🔌│tech

[fickle ore]

google

[cursive summit]

If marketshare was an indication as to how good cards are, surely Nvidia at this point would control 100% of it

They are so much "better" right

Ms does not matter, I don't believe

[ashen spindle]

???

[fickle ore]

?? Marketshare is an indicator how good the cards are and public perception of said company??

[ashen spindle]

they need marketshare or their next products have instantly less mindshare or known value so people are less likely to buy the more expensive ones

[cursive summit]

So if NV controls 70% of ms, just stop buying AMD or Intel?

Clearly it's the superior company

[ashen spindle]

what

the point is the average person will only look at nvidia because thats what most use and is all they know

amd some people know and might even try

most wont have a clue that intel now makes gpus too

so why look for them when shopping

[cursive summit]

Not like that will change

Intel isn't getting marketshare until the stories of shite drivers are fixed

[fickle ore]

Why do you think AMD failed to grab ms% even if their cards were good at some point?

[cursive summit]

Things don't work well or at all

[cursive summit]

Not as good as NV in professional applications or all they care for is Nvidia cause it works

[fickle ore]

Exactly that and price. The reasons AMD has lost a lot of MS%

[cursive summit]

Also the bad stories still haunt AMD from years ago

Which have 0 substance nowadays

Intel will be haunted with shit drivers until battlemage

[fickle ore]

I mean you only have to look at the 7xxx series release with their wattage bug on multiple monitor setup

Those are hugely important

[ashen spindle]

yes but at least people know intel does gpus now and at the next upgrade they might at least think about it

[fickle ore]

AMD just bad

[cursive summit]

Wattage bug is a hoax

[fickle ore]

lol

[cursive summit]

Been fixed or people didn't even have one to begin with

[fickle ore]

It gathered so much press, it doesnt matter if it was a hoax

AMD fails on release, thats the issue

[cursive summit]

Intel totally didn't?

[fickle ore]

Every freaking Zen launch, multiple bios/microcode issues

[cursive summit]

Intel had far more negative press with Arc than NV or AMD

[fickle ore]

Intel has smooth releases

[final flame]

Don't be a shill
Follow what's good

[cursive summit]

HAH

Intel Arc is a smooth release now

[fickle ore]

Arc sucked, I even said that

[cursive summit]

Let's not forget about Specter now

[fickle ore]

the problem with amd is they seem to suck into perpetuity

[cursive summit]

Lost like 10% of perf just to mitigate the vulnerability

11th gen sucked just cause of specter, absolutely dead generation

[fickle ore]

Doesn't mean I won't buy and AMD gpu tho, and I will

I'd just want them to suck less so they'd compete with nvda

[cursive summit]

All companies have shit launches and problems

[fickle ore]

Cuz at this pace Intel will pass them in 1-2 gens

[cursive summit]

AMD is nowhere near as bad as you make them out to be

[fickle ore]

Well Ive been following ATI/AMD for decades now and they're just stuck

[cursive summit]

Tbf, I hope they do now that Raja left

AMD had their second wind after Raja fucked off

[ashen spindle]

you do know rdna2 was still based on raja and battlemage is basically entirely raja?

[cursive summit]

Sources on rdna2 being a raja thing

[ashen spindle]

public face at launch time does not relate to what they do at the company lol

you dont work on the gpu that gets launched and dont touch the next 3 generations by that point already

zen 5 was in the pipeline stages when zen1 came out

gpus are similar in design times

[cursive summit]

Last I remember RDNA1 was different as to how it was intended to be

They wanted to rewrite the whole thing from the official plan but couldn't in time, so it was a half baked hybrid mess

[ashen spindle]

remember jim kellers stint at intel? we still havent seen the cores that were in main development phase during his time there

[cursive summit]

Don't think Raja had input on that

[cursive summit]

Keller's tenure was 2018-2020, Rocket should be part of his work

[ashen spindle]

rocket lake??? man that was long done before

if he did have major input on a core desing it would be on lunar cove

and lion cove probably

[cursive summit]

He was a senior VP, I doubt he had much technical input on anything

Seems he was more on the overall company watch

[ashen spindle]

not saying he wrote RTL himself but those were the cores in main development so any changes to how stuff should be done based on his changes would affect those

so similarly battlemage is basically entirely raja even if he's leaving now a year before launch

[wintry grail]

Oh god

[final flame]

Ew

[ashen spindle]

still think its an april fools

but one that is used to gauge actual interrest like most companies do it nowadays

also the other point, even if lets say intel catches up to power efficency and price by reducing silicon to amd with battlemage @fickle ore

then they still are 1-2Q before next gen launch of amd

and still only catch up to midrange

even if amd cant beat the 4090class cards, if intel can only get to 3070, there is enough room for amd xD

[fickle ore]

That's fine. I'm looking at when they can selfproduce their silicones and their IFS gets running on low node size

[ashen spindle]

I mean then you are looking so far in the future, amd might have better raytracing than nvidia at that point lmfao

[fickle ore]

AMD is fabless

[ashen spindle]

and seeing how intels 10nm was, that was a good thing for them xD

[fickle ore]

But for now, yeah, battlemage will be interesting and even more interesting when AMD launches 8XXX to see whether we can get into price wars to get really performant low/mid gen

[ashen spindle]

and keep in mind we still havent seen the next node that isnt intels 10nm work for them yet, meteor lake is the first Intel 4 chip that matters we will see

[fickle ore]

Then Intel will release next gen in the following year which, I hope, beats 8xxx. So it's a matter of perspective and time. And good for consumer if there are gen-on-gen releases semi annually

[fickle ore]

Yeah

[ashen spindle]

see here is the thing, you say beat, but currently it only ties the mid range a year after that launched

so they need to be a year earlier, make it work not midrange but high end, and reduce silicon usage at the same time

basically it needs to be better in every aspect lol

since they cant make it a money sink forever

[fickle ore]

At this rate, they can for longer than AMD ;P

looking at their cash balance / debt

[ashen spindle]

except they cant

they can for cpu side if its fabbed on their own nodes which is what they are doing currently

[fickle ore]

Why cant they on gpus?

[ashen spindle]

because its not fabbed on intel nodes

so they dont have lower overhead costs they can ignore, they need to pay more than amd does for the same wafers

this is their free cash flow for the last decade lol

[fickle ore]

Well as I see it, it ultimately comes down to how much they want it and whether they want to gain mindshare

[ashen spindle]

ofc just one number and all

[fickle ore]

That is including the 5% dividends

[ashen spindle]

but even if they do it again for battlemage, they cant still do it for celestial when their cpu side is also getting rammed by amd

[fickle ore]

Probss

I can't remember when they will release the first thing made at their new node

[ashen spindle]

meteor lake

end of this year

[fickle ore]

Oh nice

[ashen spindle]

but unclear if that is laptop only and desktop maybe not at all

mtl-s might be canned or changed

aka tiger lake where they couldnt skale it up and had to do a rocket lake

[final flame]

Man Intel's naming scheme is weird

What's next Piss Lake

[final flame]

We already had coffee lake

[ashen spindle]

yes that is a real lake

cope lake, not coffee

[fickle ore]

@ashen spindle Anyway intel has 28.34B in cash rn lol

got some $$ to spend

[ashen spindle]

meteor lake also is a real lake

yeah but how much of that is for AXG

they have more than amd but also more areas they work in

fabs need money to be spun up

but yeah, MTL-S might not come but only Arrow lake in 2024, which would put it closer to zen5 release for desktop again

in servers they are still fucked, FHF or SPR-WS might not even be enough to get amd to launch zen4 threadripper lol

[magic oracle]

Just found out the Wooting One/Two are discontinued. Guess it's time to retire my W.T., clean and box it up.

[crimson wigeon]

I'll keep using mine until it kicks the bucket

[magic oracle]

Anyone have a good tutorial on pulling the Flaretech* Optical switches apart for cleaning/lubing?

[magic oracle]

I have an unhealthy keyboard/mouse obsession. 🤷‍♂️ New keyboard ordered.

[ashen spindle]

well the optical ones are flaretech not lekker switches idk if there is a video someone made about lubing it

@reef patrol might have one if there is one, I just know of the one for the lekker switches

[magic oracle]

Ahh.... you're right. 😔🌴

[crimson wigeon]

Just wedge something nicely under the 4 tabs that keep it together and it pops apart

[crisp granite]

there's a wonderfully detailed guide on the matter written by a former member

can link it here assuming the channel it was in still exists

[crisp granite]

...awesome

didn't think the archived helpdesk would be hidden

that's what I linked

[pale sigil]

It's not

Oh

[crisp granite]

then why can ngh not access it?

[pale sigil]

It is now

@reef patrol?

Did you disable it?

[crisp granite]

I don't have access to the settings for that channel, so I can't correct that

MANSEN

[pale sigil]

I left it public so people can go back to it for old stuff.

[reef patrol]

The what now?

[crisp granite]

the old helpdesk

seems to be that not everyone can view it

and considering it had some genuinely useful old posts, seems like a waste

[reef patrol]

the-what

[crisp granite]

#archived_helpdesk_for_keyboards

this

seems not everyone can access

[reef patrol]

Oh a CHANNEL. Yes of course it's hidden at this point. Old information isn't always good information.

[cursive summit]

WE KNEW IT

They came back last year to hint their return

They are back

https://www.dsogaming.com/news/3dfx-re-enters-the-gpu-market-shows-off-an-rtx4090-killer-with-30gb-of-vram-at-1000/

3dfx is back baby

Nvidia is done for

[crisp granite]

ok, it would all be perfectly believable if not for claiming a 4090 killer

[cursive summit]

Wtf do you mean

3dfx were and always will be nvidia killers

[crisp granite]

making something that can perform 2060 levels is child's play for a competent team

but a 4090 killer is out of reach

especially for a return to GPUs after...20 years?

[cursive summit]

It's easy af to beat a 4090

Take a 3dfx Fusion

Multiply by 100

Slap them all in SLI or Crossfire

100x 3dfx Fusions > 4090

Prolly still consumes less power than the novideo card

[sharp badger]

What is up with that plastic edge though, personally prefer Stitched edges 😅 (Ah nvm i see that it's the Glass pad now 🤦‍♂️ )

[empty wren]

Looks very good

[reef patrol]

So you can't use that corner. Brilliant.

[old marlin]

?

wdym

oh because of the logo

[sharp badger]

Have you got a sleeve?

[old marlin]

it's tempered glass

it won't chip

[reef patrol]

I mean...

[old marlin]

it will either explode

or stay in one piece

or did you mean the logo

but that goes for any glass pad

with a few exceptions

not aware of an exception that doesn't suck though

[reef patrol]

My ancient icemat has a matte sanding on it. So if you were to apply brown soap to the underside and let it sit for a couple of days, you could repaint it... or glue artwork to the underside.

[empty wren]

Probably has a duck on it

[old marlin]

you could do the same here?

or with a skypad

[sharp badger]

The problem with glass pads are that ones arm sticks to the pad for some people

[old marlin]

the oleophobic coating should last stupid long

[reef patrol]

The finish looks opaque.

And sanded?

[old marlin]

it look opaque because it has black backing on it

same with a skypad

that is just black backing

[reef patrol]

Ah gotcha. Yeah Skypads are basically just knockoff Icemats.

Soapy tiem 😄

[old marlin]

"knockoff icemats"

only like

not omega rough

[reef patrol]

Skypads are also apparently a LOT bigger.

My icemat is smol

[old marlin]

yea

well

depends on size lol

but the icemat is tiny

you can get that at over 400x400

idk not mine

[reef patrol]

At any rate mine was retired years ago. It's a wall piece now

[old marlin]

I only recently switched to a razer mouse lol

trying to think what I used before the sl12

I think some nda mouse

[sharp badger]

Using a X-Raypad Aqua Control 2 and quite happy with that

[old marlin]

well. for mice at least

because they are the one large company that is actually improving stuff at more than a snails pace

[marsh glade]

I was using a Skypad for a while and appreciated its durability

But the comfort of a cloth mousepad is better

[old marlin]

yea unless you use hard skates like glass or sapphire it should last long

and obv no bad tempered glass lottery

and if it is actually flat

skypad likes to not help you out in case it isn't

[marsh glade]

I mean I didn't pay for mine so I can't really complain if it's not perfect

[old marlin]

I mean that goes for basically any glass pad

I would also not recommend hard skates for hard pads in general

[cursive summit]

https://mobile.twitter.com/aakashg0/status/1641976925064245249

Aakash Gupta 🚀 Product Growth Guy (@aakashg0)

6. Misinformation is highly down-ranked

Anything that is categorized as misinformation gets the rug pulled out from under it.

Surprisingly, so are posts about Ukraine.

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2063

Retweets

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Twitter · Apr 1, 2023, 1:33 AM

Hmmm, so Twitter is taking this stance

[ashen spindle]

dont trust people posting random code snippets that dont actualyl confirm what they say about it

it labels it, says nothing about what happens with the label

[thick elk]

Also what exactly applies to the label.

[ashen spindle]

lots of the code parts have options that can be applied so even with the open code we dont fully know how everything works

[thick elk]

I am pretty sure programmers have the most nuance in their variable names...

[cursive summit]

Elon likes communism

Why wouldn't you work in gulag twitter/tesla for free

[reef patrol]

To be fair the code is public

[ashen spindle]

yes

doesnt mean people dont just lie or misread the code and post about it

[reef patrol]

I'm more worried about the following talking about how trying to speak with people outside of your "circles" seems to be heavily punished.

This would imply that Twitter's algorithm is actively trying to do echo chambers.

[ashen spindle]

there are parts that impact settings based on the values set for stuff

but that never shows the values

because those are manualyl added

so it could make stuff positive or negative

or just track it

[reef patrol]

At any rate nothing I can do about any of it - I'll wait for the programmers to deep dive and dissect the code with conclusions 😄

[old marlin]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvnzE-IzVF0

what happened with the E1-NS

[gusty kiln]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vV8ySnAtaSA

[hexed trellis]

hey, i just changed my cpu to ryzen 5800x3d, but now my TPM isnt working. i googled and tried so many things but nothing gets it back to working... anyone can help with that?

[ashen spindle]

just keep it off? what do you use it for

[hexed trellis]

valorant need its when using win11

[ashen spindle]

is it active in bios?

[hexed trellis]

sure

[ashen spindle]

hmm reset bios and set it active then perhaps

[hexed trellis]

did that

[ashen spindle]

hmm

[hexed trellis]

very strange...

[ashen spindle]

does hwinfo or so see it as active?

maybe valorant needs a reinstall or so

[hexed trellis]

now i think to reinstall windows... but i dont want to

[ashen spindle]

hehe yeah its annoying but might be the fix

[hexed trellis]

hwinfo idk i check now. valo i reinstalled allready

where u find that in hwinfo?

[ashen spindle]

open the entire thing and not just the sensors and it should show it iirc

[hexed trellis]

i installed just the sensors i thionk

[ashen spindle]

nah it shows all you just on start need to not check the box that only shows sensors

[thick elk]

Imagine the battery required to power a 4090 + i9 for 3 days

At that point you'd need an entire powerplant

[ashen spindle]

uncheck that on start

[hexed trellis]

i dopnt get that anymore

ah found it

should be fine, i just dont get it...

[ashen spindle]

seems like a valorant issue then if tpm is active

[hexed trellis]

reinstalled valorant and anticheat already

so well then i prepair for windows reinstallation... thats fucks me up..

[ashen spindle]

well I more meant see if valorant discords or forums know about it since from the hardware side it is active

[hexed trellis]

well thats a good point

[chrome estuary]

i hate that

[crisp granite]

I unironically want that now

GPUs need good vibes too

[green shard]

While I was waiting for my woot, I decided to pull out my old drop ctrl and mod it.
Things I’ve done:

1. strip the old silver anodizing
2. prime and paint for a black metallic look (to much glitter look but it’s okay)
3. semi gloss clear coat finish
4. installed stupidfish case and plate foam

Things to do:

1. wait till Monday for KL Gecko (I like silent switches 🤷🏻‍♂️)
2. lube switches and installed switch film
3. holy mod stabs
4. wait for gmk boho keycaps 🕰️💀

Gonna stop using my kbd67 when my woot comes in. But I’ll have to find sometime to use this keeb once it’s done.

[green shard]

Thanks 😊

[empty wren]

https://www.android.com/better-together/nearby-share-app/

Good to see this

[halcyon moss]

Indeed

[stable ravine]

<@&375234916776017933> when will there be a wooting mouse. So we can have one unified hub to control the peripherals.

[spiral belfry]

2029? 😂

[reef patrol]

Please don't tag staff out of the blue (or at all preferably)

[stable ravine]

Okay sorry about that.

[reef patrol]

Oh joy.... YT's started to default me to use 480p quality.

[stable ravine]

But is there an answer to my question?

[reef patrol]

We have absolutely zero plans to hop into the mouse market. It is super saturated, and we don't have any tech that sets us apart.

[stable ravine]

All these Logitech, hyperX and Roccat softwares on my PC is quite annoying and I don't want to add wootility to the mix.

[reef patrol]

Well there's the good news - You don't need our software running.

Only need to open it to configure something - Which is why we have a browser version.

[cursive summit]

Oh shit, Nvidia announced another new card

Alongside 4050Ti, it's the 4660Ti

[severe phoenix]

Wooting 3, OLED display to configure it on the keyboard itself.

😛

[cursive summit]

So, copy the apex pro?

Wooting leaves copying for others

[frozen ingot]

wouldn't mind having a display that could display my settings while in-game or so

[cursive summit]

That'd just increase costs even more

Wooting costs a bit too much as it is

Add that whole OLED thing and it'll be like a 249$ product

[frozen ingot]

tbh I think its borderline underpriced compared to other brands

[severe phoenix]

Nah

You can get a solid Mechanical Keyboard with good switches and doublshot PBT for under 100$ these days

It's high priced, but that's how it it is when you're breaking into a market

[reef patrol]

That's not what you pay for exclusively though.

[severe phoenix]

Yeah

[frozen ingot]

you can't get wooting specs/features anywhere else, apex pro is closest but still not really there, and typically costs more

[frozen ingot]

and you can get this for like $50 or less in china these days

[severe phoenix]

Razer Analog Optical is like 139$, but razer is a billion dollar company

I heard it doesn't work as good as Wooting either

[frozen ingot]

yeah and their optical analog is pretty far from wootings capabilities

[ashen spindle]

yummy heatspreader cake

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34VbutE-Qss

[ashen spindle]

also damn, zen4 is impressive for mobile

that's including the powerdraw from the dGPU since you cant turn it off entirely so a few points higher in theory even

[thick elk]

I honestly suspect the viewer who send in that cpu cooked it himself

as the circumstances to get that to occur naturally are really specific.

you would basically need a short that heats up both cores and the io die, it should not be too hot as to leave burn marks and it should also not trip the psu

[old marlin]

it could have not reported temperature correctly

[shadow minnow]

Yeah temperature sensors can be bad at reliability

My ram has horrible ones

[old marlin]

eh

there are so many sensors on a cpu that it is more likely to be something else in the chain

[cursive summit]

And it's not apple so that's also a win

[thick elk]

The problem with bad sensors is that it would kill the cpu completely before it could even get the top of the substrate to the temperature required to melt the solder comfortably

Just saying considering how it's pretty much unheard of the simplest explanation is the guy who send it did it on purpose.

[shadow minnow]

I wouldn’t say either amd or apple or Intel are better

[cursive summit]

AMD is very much better in mobile

And honestly I'd say desktop

[shadow minnow]

In moral sense or performance?

[cursive summit]

Apple doesn't matter cause it's like 3x the price of a normal PC rig so nobody should ever consider that product

[cursive summit]

Performance, ofc

I don't hate on apple just to hate, I genuinely don't like their products or pricing

[shadow minnow]

Oh I mean as in why is it a win just because it’s not apple?

[cursive summit]

My opinion has changed on the iPad

I think since I was shopping on tablet it was either Samsung or Apple, I nearly went apple until I found a good deal on the S8U

It's a really well priced machine

iPods were cute, until they got canned

Those security tags are cute

[shadow minnow]

I know of someone who went the non apple route and really regretted it, ending up returning the tablet. And it was not an apple sheep

[cursive summit]

And that's.. about it?

[cursive summit]

Yes I know them as well

And I don't agree with what they said cause I don't like the 4:3 form factor of ipads

It's not a good form factor, imo

[shadow minnow]

Well it’s for artists

[cursive summit]

Apple's audio is well overrated (headphones and earbuds)

Phones are just not great, pricing is off

PCs are 50% overpriced of what they should be

[shadow minnow]

Pricing being off idk, it’s comparable to other flagships

Also if you look at laptops

And the price change

[cursive summit]

Apple doesn't really have any low end offerings either

[shadow minnow]

Everything else is going up while apple stays quite solid

[cursive summit]

Samsung has free reign there

[shadow minnow]

That is true

[cursive summit]

Maybe Xiaomi also fucks with them in low end

[shadow minnow]

I think they don’t want to go below a certain point

[cursive summit]

Apple's "low end" is 400$

When there are very capable phones at 250$

Also I did compare Apple's low end phones

i forgot what they are called

Apple SE?

And spec wise they are rather iffy

Well at least the last generation was, dunno about the current one

[shadow minnow]

Well many specs yes, soc not

Soc is amazing

[cursive summit]

I think it had the A14

And it's fine but the screen, size, battery etc was very eh

[shadow minnow]

At the time highest performance mobile soc

[shadow minnow]

Yeah can’t disagree with that

Though I don’t think the battery life was too bad

Due to good efficiency

Still wasn’t the best either

[cursive summit]

Maybe the A14 has good efficiency, yeah

But I'm with a cheap 200$ Poco and it fits the needs

Kinda really wanting to spoil myself with the Xperia 1 V when that releases

Those Xperias are so good

All in one package with no cut features, clean android and sleek form factor

3.5mm jack bby

[thick elk]

Also one of the few that still include a micro sd at the higher end

[shadow minnow]

My arduino has a 3.5mm Jack and is cheaper

[cursive summit]

I do not comprehend why expandable storage is a bad thing

[shadow minnow]

Because phone companies make less money

[cursive summit]

It's like they want you to buy the higher end more expensive phones... oh..

[shadow minnow]

That’s bad

We like companies making moneg

[thick elk]

Still I agree with using cheap Xiaomi phones are a good option.

[shadow minnow]

Companies deserve more money

Clearly

[cursive summit]

1 trillion dollar valuation not good enough

Make it 2

And then onwards to 300 trillion so Apple could buy out America

[thick elk]

Honestly it would be fine for me if phones started offering 500gb / 1tb storage at reasonable margins, just 256gb is too little for my music library, and I don't want to rely on streaming on the move.

[shadow minnow]

Isn’t it already?

Or did it go down

Shame

[cursive summit]

256gb is too little for music????

What on earth

How many tracks do you have

[shadow minnow]

200000000

Exactly

[cursive summit]

This is mine, although not up to date

[thick elk]

Well I am mostly too lazy to convert, but I have 9556 songs which totals around 36days of music

[cursive summit]

How on earth do you even remember how each of those 9556 songs sound

[reef patrol]

Some of us are just built differently.

[cursive summit]

I'm on 660 in my library and a good size of the catalog is neglected

[reef patrol]

I can recognize almost every single track in my library within a second.

[thick elk]

I listen to albums / discographies and alternate, listening to one song more than twice in a month is rare

I most certainly cannot recognize all, but a decent portion I recognize the artist rather fast

There is also some stuff in there I don't really listen to anymore but the majority of it I do

[cursive summit]

I can do that with my library easily

But there are songs which I have not listened to in a while

But expanding that by 15x? I will not listen to 95% of that playlist

[thick elk]

But yea some people just listen to music differently, my unit of music is an album , I don't really use playlist besides as a playback queue

Just wondering don't you ever get bored of hearing the same things over and over?
Because I would

[reef patrol]

I have about twice that on my NAS. Too lazy to convert it and put it into local.

Also a pain for mobile.

[thick elk]

I converted things before, now every so often I just plug my microsd into my server / nas and throw an updated library on there, I could automate that / do that from my phone but I am to lazy to automate

Anoher benefit of microsd, that being said It's not a hard requirement but definitely a big preference over converting everything to opus and actually having to bother setting things up to sync it all

[cursive summit]

Oh btw, that eSIM thing

I'm still with microSIM, is eSIM literally just no SIM card?

So, some kind of digital certificate to provide you with a phone number?

Cause those phone companies really believe you don't need any ports on your phone

[thick elk]

It's still a dedicated chip, just smaller and on the phone's pcb

[reef patrol]

This is basically what a simcard is these days.

Just some unique numbers to identify you. No reason why it can't be stored fully in memory instead.

[thick elk]

eSIM still uses a separate chip for security but really there is little reason to have a separate chip nowadays with memory and storage encryption.

[reef patrol]

Oh? I thought it was literally just the numbers you get from your ISP.

[cursive summit]

Ngl I am not at all intested anymore with all these phone "innovations"

A phone can do borderline anything a human would need nowadays

Cameras are good enough, screens are good enough, SoCs are good enough

Maybe work on permanent charge batteries or something like that? That'd be innovation

I read there is research into batteries that hold charge for borderline 100x more than normal batteries

[fickle ore]

This is why VR/AR will be the next big thing, nobody can think of anything to improve on most tech devices

[cursive summit]

VR is stagnant rn

Society just don't really want to adopt it

AR is even more stagnant

[fickle ore]

It is until it isn't

[frozen ingot]

battery tech/capacity will likely stay roughly where it is for a forseeable future

[cursive summit]

I do see AR being a massive thing in the job sector as an assisting technology

but less so in typical human lives

I don't see where VR can go to become more attractive to anybody

[fickle ore]

Until the thing happens that made smartphones cool

[cursive summit]

There isn't enough being done to entice someone to buy VR to begin with, or to dust their goggles off

[fickle ore]

Ye nobody does atm

[cursive summit]

AR I do see becoming very useful in the future

VR, no, not really

[ashen spindle]

yes because it will mix

[cursive summit]

AR's just better VR

[ashen spindle]

its easier to scan your room and do VR in it than put AR effects in it

[cursive summit]

A hybrid of the two? Yes please

[fickle ore]

I think it will need AI AR or full dive

I wanna live in fantasy AR world

Just turn all my colleagues into maids xD

[novel star]

How many keys can you hold with the wooting 60he?

[crimson wigeon]

As many as you can

[novel star]

:o

basically 10

alr

thx

[pale sigil]

I'm starting to understand why people care about weight in monitors

My wrist was exhausted playing competitive PvP

[ashen spindle]

????

[reef patrol]

[ashen spindle]

in monitors???

I assume you mean mice

[pale sigil]

Mice

Sorry haha

My brain is mashed more than normal rn

[crisp granite]

have you tried bodybuilding, or even regular exercise?

suddenly that 80 gram "behemoth" of a mouse won't actually feel heavy
because it isn't

[ashen spindle]

But that’s not even the main reason why people care xD

Fatigue sure but accuracy is the main thing

Body building ain’t beating physics xD

[crisp granite]

oh my god it's the free floating barrel thing over again

[ashen spindle]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[crisp granite]

except that's actually true and legitimate

lighter does not mean more accurate

[ashen spindle]

Less force needed means more control over it so the under/overshoots are smaller thus more accurate overall

[crisp granite]

that seems more a control issue than a weight issue tbh

[hexed beacon]

Does anyone know if Wooting is going to come out with a separate numpad you can buy in the future?

[misty saffron]

nope, nobody knows

[ashen spindle]

https://twitter.com/_wildc/status/1642552274097512449 massive thing lol

Wild_C (@_wildc)

MI300 APU Renders

-4 Active Interposer Dies (AID)
-6 Accelerator Compute Dies (XCD)
-3 Core Complex Dies (CCD)
-8 Stacks of HBM3
-SH5 Socket
-3D Stacking
-Total of 146B Transistors

Everything is based on real dimensions, except for the top dies

Twitter · Apr 2, 2023, 3:39 PM

[fair gull]

how do we know its cfexpress

[ashen spindle]

it is cfexpress upgraded to pcie4 and sold as expansion card

[fair gull]

ah

interesting. i thought theyd come up with some custom thing like the 360 hdd

unless that wasnt custom

i meant the connector from shell to xbox

i thought theyd pull that on the external storage as well

[ashen spindle]

Mr. dimm runs fast

not coming to consumer though

well servers in general, but r and u dimms have different layout with ddr5 so physically cant come to consumer

[shadow minnow]

That bandwidth needs graph is also uh

Very well labeled

It’s literally a single axis “graph”

[thick elk]

Well they are moving to QDR in these slides so there is that

[sharp badger]

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-advocates-ddr5-mrdimms-with-speeds-up-to-17600-mts But still very interesting

[ashen spindle]

the graph its fine since its an overview and visualization not an actual representation of the values

[pale sigil]

Not what she said

[thick elk]

The problem has been that memory bandwidth has not been catching up to cpu performance for some time now.
And latency has been stagnent

[sharp badger]

But 2030 is a few years away to get to Gen 3 😅

[thick elk]

It also stands to reason that ddr can't scale much further than the speeds in reach with ddr5, end of the day you can't just go get 10ghz chips

[old marlin]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-krqeIwtpo

base pulsar x2 sucks

also if linus talks about "it has to be the best" it should not be able to get away with a compx mcu

that barely gives any more info

and the extra info is in the logo on the thumb

[shadow minnow]

Yeah I feel like that title was accurate

It wasn’t that informative sure

[old marlin]

then the name would not help you either

like what

the topographical pattern is what rfp used for other collabs as well

just have their home adress on it

[shadow minnow]

Randomfrankp tbh is imo one of the people who takes money upfront and gets commissions from each purchase without disclosing it, some of his reviews seem too positive for everything

[old marlin]

basically the problem with him as a reviewer

too overall positive

barely says anything negative

btw for reference

the nk65 collab with him

also has that pattern on the back

[shadow minnow]

Yeah it makes it hard to judge a product, there may be negatives but frank if unlikely to tell them, learned that the hard way. Or well.

[old marlin]

and the deskmat

don't hate that one

but I don't use deskmats

any [product category] nerd would avoid that crap

[shadow minnow]

I kinda like the topology patterns even if they don’t make sense but I think the wrist rest one is too steep

[empty wren]

Omelet

[old marlin]

also not sure why the viper ultimate is in that vid as a comparison

and not the successor of it

[gusty kiln]

maybe price comparison

RVU often under 100

[old marlin]

very dependant on region

the gpx tends to be expensive in NA still

[gusty kiln]

in the US it has been 70

[old marlin]

it is much cheaper in eu

[fossil orchid]

I don't trust that the frank p man is competent

[shadow minnow]

The wan show this week was interesting

With the moral discussion about affiliate links

One thing I really like about ltt is how transparent they are about this ngl

[old marlin]

my main gripe with the mouse tbh is pulsar for me

the reg version x2 should just not be bought due to switch choice, they tend to fail

and the others cost more

and are all tied to people

[thick elk]

It's on the list of mice I would never try due to shape anyway so that makes things easy for me, as for mouse switches, those are replacable

[old marlin]

it should not be a problem

thye are not the first company to have problems with that specific switch

[fossil orchid]

I don't have any problems with the mouse it looks solid I just don't find the guy trustworthy

[old marlin]

just stop using gm 8.0s in wireless mice

[thick elk]

Fair enough

Same could be said about the mmb on my roccat burst pro's

[old marlin]

yes

[thick elk]

Though a different case, on the burst pro it's the style of construction that is bound to cause issues

[fossil orchid]

I wanna try an hsk but these shits are impossible to get a hold of

[old marlin]

wdym

[gusty kiln]

any leaks about what logitech is up to yet?

[thick elk]

mmb is a push button with a long stem, has a lot of room for sideways movement and when not properly constrained it mechanically wears down relatively fast.

[old marlin]

not really

dunno if yellowe gpx is out yet officially

nothing exciting about it, just a yellow gpx

there have been some "leaked" usb c shells, but those might just be a clone of the shape

logitech leaks are kinda rare

unless it is something that gets delayed a LOT like the g502x

they just take too much time

doesn;t help their products

logitech mice are just pure engineer boredom on the inside

with no advantage

[thick elk]

Logitech's development lab does make more than just gaming mice though

But in general they do operate like a larger / slower company

[old marlin]

yea obv

[astral haven]

You say that but they were rather early to using flexible PCBs
And their wireless standard is extremely hackable and interesting

[old marlin]

you mean the one thye don't use anymore

there is no use to flexible pcbs anyways

at least not with how complex their mice are

[astral haven]

What?
Thought the superlight still uses them for the side buttons?

[old marlin]

yea

but it has an endoskeleton

that makes it super complex

[astral haven]

🤷‍♂️ still flex PCBs are super cool
And the wireless engineering is also super cool

[old marlin]

while it is cool

it is detrimental to the product

doesn't achieve something a more elegant solution couldn't do

and the more elegant solution is what everybody else does

[astral haven]

What?

[old marlin]

just a more rigid shell

uses less materials

[astral haven]

???

[old marlin]

requires like 20 less screws

unironically

[astral haven]

That's not what the flex PCB is for?

[old marlin]

it is what they need for the flex pcb though

[astral haven]

No?

The flex PCB is an antenna, and holds the led and side buttons

[old marlin]

the flex pcb has no antenna

[astral haven]

It serves no structural purpose

[old marlin]

also other companies do all that

with no flex pcb

the problem is not even the flex pcb

it is the skeleton

[old marlin]

that entire black thing is useless

[astral haven]

I challenge you to get it to flex...

[old marlin]

what

not an issue for any good mouse

yet a much larger dav3 achieves the same weight

[astral haven]

The death adder i sold a few years back was significantly more flexible and wired...

[old marlin]

I'm not talking about one that is a few years old

I am talking about the current one

[astral haven]

Probs not the v3 but still had some flex

[old marlin]

have one in my hand rn

it does not

unless I press it with both hands

at which point wtf are you doing

[astral haven]

🤷 when I get stressed in games, i grip harder
Bad habit and it's awful for a billion reasons, but the Logitech doesn't move

Every other mouse I've gamed on does

[old marlin]

when you get stressed in games you start picking up your mouse and squeeze it as hard as possible with both hands?

[astral haven]

No I just apparently have more grip strength than you

[old marlin]

ok mr vice hands

[astral haven]

Even the zaunkoenig flexes when I get too tilted

[old marlin]

uhh yea

the only thing preventing the carbon fiber to flex is resin

[astral haven]

Neither gpw did tho

[old marlin]

and it has no internal ribbing

i'm not saying the gpx does lol

but if you cramp up enough to make the dav3 flex then your aim will be trash anyways

just killes all rom

[astral haven]

Point is you can rely on the Logitech for build quality, and the flexible pcb for buttons, led, and apparently not antenna? Leaves more space for structure

[old marlin]

the structure does nothing though

this is all it takes

that flex pcb in fron is the led

the clicks on it are good

not a wobbly mess like on the gpx

[astral haven]

What?

[old marlin]

definetley not the best

but neither is the gpx

[astral haven]

🤷‍♂️ would be shocked if razer managed to get clicks as positive on all 5 buttons as the gpx but i won't find out since you can't hack the razer to get around using synergy

Synapse not synergy

[old marlin]

and people tell me I'm a razer shill here

while you praise the wobbly gpx main clicks and shit side clicks

that I have heard critiqued by most gpx fanboys

[astral haven]

🤷 when I was in the market for a mouse, razers clicks were at the time hot trash

Maybe they've fixed things but I'm not buying until there's no Trojan included on the mouse

Logitech started including Trojans on their consumer stuff and it's made me very mad, but so far not on g products

[old marlin]

don't call ghub or synapse a trojan when dragon center and armoury crate exist

[gusty kiln]

Pulsar esport version should be interesting

[old marlin]

whenever it comes out

idk how anybody would trust pulsar after the "family and fiends edition"

[gusty kiln]

What happened

[old marlin]

they made a reviewer version of a mouse

basically golden samples

for reviewers

[gusty kiln]

Zowie exists if you don't want software

Ahhhh

170 for zowie though

[old marlin]

and the reg version was marketed with a guy that died 50 years ago

[old marlin]

also 2019 tech

wowee

[gusty kiln]

It's usable and great for true ec-2 fans

[old marlin]

when even the XE wireless is a good deal

[gusty kiln]

But I wouldn't buy it

[old marlin]

when "useable" is the bar for a mouse

[gusty kiln]

[old marlin]

that costs as much as that does

no

but handpicked units

[astral haven]

Those are at least disable able in bios

[old marlin]

in a pelican case and everything

[old marlin]

yea but you legit need remote support

to uninstall armoury crate

also you can disable the automatic installation bs in windows

[astral haven]

Also afaik no ghub Trojan yet, just Logitech options

[old marlin]

what trojan do you mean then

[astral haven]

Not inside the windows installer
I got the popup right after accepting the windows tos once when I accidentally had my Razer keyboard plugged in

[old marlin]

and?

just ignore

only reason why logitech doesn't do is is because they know ghub is so buggy it can leave your devices not functioning properly

so they provide omm

likely never

[astral haven]

Ikr

[old marlin]

but I also don't trust any random company to make a good mouse

that includes wooting

that is if they made one to begin with

make a tkl first please

[gusty kiln]

I'm interested in the vaxee xe, anyone know how or compares to the viper shape?

I want a wooting numpad

[old marlin]

both just a different take on an fk-ish mouse

[gusty kiln]

Ah

Hmm looking at it, it'll be a side grade mostly

[thick elk]

I would prefer tkl but would be fine with 75%

[old marlin]

no

[gusty kiln]

80% is tkl

[old marlin]

i love arbitrary percentages

[gusty kiln]

75% is the current hotness in keyboard

[old marlin]

what is 78 now

how is that 78

[thick elk]

hearing 80% for tkl is pretty rare

[old marlin]

yea basically nobody calls it that

even 87 is more common

even if it is not 87 keys in all cases

that is the only place where you see 80 lol

geon just called it an 8X

since it ranges from like 84 to 89 keys

just abandon the percentages for it

[thick elk]

We could also call tkl 78%

as 96% is full size minus spacing, tkl minus spacing would be 75% so tkl would be 75% / 0.96 by that logic

[old marlin]

not even sure who made up the 96% term

prob originally it missed some keys

so it made sense

just remap it lol

you don't need 2 ctrl and alt keys

[thick elk]

On my wooting one I have the right winkey remapped to the menu key

[old marlin]

realistically

when do you need the context key

[thick elk]

keyboard navigation in spreadsheets / keyboard navigation in general

[fickle ore]

Wait is it 65% or 70-75% that has arrow keys?

[old marlin]

65 and 75 have arrows

[thick elk]

it's a bit better than using the key combo and I did not really have a better use

[old marlin]

except the AM 65 less fuck that thing

has a trackpad for arrows

and is an hhkb otherwise

[fickle ore]

Oke I need a 65% wooting ;(. I thought I'd love 60% but work requires arrows and I wooting both.

fuck work

[old marlin]

lol

[fickle ore]

65% until FI/RE

[old marlin]

I mean I also need arrows at work

but I also prefer tkl

[fickle ore]

Im not fan of the tkl look personally

You're implying I know how to press arrows on 2nd layer

[thick elk]

shift + arrows is a bit annoying behind another modifier for example

[old marlin]

too much of a hassle imo

and via does not do tapdance

[fickle ore]

Im too old to figure it out haha

[old marlin]

which would allow something similar to the wooting

[thick elk]

I also use ctrl + shift ctrl + alt with arrows

For me it's also a matter of taking a sacrifice with little upside

[old marlin]

?

I think we are all on the same term then?

that we just want "native" arrows?

oh

well

not always an option

and ig it is somewhat subjective

[fickle ore]

@digital cliff are you playing any mmo rn

[thick elk]

Fair enough, for me it's mostly that I do use modifiers + arrows / nav cluster a lot and that I see very little downside in having the keys. In terms of width going down to tkl makes the keyboard small enough, with possibly some width advantage going to 75%.
Height especially has no value, if someone would add extra keys on the top or left it would not matter.

[fickle ore]

It's probably changed a ton since I last played it

Even my gf seems to like it lol

[green shard]

Looking for help. I holee modded my stabs (2nd time ever, no problems first time). My stabs (all of them) are mushy or won’t return. The left alt I removed my holee mod and it will return but it has a crunch……
Any advice will be appreciated and I’ll try again tomorrow.

[vagrant pagoda]

are the installed right"?

[green shard]

I’d assume so…two hole side on bar entrance side

[vagrant pagoda]

like into the kb

also is the wire maybe bent?

[green shard]

Let me check

[vagrant pagoda]

lay the wire down on something flat and make sure its flat

[green shard]

They were all brand new granted I’ve had them in package for two years

I’ll check tho

Got them from kbdfans

[vagrant pagoda]

i mean new dosent mean flatlol

[green shard]

True

[near rose]

Anyone who can fix my fortnite from constantly crashing every 45min-2 hr I will pay 15$
dm me

[sharp badger]

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/dx12-optimization-cpu-gpu-access-vram-simultaneously So this will act like AMDs SAM?

[latent hatch]

Why do noctua fans get so much hate

Like they look so nice

Better than just plain Ole black

[pale sigil]

Hate in terms of colour?

[charred lodge]

It's not for everyone but Ur right

[mild dome]

I think people grew sick of Beige since it used to be legally required that all computers adhere to the colour

[flint zinc]

I remember seeing a wooden build that had the brown and beige noctuas and it was super cool

But for most builds I feel like it totally messes up the color scheme unless you build around it

Or if everything else is black

[old marlin]

no, amd already has/had sam with directstorage

it already has a standard from microsoft

called directstorage

that thing just allows simultaneous access

[astral haven]

You definitely pay for them tho and there are Chinese alternatives at the same performance for 1/3 the price...

[old marlin]

basically that

also the nf-a12x25 is a gt clone basically

[dapper seal]

Hey guys my wooting 60he keeps typing on its own and pressing itself randomly and even when I’m playing games it does stuff on its own and spams it. Any help?

[reef patrol]

Using the included cable?

Plugged directly into PC?

[old marlin]

replug

[dapper seal]

Do I have to use it with the cable it gives u?

Also I’ll press a button once on my keyboard then it does it repeatedly as if I’m holding it down

[reef patrol]

You will for the purposes of troubleshooting 😛

So we can figure out what's causing the issue.

[misty saffron]

well, in an ideal world, that’s much fewer loading screens

i’d assume that means you can both render and stream in data at the same time

[ashen spindle]

dont think it would because you still need to read data from disk to (v)ram to set it up

[misty saffron]

i meant different locations

obviously not render and stream in same data

[ashen spindle]

well yeah

but unless you have both levels in both rams at all time it needs to be loaded up

[misty saffron]

what modern engines keep entire levels in vram?

i thought nowadays it’s in much smaller parts due to the, well, technology

[ashen spindle]

thats what I meant though, for this to remove loading screens it would need to have everything you want at level start to be in ram and vram before the level changes

[vagrant pagoda]

what makes noctua fans good is the reliability. I have 10+ year old noctua fans that have been used the whole time

and the only failures i had were some 3 year old flx fans that liked to lose blades, but they replaced them out of warrenty

[paper stump]

Anyone got a good guide for changing case on the Wooting?

[reef patrol]

https://youtu.be/PsRcYxZgBCo

We sure do.

[paper stump]

You guys the best

[gusty kiln]

Artic p12 max has been sold out for weeks

[vagrant pagoda]

Sam predates directstore, and SAM includes resizable bar.

Directstore dosent require resizable bar.

[ashen spindle]

sam/rebar = allows to address more memory on the card above 3gb area
directstorage = load data from SSD directly to VRAM and not have cpu move it through the ram first
new agility sdk feature: VRAM can be used directly from the cpu now akin to shared ram on consoles

[vagrant pagoda]

No Sam is the same as directstorage

Direct storage is Ms implementation of Sam in directx

[ashen spindle]

are you mixing up sam with nvidias gpu direct?

[vagrant pagoda]

Nope

[ashen spindle]

because SAM is just amds rebar implementation

https://www.amd.com/de/technologies/smart-access-memory

[vagrant pagoda]

Wait sas

Smart access storage lol

You're right Sam is rebar and SAS is directstorage

Still it isn't going to be that big of an improvement

[ashen spindle]

yeah

[fickle ore]

noob, above 256 mb area

[ashen spindle]

eh yeah whatever

4g decoding was the other thing to make sure its not 32bit address space only

gotta love it when "tech youtuber" gives bullshit advice about a product thats not out yet with the reasoning reddit would come up with, that multitasking aka using discord makes a 13900k better

[gusty kiln]

Lol

Somehow 8c/16t already not enough for multitasking

[fickle ore]

discord takes atleast 6 corews

[ashen spindle]

a normal PC that has stuff actually going
if you run your 5 hour blender render its going to be shit on everything because scheduling will fuck your 1% lows if nothing else

[crimson wigeon]

Something something everything's just chromium these days

[gusty kiln]

Really interested to see how many watts the 7800x3d will use

Efficiency king soon^tm

[halcyon moss]

7800x3d will prob match most games quite well and absolutely trash intel in some.. like factorio or rimworld

[old marlin]

yea no problems with scheduler doing weird stuff

buuut

will suck in games that don't care about the cache and just want more clocks

[ashen spindle]

yeah but even there it likely improves 1% lows which makes it much better than having always higher peak fps

his reasoning is also dumb, even if its true its not because people use chrome while gaming lmfao

[fickle ore]

Intel sapphire rapids >

[gusty kiln]

Speaking of chrome, I want to upgrade to 32 gb of ram. Decent kit at microcenter for only 99

[vagrant pagoda]

Just look at a 7950x3d with the non 3d die disabled

It's crazy

It will be 75w stock just like the 5800x3d

[ashen spindle]

no its 120

but if it actually reaches that is another thing

[vagrant pagoda]

I just want to see under volt scaling

The 5800 loves uv

[ashen spindle]

or rather tdp is 120 which is 15w higher I believe but that just means MT goes higher, ST/gaming power draw likely the same or a bit higher than 5800x3d

fuck I reached the limit of chrome tabs before it scrolls to the side

[vagrant pagoda]

Lol

[reef patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/okie-dokie-nervous-sign-of-the-cross-scared-gif-12642473

[gusty kiln]

Man I've never understood just keeping tabs open

[vagrant pagoda]

With the P1 and -40 mine is basically locked to 4450mhz

[gusty kiln]

Damn -40?

Golden sample?

Most people I've seen go -20/30

[vagrant pagoda]

You normally only need -30

With a D15 it will Max clocks at -30

But the P1 needs -40

[gusty kiln]

Ah

[vagrant pagoda]

Especially with the GPU loaded

But yeah I binned 4 or 5 of them lol

Mainly for imc

[ashen spindle]

I'm curious how well it can scale

LN2/direct die

[gusty kiln]

Lol that's like 2 grand tied up in cpus

[vagrant pagoda]

I mean you can't increase voltage so more cooling won't help

[vagrant pagoda]

The rest went in other pcs for people

Lol

[gusty kiln]

Ahh nice

[ashen spindle]

well lower temps might still allow higher boosts at same voltage

[vagrant pagoda]

No

It won't run stock volts in ln2

[gusty kiln]

I'm only using a u14s with my 5800x3d

And my gpu is right up against it too

[vagrant pagoda]

Same

[gusty kiln]

Damn asrock and shitty 1st pcie slot location

[vagrant pagoda]

I thinking about a 4080 noctua and ripping the fans off to replace my 1080tis with Morpheus 2s

[gusty kiln]

Though I've only used asrock motherboards and they've never failed me

[vagrant pagoda]

Lol I have the tachi razer

But every GPU will effect the p1

It's chonkers

[gusty kiln]

Kek

B650 taichi looks like a great motherboard even for high end builds

[vagrant pagoda]

What I really need is to take my torrent and put it on its sude

[gusty kiln]

That's is what I would get

[gusty kiln]

Cpu cooler support bracket

[vagrant pagoda]

Do bottom to top air flow with the io uptime

[gusty kiln]

[vagrant pagoda]

No like face down ass up

Aka raven

[gusty kiln]

Oooooo

[vagrant pagoda]

My plan with single GPU is to move it to the front of the case on a riser

Using an 011 bracket

Then I can have a fanless GPU

The dual 180s will blow right over it

I can then get rid of the bottom 180s

The issue right now is the bottom fan blows into the GPU it has no way to go through the

Because the PCB is in the way

[gusty kiln]

4090 money right there though

[vagrant pagoda]

Yeah but you ain't running 4090 fanless lol

Right now I have dual 1080 ti

With morphous 2 coolers

[ashen spindle]

I mean, if you powerlimit the 4090 maybe xd

how much does the morpheus handle?

[vagrant pagoda]

Cooler size vs watts

[gusty kiln]

4080 is really efficient, only slightly more power than the 4070ti

[vagrant pagoda]

The 4080 noctua actual cooler is giant

And you can easily remove the fan+ shroud

[gusty kiln]

4070ti can be undervolted to only use 170 watts

95% performance

[vagrant pagoda]

But again you are missing the point

The cooler alone on the noctua is over 2 slots

And the shroud comes off exposing the entire fin stack easily

Like 6 screws

[ashen spindle]

I wonder how good you can get a 4090 by limiting/uv it so hard it can run almost fanless xD

would be fun to see

uv and memory oc makes it so you can have 250w and be at stock performance basically still

[vagrant pagoda]

Yeah but what card has an easily removable shroud within large wide-spaced fin stack

[ashen spindle]

idk if it would be easy or even fitting in a regular pc case, just something that would be cool to see even if its over a riser cable or similar

[gusty kiln]

Is the noctua edition 120mm or 140mm?

[reef patrol]

[gusty kiln]

They should make a 4090 with 140s

[reef patrol]

It'd be so damn wide.

120mm are bad enough as is.

[gusty kiln]

Yes I would like some motherboard with my gpu

[reef patrol]

[gusty kiln]

Yall remember that 4090ti rumor?

[ashen spindle]

I do remember MLIC having his pathetic rant how people who dont believe him dont have sources

[gusty kiln]

About the 4090ti?

[ashen spindle]

ya

[gusty kiln]

[ashen spindle]

tbh all his rants about how credible is are pathetic xD

[astral haven]

I think tho Nvidia may do something similar

[ashen spindle]

oh yeah if the XTX hadn't failed we would have seen a bigger gpu already

but unlikely that thing in the image

[astral haven]

No I think 90 degree PCB is gonna be a thing

[ashen spindle]

sure, if they wanted to put even higher power into consumer pc I woulnd't doubt them experimenting or even for cost saving or whatever

I just dont believe MLIC has sources nobody else has

when his record is so shit despite him deleting false videos so it looks better and it's still a bad accuracy

[keen zinc]

Guys i just got my wooting

and got a question

how do i use F5 for example

tought it was fn + 5

but its not

[ashen spindle]

read the quickstart guide it guides you to in the box

[gusty kiln]

Who is the other "leaker" in a similar vain as mlic

[ashen spindle]

cant directly think of anyone who makes such bold claims that are so often wrong

[gusty kiln]

Does adoredtv ring a bell?

[ashen spindle]

oh well he kinda quit

[gusty kiln]

Ah

[vagrant pagoda]

100%

I think that's a quadro/Tesla for desktop prototype

[vagrant pagoda]

I should mount a P1 to a 4090

[ashen spindle]

https://twitter.com/dnystedt/status/1642889570357334017?t=0WNNvpGUQI_OH25vhH56Cw&s=19 now is this a sign that they are playing it safe by outsourcing or is it just they dont trust their own nodes once again @fickle ore

Dan Nystedt (@dnystedt)

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Twitter · Apr 3, 2023, 1:59 PM

ofc not something official but repeats what has been suspected

[astral haven]

i mean besides the cpus, intel is happy to outsource

and the lower value stuff is dual sourced often

[ashen spindle]

arc was originally not supposed to be outsourced

[astral haven]

since when?

[ashen spindle]

urrr finding the slides is going to be a pain

sometime before they changed the naming to include XeHPG

yeah its a mess to find the slides I'm thinking of since HPG got added later, LP is internal bc thats igpu stuff, HP got canned for commercial sales

and searching for HP and the other short names isn't the easiest google navigation lmao

[fickle ore]

Baby steps, baby steps. Besides, I own both ;p

[ashen spindle]

tbh was more thinking about the amd discussion since this means intel still cant leverage internal node advantages 😛

[sharp badger]

Would be kinda interesting to see this, how would you attach the bracket? 👀

[vagrant pagoda]

That was easy

I just mounted the o11 bracket to the 120 fan mount

Just had to extend the one side by like 10mm