🔌│tech

[ashen spindle]

yea

especially in the eu the tracking will be an issue to get on market, since its easy that it could track people that arent you without them knowing etc. so I'm not even worried it would arrive here

[severe phoenix]

This TV sounds like a good deal

Also there's

A simple way to get this company in big trouble

What if this TV is in a childs room...and you know they change clothes? Badabing badaboom

[wheat plume]

OOOOOFFF

yeah

or their kid runs out of the bathroom after a shower and runs through the sitting room

[ashen spindle]

so they just run a filter that detects it and cuts out everything so they only lose some data but still collect the rest

so unless you put your naked child infront of it 24/7 that likely wouldnt do anything

[severe phoenix]

Nah man the idea this footage is even potentially collected could make a lot of shit go down

[wheat plume]

^

[ashen spindle]

if the potential of things would stop them we would not have a lot of things lmao

[rough osprey]

https://youtu.be/ooB8Tj6AStY

[ashen spindle]

yes this is a concern but I highly doubt they completely did not think about it or ignored it and if they just not capture it when the filter thinks its that content then it doesnt even record it locally

[rough osprey]

less go

[dark swallow]

i doubt they collect raw footage

prob only detect bodypart location xbox kinect style

together with facial features

[ashen spindle]

or that yeah

motion camera likely just is motion

[rough osprey]

finally looking good

i mean it's just an update

[severe phoenix]

https://youtu.be/zZhMuBqk7oI

[ashen spindle]

its great and all, but I aint going back from oled to something like that xD I rather hope we get some REALLY bright oleds and do BFI and such well

[ashen spindle]

and yeah, people already do insecure home surveillance xD so a tv with only motion cameras is sadly nothing new

[frozen ingot]

yeah I had a scythe cooler back in the 775 era

[cursive summit]

FUMA2 is an incredibly good cooler though

[frozen ingot]

thermaltake was always shit

except for some very rare exceptions

[severe phoenix]

The Amazon Coolers tho

Those are the best

The highest tier

https://www.amazon.com/Amazon-Basics-Computer-Cooling-Aluminum/dp/B09R4MDLMM

[reef patrol]

[severe phoenix]

We just need an Amazon Basics CPU, Motherboard, and GPU, some Amazon Basics RAM and HDDS / SSDS and a PSU, and we're on our wait to the AmazonBasics Home Computer

[ashen spindle]

Ring Home pc free for you and just keylogs everything and Webcam is always on

[reef patrol]

https://twitter.com/VideoCardz/status/1663068919098232833

As if 12VO wasn't bad enough.

VideoCardz.com (@VideoCardz)

ASUS reveals the first GeForce RTX 4070 GPU that does not require any power cables
https://t.co/qUHJxrYMV4

Likes

241

Twitter · May 29, 2023, 6:25 AM

[ashen spindle]

I mean it seems better than the 12vhpwr cable at least

Less cable, less user error

[reef patrol]

Fewer cables, more power running through the motherboard. More complex and expensive design.

As if motherboards we'rent the main point or failure longterm to begin with

[ashen spindle]

but since we are already getting higher layer counts due to pcie signals I think that would be easier to do now than some years ago

the failure point part sure that could be a concern

[reef patrol]

At this rate power supplies will vanish and become part of the motherboard.

[rough osprey]

would all the gan tech also have use in psus?

[ashen spindle]

The what tech

[rough osprey]

gallium nitride

[ashen spindle]

I mean thats still a bit vague but in general yes, smaller/more efficent transistors would work in a psu just like anywhere else

[rough osprey]

is it getting used yet tho

pretty huge size changes in phone chargers and all

[fading ore]

Most desktop PSUs target several hundred watts which is not efficiently handled by solid state transformers.

You could build a solid state 50/60hz ac -> several khz ac -> dc supply like those used in laptop chargers.
It would outperform existing PSUs, but the cost would likely be quite high (close to $1000).

Most higher power applications (including desktop PSUs) use switch mode power supplies.

[wooden cape]

my cable just broke randomly

it didnt even melt or burn

it just stopped working

now i have a sketchy new cable

couldnt get a cablemod one since those take a month+ to ship

[ashen spindle]

just as bad as the esports crossed arms lmfao

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jZ1wP10ImE thats the thing that confuses me why asus didnt add that as one of the first things to armory crate

[rough osprey]

[ashen spindle]

but also weird on amds side why they wouldnt work on adding that if they want to make z chips a viable market for devices

then again it seems like the z series is just bad bins of the laptop line so maybe they dont actually want to sell them?

[pale sigil]

8% battery on Spotify in 27 ain't normal right

[rough osprey]

what

in 27min?

[pale sigil]

Ye

@rough osprey

[rough osprey]

thats very high

[pale sigil]

I love this 7a but the battery is genuinely irritating me

Left at 5:30 with 29% and it's now 7pm with 5%

Which would seem ok if I'm bloody watching videos but all I'm doing or was

Was listening to my phone and checking a WhatsApp message every so often

Ok tbf I took 5 photoa

Something funky going on

It seems to be a genuine issue for the 7a

But no response from googlen

Google

I see so many battery issue posts for the 7a :/

No simple fix ATM

Was more than 30 min o.0

My phone is confused

Ye but it wasn't showing this before 😅

Oh

These stats are till 6pm

Which makes sense

As I started playing music at 5:30

The batter hasn't updated past 6pm yet

From 5:40 till 6pm

😅

Oh I get that

My original comment was me in the store keeping an eye on my %

I'm not exactly saying it's Spotify

Overnight I'll lose like 30% sometimes or even more!

Ye :/

Apparently I'm not the only one

Everyone keeps saying just wait for adaptive battery bla bla

[nimble canopy]

on my 7a i have no problems with battery
it dint charge at night once and only losed a few %

[pale sigil]

But it's been 2 weeks nearly

[pale sigil]

Ye I see this too

It's bizarre

https://www.reddit.com/r/GooglePixel/comments/13t950n/7a_i_love_you_but/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

https://www.reddit.com/r/GooglePixel/comments/13mkied/pixel_7a_owners_how_are_you_liking_the_phone/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

[pale sigil]

Can I see your battery usage

Out of curiosity

Because I fucking love this phone so much but the battery is annoying me.

It feels worse than my previous phone sometimes

Don't worry, we won't judge for the porn hub app

[nimble canopy]

i woke up 2 hours ago

[pale sigil]

Oh XD

A good question is how often do you need to charge yours

[nimble canopy]

i dont use my phone that much maby ~2 hours of youtube or media so i just charge it at night

but even with a few hours it usaly at 70% left at the end of the day

[pale sigil]

That just isn't the case for me lol

[nimble canopy]

i am using graphene os so i do have less google running in the back ground

[pale sigil]

I was at 60% when I woke up at 12pm and now it's 2% at 7:34 😅

Idk man XD

45% in 10hours with basically no usage

[nimble canopy]

thats way different from me i can still have 90% left with a day of no usage
i do have buetooth and mobile data disabled

[pale sigil]

:/

Maybe I should inquire about a replacement

Also Snapchat was viewing stuff not my camera but also wtf 39 minutes?

So for context on how bad it is.... my m9t with 45% battery health is at 81% and has been idling alll day today, last night and a bit of yesterday.... all with my original apps and a sim card.

[fair gull]

🐑

[final flame]

ah my favorite, pain and confusion

[barren basin]

Witchcraft

I currently have a 1 tb pci-e 3.0 ssd at 87% health

Should I upgrade to a 2 tb pci-e 4.0

?

For now at least

Where is that deal?

Is that some dram-less qlc thing?

[gusty kiln]

I'm still on all sata ssds

[frozen ingot]

sadge

[wheat plume]

This is so wholesome ☺️

[gusty kiln]

though none of the games I play uses direct storage yet

Diablo 4 might

also my nvme slot is right under my GPU

or behind it

[frozen ingot]

even my old 4790K rig uses an nvme

[empty wren]

Same

[ashen spindle]

well, there are more just not on pc yet

and idk if ratched and clank is ever coming to pc

[frozen ingot]

mine is in between the cpu and gpu slot

haven't had any heat issues though, but then I don't have a super high end overkill gpu either

[empty wren]

To be fair some parts of the drives like to run hotter

[frozen ingot]

usually mine sits around 30-45c depending on system load and ambient room temp

[empty wren]

How long have you had it just curious

Cuz after about 2 months mine now sits at 45°C at idle

[ashen spindle]

but the drive itself has barely anything to do with that

[empty wren]

I guess it could be the fact it got bent more and more over time

Because I think the thermal pad was not fully touching it in first place

[gusty kiln]

well mine will have the gpu blow hot air direct at it, not sure if better or worse than between gpu and cpu cooler

[gusty kiln]

ewwww, my mobo nvme cover is one big piece instead of separate pieces

[frozen ingot]

motherboard manufacturers sure love slapping a bunch of shrouds and cover bs on their stuff these days

but a 7-segment display? nah too expensive for our margins m8

that budget went to putting our logo in 18 places where you cannot see it when screwed in anyways

[gusty kiln]

frogot which is the cheapest to get a post code display and P/R buttons on the mobo

think B650 Taichi

asrock AM5 mobo only goes up to 600, or 500

while all 3 other brands easily go 1000+

high end builds just get the X670E Taichi and call it

[wheat plume]

https://youtu.be/xWL40q3DMoQ

I love how quite and smooth electric cars are... I really want to drive one some day

[thorny mirage]

Debaur made a video testing m.2 heatsinks and the big plate had the almost the best thermal performance overall.

[wheat plume]

My motherboard doesn't have covers on the m.2 slots...
And one is basically right beside the GPU

[ashen spindle]

thats perfectly fine

[wheat plume]

I've seen the SSD temps go up to 57 before

Which is nothing

[ashen spindle]

thats perfectly fine

[wheat plume]

Yeah xd

[woven laurel]

that depends on the potholes on the road

if the road is clear 16

else 24

[wheat plume]

Hhhmmm

Ireland has a fuck ton of potholes everywhere

Even on national roads

The ones that are meant to be maintained by the county councils

[woven laurel]

@marsh glade what do u think of the potholes in the netherlands

he sees it when he wakes up

[ashen spindle]

car rental depends on potholes? tf kinda determination is that

[wheat plume]

I doubt it actually is

Isn't it like a couple hundred per day go rent a car?

Never done it before

[ashen spindle]

time to google what it costs in your plcae then

would guess like 50-100 for a day

greatly depends on what car ofc

[wheat plume]

I'm not even allowed drive those

My license only allows cars

[ashen spindle]

also depends on if you do a big company or some personal renting thing where people lease their cars like airbnbs

but you can get a tesla for a day for less than 100 if you are looking for it

[wheat plume]

I haven't cycled in years
But if it's a bike with wider tires I'm pretty confident on one

The bikes with really skinny tires
.... I'm scared to turn anyway fast on those

Hmmm

Aha
...

app unlock
?

Oh ...

And if there is an accident
I assume it's you covering all the costs and repair?

Credit card insurance???

[ashen spindle]

yeah its why I use my credit card for travel and stuff, covers travel insurances in certain things

[wheat plume]

Hmmm....

That's so strange

[pale sigil]

@zealous cloakjust use revolut innit

0 fees

[ashen spindle]

I already have paypal so I dont really see a point in using revolut

[vast geyser]

beautiful car too

it's the new idrive 8 iirc

my g80 m3 had idrive 7

was lucky to get it a couple months before they switched

my cousin got a g80 m3 a month after and they delayed it so he got idrive 8 in his

and now that i look at it

i kinda prefer the newer screen

a passat would do you well then

i dont even use the infotainment on my m5

i use the dash for maps

and hud for speedo

indeed

i had a mk3 vr6 at 18

was a beautiful car especially given how old it was

i use carplay just for the music and maps

otherwise yeah its mostly useless

well i use it to beat traffic

and see if i wanna take b roads for more fun and still get to work in time

currently looking for a kit to make it look more aggressive

im gonna get a defuser and tips but im torn on whether i want a large lip spoiler or small

[wheat plume]

It's a BMW
People will still hate you on the road no matter what you make the car look like

[vast geyser]

maybe if people learn how to drive

like doing 40 in a 70

[wheat plume]

You are a bmw driver who knows how to drive?

[vast geyser]

yes

[wheat plume]

Rare

[vast geyser]

why would i not know how to drive

[wheat plume]

It's just a stereotype about BMW drivers xd

[vast geyser]

i know but thats mostly american

[wheat plume]

Yes

[vast geyser]

i try follow limits because of cameras

[wheat plume]

I hate when I'm the only one on the road for ages and I have to drive through a 50km/h zone

-.-

[vast geyser]

on my road specificslly there are none so i blast it until im close to the school zone then ill do like 15

but there's quite a few cameras near the main road

its funny tho because a load of them have never worked

[wheat plume]

Hmmm

If there is a speed camera on the road
Usually other drivers will flash their headlights at you to let you know it's coming up

[vast geyser]

yeah thats not something im comfortable with

some people are just not aware of their surroundings

and will walk into the road

[mild dome]

There is one part of the motorway in Sydney where it goes: 80>40>80 in across a 100m stretch. It's a leftover from when they had tolling booths, but they keep the old speedlimit in place because that area is fitted with speed cameras. That I am certain of

[vast geyser]

we have like a 5 mile stretch with no camera on a motorway

i did 198 lol

[wheat plume]

That's happened me today .-.
Driving through a town
A bunch of teen girls just walk onto the road infront of me WITHOUT LOOKING -.-
Then when I slammed on the brakes to stop
They turned to look and flipped me off

[vast geyser]

this was at the crack of dawn with like no cars

[vast geyser]

yeah thats the worst part, im always cautious in cities

[wheat plume]

Yeah
Me too

[mild dome]

Wish we had an autobahn or whatever the Germans call their need for speed highway

[vast geyser]

i havent had any points on my license since i got it and i try keep it that way

[wheat plume]

But the brakes on this car aren't as fast at slowing down the car compared to my previous one

So I'm not used to the longer distance I need to slow down

[vast geyser]

so ill only ever speed if i am sure i wont get caught

i was pulled over once because they thought my car was stolen

[wheat plume]

Need for speed highway :') that's a much better name than Autobahn

[wheat plume]

[vast geyser]

they see a brown man in a sports car

stolen

[wheat plume]

How do you prove it's not stolen?
Login to your car insurance account?

[wheat plume]

Oooh.......
RIP

[vast geyser]

no i had the V5 and registration with me

[wheat plume]

O

[vast geyser]

and it had my name on all of it

so i just let them check

[wheat plume]

How tf is that something they just can check on the fly?

[vast geyser]

they were super nice tbf

[vast geyser]

ANPR

they can pull up every little detail in seconds

[wheat plume]

Oh

[vast geyser]

just by scanning a plate

[wheat plume]

I see....

[vast geyser]

most places have it now

not so common in the US

[wheat plume]

My insurance company was able to tell me more about the car than my dealership was just from me telling them the license plate number

[ashen spindle]

Nah I wish we would finally get rid of that and out limits on it

[vast geyser]

yeah that wouldnt fly here lol

if you dont report it to your insurance or dvla theyll cancel your insurance

[wheat plume]

... Bruh

[vast geyser]

some cops will let you go if you say you forgot or whatnot

but if they're a dick then too bad

its why i decided to just ceramic and ppf my car

[wheat plume]

Wat

[vast geyser]

lmao

is it a different vin

ah just panels

[wheat plume]

Oh wtf

[vast geyser]

yeah my vr6 had a yellow hood

but the rest was factory pearlescent purple black

still wish vw had that as a colour

was so cool

[wheat plume]

My new car is a dark grey and I'm happy with that

I hated the glossy bright ass red my previous car was

[vast geyser]

yeah they looked nice too

i was gonna wrap my car in red

like a satin red

[gusty kiln]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlWT_TdOK6s

[wheat plume]

But not glossy xd

[gusty kiln]

GN's supercuts are always funny to watch

[vast geyser]

but decided against it cause i kinda liked the black

[wheat plume]

A matte black would be so nice

[vast geyser]

my evo was wrapped black tho

[wheat plume]

I'd love to have a white car but the place I live
It would be a nightmare to keep clean

[vast geyser]

same here but i still get pollen all over mine

[wheat plume]

I've had my car for almost 2 months now
And I've washed bird shit off it multiple times already

Fucking birds building nests on the damn house

[gusty kiln]

the crysis "joke"

they were employees

6500XT electric boogaloo

[mild dome]

It's really too bad AMD is letting Nvidia get away with this. We really though they would try to at least undercut Nvidia

[gusty kiln]

AMD have been undercutting nvidia the whole time, it has never worked

[mild dome]

barely

[gusty kiln]

covid era kinda weird though

5700xt was cheaper than the 2070 super at least

and same/slightly slower

not better

[mild dome]

Such is the state of the duopoly.
One company has a proprietary tax, where you pay extra for features you don't want or need
The other is slightly cheaper, but is taxing you on the "We aren't the other douchebag" tax

Reminder AMD mocked Nvidia for having 8GB cards before releasing an 8GB card.

[gusty kiln]

AMD def gunna leverage their AI stuff in the future, just dunno if it can match nvidia

nah I just meant the gaming features

kek no way anything is catching cuda

anytime soon

[vast geyser]

[gusty kiln]

the Rhodo video actually has a good explaination

[vast geyser]

yeah i just watched it

spoken to a couple r6 pros who say the same thing

[gusty kiln]

if they want to switch they'll need like an off-season

to adjust

[vast geyser]

it's a big adjustment

but in the end yeah it's better

[gusty kiln]

it's a bigger adjustment period than a new mouse

basically only fortnite and maybe Farlight 94

kek

I have a wheel but I don't play racing games much

https://www.thrustmaster.com/en-us/products/t150-force-feedback/

this is the one I have

normal Xbox/Ps5 or one of those custom ones?

all the apex players use battlebeaver

gunna be playing diablo 4 with my xbox controller

for a top-down-iso rpg, makes sense

[rough osprey]

why tho

[sharp badger]

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/asus-rog-matrix-rtx-4090-gpu Because it's "ultra-premium"

[gusty kiln]

at least the tubes do not jut out so that you can't close your side panel

[sharp badger]

Not a lot of people can fit 2x360mm in their cases (CPU & GPU)

[gusty kiln]

this would be the perfect case

https://cte.thermaltake.com/

AIO both mounted on the sides and heat go out the top

[sharp badger]

Yeah 😄👍

Phanteks NV7 would be ok too if one could change out the front glass (NV5 is apparently coming too no ETA)

The O11 Evo has the front mesh kit but can't mount 2x360mm rads on the front and side i think

[gusty kiln]

both as intake?

[sharp badger]

Yeah also "Extra-thick" radiator on the "Matrix" with it being a "Collectors edition" and launching Q3 close to $2000 🤔

[severe phoenix]

https://preview.redd.it/omedlt0b0t2b1.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&v=enabled&s=f75332238dbd72543b859320da7e11cda23cf7e3

[spice fulcrum]

g502 with razer focus++

[severe phoenix]

This is a real product

It's almsot amazing how shameless China is

[spice fulcrum]

logitech design with razer logo plus 5g technologi

dawng

btw they have 'cheap' uwu keypad im curious about they make cheap version wooting 60he

possible...

[severe phoenix]

Hope so, need these half off Chinese Wootings with better BC. 😛

[spice fulcrum]

don't need reciver becuase it use internet 🔥🔥

[severe phoenix]

Keyboard with -1ms latency

Predictive button presses

Wooting3 HE-AI Edition

[hasty elm]

[cursive summit]

That is literally how Razer brands 5GHz though

Just "5G"

Confused the hell out of me initially until I looked up how wireless bands work on mouses

Actual box

[frozen ingot]

inb4 tinfoil hats set fire to the shelves they're on because its harmful covid 5G radiation spreading mice

[hasty elm]

Nice now I can have better signal in my mouse

[cursive summit]

https://youtu.be/IlWT_TdOK6s

Lol I learned about this video from a reddit post

A lot of people were butthurt that Steve made this video

"Steves ego is massive" "awful presentation" "Imagine hating on apple"

[mild dome]

Razer 5G actually refers to the optical sensor. As in 5th generation

[cursive summit]

Barely has any dislikes on youtube, over 100k views in 7 hours, looks like a good watch

[reef patrol]

I too fail to see how this would help. Why 5Ghz?

[sharp badger]

https://overclock3d.net/news/gpu_displays/asus_reveals_their_rog_swift_oled_pg49wcd_super_wide_monitor/1

[cursive summit]

Polling rate might have been an incorrect word

[olive kernel]

monitors just exploded in price its insane. i wanted to get a ULMB 2 monitor but that thing is 1600€ in germany thats absolutely nuts imo

[mild dome]

Wireless 5GHz is less crowded (As 2.4GHz is taken up by Wifi, BT, a million other proprietary standards, and literal kitchen microwaves), has more available channels, and since the wavelength is shorter it has a higher theoretical bandwidth. So a lot of wireless gaming mice choose 5GHz over 2.4GHz

[reef patrol]

News to me - The downside of 5Ghz is that is also had much, much worse coverage and range. 😄

If you're having issues with your 2.4ghz mouse cutting out due, this ain't going to help.

[cursive summit]

You don't really need that range with gaming mouses

Like, in what scenario would you bring your gaming mouse to another room, away from your main PC?

[reef patrol]

Considering how many times I've had to move around my USB dongles for wireless mice and headsets, I disagree 😄

The PC CASE in particular is a great point of interference.

[latent mural]

thats cursed

[cursive summit]

We knew, thanks Walter White

[latent mural]

we need to cook

[cursive summit]

I'll have scrambled eggs, thank you

[latent mural]

i was thinking something else

how do u like ur steak done

[cursive summit]

https://tenor.com/view/woody-woody-toy-story-sora-kh3-kh-gif-27223516

[cursive summit]

As long as it ain't raw

[latent mural]

https://tenor.com/view/hk-hkgaming-justarichard-channelrichnews-h2da4thpower-gif-25752805

wally black

[frozen ingot]

why is markiplier wearing a hazard suit

[mild dome]

2.4ghz has longer range, but more frequent dropouts due to constant interference. It's one of the major reasons it is a lot slower and has larger latency.

They didn't introduce 5ghz wifi standard for shits and giggles. It's practically required in metropolitan offices due to the sheer number of 2.4ghz devices trying to talk over each other. And that's before you factor in the kitchen microwave malfunctioned again and jammed the network

[reef patrol]

You say that - And yet I've had to move the USB dongle on any 2.4ghz device I've ever owned to the front ports, to avoid issues.

And I live somewhat rurally. 2.4ghz is not polluted here.

I don't see how 5ghz with its shorter range helps there. God knows my Wifi's not great at 5Ghz range wise 😄

[mild dome]

2.4ghz has 4 channels of wifi at most

5ghz has a lot more

[reef patrol]

Yes - And as I've explained my issues don't seem to stem from band pollution 😄

[mild dome]

Yes, but I am explaining why it's a requirement for 80% of the population. For most living in even a moderately dense neighbourhood 2.4ghz would be terrible for a gaming mouse.

Also can't you situate the router closer, or is it stuck

[reef patrol]

I could - But it's already central. It's a question of range of a single device at the end of day. Anyway just me rambling I suppose - I don't have any 5ghz devices that are USB to test and compare with. My setup just doesn't seem to like having USB dongles in the back without having interference 😄

Hence my hesitation as to why you'd make that worse by going 5ghz

[halcyon moss]

are they even allowed to use 5ghz? i thought that was only allowed for wifi

2.4ghz is a free for all basically

[mild dome]

Well a mouse is meant to be only 2m away from the reciever at most so yeah range doesn't matter.

For wifi longer range is actually detrimental at a certain point due it leaking across to neighbouring networks and interfering.

Routers have to actually stop transmitting when interference occurs as recievers can't hear anything anyway. So every router in range needs to take turns if the 3-4 channels are already all claimed

[mild dome]

5ghz is also free for all, but more expensive

As in the tech for 5ghz costs more power and money

2.4ghz being free to access means that a lot of devices don't have to worry about preventing noise in the band, that is to say if they produce 2.4ghz as wasted energy they are legal provided they don't literally microwave the population to death.

Irc anything using the 2.4ghz band is limited to 5 watts

[ashen spindle]

Hahahahaha just got around to it, holy shit jensen was on something else

[cursive summit]

He's on his Intel level marketing

Back to you Steve

[ashen spindle]

No this is worse

Like I hope this was not practiced or else I am worried for his mental of the next keynote is also such a mess

[frozen ingot]

I physically cringed when he pulled his whoosh sound effects

the heck is this guy on

every "joke" he's trying to pull falls flat, dead silence

god this is tough to sit through

[ashen spindle]

It’s the first live keynote since a while so I’m willing to forget it if the next one is normal again but man this one’s a struggle

[frozen ingot]

you thought our prices were cringy, well watch this - nvidia

[sharp badger]

Yeah but there seem to be a few deals already on monitors like the Samsung G8 OLED it is priced at 1149€ here now & the original price was 1499€

[olive kernel]

yea because of the burn in issues i would guess

[severe phoenix]

Is that the 49 inch one?

Massive issues with that one I read

[cursive summit]

https://www.ftc.go.kr/solution/skin/doc.html?fn=9216094d19044d3ff1dc5088a9448343a2b77fd880b599c199c8466a2adfdc8b&rs=/fileupload/data/result//news/report/2023/

Koreans approve of the Microsoft acquisition

Lol we're gonna have a case how Sony bought out the UK agency to deny it

They are the only ones not allowing it go through

[ashen spindle]

US also wants to stop it but need to go through a judge

[crimson wigeon]

But cloud gaming!

[mild dome]

Destroy clouds, sunshine all day every day

And night for that matter

[fading ore]

The Alienware OLED monitor (AW3423DW) is the same panel supplied by samsung. Identical in measurements by rtings

$100 cheaper.

https://www.rtings.com/monitor/reviews/dell/alienware-aw3423dw
https://www.rtings.com/monitor/reviews/samsung/odyssey-oled-g8-g85sb-s34bg85

[sharp badger]

It's priced at 1100€ here so between the DW/DWF and G8 it's just whatever feature is more interesting and that 50€ is whatever

[fading ore]

It's a bit disappointing there's no options for monitors with high contrast and brightness.
The best display I could find under $4000 is the 34M2C7600MV, but still falls quite a bit short even compared to the built-in display on macbooks.

[severe phoenix]

I've had one for a year

Graet monitor

the DW, that is

Great*

[sharp badger]

It's priced at 1200€~ here

[pale sigil]

2 hours I've used 22%!!!!

All I've used is discord and WhatsApp.

No calling etc

[fading ore]

That's pretty decent isn't it? If you have 9 hours of SOT?

[reef patrol]

That seems very normal?

I'd use more in two hours.

[pale sigil]

Not 2 hours of screen use!

[fading ore]

How long have you been using it?

[pale sigil]

This phone?

[fading ore]

You said 2 hours you used 22%. How much of that is actually using the phone?

[pale sigil]

Oh, only the last 20 minutes ive been using it, before was just checking my messages and putting it in my pocket.

This phone used 15-20% idle when asleep too!

[fading ore]

Weird. That phone should have pretty good idle life, about 3%/hr drain on a new unit.

[ashen spindle]

7a has known issues with battery life just nobody really knows what’s causing it yet because it’s not happening for everyone

[pale sigil]

Ye and it's driving me through the roof

This phone is becoming less reliable than my last which is messed up

[fading ore]

Could you run htop and check what's using CPU (during idle).

[pale sigil]

I can't do that

[fading ore]

From an ADB terminal, attach the device and run adb shell top
Documentation is here https://developer.android.com/tools/adb

[woven laurel]

luxurary problems

[pale sigil]

Luxury? XD

I paid for a phone and the battery is bad ATM, ain't no luxury issues.

My budget phone was having less problems

[fading ore]

I had a few phones from Samsung and Xiaomi but they've always had very limited ability for users to manage background processes. After a few months of use the idle processor usage became high enough to drain the battery in less than a day.
I eventually gave up and just bought iPhones

[severe phoenix]

My S21 5G drains about 0.4%/h idle

[ashen spindle]

I would just wait and see if google or someone finds the issue and release a fix for it

[fading ore]

My S7 and S9 drained about 5%/hr idle.

[severe phoenix]

That's high

My S7 was around 0.7% idle

[pale sigil]

Then I lose the ability to return :/ if it genuinely doesn't get fixed for months I'd be annoyed

[fading ore]

Yes, the S7 on the version of android Tmobile shipped with kept the LTE radio at max power even when connected to WLAN if the LTE signal is weak.

[pale sigil]

My M9T idles at fuck all overnight and even when I ran YouTube music on both background it used 5% less in an hour.

Same apps and both running a sim

Not the best test Ik!

[pale sigil]

This the 7a?

[ashen spindle]

I mean can still wait for return window and then decide, also I’m pretty sure that should qualify as broken enough to send back under warranty

[fading ore]

No, M9T

[pale sigil]

I'm using a pixel 7a

Atm

[cursive summit]

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/05/30/everyone-is-a-programmer-with-generative-ai-nvidia-ceo-.html

He's kinda right

There are people just making plain old websites nowadays just with AI and no experience in coding

But you aren't making anything worthwhile

[fair gull]

No longer will programmers need to write lines of code, only for it to display the dreaded “fail to compile” because of a missing semicolon.

bruh if your IDE doesnt tell you about this.... youre doing smth wrong

also the code ive seen from ai was usually ok-ish at best

[fading ore]

I've been trying to get my hands on a Nvidia H100. I've asked several people at Amazon Pasadena but no one had any units they could lend me ;-;

I might just end up buying one

[cursive summit]

Some IDEs are actually horrible at displaying error codes btw

[fair gull]

id say only ancient IDEs

no one should use anymore

[cursive summit]

There is always some kind of typo somewhere, and the IDE just shits its pants and gives you a general error leaving me to guess, sometimes for hours, where the hell did it go wrong

[fair gull]

what shit IDE are u using lol

[cursive summit]

Nowadays I use Code, VS and whatever Jetbrains have

[fair gull]

all of those can tell you exactly where the error is

for code is mainly depends on the competence of whoever wrote your language addon

[fading ore]

Code also requires a fair bit of editing the linter configuration to work with a lot of packages (like torch, unreal, etc...)

[fair gull]

but if VS (after 2005) and jetbrains cant tell you where exactly their lexer expected a ; then smth else is wrong like the lexer being fucked

[ashen spindle]

Ehh not even, most like unity unreal and co have a plug-in that takes care of it, either first or third party

[halcyon moss]

sometimes still.. missing a ) or } can make it difficult

[fair gull]

it would still mark the entire line then

and tell you it expected smth else

[cursive summit]

Iirc if you have a block of code under a cycle of sorts, it'll just mark the end of the cycle and leave you guessing where in anywhere up to hundreds of lines is the problem

https://videocardz.com/newz/asus-rog-ally-gets-up-to-20-boost-in-15-25w-gaming-with-new-firmware

[fading ore]

My main complaint with code is that microsoft's cpptools addons could not handle recursive directories.

[fair gull]

id really love to see that to learn about it

[pale sigil]

Kek so true

[fading ore]

eg if you had a directory structure where a sub directory linked to its parent directory.
Cpptools would get stuck searching recursively through that loop and fail to provide any linting information.

[pale sigil]

Somehow worse

Google fucked up something that's for sure

[halcyon moss]

and thats why im buying samsung 😉

[fading ore]

The battery life looks pretty good from the tests online and the specs you just posted.
I would recommend attaching the phone to a debug bridge and seeing what's draining your battery.

[pale sigil]

3% in 16 minutes?

Cos all I've done is use brave

[halcyon moss]

~12% in an hour

depending on how heavy the website is.. might not be terrible

[pale sigil]

https://m.gsmarena.com/google_pixel_7a-review-2573p3.php

[fading ore]

If you have poor signal on LTE/5G and WLAN, it will drive up power consumption by a lot.

[fair gull]

jesus.... i get .4-.7% screen off

[pale sigil]

But again I never had this issue with my last phone

[fading ore]

Your last phone may have been configured to keep the radio at low power on idle.

[pale sigil]

Then why didn't Google do that

Because apparently they did for the pixel

[fading ore]

Google kinda sucks at making phones if it wasn't obvious from the last 6 pixels

[pale sigil]

6a got insanely good raving reviews though

[marsh glade]

I don't agree with this at all

Then again, I haven't bought a flagship phone in over a decade

But I've had the Pixel 3 and currently the 6a, before that the Nexus 5. Perfectly good phones, all three

[pale sigil]

Part of me wants to install grapheneos but the Dev is a nutjob

[marsh glade]

Still my favorite phone of all time was the Droid R2D2

[pale sigil]

Wonder why

Btw @thick elk I ended up buying a cable bag XD

[pale sigil]

52%

Probably bloody discord tbf

[fading ore]

clock 💀

[fair gull]

discord doesnt drain shit for me when i dont actively use it

[wheat plume]

why tf clock running so much?

[pale sigil]

Alarm?

[fair gull]

i have an alarm i dont even see clock on my battery usage

[wheat plume]

same

[pale sigil]

Oh

I'm using it's widget

[fair gull]

also same

[wheat plume]

not same

[fair gull]

i use fuck tons of widgets but they dont use battery when the phone is screen off aka idle

id check the battery usage after you wake up

cause it means u had hrs of idle

and it shouldnt be polluted by apps you used like yt etc

[fading ore]

Discord has very low usage for me even when open.

[pale sigil]

50%

[wheat plume]

htop on android?

[pale sigil]

47%

44%

[halcyon moss]

sounds like something is burning cpu time like crazy

[severe phoenix]

Tell me when. 42

[pale sigil]

42%

Welp

[severe phoenix]

https://tenor.com/view/42-hitchhikers-guide-to-the-galaxy-answer-life-universe-gif-11206785

[pale sigil]

39%

37%

[gusty kiln]

[cursive summit]

Oh hell yeah

[gusty kiln]

Tall as shit

[cursive summit]

Sony is still doing the promotional offer

Xperia 1 V is bundled with WH-1000XM5s

So, 420 euro msrp wireless headphones

Fun, cause I'm selling my closed backs

Could use those xm5s

[reef patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/grunge-black-combat-boots-aesthetic-gif-24646167

[gusty kiln]

Ulmb2 seems cool and all but when will nvidia find tune gsync with strobing at the same time

Some monitor brands have attempted it but barely usable

[cursive summit]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cng_J4sBaNs

I am having a hard time comprehending the rocket science behind... fans

Like, is there really a lot of science behind fans?

[frozen ingot]

yes

definitely

[ashen spindle]

If not why wouldn’t someone just make a better one every year

[frozen ingot]

there's a lot of science involved in finding good ratios between airflow and noise

[ashen spindle]

Airflow, noise, form changing on heat, stability on high rpm, pressure differences on closed cases vs mesh vs open

[frozen ingot]

yeah a fan efficient at lower rpms can become a lot less so at higher ones

etc etc

like aerodynamics are one of the most complex fields in science there is

[cursive summit]

Imagine working in Noctua when you could just work in Boeing or Lockheed Martin

I highly highly doubt these things are THAT complicated though, it's just a spinny fin thing

[ashen spindle]

If it’s not that hard why are we not getting more than like 2 coolers in the last years that are better than before

[frozen ingot]

waits for Vex to start his own fan company and crush the competition ez

[gusty kiln]

Noctua also are more careful with their releases

They probably have one of the lowest rma rates in the industry

[halcyon moss]

citation needed

[gusty kiln]

"Probably" just guessing but I never see anyone needing to get one fixed

They just don't launch products just because

[fair gull]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAsrLxaAkY0

[cursive summit]

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/05/30/nvidia-on-track-to-hit-1-trillion-market-cap-when-market-opens.html

[fair gull]

should have really invested in 2019

[cursive summit]

https://www.scmp.com/tech/tech-trends/article/3222337/intel-inside-chinese-firm-powerleaders-home-grown-chip-suspected-being-rebadged-microprocessor-us

So they copied Intel uArch

And just slapped a far worse node on it

Is that even possible? Aren't these architectures designed for a specific node

[severe phoenix]

I've had some Noctua fans for 12 years now, roughly

Used them every day of those 12 years

Still quiet, still providing great air flow

[cursive summit]

This isn't the hideout mate @pale sigil

[fair gull]

i3-10105 becomes (the oddly similarly named) P3-01105

[old marlin]

yea you can

[cursive summit]

Rather sus

[old marlin]

the 13600 for example

can be 2 different nodes

afaik

not optimized for the better one though

so they act the exact same

Tony at least dodged the new one

[frozen ingot]

chyna copied something

news at 10

[bleak slate]

rtx 3080 for 400 🤔

[hasty elm]

4090

[astral haven]

no they literally are just changing the name on the ihs

intel made them

[astral haven]

to my memory its 2 different dies yes but on the same node?

[old marlin]

no like

some of them are alder lake

some of them are raptor lake

[ashen spindle]

^

[sharp badger]

https://youtu.be/A-yOzkCfmaU Interesting with the new modular case also Assassin IV also kinda like the Teal "one of a kind" Computex colour

[astral haven]

so they are different dies on the same node lol

[fair gull]

??

[old marlin]

no it's the same design

2 different nodes

so some cpus are alder lake

some are raptor lake

at least physically

[old marlin]

they gave daedalic 2 million euros for the next lotr game

shortly after gollum came out

[astral haven]

intel 7 and intel 7

[old marlin]

also

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_jZ3BV6Adc

ONE GAME

[fair gull]

im confused...

[old marlin]

german government

gave daedalic money

aka

I gave daedalic 50 cents

for existing

[fair gull]

haha

sucks to be you

[severe phoenix]

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07M7Q21N7?tag=espresso004b-20

[sharp badger]

Oh Lian Li has also revealed some interesting stuff like this at Computex

Case : https://lian-li.com/23-computex-sup-01/

AIO : https://lian-li.com/23-computex-galahad-ii-aio/

Fans : https://lian-li.com/23-computex-uni-fan-series/

[fickle ore]

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/nvidia-ceo-intel-test-chip-results-for-next-gen-process-look-good

Let's goo intel

[sharp badger]

Maybe one should pump some cash into Intel stocks now 🤔

[fickle ore]

Also global usb > 1 khz fix live https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/topic/may-24-2023-windows-configuration-update-cae8524a-4b62-4d38-bb67-f070bd282fff

[tall yew]

I'm thinking of getting my brother his first gaming PC any suggestions ? it's mainly esports games, looking to run a 240Hz+ monitor, budget is about $1250

[hasty elm]

@turbid fossil

[hasty elm]

how old is u fam damn

[astral haven]

and im old enough to not have tv when I was growing up lol
except im not even that old

[hasty elm]

so 28 or 30

40 to 60

[fickle ore]

https://tenor.com/view/shades-on-muringa-twocolors-follow-you-looking-cool-gif-18629965

[astral haven]

yep
afaik the last folks who predate the tv are now dead

[hasty elm]

i didnt even have a damn leapfrog

[astral haven]

oh wait no

[pale sigil]

I think my phone was legit 5g like someone suggested

[astral haven]

there are still people alive who could theoretically remember the invention of the tv

[pale sigil]

Been using it for 2 hours constantly streaming music, video playback, discord, WhatsApp and my camera.

Only used 18%

(I turned off 5g before I left)

[astral haven]

googles ai is actually not bad at all 👍

[pale sigil]

Google ai is up?

[astral haven]

yep they added me less than an hour ago

[hasty elm]

did u watch the slandlots in theaters?

ehh i never liked that movie and. i watched it on vhs

[astral haven]

you do realize they just remade it?

Poorly ofc

its actually in theaters now

[hasty elm]

nah we talking the older one

[astral haven]

obviously lmao

[pale sigil]

Do I apply?

[hasty elm]

yup and just like the older one i aint watching it

[pale sigil]

@astral haven little mermaid that bad?

[astral haven]

you just go to the google labs signup page and apply

[hasty elm]

only thing i liked in that movie was the crab dude

[astral haven]

presumeably
ive never seen user reviews below 50% before for a disney movie

[pale sigil]

I was thinking of taking my lil cousin who's 8

[astral haven]

yeowch

[hasty elm]

when we getting fast 11

[astral haven]

itll probably be fine for an under 10 tho

and yea rotten tomatoes liked it ish

[pale sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/anakin-liar-star-wars-lying-gif-8634649

[astral haven]

Get rekt

I mean nothing I said is incorrect

Just hit apply
If you can't? Tough luck, but that's what you need to do

[gusty kiln]

Asus is going to make a glass pad too now

https://www.reddit.com/gallery/13vvwig

Probably

I bet the same people who make glass side panels

Oh yeah 8 heat pipes for the D15 gen 2 is chonk

Fuma 3 will only have 6 heat pipes

https://youtu.be/ZVpO4Owmgko

@vagrant pagoda

[ashen spindle]

10nm also looked good at first tapeout

[old marlin]

They basically do

There is more than one factory

But a lot of them are from the same one

Doesn't mean they have 100% the same surface etc

[gusty kiln]

damn dual system pc PSU or one 5090

is cannon their new highest end?

[thick elk]

I guess they are future proofing for the 5090

Also don't laugh it's a workstation psu so certain workloads can run those kind of gpu setups

Not that most of us really need to.

Also something americans tend to forget in europe we also have the option for 3 phase power.

[frozen ingot]

I think our standard plugs maxes out at 2400w or something like that

[thick elk]

European standard plug at 3600w or so, but there are some cases where you may want more as well. Such as for a cooking top or electric car.

In those cases you may want 3 phase power, Just looking around you can buy a cooking top that maxes out at a 10kw

[frozen ingot]

oh yeah my bad its 3680w

I've had safes pop for less tho

stoves typically run on 400v

[thick elk]

Most devices you readily plug in actually don't go much over 3kw here either

because A it makes little sense and B same as yours

Something like an oven and such can have higher amperage connectors if needed

[astral haven]

The difference is that in the us 3 phase power is 208v potential between 2 phases not 380
And the individual line potential you can get shocked by is still only 120 not 240

That means that 2 phase equipment is generally within safe limits regardless of which 2 phase you use

[thick elk]

I will grant you european mains is definitely more dangerous

[astral haven]

480v 2 phase is scarey

And 380 and 480 need different stuffs

[frozen ingot]

10A fuses are pretty common here on the regular 230v outlets which gives you around 2300w before it pops

[thick elk]

Only in older homes here in the netherlands

[frozen ingot]

the 400v 3 phase can theorerically go up to 4000w

that's what stoves commonly use, or industrial machinery

[astral haven]

Yeah and we use 20a on all our outlets, basically matching the total power just being less efficient

But rule of thumb 16a max on a 20a breaker obviously

We do have 30a breakers for 20a outlets

[frozen ingot]

I think up to 16 is more common in modern houses, I live in a building from the 50s and the landlord has 10A fuses installed on each rail as standard

[astral haven]

And we even have the provisions for 50a 120v plugs but that's just beyond dumb

Tho I have one lol

[vagrant pagoda]

I have 15a 220 outlet in my garage lol

[astral haven]

Its using an adapter to plug into a 50a 240v outlet and then running just 1 of those phases along a power cable to my car charger

[frozen ingot]

our old company premises had six 400v 3 phase outputs

[vagrant pagoda]

I wish I had three days

Phase*

The irony of me living on a street that has a high voltage feeder on top of the poles but them not allowing me to have three phase

Because there's no step down

And there's no way they're going to install a substation in my yard just so I can run a little more torque out of my vfds for the lathe

[thick elk]

Our home just has a lot of 20 amp fuses installed right now, but there is always the option to change things around for if we get an electric stove

16 groups atm

[vagrant pagoda]

My house I have set up with 220 running to each room and then just run a one phase to every other outlet

[astral haven]

thats slightly more scary than standard household

[thick elk]

That does not seem like the most sane setup

[vagrant pagoda]

All it is is saving one wire

If you run a tandem breaker you can share a neutral

So I just have 12/3 Romex running

The first outlet I used the black for the hot and the second outlet I use the red

And then just connect through the one that's not used

And I just installed the surface mount wagos in the back

4 3 spot wagos

And in my panel I used used dual tandon 20+20 breakers

[ashen spindle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TX6gaT0fz_M

[barren basin]

Where can I buy this

[ashen spindle]

q3 apparently

[barren basin]

This year?

Not too far off

[mild dome]

Oled is sounding so nice that it's tempting me to upgrade from my g9 neo

[barren basin]

I'm worried about burn in

But I do want one

[ashen spindle]

if they do 3 year warranty like alienware it should be fine

[barren basin]

It's a hassle to ship it in

But yeah that's a saving grace

Just wonder about the 4 years

I want my monitor to last at least 5

[ashen spindle]

yet

lol my brigthness on the alienware is set to 38% xD

[pale sigil]

Time to save up

[gusty kiln]

msrp guess is 1,999

[ashen spindle]

thats much lower than I expected

[pale sigil]

Oh it's 32:9

Fuck that

[gusty kiln]

that's my guess

[ashen spindle]

ah

[gusty kiln]

what do you think?

[pale sigil]

That's an aspect ratio for insane people

[gusty kiln]

wtf why did that show up

[ashen spindle]

like 2.5ish

[pale sigil]

Sticker suggestions

[ashen spindle]

maybe a bit more

[gusty kiln]

hmmmm

the 45" oled goes for 1700

[ashen spindle]

well I guess it depends on how well it does at 240hz

[gusty kiln]

dunno if they're comparable

[ashen spindle]

I guess they arent showing g sync panel so maybe not that expensive if they dont add that

yeah on second thought 2k might fit

[gusty kiln]

especially no strobing on all the oleds so far

ULMB2 won't work

[ashen spindle]

if theres no g sync module though I worry for its performance

[barren basin]

Do oleds need ulmb?

Thought that was mostly an lcd need

[gusty kiln]

LG C1 had strobing and it looked great

only issues is that it can accerlate the oled burn out

[barren basin]

I'm gonna call it pulse refresh

That's what plasma screens do

Motion handling is excellent on my 2010

[gusty kiln]

imagine if it was 240hz

[barren basin]

Black frame insertion makes burn out faster?

[ashen spindle]

Ah might’ve misheard just remembered at the start he said all screens coming this year

[astral haven]

correct
higher brightness = exponentially faster burnin

[astral haven]

240hz is just not enough 😦
gimme moar

[gusty kiln]

interesting

[ashen spindle]

but only because you set it to higher brightness to compensate right? if I'd turn off bfi and keep it that should be worse in theroy right?

[astral haven]

perceived vs actual
most bfi solutions are brightness compensated

[ashen spindle]

yeah I know but I mean bfi itself isnt causing more burnin just what is used in conjunction with it?

[astral haven]

🤷 bfi as a setting on an oled tv or monitor simply would
if you decreased the perceived brightness to compensate you are correct

[ashen spindle]

reminds me how people saw this and forgot about duty cycle or thought this was about effective brightness https://twitter.com/dsccross/status/1663595816521699331

Ross Young (@DSCCRoss)

You want more, I will give you more: Micro OLED specs for Apple's AR/VR headset:
1.41" in diagonal
4000 PPI

5000 nits of brightness

Likes

644

Twitter · May 30, 2023, 5:18 PM

[astral haven]

also gotta remember vr optics are insanely inefficient

quest pro is 10% of the display emissions make it to the eye

[ashen spindle]

my comment was thats lower than I expected lol

since the emagin spec from a few years ago was 10k nits peak lol

[astral haven]

well no

[ashen spindle]

though I guess 10k is >5k technically

[astral haven]

the pixel density massively decreases the brightness

those 10knit displays were alot lower ppi...

[ashen spindle]

oh true didnt check what ppi they were

[astral haven]

if they can do 5knit 3840 square 1.4 inch displays that would be pretty awesome for a display

wouldnt be fantastic for vr since youd be looking at 50 nits perceived at 100hz 1ms and thats for a relatively thick vr headset

the slimmer it is the less efficient it is

tho you could make it index thick and have it be alot brighter
no chance apple would tho

[ashen spindle]

yeah I wonder if that will make apple stock plummet or if they just say AI will make the apple-verse and turn into a 3T$ company lol

[astral haven]

meh, i dont think anyone cares about the apple vr headset yet

[ashen spindle]

will be a true showing of what tims vision will do for the company

[astral haven]

its probably priced in like airpower is

[gusty kiln]

apple def jumping on AI

but probably more similar to google than microsoft

[astral haven]

you say that but google has their search done already

[gusty kiln]

I'm interested if apple will make their own AI hardware or buy

[astral haven]

both

[gusty kiln]

will they forgive nvidia and buy H100s or go AMD

[astral haven]

no

they bought the engineers working on that hardware lol

[gusty kiln]

lol

[gusty kiln]

nvidia or amd?

[astral haven]

other

[gusty kiln]

ah

[astral haven]

https://machinelearning.apple.com/
google search a few names from here if you want

[ashen spindle]

if anything they would just gobble up a tenstorrent or similar or their engineers not really hardware from the big ones directly

[astral haven]

nah they already have their own stuff deployed

and its slow but its tiny and efficient

[ashen spindle]

yeah if they would want a new market to add to their offerings that they cant fulfill with their own tech though, that would be the way over using amd/intel/nvidia

[astral haven]

yea

[ashen spindle]

in house first choice, if not possible it would be either getting them inhouse or just turning a company into an apple company xD

[astral haven]

buy tenstorent and replace the cores they have with the existing cores and taking advantage of tenstorent's networking and large dedicated soc program

[ashen spindle]

for example yeah

[astral haven]

i do hope apple makes a dojo/wse2 class chip

moores law go brrrrrrrrr

[ashen spindle]

on the other hand nuvia (now QC) was made from the existing apple M1 dev team becuase apple did not want to go into servers so idk what they are doing

[astral haven]

Well server chips are less interesting

Hci is the new meta

[ashen spindle]

yeah but if they could have scaled the m series and made use of the fact they get the latest tsmc node before anyone else, they could've landed big

[astral haven]

What

Ah

But they did scale m series

[ashen spindle]

not to server grade though

[astral haven]

M2 ultra is damn near...

Apple just could not care less

Sorry m1 ultra for now

You could make an hci server using 20+ m1 ultras in a single standard size GPU server chassis

Looking at 400 CPU cores, 160k shaders, 3.2kw
H100 system is 120 CPU cores 116k shaders at what? 6kw?

[ashen spindle]

idk if it would scale that well thought because then you need to look at interconnects and memory bandwith etc.

[astral haven]

Obviously
As I said just for hci

[ashen spindle]

no clue if that wouldnt just require more energy to keep that fed or if you can scale it like that

[astral haven]

And that would give you less than a single h100 worth of ai ops rofl

Each M1 ultra is 22 tops ai (apparently)
An h100 can do 2500 tops ai

[ashen spindle]

an m series for that target would likely have different cores or at least extra ALUs to increase that specifically though

[fading ore]

Apple's GPUs are much less power efficient than Nvidias. They're generally uncompetitive for AI applications.

even accounting for MPS

[astral haven]

Yes
And apple probably could change that if they cared

[ashen spindle]

I dont think its quite fair to compare them when they are build for vastly different power targets and all

dont think h100 could be scaled down as well to a tablet chip lol

[astral haven]

Eh
M1 ultra still gets slaughtered by Nvidia drive systems

[fading ore]

I'm sure Apple has the resources to be competitive but so does 20 other companies (amazon, google, ibm, etc...)

it doesnt really mean anything to say a company "could" do something when they have no intentions of doing so

[ashen spindle]

none of those have the hardware node advantage that apple has though

[fading ore]

Apple doesn't manufacture any nodes, its all outsourced fabrication

[ashen spindle]

yes but they basically fund TSMCs research and get the new nodes for themselves for a while

[astral haven]

Orin is 250tops at half the power of M1 ultras 22tops

[ashen spindle]

then again I also partly want them to compete to see it fail and finally have people shut up about ARM being inherently above x86 and others

[fading ore]

They fund TSMC research in the same sense that Nvidia does.
They're a customer that buys their products.

They do not give them free money. All transactions between Apple and TSMC are contracts to fill chip manufacturing orders.

[astral haven]

That's incorrect

Apple does in fact have chip ip

[ashen spindle]

the last years apple basically had exclusive usage of the bleeding edge nodes of tsmc while nvidia was dual dipping tsmc and samsung for better deals, they aint getting the priority over apple unless they invest a lot more

[astral haven]

Well priority doesn't really matter much

[fading ore]

TSMC does not have supply issues. Nvidia typically buys older nodes to reduce costs.

[astral haven]

Nvidia is winning by insane margins even on aSS node

[astral haven]

Tsmc has limited supply

[ashen spindle]

oh yeah nvidia is making bank, but for having the hardware node advantage when it comes to the idea of apple making ai hardware, they would have an edge there

[fading ore]

Samsung had a much harder time with large die volume production but Nvidia still contracted with them instead of TSMC, which had sufficient supply to fill much more 3000 series Nvidia GPUs than samsung did.

Mainly because TSMC 7nm was about double the cost of Samsung 8n (for the same transistor count).

[astral haven]

Wasn't double per transistor lol

It was double per mm2

Nearly triple per transistor

also samsung has no problem making huge volumes
they just have a slightly smaller mask size than tsmc

[fading ore]

Nvidia's use of older nodes are not due to supply issues. The nodes they chose for the Ampere series GPUs had substantially more supply issues than the nodes Apple used. They require massive single chip dies for their GPUs and their target markets value cost efficiency much more than Apple's market. (The most sold Nvidia GPUs have always been the xx60, low cost models).

[astral haven]

they also dont have the IP to do the fancier packaging

[fading ore]

It's not about capability, it's about whether they are doing it or not. Samsung did not set up large volume production for Nvidia's modified 8nll node.

[astral haven]

supply is a function of units sold and price not just units sold

[fading ore]

Every large company is "capable" of doing pretty much whatever they want. But they'll realistically only do what will maximize their profits.

[astral haven]

thats actually very untrue

ASML is physically unable to accelerate their machine making any faster

and every single unit they produce is sold until 2025

every unit they have already made for euv is still running at as high of a capacity as the facility it is installed in can handle

all of the companies already bought what they could from asml, and now thats it
what they have on the way is what they will have, no amount of extra money will change any of their expected production rates until after next year

[astral haven]

but this is what tsmc is doing
they were out of production capacity, so they increased the prices to match
samsung's node uses a different type of machine, and had insanely higher production volume available, remember while tsmc makes more money than samsung foundry per year, samsung makes more wafers...

Doubled tho

Imo that's 116 layers effectively

[mild dome]

Aren't Nvidia chips also a lot bigger then Apple chips? That not only would mean more chips per wafer, but also a smaller percentage of defective chips

[astral haven]

Eh?
Depends which chip
We are assuming like for like which are slightly smaller on Nvidias side

If apple made a server chip, it would be huge

That's not true

Apple makes chips from the .2 watt range to the 200w range
Nvidia makes chips from the 5w range to the 700w range

Technically apple makes a larger range of chips by that spec

[mild dome]

I mean if Nvidia needs big chips then it's going to need a node that has the yield for the market.

[gusty kiln]

https://www.techpowerup.com/309381/akasas-gecko-turbo-cooler-for-ssds-features-a-blower-fan

blower fan for ssd

[latent mural]

anyone know if the colours are washed out on the xl2546k or if they are clear on my msi 165hz va panel they are kinda washed out and sometimes in val i cant make out the background from a person 😦

[hasty elm]

[latent mural]

idrc about that aspect of it some of the colours blur together on my monitor and its hard to play sometimes if its a bright wall or a yellow wall bcz i play on yellow outlines 😦

[latent mural]

yeah its like 1900 aud for the asus and 1800 for the lg i am not paying for allat

[astral haven]

And both are overpriced for now

Especially for a monitor that is highly recommended against for work

[latent mural]

if there is a 480hz 1440p im gonna shit myself and save all my money for that and then im gonna need a cpu and gpu upgrade 😦

[astral haven]

its coming soon™️

[astral haven]

all of these are rumor so 🧂

[latent mural]

that 480hz finna cost like 2500 aud

[queen acorn]

fr bro xD

[astral haven]

get rekt
gonna be like 1k usd

[queen acorn]

1k it's the 240

[latent mural]

isnt that the same price aas the 240hz

[astral haven]

few hundo more

[latent mural]

well the 240hz is 1800 aud

[queen acorn]

also 4k 240hz pretty interesting

[latent mural]

so it might cost like 2200

[astral haven]

4k240 is awesome lol

[queen acorn]

yeah

[latent mural]

u got the samsung one?

[astral haven]

is there another option yet?

[latent mural]

dont think so

maybe

[astral haven]

then you have your answer

[latent mural]

trusty msi ive had for 3 years is chugging along

[queen acorn]

so i guees you'll have an rtx 4090

[astral haven]

thats where you are wrong 👈 👈

[latent mural]

3090?

[astral haven]

yup

[queen acorn]

amd?

[latent mural]

3090 is more than capable at 4k and u dont even need high fps for story games

[astral haven]

a 4090 cant run 4k240 either

[astral haven]

you dont need high fps anywhere
but its always nice

[latent mural]

unless u are competitive

[queen acorn]

agree

[astral haven]

its still not needed

just wanted

[queen acorn]

then you won't get an 4k monitor xD

[latent mural]

if ur pro player then u need the lower latency

[astral haven]

nope

[queen acorn]

that's why the 2k 480hz oled is very interesting if true

[astral haven]

its just wanted

[latent mural]

u at least need 144hz 60hz is painful for fps games

[astral haven]

🤷 sure
but its not needed

also its not actually painful

what is painful is 30fps in vr

[latent mural]

i would throw up

[queen acorn]

that's painful in a real way xD

[astral haven]

i played boneworks on release

finished it within 48 hours

absolute pain

[latent mural]

whats really painful is jedi survivor i just wanted to play it and then whenever id make some progress CRASH