🔌│tech

[astral haven]

oh i see hmm i wonder

[final flame]

The thing is how many will you be able to cram in the same space as bas

They also have to be able to be molded in plastic shells

What they show looks more like a surface mount component rather than a driver

[astral haven]

`While MEMS microspeakers have many perks, there is a downside—size, or rather the lack of it. Semiconductor fabrication is geared to produce tiny chips, not massive woofers, which places a limit on how MEMS speakers can be used. While it’s technically possible to produce larger, louder speakers that combine numerous microspeakers, this tactic comes with an unappealing price tag.

“USound says, ‘Let’s do a headphone with half a dozen of these,’ or other use-cases like a smartphone speakerphone and ringtone. Then you have to use these MEMS devices like LED pixels,” says Klasco. “But, well, the cost of a wafer is the cost of a wafer. Right? And now, they’re using six times as many chips, the cost went up six times, and they’re gonna need a whole bunch of packages. So, this doesn’t really scale.”`

“Is it an in-ear monitor for a musician? Sure. To replace balanced armatures? Absolutely. A 6-millimeter microspeaker in an earphone? Yeah, it’s going to replace those,” says Klasco. “Right now, for true wireless stereo, that’s the killer application for this device.”

[final flame]

They do realize how difficult it is to make a array of small speakers and make it sound like one right?

[astral haven]

yea thats why they are saying it doesnt scale

they are saying they are on par with a 6mm dynamic

the n400 are 8mm

[final flame]

Mhmm

[astral haven]

the truthear are 10+7.8

they aint audiophile grade yet

[final flame]

While driver size doesn't matter much

You have 30mm driver headphones outperforming large driver planars all the time

[astral haven]

thats more at the larger end

[final flame]

The er4 from etymotic use a single ba driver

[astral haven]

ba's practically fold the required size of the moving element

[astral haven]

also that shouldnt be a big problem for these type of devices.
the problems come in when you have unit to unit variance, which mems devices practically dont have above the nanometer scale

[novel star]

Whenever i use mixing in wootility my keyboards rgb just stops

[crimson wigeon]

Mixing is just a demo effect using the arrow keys

[novel star]

ah

now i see

[astral haven]

wow thats a pretty cool demo

oh wow i really like jelly
wish you could invert it tho
where you can have it idle at 100% and have typing lower the brightness in an aoe effect

what does RT display do?

[crimson wigeon]

It's so you can see rapid trigger in action, if you don't have that enabled it probably won't do much

[astral haven]

ah ic

[reef patrol]

Push down, release a bit, push down.

Don't let fully go of the button.

[crimson wigeon]

Axeactly

[astral haven]

yea alright i also see how you can use it as a more exacting version of the key lighting.

[wheat plume]

https://youtu.be/ntk8ZABq7IY

half gb of ram...

[frozen ingot]

yes?

its old

512kb ram in first home computer we had

got that upgraded to, watch out, 1mb

[wheat plume]

Xd

[tight smelt]

Is wooting working on a 75% layout?

[reef patrol]

Something larger than 60% but smaller than fullsize.

[wheat plume]

61%

ofc

[gusty kiln]

https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/13lvc50/a_lawsuit_against_doordash_alleges_what_some/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

[tight smelt]

Make it happen!

[wheat plume]

O HEK XXDD

[pale sigil]

ohhh ok

Pi Imager allows setting up WIFI and SSH before you actually install the OS

thats great

[wheat plume]

Yeah

Love that feature

<3

[pale sigil]

i used to just manually edit the files

xD

[wheat plume]

oooff

[pale sigil]

it tooks seconds tbf

[wheat plume]

I only learned it can do this from NetworkChuck videos

...

so yeah LOL

I love his videos, I learned a lot from them

[pale sigil]

im re installing ubuntu server

i was on like 19 something

[wheat plume]

aha

[pale sigil]

and updates failing left and right so i cba

I backed up pihole

Gonna run docker on this bad boy

I really want to convert my pi into a NAS but cba with that too

[wheat plume]

I want a Pi

and a proper router .-.

[pale sigil]

i got lucky lol

[wheat plume]

so I can actually make servers and shit

[pale sigil]

i got it months before the insane prices

[wheat plume]

yeahh xd

[pale sigil]

The only thing stopping me from making a server is power cost.

[wheat plume]

the pihut had a restock recently but by the time I went to check, they had sold out again :'(

this was last week

there is no resellers in ireland

got to get them from UK 🤢

too expensive with import tax

[pale sigil]

kinda wish i got the 8gb one

[wheat plume]

xd

[pale sigil]

i got the 2gb one tho

2gb is fine tbh

[empty wren]

if only cm4s were so available

[pale sigil]

fucking ell

my pi4 uses wifi over ethernet

why

[empty wren]

Huh

[pale sigil]

very strange

[empty wren]

Oh nevermind

You could probably disable wifi in some config file

[pale sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/star-trek-hesdeadjim-gif-25579972

[cursive summit]

Huh, not bad

380$ is a respectable price for that performance

Not incredible, but pretty nice

[astral haven]

its also one of the cleaner looking monitors that is also high refresh

on the other hand im not willing to pay more than $20 for a monitor without a vesa mount

[wheat plume]

Why is the base so wide?

not just the base, the entire stand

[astral haven]

the wires run though it in parallel

[wheat plume]

ooohhhh

[wheat plume]

Is this safe to ignore??

[hasty elm]

Buy me 3

Please n thank u

[woven laurel]

I think its still safe

you dont get in the app store without some checks

its jsut outdated and that brings some risks

[wheat plume]

It can't be very outdated

It can use material you theming

That's an Android 12 thing

[woven laurel]

that might be a thing, to disable that samsung bixby thing I also had a few warnings to close

[astral haven]

google is probably complaining about it using the old picture permissions

[woven laurel]

to remap that button

[hasty elm]

@woven laurel would be so proud

[woven laurel]

only if it uses lekker switches

[hasty elm]

Nah we go for them ghetto ass switches

[woven laurel]

no but cool 3d printed mouse

good job!

[hasty elm]

Dem ratchet ones

[hasty elm]

I’m legally required to tell u that I didn’t make or design the 3d printed version but I can take credit for the idea

It was my confused Indian friend who did it

[gusty kiln]

https://twitter.com/LogitechG/status/1659680414301028352

Logitech G (@LogitechG)

Built with Pros. Made for you. 05.24.2023.

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[true quest]

do they go through with it or nah

[ashen spindle]

probably

[crimson wigeon]

Why not

[true quest]

because it's google

[pale sigil]

i still aint got this

[true quest]

check private browsing tab

not logged into your g account

[pale sigil]

I mean im logged in with my premium accunt

[true quest]

i've noticed many of their tests i've experienced are done outside of accounts

[woven laurel]

pleasant with peak content

of the day

[crisp granite]

that's about all Pleasant is good for

that and shitting on people's childhoods

[true quest]

perhaps as a way to entice people to create a g account and sign up to premium

[hasty elm]

[wheat plume]

I've never seen a vertically mounted GPU before.....

Nannii

[empty wren]

Vertically mounted also in loque raw s1

[severe phoenix]

My 4090 FE is a ticking timebomb, and I am all for the lawsuit

[reef patrol]

The apple response to a real issue.

Maybe don't design a connector that fails this often.

Irrelevant as I see it

Hasn't been an issue up until now. It's clearly a poorly designed connector.

I don't use molex on my 1200$ GPU. Nor have I ever seen videos about that happening from a ton of individual sources.

Also molex sucks.

The hooks are so prone to going loose, it's fucking sad.

Cool. Was it on tech international news again and again?

[misty saffron]

I don't think I ever could've unintentionally plugged in the molex connector not all the way in

theyre too tight of a fit

[reef patrol]

Molex's main issue was always having one of the wires pop out of the connector, causing you to need to push it in weirdly to get it back inside.

[misty saffron]

hardly an issue, you can always visually tell if it's not plugged in correctly

I don't know what they did with the new connector but thats too many reports of it melting

[severe phoenix]

Yeah I mean, mine is connected with no gap but then with my insane finger strength I just plugged it all the way in the way I do with all my connectors

[reef patrol]

It's just bad design and manufacturing. Happens way too often on cheaper components that still use it.

[misty saffron]

oh you mean WIRES

I've never seen that

on my psus at the very least, mustve been at least 10

[reef patrol]

This happens far too often.

Though more often on case fans and such. So there's definitely an element of shoddy manufacturing over just poor design of the standard.

But offtopic to "1200$ GPU bursts into flames over poorly designed new connector standard" though.

[empty wren]

Screw molex you need a key to remove individual wires

[empty wren]

That seems weird

[severe phoenix]

USB all the things

[empty wren]

Would that not be the fault of the wire insulation melting due to the thickness of the wire not being sufficient for the electrons

[severe phoenix]

No more 24 pins for Motherboard power, USB to PSU!

USB to GPU!

[reef patrol]

There is only one solution. Disregard the machine, evolve the man.

[empty wren]

Please no

[severe phoenix]

lol

[empty wren]

USB 3 and above feel so loose

[severe phoenix]

https://tenor.com/view/gold-member-toight-like-a-tiger-gif-3561878

[reef patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/dune-mentat-thufir-thinking-thufir-hawat-gif-24418611

Your mom gay

It tells a story when the product specifically designed to minimize potential damage due to shoddy connector design also fails.

Though I'm sure you're just rushing to blame Cablemod on that.

[empty wren]

Technically you could make your own cables

[empty wren]

Just curious, is the problem cable mod using thinner gauge wire than stock or does their insulation suck and manage to combust?

Cuz last year was this not a big thing with stock cables?

[reef patrol]

I don't know what Cablemod are doing. I'm ranting against nVidia and their partners

[empty wren]

I see

Oh

[severe phoenix]

MonoPrice #1

[empty wren]

Wtf 78$

Oh eggs have came down

And yeah fair on the labor part

[severe phoenix]

American Labor isn't really all it's cracked up to be. 😛

[empty wren]

It can be great at times

[severe phoenix]

I'd honestly take some chinese slave labor craftmen ship as superior

[empty wren]

But if we compare to japan

They will make sure everything is neat and to end

[severe phoenix]

Japan also likes to make things hard to repair

[empty wren]

Yes but they have attention to detail

[severe phoenix]

For no reason

Japan is like "Ok we got this perfectly usable thing here, standard worldwide..."

Then makes their own, complex standard for no reason that no one else uses

And doesn't even perform better

[empty wren]

Depends on what it is

Frustrated me my dad's car has a well known issue with the oil leaking into a sensor

Only real solution right now is replace it when it is flooded

Thanks Nissian

However other times Japan can make great stuff

Mitutoyo has very nice calipers for $100

Price aint so bad for that one but it is still expensive

Can get a whole spool of insulated wire for less than that.

I mean I guess if someone does not like slightly tedious stuff fine

But making a cable: removing sleeving, twisting wires, crimping and inserting contacts into the housing aint so difficult

Only issue maybe I guess is getting custom colors in like whatever quantity

Hope the fan is on the side panel side

Also sounds quite compact

Are you gonna have a tiny gpu too

Probably some zotac one?

Yep I imagined a cube or box

Interesting

What is their stuff made of

Like acrylic or something?

Yeah cast acrylic is easy to machine

Oh I see

So this a whole bundle?

No wonder then

I think I paid roughly close to that sourcing your recommendations

But no blocks

In fairness to them, water cooling seems like a lucrative business and I am guessing they earned their name or something

At least they post pictures I guess

Good for them i guess

[reef patrol]

Man that's cute and neat.

[empty wren]

They really hide them hoses

[reef patrol]

I hate a love-hate relationship with acryllic blocks though.

[empty wren]

Yellowing or something?

[reef patrol]

Cracks.

[empty wren]

Ah

That would be unfortunate

Nothing some gorilla glue cannot fix

Or resin is probably fine

Since the part will not take a beating unlike a plastic foam shooting ahotgun

How about flex seal

I SAWED MY CPU BLOCK IN HALF

Jokes aside what other materials are they made from

Copper, aluminium, polycarbonate?

[old marlin]

acetal

[empty wren]

Ah delrin cool

[old marlin]

and ig nickel for plating

aluminum less so

only place where you find aluminum in custom water cooling is something like the ek kits

since it doesn't behave well in mixed metal loops

[reef patrol]

[old marlin]

but yea

[empty wren]

Is okay they probably have a #💬│general channel that is polluted with people asking the same answered question

[old marlin]

acrylic imo does not belong in waterloops

it's just a horrible material for durability

[reef patrol]

But it's pretty. 😦

Wish EK would just not use it on the PORTS.

(Yes I realize that doesn't leave a lot of space on CPU blocks where it's most prevalent 😛 )

[old marlin]

would be hard/expensive to engineer something to not do that?

unless they split the top cover in half

into an acetal part with threads

and an acrylic part as a window

[reef patrol]

Yeah they'd basically need to do most of it without acryllic and have a small window to see flow or something.

[old marlin]

I mean ideally you would not see flow to begin with

[reef patrol]

wat

You should always be able to see a faint but obvious stream of tiny microbubbles even in a good loop.

https://tenor.com/view/crying-laughing-kristen-bell-gif-6139291

Yeah that was a huge success...

[empty wren]

Does ek not use threaded metal inserts?

[reef patrol]

They had to replace both of my blocks and tubing when mine clogged.

[severe phoenix]

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2023/05/brand-new-laptop-recreates-1981s-ibm-pc-complete-with-8088-cpu-and-640kb-of-ram/

[wheat plume]

ah....

got to love blatant lies in the video title

Yes, its getting a new screen
but its not official from Valve, its a community made hardware mod

Unless they are talking about SteamOS getting a saturation and vibrancy slider in the settings in the upcoming 3.5 update?

[pale sigil]

Welcome to YouTube XD

[wheat plume]

COSMIC desktop looks, interesting...

can do this too

they have any layouts

[thick elk]

I personally feel like it's gonna be one of those projects that flourish for a couple of years and then wither and die

[wheat plume]

Its backed by System76

I doubt it will die

They sell hardware which will have this by default

People are making jokes

"This is the KNOME desktop we all wanted"

:')

Both the panel and dock on the left 🤔

[thick elk]

However it largely depends on how much financial resources System 76 has to support the project vs what they get out of it

[wheat plume]

System76 makes hardware and their own OS called PopOS, based on Ubuntu + Gnome desktop

They make their money from this hardware

and also sponsors and donations

[thick elk]

Unity had large backing until Canonical reprioritized.

[wheat plume]

I miss Unity desktop ;-;

the HUD and global menu was the best thign ever

the theme was shit IMO but you could change the theme to something that looked better

[thick elk]

Global menu's are nice if they actually work consistently

[wheat plume]

They work fine on Plasma
other than Firefox .-.

ffs Firefox, plz

[thick elk]

There is a firefox build that fixes that, but no they really do not work everwhere

[wheat plume]

[thick elk]

Lots of Gnarbage applications don't handle them well

[wheat plume]

Oh yeah, Gnome apps dont have menu bars at all

totally removed them for existence

They are doing a MacOS approach to the app window design

[thick elk]

I still think gnome applicatoins are a mistake, needlessly fragmentary only applicable to linux when you primarly target gnome

They look very out of place pretty much anywhere else

[wheat plume]

Plasma does a great job at themeing them tbh

[thick elk]

They try but that doesn't change that the way the ui works is just very much just gnome

[wheat plume]

but the widget design is out of place in plasma

yeah

[thick elk]

Not just plasma any operating system or desktop that is not gnome

[wheat plume]

Dear Microsoft:

Could you kindly please, FUCK OFF?

[thick elk]

Who cares it's their main way of funding, and it's a default

[frozen ingot]

ew firefox

[pale sigil]

Why does this matter

[thick elk]

Firefox is pretty bad but luckily not as bad as chrome / edge / brave / safari / whatever else I am missing

[pale sigil]

Why is brave bad

[reef patrol]

It doesn't give back Chromium features that Chrome nix for no sensible reason.

[wheat plume]

Why does GNOME insist on making an entirely new console app from scratch within GTK4 instead of upgrading gnome-terminal onto GTK4?

[pale sigil]

Like?

[reef patrol]

Like the hover cards on tabs.

That you no longer can fully disable, and more recently now cannot remove the full thumbnail from either.

[wheat plume]

at least Chrome supports global menu

[thick elk]

Honestly my main reason to keep using firefox is that I am used to the control their ui provides me, addon support be it at a limited capacity on android.

• in the last quite a lot of years no chromium based browser has given me any good reason to switch.
  Breakages on google software I just see as shortcomings of google and refuse to ever make them a cause to do anything but not use them.

Also I want to do at least my part in preventing chromium explorer from becoming more of a thing.

I know we have at least safari but they don't provide the right kind of voice here

I wish firefox remained more open though, old addons while fragile did some great things.

[frozen ingot]

chrome/chromium is still the best browsing experience by a country mile imo

rather annoyingly because I don't like google

[pale sigil]

https://www.theverge.com/2023/5/18/23728618/google-pixel-8-pro-video-leak-design-thermometer

[thick elk]

I think my strongest argument for using firefox is that I like a certian ui layout I cannot replicate on any other browser
I also just got used to it too much over the past pretty much forever I used it

Something stupid like ctrl+shift+p not opening a private window bugs me

[severe phoenix]

Firefox saved me from Internet Explorer

How can I turn my back on it?

[pale sigil]

Easy

It's shit at a lot of websites

[severe phoenix]

Chrome is worse

[pale sigil]

You ain't wrong

[thick elk]

It's mostly fine imo, I have not had much issues outside of garbage google websites

[pale sigil]

But there are many chromium browsers

[pale sigil]

Firefox is significantly slower regardless of site

[wheat plume]

youtube testing a new layout!!!

[thick elk]

Still if you want browser extensions on android and want to sync between android and desktop are there good alternatives

[pale sigil]

And is annoying to Dev for

[wheat plume]

no, not anymore

[pale sigil]

Since when

Last year?

[thick elk]

Dev tools are what I got used to, actualyl mostly nicer to work with than chrome

especially for css

[wheat plume]

Since their proton update

[pale sigil]

Which was?

[wheat plume]

Jan 2021

[thick elk]

I also have not had much trouble with slow sites, only some garbage bloated webapps that really don't like it if you open them as usual in multiple tabs

Even discord works just fine in firefox

[pale sigil]

It's slow

[wheat plume]

its really not

[pale sigil]

Benchmarks are not great real world but they even tank on them

[wheat plume]

I just tried minecraft.net on firefox and chrome and firefox was slightly faster

[pale sigil]

I miss Firefox dearly but sweet Jesus

[thick elk]

Every time I try something chromium based I find no real noticable speedup

[pale sigil]

Again not the best use of real world but still

It's abysmal here too

[wheat plume]

ok

Tor is not faster

than any of those browsers

maybe wtf ever Puffin is though

[severe phoenix]

Firefox is the best

[wheat plume]

Firefox is mega fast now

[pale sigil]

Lana what do you define as fast

[severe phoenix]

https://tenor.com/view/firefox-khan-gif-15118359

[ashen spindle]

https://www.phoronix.com/news/Firefox-Chrome-109-Benchmarks

[wheat plume]

it loads pretty much the same time as Chrome

[ashen spindle]

latest phoronix test on linux has them close but aside from wasm chrome still is just better

not in 1s vs 10 second loading time obviously

[severe phoenix]

What does all this mean when my webpages load in under a second?

[wheat plume]

^

it cant see a different in loading times between them

[ashen spindle]

then congrats on not visting anything but pure html pages I guess?

[thick elk]

I am just saying real world I mostly have not had a lot of cases where the difference was noticable, things that ran like chrap on firefox mostly also ran like crap on chrome

[wheat plume]

youtube loads just the same on both

[frozen ingot]

nah I've tried going back to firefox more than once but its just worse

[pale sigil]

@wheat plume tor network is slow

You're mixing up browser and network

[thick elk]

Tor browser is based on firefox lts I think, so it's bound to perform worse than regular firefox

[severe phoenix]

One thing that is nice about Edge and Chrome though is they can play HDR

never actually use it do watch HDR stuff

But that's nice

[thick elk]

I don't have an hdr screen (real one) and on linux it does not work either way so there is that

[wheat plume]

tbf, Chrome does match system theme really well

and uses global menu

[pale sigil]

Gecko

But ye I miss Firefox so much

[wheat plume]

Then use it

its perfectly fast

[severe phoenix]

It's faster than you with a hot grill on memorial day.

[thick elk]

Any good examples of sites that perform significantly worse on firefox and are not owned by google?

[wheat plume]

minecraft.net loaded at the same time on both for me

[pale sigil]

Outside of Google? (Fuck you Google) I had issues all the time tbh

[severe phoenix]

Try it?

[pale sigil]

It depends on what the site is really

Basic sites like Minecraft.net are probably fine

But Reddit for example

Significantly worse on Firefox

[ashen spindle]

the reason I switched to chrome back in the days was that twitch wasn't playing nice on firefox

[pale sigil]

Even now things are broke

[ashen spindle]

probably better now but no reason for me to go back really

[pale sigil]

Twitch was shit too

Nah twitch is still meh on Firefox

[thick elk]

Never really watched much twitch, reddit seems fine though

[pale sigil]

Seems fine till you move over, blame @spiral belfry

[wheat plume]

Reddit's images loaded faster than Firefox for me but the site wasn responsive for another second afterwards

[pale sigil]

He used to mock me for being a Firefox purist

[wheat plume]

but on Firefox, it all loaded together and was responsive sooner

[pale sigil]

But then I started devving for it and switched and couldn't go back

[ashen spindle]

if you use any plugins like adblockers and all these tests also are screwed

[thick elk]

Okay I noticed the lazy loading being a bit more slugish on youtube video's indeed

Well I will est with adblockers on both as it's a real world test

[wheat plume]

I use the same adblock on both

[ashen spindle]

still not the same comparison since they dont interact the same with the browser

[thick elk]

But yea I do notice a difference in comparison, still not that big a deal compared to the benefit.

[ashen spindle]

you can compare it for real usecase but comparing browser vs browser cant be done with modifications

[pale sigil]

Seriously fuck Google though

[wheat plume]

then use Firefox

[severe phoenix]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5oHS7CA6Qo

[wheat plume]

easy

[ashen spindle]

and yeah I didnt mention youtube bc that might be googles and not firefox's fault but still

[pale sigil]

I switched to Firefox when Quantum launched

It was beautiful

[thick elk]

Was not just youtube but larger assets in general.

[pale sigil]

And then they released containers and it was a dream

[thick elk]

Quantum was both great and terrible at the same time

the pain the transition caused was huge

[ashen spindle]

yeah anything that is more than plain html just was worse every time I looked

[wheat plume]

https://youtu.be/zZJ0fwbb-P8

7A is much more durable than 7 Pro!

[pale sigil]

Mhmm

[wheat plume]

nice

[pale sigil]

Can confirm

[wheat plume]

shush, you are still complaining about it to me

XD

[pale sigil]

Me grandma has more battery in her

[wheat plume]

yeah

its only the 3rd day

[severe phoenix]

Lol so it has Gyro

But can't be used

Due to the design

[wheat plume]

huh?

[severe phoenix]

How weird

The ROG Ally has Gyro, the hardware

But you can't use it.

[wheat plume]

ooh..

[thick elk]

Regardless, for me the tradeoffs in performance are definitely worth it.

[severe phoenix]

Just strange is all

[ashen spindle]

oh the biggest thing that phoronix also didnt test was HW accellerated video playback for vp9 at more than just 1080p or similar bitrates

[severe phoenix]

Holy shit it can draw up to 45w in handheld

[ashen spindle]

pretty sure chrome has the edge there

[severe phoenix]

No wonder the battery dies so fast

[wheat plume]

35*?

[severe phoenix]

VRR range is 48-120

[ashen spindle]

yeah god of war drains battery so fast on the ally compared to the steam deck /s

[thick elk]

But as for me, I stuck with firefox during their real dark period, the troubles right now are noting compared to that. I do really wish firefox renewed a focus on gaining performance parity as they are indeed falling behind in the current world of javascript frameworks optimized for chromium

[wheat plume]

The world has too many JS libraries that all do the same shit

[thick elk]

JS libraries exist for a good reason, it makes it take a lot less effort to develop at the cost of overhead.

[ashen spindle]

oh and I guess the latest feature that nvidia added, dlss-video upscaling is only in chromium as well

[wheat plume]

https://youtu.be/hPqhfAKTJ6k

<3

[severe phoenix]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XAJwwsmoug

[wheat plume]

o.o bet the power brick is 5 times its size xd

[severe phoenix]

The 9w silent mode is apparently useless

It's significantly slower than the SD at 9w

[ashen spindle]

yeah asus got work to do for the low power firmware settings

[wheat plume]

FUCKING FINALLY
PLASMA NO LONGER SWITCHES WORKSPACES WHEN YOU USE SCROLLWHEEL ON DESKTOP

[spiral belfry]

What have I done now?

[wheat plume]

that shit was so frustrating since I always did it automatically

[ashen spindle]

You are the sole reason firefox is bad, or something like that

[spiral belfry]

😅 I do kinda hate firefox

[thick elk]

I will probably keep using firefox till the bitter end even if it performs worse, misses some features and would be obviously worse for most people.

[frozen ingot]

firefox had a good run, it was excellent in the 2000s

[thick elk]

I do certainly hope they can narrow the real world performance gap as with that fixed it looks a lot more appealing across the board

[spiral belfry]

It's probably ok for the generic internet, but when you do anything more than look at Facebook, it sucks 😅

[thick elk]

It works fine for most sites I use, facebook is probably a bad example here

[spiral belfry]

(going to be angering a lot of people here)

[frozen ingot]

not a fan of it these days, slower and clunkier user experience than chome/chromium browsers to my experience

[spiral belfry]

Was an example of a basic site

[thick elk]

Never used it but always seemed insanely bloated when I look at it

[spiral belfry]

I would have put callums site, but I don't know what domain name it is 😂😂

[thick elk]

The discord webapp at least performs really well on firefox

Most sites I visit are pretty basic at least

[spiral belfry]

At least it has a use?? 😅

[thick elk]

Is there any good chromium based browser that synchronized with a browser with addon support on android?

[spiral belfry]

I would end up using IE before using Firefox tbh 😂

[pale sigil]

https://mrpl.me/

[spiral belfry]

Thanks bby 😘

I love it goes to a 404 page

[pale sigil]

Huh it certainly isn't working the way it should

I mean the other option isn't much better

Just says coming soon

I have had a coming soon page for 5 years

I just use the domain for other stuff

[spiral belfry]

I can help, though I'd have to invoice you through my company now 😂😂😂

[thick elk]

As for where IE would be an improvement, if outlook switched back to IE as a rendering engine that would be a huge improvement

[pale sigil]

Haha tbh I have no desire to make a landing page

I started one and never finished it

[spiral belfry]

That is actually shockingly true

[pale sigil]

What's shocking is Edge is actually really nice

[spiral belfry]

Oh I use edge exclusively now 😅 works better than chrome, which going back to teenage me would hate me

[thick elk]

For me it really boils down to a few factors, and weighing them somewhat neutrally I still stick to firefox:

Most of my browsing of sites in on ones that perform great even on firefox. This may be because it’s mostly simpler news like site instead of the reddit front page.
I do not want to live without userscripts on android and want to sync between my phone and desktop.
I really like my ui layout on Firefox, which is not something I can get comparable on chrome.
I got used to Firefox and it’s keybindings are quite engrained so it would take some effort to switch to something else.
On the chrome side yes there is a substantial performance uplift on certain sides but those are mostly not sides I regularly use.
Some extra features may be developed for just chrome but the number seems mostly insignificant.

Subjectively there is the matter of me wanting to help prevent a browser engine monopoly (or duopoly with safari).

As for using Edge, there is no real harm, it offers a quick path to migrate away from it if things go south, I personally would refuse to use it on Windows though out of principle.

[misty saffron]

instead ban every user from visiting / with cloudflare

that would be much more fun

[latent mural]

@wheat plume im trying out artix on a vm right now

kinda like it

[wheat plume]

Aha!

[crimson wigeon]

Ah yes a meme distro

[wheat plume]

is it? xd

[rocky topaz]

Artix isn't a meme distro. It's arch without systemD

[wheat plume]

das a meme, init

[crimson wigeon]

When the whole identity is about being omg no systemd look it's so good now then it's a meme

[misty saffron]

whats up with linux users intentionally crippling themselves

[rocky topaz]

It's a very vocal few honestly.

[wheat plume]

Yeh

There is no reason to use one init system over another

unless you want the smallest install ever possible

[latent mural]

i like artix beacuse its somewhat faster

[misty saffron]

msdos is also quite fast

[rocky topaz]

Everything is bloat, don't even turn the system on

[latent mural]

true

[frozen ingot]

guess they want to make it look like the inflated price tag went somewhere

other than straight into nvidias pockets

[pale sigil]

Why would you do this to me

Is this bad

Oh

I just skimmed through it

That's great

Pretty easy to replace the battery

Hell yes

Ahhh this phone keeps impressing me

This was the issue with my last two phones!

@wheat plume

[wheat plume]

what issue??

[pale sigil]

I'm loving mine

[wheat plume]

oh

why is that a worry?

phones already do that ;-;

im more worried about underglass cameras being used outside of phones for creepy shit

like in bathrooms or dressing rooms

[latent mural]

🤨

[ashen spindle]

eh, there are things for it already and if you want to use your phone for that it wont really matter either

dont think anything will change there from underglass cams

[wheat plume]

oh, thats one the 6A too

[pale sigil]

Finally when I take a pic of my dog in darker environments it doesn't look like shit

No dark mode Vs dark mode @prisma crag

Man discord compresses so much

Literally bitch black in my room last night with the only light source being my mic led

It is haha

Love this phone but I'm still waiting for the battery to get better

But it definitely has been

[latent mural]

Hey everyone, is there anyone here who's really knowledgeable about setting up Discord servers and would be willing to help me create one?

[pale sigil]

What's up

[latent mural]

Do you want help me?

[cursive summit]

Considering he set this one up and managed it for the longest of time

Pleasant is one of the peeps you can trust with setting stuff up

As long as you pay him like 20$ steam voucher

[latent mural]

Do you want help me?

[cursive summit]

I wouldn't help anyone with the name "west side"

East coast for life

B.I.G > Tupac

[wheat plume]

im from east coast, so east coast for life too xd

[cursive summit]

Lana, do you have a clue who Notorious BIG or Tupac Shakur even are?

[wheat plume]

Yes

[cursive summit]

https://tenor.com/view/crisis-averted-gif-13324149

[wheat plume]

rappers

old school ones

pretty notorious ones, you could say

[cursive summit]

Idk if 20-30 years back is super old school but

[wheat plume]

[cursive summit]

Yeah the OG's

I can't agree that 20 years in music time is old school considering how many bands are that old, and older, and still active

Radiohead, Cranberries, AC/DC is still around methinks

[wheat plume]

yeah yeah xd

I think I should have said the classics not oldschool idk

oldschool to me is not meaning old but more like original or classic or tradition

yanno?

[cursive summit]

What's this about you trying to be relatable

Sure... Inno?

[wheat plume]

xd

[gusty kiln]

https://i.redd.it/4lvpxujie11b1.png

If this is real, I'm buying it asap

Bye bye razer

Price converts to 175 usd

[sharp badger]

https://twitter.com/LogitechG/status/1659680414301028352?t=c-5_VTY3Yt6joBrOuRd9uw&s=19

Logitech G (@LogitechG)

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[astral haven]

the 305 is not small lol

heck the gpw feels smaller than it in the hand

[wheat plume]

how are Aliexpress able to make and sell bt mice for 49 cent each?

how are these sellers on Aliexpress able to make and sell bt mice for 49 cent each?

[ashen spindle]

is it a working mouse, do you even get a mouse when you order it

[wheat plume]

Allegedly it does work

bruh

[ashen spindle]

?

[wheat plume]

16mb ram xd

typo for sure

xxdd

[ashen spindle]

halo infinite reasons to not allow MS to buy more studios

[wheat plume]

how tf did he get a computer with a ryzen 5 2600 an rtx 2070 super for 360 pound on marketplace???

https://youtu.be/QOfGZC6xEb8

thats also what he said in the video... 😅 that he hopes it wasnt stolen

xd

and a decent corsair PSU

[ashen spindle]

idk seems like normal used price

shocker, used prices are lower?

[wheat plume]

damnn

[ashen spindle]

zen+ is like 5 years old

20 series around the same

[gusty kiln]

Fantech aria?

[ashen spindle]

eh yeah but thats nothing new

[wheat plume]

you just got Vikkrolled

[final flame]

wouldn't be surprised if it's been mined on

[wheat plume]

oh wow

[empty wren]

Personally cannot complain, I think I paid a little more for new one, the prior one was a pre built and it was $1500

[ashen spindle]

for used parts?

[empty wren]

Fully new

[ashen spindle]

the entire part there was about used parts

[empty wren]

Ah

😵‍💫

To be honest though those old high end cards do have a good price

Good that people mined on them

[ashen spindle]

huh

[empty wren]

Miners got stuff to sell

And lots of people are hesitant to purchase them

Should drive the price down

And maybe by then people will understand that good chance the mining card was cooled better

Not to mention not as stressed as typical usage does to thwm

[pale sigil]

@prisma crag

He looks like that because he hates cameras XD

When he noticed the camera he yeet

[solemn remnant]

[empty wren]

Oops wrong channel

[ornate latch]

yoyo, anyone know a mini version of g pro superlight

[empty wren]

no

make your own shell

[ornate latch]

i got no 3d printer

• i said mini not lighter version

[empty wren]

you can accomplish that too in cad

[ornate latch]

i can but i wanna solve it with a wallet and card

dam dam

[empty wren]

could ask piranha mods

they stick like a razer pcb or some logitech one into various mouse shells

[ornate latch]

that sounds awesome

[empty wren]

geez 170 for nothing even that special

i guess but wow

i paid that much for an anlog mouse

[old gulch]

Buy a cryomods kit and a G305

[old gulch]

Use hair dryer medium settings to soften the feet on the 305, then peel away until the screws are visible

Unscrew, remove sensor PCB carefully

then see documentation for fitting into the cryomods shell

The superlight shapes range from GP-L (copycat-ish) to 10% smaller superlight

5% is the second option, 3 in total

[old gulch]

No no

Wrong site

Mb

https://pmm.gg/

Superlight shapes start with “GP”

@prisma crag

You need to buy the G305 whole from a retailer, then harvest the PCB :p

And pop it into one of these things

kill 😈

burn feet unscrew bottom

remove pcb

Sure

If you’ve chinked crabs before same concept iirc

[astral haven]

50 euros nabbad

[old gulch]

agreed

[astral haven]

the finish looks awful tho

[old gulch]

Immensely popular a while back on mousereview

[old gulch]

Bah, at least they’re light and affordable

Remember Finalmouse?

you can choose between rechargeable battery or a set of disposable ones

Cool mechanism to insert them too

watch the vids below the product description, under “top charging” and “quick switch” (former recharge latter insert)

If you want smth else look for decorative grip tape lul

Or paint yourself

[old gulch]

BTL grips ^^

Ah shit here we go

[astral haven]

wow thats pretty crazy lmao

[old gulch]

Eh, they have the CBR which is like an HSK shape

Oh right, these use the Orochi V2 PCB btw

Gotta read, some are G305 others Orochi PCB powered

Question @astral haven do disposable batteries lose charge when they’re outside of the appliance?

[astral haven]

depends, generally yes but it takes a ton longer

[old gulch]

Hurrah

[astral haven]

but there are some battery chemistries that dont

[old gulch]

Battery life hack

Buy disposable PMM model just leave them lying about

After each session

[severe phoenix]

https://www.reddit.com/r/MouseReview/comments/13n3p0e/gpx_hyperlight_listing_on_taobao/

[severe phoenix]

Logitech joining in on the 8KHZ Meme

reduced weight

USB-C ect

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FwmClHaXoAQQJ6v?format=jpg&name=small

[latent mural]

@wheat plume 💀

[old gulch]

I’ve been waiting this day

When discord makes me think I finished life

accomplished my New Year’s resolution

Used to be better

A diagram at the bottom of the page

Included hybrid grip suggestions

Better design, but without stats in mind ig

Now they select according to grip size, b4 the selector suggested everybody with the same grip would like the same thing

[old gulch]

Don’t bait me

[latent mural]

where is 16KHZ?

[latent mural]

windows is not updating 💀

bruh im gonna switch to ltsc if this not stops 💀

[old marlin]

peoples setups already struggle with 8khz

wait till next year

when windows gets the high polling rate update

was moved forward a year already

[latent mural]

when cpu is underkill

[old marlin]

no

it's just bad setups

[tribal dirge]

Also game developers develop for mostly 125Hz in mind, not 8kHz

Because 95 percent of people playing their games have generic keyboards and mice that poll at 125Hz

[old marlin]

most games work fine with 8khz

• game devs would not opimized

[severe phoenix]

lol

most

riiight

[old marlin]

apex lead dev for example made a tweet where they said they had perfromance issues in apex

due to 1khz

the "fix" was just using 250hz

meanwhile a lot of people run 8khz in that game just fine

[tribal dirge]

Well, depends on a lot of variables.

Most of which cannot be controlled outside a lab environment.

[old marlin]

it depends almost entirely on your system

very few games actually have issues

aka

setting core affinities etc

[severe phoenix]

Any unity, unreal engine games will have issues

So, a lot of games

[old marlin]

ik people running 8khz in unreal games

with no issues

[severe phoenix]

Oh there are issues

They're just blind as bats.

[old marlin]

or the issues stem from bad setups

[tribal dirge]

If the performance dropoff is noticeable in a controlled environment, then it’s still a performance dropoff.

[old marlin]

like most of the issues do

[severe phoenix]

Yeah it is stemming from a bad setup

Using 8KHZ

😛

Also, even the top pro players using a 360HZ monitor would struggle to notice any difference between 1khz and 8000khz. So it seems almost pointless.

[old marlin]

top pro players also used like EC-2as

• up until recently 360hz monitors were all ass

[tribal dirge]

You gotta trade pixel density for 360Hz though

The tech isn’t there yet.

[old marlin]

not like that matters for pro players

[tribal dirge]

I’d rather keep my pixel density when I play games

So I can actually see my crosshair

[tribal dirge]

It kinda does, also 360Hz monitors are plagued with ghosting issues.

[old marlin]

yea

[tribal dirge]

The ghosting is so bad on 360Hz monitors

[old marlin]

that is why I said that up until recently they all were ass

[tribal dirge]

It might actually affect high level play

[old marlin]

the zowie one apparently is decent

but idk, haven't seen it myself yet

[tribal dirge]

BenQ?

BenQ monitors are ok

Also those are shit TN panels

IPS panels are objectively better in every way over TN panels

I would never buy a TN display. IPS displays only.

[severe phoenix]

Ew, I would never buy an IPS display, OLED only.

[tribal dirge]

OLED panels suffer from not being very bright.

[severe phoenix]

1000 nits is plenty bright for me

[tribal dirge]

I work in a room with a skylight and many windows lol. 1000 nits will not cut it.

[severe phoenix]

That sounds like a bad environment for gaming anyways. 😛

[tribal dirge]

Nah, I like the sunlight.

[severe phoenix]

lol

[tribal dirge]

I cannot work or play in a dark room

It makes me feel drowsy

Dark rooms just isn’t ideal for me.

[wheat plume]

Why do the fronts of bmw cars look so ugly

https://youtube.com/shorts/UXB9bnuyZb4

[frozen ingot]

that's a horrific interior

like being inside a zoomers brain

screens everywhere

[wheat plume]

Yeah ...
And a 30 inch tv on the back seats

[jagged cloak]

My main issue with most of the new BMWs is the horrificly oversized nose grill

[wheat plume]

The ugly AF horrifically oversized nose grill

[frozen ingot]

bmw has completely lost the plot

they've been kinda dead for me for years now

[wheat plume]

And my uncle will still continue to buy them
Like he does every year

.-.

[jagged cloak]

some of the new ones are still alright but yeah most just look awful

[frozen ingot]

hard to imagine we were at peak bmw only 20 years ago

[jagged cloak]

Every year?

[wheat plume]

Every fucking year

The longest hes had the same car is 3 years during the pandemic

[jagged cloak]

I'm likely getting a new car every 4 years due getting a new company car for which the lease time is 4 years. Every year seems ridiculous

[wheat plume]

Yeah
It is

[frozen ingot]

especially modern cars, they're boring as shit

he'll just get a slightly worse and cheaper made car for each passing year buying a new one

[jagged cloak]

Then again my dad gets a new company car every 1.5years since he is a representative for a company and drives allot, and I guess selling a car that has 200k+ km after 3years isn't as financially viable as selling one with just 100k km earlier on

[wheat plume]

I mean technically his car is a company car
He runs his own company
But he drives to clients in a large truck when delivering shit

[fair gull]

how about

i bet people then complained about the nose grill size aswell

has always just increased

[frozen ingot]

https://www.topgear.com/sites/default/files/cars-car/carousel/2020/12/p90236604_highres_the-bmw-m3-csl-e46-0.jpg

[frozen ingot]

well yeah but there's a different between making it a bit larger for each generation within reason

https://static.cdn-expressen.se/images/bf/9e/bf9e69a659ed4707aa6333b32d3534e7/16x9/2560.jpg

then dropping a monstrosity like this

like they're too late with huge grills for cooling anyways, the ICE is on its way out

[reef patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/bb18-bb-natalie-negrotti-pig-gif-6068684

[frozen ingot]

https://tenor.com/view/peppa-pig-pig-dancing-jamming-vibing-gif-22084798

[wheat plume]

yes literally xd

[jagged cloak]

Looks like it is trying to smell me from a mile away

[boreal horizon]

It only gets worse when you look at the X7

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c6/BMW_G07_IMG_4977.jpg

[frozen ingot]

bmw needs to fire everyone

[boreal horizon]

cmon wtf is this

[frozen ingot]

the designers

and the boardroom associates that greenlit this

[boreal horizon]

This is complete anecdotal evidence, but I see less and less BMWs here in Bavaria and more Audis/Mercedes

Kinda seems like quite few people agree with them looking ugly

[frozen ingot]

the bangle era was controversial and had a fair bit of duds too but nothing like current day bmw

[boreal horizon]

The M models nowadays are still sexy beasts

or at least used to, the 2023 M3 is so ugly

https://cdn.motor1.com/images/mgl/8APlEe/s3/2024-bmw-m3-cs.jpg wtf is this

[frozen ingot]

they're only really okay because the rest is so terrible though

[boreal horizon]

The M2 became a box, but at least it doesnt look completley stupid from the front

[frozen ingot]

to me bmw design had its peak from the mid 90s to the early-mid 00s, with gens like E39 or E46

[boreal horizon]

BMW did the reverse mercedes for me

I enjoy Mercedes progression so much more

BMW just went downhill

and it keeps getting worse

[frozen ingot]

am not a huge fan of modern mercedes either but they're not so ugly its outright provoking like bmw

[boreal horizon]

german manufactureres kinda suck in general there

The S class before the last refresh had a lagging infotainment screen

no processing power in a car that usually costs 80k upwards

Whole VW got a complete shitshow with their tech departments

[frozen ingot]

a lot of infotainment systems are laggy ass touchscreen junk now

[boreal horizon]

They've fired the guy responsible a couple years ago, then restarted again, now it's in another mess currently

[frozen ingot]

its like how hard is it to make a menu system with mostly static icons and text not lag

[boreal horizon]

VW ID2 infotainment was hardly usable sometimes

[frozen ingot]

how utter shit would the mcu you pick have to be

[boreal horizon]

like legit full of bugs and crashes

Yeah, problem is VWs huge impact

Skoda, VW, Seat, Audi -> all trash infotainments

if you live in europe they make up tons of cars you will see daily

so youre used to their garbage here

[frozen ingot]

the skoda fabia my parents had for a few years had a bearable infotainment somehow

I just accessed the stereo on it anyways

[boreal horizon]

Landrover/Range rover used to have a top notch entertainment system like 8 years ago

[frozen ingot]

somehow they seem to have made it worse on gens after that one

[boreal horizon]

They were one of the first ones to use SSDs, strong processing power

the thing booted up in a few seconds completely. Most brands still dont do that nowadays

[frozen ingot]

I suspect the chip shortage that started around 2020 led some manufacturers to just buy whatever crap chips they could find to get the cars made and ended up with laggy ass infotainments as a result

[boreal horizon]

and they still are having issues with chips

We just recently ordered a new Cupra and the 360 degree camera just became available to order again after months of unavailablility and extended the delivery time by like 3 months

[fickle ore]

I already wondered how damn rich you have to be to buy new cars :p

[boreal horizon]

Depending on where you are from in Germany you can drive REALLY nice cars for quite a cheap price

Live anywhere near a big car manufacturing city?

You won't believe the deals these guys get on cars

[fickle ore]

Ah

[boreal horizon]

like go to munich -> BMWs everywhere, go to Wolfsburg (VW) -> VW everywhere. Ingolstadt? Audi everywhere.

[fickle ore]

Like most new cars that arent completely crap cost like 50k€ and how many years of working to get that much in savings?

[boreal horizon]

New cars are mostly leased/sold to companies

[fickle ore]

Imagine if they weren't, they'd have to be like 50% cheapr lol

[boreal horizon]

Business leasing often comes with insane discounts + tax deductions

As in your monthly leasing rate can come out literally 50% cheaper than the price youd pay to finance/pay for it

[fickle ore]

Ah yeah nothing like that in here

but that explains it

[boreal horizon]

And then the cars are sold after 1-2 years of usage as used

[fickle ore]

govt's fucking up functioning capitalism with tax deductions, who would have guessed

[boreal horizon]

lmao

look up which states in Germany own parts of the car companies

Niedersachsen owns 12% of VW directly

The car industry employs nearly 1 million people in germany directly

So the states have a big interest in keeping car companies happy and keep them selling lots of cars

just waiting for our card house to slowly crumble down because they fucked up the switch to electric + all the companies currently delivering parts for combustion engines are gonna bleed

[fickle ore]

exciting times

[jagged cloak]

Can't wait for the electrical grid in Belgium to shit it self once too many people need to charge their electric cars

End of this month/start of June I'm getting a hybrid because a colleague is leaving I get to sort of upgrade my company car

[fickle ore]

I'm just laughing at the prices knowing half of it is taxes in my country and they want us to pay 50k for a car, so I'm waiting for country's bank account to collapse lol. Tho I'm prob the only one so there's that

[jagged cloak]

I'm just glad I got a charging station within a hundred meters to go park my car

And otherwise I can do what most people do with a hybrid, just use it without the electric motor

And enjoy the additional emissions for hauling all that extra battery weight

[fickle ore]

I got a charging station at my house but its turned off bc I'm driving a 23 yo beater

[ashen spindle]

yeah I never looked into it but by pure logic any hybrid car should just be a bad idea surely, from emissions and long term cost point

[fickle ore]

Yeah this will be interesting to follow for sure

[fickle ore]

Depends on the tax loopholes

[ashen spindle]

I guess but from the car alone I mean

for personal use sure maybe, but for the greater picture that just cant add up I feel like

[fickle ore]

Yea prob, unless ur driving like just a few km per day

[jagged cloak]

For my driving style and the short distances I do having an electrical motor might help my emissions

[fickle ore]

Though batteries are improving for hybrids too

[boreal horizon]

Oh yes, welcome to Germany! We used to give people big discounts for buying plug in hybrids

They were then leased out to companies who often returned them with their chargers still in their original packaging

it was just cheaper to buy the hybrid version and get the tax breaks

[fickle ore]

Yeah depending on the country hybrids might be tax-free or deducted

[jagged cloak]

The only reason I will always keep my hybrid charged is for the increased acceleration speed 😂

[frozen ingot]

speak for yerself yankee boi

[ashen spindle]

yeah but instead of hybrids Lindner and his definitely not paid by porches people now force the stupid e-fuels, which is even worse

[frozen ingot]

I think I've seen an ampera on the road maybe twice ever

not a big hit over here

you'll see VAG EVs everywhere

or teslas

or the frenchies like renault zoe

[fickle ore]

Though, weight wise, I'm wondering if by optimizing and min-maxing a hybrid would be the best if 1) you'd have it charged fully before every drive 2) have only 10 liters of gas as a backup. But no idea

[frozen ingot]

probably because of poor sales

[ashen spindle]

even if you min max it you still end up using gas vs energy that could in theory be made 100% with renewables

[fickle ore]

Do hybrids weigh less than electrics?

[jagged cloak]

Normally yes due to less batteries

[fickle ore]

Sure, but if we're looking at the total emissions, we also have to derive a model that includes weight of the car, and the relationship to car tire emissions and road breakage, which increase (linearly?) with weight of the car.

[ashen spindle]

ok so just make the care drive less by having the same battery as a hybrid minus the gas tank part

[jagged cloak]

The car I'm getting in hybrid weighs 400-500kg more in it's hybrid form not sure if it was full electric though

oh nvm wrong about that

1410kg vs 1725kg

I suppose shedding a full engine of weight and just beefing up the electric motor does allot for weight savings

[ashen spindle]

also it means you need to continue supporting gas stations instead of replacing them entirely which saves tons more, not trucks to carry that around etc.

[fickle ore]

Yeah there's that.

Elecs are for sure better in the long run

[jagged cloak]

I'm just glad the car I'm getting isn't a BMW with a big shnose and it's this:

[ashen spindle]

I still only drive by train and dont own any care but thats not working for everyone xD

[reef patrol]

Y'all need hatchbacks. So many long ass cars for two people on the road

[jagged cloak]

I just hope the person who had it before me took good care of it

[ashen spindle]

but I hope I can continues until evs are massively improved

[fickle ore]

I'm gona drive my 2003 Ford until 2030 buhahaha

[jagged cloak]

I currently have a Mercedes A hatchback, but the lease on it is ending soon so I'm getting the car of a colleague that is leaving

[fickle ore]

that'd be super limiting, like u wanna hit the mall or groceries, or going garden shopping etc. Idk how people manage that. It's not feasible for most ppl imo.

[ashen spindle]

I know, I also dont buy shit aside from tech so I dont need to hit the mall or anything for heavy things

and delivery groceries is a big thing now

[boreal horizon]

My gf and I share 1 car, but managing without one completely would be annoying often

it would be possible, but really annoying

[jagged cloak]

Getting certain things you could bring home by car delivered by the store is often stupidly expensive

[fickle ore]

Tbh the city green voters here, idk what they think would happen to economy as a whole if ppl stopped using cars and just used mass tranportation. I bet like 80% of the small companies are out of city in places hard to reach

[jagged cloak]

Public transport is fun and all until you quickly want to go somewhere and then get home again

[fickle ore]

Ye

[ashen spindle]

do you not have busses?

[jagged cloak]

Turning a 20minute round trip with your car into an hour or more because you have to wait for the next bus

[ashen spindle]

train line closest to me comes every 5 minutes lol

[fickle ore]

Yeah Im gonna go to a bus with a new door frame or a kitchen countertop

😄

[ashen spindle]

yeah but how often to you buy these in a year

you can rent a car for a day or the hour that takes

[jagged cloak]

Here not too many buses come by maybe two or so an hour that I can actually take to city center or close to it

[fickle ore]

Such a pita

[jagged cloak]

So if I'm hungry I would have to wait for a bus for maybe 20minutes and if unlucky same for the trip back

[ashen spindle]

you say pita buy renting for a day you buy a new kitchen sounds like less paperwork than registering a car, paying insurance and keep in in top condition etc.

[fickle ore]

This. Work already takes too many hours a day. I'd not wanna live if I'd have to spend extra 1-2 hours a day for commute and +1-2 hours for groceries and going to gym/taking kids to hobbies etc

[ashen spindle]

if public transport is lacking thats an issue that can be solved by adding more

[jagged cloak]

Let alone trying to do something late at night when even less or no busses are driving

[ashen spindle]

and I'm not saying it would work for everyone ofc

[fickle ore]

Yeah but then I'd ahve to walk or take a bike to the car rent place kek

+1 hour

[jagged cloak]

In the end I get a company car as part of my salary package which is infinitely more convenient

And if I would deny the company car I would maybe get a fraction of what it is worth in usage per month as extra salary

[ashen spindle]

or get a cargo taxi that picks you up and drives you back and forth so no time wasted at all, no paper to fill out etc.

[fickle ore]

If they forbid personal cars, that's the day I'm just gonna RE (retire early) 😛

I hope everyone else too hehe

[ashen spindle]

god no I am not advocating for that

[fickle ore]

could work with robotaxies tbh

if they're cheap and have lotsa room

[jagged cloak]

In the future with self driving electric cars it could become a reality where you don't own your own car anymore

And they just drive you around

But then comes the issue of people being utterly disgusting

[fickle ore]

It'll never work bc people would need to take care of the vehicles so that repairs don't get added to the price of the transport in excess

It'll just end up costing same or more as taxis

[ashen spindle]

I mean it already works just fine with public transport, robo taxis could track who did what more easily so people wont do it as much

[jagged cloak]

I suppose robo taxi's could use your ID for authentication and have cameras inside to know if you did something wrong

Likely at that point even detect things using AI

[fickle ore]

Maybe, but taking photos of the car after each drive would again be a pita, so would waiting for the car to arrive. And the worst would be ticking of the price when it's waiting for you adding to the stress of use.

[jagged cloak]

Yeah the whole process would be a pita unless it's all automated with cameras inside and AI orsomething

[ashen spindle]

it doesnt need to be perfect, its not like every person on public transport shits the seats