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#🔌│tech
cursive summit
misty saffron
trinity? we’re getting nuked again?
ashen spindle
Just you
also ps slim isnt as exciting as a new generation
so I dont think anyone cares about it that much in comparison
thats why we hear about a slim now and the pro which would come next year lol
pale sigil
Is it bad that im obsessed with using smart tech
Even my fireplace used it
Tv, garden, fans, lights, lamps and other stuff
And my PC
ashen spindle
its bad if you use the ones that use wifi for tech that doesnt need connection and just blasts your live feed into the internet
pale sigil
its bad if you use the ones that use wifi for tech that doesnt need connection a...
But I like scaring people
It's fun when you randomly then things on
But ye I do want a proper setup sooon
ashen spindle
I mean that part you can do without them being on the internet
ashen spindle
dumb smart tech is fine
pale sigil
I can with a vpn
ashen spindle
yes and thats the only way it should ever work
pale sigil
Either way that's where I'm going
ashen spindle
control unit you can access and nothing else has direct connection elsewhere
pale sigil
When I move room
It's not a gimmick
Not to me
This shit was really helpful for me when I was in a bad place and continues to be :3
misty saffron
why isn’t there a feature in mobile OSes that’s like a location-based alarm 😭
i would like to sleep in public transport
misty saffron
huh
pale sigil
Can also do location based functions for wifi, data etc
misty saffron
so you can drop a pin on the map and that’s it
pale sigil
Well not all android phones
I mean whatelse
There isn't going to be a fucking location one for moving
misty saffron
i seriously don’t understand how that’s not a common feature
do people not sleep in public transport?
ashen spindle
no????
pale sigil
Not really no
misty saffron
because they’re afraid of missing their stop
misty saffron
nothing stops me from falling asleep if i’m really tired so i’d love that
even 100% volume music
pale sigil
"hey Google wake me up in x"
I can even have my phone always unlocked in a specific location
Which is kinda weird imo
misty saffron
I can even have my phone always unlocked in a specific location
eh i suppose if you live alone
or know no concept of privacy with the people you live with
pale sigil
I still think it's weird
Watch kinda makes more sense
Than location
Jesus
First time using so much data
Oh Netflix has 12gb 
I played the top two once just to test them when I got the phone
Honestly never understood mobile gaming
I miss the temple run days
Let's goooo
Love the black bae at the top
fading ore
GPS Recievers typically pull about 20-40mA.
Most phone batteries nowadays have 5000-10000mAh batteries.
If you use GPS for 10 hours, it will consume about 5% of your battery.
The largest power draw component in most phones is the display, followed by the CPU/GPU, then 5G/LTE Radio.
You can save power by optimizing these, the accessory components have very little impact.
You CPU has to do processing on the GPS data to calculate where you are. Polling GPS at high frequency can cause high CPU load.
The GPS reciever typically is only rated for 40mA current. It's not a component you can arbitrarily pump power into to improve accuracy.
Unlike the CPU :3
Which you can to a large extent just pump power into to get more performance :)
The GPS unit consumes almost no power. I wouldn't worry about it. Try setting your CPU governor to a more passive state if you want to save power while using GPS.
I've considered swapping to an ITX build since I travel a lot now.
sharp badger
Wanting to build an ITX too 😅
Ordered something to lower temps. too if one would switch to ITX 👨💻
Yeah
mild finch
DUDE does anybody know where I can buy TTC GOLD dust proof switches. I can't really find any and the ones I do find only have a few reviews and look sketchy. Please if anybody has modded their mouse to TTC GOLD dust proof switches tell me where you bought them
sharp badger
Saw this ''wireless'' D4 setup
cursive summit
SPY or dumb
fading ore
Nvidia is starting to see massive losses in profitability since AMD has pushed them to modern manufacturing nodes.
despite charging way more than a few years ago
Nvidia's Datacenter profits have been good, but again having to use the newest nodes means Nvidia's pricing has gone way up. The H100 is $30,000
and didn't sell nearly as well as the A100 or V100
cursive summit
AMD's Xilinx acquisition will save them one day
gusty kiln
"the more you buy, the more you save" 
cursive summit
"the more you buy, the more you save" <:dogekek:1103031921409265776>
"You can literally see it"
fading ore
Nvidia used to use 3+ year old transistor technology, but now they're getting 2nd year production TSMC chips which are extremely expensive.
fading ore
The GTX 10 series released on 16nm silicon when 7nm is available, and 16nm wafers were becomming very cheap. Hence why the price was $120-800 instead of $400-1500 while still maintaining a larger profit margin than current GPUs.
gusty kiln
nvidia got spook by 6000 for a bit
mild finch
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000178308356.html Here?
Is it ok to buy it off Ali express
fading ore
Wdym is it okay? It's legal in most countries.
unless your country particularly dislikes imports from china
mild finch
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000178308356.html Here?
Do you know if I can get a 50m version
I mean is the product going @fading ore to be ok
gusty kiln
nvidia might as well spin off geforce
cursive summit
nvidia might as well spin off geforce
Quadro = RTX?
fading ore
what would aliexpress have to do with it? It's just a market site.
fading ore
Read the reviews or check schematics if you want to know if the product is good
sharp badger
https://shop.x-raypad.com/shop/original-ttc-gold-micro-switch-for-gaming-mouse-2pcs/ Here's another site selling 80M
fading ore
Ngl the whole RTX thing is just silly, gamers don't need it
nah I love what they've done with the RTX stuff. Makes my job a lot cheaper :3
fading ore
Having machine learning GPUs accessible for $1500 is honestly amazing
sharp badger
There's a 60M option too
mild finch
Ok
fading ore
The only thing is the VRAM. Nvidia has been cutting VRAM on RTX GPUs since they've become more machine learning capable
The older Titans had options up to 40GB VRAM but newer ones have been cut down to 24GB.
sharp badger
Is it ok to buy it off Ali express
Don't know where you live either but Shipping/Taxes can add up other than that it's ok to order from the site
fading ore
Tbf the quadros were basically obsolete by the time Nvidia released production drivers for geforce
There were already patches on github to enable all the quadro features
gusty kiln
lol just realize my work laptop is running at single channel memory
fading ore
That's pretty weird
most laptops run 4 channel memory nowaday
that looks so incredibly scuffed lmao
fading ore
It depends on the industry. Movie and film generally are pretty well paid in the U.S.
gusty kiln
special effect artists are basically the anime studio equivalent in the US
worked to da bone
ashen spindle
aside from the part when vfx companies make movie and then never get paid and need to find actors who then tell the studio pay them or they dont make another movie
in theory they are paid well yes, practice, well...
fading ore
That's not different with other industries. There are always scammers
I think many other industries face the same challenges. It doesn't mean workers are generally underpaid just because a few projects fail and smaller companies go bankrupt.
The median pay for VFX artists and Actors both are about $50-70k, which is about the median household income in LA. ($62k)
cursive summit
VR's adoption is a bit vaning, but AR will take its place
The hardware remains the main factor for lack of consumer interest, it's bothersome, cumbersome and expensive
AR seems like the better tech, will wait until it matures and becomes actually purchasable for acceptable amount of money
fading ore
I think the Apple AR headset could have been a "necessary device" for productivity if they designed for productivity
A lot of hands-on work would benefit a lot from having an AR interface when you can't have computers where you're working
ashen spindle
pass through vr is 100 times more likely to does well than AR, just like apple is doing, just overlaying something in AR is so much harder and costs even more
cursive summit
6200MHz is now faster than 7400MHz RAM
fading ore
pass through vr is 100 times more likely to does well than AR, just like apple i...
Having true LOS is required for many safety regulations
pass through is likely to fail a lot of safety inspections
ashen spindle
yes but non pass through is even harder to make and costs even more for now
so I dont see AR taking the place of it
fading ore
Cost I don't think is an issue for industry. If the AR headset increase a worker's productivty by 10%, that is an extra ~$6k-12k/yr of value they're getting
ashen spindle
Seems that new AGESA has broke things
and no nothing is broken
fading ore
$3.5K is an entirely reasonable price if for instance, it removes the need of having to go back and forth between a computer displaying a schematic and your work area.
ashen spindle
you go from gear 1 to gear 2 and the result is 99.4%, that's margin of error
fading ore
I've tried pass through VR, the issue is you need a camera and IPU capable of the dynamic range, latency, and details humans can see to not have substantial downsides towards most hands-on work.
and those cameras tend to be on the ends of $1000
Whereas AR tracking can use relatively low resolution low quality cameras + Lidar
ashen spindle
$3.5K is an entirely reasonable price if for instance, it removes the need of ha...
the more cost was just one thing, it could cost 12k+ and is still not that great because you need to make it work, somehow get the cooling and chips for it without the chassis a Vr hmd, tilt five is going a great job but are still miles away
fading ore
the more cost was just one thing, it could cost 12k+ and is still not that great...
I agree, I don't really think cost is the issue in AR right now. Plenty of customers are willing to pay huge sums of money for a functional AR environment
We are getting fairly high end processors without the need for active cooling systems (eg. M2) and IMUs. The tech for AR is there in terms of hardware, I think the main challenge is software support.
ashen spindle
I also dont think the industries where regulations would need compliance with LoS and such are not that massive that it makes sense to ignore passthrough, both will be a thing
one for mainstream one for more expensive niches
fading ore
I think the industries that want AR are those that need to see what they're doing clearly.
Working through a camera is very difficult unless you can get extremely low latency passthrough. The second problem is that no camera currently comes anywhere close to being able to handle the dynamic range human eyes can./
I mean, they have a functional AR system in the F35s right?
I think we've had the tech to do it for a while now, it's more of just waiting on someone to make something usable.
Apple is a decent candidate since they have full control over their ecosystem but it doesn't seem like they're aiming for productivity
From their demos it seems like it's just intended to be a cool toy.
ashen spindle
oh it is absolutely productivity for them
you cant just really market it that way on first gen
"our new 3k USD gadget makes your use excel sheets better"
great nobody cares after that sentence lol
fading ore
Honestly would buy immediately if that were the ad lol
ashen spindle
yes but not the sheeple they market to
the thing is great and will make changes in the industry and I cant wait for V2 or what else comes from this
but you need to beat it into the market first before you can truly show all usecases
fading ore
Having an AR overlay of the 3d model for the thing I'm building would actually be amazing
I would pay probably up to $20k for something that could speed up my work by a decent amount
ashen spindle
if valve pushes passthrough more on the deckard you might get something for it, the index was almost there
fading ore
if valve pushes passthrough more on the deckard you might get something for it, ...
The index has 55ms latency
the HTC Vive pro 2 was the lowest latency headset at 35ms, which is still much too high to be comfortably usable imo
ashen spindle
well I dont quite know what youa re working on, just saying 3d model made me think it would be something not that latency sensitive
fading ore
I'd be willing to shell out about $3k for the index -- identical but <5ms latency.
fading ore
well I dont quite know what youa re working on, just saying 3d model made me thi...
There's some operational hazards so I'd prefer to not have a noticable delay in vision
ashen spindle
fair then
fading ore
I wouldn't really consider HUD AR, if it doesn't place any position tracked objects.
wheat plume
ok...this is the best default icon ive ever seen
Kylin-Code :')
Its literally renamed VCS
astral haven
I'd be willing to shell out about $3k for the index -- identical but <5ms latenc...
Varjo xr-3?
People seem very comfortable walking around in them, I can't imagine it's as slow as the index
Also there's always the hololens that is literally already in use for this
And it has zero Ms passthrough latency ofc
pale sigil
Why does cyberpunk on geforce now feel smoother than my own PC
wheat plume
frametiming?
vagrant pagoda
Why does cyberpunk on geforce now feel smoother than my own PC
do you have a VRR screen?
pale sigil
no
vagrant pagoda
thats why
pale sigil
i mean it has freesync
vagrant pagoda
GFN is basicly forcing vsync
vagrant pagoda
in games?
gusty kiln
electrication of airplane is a real serious thing
vagrant pagoda
tbo
gusty kiln
you mean electric engine
vagrant pagoda
i think it was cool he voiced his parody in RnM
gusty kiln
using it colloquially
he was never a real engineer
he's like the max level of "ideas guy"
coarse cloak
he's like the max level of "ideas guy"
elon?
vagrant pagoda
and his dad isnt rich rich
he is a total ass hat though
but hes still good at what he dose
and his dad was never a miner
he bought into it as an investment
gusty kiln
the company I work for is salivating at the thought of electrifying airplanes
BTW have you watched The Bear?
no
it's pretty intense
pale sigil
@vagrant pagodatbf its prob smoother because its a video stream
vagrant pagoda
will 4c have x3d is the real question
ashen spindle
maybe but unlikely
thats something they could still be deciding just before launching it
but probably doesnt make sense for desktop
vagrant pagoda
would be interesing if it was one big 3d and not 2 seperate stacks
ashen spindle
pretty sure it would just be 1 big 3d that means they get half as much extra as regular vcache
eventually l3 will be entirely off die on base specs probably
latent mural
BTW have you watched The Bear?
YES
I hate Sydney tho
So insufferable
Richie with the comeback arc was surprising, but disappointing
Carmie fucks shit up for no reason
The throwback episode was so good, it gave me so much nervousness when I first watched it
ashen spindle
Twitter
sly orchid
need a wooting tkl
latent mural
i cannot update my wooting settings on the app
whenever i press save it says it saves but then after closing the app and reopening my settings are unchanged
i literally cannot make new presets or change my old ones in any way
coarse cloak
it used to work before?
app or website
cursive summit
It doesn't need much to just do streaming
Let's hope it's some snapdragon 8 gen 1 and it'll be a new moddable powerhouse
latent mural
it used to work before?
app or website
yes and app
latent mural
i just got my katos 2 weeks ago lmao
those are crazy beautiful
@cursive summit did those release?
cursive summit
No
latent mural
What iems do you use?
halcyon willow
I cant wait to get the crinacle reds
shadow minnow
Hmm my computer suddenly has an administrator account called administrator and it doesn’t appear in other accounts so no idea how to remove it
Like other users on my main account doesn’t show the administrator account
So I can’t remove it from there
halcyon moss
It doesn't just suddenly get something
You did something.
Sign in, update, install software
ashen spindle
Or you looked somewhere where it shows the administrator account that just isn’t activated
shadow minnow
I can sign in it without password
cursive summit
Someone made a GPT-4 chatbot based on the old version https://ogpt4.com/
Apparently GPT-4 and 3.5 have been getting "worse over time"
Project's meant to be the "old" version where supposedly it was at its best
old marlin
I can sign in it without password
Just means you have activated it
It normally is just a deactivated account
shadow minnow
How can I make it gone
halcyon moss
I'm looking into backing up my NAS (Synology) into the cloud. Only pictures and videos that i want to keep. The rest i don't care much about.
I've been looking at backblaze, they offer an 5USD / TB / month options, or a 7USD flat per month, but that cant be used on synology (only windows and osx)
what are other good options to backup?
i've also found idrive, cheaper it seems.
misty saffron
Apparently GPT-4 and 3.5 have been getting "worse over time"
well duh, it’s meant to learn from human input
old marlin
How can I make it gone
Don't think you can
cursive summit
well duh, it’s meant to learn from human input
Not really sure if these GPT models do
Isn't their only training the training data they were provided
crimson wigeon
Computer management -> local users and groups -> users -> find administrator -> its properties -> disable
cursive summit
halcyon willow
idk
what a goated website
i used it to buy a carrying case for my mouse
because they dont sell a carrying case for a superlight for some reason
cursive summit
what a goated website
Just don't trust the ratings blindly
Measurements are usually fine
halcyon willow
ratings?
cursive summit
The decimal score can be subjective
Yeah on rtings
Some peeps just take a look at a rating and just trust it blindly
halcyon willow
I just used it for the measurements lol
settled on this if anyone is interested in a case for it
halcyon willow
send me a superlight lol
reef patrol
They all have warranty level issues.
halcyon willow
I can fix her.
shadow minnow
Computer management -> local users and groups -> users -> find administrator -> ...
Thank you
reef patrol
I'll get around to fixing the Superlights. The Corsair ones are lost causes.
shadow minnow
Worked
pale sigil
Found my old headphones I "didn't give" to my sister
Went to plug them into my phone
Oh right...
reef patrol
cursive summit
Those must be the ATH-M50x's you talked about years back
reef patrol
👀
fickle ore
could've waited 8 days to get the new finalmouse at 1/2 the weight and 2/3 of the price
ashen spindle
and 2x the chance for issues QA didnt fix and 4x less customer support and 5 times the prices
fickle ore
doubt that, and its 189$
ashen spindle
idk finalmouse just is kinda of a trash company in my eyes, even if the product is a bit better I'd rather not deal with it
fickle ore
you're mistaken, the new ULX will use nordic chip and it'll be same latency as razer lol
It's also 8khz
that meme was good when they were using some sweatshop mcu/fw coding and deferred debounce coupled with 500hz max with gronked polling stability
crisp granite
if you're so serious about mice
just get an MxK
and move on with life
it is THE best mouse for fingertip
the lightest commercially available mouse, and has stupid good specs
ashen spindle
cmon dont pretend like its hard to just put mouse after mxk in the search
crisp granite
M1K, M2K, or the upcoming M3K
I use x because I didn't want to list all three, and they're all about the same level
coarse cloak
LOL
crisp granite
you don't need side buttons
you need skill
and seriously you have an entire keyboard at your disposal
you do have enough fingers to
just a skill issue
if you don't have enough skill and need to lean on side buttons, I completely understand
coarse cloak
Just place the hotkey near your thumb, you can use those while you're moving np
crisp granite
Just place the hotkey near your thumb, you can use those while you're moving np
literally this
left alt
I haven't found an FPS that actually uses it and it's a perfect place
coarse cloak
Yeah thumb and pinky are life savers
crisp granite
if you want a light mouse, ditch the battery
shit's heavy lol
a solid cable and bungie feel just as good as wireless anyway
coarse cloak
True
pale sigil
I genuinely can't go back to wires
And I cant live without side buttons haha
But like
crisp granite
I genuinely can't go back to wires
just because of that
I am going to put wires in your wireless device
checkmate
pale sigil
If I could have a wireless wooting tbag wasn't shit I would
fickle ore
regarded take
cursive summit
regarded take
Regarded eh?
fickle ore
Regarded eh?
regards,
fair gull
wouldnt regarded be an adjective
fair gull
because they dont offer it
wheat plume
BRUH .-.
wheat plume
My friend asked me to configure a PC for her on Ironside and she told me her budget is 2 grand
and I picked to configure an AMD system and found they dont have AMD GPUs
and now im angry
fair gull
cause amd system means cpu most likely
wheat plume
yeah it does
🤦♀️
she doesnt know if shes using wifi or ethernet
🤔 what one?
she doesnt need wifi
cursive summit
a620 is fine afaik
Save the pennies
You know, you can always build a rig yourself for cheaper
That should be obvious
wheat plume
she doesnt know what a GPU is, shes not gonna manage to build one
cursive summit
Build it for them then
wheat plume
the heaviest game she plays is modded minecraft and fallout 76...idek why TF she wants a new PC, her current one can play those just fine
cursive summit
Idk modded minecraft seems like a hard rtx 4090 requirement
Fallout 76? Is anyone even able to run that?
wheat plume
4060TI should be fine for 5 years at 1080p?
cursive summit
Indeed
wheat plume
even if she wants to play newer games in the future
wheat plume
this is why I wanted an AMD GPU, more VRAM for similar price
ashen spindle
put a 4070 in instead if its supposed to last that long
wheat plume
thats also 8gb vram
wait nvm
Ryzen 5 7600X
4070 12GB
what Watt PSU then? Ironside selected 650W but that seems too low...
ashen spindle
why does it seem too low
ashen spindle
how much do you think the card pulls
wheat plume
idfk... 400W?
ashen spindle
wheat plume
168W ...
dafuq???
that low
ok damn
🤔 add the 59 for that ram?
or is thr $3 extra option fine?
cinder stratus
I hate razer for releasing this instead of viper mini pro but the mouse looks great
coarse cloak
lighting..
coarse cloak
that's a nice option
wheat plume
.....oh fuck
ashen spindle
most people who buy OEM cant install windows so eh
wheat plume
now I got to get her to figure out if she has a license or not
ashen spindle
point in case
wheat plume
istg
ashen spindle
surprise people dont use start menu because why would you
wheat plume
you have to use it, to open apps for the first time so you can pin them to the taskbar instead
ashen spindle
no I just click the serach or the desktop shortcut
coarse cloak
start menu? Start Menu 10 🤔
wheat plume
I love how I saved 100 euro on my laptop by telling them not to include Windows
and when I got the laptop, it had windows installed but not activated
:')
reef patrol
Yeah they still need to test it.
wheat plume
I assume the same wilkl happen with Ironside for her
reef patrol
The cost is the activation key.
wheat plume
so therefor, I can save her that 100 dollars
and to activate it, she just logs in with the MS account
AND SHE DOESNT HAVE ACCESS TO THE EMAIL HER WINDOWS LICENSE IS LINKED TO 🤦♀️
AGHHH, cant save the 100 now
LOL
what are the chances this board has bad rollover?
This is Ironside
she said her current PC is from them so thats why she picked it again
cursive summit
wheat plume
Id assume they will install Windows to the 500GB drive... surely they wont fuck that up
coarse cloak
LMAO
my desktop was bloated like that once, now it's fine
wheat plume
All my lecturers in college had THE ENTIRE DESKTOP COVERED IN ICONS
🤦♀️
Except the one guy who uses Linux on his laptop
he had like 10 only
huh?
even the GPUs were not in the right order
They put 3060TI after the 4070TI
lower price and all
it wasnt sorted by price increase like the rest of the components
cries in 3200
halcyon moss
https://www.phoronix.com/review/apple-m2-zen4-mobile
Interesting comparison, but does Linux run at full speed on an m2?
wheat plume
Look, I was told to use Ironside
Therefor, I will use Ironside
They literally sent me a link to the ironside website and said 2000 is my budget
ashen spindle
so then you tell them other sites seems to be able to make better options for the same money
if they then insist on not getting a better deal its on them
halcyon moss
Just be careful not yes become their helpdesk
pale sigil
Is ironside the place with a dick logo
ashen spindle
Just be careful not yes become their helpdesk
well that should not be an issue since those OEM builds would have the support desk
I mean if I consider someone a friend and they tell me they want to buy a 50$ bill for 200$ I would at first tell them they can get it for cheaper, then leave it to them if they dont want the help
wheat plume
Maingear is 70 more expensive for the most identical config I can make
and without KB&M like she wants
ashen spindle
why a 750w and why not a 5800x3d
ashen spindle
fair but in this case it seems to be chosing a prebuilt from an OEM so that vendor would take over tech help
ashen spindle
Interesting comparison, but does Linux run at full speed on an m2?
phoronix seems to have (had) some issues with their asahi tests for a while so I'd take a grain of salt https://social.treehouse.systems/@marcan/109465733912659889
ashen spindle
600w is enough we literally just talked about that like an hour ago?
wheat plume
oookkk
I send this link
is better build
idk wtf RAM brand T-FOrce Delta is though 😅
they good?
ooo
ok, good good
ashen spindle
ram brands in your normal desktop are also not relevant they all do the same
wheat plume
the only case color choice is black xd
oh boi....
you can upload any image for them to print onto the front panel
Behold....The Venti PC
:')
wheat plume
ashen spindle
yeah wouldnt one ssd be cheaper?
ashen spindle
yea
frozen ingot
lets put a shitty waifu pic in the front blocking all the airflow
wheat plume
600w is enough we literally just talked about that like an hour ago?
yeh but now the specs changed
true quest
right, the pic is the issue and not the panel itself lmao
wheat plume
there is no other case choice
wait holy shit
to add the custom image, its 100 dollars
WOOOWWW
reef patrol
I paid twice for the prints on my case. Just saying.
And four times that for the DESIGNS
frozen ingot
ya'll people nuts
reef patrol
Uh no. They're stickers that LOOK like it's been etched.
The art on the metal sides are UV printed.
frozen ingot
how many fps does this stuff give?
wheat plume
its RGB so +50
wheat plume
BOO, choosing not to get RGB doesnt lower the price
also BBOOO
no option not to get Windows
Bloatware Free
Doubt it
frozen ingot
why include a bad option? 
wheat plume
or do what PCSpecialist did with my laptop, leave it installed but not activated
Doesnt cost them either for that
reef patrol
Not at all. Just don't activate it 😛
wheat plume
^
late elk
a
reef patrol
Or if you're the US where Microsoft are literal mafia, just use a temporary production line SSD and test the PC before closing it up. 😄
reef patrol
Of course you can?
What tests can you not run, by not installing the OS on a specific drive?
wheat plume
if you can test other internal drives without issue, this is no different
Like having 3 drives in one PC, you can test them all
reef patrol
Here's a craaaaaazy counterpoint. Use a SATA drive for the install and testing.
wheat plume
Or have a 2.5 SSD you have Windows on
reef patrol
Hell even USB3 based ones are enough these days.
astral haven
all of these suggestions require that you put the laptop back on the production line after taking it off
wheat plume
?
reef patrol
These are...uh... desktop PCs...built to customer spec.
astral haven
you cant go straight through prod to install to qc
reef patrol
wheat plume
these arent mass produced ones
astral haven
yes they are
wheat plume
not really, the customer picks whats in them
astral haven
you dont just throw all the parts at a single workstation and have a single person build them
reef patrol
Yes. Yes you do.
This is exactly the kind of PC building service we're talking about 😄
astral haven
you have it roll down the production line, and the person puts in the correct part
wheat plume
yeah, working on the same order
its not passed between stations
well testing station and building
reef patrol
A place like Ironside has three if memory servers.
A builder, an artist (i.e. making sure any graphics are applied correctly) and a tester.
wheat plume
maybe printing if you get custom imahe
astral haven
even puget systems has a production line of sorts
reef patrol
Let's return to the part where you can - absolutely test an entire PC without putting an OS on the SSD's meant for the customer.
astral haven
and you dont manually install windows
you plug in the pc to your config network, and it pxe boots and unattended installs itself
you can pxe boot a diag env, but thats often not what they do in these smaller houses
reef patrol
Put the goalposts somewhere, instead of moving them back and forth between "small PC builder company" and "literal production lines made in thousands at a time"
astral haven
there arent single production lines that make thousands at a time
reef patrol
Neither of which - still - prevent any testing from being done without installing an OS. Which has been the entire core of this discussion since the beginning.
astral haven
at least not for prebuilt pcs
reef patrol
You may choose - not to - offer a config without an OS preinstalled. But this is a choice, not in any way or shape a technical limitation.
astral haven
wiping the os after testing is an extra step that may not be worth it
wheat plume
I just realised, does she know how to install GPU drivers?????
reef patrol
Wipe the OS you never installed in the first place?
reef patrol
I just realised, does she know how to install GPU drivers?????
If it's plugged into the internet, Windows does that for you.
wheat plume
even for AMD GPUs?
reef patrol
yes
wheat plume
ook
astral haven
if theres no os, its not tested
wheat plume
but usually those are outdated versions
reef patrol
if theres no os, its not tested
False.
wheat plume
if theres no os, its not tested
external....drive...
latent mural
yes and app
?
astral haven
so you arent testing the ssd
wheat plume
plug it in, boot up, test, unplug
latent mural
i need help xd
wheat plume
so you arent testing the ssd
Plug it in, boot up, test the internal drives, unplug
reef patrol
so you arent testing the ssd
What tests?
astral haven
alright but thats a heck of alot slower and with more manual work than just installing the os and having the tests run automatically?
wheat plume
YOu saying that if you install a second drive to your Windows computer, you cannot test that drive without installing Windows a second time to that new drive?
reef patrol
Read?Write?Stability? You can run every single one of those without it being the boot drive.
astral haven
well bigger one is automatically booting
because you cant build the production line for each individual config
reef patrol
Literally what
astral haven
it has to work for the average system
framework found it cheaper to completely construct laptops then disassemble them for their diy edition than to just throw the parts in the box because QC is super important
latent mural
so nobody can help me make this keyboard useable
reef patrol
so nobody can help me make this keyboard useable
#1019755933959733258 is a good place to start.
reef patrol
framework found it cheaper to completely construct ***laptops*** then disassembl...
And we're back to choice, not technical limitations.
astral haven
oh sure but if you arent optimizing on cost, the price of doing business baloons
we are talking about maingear right?
reef patrol
So you agree that there are no technical limitations to testing a PC custom built PC using an external drive, thus there is no technical limiting reason why you could not offer an OS-less config.
Great. Discussion over, moving on with my existence.
astral haven
obviously?
reef patrol
Clearly not, since you've been arguing for the past twenty of minutes or so with everyone else trying to get you to grasp what the discussion was in fact about all along 😄
astral haven
but theres also no technical limitation with hiring a person to build each pc
but if you did that as a prebuilt non boutique pc builder, you would run out of money faster than you can possibly believe
well no
as long as its not bootable i think you are in the clear
ssds and hdds come with data from the factory, its just hidden by wiping the gpt or mbr
its usually completely gibberish but ive heard of it being real files
wheat plume
probably no one, The option to get Windows is enabled by default, you had to consiously click Accept to like 4 warnings when I told it to not install Windows
It gave like 3 warnings to not pirate Windows and then another to confirm you dont want an OS
Yeah, after testing it, but it wasnt activated
on a laptop that is harder to do xd
cant just easily slip an M.2 or 2.5 plug into the slot
astral haven
its possible to do with pxe without touching the pc
but those tools are not easy to get or cheap
wheat plume
does macOS have an app menu? other than Spotlight
Even never seen anyone use one, they just launch the app from the applications folder in Finder or from the dock
astral haven
define menu
theres that menu that pops up when you click (or was it hover) over the applications folder in the taskbar?
astral haven
🤷 its kinda like the windows 95 start menu
its very much not trying to have more than 1 function tho
wheat plume
so its like the app grid on gnome? can only search and launch apps?
astral haven
apple button at the top left has the system controls like are along the bottom of that menu
remember the applications taskbar feature in windows 7?
wheat plume
no?
astral haven
ok so its literally just a list
fading ore
does macOS have an app menu? other than Spotlight
yeah macos has an ios-like launcher
astral haven
where?
astral haven
isnt that mission control?
fading ore
no
wheat plume
mission control is the virtual desktop view, right?
fading ore
wheat plume
ah, so it does have one
astral haven
yea like the windows 8 (non .1) menu
fading ore
Gnome is an Aqua clone but with desktop icons disabled basically
astral haven
but without controls
fading ore
it has near feature parity with MacOS's desktop
wheat plume
Gnome Overview > Anything else
wheat plume
Plasma has an overview now but its not as good as Gnome's despite being very similar in UI
wheat plume
Gnome does that too but also has a row of virtual desktops along the top, so you can drag an app icon over a desktop and itll open on it
super nice
or drag already open apps to other desktops
fading ore
Gnome is designed with more of mouse-keyboard use in mind
astral haven
I still don't understand why Microsoft refuses to let you drag windows between different monitors in the win tab menu
wheat plume
Gnome is mainly designed to be used by keyboard LOL
fading ore
MacOS pretty much requires touch controls
Since every apple device supports touch, it's not really a problem
astral haven
MacOS pretty much requires touch controls
Except their touchscreen support is inexistent
wheat plume
Hence the large ass touchpads on their laptops
wheat plume
but its an ergonomic nightmare
astral haven
But making things comfortable to use isn't aesthetic
wheat plume
ikr
fading ore
I think gnome would be really pleasant to use on a laptop if Linux had decent trackpad drivers
wheat plume
Gnome has 1:1 gestures now <3
fading ore
I wrote one like 6 years ago, but it was pretty heavy
fading ore
It had full palm detection, intention checks, and adaptive acceleration profiles.
But it also used about 60% of a GTX 1060
wheat plume
o.o
astral haven
My favorite part is the windows software trackpad that you can use when you have a touch screen device is better than a Linux Hardware one
fading ore
I'd have to rewrite it to be somewhat optimized to actually make a PR to the kernel lol
wheat plume
I love the Gnome desktop gesture, they are 1:1 so they animate as you move youyr fingers
fading ore
The current Linux touchpad driver has a very primitive palm detection (just area > whatever = palm) and no intention checks (will register unintended inputs).
wheat plume
you dont do the gesture then it animates
it matches your finger movement
and so smooth <3
fading ore
making macbooks essentially unusable since the trackpad is the palmrest
wheat plume
MUH ERGONOMICS
fading ore
I'll look into rewriting the driver. I think the new UNet architecture is a good candidate for an efficient intention detection model
wheat plume
1:1 gestures only work on Wayland ;-;
wheat plume
Wayland isnt an option on Nvidia :/
fading ore
It's really nice having a driver that can ignore your palm while still tracking your finger while it's part of the same "blob" on the trackpad
wheat plume
thats A SUS headline
fading ore
It essentially needs image processing to do finger detection when you have large area contacts
I mean, AMD's Ryzen-chan worked pretty well for marketing
Official AMD mascots :3
wheat plume
WAIT THATS OFFICIAL???
fading ore
Yes lol
wheat plume
oh right...cause GPUs are too big and heavy for PCIE these days
fading ore
It's completely unneccesary
unless your desktop is subject to regular vibrations
like if you use it in an RV or smth
astral haven
unless your desktop is subject to regular vibrations
well there are gpus that arent well enough designed to keep their cooler firmly attached to the pcb
they can bend the pcb in some pretty awful ways
wheat plume
I want a Stacy's Mom parody about Asuka's mom...
cursive summit
cursive summit
Official AMD mascots :3
Feels sad that AMD mostly just ditched Ruby for their marketing
And the asian mascots are also ditched, afaik
Never seen Ruby or the two asian girls ever come back
Been like 5 years since last time I saw em use them in conventions or events
Which AMD continued using for a bit iirc
fading ore
I think Nvidia def has a higher proprotion of weebs nowadays
frozen ingot
haven't seen nvidia use weeb marketing to my memory
ashen spindle
with how bad recent RTG marketing was it's better if they don't make it even worse
fading ore
And the asian mascots are also ditched, afaik
A lot of the marketing was towards China which they are now banned from exporting to.
cursive summit
OnePlus?
reef patrol
Mongol hordes?
cursive summit
Mongol hordes?
Stone age?
ashen spindle
nah china is still a strong market, consumer hardware isn't banned really just HPC/AI focused server hardware
fading ore
I love how that's the slogan for both of the brands people settle on getting because it's a bit cheaper
fading ore
nah china is still a strong market, consumer hardware isn't banned really just ...
Datacenters are the majority of GPU revenue for Nvidia
ashen spindle
yes but the people who would care for mascots are not overlaping audiences with those revenue markets lol
fading ore
You'd be surprised
ashen spindle
ok fair, but the ones in those markets are not swayed but it I should say, pretty big weebs and furrys and all in IT
cursive summit
Ruby is still the OG mascot
ashen spindle
you're not getting 500 racks of amd instead of intel just because you show the supercomputer buyer a mascot instead of specINT data
wheat plume
Get racks of AMD powered rigs and anime waifu racks
fading ore
You would absolutely get fired for buying intel for a GPU compute cluster nowadays lol
ashen spindle
it was a saying for IBM and now its the same for intel since amd is whopping them
fading ore
TSMC is on the process of moving base to the U.S, after which Intel's defense contracts would allow them to use their silicon without losing funding
It'll be interesting to see how they stack up on the same manufacturing node
ashen spindle
doesnt matter
the arizona fab of tsmc is N4 and not making chips till 25, likely 26
fading ore
It's actually kinda nuts how intel insisted on pushing larger SIMD for so many years instead of optimizing their frontend
ashen spindle
eh, that's not really the root for their issues
oh that was in responhse to SIMD>frontend
for fab idfk how they want to make that work but that seems easier in comparison lol
fading ore
I mean, the root of their issue is obviously their manufacturing capabilities and being stuck getting cost effective nodes competitive with TSMC
but that problem solves itself in a few years so I doubt intel will invest much into it
ashen spindle
but yeah if the TSMC fab goes online in the same time as intel's plan, intel is at 18A which is a N2 competitor, even if that slips and 20A as well, intel 3 should still be ahead of N4 so it still wont make sense to use that fab for current gen cpus
fading ore
Hey don't make fun of our 24nm Xilinx APUs :c
ashen spindle
it wouldnt be militay in that sense but aurora or similar HPC massive deals would still fall under that
fading ore
but yeah if the TSMC fab goes online in the same time as intel's plan, intel is ...
I assume if pressured enough by AMD intel will just drop the military contracts and start ordering from TSMC
although that would hurt their HPC sector quite a bit
ashen spindle
I mean that wont fix it either
they already do gpus on tsmc and that is not great currently
next real cpu is also on tsmc
arrow lake was supposed on 20a but seems to be tsmc N3 now
fading ore
I think the GPU was pretty decent for a first release
ashen spindle
SPR was a clusterfuck with so many revisions and delays not related fabs
the gpu was fine for consumers, it was supposed to cost less and do more, not be midrange competitor and unsustainable prices shortly before next gen came around lol
fading ore
I'm having to deal with DDR2 memory on some of our neutron beamline systems ;-;
It's kinda nuts how old our new hardware is :/
fading ore
the gpu was fine for consumers, it was supposed to cost less and do more, not be...
I mean, that was AMD's vegas aswell
It's kinda just what happens when you first step back into the market
your competitors have a massive lead on you and you're obviously not making back R&D costs on your first couple GPUs
ashen spindle
yes at a time where amd stock was 1/10th of current and they had nowhere near the money intel put into it lol
but it was more about them not using internal nodes for gpus when that was the plan as well at first
but intel is facing other issues
the tower acqusition needs to be done next month or so and china is still blocking it
20A seems like another dead node with no real product
and 18A maybe something slipped but thats far out enough for that not to matter but its not a good start
fading ore
I'm surprised no one has copied apple's approach of using a very simplistic front-end and cruching it with 16 channel DDR5 memory.
Their prefetcher and BP has terrible hitrate but memory faults and misprediction cost is absurdly low on the M series processors
ashen spindle
yeah that idk shit about I'm just coding in c#
fading ore
A prefetch miss on the M1 Max cost 14 cycles
ashen spindle
CnC has good articles about that stuff that tells you more about those deep dives
fading ore
yeah that idk shit about I'm just coding in c# <:havo:975821613415157860>
Current x86 CPUs have massive front ends to deal with instruction buffer reordering, prefetching memory, branch prediction to avoid jump load latencies, etc....
Apple basically decided to implement a very simple front-end with primitive algorithms and supplement it with enough memory bandwidth that missing every branch wouldn't be substantially slower.
The M1 Max released with 16 channel DDR5-6400
Which was about 32x the memory bandwidth of typical systems at that time
ashen spindle
I mean that as I do know the basics and am diving deeper but I'm nowhere near certain enough to offer any ideas or discussion about it lol
fading ore
I think the adherence to ATX specs on desktop is holding back development a bit at this point
memory on ATX is located way too far from the CPU
ashen spindle
ehhh vcache solves that
fading ore
It doesn't solve it, it's a bandaid that just makes the front-end even more complicated and expensive
The memory should be a module slotted directly on or underneath the CPU.
ashen spindle
https://chipsandcheese.com/2023/03/12/a-peek-at-sapphire-rapids/ here if you werent aware of the side I think you'd like their articles about chips
fading ore
I've mostly been using techinsights. This site looks pretty well written though
Also intel L3 cache latency is higher than M1's memory latency.
ashen spindle
their tools for bandwidth tests and such are also on github to try or modify
fading ore
https://chipsandcheese.com/2023/03/12/a-peek-at-sapphire-rapids/ here if you wer...
The article discusses a problem I've seen with intel for a while
They're still putting a focus on raw floating point throughput instead of things that's actually useful for performance.
Focusing on SIMD throughput is entirely pointless imo, there's very few workloads that effectively utilize SIMD vectors that can't just be done on GPUs, considering GPU's single thread performance isn't substantially lower than CPUs anymore.
astral haven
well intel is still pretty far ahead in terms of pure scalar workloads too
fading ore
well intel is still pretty far ahead in terms of pure scalar workloads too
Throughput is identical to AMD
1 cycle operation for MULSS
AMD has lower latency (3 cycle vs 4)
astral haven
look fam
intel benchmarks better
fading ore
in what universe?
astral haven
in the one we live in
fading ore
7950x3d beats every intel chip in almost every synthetic and real load benchmark aside from pure vector throughput workloads like BLAS/LAPACK
while pulling 1/3 the power of the 13900k
astral haven
only heavily threaded stuff
fading ore
It's 20% faster single thread
Intel is stronger on multithread
Intel chips can be clocked a bit higher since they have a larger thermal window than AMD's X3D chips, so pushing the 13900KS to 6.3ghz does get it to outperform the 7950x3d in most workloads
but it also pulls 700W.
astral haven
dang dave hasnt tested newer hardware
fading ore
I've tested them
They aren't particularly close.
Tbf Intel's CPU is a decent amount cheaper, 20% less cost for 90% of the performance (and 300% of the power consumption 😭 )
latent mural
How can I join a server that I’ve been banned on?
fading ore
Ask owner to unban you
astral haven
look a heavily parallelized task that is purely running on 1 thread is still not a singlethreaded task
fading ore
look a heavily parallelized task that is purely running on 1 thread is still not...
It's called SIMD, (single instruction multi data).
Intel has very good SIMD performance.
astral haven
amd is massively better at vectorizing
fading ore
and that's about it because that's all they focus on nowaday
astral haven
no vestaia thats not what im talking about
im talking about the opposite of that
intel is better at pure scalar like prime seives
fading ore
Yes, and I'm letting you know Intel Skylake (a 8 year old node) has better vector throughput than AMD's 7000 series.
halcyon willow
I know you need a VPN
chill
astral haven
but amd is actually better at vector
astral haven
intel just throws the kitchen sink at it
well once amd realized that avx512 was actually nescessary, they started taking ws
astral haven
ashen spindle
AMD never implemented AVX512
huh yes they did in zen4
fading ore
https://www.pugetsystems.com/pic_disp.php?id=76714
Yes so that is still half the performance of the Xeon Platinum 8180 (a skylake cpu released 8 years ago)
fading ore
huh yes they did in zen4
I thought they were 256bit registers and just did 2 ops
astral haven
🤷 i actually could not care less even if they took 64b registers and did 8 ops
if its faster, its faster imo
astral haven
https://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph17585/130235.png
its faster
ashen spindle
yes its double pumped on amd but does the job better than intel
astral haven
fading ore
nor is the 12900k
ashen spindle
they dont have avx512
astral haven
lmao
to be entirely fair, Ian wrote this to be a benchmark of pure vector, so its representative of a workload that will generally work better on gpus unless you really need the precision, and even then, radeon and nvidia have chips with fp64 now
but it still makes a good example of how you simply need to feed the chips the data, and avx512 is very good at feeding data
even with avx disabled, running purely sse, amd still takes the w
i suspect a 16p intel would win tho
i really wish intel gave anandtech one of the sapphire rapids chips 😦
ashen spindle
wasnt ian already gone when spr was ready loil
also 12 and 13 gen dont have avx512 bc the little cores dont have it, early samples had it if you disabled e cores in bios but updates stopped that
and the next 2 intel gens on desktop will continue to not have it lol
which is a massive meme lol
astral haven
wasnt ian already gone when spr was ready loil
sure but he was also already gone when the 13900k and 7950x released
while he wrote the benchmark, he hasnt been running it for quite a while
ashen spindle
yeah not updated for it and he had direct contacts that would have made it more likely they could get their hands on one
ashen spindle
I mean, could still get them now or do it via dev cloud like CnC did it
astral haven
i would more like to see the xeon w 2400 chips tho
astral haven
more accurately the chips forcing amd to release threadrippers
ashen spindle
I mean, forcing is a strong word when they just compete with zen3 TR
astral haven
well no
tr pro maybe?
but tr pro is rather limited in availability and not as fast in games
ashen spindle
yeah because there was server margin to take and no workstation xeons around
zen4 TR should come out I think this year probably as non pro
storm peak with up to 96 cores
astral haven
yea and it was not gonna happen if intel hadnt released xeon w
tough luck buy an epyc
ashen spindle
true, but more because amd can demolish that market for intel and not because zen3tr alone couldnt hold up xd
astral haven
well it couldnt
it didnt have the st
also id be surprised if amd went as low as intel this time
intel is throwing out these chips with an incredible number of pcie lanes for very very cheap
ashen spindle
they better do after how delayed it got xD
delayed into a market that they just barely managed to compete in
gusty kiln
is it a tablet with detachable controllers or is that the whole thing?
gusty kiln
gusty kiln
wonder what SOC
wheat plume
It doesn't matter
It can't do shit without a PS5 anyway
ashen spindle
idk depends on what they want to do wiht it, dont hink it will be an 8gen2 or such though
wheat plume
Wait a second.... Is that android on it??
ashen spindle
yes
wheat plume
Hmmm
ashen spindle
also love how the comments talk about how its too expensive
when we dont know a price
wheat plume
That means it's going to be jailbroken eventually so it can run Android apps
Hek yeh
ashen spindle
did you think it will run ios?
wheat plume
It's meant to be a portable screen and controller for your PS5....I thought it be like a Switch, locked down and only let you stream games like intended
If you get full blown Android then damn
That's a whole new product
pale sigil
Ooft
wheat plume
Unless it's just running Android for hardware testing
And then they'll ship it locked down for retail
ashen spindle
doesnt matter for jailbreaks how it ships
ashen spindle
how would we know the thing is leaked not announced
wheat plume
I'm guessing it'll be just hardcoded to that color
You can change the color on those??
Oh
Ahh
ashen spindle
open source lab doesnt say its software lab though
ashen spindle
because why make the pc more complicated for no reason?
wheat plume
Our college had one lab with Linux installed that we used to learn bash in
ashen spindle
set up WSL2 and its easier to use for whatever you need
I guess technically I have done open source projects and all on windows and would not have been able to do it on linux
not without spending much more time at least
visual studio debugger too good
halcyon willow
https://www.amazon.com/INNOCN-Monitor-Computer-Connectivity-Adjustable/dp/B0BCK1...
27GP950-B refurbished for $350>>>
halcyon willow
Where is that deal, though?
OfferUp
halcyon moss
Why do you need 2.1 for 1080p?
jolly badge
cursive summit
Fymrin sometimes talks in codewords
wheat plume
I know what it means
but this is email
there probably wont be 15 previous emails in the thread
yeh .-..
crimson wigeon
RCS isn't really secure to begin with though
Heck most people using RCS probably do it through Google's Jibe
wheat plume
RCS is nice and I have it enabled in Messages but mosst of the people I text do not have it enabled .-.
so I can barely get to use it anyway
😅
halcyon moss
https://plugins.jetbrains.com/plugin/22282-ai-assistant
jetbrains also hopping on the ai train
cursive summit
Kind of just recycling yesterday's phoronix test for clicks
Tbf it does speak volumes for how much Apple is just optimized specifically for their hardware
On Linux? Trash. On Mac? God tier
frozen ingot
most stuff runs like trash on linux though
halcyon moss
Linux on m2 is still very experimental right?
ashen spindle
they have working gpu drivers and opengl3 or so works too
fair gull
Linux on m2 is still very experimental right?
yes
its by far not optimized or anything
just working somewhat
ashen spindle
the phoronix benchmarks are also sometimes not reproduceable as I mentioned yesterday so grain of salt for that one
analog sinew
sounds like it
old marlin
yep sounds very much like it
thorn cypress
most stuff runs like trash on linux though
The generic self built gaming pc will usually work great
I guess you're right if we count in laptops and all kinds of other devices
cursive summit
Lol what