🔌│tech

[fair gull]

everyone did

although room is more a loose definition

[reef patrol]

Some of us have office rooms, some have pirate ships or floating islands 😄

The Irishman has a whole ass pub because of course.

Arrrrrrrr

[pale sigil]

All I see is habbo

[reef patrol]

But good.

[cursive summit]

https://videocardz.com/newz/asus-rog-ally-gaming-console-to-feature-amd-ryzen-7-7840u-zen4-rdna3-apu

https://www.amd.com/en/products/apu/amd-ryzen-7-7840hs

Hmmm

8 cores, Radeon 780M

[woven laurel]

[cursive summit]

That is good

[wheat plume]

isnt this the one meant to compete with the Steam Deck?

[cursive summit]

It's whatever Asus thinks it is

Wasn't this one some cloud gaming one

Why'd it need a 780m then

Prolly runs windows like gpd win

[ashen spindle]

this is going to beat the steam deck into oblivion performance wise

[frozen ingot]

don't think it'll matter

[severe phoenix]

Lol

It's not going to do much of anything

[old marlin]

no

[frozen ingot]

people are gonna buy into the steam deck for the ecosystem

[old marlin]

the ally is supposed to compete with the steamdeck

imo biggest problem of the ally is OS

[ashen spindle]

what ecosystem

[old marlin]

and battery life

otherwise seems pretty decent

[cursive summit]

Also runs at FHD so

Performance should be a bit closer to the Deck cause extra pixels

[old marlin]

you don't HAVE to run it on FHD

[ashen spindle]

lol nope this is a lot faster than steam deck even with higher resolution

[old marlin]

people will keep buying steam decks since it is cheap

and good enough for a lot of games

[ashen spindle]

yeah its not competing on same price

[gusty kiln]

780M is about a gtx 1050

[old marlin]

basically what steam deck competitors all lost to so far

yea but you don't play on cranked settings

you get away with as low as it can go most of the time

[ashen spindle]

ehh, none of them had the option to be much better at a higher price point

[old marlin]

since the screen is small

[ashen spindle]

they all had somewhat similar performance for more cost

[old marlin]

yea I'm not saying the competition messed up

just hard to compete

when something with enough performance costs like twice of what a steamdeck costs

[ashen spindle]

ya

[old marlin]

how much was the ayaneo next?

[gusty kiln]

Though you can plug in a laptop 4090 into the Ally

[ashen spindle]

also the comparison isnt really valid since afaik we dont have any chip with the igpu yet

iirc thats just from a geekbench result

shouldn't be far off from it but still to keep in mind

1060 was the min spec gpu for most games till recently and thats in apu form now

[gusty kiln]

It's only a small bump from the 680m right?

Plenty of benchmarks of that

[ashen spindle]

780m is rdna3

[gusty kiln]

AMD claims 25% bump

Man I would love a 16" laptop with a 7940HS and a 99.9 WHr battery

[vagrant pagoda]

Rnda 2 vs 3 and 2400 vs 3000 stock clicks

And 55w max for the 780m vs 45w max for 680m

[pale sigil]

Would you say going from a 970 to 1080 for £110 is worth it @ashen spindle

With a 3600x atm

[ashen spindle]

uhhhhhh

probably

[crisp granite]

dude
that is a solid upgrade for 100€

[ashen spindle]

would probably try to save up for a bigger upgrade but if that isn't an option for now, sure

[pale sigil]

Ye that's what I was thinking

[pale sigil]

I thought this but define save up

What's close price wise for that?

[crisp granite]

honestly, saving up a few hundred more euros and getting used 30 or even 20 series

saving up a few hundred more and just buying last gen AMD 6950XT

[ashen spindle]

idk what prices are in the uk

[pale sigil]

Few hundred wouldn't happen

[ashen spindle]

I just know the card is a bit old by now

[pale sigil]

If there's something around 200 maybe

But he's been using my 970 since well god knows

And he doesn't have a lot of money so I said to my friend can I sell it to another friend (the 1080) got x

So he could upgrade at least for some games where there's a huge difference

[ashen spindle]

it is an upgrade but as I said idk the uk market just that the card will be like 6 years old

[astral haven]

also is that you pay 100 and you get a 1080 and then you can sell the 970?

or are you selling the 970 then with the money +100 buying a 1080

id absolutely pay 100 to get a 1080

nah

a 970 is shockingly good

easily worth 50 in the us

nice msi model sold yesterday for 85 on ebay

???

the 970 slaughters the 1030 unilaterally

excuse me?

v have you ever been in the market for a cheap gpu?

yes

i dailied 6670 for ages

just because i have money now doesnt mean that was always the case lmao

this was my first "good" computer
didnt have a phone when i had my bad computer so i cant really find pics

ooh heres one of the bad ones

thats an r7 270x tho i didnt have it for long

[cursive summit]

An update on the ROG Ally

Original spec leaker is saying it's going to be 800$

A lot cheaper than expected, but still double the Deck

Although 800$ is not that shite considering that the good ones go for 1200

[astral haven]

its also doubling the deck on most specs

[cursive summit]

Honestly, I see it being pretty successful

[astral haven]

2x price for 2x perf is pretty unusual

[cursive summit]

Really good specs and if the price is truly 800$

That's... reasonable

[astral haven]

yah

[cursive summit]

Have they announced anything resembling a dock?

Idk but for me handhelds are more of a game station console for docking than a portable console

[astral haven]

it supports the flow egpu thingey which is solidly capable of being a dock

[cursive summit]

Wait, does it have Thunderbolt 4?

[astral haven]

negatory

[cursive summit]

Aw

There goes longevity

[astral haven]

only supports the xg mobile for docking

[cursive summit]

Wtf is Ryzen Z1 series

[astral haven]

they say custom and im inclined to believe them

[cursive summit]

Z1 is their own branding, I assume

[crimson wigeon]

Advertising armoury crate like it's a good thing

[cursive summit]

Cause another leak said 7840HS

[astral haven]

wait only 16gb?
sad

[cursive summit]

Armoury Crate was only good for one thing

Installing basic drivers

After that I fought with it like 10 times to get rid of it cause it keeps force reinstalling

Those we call extras

I think accessories are more important

Also,

https://tenor.com/view/anchorman-science-its-science-gif-20674302

[astral haven]

there are coolers that rely on gravity to work i guess thats what they are talking about?

[cursive summit]

That battery will be hammered hard though

500 nits?

FHD 120Hz?

Yeah that sounds like 1 hour of battery

[astral haven]

depends on the game ofc

oh shoot does it support vrr or just changing hz manually?

[shadow minnow]

Ah yes

I am sure it will be

Gravity doesn’t impact cool companies ofc

[astral haven]

what

yes, and its rather painful to use on desktop

browsing the internet and watching youtube videos?

[crisp granite]

an iPad handles porn quite well

[astral haven]

and an ally would be better still

and the ally would also be better at games

win win win

[crisp granite]

you can play genshin on any other mobile device

why do you need an ally?

[astral haven]

goodness i wish to watch youtube videos on a larger screen

because larger screens look better?

im not sure how this is even a discussion?

because im addicted and i need my fix?

watch the ltt video

because they are genuine

but yes i do have a problem

dave doesnt cover much of anything in any depth

watch the ltt video
their asus rep showed them how it works well when you are resting it on a table

deck is rather awkward to use with the screen facing you

[crisp granite]

get an iPad

it'll probably cost less too

[astral haven]

ipads are worse at navigation

[crisp granite]

mad skills

[astral haven]

i mean with the screen pointed towards your face instead of your stomach

thats why the nreal works so well with the deck

[astral haven]

but yea ipads are atrocious for desktop use, less capable than my phone even at mutitasking
if i wanted to multitask i would just get a surface, but i also want to be able to game

[crisp granite]

get a surface studio with the RTX 3050

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[astral haven]

hevvy

[crisp granite]

start lifting

[astral haven]

its also a little big to fit in a backpack and doesnt have a battery /s

you meant the laptop studio, theres also an actual surface studio product

but yea no the laptop studio is seriously heavy

it felt like double the weight of the book 2 tho its very much not obviously

its a damn cool device tho
and tb4? want

i probably would actually buy an ally if it had thunderbolt or at least a pcie dock

and the prices are completely out to lunch for consumers

[gusty kiln]

If only they made an xg mobile under a grand

[astral haven]

the 2022 radeon one lmao

[gusty kiln]

6800xt?

How much is that one

[astral haven]

6850 mobile
its 999 lel

[gusty kiln]

Ewwww

Still overpriced, but then again it's a niche product

[astral haven]

ofc

im considering a used rtx3000 surface book 3

but the prices used are still out to lunch

[gusty kiln]

Surface studio laptop seems nice but 1600 without a dgpu is yikes

[astral haven]

works for my company 🤷

[gusty kiln]

Company vs a single person buying

[astral haven]

you need to forget about dolby vision its a garbage proprietary standard that deserves death

[crisp granite]

me when proprietary standards

[astral haven]

its literally worse than hdr10+ in every way besides max brightness which it matches

taken over what

name 2 streaming services that support it

that dont support hdr10+ ofc

"Disney+ uses HDR10 as the default HDR format"

hbo supports both

🤨

regardless the surfaces dont have any hdr at all lmao

thats the one advantage of the ipads

[gusty kiln]

Didn't realize the surface laptop 5 was already out

[astral haven]

yea but its a garbage screen last i checked

[gusty kiln]

Need oled or miniled

[astral haven]

random ips garbage

[gusty kiln]

Yeah

Every manufacturer advertising hdr on ips is trolling

[astral haven]

contrast ratio of 1.1k lmao

[gusty kiln]

At least VA have about 3000

Could almost get away with VA

[astral haven]

but mah viewing angles for a device that is only large enough to be used by 1 person

🤣

what mode???

[gusty kiln]

Show room mode

[astral haven]

what does it do -_-

[gusty kiln]

Nothing just play random advertisements

When on display at a store

[astral haven]

that would work fine with va?

you get a solid 30 degrees of perfectly fine...

like you wouldnt be able to see it in teletubby mode but like uh
y tho

fanboys when the 6900xt gets smacked around by the 3090
just lower settings 😭
fanboys with the 6800 smacks around the 3070 haha yes should have bought more vram

[crisp granite]

to be fair
I have learned my lesson

always buy flagships and you'll be able to run everything at a minimum of 30FPS

[astral haven]

🤷 my 3090 already cant even hit 1080p 30 now

in 1 game but shh

yea its just a bit mislit in a few situations

hasnt been enough time since release unless you speedrun lmao

and speedrunning at 20 fps is pain

thats actually a pretty big number not gonna lie

hmm thats actually not terrible

[reef patrol]

Surface
RTX

What unholy merge did I miss. 😁

[astral haven]

quadros

[reef patrol]

I'm still mentally locked in a world where surface ran Microsoft's phone OS and were bad imitations of iPads.

[rough osprey]

microsoft bought nvidia

[astral haven]

surface has never ran microsofts phone os?

suface duo is android

and pro book etc have always been full windows

[reef patrol]

Was it Windows 8 then? It had the same metro UI.

It's been a while.

[astral haven]

yup

it was just regular 8 then 8.1

[tribal dirge]

iPad is still the best as far as tablets go.

They are untouchable in the market lmao.

[rough osprey]

sadly they run ipados

[tribal dirge]

Unfortunately, it’s like ios and MacOS has a baby.

[astral haven]

thats just groupthink

[tribal dirge]

Just keep ios lol

[rough osprey]

im getting depressed when using an apple device

the ui is just uh

[astral haven]

um no its just ios

macos has no involvement

[tribal dirge]

But now it’s getting Mac features

[astral haven]

no
its getting extremely cut down versions of features available on every android tablet

[wheat plume]

The first Surface tablet ran an ARM version of Windows 8

[tribal dirge]

Stage manager, and universal control, windowed applications,

[wheat plume]

Limited to just Store apps

[tribal dirge]

Both of which are shared on both MacOS and iPadOS

[astral haven]

[citation needed]

[tribal dirge]

Android tab is much worse and the ui is actually ugly.

Also the app ecosystem on android tab is much smaller than the app ecosystem on iPadOS

[astral haven]

🤷 which is why i use surface
but the features of ipados come from android

[astral haven]

thats been untrue for a while now

[wheat plume]

thats the name

Windows RT

[tribal dirge]

Desktop and touch interfaces never mix well together.

Buttons on desktop user interfaces are tiny.

[astral haven]

windows 8 and above have had tablet specific interfaces...

[tribal dirge]

And they suck, they really do.

[astral haven]

said like someone who doesnt have the option to use either

[rough osprey]

i love windows raytracing

[tribal dirge]

I’ve tried it on my work laptop and it’s actually unusable.

[astral haven]

for work i was given both an ipad and a surface and the surface is just better

[tribal dirge]

So I always keep the keyboard on it.

[astral haven]

🤷 our ipads all have the keyboards permanently attached as well...

we had to switch to logitech because the first party ones are unuseable

[tribal dirge]

I don’t use iPads with a mouse and keyboard, it sounds foreign to me.

[astral haven]

thats because you cant use a mouse with ipads

[wheat plume]

you can

[tribal dirge]

You can actually

[astral haven]

nope

[tribal dirge]

But it’s very bad

[astral haven]

theres no cursor

[wheat plume]

There is

its a round thingy

[astral haven]

nope

[wheat plume]

yes

[astral haven]

its just a suggestion

it pretends its a finger

[fresh heart]

Hi, I would just like to know if there is a 60HE with knob? (mod, prebuild, prototype?)

[wheat plume]

by default it tries to snap onto areas on the screen that you can click on but yeah... can drag and drop files and shit with it

[astral haven]

its actually quite painful

[wheat plume]

nu ;-;

[tribal dirge]

No, it’s literally a mouse, and you can turn off snapping.

[wheat plume]

Maybe mod? idk xd

[fair gull]

no

[tribal dirge]

You can even right click on it.

[fresh heart]

sad 😢

[astral haven]

yea its a mouse but the cursor part doesnt work

[tribal dirge]

Nooooo, don’t use that.

[astral haven]

its just a hack that allows it to function

[wheat plume]

100 dollars

wow

too much

That thing looks amazing with the Surface Studfio though

you can use it in Photoshop to change colors and tools and whatnot

[tribal dirge]

True, it’s not really a cursor, and it’s probably done intentionally by design.

[fresh heart]

it is pretty fat but looks cool

[tribal dirge]

Although I really don’t like it.

[astral haven]

obviously its intentional

they cant kill the mac

just like the "multiwindow" limitations

[wheat plume]

iPad aint ever going to kill the macbook even if it has proper mouse support

and thats because of the OS

[astral haven]

thats the point

[tribal dirge]

And again, it’s intentional by design.

[wheat plume]

ye

[tribal dirge]

They don’t want to take away from Mac sales

[astral haven]

it can run macos physically they just choose not to

[wheat plume]

especially since they both run M1 CPUs

xd

[astral haven]

regardless not my problem since i use surface

[tribal dirge]

They probably did it to save costs on chip manufacturing.

[astral haven]

hell nah

[wheat plume]

Yeah, more bulk quantity = cheaper to get them

[astral haven]

they could easily get away with an a15 or even a14

[tribal dirge]

Exactly

[wheat plume]

can iPadOS utilise all the power of the M1?

[astral haven]

yes actually
the m1 isnt actually that much more powerful than the a15

[wheat plume]

?

wat

[tribal dirge]

Also the M1s in iPads are usually binned chips that didn’t make it through the QC of Mac but still make QC for iPad.

[wheat plume]

you telling me that the A15 they had in iPhones is more powerful than a 12th gen Intel CPU?

[tribal dirge]

Hence the lower clock speed in iPads

[astral haven]

the m1 isnt more powerful than a 12th gen intel cpu besides if you are talking celerons

actually maybe a few pentiums

[wheat plume]

Maybe it was 10th gen then

[astral haven]

yep

[tribal dirge]

At the time m1 released it was around 9-10gen intels.

[astral haven]

phone chips are damn close to the bottom of the x86 tablet market

the main difference between a15 and m1 is 8 gpu cores rather than 5

[wheat plume]

I would absolutely love for someone to make a Surface tablet that runs Linux instead
Because the Surface tablets are something I really like and would love to have but they are too expensive for what hardware you get ;-;

and they run Windows 🤢

[tribal dirge]

No, M1 is completely different from that of a15 when you look at their CPUs.

[wheat plume]

I wish they did

[astral haven]

the cores are the same, there are minor differences in cache quantity

[wheat plume]

System76 are mega expensive themselves though ;-;

[tribal dirge]

The area the cpu takes up in M1 alone is larger than the physical die of the entire a15

The performance cores and efficiency cores have way more transistors in them than that of a15

So idk what bs you’re pulling lol

[astral haven]

its half cache

[tribal dirge]

sir, the cores arent the same

[astral haven]

if you count cache as part of the cores? sure

but it isnt, so they are

[wheat plume]

🤤

too bad we cant get AMD on the cheaper models ;-;

[tribal dirge]

no, thats excluding cache

[astral haven]

https://www.techpowerup.com/img/p9g5vqdBAoGb0wIc.jpg

vs a14

m1 has much bigger caches
but the cores themselves are identical

[wheat plume]

Changing to AMD is 200 dollars extra... ;-; wtf why?

[astral haven]

intel sells chips for cheap

[wheat plume]

pink wood panelling <3

so pretty

[astral haven]

no heres actually excluding cache

[wheat plume]

would this worth 200 dollars extra over the intel one?

[tribal dirge]

hmm

[astral haven]

up to you, depends what you are doin

[wheat plume]

heres the fun part heheheehe

[tribal dirge]

oh damn

[wheat plume]

LOL

[astral haven]

i should requisition a dead surface from work and see if i can run linux on it

[halcyon moss]

depends on what the intel one is

[wheat plume]

oo, the offer discount on their mech board if you buy it with a Thelio

[tribal dirge]

lol

[astral haven]

"discount"

[halcyon moss]

better get a wooting keyboards :p

[astral haven]

not really an option for cpu or gpu on these doods unfortunately

gotta go framework if you want that

framework 16 is kinda hype but i refuse to go without a touchscreen

[wheat plume]

IDK why but the System76 aesthetic on their website and in their OS gives me French vibes

but they are an American company

ah yes, cause Colorado isnt in America

my bad /s

Why have stabs in your spacebar when you can just have two spacebars!

then it would not be 60 :P

man

300 for the Heavy

but it has USB hub

[astral haven]

a $12 part lel

[wheat plume]

true

Two USB C and Two USB A hub

[astral haven]

thats actually relatively neat
shame about the price

[tribal dirge]

I just like how it mimics the Spacex naming scheme.

[wheat plume]

huh?

[astral haven]

definetly not a comparison you want to be making in 2023 lmao

[tribal dirge]

the falcon heavy was a thing, along with their standard falcon rockets.

[wheat plume]

I love that, like Wooting, the entire keyboard is open source even the chassis and all

o..

[tribal dirge]

I remember when the falcon heavy was the coolest thing in aerospace. now they've moved onto the starhip.

[crisp granite]

those spacebars would still need stabs

[wheat plume]

oh

[crisp granite]

anything 2u or more needs stabs

[wheat plume]

accurate description

[astral haven]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/846300771200270356/1097736041080823958/IMG_5032.jpg?width=718&height=539

overclockers steam deck credit fzrdontdie

[wheat plume]

[astral haven]

how the heck do you hold your deck???

[wheat plume]

OMFH STEAM HAS ANIMATED HOLO STICKERS <3 <3 THEY SO CUTE I LOVE THEM

[astral haven]

oh dear

[final flame]

More surprised you didn't know, theres also Myuri stuff

[wheat plume]

oo

AAAH I WANT

[boreal horizon]

no

[final flame]

No u

[wheat plume]

yay..

more ads...

/s

Wait, my bad, its not advertising
Its badging !!!!

Totally different!!

[reef patrol]

More like badgering.

[thick elk]

I don't think it's bad that they showcase cloud storage integration in tips and such per se.
After all why not showcase features. But the way they do it is rather obvious, yellow ! to drawn attention instead of a more neutral icon to have it as a tip. and point to it as if something is wrong.
Location it the way of what you are interacting with, instead of just upon login or in the bottom of some settings window.

[empty wren]

Could just use windows 10

[marsh glade]

Windows Vista

[empty wren]

I guess that works too just do not download free games

[thick elk]

It's not like windows 10 doesn't have shitty popups with setting up your device and such

[empty wren]

Okay windows 7 it is

[thick elk]

At that point you probably can't run the things that force windows upon you anyway

[empty wren]

Would that not require the pro version?

[reef patrol]

Yes?

[thick elk]

As far as I know there are workarounds that don't

besides who would willingly buy windows, other than one of those cheap I don't want to bother cracking keys

so requiring pro should not matter much

[marsh glade]

I neutered half of my windows install with Win10Privacy and I usually don't have catastrophic problems that prevent me from accessing basic functionality

[thick elk]

I just use it too rarely to be bothered much, just the 100% chance of having to wait on some update

[wheat plume]

[reef patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-no-oh-no-anyway-gif-18887547

[empty wren]

Lol Microsoft literally had their office preloaded on them for years

[astral haven]

google is not shocked in the slightest lol

[thick elk]

I wish bing all the best in competing, last I tried it did not offer any reason to use it.

[astral haven]

they already switched to microsoft cloud storage

[thick elk]

mostly my flow is as such > search on duckduckgo either I get what I want or !g it is

[astral haven]

so you are using bing to search just in a roundabout way

[ashen spindle]

^

ddg is basically bing

[thick elk]

Fair point though I thought there were some differences at least

[astral haven]

ddg and bing results should be the same if you arent signed into either

[ashen spindle]

though there is a good chance ddg wont get gpt4 powered search results from bing so it could become better than ddg

[wheat plume]

TBF, A lot of times the DDG results are far better than what I get from Google, since google try to push ads and sponsored links above all else

[astral haven]

adblocking is kinda nescessary for google searching

but its still the same as the bing results

[thick elk]

I just did some comparisons mostly the same but I definitely like the ui of duckduckgo more

[ashen spindle]

if you dont use adblocker on the internet you kinda deserve seeing them

[wheat plume]

Adblock doesnt block these

[astral haven]

which is fair
but bing chat is an order of magnitude more powerful as a search engine

[ashen spindle]

yes it does lol

[wheat plume]

this type of shit

[ashen spindle]

havent seen google links that are ads or sponsored in years

[wheat plume]

ok, I take it back
DDG does it too

[thick elk]

What kind of half-baked adblocker are you using?

[ashen spindle]

these are like some of the easiest ads for adblockers to block lol

[wheat plume]

uBlock Origin

[astral haven]

youve got it set up wrong then

[ashen spindle]

ya

[wheat plume]

?

[astral haven]

thats what i use

[ashen spindle]

origin blocks these for me

[wheat plume]

wait nvm, I opened the tab in my Youtube window

lemme do it on my browser with Ublock

[thick elk]

Wait your youtube window has no adblocker?

[wheat plume]

Yeah, I got a trial of YT Premium that ends next month

once it runs out back to ad block

[thick elk]

Ah, why not both

[wheat plume]

cause why??

[ashen spindle]

why bother disabling it for that lol

[astral haven]

yt premium views still get counted when adblocker is working?

[wheat plume]

I only use this window for youtube, its an isolate page

Ice SSB is a great app to make websites into desktop apps

[thick elk]

Still, at least you block the million trackers youtube will use anyway

[ashen spindle]

that sounds like doing steps to have the same expeirencce in the end but w/e

[astral haven]

you can also just use the built in webapp button?

[wheat plume]

yeh but that puts a really ugly titlebar on the window

[wheat plume]

ice ssb makes it use the OS titlebar insteaad

[thick elk]

you do you I guess

[astral haven]

is that a linux issue?
sounds like a linux issue

[wheat plume]

I did this on Windows

reallyt ugly titlebar

[astral haven]

👀

[wheat plume]

Nice titlebar

That uses the OS window decorations

[astral haven]

so it is a linux issue

[wheat plume]

issue

Windows issue

[reef patrol]

skill issue.

[wheat plume]

I much prefer the look of it on Linux

[ashen spindle]

more like a non fullscreen issue lol

when watching a video I dont really care if the header bar has cocaine bears fighting or text glitches lol

[wheat plume]

I maximise the window unless im actively watching a video

then its fullscreen

[ashen spindle]

like if you care about layouts and all that when using windows for websites sure, I dont care but I can understand, I cant understand when its just a window for a video lol

[wheat plume]

Even better, since I am on Plasma desktop, I can find the titlebar if I want to

so I just have the website in the window and its super clean

give it a nice window border too

[ashen spindle]

like do you genuinely look at the titlebar when a video is playing

[wheat plume]

like I said, I fullscreen only when watching a video

if im browsing, its maximised

another added bonus, you can move and resize windows on Linux without needing the titlebar

[astral haven]

my problem with windows when moving without the titlebar is you cant snap any more

[reef patrol]

I disabled window snapping. Several apps just don't abide by it... like Spotify. Or chrome.

[astral haven]

since when doesnt chrome abide by it?

[reef patrol]

Every single time I open Chrome, the window is slightly offset to the right. so I have to move it back and snap it.

Spotify just completely ignores any resizing that involves a snap.

[astral haven]

ah
yea i always have my web browser open 24/7

[reef patrol]

I tend to shut down my PC at end of day 😄

[wheat plume]

same

[vagrant pagoda]

You can do that on Windows too

[astral haven]

not on mac ofc lel

[astral haven]

ah yea i just have nvidias tool that autoopens the windows where i need them to be

[wheat plume]

wait

how?

[vagrant pagoda]

I have my display cut up with display fusion. And windows never remembers sizes

[wheat plume]

third party software?

[vagrant pagoda]

If the program supports ut

It isnt a os thing

[astral haven]

alt space m should work on anything

and it is an os thing

[vagrant pagoda]

Vlc supports no title bar and rezie

[astral haven]

alt space s for size

then you hit an arrow key to select the side of the window you are manipulating

[wheat plume]

how moving and resizing windows without a titlebar on Linux works:

Hold down Windows Key + Left mouse + move the mouse around = Moves the window under your cursor

Hold down Windows Key + Right mouse + move the mouse around = Resizes the focused window based on whatever corner your cursor is closest to

[astral haven]

definetly more elegant

[wheat plume]

yes <3

its such muscle memory to me now and I love how fast it is

[wheat plume]

how?

[astral haven]

ill bet $20 thats not available in most distros and it is available in windows as a free program

[vagrant pagoda]

If the app supports it

[wheat plume]

🤢

Linux, it is OS level

[astral haven]

no it isnt

nothing is os level in linux

its de level

[wheat plume]

Its enabled on ALL Distros..but on Gnome desktop to make resizing work you need to enable a toggle in Gnome Tweaks app

but moving works right away

im sure the toggle can be done manually in GConf Editor but idk the path to it

[astral haven]

ffs my linux boxes dropped off of dns

[wheat plume]

huh?

[astral haven]

they arent advertising their hostnames any more

[wheat plume]

dafuq

what you do?

[astral haven]

i just left them on for a month

[wheat plume]

🤔

[astral haven]

oh it crashed
shows you how much i used it

updates yay

[wheat plume]

I love how there is an app to measure record RPM

you just lay the phone on the record deck and power it up and it spins and measures the speed

just seeing a phone going for a little spin is just funny to me

[astral haven]

oh for chrissakes

updates filled up the storage on my linux box

[wheat plume]

O.o

[astral haven]

win left works but win right doesnt

before i get completely stuck how do i clear up space is there a util?

[wheat plume]

filelight will tell you what is using the most storage and where

but as for deleting it, idk, maybe Stacer can

wait, are they headless boxes?

[astral haven]

yep

[wheat plume]

oh

then ignore my advice

unless stacer can be used via command line... lemme check

[astral haven]

i vnc into them

or at least i used to until today

[wheat plume]

https://www.linode.com/docs/guides/check-and-clean-linux-disk-space/

[astral haven]

yeet

[fickle ore]

time to boycott Herman Miller https://fortune.com/2023/04/18/pity-city-ceo-andi-owen-bonuses-millerknoll-hermanmiller-retail-office-furniture/

[astral haven]

chrissakes

[wheat plume]

wtf is this shit

oh, another OEM app that WIndows auto-installed .-.

The only HP thing I have is this monitor xd

and technically these headphones are HP

🤔 Task Manager shows me all this anyway, why would I need?

i do wanna know wtf is using 28% GPU though

[solemn remnant]

dogecoin miner

[rough osprey]

luckily I'm not rich enough to buy their stuff

[fickle ore]

What a piece of work she is

[solemn remnant]

huh, saw the video but missed that it's the company behind herman miller chairs

[wheat plume]

What a nasty piece of work she was

You almost quoted Portal 2 xd

True

[astral haven]

only got one choice when you are self employed lel

[wheat plume]

Guess what, it was the Omen Gaming Hub using 28% of GPU

🤦‍♀️

yes

indeed

[rough osprey]

where else you putting it

[true quest]

can't destroy what is already broken

[pure garnet]

God gives his most damaging oil to his most naughtiest landlords septic systems

[astral haven]

the ukrainians need our dji drones and our computer chips not our food waste

[empty wren]

Cuz they are douchebags

[pure garnet]

Lol you are all angry land lords

[astral haven]

lol as if we will ever own land

[empty wren]

Well it ain't landlord fault if someone cannot pay the bill

[pure garnet]

No one cares about land lords mate

Especially not your feelings

[astral haven]

if your land lord has to liquidate, it will go to a bank and a bank will mess you up

[pure garnet]

What the fuck are you talking about LMAO

[empty wren]

I think someone used their money to buy one of those small home Depot housing renting out their actual house for Airbnb so they can essentially live for free

[astral haven]

thats not legal btw

i mean unless your house was already mutifamily zoned

[pure garnet]

Tents aren't the problem

People not having homes is the issue

Gotta solve that before you can fix the tent problem

True

A makeshift unregulated house is better lol

[astral haven]

and apartments provide better homes than favelas

thats what homeless service centers are for

[pure garnet]

Homeless service centers and various resources like that helped my gf get a subsidized home back when she was homeless

[astral haven]

wouldnt be overburdened if they were properly funded

[pure garnet]

Indeed

[astral haven]

the center that i provide IT for (among many other places) houses their entire bed count every year more or less

sweet they are finally covid clear so i can head over to install computers lmao

[wheat plume]

Is there a way to download all the songs from your collection on Bandcamp at once in .FLAC format?

Or must I go through each one at a time?

[final flame]

No way that I know of

Just open a bunch of tabs at once and just cycle through them with shift tab

[wheat plume]

What are the chances my headphones can accurately represent all 3028kb/s of this song?

[solemn remnant]

idk but IDLES is great

[wheat plume]

Yes
Yes they fucking are

💜

This is the highest quality FLAC I own... Gosh damn

Wait nvm .

This is

I'm wrong again

Can't even hear it in full detail with these headphones

[final flame]

Depends

[wheat plume]

Fucking hell
My headphones have shit frequency range

15HZ - 25KHZ

[final flame]

Bruh

You can't even hear in that range

[wheat plume]

Wait

What?

[final flame]

Human hearing generally is limited to 20khz

There are some exceptions but yea

Generally gets worse the more you age

Below 20hz it's mostly feeling it, not hearing it

[wheat plume]

This range I found is a lie then

[astral haven]

what makes you think that?

[final flame]

The frequency range you're looking at is the capability of the driver to make any frequency in that range, not what you yourself can hear

[wheat plume]

Frequency Response: 10Hz-23kHz

[astral haven]

just because you cant hear it doesnt mean it cant produce it

[wheat plume]

Yeh
But this song is 98kHz
Xd

[final flame]

That's not how that works

44.1khz sample rate is 20-20k

For example

[wheat plume]

Oh

[astral haven]

technically 0-20k

[final flame]

And also the bitrate is in kilobytes not kilobits

Actually nvm

[astral haven]

but the thing is theres probably actually no meaningful data in the file beyond 20khz
now technically you can store extra data in the higher frequencies to dither the lower frequencies, slightly increasing your bit depth
but that actually literally gets thrown away by your dac which should have a low pass filter that doesnt let any sound with frequencies higher than 21khz through

[final flame]

The only reason why these formats support these high frequencies is for scientific use

[astral haven]

and for recording

with recording you often have very terrible low pass filters that let a ton of high frequency noise in, and your daw can remove that

[wheat plume]

Then what does this kb/s value mean?

[final flame]

Bit depth gives better dynamic range but that's not anywhere near as noticable compared to going from 320kbps mp3 to cd quality flac

That's the bitrate

[astral haven]

like literally the filesize of a second of audio

[final flame]

Yea

[wheat plume]

Ooh

[final flame]

You could perceive it as "detail" but not really

[astral haven]

also that highly depends on the mp3 encoder and the music
technically 320k mp3 can be pretty insanely good

[final flame]

Flac will compress stuff down to whatever bitrate will be suitable for that track, compared to wav which will keep everything the same 1400kbps

[wheat plume]

I thought FLAC was lossless?

[final flame]

It's still lossless in the end though

[wheat plume]

Oh

[astral haven]

its like zip except quite significantly better

and not at all the same
but you can perfectly reconstruct the input

[final flame]

Like if a track is mostly empty space or has very few instruments, there's just generally less data that needs to be sent

[wheat plume]

But compressing that out would be losing some data so not lossless?

[astral haven]

a single 1khz sine wave at max amplitude would still take 1400k for wav but probably would be sub 1kbps for flac

[astral haven]

no

compression digitally

[wheat plume]

Audio is really confusing....

[final flame]

This track has mostly just piano

390kbps

Still lossless

[wheat plume]

Hmmm

[final flame]

Compared to something that has a lot of electronic sounds and a lot more instruments with detail

[wheat plume]

O

I wonder why the beachland ballroom is 3054kb/s then
It's not got as much instruments as that song I'm sure

[final flame]

Bit depth and sample rate contribute to that

So for example this is normally about 800kbps for the 16bit 44.1 version

But at 96khz and 24bit there's more data

[astral haven]

modern recording equipment physically is incapable of 24 bits of precision, so often you have 2-4 bits per sample that are basically just noise
that noise is often present all the way from 0-half of max sample rate and that data gets stored as well

[wheat plume]

Idk wtf that means but fair enough

[astral haven]

basically imagine you have 2-4 bits per extra useless hz you record that is just added to the filesize

[wheat plume]

Hmmm ok

[astral haven]

so for 96khz you are recording 96-192 thousand useless bits per second that arent compressible but are also too quiet to be heard and far too quiet to be reproduced on normal audio equipment

[wheat plume]

Strange

[gusty kiln]

Even r2r dac only goes up to like 21 bits

[mild dome]

Quick question: to confirm are 32-bit DACs horse radish? Seeing those a lot now, but I have heard others state that the bit depth at that point really doesn't mean much

[astral haven]

R2r DACs are significantly worse bit depth wise

[gusty kiln]

16 bits are already enough

For pretty much all music

[astral haven]

supporting that data input is fine, they cant reproduce that much tho

[astral haven]

you do actually want your dac to be more than your music tho, playing 16bit audio on 24 bit or higher is highly recommended

[final flame]

it's like downscaling a image

[gusty kiln]

Mine is set to 32

Unless exclusive mode

[final flame]

the only thing to keep in mind is resampling artifacts that can happen with resampling

I reccomend keeping your dac at whatever the majority of your music is in and 32

[gusty kiln]

Qobuz have exclusive mode

So it's fine for me

[astral haven]

the biggest advantage is for volume control
the dac can only generate probably 15-18 bits of actual audible dynamic range, but if you have 32 bits you can theoretically decrease your volume down to 1/2^14 the original volume losslessly

[gusty kiln]

It actually changes the sample rate of my dac

[astral haven]

thats untrue for bit depth

[final flame]

.

[astral haven]

Yeah but that actually doesn't matter

"resampling" bit depth is just filling in the rest of the bits with 0s

It's if you change the sample rate that you actually need to mess with things

[wheat plume]

Why do I have a habit of starting a long conversation I have no ability to join in cause I have no knowledge of the topic?

[astral haven]

Changing sample rate poorly can have a ton of issues

[solemn remnant]

opportunity to learn tho

[wheat plume]

Yes

[astral haven]

What's the point in asking a question you already know the answer to?

[gusty kiln]

I forgot if tidal properly changes sample rate of your dac

[final flame]

it does I'm fairly sure

[gusty kiln]

I think Amazon doesn't

[final flame]

it has exclusive

tidal does

[gusty kiln]

and apple needs ios

Cool

[final flame]

android in general is a mess when it comes to resampling

[mild dome]

IRC you can mathematically reproduce any sound perfectly in human hearing with 20KHz sample rate. When designing the CD though they decided to pick 40KHz just to be safe. Now we are getting sample rates going up to nearly 400KHz. Was there really any point with such high Sampling rates, besides maybe preserving high frequencies if you wanted to slow a sound down a lot?

[gusty kiln]

If it wasn't for the fact you need an iOS device, Apple music would be the best service

[astral haven]

Yeah android always resamples regardless of what you do without root or custom playing app

[final flame]

the only player I think is able to do bit perfect playback on android is uapp afaik

[gusty kiln]

What about USB audio player pro

[final flame]

that's uapp

[wheat plume]

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.apple.android.music

[gusty kiln]

?

[final flame]

uapp is usb audio player pro

[gusty kiln]

I know

[wheat plume]

You still need an Apple device?

[gusty kiln]

I posted my message like a second after you did

Yeah

[wheat plume]

For?

[astral haven]

Nope
You require 1 sample per half wave to perfectly reproduce a specific frequency
And due to some special math you can always produce any combination of lower frequencies as long as you have 2 samples per cycle of your highest frequency (see Nyquist sampling theorem)

[gusty kiln]

To actually play alac

[wheat plume]

Hmmm

[gusty kiln]

I think it just plays AAC on Android

[final flame]

https://tenor.com/view/megamind-mp3-flac-music-community-misconceptions-gif-22294890

[wheat plume]

My earbuds can only support AAC
😿

[astral haven]

Mixing up a few things
aac is a Bluetooth codec
Alac is apples flac+drm

[final flame]

no? aac audio is a normal codec too

[wheat plume]

And only 44

[gusty kiln]

yeah lossless is useless for every apple headphones

[solemn remnant]

https://www.iso.org/standard/43345.html bluetooth whatnow?

[astral haven]

So it is
But it's not an android limitation or whatever

[final flame]

well apple makes it one

[gusty kiln]

yeah

[astral haven]

Did they also do that for the app itself? Or just the headphones?

[final flame]

app

[gusty kiln]

apple music will only play lossless on apple devices

[astral haven]

Fun

[gusty kiln]

but it doesn't even change sample rate on Mac, only iOS

[final flame]

the headphones may have something but that's just due to poor implementation of aac on android

[wheat plume]

Maybe I shouldn't change settings if idk what they do

[astral haven]

No they also have a lossless codec in progress for their BT stuff

But as of now only aac (and sbc ofc) is available for android

[gusty kiln]

yeah

[wheat plume]

You mean in apple music?

[astral haven]

No in general with their BT devices

[wheat plume]

Some wireless earbuds support ldac

[astral haven]

There is no way to currently get lossless audio into any of the apple Bluetooth earbuds

[wheat plume]

Oh

Apple bt

[astral haven]

Sony standard, also not lossless

[gusty kiln]

I bet that is one of the reason why YouTube music haven't jumped on the lossless train yet

[astral haven]

But significantly better than aac

[final flame]

apple devices won't support it, Sony makes money with every device that has it

[astral haven]

Nope

[wheat plume]

Android devices support ldac natively

If your earbuds can

[astral haven]

Sony only gets paid for the receiving devices

Windows is also working on ldac support
With Qualcomm joining Sony in making aptx free to transmit

[mild dome]

Gonna release my new earbuds with a hip new SUPER LOSSY codec
All music you listen to sounds like it's passing through a tin wire

[wheat plume]

This reminded me of a song

[astral haven]

Satin based Bluetooth audio
Has 1000:1 error correction and stays connected for half a mile

[wheat plume]

I read that as Satan...lol

Satan based Bluetooth

[final flame]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTpt-_ryvm4

[mild dome]

Satellite enabled headset
Your phone beams the signal to a satellite, and then the Satellite beams it back down

[final flame]

this song is pretty cool

[astral haven]

Satin is actually low enough bitrate to work with that

[wheat plume]

Oo

[astral haven]

It produces 16-16khz with approximately 10 bits of dynamic range in something like 32kbps (without ecc) 64k 60% loss tolerant

Or was it 75% loss

[final flame]

also anybody elses browser creating so few results

[gusty kiln]

same

[wheat plume]

I need to look up what "High" quality is on YouTube Music

[gusty kiln]

server prob taking a shit

[final flame]

ok cool, thought I was the only one

[gusty kiln]

high is 256kbps AAC

[wheat plume]

32kb/s

That's way less than even my mp3 files

[gusty kiln]

do you even have a dac yet?

desktop one

[wheat plume]

No

[final flame]

still better than the 128kbps that soundcloud does

[gusty kiln]

kek

[wheat plume]

Didn't SoundCloud claim to be the best sounding free service?

[final flame]

Jacona should take a listen

[gusty kiln]

256 AAC looks pretty close to FLAC, at least on the spectrogram

[final flame]

idk why but this song is just cool

[astral haven]

Yt music isn't free lol

[wheat plume]

It is possible to use it for free

Maybe not so much the mobile app though

[final flame]

youtube music vanced was a thing

[astral haven]

It's still a thing

[final flame]

but the quality is still limited

[wheat plume]

It's not

Revanced popped up recently

But it's not the same
Less features

[gusty kiln]

sounds like schizophrenia @final flame

[solemn remnant]

reminds me of worlds end girlfriend

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfG_G2O2q40

[astral haven]

Here is all the vancable applications now

[gusty kiln]

lots of different melodies back to back

[wheat plume]

What's this

[astral haven]

Name one

[solemn remnant]

kinda funny that I made the connection, haven't listened to this in 10 years

[astral haven]

Revanced manager

[wheat plume]

Need root?

[astral haven]

Nope

Samsung user here remember lel

[wheat plume]

O.o

You can't root Samsung?!

Oh right
Knox

[astral haven]

Ye not without losing a ton of features

[wheat plume]

Do they do an Apple and softlock cameras and shit?

[gusty kiln]

@wheat plume seems like a nice cheap option
https://amz.run/6bw5

[final flame]

topping can be kinda meh

[gusty kiln]

but at that price range, eh

[astral haven]

Get separate units

[wheat plume]

What cables are needed?

[gusty kiln]

just usb

[wheat plume]

Aha

[gusty kiln]

separate units would be usb and a set of rcas

[astral haven]

avanna
buy a cx31993 please
if you really want a fancy one get a cs43131

[gusty kiln]

but muh knob

[wheat plume]

powerful output in a small hummingbird size
Xddd

[astral haven]

you can get a dedicated amplifier later if needed

but you dont have to compromise for one with a built in dac

[wheat plume]

Hmmm

[gusty kiln]

https://preview.redd.it/md5sqyfy2jua1.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&v=enabled&s=c266d578c5883bc62d81c2f4451564993bc8dbf5

[final flame]

fiio side easily

[gusty kiln]

probably same

[severe phoenix]

https://tenor.com/view/treebeard-talking-tree-gif-11844508

[tribal dirge]

280mW!!?? that’s child’s play.

[final flame]

anytime someone says muh I can't help but think of this clip
https://youtu.be/CIj49_mqcMs?t=912

[solemn remnant]

was about to go to sleep but this sent me down a rabbit hole of the memory lane

[gusty kiln]

well yeah, it's only 100 as a dac+amp

[tribal dirge]

Try more like 2.5 watts

[gusty kiln]

kekeke, good ole days of abridges

[wheat plume]

This shit better than the actual anime

[astral haven]

i too like blowing up my headphones

[severe phoenix]

It is

Asuna in Abridged is far more attractive

😛

[wheat plume]

THIS IS THE DEEPEST YOU'LL EVER BE IN A WOMAN
She says after he stabs her with a sword

[tribal dirge]

I have home theater amps and a cursed ass headphone plug that has exposed wires so I can plug it straight into the speaker output of my home theater amp.

[final flame]

haha suck it rosalia
||meanwhile fucking asuna||

[severe phoenix]

WHO THE FUCK IS ROSALIA

[wheat plume]

[severe phoenix]

lol

Good scene

[tribal dirge]

I also have the same cursed thing with XLR and the big boi headphone plug too.

[wheat plume]

The red hair bitch

[astral haven]

Home theater?
get that surplus commercial sound system equipment stuff

[severe phoenix]

Avanna

That's part of the scene

[wheat plume]

Yes

[severe phoenix]

Kirito is going onto Asuna

He says "Suck it Rosalia"

[wheat plume]

Yes

[severe phoenix]

because he's actually getting relayed

[gusty kiln]

you have a passive attenuator or volume control on the DAC?

[tribal dirge]

“Home theater” in an enthusiast sense, it’s all industry equipment. Lmao

[severe phoenix]

Asuna is like "who the fuck is Rosalia"

[wheat plume]

:') oh

[final flame]

https://youtu.be/hWozHt9wbO4?t=916

Avanna here

[tribal dirge]

The setup in total came to like 70k usd

[astral haven]

most good amps have a preamp built in (preamp is the official name for a volume knob)

[astral haven]

weak
get serious amps for $10 on surplus sites

[gusty kiln]

I was assuming he had monoblocks

[wheat plume]

HAH

[tribal dirge]

32 channels, 64 outputs. 12000 watts total output.

[gusty kiln]

scare your neighbors with mini earthquakes

[final flame]

time to get 30pa speakers

[tribal dirge]

10 of the 64 outputs are all for subwoofers.

I bought them brand new

[gusty kiln]

https://www.svsound.com/products/sb16-ultra

1 at each corner of the room

[astral haven]

exactly!

where i live theres plenty of better options than that

you just gotta look

exactly!

[vagrant pagoda]

yeah

[tribal dirge]

Also it uses a wacky ass connector to receive power, you can’t plug it straight into the mains.

[vagrant pagoda]

all mine is like that

[astral haven]

our local auctions are alot smaller since we are alot less important place

[tribal dirge]

So I had to require my house to be able to power the damn thing.

Oh and to buy and 1000 amp breaker.

[gusty kiln]

I remember emotiva having a speaker amp with a jumper inside to run full power to the headphone out

[astral haven]

basx a100 ye

[gusty kiln]

zeos was memeing the fostex stuff so hard with that

[astral haven]

100 not 1000 lmao

[mild dome]

I have heard suggestions to get a Subwoofer to pair with headphones as a way to supplement the deep bass

[tribal dirge]

Nope, it’s a 1000 amp circuit breaker. It costed 3k for just one.

[gusty kiln]

[astral haven]

why tf would you put in a 1kamp breaker?

thats literally 10x your load

[gusty kiln]

fancy train sets and stamp collections

[mild dome]

To break amps of course

[tribal dirge]

The system can draw a peak amperage of up to 800-900 amps.

[astral haven]

uh what lmao

[gusty kiln]

5 figures easily

[astral haven]

datasheets plx

[tribal dirge]

Wanna know why? Because I couldn’t have just bought one, I bought a few

[astral haven]

specs pls

its probably not easy to get 1kamp residential service

[tribal dirge]

It was a Sonic electronix NVX XAD17, I have 5 of these for the subs.

13500W RMS each

[gusty kiln]

https://www.rtings.com/monitor/reviews/dell/alienware-aw2524h

500hz tested

[astral haven]

1kamp is 250kw...

also these arent ac, what do you have as your power supply for these?

[tribal dirge]

Then I have a homeade one for all the mids speakers, those draw about 1000 watts for each channel, and there are 64 of them. (60 of which are being used)

[tribal dirge]

I have a full bridge circuit that I made myself that powers them.

Gotta love rectifiers

[astral haven]

thats even more fire hazard than im willing to go lmao

[tribal dirge]

Don’t worry, I’ve made Tesla coils that make white hot arcs that you can touch.

Because the frequency is so high that it doesn’t affect your nervous system at all.

So it just burns

[astral haven]

yes but how tf did you get 1000 amp service

[vagrant pagoda]

l;mao

youd never have 1000a

youget getting higher voltage

or 3phase

or both

[astral haven]

or did you just put 1000 amp circuit breakers on the dc side of your homebuilt psu

[tribal dirge]

Shhhhh, I may or may not have registered a business that allows me to get a high voltage line to my house

[astral haven]

yea no

[gusty kiln]

[astral haven]

i dont believe you any more

[vagrant pagoda]

the poles ijn a nieghthood dont ahve that headroom

[astral haven]

pics pls

[vagrant pagoda]

youre lucky if they will give a single home dual 250s these days

unless in your a new area

[astral haven]

i could believe it if you were janking a 1000 amp breaker on the 12v dc side
but if you want me to believe that you are talking on the ac side theres absolutely no way

[vagrant pagoda]

a 1000a dc breaker would be massive

[astral haven]

for 12v? nah

[vagrant pagoda]

breaking 1000a of dc would be insane

[tribal dirge]

Honestly a fuse would have been more economical.

[astral haven]

pics or it didnt happen fam

[vagrant pagoda]

even a fuse

[astral haven]

1kamp fuses are insanely huge

[vagrant pagoda]

a 1000a ac breaker is the size of your hand, a 1000a dc breaker is the size of your face

[astral haven]

again depends on the voltage

a 600vac breaker can probably do 12vdc only derated about half

[vagrant pagoda]

dc breakers are bigger unless they are justr a thermal

[astral haven]

again depends

for the same voltage definetly

[vagrant pagoda]

yeah

but even 30-40v can draw a few inch arc after its started

[astral haven]

again tho these amps are 12vdc and a circuit breaker would be 600vac

[vagrant pagoda]

yeah 1000a 12v would be a really really odd setup lol

for a fuse/fusible link sure