but the spec could change and then youd have to change hardware
#🔌│tech
astral haven
rough osprey
rip Qualcomm
astral haven
?
i mean they are part of writing the spec lol
they probably will be able to convince them not to change
rough osprey
nah what is this
pale sigil
Ah yes
Monitor your mental health on a device that contributes to the bad side of it.
rough osprey
Therapists gonna make money
pale sigil
She just told everyone to touch grass
ashen spindle
oh god even more person tracking
astral haven
yaaaay
cursive summit
She just told everyone to touch grass
Yeah you little shits go touch glass
Become alchemists
rough osprey
lool
astral haven
well to be fair they are damn good at tracking
pale sigil
What's with the obsession of tracking your kids.
The biggest risk is going to school in the US Anyway 
No tracking is gonna help with that
astral haven
and apple would love to sell you a new one every 2 months when it breaks
misty saffron
What's with the obsession of tracking your kids.
usa is an idiot place where you have to drive children to school
rough osprey
No tracking is gonna help with that
It's gonna send your location to authorities if your state of mind is too bad
astral haven
wow apple
no xr?
astral haven
rofl
rough osprey
they got no light
astral haven
ah there it is!
ashen spindle
fucking finally took them long enough
shadow minnow
Self tinting glass? Would be cool
rough osprey
looks kinda good
astral haven
nah it looks awful
you need a headstrap over 100 grams
even 80 grams is pushing it
ashen spindle
ah fuck it seems fully wired
astral haven
obviously
shadow minnow
Yeah sadly
astral haven
theres no space for a battery in there
rough osprey
so apple vision when
astral haven
but belt mounted is the correct location for a battery and processor
i already have ordered the nreal beam
rough osprey
but the glass is cool af
pale sigil
So it's just AR?
pale sigil
but belt mounted is the correct location for a battery and processor
Mr lightsaber over here
astral haven
this is a dev kit and its gonna be 3 grand +
ashen spindle
this is a dev kit and its gonna be 3 grand +
yeah
pale sigil
So this is entirely AR then
astral haven
now they may not call it a dev kit like the original apple watch or ipad
rough osprey
So this is entirely AR then
no
shadow minnow
Hmm that may be self tinting glass
astral haven
its purely vr with passthrough
astral haven
people call that ar sometimes
shadow minnow
But they said shadows
astral haven
but its just not
shadow minnow
Shadows on irl stuff is
rough osprey
i mean transparent oled exist
astral haven
vr and ar are different physical types of displays
shadow minnow
No clearly
ashen spindle
dam apple invented looking
rough osprey
eyesight
pale sigil
Lol
astral haven
and thats actually real nice to have
ashen spindle
feature is nice the name is a meme
rough osprey
is this a screen or glass tho
astral haven
its a glass screen lol
ashen spindle
but why isnt it called iSight
astral haven
Wait maybe it’s not fully fully tired
thats the name of their cameras
rough osprey
maybe using iphone battery or sum
shadow minnow
Yeah
astral haven
🤷 yea because apple hates games
shadow minnow
We don’t know yet
rough osprey
they just made game mode
ashen spindle
it is a dev kit in all but name still so makes sense no amazing apps are there yet
astral haven
you are aware that the hololens had this?
shadow minnow
it is a dev kit in all but name still so makes sense no amazing apps are there y...
^
astral haven
hololens was head mounted...
rough osprey
hololens is not dead at all
pale sigil
Wasn't holo lens also just projected glass
shadow minnow
The Mac thing is cool
astral haven
hololens is not dead at all
yea it is
because it was practically replaced 5 years back...
i just mentioned hololens because it was first at this price point
pale sigil
I don't see the practicality of this at all
rough osprey
hololens 2
shadow minnow
Yeah phone powered
rough osprey
still getting used tho
astral haven
yea because they made it for windows mixed reality
ashen spindle
stock market aint a fan yet lol
astral haven
its already priced in now
rough osprey
so whats price
astral haven
3k+
cursive summit
Man those soliders don't get the good shit
astral haven
but noone should buy this first gen one
if you want this right now, you can get the xreal beam + air for around 500
ashen spindle
lololol imagine your dad comes in with this that shit on to record your cake on birthday
that looks so dystopian
astral haven
people will absolutely make dummy heads with bluetooth and remote controls so you can use it like a real camera
well if the cameras are any good
ashen spindle
rough osprey
hope this is included in the next black mirror episodes
cursive summit
astral haven
now if they do actually have ambient lighting that would be pretty sweet
pale sigil
It definitely looks pretty cool
shadow minnow
Not sure if its self tinting or all virtual but that’s cool
astral haven
"no other device in the world"
shadow minnow
Games
rough osprey
Gaming
astral haven
besides the pimax and the psvr
shadow minnow
Except 3d possibility
astral haven
thats just a controller issue
rough osprey
mickey mouse edition pls
rough osprey
no way all of them using apple watches
astral haven
anyone who doesnt would be escorted off the premises lmao
rough osprey
Utini
astral haven
yep
rough osprey
damn i can create friends
astral haven
here come the vr games
astral haven
apple would never stoop so low to work with facebook directly
shadow minnow
Ok technical side I am curious about
rough osprey
more then 4k
shadow minnow
the screens arent high enough res yet
They said they are
rough osprey
i guess
crisp granite
man VR can't remain a pipe dream forever
astral haven
They said they are
yea but apple retina is bs
rough osprey
if the fake screens are 4k
shadow minnow
We will see they’ll say
astral haven
if the fake screens are 4k
the real screens are 4k as well...
astral haven
insert lenses already exist for most headsets
rough osprey
it doesn't look that expensive tbh
astral haven
its gonna be 3k+
ashen spindle
It’s not plastic so even the chassis is expensive xD
shadow minnow
True tbf
Both the glass and the alumium will
Modular ok that’s also not gonna be good
Ok it’s gonna be 3k
I am convinced now
rough osprey
12€
shadow minnow
2€
astral haven
i would not be shocked if they sold it for alot more but 3k is the rumor
shadow minnow
Oh so battery
rough osprey
bruh you gonna need new glasses
rough osprey
ah nice
shadow minnow
Inb4 they don’t tell us the price
rough osprey
no m2 ultra?
astral haven
that means fan needed
shadow minnow
I doubt it
It’s apple
They didn’t put a fan into MacBooks
There’s no way they’d put it here
Like really no way
astral haven
if theres no fan itll cook your face
ashen spindle
Yeah apparently leaks said it gets quite warm
rough osprey
microoled?
pale sigil
Square?
shadow minnow
Not bad resolution could be better but it’s still a ton
pale sigil
What's the res
shadow minnow
Is there any headset rn with higher resolution? No idea myself so asking
pale sigil
I missed it
rough osprey
4k is like 8million
astral haven
23milion pixels in total
lol no
rough osprey
ye
shadow minnow
That’s before lenses
astral haven
oh dear m2
rough osprey
okay expensive
shadow minnow
But like that resolution is crazy
astral haven
But like that resolution is crazy
its 11 mp per eye
shadow minnow
Yeah
astral haven
thats nearing 20 ppd
pale sigil
Oh lmao
astral haven
humans are capable of seeing 80ppd
pale sigil
Its not glass?
pale sigil
It uses virtual eyes.
shadow minnow
What’s the current highest res vr headset?
astral haven
obviously
astral haven
What’s the current highest res vr headset?
varjo xr3
ashen spindle
What’s the current highest res vr headset?
Look at pimax‘s website
If we account Headset coming out this year
astral haven
varjo is at 40ppd but they only do it over a small portion of the screen
shadow minnow
So apple will be around that I think
astral haven
yea but again its behind the xr3 in terms of density
and the xr3 is real good but its not quite enough
shadow minnow
But like if it’s not whole screen it’s not well too useful. Well it’s useful but
Anyways I am curious about price
astral haven
its good enough for text but its not quite enough to resolve a 27 inch 4k screen at 1 meter
because they dont have xr3's?
hmm
rough osprey
Students??
astral haven
maybe because they are looking out of the corners of their eyes?
the xr3 only has that high res in the direct middle of the screen
ashen spindle
Yes students can use hardware at an university, doesn’t mean they expect students to buy it
rough osprey
Microsoft???
astral haven
the parents of the uni students buy the hardware
ashen spindle
In the us sure, here the university would have it
shadow minnow
The app compatibility thing is cool
Oh working with unity
That’s cool
Maybe we will get 3d games soon for it
turbid tiger
same with microsoft
here in Germany Apple is used because it's quite popular in the youth and lots of people know it
rough osprey
here in Germany Apple is used because it's quite popular in the youth and lots o...
where
turbid tiger
I'm always disgusted seeing everyone in class having an ipad
rough osprey
ah ye
turbid tiger
it's their own rn
rough osprey
ipad best hehe
shadow minnow
@pale sigil is an iPad shill too
turbid tiger
but our school will get actual ipads
shadow minnow
I'm always disgusted seeing everyone in class having an ipad
Why disgusted though
turbid tiger
Funnily enough the teachers all get surface tablets tho
pale sigil
<@171594634605232128> is an iPad shill too
I am
rough osprey
i see a mix of apple and surface stuff tbh
turbid tiger
Why disgusted though
Because apple fucking sucks
astral haven
the pimax crystal is 42ppd
but the apple should have higher fov so closer to 40 ppd probably
pale sigil
shadow minnow
Because apple fucking sucks
Depends. For iPads they’re good
astral haven
the nreal is at 50 ppd and its nowhere near good enough for text
shadow minnow
And well macbooks nowadays too
turbid tiger
meh still feel disgusted by their ecosystem
shadow minnow
I mean yeah they’re not very consumer friendly for sure
But I betrayed customer friendliness lol
ashen spindle
Not very human friendly*
astral haven
the xr3 goes up to 70 ppd, and even that isnt human eye level
shadow minnow
Ok I am a bit behind closing this channel to see price on the screen
ashen spindle
3.5k
astral haven
owch
shadow minnow
Oh Wtf
pale sigil
Rip
astral haven
yea this is a real expensive dev kit
shadow minnow
I thought they’d try to make it cheap
pale sigil
I'll get it in 10 years
rough osprey
ah ye comparing sourround sound system to 2 little speakers
astral haven
I thought they’d try to make it cheap
well technically they did
the tech is pretty expensive
rough osprey
whats the eu apple tax
shadow minnow
Teachers salary for third a year
rough osprey
5k?
shadow minnow
ah ye comparing sourround sound system to 2 little speakers
Well since it’s enclosed it can be that way
It’s same with earphones
If you have isolated
pale sigil
1gb ram
shadow minnow
You need only two
ashen spindle
whats the eu apple tax
same price globally
astral haven
yea the index earspeakers are insanely awesome
shadow minnow
I am surprised kinda it’s not M3
rough osprey
headphones don't come close to sourround sound system tho
astral haven
headphones don't come close to sourround sound system tho
thats only true if you dont have headtracking
shadow minnow
headphones don't come close to sourround sound system tho
They could in theory
astral haven
and they do in practice in vr
rough osprey
They could in theory
nah
astral haven
google made an insane tech demo back in like 2018 of their spatial audio and it slaps
rough osprey
it's still fake
ashen spindle
anyway next gen will be interresting but I'll look forward to get one to test at work
astral haven
it's still fake
its actually not tho
rough osprey
how will headphones represent a sound coming from above me
shadow minnow
how will headphones represent a sound coming from above me
You have two ears
If your whole head is scanned
astral haven
how will headphones represent a sound coming from above me
how can your ears recognize a sound coming from above you
shadow minnow
They just need to follow the sound profile
rough osprey
weird eq stuff
astral haven
vr is a different story
and earspeakers are a different story from headphones
the index earspeakers arent perfect but they are crazy close to mixing quality at least above 100hz
they definetly fall off a bit at the lower end
pale sigil
I simply can't see myself wearing that headset like that
astral haven
I simply can't see myself wearing that headset like that
ill let you know how a better more open version with higher ppd works when i get my beam
im really scared about the refresh rate and persistence tho
yea but the beam costs $500 total and is likely higher refresh rate
pale sigil
Just realised the quest went back to its default price
astral haven
look at nreal (xreal now)
pale sigil
Ik it's not new news
astral haven
yea they announced the drop when they did the quest 3
nreal beam is literally just 3 extra virtual monitors
and that means itll support everything
and because the nreal is actually ar, you can use your normal peripherals too
astral haven
the only interesting part os the software
pale sigil
astral haven
its literally just virtual monitors
but because its an AR device not a vr one, you can use your normal peripherals
and you can use it in combination with your other devices
and it works with every desktop environment that exists already
you get whatever desktop you currently have in whatever space you currently have
other way around
darker the better
but its tinted so its pretty tough to overpower it unless its the actual sun
ive used it outdoors and it works fine
it gets rather tough when you are dealing with noon sun on white surfaces but 🤷
and the beam just released
the nreal currently only works with android (with video over usb c out only) pc (ish) mac (ish), but the beam will allow hdmi and wireless input or arbitrary monitors
ashen spindle
someone made a point, this will not succeed if the #1 genre stays out of the app store
porn
that would actually sell it more
astral haven
if theres a web browser...
with webgpu and openxr its probably already on its way to being in web browsers
ashen spindle
yes but if there was a app for it int he store that would make it so much more convenient for people who dont know how to navigate and use stuff correctly
ashen spindle
if they all do it well I guess that works
astral haven
if they all do it well I guess that works
i mean if the hub does it everyone will follow
ashen spindle
yeah true I guess
astral haven
either way we shall see
if virtualdesktop makes a realityos variant, i may be interested
because despite not being great ppd, its actually probably gonna be pretty solid fov
astral haven
🤷 same as all the other dev products
remember this is the first gen
its gonna be equally outclassed by the second gen as the iphone, ipad, watch
and itll probably be half the price too
crimson wigeon
Oh yey got to keep my discord name, now I have no reason to be angry about the name thing ecks dee
sharp badger
https://www.theverge.com/2023/6/5/23738968/apple-vision-pro-ar-headset-features-specs-price-release-date-wwdc-2023 Now just put some Airpod max on and voilà the future is here or maybe the Dyson headphones 😆
frozen ingot
apple smoking crack with their pricing as usual
astral haven
the pricing is extremely reasonable actually
ashen spindle
yeah
astral haven
the problem is this is damn expensive tech
ashen spindle
hence its an dev kit in all but name
astral haven
but think of it like a pair of high end tvs + a macbook?
ashen spindle
doesnt matter what it costs in other currencies
ashen spindle
they cant just build it cheaper in europe
frozen ingot
sure you might get some spicy tech, but who's gonna buy this thing
except for filthy rich people
astral haven
what?
ashen spindle
developers
frozen ingot
and develop for who?
astral haven
filthy rich people have multiple tvs and macbooks already
ashen spindle
for the next gen that will be cheaper and more compact
astral haven
this is for folks with small rooms who want big screens
frozen ingot
every other vr manufacturer have trouble shifting their stuff at 1/3 the price
ashen spindle
as I said its a dev kit in all but name, so people buy it to make stuff for it and then a cheaper version follows later
astral haven
id buy one that ran android apps in a heartbeat even with the same quality screen
astral haven
every other vr manufacturer have trouble shifting their stuff at 1/3 the price
the quest pro sold 10s of thousands of units and it has pretty pedestrian screens
frozen ingot
and yet they're still hemorraging money on their VR business
astral haven
the quest 2 sold millions and its got an awful screen
astral haven
and yet they're still hemorraging money on their VR business
and apple is putting on the price that the hardware is to avoid making that mistake
remember these aint glass screens
sharp badger
https://www.pcgamesn.com/nvidia/rtx-4000-super-leaked-specs So are these going to be all the unsold GPUs with new branding? 😆
astral haven
these are silicon substrate screens
frozen ingot
tens of thousands isn't really amazing sales figures when you're used to shifting consoomer electronics like phones and laptops in the millions
astral haven
the original iphone sold not that amazingly
worse than the quest 2
and apple is looking to get this stuff into folks hands so that people can try it
ashen spindle
https://www.pcgamesn.com/nvidia/rtx-4000-super-leaked-specs So are these going t...
you can just ignore that, the source is a youtuber who has no fucking clue about anything
frozen ingot
I mean the problem with vr so far has been relatively high price of entry and few worthwhile apps on the platforms, pricing your headset even further way out of the plebians reach doesn't bode well for its success
but again, apple has pulled off success with odds stacked against them before
astral haven
the point isnt to sell units to everyone
the point is to get economies of scale on their dev unit
ashen spindle
they are also heavily supply constraint
astral haven
^ this too
ashen spindle
aka no point making it dirt cheap if they cant fulfill the orders
astral haven
I mean the problem with vr so far has been relatively high price of entry and fe...
and also this requires 4 silicon chips on tsmc
2 of them need to be n4 or n5
the other 2 of them are probably on a relatively old process but are gigantic chips, think 3090 die sized ( 600+ mm2)
you also have the front screen
So you can estimate price
a flagship smartphone with even more cameras tbh (front screen, cameras) 1k
basically a mid end mac studio (second large custom processor, metal chassis) another 1k
then add on the internal screens, no clue on pricing but think chip the size of a 3090 x2( 700 if we are being generous each)
the lenses (pancake optics from zeiss arent cheap) x2 500 each
thats 4400 of hardware tbh
astral haven
real sorry cameron, they couldnt spell my name 🤣
naive dragon
all good hahaha
cursive summit
Still only 3.5x that mac stand
fair gull
i know why its so expensive
astral haven
That sounds like a fantastic idea without any possible consequences /s
fair gull
golden connectors
cursive summit
i know why its so expensive
Must be that metal frame
Apple always charges 10x more the normal price if the product has a metal frame
astral haven
Well except it isn't that cheap any more...
The meta one is cheap because it's literally smartphone tech
ashen spindle
rumours say they even have to fix broken screens because its too expensive to throw them away and yield takes so long to ramp up
astral haven
Apple is expensive because it's 3 gigantic silicon chips + 1 more smartphone sized ones
astral haven
rumours say they even have to fix broken screens because its too expensive to th...
The screens are silicon and manufactured like processors lmao
ashen spindle
yes micro oled, I've seen enough on that tech xD
yes, that is the market its aimed at
ashen spindle
industrial use, showing ar overlay of a machine or such
ashen spindle
hololens is AR vision pro is VR
astral haven
What about the apple one?
As of today it's a 300 inch 4k OLED tv with an apple tv and airports max built in
It's the same as the steam VR and meta one basically
The native steamvr environment has basically everything besides passthrough
ashen spindle
quest handtracking is quite nice
astral haven
The quest does and works with steamvr
Apple obviously did a better job of integrating stuff together but is missing the whole v of VR except for Disney
However if you can use it with openxr from a PC then it'll be great
obviously its not what apple wants you to do
you just need an nreal
i mean xreal
screw whoever sued them to change names you should have sued them 5 years ago
vast geyser
hall effect car pedals when
wheat plume
They had to change name cause they got sued???
ashen spindle
xreal works better for them imo
wheat plume
Related to epic
astral haven
yea they are making XR
pale sigil
ashen spindle
Everything bad
because thats not true
also we have been over this, trademarks can be weakend or even be lost if you dont enforce them
so apple suing some fruit shop is over the top, epic making sure unreal is safe by someone else not using nreal is quite fair imo
cursive summit
I would argue that the trademark here doesn't apply
You are suing someone for naming their company Nreal, cause your software suite uses the word "Unreal"
A fuckin word
If someone made their own software suite Nreal, then sure you can sue
astral haven
You are suing someone for naming their company Nreal, cause your software suite ...
they hold the trademark for unreal
and both are heavily invested in vr ar xr
ashen spindle
they hold the trademark, it is a very overlapping market and it even sounds almost the same depending on how you pronounce it
cursive summit
Lol you just should not be able to sue someone cause they used a word resembling "Unreal"
ashen spindle
that is like as close as you can get without offering the same product with the exact same name
ashen spindle
A fuckin word
the word literally is the trademark unreal engine, UE unreal and whatnot in the different ways
wheat plume
I'm in severe need for a material you themed Whatsapp client
WhatsApp is a super ugly app
ashen spindle
like you can dislike epic however you want but keep a rational thought when a trademark is protect like literally every company would do it
astral haven
its for chatting outside of the us to non techies
wheat plume
I fail to see how Nreal and Unreal sound similar
Other than the real part
It's a messaging app from Facebook
Basically a super shitty version of Telegram or Signal
ashen spindle
the same way you pronounce nvidia en-vidia in most cases you dont actually pronounce nreal like its spelled
ashen spindle
yes
wheat plume
They do not sound similar enough to justify taking shit to court IMO
En and Un are very different sounds
ashen spindle
if you just mumble a bit it's impossible to tell apart which one was said
idk what to say
wheat plume
The Eh sound is very different to Uh
ashen spindle
I also dont say uhnreal
wheat plume
How do you say it??
ashen spindle
unreal
wheat plume
U-nreal xd
ashen spindle
un-real
idk I think that is easily something you can mention to someone and you can mistake and it that is already more than needed to qualify, then it's in the same business segment and all
literally the first video I find to see how randoms pronounce it they ask if its nnnnnreal, enreal or
final flame
"real"
rough osprey
what could go wrong
pale sigil
it baffles me the Pixel phones cant use HDMI
astral haven
it baffles me the Pixel phones cant use HDMI
Wiring the video up costs money
astral haven
Yes but you need to run wires from the chip to the port
astral haven
Samsung only does it on Galaxy s and the fold
Sony does it on everything
Xiaomi and Huawei only do it on flagships
pale sigil
Xiaomi do it on their budget tablets
lol
Xiaomi dont do it on lower end phones because they are usb 2
also
apparently it does work over DisplayLink
in theory this could be re enabled int he future right?
rough osprey
damn the new ipados lock-home screen is nice
pale sigil
it is!
rough osprey
so fun
the fluidity
actually already in German
guess they only had to copy from ios
pale sigil
iPad os simply can't be beaten
astral haven
in theory this could be re enabled int he future right?
no, the wiring isnt there
pale sigil
Me shaking XD
astral haven
welcome to long exposures
pale sigil
I can't even see that with my own eyes!
I
Is what it looks like without night mode
astral haven
yea its a thing that happens
rough osprey
damn might actually be worth
jade lintel
my entire fov being subway surfers with reddit tts in the middle of my sight no matter where i move my eyes is worth 3500 beans
old marlin
ofcourse it will change the world
wouldn't be apples first flop
how long ago have we heard rumors about this thing?
not really, no?
airpods max for example
can't change the world with another omega expensive MR HMD
even if it has been cooking for like how long
5 years?
longer?
crisp granite
can't change the world with another omega expensive MR HMD
…deckard will
old marlin
it's not a TV
crisp granite
You’ll see
old marlin
…deckard will
deckard will not be MR to begin with
crisp granite
YOU’LL ALL SEE
crisp granite
deckard will not be MR to begin with
Homie what crack have you been smoking
old marlin
what
crisp granite
I’m hype for excel on my deckard, tetherless
old marlin
is deckard not supposed to be VR?
crisp granite
is deckard not supposed to be VR?
It’ll be vr, I’m just fucking around
Although the MS office suite on deckard would be absolutely killer
I’d use it a lot 
Break time means exploring the commonwealth for 15 minutes… or taking a shit… or both at once, idk
Oh my fucking god
I know what I’m dressing up as next Halloween
YES
thanks for the idea
gonna need a lot of yellow body paint though
or purple, depending on my mood
That day
Very small
Not that cheap
If people could
afford them?
Gotta be priced to move to move, yk?
…
Yeah
I’d say everything in proportion
Vision pro isn’t a tv
astral haven
Xreal air
astral haven
Tilt 5 requires a rereflector
ashen spindle
They did mention that though
fair gull
looks like a pain
ashen spindle
Fun for a game or rare case but certainly not like the future
misty saffron
wonder how good they manage the voice input in the headset to be
ashen spindle
Reminds me of phone dials
shadow minnow
Hmm apparently the eye tracking being really good allows to just render sharply what youre focusing on
Makes sense
ashen spindle
Yes foveated rendering is old news
ashen spindle
No point on explaining what most would understand at them not showing the full 4K image
misty saffron
moreover valve already does that in hla, just without eye tracking
ashen spindle
Bit different as this will have it at the OS level vs a game scaling it
But is also needed here vs most other headsets just having a stronger gpu in the pc when tethered
severe phoenix
shadow minnow
That’s ridiculous ngl
severe phoenix
That's Razer.
ashen spindle
You already answered your own question
latent mural
ohh mb
fair gull
https://twitter.com/sherieffyi/status/1665867954104172546?s=46&t=F8xha5PyVk7WxVn...
sounds like they should get a wooting
severe phoenix
Sounds like Wooting should step up their game
Wooting doesn't even work without internet.
:p
fair gull
but it does
severe phoenix
nah I mean it shouldn't
Step up their game
Surpass Razer
Show you're the true Alphas
lol
fair gull
if thats what you consider surpassing we gladly stay where we are
misty saffron
coward
visual bloom
Hello, im getting this error : Device Init failed
Wooting 60HE ARM failed to init. Error: Error: Communication with device timed out can i get some help please :D
reef patrol
Hello, im getting this error : Device Init failed
Wooting 60HE ARM failed to ini...
#1019755933959733258 please 🙂
ashen spindle
Since there is no 7800xt yet, no
eternal creek
https://twitter.com/sherieffyi/status/1665867954104172546?s=46&t=F8xha5PyVk7WxVn...
I remember seeing Razer software popping up to install during OS installation/updates
hasty thunder
So is the 7800*M* XT actually using 7800XT chip just at far lower TDP?
that's basically an overclocked 6800XT score
reef patrol
*@EKWaterBlocks is entering the #SimRacing market with their new product, the "EK Sim Racer."
Starting at $19,900 (excluding PC*
EXCLUDING THE "#¤#¤% PC. 20 large! What the actual hell 😄
frozen ingot
tbh VR makes sim rigs like that pretty pointless
nothing comes close to the immersion of it
you get a whole nother level of depth perception too which is very beneficial for racing giving you a much better idea of distance between assets
reef patrol
With that kind of pricetag, you could buy an actual car and mount a steering wheel and a subwoofer to the seat 😄
pale sigil
Did it cheat on you
frozen ingot
yeah a racing wheel and a quest 2 is also a more affordable option
pale sigil
Or does or have commitment problems
drowsy bridge
nothing comes close to the immersion of it
I meannn idk sim rig racing is better than just being in vr
Being in a vr is good but full motion rig does feel nicer
To me
Anyway
visual bloom
Or does or have commitment problems
Commitment xD
frozen ingot
I mean sure you could still have the rocking seat and all
but as a screen VR beats just looking at a single flat monitor every day of the week in terms of actually feeling like you're there and percieving things with a more realistic sense of depth
visual bloom
i just want to use the features of the keyboard but the app just doesnt want to connect to my keyboard
frozen ingot
I think the simrigs should just drop the screen part of the setup and replace that with a headset
visual bloom
What are you using
i used both they both have the problem
frozen ingot
keep the rest
drowsy bridge
but as a screen VR beats just looking at a single flat monitor every day of the ...
1000% i agree and also when im in vr i tend to actually look around and use mirrors but i just find olaying on a screen or 3 better
visual bloom
Are you using the stock cable?
Stock yes
drowsy bridge
I think the simrigs should just drop the screen part of the setup and replace th...
Its just that some people dont like the pixels
visual bloom
Are you using the stock cable?
drowsy bridge
How some people are motion sick too
frozen ingot
the tech could still be better but it keeps improving all the time
I think as resolution and refresh rate goes up the disorientation will be less of an issue
but there's always an adjustment period
frozen ingot
I remember the first headsets I tried around 2012 and it was horrible, fuzzy, pixelated and low refresh rate
fading ore
They still are
frozen ingot
trying a quest 2 or a valve index wasn't nearly as problematic
drowsy bridge
They still are
Kinda
frozen ingot
so its definitely heading in the right direction
fading ore
Best headset for latency and resolution is the Vive2 and it still looks pretty shit
frozen ingot
I found it a bit uncomfy for 5 minutes or so but got used to it pretty quickly
whereas with a rift a decade ago the strain and discomfort never went away
fading ore
pixel density (per fov) is lower than 720p monitors at 2ft.
drowsy bridge
I play ac on sim rig 80% of the time i use vr it is great and feels natural it just puts me off so much when i get an eyeful of pixels🤣
frozen ingot
yeah
give it a couple more years and hopefully we got high enough res and refresh that it won't be so apparent anymore
cursive summit
that's basically an overclocked 6800XT score
... mobile chip
That is rather insane that a mobile chip matches a high end desktop part
The newest RTX mobiles are like RTX 3050 performance or something like that last I checked
cursive summit
Must have been the 4060 or whatever that was like 3050 desktop
astral haven
Prolly thinking of the 4050
ashen spindle
Lower end ada laptops are meme material but 200w into a chip is not that far off of a desktop chip from last gen
astral haven
The only way you would match 3050 desktop with 4060 mobile is if you give the desktop a waaaaay stronger CPU which can be possible but still real bad practice
severe phoenix
ashen spindle
Ew quest 2
frozen ingot
I mean yeah quest 2 is objectively worse as a headset
I'd still go with the first option though
astral haven
I mean yeah quest 2 is objectively worse as a headset
Besides feature set of course
ashen spindle
Get a Quest 3 at least smh
frozen ingot
1000 mcnuggets that's like 6 months of food
gusty kiln
Or buy 2 msi 32:9 240hz qd-oled
gusty kiln
1000 mcnuggets that's like 6 months of food
How many nugget you can eat a meal?
Assuming 10 a meal it's only like 1 month
astral haven
VR headsets do definetly have advantages over monitors tho
Specially with positioning and repositioning
ashen spindle
I really should put some comments and reports about it into a Time Capsule and seal that for let’s say 4 years and see how it is then xD
crimson wigeon
Maybe by then DECKARD will be real
pale sigil
Still waiting
frozen ingot
How many nugget you can eat a meal?
well ok if you eat 8 a meal twice a day that's little over 2 months
still tho
frozen ingot
you'd probably have to eat something else in between or you'd fucking hate nuggets for the rest of your life after 2 weeks
pale sigil
How many nugget you can eat a meal?
Max I managed was 24
I wanted to die
But I was challenged
frozen ingot
I've had a 20 piece nugget meal two or three times
pale sigil
And had to commit to said challenge
frozen ingot
when mcd still had the good coupons
and yeah that kinda sucked lol
nice for the first 12 or so
then it starts going uphill
frozen ingot
gusty kiln
Satire
rough osprey
bro hungry
gusty kiln
rough osprey
not too many tho
astral haven
Human limit is 413 apparently
Probably a lot lower
Since that number definetly was bad
marsh glade
A buddy of mine and I ate 200 in one sitting once
gusty kiln
Jeez
pale sigil
Together or each
rough osprey
maybe the last chicken nugget wasn't good
marsh glade
200 combined
rough osprey
so it's random
rough osprey
we should try again
pale sigil
How does one even end up with 200 nuggets
ashen spindle
I could understand eating that much food if it was good food
gusty kiln
Yeah
astral haven
So the limit is between 100 and 400
pale sigil
I could understand eating that much food if it was good food
Me and sushi plus debt
frozen ingot
A buddy of mine and I ate 200 in one sitting once
how stoned were you on a scale of 1-26
rough osprey
nah McDonald's
marsh glade
how stoned were you on a scale of 1-26
My lawyer has advised me to not answer this question
frozen ingot
gusty kiln
You gotta be in a certain mood for a McDonald binge
vagrant pagoda
Why not get wired audiophile grade headphones from a audiophile headphone company
Lol
ashen spindle
I mean just buy the index use it for music only
vagrant pagoda
Index isn't that good for audio
gusty kiln
Just for the novelty
pale sigil
Diet coke since I'm on a diet and all
severe phoenix
Index has HD600 level drivers
gusty kiln
Cool my B-die is coming on Friday
gusty kiln
Diet coke since I'm on a diet and all
I like how eu diet coke actually have a single killocalorie while America still clowning with 0 calories
I also like that they give joules as a unit
astral haven
Index has HD600 level drivers
If that was true, which it probably isn't
The index is overdriven to the point of distortion since the speakers are extremely open and further from your head
gusty kiln
How many nugget equivalent for a tnt explosion
halcyon moss
Diet coke since I'm on a diet and all
if you were on a diet you would not get chicken nuggets :p
fickle ore
Diet coke since I'm on a diet and all
59 britain dollars?? u should diet on spending bro
astral haven
Index has HD600 level drivers
It sounds as much better vs the quest 2 built in as the hd600s do vs the apple earpods
But the Q2 sounds decidedly worse than even the airpods
I personally prefer the cv1 in terms of sound quality...
ashen spindle
It’s for 200 nugget
severe phoenix
I have both the HD600 and the Index, and I'd say tehy sound almost indistinguishable
ashen spindle
He’s not actually ordering this lol
astral haven
I have both the HD600 and the Index, and I'd say tehy sound almost indistinguish...
That's a problem
Maybe you listen and order of magnitude quieter than me?
I listen at a level where my 6xx peak at 80db
analog sinew
i wonder how many chickens 200 nuggets is
astral haven
2 at most, and alot of other mystery meat lol
frozen ingot
well its still chicken even if its not the meaty pieces
astral haven
You say that but are you sure?
frozen ingot
we'd be seeing a lot of lawsuits start flying around if it wasn't
analog sinew
Horse lasagna :D
astral haven
The required percentages are quite low...
gusty kiln
Chick-fil-A nuggets are probably the best fast food nugget
cursive summit
Just what we need
An AI bot to see if anyone's sending titties or nuts and forwarding them to the company
frozen ingot
we care about your privacy so much we'll rate your dickpics before you even send them to someone
cursive summit
Imagine you send a little flash to your SO and Tim Cook appears in your DMs asking what's up
reef patrol
Erik tried to send you an auberguine. We rated it a solid 5/10
cursive summit
Ultimate rizz
hasty thunder
Diet coke since I'm on a diet and all
diet coke is literally the worst you can do for a diet
but who am i to judge with my 48 kg?
snow moon
An AI bot to see if anyone's sending titties or nuts and forwarding them to the ...
It works perfectly well every time as we've seen on Discord
frozen ingot
but who am i to judge with my 48 kg?
my lunch weighs around that
cursive summit
I wonder what kind of material they use to train their software with 
I hope it's open source
snow moon
You can send some random ass photo of a closet to someone and Discord will be like "hold up, this recipient has opted out of explicit imagery"
hasty thunder
it's not open source and you can circumvent it anyways by sending it to someone in your FL without a filter, then take the picture link and post it anywhere
astral haven
I hope it's open source
the fbi and whatever have databases and they are most decidedly closed source
vagrant pagoda
An AI bot to see if anyone's sending titties or nuts and forwarding them to the ...
Sounds like a good way to program a deep fake model
astral haven
or is it the nsa
vagrant pagoda
To turn any photo nude lol
astral haven
its a 3 letter agency for sure
vagrant pagoda
A I created blackmail
astral haven
Sounds like a good way to program a deep fake model
gonna get alot of pictures of furniture and sand dunes
hasty thunder
Sounds like a good way to program a deep fake model
time to deepfake the angry austrian
cursive summit
its a 3 letter agency for sure
Must be those bastards at DOA or ATF
vagrant pagoda
Mr bezos you're going to have to give me 5 million I'm going to release this deep fake image showing your tiny rocket shaped penis
frozen ingot
blueball origin
vagrant pagoda
Or apples long-term plan is x-ray mode for AR goggles
vagrant pagoda
blueball origin
Bezos seems like the kind of guy who spends a lot of money not being blue balled if you know what I mean
frozen ingot
he spent his adolescense getting blueballed by delivery company delays so he made it his lifes mission to de-blueball the delivery industry
gusty kiln
Bezos has one of the most disturbing laugh
shadow minnow
I was kinda considering getting the beelink gtr7 but looks like tax and duties not included in price on indiegogo where it’s cheap, at that point Minisforum pc is cheaper
shadow minnow
For me it was a bit more expensive, but after taxes much cheaper
marsh glade
The cynic in me thinks that they want to show y/y revenue growth before exiting in an IPO
shadow minnow
Gotta love capitalism
fair gull
yes
monetized servers
partners can setup paid tiers of support. discord gets a cut
and a lot of just general investment from companies
gusty kiln
Hmmm
fair gull
twitch and spotify invested a good chunk and got integrations in return
gusty kiln
Ah that's nice
crimson wigeon
Member the twitch desktop app that competed with discord? Good times!
gusty kiln
Damn discord is valued at 15 bil
fair gull
id say discord just got the right balance of ok in all regards
marsh glade
TeamSpeak FTW
fair gull
for example teamspeaks voice quality and permission system are unrivalled. but to text in a channel you need to join that channel in voice and you can only be in 1 channel at a time. you also dont get a backlog. servers? need to connect to all of them directly via IP or find em in the browser.
not to mention server cost for anything beyond 25 actively connected users
halcyon moss
I bet the 2nd most used communication on pc is steam
slack most likely
crimson wigeon
Does TS have a setup wizard (like Mumble) users need to go through? Discord desperately needs that
fair gull
discord just beats out other platforms due to a nicer package. guilded is hot on their heals though... especially cause of basically unlimited money due to being owned by roblox
fair gull
Does TS have a setup wizard (like Mumble) users need to go through? Discord desp...
it even has identities which would be a great feature to secure servers
can set a required security level and identities need to then compute up to the level
which takes exponentially more time
gusty kiln
Lol roblox seems like a sleeping juggernaut
crimson wigeon
I just hate how here on Discord I always have to tweak user volumes because very few actually bother getting it setup right, and then there are those who even with 200% volume are whisper quiet..
gusty kiln
Their engine seems nice
pale sigil
I'm in pain rn
fair gull
Lol roblox seems like a sleeping juggernaut
they have everything discord does but.... no nitro equivilant... cause literally everything is free
gusty kiln
Someone made a mil-sim type shooter on the roblox engine
gusty kiln
they have everything discord does but.... no nitro equivilant... cause literally...
Would be a nice backup if discord goes full capitalists
crimson wigeon
Guilded got compact message view yet or is it still the huge chonk nonsense?
pale sigil
I WAS TOLD SOMEONE WAS GONNA BUILD IT
Apparently the person who is doesn't do it very well
wheat plume
crimson wigeon
The heck?
reef patrol
Oh ffs... YT's doing another AB test. Broke all of my addons.
Can't hide shorts anymore, and now it's only 4 videos per row.
gusty kiln
Nice single channel memory
fair gull
Can't hide shorts anymore, and now it's only 4 videos per row.
as in the shorts shelf has no x anymore?
reef patrol
as in the shorts shelf has no x anymore?
As in they appear on my subs page at all.
I have a chrome addon that specifically filters those out.
empty wren
Easy solution use developer tools
reef patrol
Gesundheit.
astral haven
Well that's a little strange
A2 should be the fastest still...
reef patrol
In other "streaming platform shoots self in foot", Twitch is limited ads and sponsorships in a way that's hilariously impossible to do.
And or course their own streams don't even remotely come close to following the same guidelines
shadow minnow
It’s not well necessarily speed but noise
But b2 a2 difference hmm I am wondering what’s the reason to use B2 there
thick elk
The actual answer should be Why the hell are you trying to run single channel.
Besides that the practical benefit of using b2 is that it leaves more room for the cpu cooler, and at that point unless you are going for a memory frequency record small differences like that probably won't matter here
shadow minnow
The thing is it did lmao
For UK English
I am pretty sure it’s in the public version, probably still not fixed
shadow minnow
Looks like they didn’t fix it since https://twitter.com/JymFox/status/1665799627377975300
And like people on one discord I am at tried it it’s the same for them
@pale sigil do you have uk English on your PC
astral haven
Oh wow yikes
pale sigil
<@171594634605232128> do you have uk English on your PC
this is old news irrc
But no
i use UK
US
sorry
i also disabled that menu
shadow minnow
this is old news irrc
It was in insider first, I think it being in actual release is new
astral haven
^
fair gull
As in they appear on my subs page at all.
but they already disappear for 30days at a time with a simple click of the x on the right side
no need for an addon
reef patrol
What x? What right side?
Not an X or anything in sight (This is with every single addon that touches YT off and a forced refresh)
reef patrol
Yes 😄
fair gull
smh
reef patrol
Ah well. Guess I'll just put YT on ice for a bit while addons catch up.
reef patrol
I don't want to get polluted by YT's shitty suggestions. So I use sub page exclusively 😄
fair gull
ngl its been ages since i got shit suggestions
shadow minnow
I use home because I am lazy to subscribe
fair gull
mainly cause i dont watch em
shadow minnow
I use home because I am lazy to subscribe
It’s usually bad too
Like I watch wan show every Saturday
reef patrol
ngl its been ages since i got shit suggestions
Scroll through the shorts feed for a couple of minutes and behold the shit 😄
shadow minnow
Yet I have to search for wanshow every Saturday
fair gull
Scroll through the shorts feed for a couple of minutes and behold the shit 😄
as mentioned... i close the shorts section... its gone
i dont get any in home for 30days
and then i just click x again
ashen spindle
nah people are just confused because apple didnt use either term and 80% of people writing about it have no clue about the space
shadow minnow
And tbf apple didn’t make it 100% clear either
ashen spindle
yes on purpose and thats good
shadow minnow
Since there is glass in front it seemed like it may be see through and such but apparently it’s probably not and all virtual
shadow minnow
yes on purpose and thats good
Yeah. Tbf it seems like at least in theory it’s capable of doing both, but yeah mixed doesn’t sound as cool
fair gull
0 shorts
0 addons
and the video suggestions are almost all on point except 1 or 2 every 30-40 videos
shadow minnow
I approve all the tech videos
ashen spindle
its VR not mixed and not AR lol, it's VR with passthrough cameras and a screen on the front
shadow minnow
When you are using fully pass through mode though isn’t it kinda AR
reef patrol
Motherfucker's got 6 videos wide. But they're not all subs
You just can't win with YT 😄
ashen spindle
no passthrough still renders it so its fully VR
and you then put all the changes into the VR room not into a real space on top
shadow minnow
Idk the experience is basically AR, just glasses are still VR.
Though it will be self tinting but I guess good enough cameras work too
fair gull
Motherfucker's got 6 videos wide. But they're not all subs
i dont want all subs
nor do i sub to everyone
and yet all videos suggested is what i watch
reef patrol
Well I do. 
shadow minnow
Same honestly I am lazy
reef patrol
I just want the videos I subscribe to and nothing else 😄
shadow minnow
But like my suggestions often suck tbh
But YouTube got good at playing music
For me
Even though I only use it for lives/unreleased
Recently was listening to tht much more than studio music
fair gull
fuck me id be bored if id only watch my subbed stuff
shadow minnow
Same. But then sometimes I am bored
reef patrol
fuck me id be bored if id only watch my subbed stuff
That's my secret - I have enough subs to last me an entire work day, every day 😄