#🔌│tech
astral haven
gusty kiln
My 2080 never idled at 15w
ashen spindle
https://tpucdn.com/review/asrock-radeon-rx-7900-xtx-taichi-white/images/power-mu...
also not the same for all screens, my 4090 idles at 20% higher minimum
multi monitor at 60 is different form one or two 144hz in the mix etc.
gusty kiln
Like 30-45w
vast geyser
my 1000w 2080ti idled at 80w 
severe phoenix
I mean this is my 4090, browsing Discord
halcyon moss
meh, ltt vid seemed reasonable tbh
severe phoenix
11w
reef patrol
Keep it in one channel, please...
novel echo
ok
vast geyser
i was about to say
ashen spindle
I mean this is my 4090, browsing Discord
how many screens at what refresh rate
novel echo
i didnt knew were i had to ask
reef patrol
Then ask in one place and wait for a response 😄
ashen spindle
1080p?
severe phoenix
3440x1440p
tropic nacelle
11w seems pretty low for 2 ultra wide 175hz screens, seems doubtful the accuracy of what is reporting that
severe phoenix
No undervolt
Also I said technically because my receiver is detected as an imaginary secondary display
ashen spindle
ok so not actually multi monitor which is the thing that makes powerdraw up on all vendors
just detecting something else doesnt make the card do more
tropic nacelle
That's not multi monitor then, it's not processing a video signal. That is much more in line with what you would expect although still lower than TPU figures (which is right or wrong)
mild dome
I know people keep harping on about DLSS3 as a selling point, but bro
NONE of the games I play, or will play supports it. I can see the use of it but man to me the 4060 ti looks like a 3060 ti 1.1 release. I am willing to bet the 3060 Ti could probably do DLSS 3.0 if Nvidia let it
astral haven
Also I'm actually watching the ltt video, and he specifically mentions how sarcastic he is being, not sure how that didn't get noticed
severe phoenix
You gonna play Diablo 4?
mild dome
Nop
severe phoenix
Any game on unreal engine 5?
gusty kiln
I'm going to play diablo 4 on my 2080
mild dome
Nop
ashen spindle
Also I'm actually watching the ltt video, and he specifically mentions how sarca...
I just saw the thumbnail and that is not obvious sarcasm, then only saw how someone else pointed out misunderstanding how rebar works
gusty kiln
Jayz's reviewer completely did not read the room
astral haven
And I'm not gonna be playing Diablo on my adreno 660
ashen spindle
Jayz's reviewer completely did not read the room
I do not read rooms by jayz 
gusty kiln
ashen spindle
rebar aside I get the LTT video and think its fine, I just dont think a sarcastic title and thumbnail that is actual clickbait because its not visible that its sarcasm is a good choice for a review
gusty kiln
They'll change the title after a day
reef patrol
rebar aside I get the LTT video and think its fine, I just dont think a sarcasti...
I replied to it thinking they praised the card. So... thumbnail unsuccessful I guess?
mild dome
Unless Destiny 3 supports DLSS 3.0 I got little reason to care.
Ultrakill ain't ever going to need it
Most fighting games wouldn't benefit from it
By the time I get a game that supports DLSS 3.0 AMD probably will have its own implementation working
tropic nacelle
The 4060 ti is just poorly gimped, legit only advantage is being able to use FG which is not in many games and won't be for awhile (although it is improving).
Need to call out the greed where possible, it's poor price and too cutdown for the task it has.
We keep seeing how devs are releasing games in poor state and just using DLSS or fsr as a crutch to say "this is fine" which is not great, then you have Nvidia gimping products and say nah it's great as once you factor in FG it's fast! This is terrible for the pc market long term.
mild dome
Thumbnail probably should have been Linus with a unamused expression
ashen spindle
Fsr3 apparently driver side only
nah thats a leaker trolling people who dont read public repos
gusty kiln
Ah ok
mild dome
The 4060 Ti has the same RAM as the 3060 TI yeah?
Did Nvidia advertise a performance bump for it?
tropic nacelle
It will be interesting to see how good FSR3 is, if it's at least closer to DLSS then it will be ideal for everyone (assuming it remains platform agnostic)
wheat plume
Linux is still lacking high quality applications that people use and depends on such as good quality web browsers and media players
mild dome
Half the memory bus
Wait
the "upgrade" from the 3060Ti to the 4060Ti is a downgrade in the memory bus?
wheat plume
tropic nacelle
Wait
the "upgrade" from the 3060Ti to the 4060Ti is a downgrade in the memory bu...
The only real improvement is AV1 and ability to use frame generation..... It's poor for 2 year upgrade.
gusty kiln
Fsr3 using any AI?
mild dome
So
Big cost saving measure
But none of the cost savings are passed to the customer
ok
ashen spindle
thats not a big cost saving measure
mild dome
Halving the memory bus, doesn't that mean less traces in the PCB?
gusty kiln
It's also only pcie x8
reef patrol
fewer
gusty kiln
mild dome
One of the reasons people keep saying that things like motherboards costing more is the additional layers and traces needed to make shit work. Surely making 4060 Ti boards should be a saving at least two digits worth of dollars that could've been passed onto the customer?
gusty kiln
Nah nvidia is still high off the crypto boom
reef patrol
It is pretty disgusting for them to release an 8GB model at all, and ask a 100 buck upcharge for the 16 GB model*
The 16GB should have been priced at the 8GB and left at that.
ashen spindle
a few memory traces arent making any difference for that, you have soldered chips not ram that you hotswap
lowering traces is not like using alower pcie generation where the signals work different and new less protection
gusty kiln
I wonder how much smaller the die is
mild dome
Then couldn't they have had the same bus at the same price then? It likely would've helped performance in a lot of applications even if not games
gusty kiln
Holy shit
mild dome
Lemme guess,
Die is way smaller
mild dome
Yeah no, Nvidia definitely increase their margins by a metric crap tonne on this card
lofty pivot
Av1 is legit pretty nice if you like to record your gameplay, but pretty disappointing gimping they’ve done to the card lol
gusty kiln
No way new node cost 2x the old node
ashen spindle
it honestly might
ss8 vs tsmc4 isn't a cheap jump
not to mention tsmc did increase prices across the board too
mild dome
If that's the case, then Nvidia could have stuck with the ss8
mild dome
They would have known the chip would've cost way more ahead of time, and designed it for the cheaper node to start off with
Likely could have gotten a much better performing card at the same price
mild dome
Design the high end chips on the tsmc4, design the low end on the SS8
There you go
ashen spindle
same issues
tropic nacelle
That wouldn't be possible, it would cost significant amounts to design it to be produced in ss8, not to mention the big power differential that you would see a worse end product again
ashen spindle
you can design things on different nodes they have done it before, but if the nodes are not similar you basically need to make 2 different uArchs
mild dome
Nvidia could afford that tbh
ashen spindle
the lower end would've just been a refresh then, so you'd have a gap in the middle
ashen spindle
Nvidia could afford that tbh
it would cost them more than making it on the more expensive node
tropic nacelle
You mask it once for the primary node, you only do that again if there is a massive performance difference to move to a new node or the fab ceases to exist!
You produce these for the higher mid range skus and then cut it down to these performance levels from binning which reduces the cost of the dies.
The main cost of gpus is the theoretical cost by r&d to develop it, the actual raw cost not cheap but it's much lower so margins are initially quite high to recoup that masking cost and design, once recouped the margins can keep getting cut down to the almost the real silicon cost to make and ship.
mild dome
Fine
Just don't make a 4060 ti, could've saved a lot of money not designing it at all
ashen spindle
so you want them to not make lower cost gpus at all?
mild dome
I want them to make something better
Not the same but with tech no one gives a shit about
tropic nacelle
They just needed to not gimp it so hard, it could have been same price for similar amount. Not making it would be a bad thing for consumers but this product at launch is terrible overall
mild dome
If they can't advance, why bother?
See could have kept selling the 3060 Ti at an increasingly smaller cost
ashen spindle
and preach about RTX features that half they users cant use
that doesnt work out when they are so heavily investing into software
they have more software than hardware devs
mild dome
I suppose Nvidia is investing in software fearing the end of Moore's law will bring an end to their growth
ashen spindle
no they are simply smart and realized long ago that just improving hardware is something amd or others can easily catch up on and is not the biggest seller
tropic nacelle
Well software is vital, if your hardware is great but nothing supports it or uses it to the full extent it is crap.
Also software is a big market, they can improve their hardware with software and keep their hold on the market by getting people to use their technologies
misty saffron
I suppose Nvidia is investing in software fearing the end of Moore's law will br...
huh? no, they’re already heavily invested into hardware accelerated ai
tropic nacelle
Software is hard, just look at Intel entering the discrete gpu market 🙂
astral haven
they have invested an insane amount more in software than hardware for AI
and their ai hardware they heavily subsidized by piggybacking it on their gaming devices
gusty kiln
Dat driver overhead
pale sigil
Long time hickz
misty saffron
(I mean dlss and the like)
tropic nacelle
Long time hickz
It has been in deed. You get a new ultra wide yet?
astral haven
and dlss 3 hardware isnt used in their datacenter hardware
barren basin
Nvidia needs to be taken down a few pegs
crisp granite
I think they're starting to feel like most luxury brands
volume can be kept lower than needed to satisfy the customer base when the performance (at the halo products) price is there to match
and as long as AMD is perceived as a second-class option, that'll probably work
gusty kiln
Vr is still shit on 7000, so it's accurate atm
tropic nacelle
Got a new phone though
What phone was that? I recently swapped to a fold4 from the pixel 7 pro. Was an insane deal on giffgaff for £580 lol
pale sigil
What phone was that? I recently swapped to a fold4 from the pixel 7 pro. Was an ...
Wtf
crisp granite
Vr is still shit on 7000, so it's accurate atm
why I still might keep my 3070 system around...
pale sigil
I would use that deal
lofty pivot
didn't nvidia miss earnings by more than estimated last report?
pale sigil
I got a pixel 7a
lofty pivot
i can't remember exactly but i recall reading something like that
crisp granite
didn't nvidia miss earnings by more than estimated last report?
stock price continues to climb
lofty pivot
i don't know to be happy or sad since i have nvidia stock lol
gusty kiln
It almost feels like amd and nvidia stocks are holding hands ever since AI has become the biggest buzz word
ashen spindle
yeah
gusty kiln
I only own amd
crisp granite
artificial intelligence needs that fuckin hardware
ashen spindle
last amd earnings call all suddenly asked about AI lmao
gusty kiln
If nvidia earnings call goes well, both will go up
tropic nacelle
I would use that deal
Yeah was impulse buy at that price to be honest, never planned on a foldable but it's been much better than expected I'm sold on the current form and concept. Wouldn't pay £1600 for it though! Saw it on hotukdeals on my lunch break haha.
Pixel 7a looked solid so not a bad choice though!
gusty kiln
artificial intelligence needs that fuckin hardware
Can't wait for the big chungus to hit the market
crisp granite
moore threads moment
pale sigil
Yeah was impulse buy at that price to be honest, never planned on a foldable but...
That's 🤤
astral haven
bc its a luxury good and we have a recession
gusty kiln
I guess it does become luxury good after a certain amount
4tb ssd for 100 is when I'll go all in 
tropic nacelle
It is supply outstripping demand, they scale up production and then go way past the mark and it tanks value. Happens all the time but then mysteriously many supplies will start to have major "accidents" that cause a massive supply shock and funnily enough reset the price upward.
gusty kiln
Price fixing as well
tropic nacelle
It most certainly is, same with what always happend with hard drives.
gusty kiln
Asustor made an all m.2 SSD nas for relatively cheap recently
Kinda want one in the future
astral haven
imo ssd nas isnt useful
tropic nacelle
Depends what you use it for really, local video storage probably not worth it cost wise but for lower latency requirements it can be a net gain and it's quieter.
tropic nacelle
What? Hard drives are loud, SSDs are silent.
The latency is significantly less on SSD, that's not a disputed fact?
gusty kiln
The asustor one only uses 1 small fan that is fairly quiet, though not sure about the temperature
tropic nacelle
Well loud relative to SSD or a small fan anyway
astral haven
What? Hard drives are loud, SSDs are silent.
The latency is significantly less o...
depends on the hard drive, the drives in consumer nas are near silent, and are silent when properly enclosed
astral haven
and quiet ones too
tropic nacelle
Yeah they are quiet when they are dead haha
astral haven
different models for different uses
tropic nacelle
I could see having SSD Nas for say image or video editing is pretty useful if you are working directly as you will just be limited by the network connection.
astral haven
the only reasons for ssd nas are for collaborative projects on over 10g
but the asus nas is 2.5g
tropic nacelle
Still can make use of it with 2.5, the reduction in access latency makes it better for collaboration on a network for sure
jagged cloak
I sync all my important files from my NAS to the cloud encrypted every night at 2am.
Helps with extra redundancy from the provider and it's only 2tb so not too expensive
gusty kiln
but the asus nas is 2.5g
The 12 pro version has 10gig
astral haven
the only reason sth was able to find for the asus was for portable use
astral haven
The 12 pro version has 10gig
yea but that model is overpriced lol
astral haven
and sure having 48tb of storage that is shipping safe and good enough for editing from for under 3k is nice
but its pretty painful value
gusty kiln
Having your home wired up with cat6 would eliminate the need for it
But if your nas is in the same room, I'd want ssds
astral haven
🤷 your loss
gusty kiln
If I ever build a new home, I'd want cat6 in every major room
With everything leading to a switch on the basement
Then I can have a chonker HDD server
astral haven
the elements drives are quieter than the asus nas
tropic nacelle
I see the confusion from my comment, I was saying in general an all SSD Nas, didn't see the mention of the Asus specific model. I assume you were talking about it not being much quieter based on that comparisons rather than in general. My fault for not clarifying
gusty kiln
Yeah custom build can be easy better
I only brought up the asustor one because it's a nice turn key solution
Jayz2cent uploaded an apology video for the 4060tib review
reef patrol
astral haven
absolutely agreed
the problem is there arent any turnkey options and theres not a fantastic platform to turn into a ssd nas either
the generic usb to nvme adapters arent compatible with the owc m2 shuttle
that means you actually need to get proper pcie lanes for it
out of a consumer platform thats 5 shuttles max practically assuming youve got onboard ssd
20 drives is enough but the shuttles alone are $750
gusty kiln
astral haven
otherwise you are looking at a measly 5 or 6 nvme per system
and you are still gonna be spending heaps of cash for that
gusty kiln
Can't open it on mobile for some reason
Interesting
Though these are all 3.5" right?
My comment was on 2.5"
astral haven
now with the new xeon w and old threadripper its not that bad, looking at around 700 for tr getting you 12 native drives, 48 with shuttles at 2.7k
xeon w gets you 18 native,
4400 for 72 nvmes
available in 2018 afaik
on newegg maybe
they were available when i bought my laptop
and i bought my laptop in march of 2018
and i know that because i bought an 8700k and by the time i got my laptop the 8086k had released
lol october 2016
pale sigil
100%
astral haven
🤷 seagate has had better support than wd in my experience
that sounds wrong
exos has 3 or 5 year depending on model
and those are seagates best value drives that are reasonable capacity
astral haven
sorted by lowest price/gb over 10tb, these are the best value drives
all 5 year warranty
ashen spindle
you are late, j2c already made a follow up where he apologized bc the vid was shit
cursive summit
Why make shit in the first place
pale sigil
In 3rd world countries
severe phoenix
Jayz has been a meme ever since the New World fiasco
ashen spindle
but also, if your logic is he's irrelevant, why is he in your notifications 😛
severe phoenix
Where he claimed to have figured out why NVIDIA GPUs were blowin up
severe phoenix
(By stealing other peoples information and misunderstanding it)
ashen spindle
or why post it then
astral haven
also gn is a pretty awful reviewer if you actually play games
ashen spindle
talking about irrelevant things makes them relevant 😛
gusty kiln
also gn is a pretty awful reviewer if you actually play games
Yeah their games lineup aren't the most widely played, other than csgo
astral haven
and they only added that recently after backlash
gusty kiln
HWU gigachad 50 games benchmarks comparison
astral haven
they also afaik are using the scripted benchmark and its pretty awful
gusty kiln
Is that the one that aggregates all the review numbers together?
gusty kiln
they also afaik are using the scripted benchmark and its pretty awful
Hwu or gn?
astral haven
gn
gusty kiln
Ah
astral haven
i suspect gn does as well
nah
tpu just has a database of links
they dont actually aggregate content
techpowerup confirmed they do retest old cards after a while, however they have never ran into significant changes without changing test platforms
and they obviously wipe after changing test platforms
also funny thing i found
techpowerup hasnt given out a good value award to a gpu in 4 years lmao
fair gull
they also afaik are using the scripted benchmark and its pretty awful
anything but scripted seems like a useless benchmark... way too many variables
astral haven
the problem is they use the community made scripted map
using in game scripting
and its self hosted
where most people play on servers
tropic nacelle
Community scriptted map? What game is that one? GN and HUB are pretty reliable to go by these days
astral haven
csgo
fair gull
you cant really make benchmarks on servers
astral haven
and its one of the top maps on the workshop which is understandable why they would pick it
ashen spindle
it makes it repeatable and allows you to compare the hardware just not represent the real usecase if you use that hardware for said game
astral haven
you cant really make benchmarks on servers
you can you just have to host your own servers and have the server do the scripting
fair gull
id say comparing the hardware is in no way tied to the server running anything
astral haven
id say comparing the hardware is in no way tied to the server running anything
yes thats the problem
the benchmark they use includes hosting the server
fair gull
ya but that doesnt matter if its purely about comparing hardware performance
ashen spindle
but it does mean it might not show the same relative or total differences when you play the game normally
astral haven
🤷 yea its just not a benchmark of the game
fair gull
that sure but i dont think its any big difference
astral haven
its literally 1/5th the fps on my laptop for example
ashen spindle
especially when it comes to things like driver overhead for vendors, if you add a cpu load that changes it, rankings might also flip around compared to regular use for example
tropic nacelle
I mean if you have a repeatable setup used card to card that is the best way to review cards. You are reviewing them relative to other cards
astral haven
yes which is my point
the reviews are irrelevant for people who play games
which is fine if you mention that
but gn doesnt mention that
ashen spindle
gns data is good for comparing the specs, its not data when you want to see what card to buy for the game to reach 60fps consistently
gusty kiln
Which is crazy considering the performance ceiling of the 4090
ashen spindle
tropic nacelle
I mean it depends entirely on the games you play.... GN actually covers a fair few of my main games, total war, FF14 and it includes some later Sony ports. Relevant to me, it's always going to be even more relevant if your game happens to be one they use, HUB has a much larger set of games at least.
ashen spindle
I mean it depends entirely on the games you play.... GN actually covers a fair f...
ff14 benchmark is irrelevant, thats a canned benchmark for an mmo lol
that has nothing to do with real performance of 14
tropic nacelle
ff14 benchmark is irrelevant, thats a canned benchmark for an mmo lol
How is it irrelevant? A benchmark in game is going to tell you which gpu performs better relative to its competitors. Sure it will vary across the game as different on screen effects and player count but it should be reasonably close to see X card is better than Y so I should get X for this
astral haven
the point is thats observably not true for csgo and ff14
ashen spindle
the benchmark doesnt have a varying amount of player from 1-47 other players in the same duty with different network connections and all
astral haven
the point is ***thats observably not true for csgo and ff14***
sure we may not know that that is the case for the other games that gn tests
but we know for a fact that those are innaccurate at the very least
tropic nacelle
the benchmark doesnt have a varying amount of player from 1-47 other players in ...
But that would be a CPU issue no? And you couldn't reliably generate a scene with 100 players exactly the same so of course a prerun benchmark is used
ashen spindle
yes, it is not really possible to make an accurate benchmark of it that is easily repeatable
and for seeing roughly how you can play the game the benchmark works
tropic nacelle
It's one of the banes of multiplayer games. So the best is the prescripted one which will at least give a reliable ballpark performance figure.
astral haven
except it doesnt
ashen spindle
but if I want to see if I use amd or nvidia, the fps rankings might be literally flipped compared to the canned results
tropic nacelle
Are they?
ashen spindle
withing the same uArch it is probably the best to see scaling, for different ones if you only do one area that might completely load other parts of the hardware that the benchmark only has parts of
astral haven
csgo has +-200% performance vs the benchmark gn uses depending on hardware compared to the actual game using replays (which are also highly inaccurate but is much closer to the actual played experience
tropic nacelle
That would be the same concern with any benchmark though, not many (if at all) cover an entire game as it's unreasonable, they will pick a map or two and run a loop.
astral haven
and its 100% possible to script properly in csgo but you need another computer to act as the server
tropic nacelle
I don't even know what gn use for csgo, it's only good for a very limited CPU look really. If they use the workshop FPS benchmark I don't really see the issue with that either
astral haven
except csgo performance varies wildly depending on the gpu used...
and the problem is that the workshop fps benchmark is unrelated to the performance in match of the cards
tropic nacelle
The performance of csgo is so high that anything runs it, you are mostly going to see driver overhead more than anything right?
tropic nacelle
But you could say the same if they did a loop of dedust2 instead of your favourite map
astral haven
sure it spits out a ton of frames in one second
but the actual feel of the game can be pretty awful depending on frametimes
tropic nacelle
I don't recall the last time GN laid out their full list of how they test so I can't say with confidence how they test csgo anyway
astral haven
their min fps is too high to be a proper benchmark
but its actually a problem when a 1060 gets higher fps than a 2080ti in the percentiles
like sure the 2080ti was slamming into the built in fps cap
but fps cap or not, the percentiles of the 2080ti were in the sub 100 range where the 1060 was quite capable of a little over 110
gusty kiln
Hopefully cs2 will have less eratic behavior
astral haven
with cs2 itll be significantly more important to test without running the server
cs2 has an unlimited tickrate
gusty kiln
I forgot if the replay feature is viable for benchmark
astral haven
its pretty awful in csgo but it works well for most other games
ashen spindle
only to some degree
gusty kiln
I think the gameplay will be sped up if the fps is higher than the original game play
astral haven
but the replays are significantly closer to actual perf than the workshop benchmark at least
ashen spindle
source replay is basically replaying a game by reading positions and actions from a text file, so there is no code that handles anything network related, which in a real game obviously always is the case
gusty kiln
astral haven
im not clicking
why post?
astral haven
screw em
how much is it
astral haven
🤷 thats not great in the grand scheme
gusty kiln
Well yeah
But still interesting
Top end sku for original 7900xt msrp
Nvm, might be a scam
Delete link
astral haven
i wish amd would have a flagship again
gusty kiln
Need to work out the kinks of multi-die gpu
astral haven
its been 10 years since theyve technically had the perf crown, and most of 20 since theyve been actually ahead
gusty kiln
Isn't that the reason 7900xtx is a bit underwhelming?
ashen spindle
we dont really know aside from something late in manufacturing had issues so they didnt reach target
gusty kiln
Hmm
ashen spindle
you can bruteforce it by cranking up the power and it does reach a 4090 so it does scale but the v/f curve is weird but what went wrong we likely never know
astral haven
and the 4090 uses less power stock even in games
ashen spindle
oh yeah saw that and was surprised, though it still needs to prove use at scale
but already is more than I expected to see from it
astral haven
🤔 can we make a subwoofer out of it?
astral haven
im gonna go asrock probs
gusty kiln
Interesting
astral haven
but im waiting for gaming reviews of 2400x
gusty kiln
Dual 10gig on the asrock
astral haven
3400 is made of glue where 2400 is a monolith
astral haven
yep!
and the 2.5g apparently has vpro
vpro is sweeeeeeet and I really want to know if it works
gusty kiln
Remote features look cool
Without needing to home brew a solution with raspberries pi
astral haven
yea a pikvm is cheaper tho
gusty kiln
Only thing kinda meh with the asrock is the amount of usb ports, but you can easily add a nice hub using the thunderbolt port
astral haven
and noone has reviewed any of the interesting cpus for it
pale sigil
@ashen spindle on a decently high budget would you still go with a 5800x3d for gaming?
ashen spindle
depends which games
pale sigil
im thinking about it atm and i cant really see a decent reason to make a new build with DDR5 and new AMD chips
astral haven
you got am4 already?
ashen spindle
are you even cpu bound at your resolution for the targeted games
pale sigil
target res is 1440p
astral haven
for a fresh build am4 is kinda yikes
ashen spindle
ddr5 prices have come down a long way
astral haven
ddr5 shot waaaaaay down
pale sigil
hmm
astral haven
and intel supports ddr4
ashen spindle
and again, what games
pale sigil
I mean, hard to say but mostly want to be able to throw anything at it
ik its not the most helpful answer
astral haven
the 700k chips from intel have always been that type of chip
x3d perf is pretty random
pale sigil
ye but intel
ashen spindle
get to do manual ccd disabling for a 7950x3d and it has both lel
pale sigil
She also wont take anything less than I7 for some reason
Hence AMD being a better option imo
pale sigil
In general I7s are really high price
More than ever
and it feels overkill for gaming
astral haven
also faster than the 5800x3d tho
pale sigil
ye but 5800x3d is also like $320
astral haven
^ this
gusty kiln
Esport games or AAA?
pale sigil
what gpu
Probably 6800 or 6800xt, i have not looked much into 4070 but i assume its pricy
pale sigil
Esport games or AAA?
esports i doubt, AAA yes but also a lot of indie.
gusty kiln
Also on europe? Cuz 4070 is hella efficient
pale sigil
Also on europe? Cuz 4070 is hella efficient
US
ashen spindle
can you just name some game and not completely dodge the most important info xD
gusty kiln
Ah them sure 6800xt is nice
ashen spindle
surely some games are in mind or been played at least
pale sigil
Man, idk, the main games she played were SP games like Horizon
severe phoenix
ashen spindle
well then ask if you dont know, that's kind of the most important thing to figure out lol, if you get someone a 4090 and all they play is CoD they will be very sad
pale sigil
ik she emulates
severe phoenix
16k legacy of goku
pale sigil
ill ask
Her mindset is throw everything at it
"I've not been into many AAA for a while, but I would wanna get back into shooters, maybe destiny, SPIDER MAANNNNNNN"
There ya go
gusty kiln
Does she stream?
pale sigil
She used to
astral haven
Man, idk, the main games she played were SP games like Horizon
3dmark averages 17900 pts on 6800xt 5800x3d
19843 on 6800xt 13700
pale sigil
So yes that is deffo a factory
astral haven
and those two are the same price
pale sigil
ok yes streaming
gusty kiln
Cuz nvidia gpu would be preferred for streaming
pale sigil
but nvidiaaaaa
gusty kiln
At least until av1
ashen spindle
nah AMF has been become much better in obs for rdna2 and onwards
but I'd still consider current gen for av1 then
astral haven
yea but it still gets wrecked in h264
pale sigil
i feel so out of touch atm, i kinda neglected hardware after 5600x
gusty kiln
Wait where do you see 13700 for 220?
astral haven
320?
pale sigil
Wait where do you see 13700 for 220?
i said 5800x3d
and i did a typo
330
but its actually 300
ashen spindle
yeah the 13700k is like 100 bucks more here
astral haven
but yea the 13700 even non k is pretty noticeably faster
gusty kiln
5800x3d is 220 in the us
ashen spindle
ah right
pale sigil
Because she moved to Texas
astral haven
microcenter!
gusty kiln
13700 is 300
gusty kiln
5800x3d for 220 is pretty nice deal
astral haven
yea but thats not what it costs, for what it actually costs it gets wrecked by intel
gusty kiln
13700 is actually 350 on Amazon
pale sigil
it is?
gusty kiln
Yeah
pale sigil
still $150 more tbf and DDR5 is still more
gusty kiln
Still 330
astral haven
new build
gusty kiln
For 13700f
astral haven
you looking at the k models
gusty kiln
No 13600f?
astral haven
i5 banned for some reason
gusty kiln
That would be a nice cpu
pale sigil
ah
astral haven
personally recommend the non fs to non tech savvy, but thats not the direct comparison to the x3d
astral haven
use pcpartpicker
pale sigil
but then i remembered fuckin tax
gusty kiln
astral haven
pcpartpicker
pale sigil
*pcpartpicker*
That does not include tax?
astral haven
you have to set it in settings but its available
remember tax can change city to city in the us
its pretty awful
astral haven
pale sigil
pffft americans and their tax complaints
how do i add tax as i cant really find an option
gusty kiln
What state does she live in
pale sigil
yee haw
gusty kiln
That's like 10 states
ashen spindle
just go to pcpartpicker and if you are 10% below you know it will likely fit
pale sigil
the og yee haw
ashen spindle
can figure out exact numbers later
pale sigil
Texas
gusty kiln
Just multiply total by 1.05 on average
astral haven
27 entirely different tax rates in california alone
astral haven
13600k is the current general recommendation
pale sigil
"Tbh, I think I have a much lower standard than you think I do. Just so long as it works is more than good enough for me"
Also says to me must be I7 xD
And throws tons of requirements, my standard for her would be pretty average
otherwise
gusty kiln
Unless she lives near a microcenter
astral haven
can get alot better than a 3060ti for that price
severe phoenix
500w is cutting it close
pale sigil
Her BF can build it for her irrc or someone he knows.
astral haven
500w is cutting it close
not for that hardware
leaves no upgrade room tho
pale sigil
whats considered decent for ddr5
gusty kiln
6000 max for amd
gusty kiln
6400 probably safe for i5
pale sigil
when i got ddr4 early i made the mistake of going 2333
astral haven
ddr5 is gonna hit 10k soon, but none of the cpus can run it yet
pale sigil
thats not 30 more
astral haven
just f not kf
gusty kiln
I'm seeing 13600kf for 290 and 13700f for 330
astral haven
id personally go with the 13600k in general
gusty kiln
Just tell her not to plug in the display cable into the motherboard
astral haven
yep
pale sigil
she knows the great shame of doing that
astral haven
but having it as a backup and quicksync are both nice
astral haven
like for streaming quicksync is definetly recommended if you are going amd
not needed if going nvidia ofc but 🤷
6900xt is p awesome
gusty kiln
Yeah especially for AAA games at 1440
Though 12gb isn't too bad
Especially with increased L2 cache
pale sigil
I thought about this, no she probably wont.
gusty kiln
13600k can get toasty
gusty kiln
If not I'd lean towards the locked i7
astral haven
https://a.co/d/7n4JQmv
$580 for a 6900xt
Shipped by amazon
pale sigil
in the past it was not the case for me
astral haven
do none z boards have xmp?
h boards do now
gusty kiln
Huh guess people manage to dig out some old stock
pale sigil
13700 vs 13600k?
astral haven
6000 will be a pain to run, get some 5600
pale sigil
tis why i still have a backup GTX 750....
gusty kiln
That's why I keep my gtx 970 as a spare
pale sigil
with this 5600x
astral haven
13700 vs 13600k?
136 faster in games now but hawt
13700 has 2 more cores and much less hawt
gusty kiln
🔥
pale sigil
So what do you suggest
I was goign to push for noctua
because fuck AIO
fuck em
burn in hell
astral haven
from the games listed so far 136 cause its faster
eh theres that awesome new air cooler
gusty kiln
Entry level noctua or big boy?
pale sigil
And from a casual streamer point of view?
She mostly just streams drawing
but sometimes the odd gameplay
astral haven
ak620 i think is the last meta but i think theres a new one thats better?
gusty kiln
Thermalright
astral haven
peerless assasin right
pale sigil
atm im leaning on RX 6800
astral haven
can go alot higher than that
that 6900xt i linked is pretty sweet imo tho pretty chonk cooler
pale sigil
with this budget not so much
gusty kiln
You got a pcpart list made yet
astral haven
linkaroo
astral haven
ew samsung
astral haven
and thats pretty top tier memory that may not even work
pale sigil
the cooler is not the best tho
astral haven
5600 or lower highly recommended
pale sigil
as for memory i went with corsair originally
but i was scared of hate
this list totally wasn't altered last second
astral haven
🤷 thats just a bit much for the memory
gusty kiln
Yeah
astral haven
and yea peerless assasin
gusty kiln
A lot can be saved here and there to get a higher gpu
pale sigil
shall i give you my real list
astral haven
yes?
pale sigil
So ill be honest, ram wise ive always just stuck with corsair but ik they are not super great whern it comes to CL stuff
astral haven
🤷 you get what you pay for with corsair
gusty kiln
Livemixer mobo fun asrock
astral haven
and afaik corsair is the only vendor that makes it extremely obvious to figure out what chips they use
and thatll make it easier to match sticks later on upgrade
astral haven
peerless assasin
pale sigil
ty
astral haven
and be aware you are spending enough money between the cooler and ram (on the rgb) to upgrade to a 6900xt...
astral haven
check board 🤷
probably fine for a single pair but wont be able to add on another set
either way wouldnt spend too much on the ram if it can get even a single gpu up the upgrade chain
gusty kiln
Make sure to leave at least $150 for the PSU
astral haven
oh didnt even notice that was missing
gusty kiln
150 should be enough for a nice 850w unit
Even a 1000w actually
Inb4 she wants nice aesthetic and well spend 200 on the case
gusty kiln
Only a 6700xt though
pale sigil
got away with a 6800xt
lots of room with nvma
nvme tbf
PSU is $20 more than lowest
huh i miss this
nice one
gusty kiln
Hope she already has peripherals
pale sigil
She does
She took her stuff over with her inc mech etc
idk where her mech is tho
Thanks for all the help though
it showed how out of touch i am lol
i still feel dirty about suggesting intel tho
astral haven
6700xt is slow compared to the 6900xt tho
gusty kiln
Really annoying that my rm750x only has 2 pcie 8 pin connectors
astral haven
but then the 6900xt is another 30% faster
makes the pc cost under 30% more vs the 6700xt for near 40% extra perf
cursive summit
I think that the card that makes 4060Ti somewhat obsolete is the 3070
3070 has better or equal perf, and is quite efficient plus can be found pretty cheap nowadays
If not 3070, then 6800XT for around 500$, that's 16GB of VRAM with more than enough performance for years to come
astral haven
4060ti is 35% more efficient according to techpowerup
45% more than 6800xt
40 series is a pretty solid improvement gen over gen
gusty kiln
Damn 7000 doesn't look too bad in that chart
astral haven
yea its not bad besides the bugs
gusty kiln
astral haven
but hey this time the bugs are hardware level lol
astral haven
well who knows
gusty kiln
Well 6000 was actually pretty competitive
astral haven
yea but amd needs to be more than just competitive perf wise when you are in the hole feature wise
gotta remember that the 4060ti outperforms the 7900xt when using dlss
and obviously its not apples to apples but thats because nvidia is working hard on ml
gusty kiln
I couldn't tell the difference between native and dlss quality when playing diablo 4 beta
Was pretty nice
astral haven
and in some cases dlss can even get better image quality than native
with the new antishimmer stuff theyve been doing its actually pretty sweet
wish the deck could get something anwhere near as good 😦
pale sigil
Intel poo AMD bae
gusty kiln
K
As just a gpu upgrade, yeah the price/perf is not that great
But as a whole new pc
6950xt all day
cursive summit
530$ for 6800XT is a bargain price
gusty kiln
Check merchant settings?
cursive summit
If you can find 6900XT (50XT) remotely close to 6800XT pricing, that's the better deal
But 6800XT is insane value, how can people not realize that
500$ for that card is a must-buy
astral haven
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ghxDBj
wouldnt do this but its absolutely possible as long as you sacrifice on the cpu a bit
but yea dislike the 6950xt due to the insane power usages
gusty kiln
gusty kiln
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ghxDBj
wouldnt do this but its absolutely possible...
Reasonable for 4k gamers
cursive summit
Cheapest 6900XT here is
astral haven
nah, go nvidia 4 sure cause dlss
cursive summit
Which is fine
gusty kiln
nah, go nvidia 4 sure cause dlss
That's true, dlss on 4k is really nice
cursive summit
Lol 6900XT are cheaper than 6800XT in my country
What's up with the 69 model just being cheaper than the 68?
It's always been a thing, for the past year or two
gusty kiln
6900xt is the weird middle child
cursive summit
Never been out of stock here
Just never fell in price
I guess now it fell down 200$
cursive summit
But so did 6900 fall down in price by like 6900xt
Here 6900 always price matched 6800
No clue how to use it
gusty kiln
Kek
astral haven
Alt + 0 1 2 8 €
cursive summit
Doesn't do anything
astral haven
but fuck if i can remember that
cursive summit
TKL numpad?
astral haven
75% minimum imo
severe phoenix
cursive summit
And screw using right alt so I don't care
$ remains what I'll forever use
Right alt, windows key, ctrl and shift are just keys that never get used for me
Why use them when you have the same keys on the left?
gusty kiln
Just keep a note pad open with the euro on it and just copy and paste
cursive summit
Just keep a note pad open with the euro on it and just copy and paste
Nah I just google it
gusty kiln
Can it be rearranged?
cursive summit
theres also win+period
Never knew this existed
astral haven
nah but its also a relatively short list
cursive summit
Windows in general has so much functionality that's just hidden away that 99% of users will never even hear of
astral haven
Windows in general has so much functionality that's just hidden away that 99% of...
yup
ikr
cursive summit
https://www.reddit.com/r/talesfromtechsupport/comments/5hgfb7/wheres_all_my_file...
Ngl the recycle bin does look like a storage bin
astral haven
your company needs to change storage bins lol
cursive summit
I will forever never understand how the hell "recovery" of deleted files works
I've done it once and the software found years old deleted files
Like, they are perma gone
Yet sometimes recoverable
astral haven
your computer doesnt zero the files automatically it just removes the link to them in the filesystem table
gusty kiln
I guess as long as it didn't over write it on the disk of the hard drive
astral haven
your drive will avoid writing over areas it has previously written files to avoid wearing out 1 part of the drive faster than others
gusty kiln
How loud are tape drives?
astral haven
which ones lol
gusty kiln
Idk, bog standard one
astral haven
if you are talking about the archive ones, they are louder than the ones on walkmans
gusty kiln
Lto
astral haven
the drives themselves are not too crazy loud, but the loader mechanisms can be not quiet
louder than a loud hdd tho
gusty kiln
Shame the drives are so expensive
astral haven
significantly quieter than standard rackmount equipment
astral haven
Shame the drives are so expensive
ebay is your friend
gusty kiln
The tapes are super cheap per terabyte
astral haven
yes because they dont have any of the complicated data storage mechanism on them lol
astral haven
but go figure if you need to write terabytes of data to a thin ribbon that you cant even rely on the positioning
astral haven
<:pepe_uhm:1088387962921832478>
its not 30tb
gusty kiln
Oh
astral haven
its around 12tb
they assume you are directly writing super compressible stuff to the tapes like log files or transaction data
gusty kiln
Id get one if I ever decide to have a huge ass flac/wav music library
astral haven
and hdds arent that much more expensive
they are significantly less dense tho
the tapes are substantially smaller than a 3.5in hdd
gusty kiln
John wick 4 is finally out of "alternative sources"
astral haven
larger than a 2.5 tho but not crazy amount
astral haven
yup
and you can get a 60 bay tape library for about the same price as a 60 bay hdd storage server
gusty kiln
Idk, I've been on and off on creating a huge local music library
astral haven
media is not a good use for tape
gusty kiln
Rip
astral haven
archiving your security footage?
sure
the advantage is once you load the tape the access times are only around 10 seconds
but switching tapes is slow
gusty kiln
Ah
astral haven
and 10 seconds to play a song isnt fast either lmao
astral haven
Meirl
Nas I built for my parents has 4 optane drives and 3 hdds lol
And they ain't the 64gb or smaller ones
gusty kiln
Is there an optane to hdd ratio to maintain?
astral haven
Intel wants 4gb/TB
But really it's more about what files you are using and what software you are using with the optane
If you are using zfs, follow the standard nvme recommendations
old gulch
Windows in general has so much functionality that's just hidden away that 99% of...
You should try uncovering this on Mac
old gulch
The equivalent of connecting to a projector on windows is connecting to a NAS
old gulch
You should try uncovering this on Mac <:havo:975821613415157860>
MacOS
cursive summit
Who's Mac Os?
old gulch
Seems you despise it
cursive summit
I don't know any Macs in my life, sorry mate
old gulch
Need to go further back in time?
cursive summit
Last I heard wizard of Oz wasn't named Mac either
cursive summit
Are you smiling rn
Smiling? Nah this isn't fun enough to do so
Should you take me seriously? No, I'm fucking with you
At least for now
old gulch
Goat FAQ ^^
old gulch
Smiling? Nah this isn't fun enough to do so
Lemme guess you trade with Starbucks
cursive summit
When I get pinged for no reason, I will return the favour by writing messages that make no sense
It's fun
Well, sometimes it's fun
old gulch
Then you need to join duck squad
If there’s a set reason indicated then I won’t randomly ping uou
cursive summit
And sorry my country doesn't have Starbucks
cursive summit
Then you need to join duck squad
Ehhh
Let's just say that is most likely won't ever happen
old gulch
Argh my word play didn’t work 
cursive summit
Idk if Wooting needs help that I could do, I wouldn't mind being on payroll
I would actually have a reason not to be obnoxious constantly
old gulch
Become calders tech advisor?
cursive summit
I bet he knows more tech than me
cursive summit
Actually, now that I think of it, what even is Calders background
I assume engineering?
Although Calder was more the financial/management person in Wooting than the engineer, he is the CEO after all
Though he seems to know quite a bit about how software and hardware go, so idk honestly, Calder's skilled and talented
frozen ingot
first cool car lambo has done in a long time
yeah, its getting a bit stale tbh
they've had largely the same interior design since the gallardo
gusty kiln
I always wonder what soc car manufacturers use
I mean luxury brands should be able to afford a high end Qualcomm or mediatek chip
frozen ingot
just having a big screen for instrument cluster has gotten boring really fast in general
astral haven
nvidia has automotive specific chipsets
crisp granite
...yeah
it also helps that most games are truly based in a given timeframe or setting and assuming it's either modern or past, may as well just take design cues from that era as well
helps to convince the players
snow moon
kinda expected to see James May in the car ngl
wheat plume
astral haven
thats pretty awful lol
i would suspect thats their limited guest network
much closer to san jose than SF
what
residential 10g
neato
problem is those houses cost so much i could work every waking hour at my current salary for 50 years just for a down payment lol (joke but not that far off)
actually no if i worked 16 hours a day straight for 50 years at my current job I would in fact be able to buy one of the houses there assuming i got overtime pay for half of that
and ofc i had zero expenses
astral haven
oh god microsoft why
i added a small secondary touchscreen and the swipe from left and swipe from right actions appear on my main monitor
copilot cant come soon enough
imo
rough osprey
pls be removable
mild dome
How is the burn in on these panels? I had heard Samsung's QOLED TVs weren't doing too hot in that regards, but Alienware made some big promises in regards to longevity
latent mural
Im looking to get a new monitor, ive currently got a 165hz 1080p, and im rocking a 5600x with a 3070ti. I have narrowed it down to 2 options, i mainly play fps games like valorant and some story games on the side, I was thinking an xl2546k or the alienware aw2723df which is a 1440p 280hz. Im a bit stuck on which one to get, anyone have an idea on which one to get?
astral haven
How is the burn in on these panels? I had heard Samsung's QOLED TVs weren't doin...
its just a game of what you have on screen
autohide taskbar and no desktop icons and youll be fine
but if you dont, stuff like that will burn in
mild dome
Im looking to get a new monitor, ive currently got a 165hz 1080p, and im rocking...
Doin a quick google it looks like the Alienware has a better resolution, but it might have worse Grey to grey times. See if you can find a review measuring the actual pixel response as manufacturers often fudge the numbers to look better then reality.
The Alienware also has VESA 600 HDR cert. So it should have some fair (not amazing, but not bad) HDR performance
latent mural
Doin a quick google it looks like the Alienware has a better resolution, but it ...
i watched a few reviews on each of them, and the zowie def has better motion clarity, and its about 160 aud cheaper, but the alienware is alot more colour accurate and a higher resolution. Im still not sure but whatever i pick im sure ill want the other one lol
mild dome
i watched a few reviews on each of them, and the zowie def has better motion cla...
Personally I would get the Alienware for the resolution, and HDR as I like my games looking nice. but only you know your own tastes. If you really want that competitive edge then the Zowie will give it to you, if you want your games to feel and look more cinematic the Alienware is your winner.
dapper seal
fair gull
How is the burn in on these panels? I had heard Samsung's QOLED TVs weren't doin...
if you also run your TV for 18hrs a day with statically placed white boxes like cnn sure
RTings chose a deliberately over the top usage that isnt real world to accelerate wear and tear on the panels
fair gull
RTings chose a deliberately over the top usage that isnt real world to accelerat...
also should be noted that RTings correctly identified the main cause to be bright whites on QD panels as they need to use all 3 subpixels to produce a white. so if you are a dark mode user you have an even better life expectency
ashen spindle
And just don’t run it at max brightness outside of hdr
fair gull
^
severe phoenix
Don't let your dreams be dreams
wheat plume
huh?
oh
Yeah...
music app
Amarok is not on Flathub ;-;
wait, why is not in the arch repo?
thick elk
I have a few that are not on the play store:
NewPipe
AdAway
F-Droid
Magisk
Fennec (firefox without telemetry and with the workaround to install add-on collections of unsupported addons (this normally only works on nightly))
Advanced Charging Controller (ACCA)
cursive summit
win.rar?
Could be a cool new website for winrar
Winrar as a company for some reason was weirdly relatable
reef patrol
It's a reference to the url exploits that Lana? Shared the other day.
Where filenames and domains blend together as an attack vector
hearty glacier
Can the wooting be used like the anne pro 2? To be specific, the magic keys on the anne pro 2 where you use caps lock as the fn key.
reef patrol
You can rebind keys to your heart's content.
And there's modtap to make a key do two different inputs depending on whether you tap them quickly or hold for a short bit.
solemn remnant
yep, been using modtap for caps/fn since day 1. hold caps for fn, tap it for toggling caps lock
frozen ingot
sounds like a point of diminishing returns
solemn remnant
QwQ
sharp badger
https://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/corsair-2000d-mini-itx-pc-chassis-review.html This was leaked in August last year and it finally released lol
cursive summit
Price that, date that, scrap that, let's have a do-over
So... onboard memory doesn't do anything without software being on?
So what's the point of having onboard memory
solemn remnant
xd
vagrant pagoda
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCxYfXe1DAA
"with 100% more disappointment, just a great bargain" has to be the best burn to exist in tech journalism
cursive summit
These gaming peripheral companies need their asses kicked
By someone like Wooting
To provide proper ass hardware, features and software
frozen ingot
onboard memory and still needing software running is such a quintessential razer move
I member that blackwidow they did years back with "onboard macro recording functionality"
but the software still needed to run for it to work
wheat plume
yep..
jagged cloak
The only reason why I see them push the software is data collection
Maybe that is the only functioning part of their software
Because opening synapse doesn't work 50% of the time 
marsh glade
Because they're inept at writing software that's compact enough to fit on the memory
wheat plume
also that
cursive summit
Because they're inept at writing software that's compact enough to fit on the me...
Yeah or that, where they just reuse decades old software
And can't be bothered to figure out how to make it just fit in the memory
jagged cloak
But they updated synapse from 2.0 to 3.0