amd made a chip for a canned low power surface design so when valve came to amd they already had the specs and did minor changes to it, most parts of that were already done
#🔌│tech
ashen spindle
vagrant pagoda
wut
ashen spindle
would valve have made the extra payment and gotten something designed if that wasnt available? maybe. would we have gotten a worse steamdeck with a binned laptop chip instead? maybe. we don't really know that
ashen spindle
no its not fully custom but there isn't another apu thats just bigger than it with same specs
vagrant pagoda
modern silcon arcs are like legos basicly
very little is done custom for skus
deck is the exact same tech and fab used for series s and x
cursive summit
wheat plume
FF Named?
vagrant pagoda
final fantasy
wheat plume
:') Vangogh, pheonix
ashen spindle
they have different cache sizes and such, as well as both console apus have slight extra variations like ps5 has different gpu blocks
vagrant pagoda
deck is Aerith
ashen spindle
but yes they are otherwise very similar
wheat plume
It shows up in some games as Van Gogh...
vagrant pagoda
It shows up in some games as Van Gogh...
that valves name
ashen spindle
yes its van gogh and got renamed to aerith when MS did not want it anymore
vagrant pagoda
amds codename is aerith
halcyon willow
jept
vagrant pagoda
yes its van gogh and got renamed to aerith when MS did not want it anymore
source on that?
ashen spindle
because they canned the surface line that would have used it, why idk
vagrant pagoda
that isnt a source
ashen spindle
I mean I'm not going to find posts from 2021 when that was getting leaked from the people who have 100% or such trackrecords for industry pipelines
vagrant pagoda
i cant even google it
ashen spindle
or do you just mean the name change part
vagrant pagoda
cant find anyhrting that says it was a ms product
ashen spindle
ofc not
ashen spindle
because it was never publically announced and got stopped before that
this is the earliest from 2020 when we first got the code name
ashen spindle
yes bc at that point we only had the info it existed, then rumours started what it could be for and then we didnt see it and then we heard it went into the steamdeck and a bit before that it was getting out that it was a surface product originally
ashen spindle
yes that can still be true?
vagrant pagoda
they wanted to make a whole portable handheld market and they did
it was never a handme down
ive never seen anything that said it was
only the opposite
ashen spindle
I mean I can't offer you direct sources as I'm not working in any place where this would be known nor am I in any way getting leaks from people directly so I'm basing it on supply chain analysts and such that have good track records and are not like MLID or such ¯_(ツ)_/¯ so I can't really fault you for not believing my words alone
vagrant pagoda
also kind of a reason why the decks die has amd on it
and ms and sony dont
valve had no where near the money to actual afford custom sku
ashen spindle
the custom engraving isn't really that expensive or hard so they'd do that for any bigger order
wheat plume
The Deck APU has the Valve logo on it
vagrant pagoda
yeah but ms and sony dont really credit amd at all
vagrant pagoda
The Deck APU has the Valve logo on it
it says powered by amd under it
wheat plume
true
ashen spindle
because they actually worked with them in the sense that the gpu in sony has custom functions and is like rdna1.x with some features from 2 and some from 3
vagrant pagoda
valve has AMD every where for the deck
wheat plume
It makes sense Valve uses AMD cause their drivers are already part of the kernel on Linux
and the GPU drivers too
vagrant pagoda
i mean
amd works with both sony and ms for hardware/drive support on conolses
it would impossible to write a modern driver without having also made the chips
vagrant pagoda
because they actually worked with them in the sense that the gpu in sony has cus...
5 is based on rdna 2
ashen spindle
no there are more differences
and follow up posts mentions different WGP arrangement like rdna1 does it
gusty kiln
AMD's guidance suggests that the earnings tomorrow will be meh. Hope to add more shares but I doubt it'll go low enough to matter
ashen spindle
I think amd will go up with more laptop wins maybe and once mi300 rolls out/bergamo, dont think too much should happen right now
intel did some weird booking that makes me thing next quarter could be bad again
bc intel is up in revenue but only because they got like 2b back in taxes or something when having bit less thana billion in loss lol
nvidia could be going up even more lol
gusty kiln
I think amd will go up with more laptop wins maybe and once mi300 rolls out/berg...
mobile has been frustrating for AMD
ashen spindle
yeah didnt help that their apus got delayed
gusty kiln
but yeah Nvidia is the market share leader in 2 huge sectors now
and the new X3D mobile stuff is an exclusive for ASUS
ashen spindle
meh thats niche enough to not matter for anything really
some mindshare I guess if it slaps performance
gusty kiln
also where the fuck is AMD at with Samsung and that whole exynos shit
lol first impressions was bad
ashen spindle
well that's samsungs node fucking it up lol
but deal is still going to maybe better next attempt
gusty kiln
ashen spindle
but since its licensing idk how much amd cares about it if samsung screws up
gusty kiln
hmmm yeah
wheat plume
I just noticed, you cant use the headphone jack if its docked
cause the dock would block the headphone port
thick elk
I wonder what the sales figures of the Ally even are, I kind of feel like windows based pc handhelds are really not going on a break through anytime soon.
Even if they give it attention it would require substantial effort. I feel like linux based systems have much better cards right now, except for some anti-cheat compatibility
Which from my personal use is less important for the type of games played on a handheld.
for standby / quick resume, windows needs a lot of work and honestly not having that is kind of a dealbreaker on it's own.
Handhelds are often used in shorter bursts so being able to put your system down and rely on it not draining and the game properly resuming is very important.
Does not seam easy to fix.
ashen spindle
ehh I dont know if quick resume needs a lot of work, doesnt xbox have that or a similar thing?
thick elk
Xbox doesn't run the same windows shell / compositor, probably more easy to get reliable on a trimmed down system like that.
ashen spindle
should be possible to add as a gamemode or similar though so that handhelds could use that
and if they finish the ABK merger they have more reasons for it too
thick elk
I think the problems have more to do with windows the desktop environment than windows the kernel, and xbox does not run the same desktop.
ashen spindle
but should be possible to add it like a toggle feature where you can boot into it or perhaps even just over a low overhead VM thing
thick elk
Either way the standby issues are known problems for quite some time, gpu drivers could also be a problem here outside of microsoft's control.
If it really is relatively easy to solve without breaking things I really hope they would have done it ages ago.
ashen spindle
wait is that fixing the mismatched issues for multiple screens that I thought would be driver issues since linux also seems to have it?
wheat plume
On xorg
If you have two different refresh rate displays...it'll run both at the lowest refresh rate while in games
Really annoying :/
Since xorg is basically displaying one image split between two displays
And not treating them as separate displays behind the scenes
If you have an AMD GPU
I think that issue is fixed since you can use Wayland
But Wayland on Nvidia isn't very stable .-. Cause Nvidia drivers aren't open so it's up to Nvidia to support Wayland better and they won't
thick elk
you could get it to work but on xorg by using different sessions per monitor but that brings it's own can of worms such as not being able to move windows between them.
wheat plume
Yeh :/
thick elk
Then there is people saying there is no reason why X should be replaced by https://wayland.social...
wheat plume
Xd
As long as Nvidia continue to be asshats about their drivers
It won't die
I'm predicting a fork of Wayland designed to get around the limitations of the Nvidia drivers
So that it will mostly work
Implement hacky workarounds because they can't edit the drivers directly
wheat plume
Xd
misty saffron
lmao what
pale sigil
Who isn't
halcyon willow
how is it still better than mine
astral haven
are you sure it is?
halcyon willow
yeah lol
pale sigil
Who wants to see a painful picture
halcyon willow
US
astral haven
this is in the middle of a pretty decent sized town in the US
pale sigil
halcyon willow
nah im kidding lol, my internet now is alright but it was faster
we had fiber but decided to switch because of cost reasons
astral haven
to be entirely fair this is in MB/s not mbps because my speedtest app is broken, but its actually awful
fortunately this is a backup connection and the primary connection that has yet to be installed is 300/20
also this is an LTE connection using absolutely ancient lte category 2 modem
pale sigil
The shit just boosts it
astral haven
i wonder how they did it?
uh chrome?
interesting
does it block those new apple ads?
and i mean on ios obviously it can on macos
yea thats an available feature
but i would have imagined that when you are required to use the built in web engine on IOS you would be more limited in blocking apple ads?
apple ads are pretty rare tho, not even sure they are available outside of apps
do you actually do over 2k searches/mo?
wow
i wonder if i can figure out (easily) how many ive done on google
hmm that seems rather steep
probably scales with users?
yes but thats damn expensive
for them to be paying i mean
astral haven
imgur is $0.00024 per request for example for full size images, aws provides a text relational database at 20c/million requests + fixed monthlies for speed and capacity
seems that kagi provides 30 results from a sample size of 1 by the default search, 3 of which were images
even at imgur pricing, thats .007$ per search
however their image search handes a ton more requests, seems like it would be a decent amount more money
maybe they are averaging all search types?
hah funny coincidence, google gave me 24 images and orion gave me 42 images for the same arbitrary image search
yea orion definetly is a better product, but it is a substantial amount of money
welllllll
performance for text ais is very subjective
🤷 thats an opinion
i prefer google's ai since its always available and provides a significantly better answer per dollar i paid
nah actually google pays me to use it 😛
understandable
i wish google would make it easier for me to figure out how many google searches ive done
it keeps saying it sent a verification code to my non google email, but i havent received it
38 searches in the past 4 days on my personal, i could get away with their most basic plan
im pretty sure i do more than 10 ai searches a month
about 1 in every 3 searches i do on google i use the ai result
yea at work all of my stuff we have redocumented internally so that we have perpetual answers for all of the stuff we use
oh wow google approximately pays me for searching as much as kagi charges
they do pay me in fake money tho
coarse cloak
this is cool
astral haven
i am sad about the bottle shrink tho 😦
true quest
people actually like Arizona?
i drink one every hour
astral haven
that sounds deadly?
true quest
...dear god
there's more
crisp granite
tbh you're probably just type 2 diabetic
obese
and pump insulin like no tomorrow
just to manage that kind of sugar consumption
either that or you're a freak of nature
true quest
tbh you're probably just type 2 diabetic
obese
and pump insulin like no tomorrow
i was raised on a mexican diet
i am immune to diabetes
crisp granite
...meanwhile my ashkenaz diet has predisposed me to fuckin heart attacks
true quest
(i will die of high blood pressure tonight)
empty wren
No it will be the crippling medical debt cuz you live in the US
coarse cloak
yeah its related to this stuff https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ai-companies-biden-user-safeguards/ https://twitter.com/matei_zaharia/status/1681467961905926144
they dont wanna make gpt any better for the time being for example
snow swift
halcyon willow
It will never get past me
fair gull
its how the fbi/cia hires people to spy on everyone
echo osprey
its alright personally i couldnt main it even tho i LOVED the mini rocking the pulsar x2 mni rn
i think it was mainly because of the weight
i couldnt get a proper grip on it with myself mentally holding it softly
same with starlights
the smalls are just too light lol
i dont grip them properly even with my insanely tiny hands lol
id used it for ab 2 weeks
mainly ive been using 60g mice
raw zephyr
i have an alice board, it feels the same as using a normal board for me, but i have good typing habits
echo osprey
the main that id used before that was a superlight
ive kinda tried a lot of different manufaturers mice
i have around 20 from testing
i got the pulsar x2 recently (ab 2 weeks ago) and have been loving it
its probably gonna be my main for a while cause of the way that it fits my hands well
im gonna attempt to get the ultralight in med later on today
i was used to the mouse (shape from the mini) and based on the weight it was forcing my hadn into a different angle of holding it
because of how light it was and how it was messing with my brain in not holding it how i normally would the 60 g other one
echo osprey
having tried without the grips and with the grips it could just be far to light for me for how small the mouse is
raw zephyr
i can 3d print half of it and solder the other half
yeah looks pretty nice
you just flash qmk on this one and it works
yep
this one also looks nice, https://shop.beekeeb.com/product/pre-soldered-3w6-keyboard/
way too compact rofl
wheat plume
fair gull
https://youtu.be/y4Jahj-nO5k
so we redicussing the known theoretical attack vectors? and some have been used now?
shocker
wheat plume
ikr
fair gull
idk why that video was needed ngl
raw zephyr
https://youtu.be/y4Jahj-nO5k
i can't stand this guy, he's so annoying
wheat plume
LOL
fair gull
i should have become a youtuber who revisits old topics without much new information
raw zephyr
pair it with a clickbaity title, flashy thumbnail, annoying voice/expression and you are set for life and 3 generations down the road
reef patrol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjRsvQHo2CE
Sorry. There is one only acceptable version of this.
frozen ingot
cursive summit
The copyright rights on that stuff are iffy
reef patrol
It's more a case of "no one bothers fighting YT's AI song system"
cursive summit
But UMG most likely is just as always abusing the system
reef patrol
While all of these could be won in court, no ones going to be trying to.
vagrant pagoda
The issue with Google being a media giant now is they can't risk pissing off media companies at all
They can't first media getting pulled from paid services
mild dome
Although its funny to get the AI to do parodies like this, you could put an "AI" cover of every song online allowing you to skirt copyright completely if it was allowed.
wheat plume
Linus has finally installed his Swimming Pool PC Cooling system
Running Furmark benchmark CPU and GPU are below 60C
ashen spindle
My non pool system also never exceeds 60c really 
ashen spindle
Yeah it’s a good idea if you have a pool already but nothing too special aside from it
halcyon moss
it does nothing to heat the pool probably
ashen spindle
Big reservoir and just heat exchange basically to cool the system not to heat to pool
I doubt the plan was to use it for heating haha
halcyon moss
true
cursive summit
wheat plume
it does nothing to heat the pool probably
1C every 9.3 days at full capacity :')
halcyon moss
1C every 9.3 days at full capacity :')
and you loose all that immediately to the environment
wheat plume
yep
halcyon moss
so it does nothing 🙂
wheat plume
yep!
well, technically it does heat the pool.
but because of other forces, it doesnt end up getting hotter
ashen spindle
That’s a good thing it’s supposed to cool the servers firstly xD
wheat plume
and it very much does!
they even have a few small rocks in there to make it more interesting
jk, they didnt install a filter yet 
gusty kiln
I need to get around and make a ducting route from my pc exhaust to the window
Probably need some 3d printed brackets as interfaces
old marlin
it does nothing to heat the pool probably
I mean they did the math lol
you can heat pools that way
it's just that the heat load is waaaay too low for that
ashen spindle
Yeah so practically it does nothing for the heating
old marlin
at least at this point
ashen spindle
Unless he starts a server farm in the garage lol
old marlin
if they convert the whole rack it might at least do a bit
ashen spindle
Nah that’s mostly networking gear they have not super high powerdraw
old marlin
it's like 4? systems atm
if they include the other gaming systems he has spread throughout the house prob like ~10 overall
ashen spindle
Oh right forgot they made the systems there and then use optical
old marlin
might start doing at least a bit at that point
aka
maybe a degree or two
not much but should be a measurable difference by that point
ashen spindle
Ehh still doubt in a day they would actually make a change, that pool has a massive amount compared to a regular reservoir
old marlin
yea I mean like hitting it with 100% load on all systems lol
vagrant pagoda
The heat loss to the ground it likely higher than the water lol
Because the coils are at the bottom of the pools slab
prime pasture
hay so my wooting 60he has input lag is it my pc or the keyboard
ashen spindle
pc or cable or something else you changed
prime pasture
the stock cable will work fine tho right?
ashen spindle
yes
prime pasture
so it is my pc
astral haven
probably? try another pc to check?
ashen spindle
reef patrol
Definitely going to get sued. But I love the tongue in cheek approach, even if it's not relevant.
reef patrol
How will they get sued?
Slander, misuse of trademarked logos et cetera.
I am not aware of Twitter being charged with endangering wildlife specifically?
Even ignoring what a tosser Musk is, if they did this to any respectable brand, they would absolutely demand it be taken down.
vagrant pagoda
That definitely falls under fair use as parody
gusty kiln
Only man-baby elon would sue over something like this, thus it will be sued
reef patrol
Changing the logo from a bird to an X has nothing to do with the very real issue of endangering animals.
Like I said it puts a very negative claim at the brand. This is not just fair use.
vagrant pagoda
The exact same ad they have used with real animals
reef patrol
Great. What did Twitter do as a brand to warrant this kind of slander?
What is being parodied here exactly that related to WWFs work? Where is the social criticism?
"fair use" is not a get out of trouble card.
vagrant pagoda
I mean it's patently true that Twitter is bad for the environment
Things that are bad for the environment cause less birds
Also consider Elon axed their carbon natural plans to save money
astral haven
also Elon doesnt hold copyright over the x, it is licensed under unicode to practically anyone who wants to use it, he would have to be defending the use of the bird logos of which there are many fair use arguments a wildlife preservation nonprofit could make
reef patrol
also Elon doesnt hold copyright over the x, it is licensed under unicode to prac...
He doesn't have to. They're using all of Twitter's trademarks from start to finish.
astral haven
read the entire message please
reef patrol
I did.
Context and intent matters massively in a situation like this, and WWF are clearly malicious.
lololol remember when Twitter were fucking over endangered wildlife?
No. No I do not. What the fuck are you doing, WWF.
astral haven
as there is no copyright argument, twitter would be fighting a significant uphill battle about that
remember twitter is no longer publicly owned, all the people who held to the end got their shares bought out by musk
and Musk has a pretty solid history of environmental disasters under his belt
I really wish nvidia wouldnt cancel the cool stuff 😦
we need amd to make another vesuvius to give them a kick in the pants again
astral haven
late q1 at the earliest for the 4k240s from both
but the lg with 4k240 and 1080p480 sounds awesome to me
pale sigil
Why is it so hard to bin boxes
I don't wanna bin my PC hardware, I also don't wanna bin my quest 2 box
Yes mansen
Ik you're worse
reef patrol
- Is there warrant on it? If so, keep it.
- Can you sell it - do you need the box to do so safely? (Motherboards and such? Keep it.
Else chug it.
pale sigil
- On every box lol
- All used
🤣
Router box can be binned tbf
Wooting boxes, well you had a Lekker edition, that box is a beautiful
And 60he boxes, well, have my name on them :p
ashen spindle
yeah but that pictures is part of the issue because thats making people think it can do more than it can
fickle ore
yeah but that pictures is part of the issue because thats making people think it...
What is the issue?
ashen spindle
it's not that insanely strong like those 0kelvin SCs
fickle ore
Why?
ashen spindle
because it isnt lol
fickle ore
O.o
ashen spindle
cant really tell you more when all we got so far is reproductions
fickle ore
Time to put a 20k position into Boliden
analog sinew
even if it is weak to the point of uselessness, the proof that it can be done at those temperatures would be extremely valuable
fickle ore
@prisma crag copped FM
:I
same lol
took the one thats blue bc I figured it'd be less liked and more chance for me
crisp granite
Welp
I’m glad to be saving my eurodollas for the M3K
That’ll be a mouse I can use for the next decade, at least
fickle ore
That’ll be a mouse I can use for the next decade, at least
tru
crisp granite
my credit card sees next to no use tbh
Unless I’m buying hardware, because then I’m spending thousands at a time
astral haven
im sure thats great for your credit score lol
crisp granite
Or…the semi annual uni bookstore run
“Do you take discover?”
Either that or it’s using Mastercard or visa as a backend
No other way
I mean…yes
ashen spindle
What is the issue?
but basically it seems like if it works and the making it challenges are overcome its more for smaller scales like compact electric things and nothing like maglev like that image suggests for high speed rail tracks or whatever
crisp granite
But also who the fuck uses Apple Pay xD
crisp granite
But also who the fuck uses Apple Pay xD
Oh wait… I do
fickle ore
im sure thats great for your credit score lol
oh we dont even have one here, let alone the cashback stuff
fickle ore
but basically it seems like if it works and the making it challenges are overcom...
Will be interesting to find out why
ashen spindle
well if it does well on LN2 cooling for example it would imply it just has higher resistances on room temp
astral haven
pretty sure thats a thing that happens with physics in general?
fickle ore
mining companies stock tomorrow: hold my beer +100 %
astral haven
why?
what is it made from?
astral haven
oh dear
fickle ore
wait
Let’s look at what’s being claimed, and how strong the evidence seems to be. The authors describe a lead-based copper-doped material, LK-99, which is made by first preparing a well-characterized mineral (lanarkite, Pb2(SO4)O) from lead oxide and lead sulfate. Separately, copper phosphide (Cu3P), another well-characterized compound, is also freshly prepared from elemental copper and phosphorus. These two substances are ground together in a 1:1 ratio and the mixture is sealed in a vacuum-evacuated quartz tube and heated to 925C, forming LK-99, which is Pb10-xCux(PO4)6O, a dark polycrystalline material. The structure is very similar to lead apatite, a well-characterized phosphate mineral, but its crystallographic unit cell is slightly smaller due to the substitution of particular lead atoms in its lattice by copper ones.
astral haven
that seems quite um random?
astral haven
i didnt realize it was lead based
its quite unlikely this specific material will get used much
ashen spindle
it something first theorized in the 90s so there should be some info about it how it came to that
astral haven
hopefully we can use this specific compound as a springboard to something less carcinogenic
ashen spindle
that would be the idea, first step towards more things
fickle ore
hopefully we can use this specific compound as a springboard to something less c...
we don't know if it's bioavailable in that form
or do we
astral haven
the specific compound that we want may not be the problem
the problem is that it needs to be produced
fickle ore
just dont use 3rd world mining companies that let the water out, but that is probably too much to aks
astral haven
and you cant use american mining companies due to safety or whatever
hmm they are still around
welp idk it just seems like it would be a disaster if lead is a requirement in rtrp superconductors
cause there are a ton of categories of products that its illegal to have lead in almost any form
fickle ore
cause there are a ton of categories of products that its illegal to have lead in...
ROHS vs LK-99 battle 😄
astral haven
if we cant find a non lead alternative im scared what the result would be of that battle
if its a literal choice between ethics and energy efficiency or computational power, that will help the less ethical societies get ahead
shadow minnow
Well you don’t need it to be in consumer products to prevent that
If you keep it for gov/education/research purpose it’s kind of a balance imo
astral haven
sure if it never leaves the lab before a better alternative is found thats fantastic news
fickle ore
Do we even know if lead is the issue, for all we know the material itself more carcinogenic than lead, letsn ot get ahead of ourselves
astral haven
truuuu
ashen spindle
amd earnings looked quite alright @gusty kiln
astral haven
heck it could be that humans are deathly allergic to superconductors in general, and if any amount gets into the brain regardless of original material it messes up the signalling and ends you
fickle ore
heck it could be that humans are deathly allergic to superconductors in general,...
lol that would be .. bad word but cool in a way
Hey I'm allergic to superconducters
astral haven
??
fickle ore
Idk just something to tell your tinder date
ashen robin
Who got a finalmouse 😈
@fickle ore we are twins
Same order
Mine has more taxes though 😔
fickle ore
Mine has more taxes though 😔
I'll be met with VAT (24%) upon arrival hehee
fickle ore
Very
crude hatch
Who got a finalmouse 😈
I got one. Ive historically trashed finalmouse for various things but figured it was time to give one a try. that and Im a sucker for carbon fiber
ashen robin
I got one. Ive historically trashed finalmouse for various things but figured it...
Carbon fiber is pretty cool, I have some carbon fiber frame sunglasses that are really nice
I've never had one but I normally use the regular consumer brands, tons of different ones, excited to see how this compares
coarse cloak
hope youre aware of the issues people normally talk about, so you don't get disappointed when it comes to specific shit
crude hatch
I went in full well knowing what their releases have looked like in the past so no illusions of anything other than that here. People have said they take care of it but we'll see.
ashen robin
hope youre aware of the issues people normally talk about, so you don't get disa...
Yeah I've seen stuff about a few of the QC issues their mice usually have, and I also have no issue trying fixes myself if it comes to it
coarse cloak
ay nice
astral haven
they seem to be for the wrong products?
i wonder how reddits new api terms apply to search engines?
can i make google pay a 1/10th of a cent for adding reddit to the end of my query?
astral haven
a singular numerical price is nice too
gj google gj
they do show it down here in the shopping section, but they also have that incorrect info closer to the top of the page
and the ai results are pretty useful, but thats not available to everyone
wheat plume
Why do most PC builder sites not have AMD GPUs?????
astral haven
what do you mean lol
wheat plume
So far I've only seen maingear offer them
wheat plume
Yeah
The ones that build it for you
astral haven
radeon = extra support
wheat plume
But they are better cards for the money aaagghhhhhh
astral haven
they cant afford the extra calls unless they are a relatively large company
astral haven
But they are better cards for the money aaagghhhhhh
🤷 support has costs as well
smaller the company, the more that stuff matters
xoticpc offers whatever you want
ashen spindle
if you pay a 40% bonus for custom builds a 10% better price/perf on gpu aint making that big of a difference
astral haven
^^
wheat plume
Is two 120mm fans enough for a 13th gen core 17 and RTX 4070ti?
pale sigil
Random but im so glad i went back to air cooling, even when in a corner with not much airflow its doing me so much better 
ashen spindle
depends on the case and on what cooler for cpu and what gpu cooler
pale sigil
why did i ever go back to aio
wheat plume
like on the case?
Yep
astral haven
nah its just further down the page
ashen spindle
depends on the case and on what cooler for cpu and what gpu cooler
.
astral haven
i find the shopping tab difficult to look at
and its definetly in a better format in the AI version
pale sigil
@ashen spindle whats the name of the cable for PSUs? for mains i mean.
I want to get a longer cable
wheat plume
dont get a 4070
He's built this himself
I had no day in this
pale sigil
He's built this himself
I had no day in this
ashen spindle
oh the one for powerwall into psu? yeah should be what Fym said
wheat plume
dont get a 4070
Why so?
astral haven
He's built this himself
I had no day in this
if they already have it, 🤷 whats done is done
but why do they want a prebuilt that isnt from one of the major manufacturers?
wheat plume
Idk
astral haven
going "low end" customs is kinda ???
ashen spindle
if its already done you will know if that fan configuration worked out onnce the pc is running
astral haven
also yea the 13600kf is an i5 and is super easy to cool
ashen spindle
ehhh wouldnt call it super easy
astral haven
i mean anyone buying a prebuilt aint doing crazy oc
and even power limits removed it doesnt quite throttle on a u14s
wheat plume
He chose to get an extra case fan instead of the front mounted AIO
ashen spindle
gaming fine but all core things still hammer that thing stock
ashen spindle
hub had it hit stock run into tjmax shortly on an aio
astral haven
136 or 139
ashen spindle
136
astral haven
yea thats screwed up
did the same thing happen on the 7700x?
ashen spindle
but only in blender for a short moment so not throtteling just for a moment
and they said the 137 didnt show it, so could be bad chip perhaps
wheat plume
https://tpucdn.com/review/intel-core-i5-13600k/images/cpu-temperature-blender.pn...
112??????
Don't they shut off at 100?
ashen spindle
tjmax varies for every cpu
astral haven
and not if you oc them
p sure current gen default shutoff is 105c and you can disable that for oc
astral haven
just get a hbr3 cable please
pale sigil
hmm?
astral haven
search hbr3 displayport 2m cable
ashen spindle
^
pale sigil
i have
astral haven
and get the cheapest one that isnt sketchy
astral haven
thats not c5 im pretty sure
astral haven
oh that is c5
pale sigil
im wanting a 3m one
ashen spindle
never really used it I just used what came with psu and an extension cord
makes more sense for me since that is useable for multiple things compared to a long psu cable
wheat plume
I hope MSI apply the ram speed correctly
3200mhz ram but it'll likely be 2666 out of the box unless they up it beforehand
pale sigil
I hope MSI apply the ram speed correctly
3200mhz ram but it'll likely be 2666 ou...
you mean you hope the person building goes into the bios
astral haven
here we are mostly dealing with C8 for our lappys
astral haven
If it doesn't fit in the hole without extreme force, don't use it
Otherwise you are fine
ashen spindle
I mean seems fine
latent mural
Could anyone assist me in merging my 2 disks on my windows laptop?
I’ve been trying for a few hours now and it just isn’t working
Or is there a way to just install everything on my other disk instead of merging them
latent mural
Are you not able to download steam games on a n empty drive?
It keeps canceling and saying corrupt disk
analog sinew
is the drive formatted properly
raw zephyr
keep in mind that clonezilla won't resize your drives, so if the size is mismatched you will have to do that manually
we use acronis true image at work
mild dome
It's fairly easy to increase the size after tho right?
raw zephyr
you can download the bootable at archive org ;)
old marlin
r-studio pretty good can recommend
halcyon willow
Anyone know of any good monitors I should get sub - 250?
Second hand
I have a 2080 Ti
fair gull
Anyone know of any good monitors I should get sub - 250?
https://www.ebay.com/itm/175832918316 with a DP to VGA adapter
deft marlin
Anybody still up?
deft marlin
I’m planning to install Linux mint on my MBP, will a partitioned external SSD be completely wiped?
fair gull
u cant install linux outside of asahi
deft marlin
What?
fair gull
unless its intel mbp
deft marlin
Uhh well it’s balenaEtcher
deft marlin
apparently MUO tells me clicking flash erases the whole thing
fair gull
yes etcher formats the drive
deft marlin
why are u using etcher to install linux
Alternatives?
deft marlin
yes etcher formats the drive
Including all partitions?
deft marlin
or can I select one
fair gull
and then install mint
deft marlin
Well you see I don’t have a spare usb stick on hand
fair gull
i wasnt aware of mint having pre made images to copy to a disk
deft marlin
just my external ssd
deft marlin
i wasnt aware of mint having pre made images to copy to a disk
Nah I’m flashing there
Wait wut
deft marlin
?
fair gull
so you need to have it on another media than the one you want to install it on
fair gull
just like the windows install iso
deft marlin
That’s what I’m doing
fair gull
oh so u dont wanna boot mint from the ssd but have the livecd only boot from it
deft marlin
Sending it to an external drive (usb interface) to boot from
And use the command line
to install
deft marlin
oh so u dont wanna boot mint from the ssd but have the livecd only boot from it
Well I got an iso
Don’t know what a livecd is
fair gull
well idk of any tool to put the iso bootable onto an external ssd without breaking it in some way
fair gull
Don’t know what a livecd is
installer and preview in one
u can use the OS fully but after a reboot the data is gone and starts fresh
its so you can preview an os or fix a broken install
fair gull
no ur external ssd will have to be formatted
deft marlin
Yea the partition allocated to Linux is MS-DOS
FAT32
already did the formatting part
fair gull
and they dont care if you formatted them already or not. they read the iso and take its information and then format the target media completely
deft marlin
Good thing I have all the stuff I want safe under a single folder
Suppose I’ll just copy that to my iMac desktop
Then transfer back over later
deft marlin
(Install is on MBP)
fair gull
and then make ur ssd a normal ssd for storage
fair gull
not apples filesystem
deft marlin
Welp how put the data I saved back in?
fair gull
not HFS+ though
fair gull
u can format the ssd from linux mint to HFS
thats apples old filesystem basically
and should still work
deft marlin
What can NTFS-3G do? It can interpret APFS right?
fair gull
ntfs no work good on linux
fair gull
ntfs is readonly on linux even the normal ntfs
halcyon moss
i think in the past i have written to ntfs
deft marlin
What about APFS?
halcyon moss
from linux
deft marlin
fair gull
as mentioned
HFS
ur mac will use it fine
and linux as well
no read write limits to my knowledge
deft marlin
Ok
I’m supposing Linux will give me the option to format to HFS?
Disk utility is a hard no
fair gull
linux parted can do it i think
deft marlin
Is that software or shorthand for partitioned?
deft marlin
I’ll use the latter thanks
halcyon moss
gparted can do it, if you have the right tools installed
(i dont currently according to gparted)
fair gull
yeah but you can google the hfs tools
deft marlin
So TL;DR save data off the SSD, let Etcher wipe it, stick Linux on there
Then reformat afterwards
fair gull
yes
halcyon moss
do you have a usb stick?
fair gull
they dont apparently
deft marlin
I have an external ssd
halcyon moss
kk, well good luck.
deft marlin
not an issue plenty of space on another device
Which I’ll save stuff to
Then transfer back over
fair gull
in theory it should work
deft marlin
Welp otherwise my MBP is kinda trash regardless
fair gull
how so
fair gull
i hope its a fan model and that the fan is clean
and the thermalpaste is in good shape
deft marlin
It’s a fan model
But not better designed than the ROG Zephyrus with its fan issue
Only fans are under the display
And still blocked by the hinge 
need to use external display and not rotate the screen past 50 deg or so
to avoid the prob somewhat
deft marlin
The MBA is leaps and bounds quicker and more efficient than my MBP
wouldn’t mind MacOS being there on an m1 Mac
halcyon moss
a friend of mine puts a glass with icecubes on the lower left part of the chassis to prevent it from throttling like crazy
deft marlin
But it’s a parasite on my Intel comet lake portable now
halcyon moss
intel mbp of course
deft marlin
I wouldn’t expect it not to be Kaby Lake 
fair gull
i think i came up with a fix... it wont be the cheapest though
step 1. wipe intel mbp
step 2. sell
step 3. buy m1 mb
step 4. profit
deft marlin
Well you see without a pair of beings with gametes I’d be homeless
So money isn’t in an oyster near me
fair gull
have u checked all oysters near you?
crimson wigeon
Boot up the installer in a VM, passthrough the device you want to install to. Do the install and profit
deft marlin
I’m certainly not cream of the crop affluent
fair gull
i dont think that works if you install to the same hdd the vm is on
deft marlin
And basically broke
fair gull
or well the os the vm is on runs from
crimson wigeon
Although actually booting that might be tricky, don't you have to do some bless nonsense or whatever
deft marlin
Although actually booting that might be tricky, don't you have to do some bless ...
Me to MacOS
So no need for a VM
One more question @fair gull will etcher be able to wipe a Time Machine backup drive partition?
fair gull
it formats the entire disk so yes it should
unless macos has some very low io limitations on that
deft marlin
Welp the drive was my all in one so
crimson wigeon
Etcher is basically dd with a fancy interface, it don't care about what's on it
crimson wigeon
It just nukes it all
deft marlin
Ah you’re right
Doesn’t show my partitions at all
amnesia initiate!
Uhh not great
My Mac display just started showing white bands
crimson wigeon
In theory since its all just UEFI you could extract all the files from the ISO onto a partition and boot that, but macEFI...
deft marlin
Just starts banding when etcher is open
Uhh help
It’s like that scene from JoJo rabbit where the protagonist kills the guy in his head slowly
Looks like I need to yeet the Time Machine partition manually
@fair gull last ping but any solutions? Can’t open dev/rdisk3
MBP is full blown panicking (I’m just documenting this now), disk utility found a short pier and sprinted over the edge
YES ITS WORKING
needed to purge the backup files
Ty to both
Now the drive is unrecognisable, won’t show at all in finder 😛
fair gull
now go boot from it
deft marlin
Yep
I’m entering EFI loader rn
Shit Linux won’t load
Alr I hate T2 sec chip rn
summary - manually purge backup files, disable T2 sec chip/startup security utility —> allow boot from removable media then it’ll work
5th restart already ..-.
And we are a-go
Now I feel stupid for not making this a thread
Oh dear there isn’t a medium with Linux on it
Omfg
I see interesting cli processes
What’s happening?
Oh it’s loading, yay
We have another problem
I’ve booted into Linux mint MATE, but my trackpad is useless
And the icons are tiny
And here we restarting again
halcyon moss
display scaling issue?
deft marlin
Report: Linux live session booted
For a few minutes
Tjen I ordered it to yeet MacOS
It “crashed” and left a blinking underscore
I restarted and now it has some trouble booting
Kept “kernel panicking”
MacOS is forever gone so no turning back now
Gonna boot compatibility mode
seems to work
deft marlin
display scaling issue?
Only happens in comp mode
Turns out there aren’t any hardware drivers so I need usb peripherals to control cursor and type
My system dislikes direct boot, loves comp more
Working again
200% scaling needed, looks perfect now
raw zephyr
please do me a favor and deep clean the keyboard after you are done
deft marlin
Nah
This photo wasn’t taken with a DLSR of sorts
Just typical too bright lamp and 3MP camera
raw zephyr
i think you just use your computer as a dish
deft marlin
Nah
Welp, Linux successfully installed
Still didn’t boot properly, couldn’t download to drive…
Whats the grub interface? Anybody?
That is cli with grub>
what do I do now
crimson wigeon
You reboot and show the error
unkempt crow
when i do "test your bindings" it says my " key is dead what do i do about that?
reef patrol
#1019755933959733258 is always a good place to start. Include screenshots.
reef patrol
They're not the only ones. It's a shit law.
old marlin
wtf
cursive summit
More people use 4090 than 970?
1080Ti = 4090 now as well?
How many people are actually buying overpriced 1600$ cards
reef patrol
The 970 is a long time ago.
old marlin
a lot apparently
also the 970 is like 10 years old
and was known to have problems like 8 years ago
halcyon willow
You think 4090 is overpriced?
cursive summit
970 used to be a go-to back in Maxwell days
old marlin
and was beaten by liek 150 USD cards like 6 years ago
halcyon willow
I don’t think so tbh
cursive summit
You think 4090 is overpriced?
Wrong is wrong, but so be it
cursive summit
4090 costing what it costs pushes 4080 and 4070 prices up
And those cards are not worth the price
NV is just capitalizing on monkey consumers who just buy whatever, at whatever price
Cause marketing
halcyon willow
4090 costing what it costs pushes 4080 and 4070 prices up
Absolutely agree
old marlin
Expensive, but worth the price
still overpriced
idk imo nvidia is in a somewhat dangerous spot atm
halcyon willow
3090 Ti was $2000 MSRP
old marlin
where their reluctance to a solid mid and low end could cost them a lot of marketshare
cursive summit
3090 Ti was $2000 MSRP
So many people bought that, that it's not in the hardware list
cursive summit
Fokin GT 720M has bigger market share
old marlin
still on there
cursive summit
RTX 4000 series are dogwater
halcyon willow
Wish they never made that
old marlin
cursive summit
They are good cards completely annihilated by their prices
halcyon willow
Except the 4090 lol
cursive summit
4060 laptop is rather cheap nowadays
old marlin
reef patrol
I wish the 1660TI had been a better release. Such a good price value at the time.
old marlin
wonder how they ended up on steam
either they launch a game through steam now
or they got out somehow
since they have been around since ~2020
cursive summit
4090 having larger market share than 4070 and RTX 2080 SUPER is just blowing my mind
Fuckin sheeples ruining the market getting milked by NV
At this point we will not get better hardware prices anytime soon
ashen spindle
it makes sense though, it is too expensive but its halo product with actual performance gains
4070 is a joke, 80 super was equally a joke
cursive summit
The current market is just a bad joke mostly
RX 7900 XT becoming 700$ card though is giving me some hopes for the future
cursive summit
I love DX11
fair gull
and dx8 or older somehow rose
ashen spindle
eh, that could be some misreported things that just have a fallback
cursive summit
Out of all DX versions, 11 is the one that performs the best and is most stable
Idk why, just is
ashen spindle
that is just wrong factually
cursive summit
reef patrol
https://arstechnica.com/security/2023/08/canon-warns-printer-users-to-manually-w...
Almost not as bad as remotely disabling people's printers, because they stopped paying for the subscription
old marlin
https://arstechnica.com/security/2023/08/canon-warns-printer-users-to-manually-w...
ngl most horrifying thing to me is that somebody infects modems/routers
would be a stupid simple attack
halcyon moss
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/used-ddr4-ram-chips-are-being-reused-in-new-pc...
nice, thats solid recycling
reef patrol
If they were being honest about it? Awesome. Sounds like they are not however
old marlin
would be a stupid simple attack
like just buy a fritzbox from a local electronics store
flash a custom infected firmware
return it
coarse cloak
Discrimination
wheat plume
yes
old marlin
bruh
microsoft offers replacement parts for their controllers now
but sticks are part of the main pcb assembly
which include 4 rumble motors
so to fix sticks on a reg controller it costs 35 USD
and 60 USD on an elite series 2
cursive summit
Snapchat iOS and Web have dark theme
And nothing of value was lost
latent mural
is the drive formatted properly
Wdym? Sry I had to go to bed.
I have a completely empty disk that I want to install stuff in because it has like 1t of storage and the one I’ve been using only has 118 gb.
Do I need to have certain folders in that disk in order to download steam games?
raw zephyr
Do I need to have certain folders in that disk in order to download steam games?
no, just add it as a library install path inside steam
latent mural
How would I do that
raw zephyr
How would I do that
settings -> downloads -> steam library folders
or something similar
reef patrol
How would I do that
raw zephyr
nvme os, has 27 games on it
reef patrol
I got lazy at some point. Also 4TB.
latent mural
It’s not saying the steam library folders issue it’s saying corrupt disk should I still do what you said to do?
raw zephyr
if you are on windows, open disk management and reformat the disk
latent mural
So uh I did it and it said it would delete everything and I couldn’t move it to my other disk to I just deleted it cuz all that was in it was the 50% downloaded game
When I start from begins are you sure it won’t just download to 50% then just keep saying corrupt disk?
crimson wigeon
Corrupt... disk? I haven't seen that error but to me that would set off alarm bells that maybe your storage disk is on its last legs
latent mural
Corrupt... disk? I haven't seen that error but to me that would set off alarm be...
Wdym by that
halcyon willow
/sfc scannow
crimson wigeon
That it's about to die
halcyon willow
Open cmd and run as administrator
crimson wigeon
That's just the typical tech support meme lul
Use something like CrystalDiskInfo to see if it's in caution or something
latent mural
/sfc scannow
Said a bunch of random stuff
latent mural
That it's about to die
I’ve never used it before even once
halcyon willow
Win + S, type in cmd, right click and run as admin
crimson wigeon
Could also be possible that something written to it was corrupted for some reason, for example a sudden power cut
halcyon willow
Then type in /sfc scannow and wait
latent mural
Then type in /sfc scannow and wait
It’s not working
crimson wigeon
sfc /scannow is a meme and very rarely helps, don't bother
halcyon willow
It helped me a lot so don’t knock it
latent mural
Ok I just thought to try sfc /scan now instead and it’s working
latent mural
sfc /scannow is a meme and very rarely helps, don't bother
Doesn’t take long
And idk what else to do
halcyon willow
I’ve done some sketch shit and downloaded less than safe stuff
latent mural
I’ve done some sketch shit and downloaded less than safe stuff
Well I’m a dumbass that was trying to combine 2 disks together
Spent 2 hours on it and uh
crimson wigeon
And what did you actually do and why
latent mural
Me or criminal
crimson wigeon
You
latent mural
I uh was trynna combine them by deleting the volume on one of them and then expanding the other one
crimson wigeon
Uuh that's not how it works
latent mural
Uuh that's not how it works
Bru wdym
It would have worked but I’m a dumbass and there are 2 physical disks in my laptop
At least I think it would have
crimson wigeon
No it wouldn't have you can't span volumes like that
You'd have to do a kind of RAID setup, and that's rarely worth it especially in a laptop
Just accept they're separate and enjoy the benefits that might bring
latent mural
Well I was just following a video
@halcyon willow it didn’t detect any integrity violations
The scan
crimson wigeon
So really, what is your actual end goal here?
crimson wigeon
Then just download it, and choose to put it on the other disk
latent mural
That’s what I did but halfway thru it stopped and said corrupt disk
crimson wigeon
Now if you foolishly deleted the volume on said disk you'll have to reformat it
crimson wigeon
And don't follow videos they're garbage lol
latent mural
Well I didn’t know what else to do cuz with computers I’m basically your grandma
crimson wigeon
Great, so do you have both disks working now, separately? Then just start downloading and see if it fails. Also get CrystalDiskInfo as I said just to see if it's warning you
wheat plume
Nobara Linux has a build for the Deck <3 thats so awesome
wheat plume
Ah....they finally added ads to the Linux version of Etcher
for a while they didnt have any :')
latent mural
Great, so do you have both disks working now, separately? Then just start downlo...
Ok so uh I went and started downloading it again and waited a little over an hour and it’s saying corrupt disk again :/
analog sinew
can you post the error
latent mural
Great, so do you have both disks working now, separately? Then just start downlo...
Just installed crystal disk info and it says caution in the health of the disk im installing it into
crimson wigeon
Well there you go, it might be on its last legs
latent mural
Well there you go, it might be on its last legs
What does that even mean tho
What would cause it to have bad health
latent mural
It’s like 4 years old and I didn’t even know it existed until yesterday
Never been used once
Cuz I’m a dumbass
ashen spindle
if you get unlucky they can die earlier even in not use or have faults
ashen spindle
get a new ssd likely
crimson wigeon
right click it in explorer, properties -> tools -> check for errors ¯_(ツ)_/¯
latent mural
Done it a few times alr and said no errors
And I don’t Wana buy a new one cuz it’s a shit laptop and I want to get a pc anyways
astral haven
ssds are the cheapest now that theyve been since their invention...
crimson wigeon
Then you might have to invoke chkdsk directly, maybe do an offline scan. If that still claims no errors then yer computor is haunted
astral haven
nah
smart errors often wont show up in windows
smart is an early warning system that microsoft ignores ☹️
latent mural
Even if they are cheap I don’t really want to buy one cuz it will just delay the purchase of a pc even longer
So ig I just bought sea of thieves and can’t play it :/
Welp
crimson wigeon
Or whatever chkdsk magic flags to try to read the whole disk, should catch any bad sectors
astral haven
Even if they are cheap I don’t really want to buy one cuz it will just delay the...
if $25 is more than a month of savings, you should be job hunting
also if its a laptop you probably have an sd card slot
raw zephyr
Ah....they finally added ads to the Linux version of Etcher
just use dd
latent mural
Kk thx for the help guys