that much

i wonder if the ceramic coating actually never wears down

[fleet onyx]

any good places/recs that make custom playes

[old marlin]

if it is cerakote I series I know you can put it on the inside of engines

[gusty kiln]

venus pro from LGG is an artisan clone and is only $38 atm

but it hasn't been as well recieved as the saturn pro

[cursive summit]

So, I am a bit curious

If you get a glass deskmat

Does it come folded or in a massive rectangular package?

Surely they haven't invented proper foldable glass yet

[gusty kiln]

https://youtube.com/shorts/MyHrnKdUX7I?feature=share

[cursive summit]

Yeah that's what I thought

Bit of a waste of packaging

But then again, you can't really fold glass

These things actually really heavy?

[astral haven]

neat!

hopefully available for end users not just ADP

[wheat plume]

damn the size is impressive

[halcyon moss]

What is an ice man?

[ashen spindle]

direct die block, so not on the IHS

[wheat plume]

hints in the name, I feel

🤔

[astral haven]

those arent even that big any more lol

[gusty kiln]

yeah we got bigger

[ashen spindle]

looks like the downfall fix is not fully stopping it, you might have to disable HT yikes

[gusty kiln]

https://www.servethehome.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/AMD-EPYC-Bergamo-Package-2.jpg

[wheat plume]

WOW

[gusty kiln]

https://www.servethehome.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/AMD-EPYC-9754-Bergamo-1.jpg

front shot

kek yeah

a solid nickle plated block of metal would have been better

[astral haven]

even intel with their single gigantic dies are making cpus of that size

[halcyon willow]

I wish that’s what she told me.

[wheat plume]

;)

[sharp badger]

1°C difference with the Thermalright frame 😅

[halcyon moss]

So you first need to pop that off and then stick something else on it? Wow...

[fickle ore]

EM-C

[sharp badger]

Yeah it's a hot chip 🔥

Could be that too the 12900KS had better results with the frame

[fickle ore]

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-inception-vulnerability-affects-zen-3-and-4

[cursive summit]

Pretty late on this one

Intel got one on the same day

[fickle ore]

u late

!

[wheat plume]

Stop fat-shaming Flatpaks, they are just a little but thicker!
Nick - 2023

https://youtu.be/IYXlgzrZRIE

[reef patrol]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAFVdFtfoCk

iMax but... better? Well in a sense.,

[cursive summit]

https://youtu.be/zrJZ3VYo3Xo

[cursive summit]

Mothercluckers

Windows, screw off

Graphics drivers SHOULD NOT be installed via windows updates

[astral haven]

lol just go with the company who validates their graphics drivers 😛

[wheat plume]

Samsung OneUI is getting a UI overhaul

[cursive summit]

And now I went with the compattool

This glitch is back

Fuck off

Can't even update drivers

I forgot how I fixed this before

There should a driver window there

Essentially, current driver, what's the new driver

Look for driver, download, etc

It's not there

Cause fuck you windows

[astral haven]

eh whatever, just as long as i get more features without decreasing battery life

[wheat plume]

It looks like FlymOS now....

[astral haven]

amd is the one that has the responsibility to deliver the drivers properly
its actually set by amd how the drivers get deployed

[cursive summit]

Seems to be related to gardening

[wheat plume]

It's the UI on some Chinese brand

[astral haven]

HP for example set a driver update that one of our printers we deployed uses to update if the version is the same as the current version

[cursive summit]

Don't get me started on Dell

Absolutely trash drivers

[astral haven]

so all of our computers that have the current version of that driver will endlessly loop installing that driver

fortunately for us, it doesnt do anything
if it did however we would use the update tool wushowhide.diagcab

[wheat plume]

Wtf

Keyboard spam?

[astral haven]

me?

[cursive summit]

Reinstalling those damn AMD drivers

So, they keep advertising FSR2

Anyone heard anything on FSR3?

Been a little bit, near a year since they talked about it

Must be having troubles getting it to work eh

I guess it's quite a bit of work, since they have to add it to their SDKs and stuff

But still, they showcased it last year with "great results" and.. still not a mention on it

Cause they didn't say anything about it for like 8 months now

They missed their deadlines as well

Bit concerning but, whatever

The only reason I am interested jn FSR3 is cause it's not tied to CUDA hardware

So my RX5700 might get some extra years of life in some games

Seems that they must have started working on it like last year and showed us some scuffed ass pre-rendered "represents expected results" benchmarks

And they are trying to cobble it up asap

[astral haven]

fsr3 that doesnt run on a dedicated ai engine will absolutely not get close to 2x in almost any scenario that anyone cares about

[cursive summit]

50% is already more than good enough for just a toggle switch

[astral haven]

sure
but people complain about the latency of nvidias solution

nvidias solution is running on a unit near a thousand times faster than the v100 in that same workload

[rough osprey]

cant they just release the 6362736723637 TFlops gpu for 12bucks

[astral haven]

yep and saying they have something is not the same as actually having it lol

[cursive summit]

AMD and Nvidia are doing this weird Apple - Samsung thing

Nvidia (Apple) innovates

And AMD (Samsung) laughs at them in PR, then copies

Which is just so weird

[astral haven]

except samsung is competitive because they sell better hardware due to their better profit margins

despite the technical debt they carry because of the less they focus on software

[rough osprey]

who did they copy big l3 cache from

[astral haven]

ibm

[cursive summit]

What does IBM even do nowadays

Like, it's prolly a bigger tech giant that most companies

[astral haven]

most financial transactions outside of the stock market

[cursive summit]

But I have not heard anyone ever mention them anytime lately

They seem to work in shadows

[astral haven]

yes?

[cursive summit]

If they are so leading edge in a lot of technological spaces, I sure don't hear much about their inventions

[astral haven]

ibm got beat down so hard by a company culture of pretending to be not a monopoly that they vanished completely

[ashen spindle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDtaanCENbc&t=1s

[astral haven]

they were almost Bell labbed

and they overcompensated

ibm sells individal quantum computers that contain more qbits than basically everyone else has ever sold combined

and every financial transaction that you have made via credit, debit, or ach has almost certainly gone through an ibm mainframe

[daring pilot]

how do i get sponsored

[cursive summit]

The few tech spaces I know IBM does leading edge innovations are in quantum and semiconductor afaik

[cursive summit]

Get good

[astral haven]

lol what else do you want them to do?

remember watson?

[cursive summit]

Yeah but even then I don't remember when was the last time I heard about IBM inventing something new in semiconductor field

I heard that they were trying to go sub-atomic and like borderline successfully but that was years back

[astral haven]

they have their hands in all of the new nodes?

what more do you want

theres nothing sexy about what exactly they do lmao since 2% increase in the stability of the euv beams or whatever aint making headlines any time soon

[ashen spindle]

look at dr cuttress ibm videos there are a lot of them in the last two years

from 2nm to qbit systems for everyone to use

[astral haven]

https://patents.google.com/patent/US20230230927A1/en

they were awarded 25 patents for various things since the begining of the year

AMD has received 1

intel 47

nvidia 11

^

except its even less than that

you dont hear about the manufacturing firms that sell screws to car brands

[ashen spindle]

just like the average person might hear about amd/nvidia but has no clue what ASML is

or what places zeiss orders from to make the mirrors for asml

[astral haven]

heck i bet you couldnt name the company that supplies all the atomically pure tin used in all of the euv machines
i know i cant, and i would have a bit of trouble finding it out

[ashen spindle]

no but I can tell you asml is having a tin magamenet division that is hiring currently lol

[raw zephyr]

@fair gull any idea why i get super bad hdd throughput on lxc? i mount a zfs dataset that i setup inside proxmox to a lxc where i setup smb/nfs shares, i get 15MB/s writes over samba, i'm not able to figure out the issue

my only idea is to set noatime

[fair gull]

depends on media you use and raid setup

depending on raid you may need an extra drive just for caching writes

[cursive summit]

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/08/08/nvidia-reveals-new-ai-chip-says-cost-of-running-large-language-models-will-drop-significantly-.html

Nvidia’s GH200 has the same GPU as the H100, Nvidia’s current highest-end AI chip, but pairs it with 141 gigabytes of cutting-edge memory, as well as a 72-core ARM central processor.

“This processor is designed for the scale-out of the world’s data centers,” Nvidia CEO Jensen Huang said Tuesday.

The more you buy, the more you save

https://blog.mlc.ai/2023/08/09/Making-AMD-GPUs-competitive-for-LLM-inference

Rather competitive

Is 3090Ti still that good? Haven't heard anyone talk about it

Ngl it always did seem weird that AMD has so many less "cores" in their GPUs

Not that SPs are equivalent to CUs but, still, quite a bit less

@wheat plume you can actually use this to run LLM's on the Steam Deck, you fanatic

[fair gull]

"rather competitive" yeah if you have money burning in your furnace maybe

[shadow minnow]

I think Nvidia also kinda counts it as double

Since they count the ones that can be either fp32 or int32

So like when you utilize int32 as well it kinda goes to half

But when you do use only fp you do get the advertised number

[misty saffron]

shouldn't compare apples to oranges

[shadow minnow]

I mean if you half the number the performance isn’t crazy different despite the different architectures. But yeah true

[cursive summit]

That's what I said

AMD should make a big Navi though

And cut prices on the 7900 series

Big navi for 1200$ for 4090 levels of perf would be sick

[ashen spindle]

They had a big gpu stick but that’s the n40 the we now know got canned

But for data center the fight lies with Mi300 not rdna anyway

But if you think amd is giving you 4090 performance at a discount you are quite wrong

[old marlin]

has to be just cheap enough for people to consider switching to it

[ashen spindle]

No they need to have the biggest flagship for people to switch

Better value doesn’t mean shit because consumers have no brain

Seems current plan is get solid IP out with rdna4 for midrange and mostly APUs before next Nvidia generation then big stick rdna5 comparatively shortly after

[raw zephyr]

16tb sata hdd, 1tb sata ssd cache, but from what i'm reading the ssd cache is kind of pointless with only 32gb of ram

i'll check the pool on host when i get home, but it's rather strange that it does that

debian lxc - 2 vcores, 2gb ram; i shouldn't need to allocate more ram to the lxc, it should just use the host's ram right? since i just use mountpoints to access it from a privileged lxc

[fair gull]

the write would happen on the container

not the host

[raw zephyr]

that makes sense indeed

i'll retest when i get home today, thanks

[cursive summit]

https://youtu.be/LgeZc-o-BTg

That looks.. good

[wheat plume]

https://youtube.com/shorts/Q38IjzscU-Q

This looks.. Wrong

[halcyon moss]

haha, good joke

[fair gull]

why good joke?

[halcyon moss]

by samsung?

[fair gull]

https://www.samsung.com/uk/try-galaxy-on-your-phone/

i mean its a real thing

not a joke

[cursive summit]

Never actually looked into which OS is better

[fair gull]

its literally meant to allow iphone users to experience oneui 5

[cursive summit]

Do peeps like iOS or oneUI more?

Which one is objectively better

[fair gull]

i like stock android more

[cursive summit]

Idk, cause I don't plan to ever field either Apple or Sammy phones

[wheat plume]

I want stock Android UI but with OneUI features

[cursive summit]

Sony

[fair gull]

yes

sony good phones

[cursive summit]

Like what, Bixby?

🤢

[fair gull]

yes the bixby button

[wheat plume]

well, except bixby xd

and the clone samsung apps

[fair gull]

so you want oneui

[wheat plume]

and the microsoft apps

[fair gull]

without oneui

[wheat plume]

I want OneUI but looks and feels like stock android

[fair gull]

then its not oneui

[wheat plume]

i know

[fair gull]

oneui isnt the apps preloaded on the phone

its just the ui ontop of android

[wheat plume]

I want stock android with more features basically

basically I want a custom ROM LOL

the feature custom roms have to skip songs using the volume keys when the phone screen is off is so so nice

and so much other features

[fair gull]

i thought android had an api specifically to allow apps to control what volume buttons do for long pressing

[wheat plume]

yeah when in the app

not when the phone is locked with the screen off xd

[fair gull]

shouldnt matter what state the phone is in as the api just dispatches an event of a long press has occured

[spring drum]

i love you

[fair gull]

wha

[cursive summit]

I love you too

Tf is a "premium" APU

For high budget ultrabooks and such?

This naming scheme is hella weird

Starlak is what is really interesting for me though

If they release an APU that can run games at 1080p high with features like FSR2/3 and raytracing or something like that.. that is exactly what we have been hoping for, for years now

An APU that you can slot in with no need for a GPU for all the tasks

[ashen spindle]

It’s still Sarlak not Starlak

Also nothing new from when you last posted it

[cursive summit]

Just saw this https://videocardz.com/newz/hybrid-12-core-config-of-amd-ryzen-8000-strix-point-apu-seemingly-confirmed-by-leaked-screenshots

Ngl the 40CU model is really interesting

And they are really planning to have one up to a TDP of 120W?

That's RTX 4060 mobile TDP

And if my calculations are right, 40CUs is actually more stream processors than RTX 4060 mobile

That would be insane if you could have that sort of performance with an APU

[ashen spindle]

Comparing gpu „cores“ from an amd apu to a Nvidia gpu tells you nothing

[halcyon moss]

vex being vex

[cursive summit]

It's in the name

[halcyon moss]

anyway, that sarlak would be a very nice gaming laptop powered over usbc

[cursive summit]

What's the current USB-C power delivery limit?

Like 150W or something?

[halcyon moss]

100w and the newer does like 240w

[cursive summit]

Memory says 100W

[halcyon moss]

but.. those are the limits

[cursive summit]

But I know that chinese have been doing more on their phones

With those "ultra fast charges"

What's the current charging limit on Xiaomis, like 120W?

[halcyon moss]

and that is insane

[cursive summit]

Actually, no it seems

Most current gen Xiaomis cap out at 64W

With others being as little as 18W

That's a bit.. weird

[old marlin]

mine does 67

[cursive summit]

They had a thing going there with that ultra fast charge thing

[old marlin]

is a poco x4

ik they had ones at over 100

the redmi note 12 pro plus 5g (great name) is 120W

https://www.gsmarena.com/xiaomi_redmi_note_12_discovery-11953.php

this thing charges at 210W even

[cursive summit]

How is that even safe for the battery

[old marlin]

idk

prob only does that burst at a low state of charge?

ik that is how it works on mine

[ashen spindle]

https://twitter.com/TechPowerUp/status/1689603230097924098?s=20 ewaste Cores at it again

TechPowerUp (@TechPowerUp)

Atlas Fallen Optimization Fail: Gain 50% Additional Performance by Turning off the E-cores https://t.co/jFoGEwUdkD

Twitter · Aug 10, 2023, 11:42 AM

[crimson wigeon]

Ewaste?

[ashen spindle]

I think they are e-waste for the most part on desktop

[shadow minnow]

Desktop mostly yeah, apart from for low power PCs

[ashen spindle]

No even on low power desktops

[shadow minnow]

Eh I’d argue it can make sense on them if you are doing web browsing and such only

[ashen spindle]

No? Just use the normal cores

[shadow minnow]

Aren’t they less efficient

[ashen spindle]

You don’t have to run chrome at 5ghz full load so doesn’t really matter

[shadow minnow]

Well sure but I’d imagine some power gets saved if the p cores can go to sleep

Which can make a difference if you’re running of like a portable battery
Oh also I meant more of like mini PCs that are also portable

[ashen spindle]

Just don’t have ecores there and you saved more in silicon cost than the extra electricity will cost lol

Mobile deceives sure, laptops only because might matter for battery in the long run

Desktop I don’t think there’s benefit

[shadow minnow]

Hmm yeah true tbh, desktops no, I’d say just portable, either laptops or portable mini PCs where the battery life can make a difference

[gusty kiln]

https://www.techpowerup.com/312237/amd-strix-point-companys-first-hybrid-processor-4p-8e-es-surfaces

Amd also dabbling on e-cores apparently

[ashen spindle]

No it’s the compact cores that Bergamo uses for the 128core skus

So same core just lower frequency and less l3 cache

No missing instructions or anything

[gusty kiln]

Ahhh

[ashen spindle]

Which also means they might not even need a hardware thread director like intel and just let the OS assign it

Since worst case you still get similar cores

[old marlin]

is that just the extra cache being freed up

[ashen spindle]

Idk

There is a chance it’s also just general issues from too many cores and not e cores specifically

[old marlin]

wtf

have a raid 10 on 2 hp servers

same model of drive and everything

but on one the logical size is only half of what it should be

8 4TB drives

one is at 16 total

one is at 8 total

[fair gull]