🔌│tech

[gusty kiln]

That's why I like them

[cursive summit]

My earbuds do fit deep enough honestly

And I like that, more audio immersion

[gusty kiln]

These look super light and comfy

[cursive summit]

Looks flimsy

What are those

[gusty kiln]

Sony mdr-ma900

Discontinued

[cursive summit]

Open air headphones?

So, open backs?

Those don't look much open back

[gusty kiln]

It also has a gap

[cursive summit]

Thanks, amazon

[gusty kiln]

Not too bad

[cursive summit]

Oof that looks weird

That whole bass section looks non-existant

[gusty kiln]

I mean yeah

[astral haven]

very classic open back

[gusty kiln]

No seal what so ever

Literal gap at the back

[cursive summit]

Ever since I tasted this sort of FR

I am never budging from this ever again

This is literally perfection

Focal Clear's are very similar to this

I just wish they weren't 1) Discontinued 2) Expensive

[gusty kiln]

790 open box at headphones.com

[cursive summit]

That is very expensive indeed

[gusty kiln]

I was either looking to buy a new gpu or the focal clears

[cursive summit]

I dunno, what are we thinking about their price in the future?

Will they become ultra rare and the price will go up

Typically headphones don't really do that sort of price hike from rarity, it's a calm market

[ashen spindle]

buy the gpu and I sell you my premium audio-hdmi cable for just 200$, it makes the pixels sound better

[pale sigil]

I'm returning headphones

[cursive summit]

Good

[pale sigil]

Just gonna suffer using earbuds

[cursive summit]

Did you get the earwax spoon yet

[pale sigil]

Nope

[gusty kiln]

[cursive summit]

Just get comfy good earbuds, they won't hurt you

[pale sigil]

I've tried so many

Anyway now that I'm going earbuds can you recommend wired

[cursive summit]

Wired earbuds?

That are good?

I mean, chus?

Salnotes zero

Hexas

There's like, a lot there

Nobody really decides on what's the good shit, everyone has an opinion

[gusty kiln]

Just get the $20 ones

[cursive summit]

Yeah nothing wrong with that

[gusty kiln]

Yeah the chu

Fixed wire though

[astral haven]

avoid chu now

[cursive summit]

Etymotic er2's can go down to 80 or so, moondrop aria, chu, cca cra, hexas, salnote zeros, thuthear zero, etc

[pale sigil]

@cursive summit iems

[cursive summit]

They are all iems

[pale sigil]

Exactly

[cursive summit]

.

[gusty kiln]

So you just want normal over ears closed backs?

[astral haven]

have all of these besides the aria and hexas, and i can solidly say to not get the chu compared to the salnotes or cca

[cursive summit]

I have the hexas, and I can tell you that I don't like them

Listened to crin, and I was disappointed

If that's the best sub-100$ iems can offer, I don't like iems

[astral haven]

i can highly recommend the truthear and salnotes zeros, tho you have to like bass or eq

[cursive summit]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VZFcCMUNnA&t=386s

Like, honestly

If this is the blessing2 driver in a 80$ package

[pale sigil]

https://amzn.eu/d/1WIxAtN

[cursive summit]

Why are they so damn shallow sounding

Sound is compressed and just not intimate or immersive

[astral haven]

i must caution you about etymotics, they are highly uncomfortable

[cursive summit]

Someone swears by etymotics here

[gusty kiln]

Ear canal ticklers

[cursive summit]

It's like they are the best thing in the world

[astral haven]

they sound awesome but they are uncomfortable

[pale sigil]

Btw

[gusty kiln]

Oh yeah, haven't seen that person in a while

[pale sigil]

I tried cc cra

Didn't like them

[astral haven]

the cra or the cra+

[cursive summit]

So, you don't like inflated bass then

[final flame]

They're good but imo they lack dynamics compared to some of the other 100$ options

[astral haven]

the regular cra are extreme bass and midbass

[cursive summit]

HOLY MOLY

[astral haven]

the cra+ are just significant bass

[cursive summit]

Crin released pics of the new project

Project red

Collab with Sony?

[gusty kiln]

Already posted

[astral haven]

doubt it

thats truthear

[gusty kiln]

2 pin connector

[pale sigil]

Correct

[cursive summit]

Oh good lord

[pale sigil]

Tbh I don't like bass that much in general

[pale sigil]

I like a little

[cursive summit]

This looks bad

Man I don't get people that like that bass boost in headphones

It's just sick to listen nothing but ear vibrations

[astral haven]

truthear zero + eq

[cursive summit]

Truthear hexa

Hexa is very neutral

[astral haven]

iems are very different from headphones

[pale sigil]

But eq

-_-

[astral haven]

ear gain is significant

[final flame]

Yea

[cursive summit]

I liked the sound of hexa, but again, they are fuckin annoyingly compressed

I am way too accustomed to headphones to enjoy iems

[pale sigil]

What's like my HD6XXs

[cursive summit]

But hexas sound really well

[pale sigil]

Or k612 pros

[astral haven]

well are they compressed or are your comparison points expanded?

[astral haven]

blessing 2

iems for the same sound quality is more expensive...

[pale sigil]

Rip

[cursive summit]

Prolly the 7hz timeless

Idk I like the hexa

[astral haven]

but you shouldnt aim for better sound, you should aim for good enough, as youll probably be fine

[gusty kiln]

Especially with 80 budget

[cursive summit]

Hexa is like really good sounding up to 200$ area

[gusty kiln]

[astral haven]

i suspect you wont have problems with either of the zeros

[pale sigil]

I just want nice audio that I can actually hear shit Vs have shitty bass in my ears

[cursive summit]

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Fanmusic-HEXA-Structure-Diaphragm-Expansibility-black/dp/B0BLYW7KK8/ref=sr_1_3?keywords=HEXA&qid=1680195932&sr=8-3

[astral haven]

try the salnotes zeros

[cursive summit]

I have em, I like em

[astral haven]

they have bass, but they are not overbearing

[pale sigil]

I just hate earphones that try to be bass but end up being messy

It's a turn off

[astral haven]

the truthear zeros are extremely clean

[pale sigil]

The audio doesn't even have to be good, just the bass ruins them, exact problem with cc cra

[astral haven]

salnotes less so but for 2/5 the price

[pale sigil]

Appalling earphones

[astral haven]

again cra or cra+

cra is extreme bass and extra midbass

[pale sigil]

Cra normal

[astral haven]

cra+ is just extra bass

[cursive summit]

Hexa sounds clean, imo

That truthear zero though, wtf is that hill

[astral haven]

dual dynamics

the bass is almost entirely separated from the main body of the sound

[final flame]

So just look for stuff that doesn't have bass that starts after 200hz

[pale sigil]

I didn't have +

So my point is still kinda valid

[astral haven]

can you get the cra vs salnotes and hexa svp?

[cursive summit]

cra+ or normal

[astral haven]

normal

gotta use a known comparison point

[cursive summit]

Also what's svp

[astral haven]

please

[astral haven]

Bass

[cursive summit]

cra+ isn't any better

[astral haven]

show the whole thing

[cursive summit]

It's a mess innit

[astral haven]

it has more treble too

[pale sigil]

Treble nice

[cursive summit]

Again, I have the Hexas, and I can swear that they sound really chill

And the comfort is good

Comes with foam + typical silicon tips

If you don't like em, return em

But yeah that's my advice

[astral haven]

and i dont so i cant really say anything about them besides just recommending trying something cheaper first

also heck you might like the metallic sound of the chus lmao

[pale sigil]

Are they remotely similar to the normal versions

[cursive summit]

Most peeps on youtube said they are the best thing to buy until blessing2s

[astral haven]

what?

[cursive summit]

Ngl hexa seems to hold its own even against this thing

That Dusk bass boost though

Hexa has apparently the same exact driver configuration as the b2

I wonder if b3 will be a good enough upgrade over b2

https://twitter.com/OreXda/status/1641267064433438720

Connor / 코너 / コナー (@OreXda)

According to my source, Next Gen of Nintendo Switch DevKit have been just send to developers.

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Twitter · Mar 30, 2023, 2:32 AM

Aand... it's a thing

"Reportedly"

Devkits are being sent out like what, a year or two before launch?

[ashen spindle]

depends greatly on how different it is

[cursive summit]

Still a tegra

I doubt they'll do the whole double screen design

[astral haven]

theres most of 10 years of soc development since the release of the base soc that the current switch is using...

[cursive summit]

Well, we know what they'll be using

Tegra239

[astral haven]

but we dont know what tegra 239 will actually be

[cursive summit]

Don't we?

ARM Cortex-A78AE

GPU based on Tegra X1

[astral haven]

is a guess based on it being the same as tegra 234

[cursive summit]

If it's based on it, why wouldn't it be the same or a bit cut down

[astral haven]

it being "based on it" is a guess

the guess is that it is downgraded orin
but it could very well be xavier based

it could also be a branch of the atlan/grace project

now orin is the most likely, but its still a random guess

[cursive summit]

I did read the comments and

That could very well be an april fools joke

[astral haven]

yep

[cursive summit]

A bit early but who knows

I mean, it's not that unlikely that nintendo are making a new switch already

[astral haven]

would be a good time for nintendo tho

nah thats just an april fools joke from some randos on the internet

[cursive summit]

I don't suppose we will see a launch of new hardware for holidays

Nintendo doesn't really have much for the end of year though

Some would say metroid 4

But that's dead

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-03-30/sony-psvr2-headset-off-to-slow-start-as-metaverse-push-sputters

270k is not a small value

VR has been greeted in a bit of a sceptical way by most

It's a cool tech but just hasn't gotten much public recognition

270k isn't bad though

Sony seems like they have no clue about the market if they genuinely hoped to have 2m sales

Also, what are the actually big VR releases?

Either nobody talks about them, or they don't exist

[astral haven]

psvr2 launched with horizon call of the mountain

[cursive summit]

Oh good lord https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4070-to-retail-at-599

599

Another 100$ price hike over last gen

[final flame]

Ugh

[cursive summit]

Man it sure is weird when AMD is the one not raising their prices

[lofty pivot]

honestly not surprised, if it was below $599 i'd have been surprised

i expected them to be even greedier and put it at $649 lol

[astral haven]

there was also bonelab which is a very impressive experience, not quite a complete game at launch tho

[cursive summit]

Bonelabs was a bit ago though

And yeah it was a testbed, not really a game

Idk what crash zero games are doing at this point

[final flame]

Personally I'm waiting until 50 series before I actually upgrade

[cursive summit]

Man these stats look sad

Like, there is not much innovation here

The thing I look at and I am genuinely saying "ok, good" is the fuckin 200w power value

Everything else looks sad

[lofty pivot]

at least youtube is adding av1 support, now just need twitch to follow and nvidia loses a lot of their advantage with streamers

[astral haven]

you say that but its gonna be a damn fast gpu

[cursive summit]

What warranted them to settle for 599 and not 499

Are the production costs that much higher year to year

[lofty pivot]

since 4070ti is 799 they priced it to match performance wise

they don't care about matching previous gen anymore, just want to grab as much money as they can

[cursive summit]

That 4070ti looks like a 4080 anyways

[astral haven]

yes, remember that samsung node that everyone was complaining about?
this is what the switch to tsmc cost

[lofty pivot]

there's no way tsmc up their costs that much though, this is just them knowing they can charge this much

[astral haven]

the samsung 8n wafers cost 8 grand each

the tsmc n4 wafers cost 20-25 grand each

[lofty pivot]

even with increased costs it's not matching the cost increase per card

[cursive summit]

Those are some expensive waffles

[astral haven]

actually it is

nvidia just moved the naming scheme down the die size chart

[lofty pivot]

how so?

i'm fairly sure the math doesn't work out that the increased manufacturing costs didn't make a 4070 this gen cost that much more than pre covid

[astral haven]

?

[lofty pivot]

they just know they can get away with the pricing, and they can so it's kind of whatever at this point

[ashen spindle]

its both

they can get away but also to keep same margin they need to up price

samsung is throwing away wafers im comparison

[lofty pivot]

well yes and no, they do need to up the price to keep margin but it's no where near the increase

a small increase would cover the new margin

[ashen spindle]

no not really

[astral haven]

4070 = 37 million transistors
3070 = 17 million transistors
price per transistor is higher on n4 vs 8n

[lofty pivot]

okay so how much did their cost per card go up based on revised manufacturing costs

then we can divide that by estimated number of cards sold

er multiply

[astral haven]

uh no

cost per card is directly related to cost per chip

[lofty pivot]

okay let me clarify, how much did their cost per finished product go up

[cursive summit]

Tbf they also pay for memory generation increase

[ashen spindle]

what

[cursive summit]

g6x on all of em now

Instead of g6

[ashen spindle]

g6x was on most ampere already

[lofty pivot]

i'm 100% on board that it costs them more now than before, but i'd be willing to bet it's no where near an increase in end product costs that justifies anywhere near current gpu prices

otherwise their profits wouldn't have skyrocketed quite this much

[astral haven]

🤷 we have no idea, but we can estimate anywhere between $20 and $100 raw silicon price, which means anywhere from $40 to $200 consumer price increase

[lofty pivot]

they're taking a lot of it as pure profit

their stock went insane due to the skyrocketing profits

[astral haven]

their margins havent changed for consumer

they just have been selling more a100s

[lofty pivot]

this was before the ai stuff

[astral haven]

no tf it was not lmao

[lofty pivot]

? what do you mean

[astral haven]

a100 wasnt even released back when companies started hoarding ai hardware

[lofty pivot]

their profits skyrocketed before ai stuff

i'm not talking about just from ai

[astral haven]

what do you consider to be "before ai stuff"

[lofty pivot]

wait - what are you debating right now

[astral haven]

nvidia got lucky that the actual moment the crypto boom bust, the ai boom started

[lofty pivot]

for sure

i don't disagree

[astral haven]

nvidias gross margin hasnt changed

[lofty pivot]

i'm not disagreeing with that at all

ai is huge

[ashen spindle]

data center sells more than gaming now, the stock isnt coming rising gaming side

[astral haven]

so if nvidia is selling more of the more profitable server chips, and their total gross margin hasnt changed, it stands to reason that they have less profit on the consumer chips

[ashen spindle]

their gross margin is down for the last 4 quarters

[astral haven]

oh yikes lol

so even worse

[ashen spindle]

it still 56% which is insane but its not climbing lol

[lofty pivot]

yeah i see the problem now, you're talking about nvidia as a whole

[astral haven]

i mean 56 isnt fantastic

[astral haven]

we dont have stats for margins on specific segments

[astral haven]

so thats what you must be talking about here

[lofty pivot]

yeah so it's mostly guess work right, but we can make logical guesses

[astral haven]

well no

its mostly nvidia has published numbers

[lofty pivot]

we can't make logical guesses based on pre covid prices and changes in their costs?

[astral haven]

nope, because pre covid prices have no impact on current data

[lofty pivot]

so then no logical guesses can be made at all

ok

[astral haven]

why not?

[lofty pivot]

well you said we can't

[astral haven]

no, i just said we cant use pre covid data

[astral haven]

theres no data for n4 pre covid, it wasnt even finalized at that point

[lofty pivot]

if we can't use pre covid data then we can't use post covid data either

[astral haven]

what

[lofty pivot]

because have no way to measure any changes in any costs at any scale

[astral haven]

what?

[lofty pivot]

exactly. this is such a weird path to go down

[astral haven]

um no?

[ashen spindle]

you can use post covid data because you can compare wafer costs but you cant use pre covid data for something that isn't existing in pre covid times?

[astral haven]

nvidia paid we estimate 8k per wafer mid 2021 for the wafers used to make 3070s
thats not pre covid data is it?

[lofty pivot]

so we can't compare how much thier costs went up with before?

[astral haven]

???

there is no useful data pre covid
banish anything from before the year 2020 from your mind when considering these prices

the products were released in 2021 and 2023 respectively so pre 2020 doesnt matter

[lofty pivot]

i get the feeling you're trying to compare something very different to the conversation

[ashen spindle]

the comparison was wafer costs between tsmc and samsung since that was likely the biggest direct cost increase, what pre covid data do you want to use to compare that to?

[lofty pivot]

^ exactly that

[ashen spindle]

you cant say exactly that when I ask you what

lol

[lofty pivot]

so based on that cost increase, can't we guesstimate how much their cost went up on that area

then once you know that cost can't we then tie that to prices before and after the change and see the percentage increase and how much of that is tied to that big manufacturing change

[astral haven]

yes

but covid has nothing to do with it because this was after covid...

[lofty pivot]

okay i see where the conversation went off now, the whole covid thing

okay so now wouldn't we be able to see that the percentage increase in manufacturing cost doesn't match the price increase in cards, particularly when nvidia is double dipping with both increasing prices and pushing down model numbers further below what they would have been in the past

[astral haven]

^

[lofty pivot]

yep exactly, so nvidia knows they can manipulate it by releasing cards lower than what they would have previously at these models

[astral haven]

if nvidia matched prices 1:1 with the cost of the die, the 3090 to 4090 price increase would have been about 1.8x

the comparison for 3070 to 4070 would be a little lower at something between 1.5x and 1.8x

[lofty pivot]

that doesn't seem quite right

[astral haven]

exactly
so obviously they arent price tracking based on the per die cost

[lofty pivot]

yep, so then i'm still confused at how the statement is incorrect to say that nvidia is increasing gpu prices on consumer side beyond their new costs to grab more profit

[astral haven]

the 3070 was 500

the 4070 die costs between 1.5 and 1.8x the 3070 die

the 4070 is less than 1.5x the price

therefore they are not increasing their profit

[ashen spindle]

the raw cost increase of the silicon die alone is like 20-100$ more, that is not including any cost increase in labor, pcb or anything else

[lofty pivot]

20-100 is a big range

[ashen spindle]

yes

[astral haven]

there is a ton of uncertainty about the cost of each one

[ashen spindle]

gl having access to trade secrets of tsmc to get more accurate numbers

[astral haven]

nvidia does in fact have their own manufacturing node at tsmc this time which is why the ranges are so big

[ashen spindle]

they went from tsmc on turing to mostly making ampere on samsung after not getting deals they wanted but N4 is a custom node again so they still get deals but not as good as apple and likely not as good as AMD either due to them working closer together

but how much it is all exactly is very difficult to find out

[astral haven]

what we do know however is that 8n was cheaaaaaaaap

[ashen spindle]

yup

[astral haven]

i was kinda shocked when the performance actually increased going from n12 to 8n
i was even more shocked when the perf/watt also increased believe it or not

[ashen spindle]

eh, it's still better than the node turing was on since tsmc12 is basically just a shrink of 16

[lofty pivot]

i did notice they also did stop doing their former pricing models with ti/price reductions too, but i'm not sure where that falls into as far as their profit stuff goes

[astral haven]

yea but that was still a flagship node

[lofty pivot]

it's no longer ti comes out later at old price and former card drops in price as their line gets more efficient to produce

[astral haven]

ignore the name

look at the performance and price, thats all that actually matters

[lofty pivot]

yeah i mean even ignoring the name that doesn't happen anymore at all

where the previous card gets discounted down as a newer model is introduced

but i guess covid did just pass so we'll see if that begins to happen

[astral haven]

🤷 you still arent ignoring the name lel

the mid cycle refreshes did push down the previous models pricing slightly...

ignoring if they were called mid cycle refreshes or not

[lofty pivot]

the whole 3000 line pricing get completely railed by covid stuff so it's hard to even say what was demand going back to normal pushing prices down by $2k for a normal gpu

[astral haven]

another thing to be aware of is that the rise of bnpl has also increased the amount people are willing to pay if just a little

[lofty pivot]

honestly i don't think covid even reduced people buying all that much

[astral haven]

no it increased buying and increased costs of production

[lofty pivot]

a friend where i live is one of the biggest pc builders and he never had any reduction in gaming pc build orders even when gpus were absurd

well his end doesn't change, he has to pay the increased prices per gpu too

but end consumers still wanted gaming pcs even at an extra $1k for a gpu

[astral haven]

its not like you can just refuse to run your business because the cost of parts increased...

[lofty pivot]

honestly a lot of gamers are in the tech space too and for them pc gaming is a luxury where an extra $1k doesn't affect their bottom line as much

[astral haven]

also with how long the gap between generations was for 20 to 30, i had significantly more time to save...

heck i could buy a 4090 right now if i wanted to but eh?

[lofty pivot]

yeah exactly, it sucks to pay the increased cost these days but it's still well within the doable range

[astral haven]

im probably gonna spend more on a cpu upgrade than i would on a 4090 and get less perf

technically i havent had a new pc build since around that time, but ive been doing incremental upgrades since

also mfw the most valuable single component of my pc isnt the gpu

[lofty pivot]

yeah i build just before covid went nuts then just rode a 2060 super until recently because it felt a bit 'eh' to pay covid prices for gpus

[astral haven]

and my 3090 has not dropped in value that much...

[lofty pivot]

honestly the value for upgrading right now isn't really all that bad, you pay a little more for gpu but you got some amazing cpu options like 5800x3d for people on older amd cpus

[astral haven]

i absolutely refuse to give amd any more money after my experiences this gen

[ashen spindle]

[cursive summit]

Hmm

Tbf I wouldn't buy it for 750

[astral haven]

yea but kingpin worth more than reference

[ashen spindle]

my current gripe is with intel but not their cpus, their 2.5g chips though

so much issues I had to solve for friends by having them update drivers or force it to 1gig

insane how bad it is

i225 needs to be expunged from the records

[astral haven]

yea

most everything has moved to i226 fortunately

[ashen spindle]

which still has some issues from its brother

[astral haven]

some, but its solid enough to pass sth's testing

maybe some vestigial windows issues but nothing hardware any more

[ashen spindle]

and honestly the more annoying ones, i225 I was able to fix by telling people to update and force 1gig, the one guy who has a i226 I cant help him fix his internet connection losses

[astral haven]

dang

big f

i really wish we would switch to sfp tbh

your module doesnt work? get a new one

[ashen spindle]

I wish we could just never have done 2.5 gig and just went to 10g lmfao that works at least

[astral haven]

10g requires new wiring

2.5g works ez over cat 5 even

tho not recommended ofc

[ashen spindle]

just make 10g ports and have the cable be bottlenecks, at least it doesnt break 1g

[astral haven]

the problem is that 10g over 5e is a sporadic issue

think wifi or dsl

[ashen spindle]

sure but just have it be 10g but 5e doesnt do it at all then xD

[astral haven]

wrong

5e can do 10g and even over slightly longer distances, its just not consistent

it acts like extremely long cat 5 runs at 1g

[ashen spindle]

well yeah I mean let it only do 1g I would be fine for it so you need higher cables to actually to 10g if that means we can skip the 2.5g mess that is intels chips lol

[astral haven]

yes but the problem is how do you tell if it should only do 1g

also 2.5 and 5g are actually quite nice to have with all this streaming stuff

also theres me
skipping straight from 1g to 100g

[gusty kiln]

[ashen spindle]

that reminds me I should really call my ISP and ask when tf they do their docsis upgrade and make sure they dont skip my area lol

also say hello to my new work equipment

[crisp granite]

[ashen spindle]

lets hope its less of a pain than the quest 2

[astral haven]

kinda disapoint on the bigscreen headset reviews

[crisp granite]

Genuinely want to play oculus exclusives
Don’t want an oculus headset for it

Didn’t Nintendo take a stab at that?

Virtual boy iirc

Some duct tape will fix that

[ashen spindle]

but I do hope to add a 4th HMD to my collection soon, deckard any day now

[crisp granite]

Mmmm yes

Deckard

Soon™️

[true quest]

surely in time for the winter season

[ashen spindle]

I expect summer, like the index

[crisp granite]

Honestly I just expect some time this year

[astral haven]

wouldnt be so sure about that

[ashen spindle]

shut it, I need my copium

[astral haven]

definetly not expecting it this season tbh

🤷 vr isnt just a 3d hmd

[ashen spindle]

wait that reminds me maybe I can get a ps5 for psvr2 form work then I dont need to buy a ps5 myself for FF16 lel

[astral haven]

the most important part is 6dof in both visual and input

[lofty pivot]

they gotta fix half the population getting extreme motion sickness before vr can really take off

[true quest]

skill issue

[astral haven]

its known how to solve it its just expensive

[ashen spindle]

we are getting dev kits so thats no issue

I really just want it to have a ps5 for my own use xD

wouldnt buy it myself

[gusty kiln]

Lol how is that not going to trigger something from the purchasing department

I can understand the 4090

But a ps5?

Lol

[ashen spindle]

I mean we are getting psvr2 dev kits at some point, so we need a ps5 to run them?

[astral haven]

if you work in game dev its kinda a different story lel

[ashen spindle]

I'm not trying to get them for free for myself entirely lol

[gusty kiln]

Ahh ok

Actually wasn't sure where you work at

[ashen spindle]

software company that does contract work aka bullshit research projects but also some healthcare/gamification/serious games etc.

[gusty kiln]

[ashen spindle]

so no you wont get to play anything I make unless you get quite unlucky and enter something they try for dementia lol

[ashen spindle]

I just realized using the pico means I can remove the oculus drivers

Finally the worst piece of audio drivers in existence are gone

Holy I didn’t even think about this

[gusty kiln]

https://www.techpowerup.com/306653/microsoft-aims-to-modernize-its-upcoming-windows-12-with-modular-design

[tranquil sparrow]

When I am play games I keep switching to ps4 for a split second how do I fix

[ashen spindle]

#1019755933959733258

[cursive summit]

https://www.pcgamer.com/latest-windows-11-test-build-crams-ads-into-your-start-menu/

Yay

[mild dome]

There needs to be some regulation that once you've paid for a service you will not get ads.
It's assanine that people fork up money for Windows and then get this shit.

[empty wren]

What I dislike more is seeing TikTok preinstalled

[pale sigil]

Could be worse but bleh

[empty wren]

Microsoft makes it to easy not to

I was actually gonna pay em, but apparently the same key can activate 3 devices

Also windows 7 keys can give you 11

[pale sigil]

Tricky because they make money from business

Not users

[hexed lantern]

Anyway I can get ants from living in my keyboard?

[mild dome]

Stop eating over your keyboard such that crumbs get trapped within.

[hexed lantern]

Thank you

[fair gull]

humanity invented these things called dining tables years ago and they are really good for eating and drinking at. rule of thumb is to not eat at your pc and only drink pure water when sitting at it

[hexed lantern]

No I like to eat goldfish and game at the sametime

you aint experiencing the full thing if you aint eating goldfish and playing games

[fair gull]

uh sure i guess im glad im not experiencing the whole thing

[hexed lantern]

THE SNACK THAT SMILES BACK

GOLDFISH

[misty saffron]

not the worst kind of ads

[pale sigil]

@mild dome what they should do is not have this stuff in pro

And home be OK

Because most consumers buy home at well home

[mild dome]

Fuck that

If home was free, then maybe, but MS charges dollarydoos for Home, so it's not ok in my book

Yeah if Windows starts forcing ads onto the platform, then I ain't paying cash for it anymore. Gonna get my pegleg and eyepatch, and will still rip out ads so they make no bank from me.
You gotta keep in mind that Microsoft is not only making money from selling Windows to us, but is also making big money selling our data as well. I know the purpose of a company is to make more green, but comon. There has to be reasonable limit on what it can get away with

[severe phoenix]

https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapcsales/comments/1276ia6/ssd_crucial_p3_plus_4tb_pcie_gen4_3d_nand_nvme_m2/

[cursive summit]

Not really a deal

If you can get 1TB for 50 or so nowadays

[severe phoenix]

Density costs

And it's Gen4 as well

It's actually a stellar deal, with the discount it's less than 200$

[ashen spindle]

doesnt matter if you can get 1tb for 50, higher density means less slots used and more importantly better performance

higher caches etc. so better sustained read/write

[reef patrol]

fewer

[cursive summit]

Fair enough, but being real about it, barely anyone needs 4TB of storage

Sometimes you just don't need to spend more

[reef patrol]

[severe phoenix]

Barely anyone needs a Wooting keyboard either.

Over a generic USB keyboard for 10$

Your point?:P

[cursive summit]

Now you shut up about that

[severe phoenix]

lol

[cursive summit]

[halcyon moss]

i only have 1 nvme slot, not 4

[severe phoenix]

I mean it's the same point you're making

[ashen spindle]

exactly, but tbf you likely have some unused pcie slots that could be converted

still easier to have less parts

[halcyon moss]

adding costs

[ashen spindle]

ye

[halcyon moss]

and requires mobo support

[ashen spindle]

no not really

boards dont need to do anything fancy for pcie to m2 cards to work

[halcyon moss]

and having to deal with split volumes, or raid 0

[ashen spindle]

ok if you deal with more than just raw storage sure

[severe phoenix]

There's also issues worrying about PCIE Lanes being shared with GPU

[ashen spindle]

which board does that lol

[severe phoenix]

????

Uhm

[ashen spindle]

almost all have 16 to gpu, 4 to m2 and the rest to chipset

[severe phoenix]

Mos

Most*

lol

[reef patrol]

Not with the main GPU slot, no

[halcyon moss]

its a hot take quint, and i am not liking it :p

[severe phoenix]

It's getting less common, but it's still overwhelmingly common to share PCIE lanes

[ashen spindle]

20 lanes so it split 16 to gpu 4 to nvme is not sharing it

no sane board reduces primary slot to x8

[reef patrol]

Tell you what. Find me a motherboard that shares the 16 lanes for a GPU and I'll concede.

[ashen spindle]

aside from mining boards*

[reef patrol]

[severe phoenix]

https://external-preview.redd.it/need-help-understanding-shared-pcie-lanes-pcie-versions-v0-iQ7rnOLJjIqNLkO1m208YA-Jph4pVZJoW__qQ9_K1Zw.png?auto=webp&s=28133d7d2b4f0a67b7ae568dbd8885a83d5537f7

[reef patrol]

What about the other two slots?

[ashen spindle]

what board is that

[severe phoenix]

This is a pretty common thing

https://rog.asus.com/motherboards/rog-strix/rog-strix-b650e-e-gaming-wifi-model/

"When M.2_3 (the bottom M.2 socket) is used, the top graphics slot breaks down to PCIe 5.0 x8 speeds. But remember that x8 5.0 is effectively the same bandwidth of x16 4.0, so bandwidth shouldn’t be an issue on any current-gen cards at that speed."

[ashen spindle]

yeah was about to say if it keeps 5x8 then its a trend I actually like

no need to worry since you dont have gpus that can use more bandwidth

[severe phoenix]

I mean it's a trend that is going away, thankfully. Shared lanes are becoming uncommon.

It was an issue in the past, but becoming less so now

[ashen spindle]

I would say the oppsoite, if pcie keeps being ahead, splitting lanes makes more sense

a 4090 needs nowhere close to 5x16 lanes

[severe phoenix]

i.e, say you had two M.2 slots and a PCIE 3.0 x16 slot, on a lot of boards if you ran two NVMEs in those M.2 slots, the PCE 3.0 would go down to x8

[reef patrol]

Literally never seen a board in the AM4 era that split the main GPU lane. Only the extra ones.

[ashen spindle]

pcie 3 yeah then it becomes an issue, not on pcie5 for a long time

[old marlin]

skylake x be like

[severe phoenix]

It's just how some boards work it

[old marlin]

https://nl.aliexpress.com/item/1005005373794774.html

this one also has a split lane

special case though

mini itx

with 3 m.2 slots

and a mobile cpu

[reef patrol]

The real issue I remember having with Gen 3 PCIe was when boards would start shutting off physical ports altogether due to lack of lanes.

[old marlin]

was mainly skylake x

[reef patrol]

"If you plug in something into this M.2 slot you lose 4 SATA connectors"

Always fun to explain that to joe average who thought they could do an 8xHDD server setup on their B550 something shit board 😄

[old marlin]

because there was a huge difference in pcie lane coutns for cpus

[reef patrol]

Don't think I ever sold a Skylake x PC. Pleeeeenty of consumer grade Ryzens and Intels though 😄

[old marlin]

yea was 16 on the low end

44 on the high end

was the largest extreme ik

where most of the mobos stopped working

[reef patrol]

When the baseline model is a 2200G based PC with no GPU and a 550W cheapo Corsair PSU, you kind of know what to expect 😄

[old marlin]

well yea

at least it has a purpose

the 7640x was just a waste of anything really

money

resources

mainboards

[cursive summit]

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/samsung-talks-1pb-ssds

[reef patrol]

[cursive summit]

Prices on these will be insane

[reef patrol]

At first definitely - But imagine the longterm benefits as it drips down.

64GB SATA SSDs used to have insane prices - And we still bought them to get faster OS and games 😄

[cursive summit]

Ngl, my first ssd was 120gb and even that was like 30$

So I have no idea what you are talking about

HDD's until late 2010s

[reef patrol]

[old marlin]

can confirm

paid hundreds for my first ssd

[crimson wigeon]

Yep, but was so so worth it

[reef patrol]

I still use my ancient 64GB SATA SSD as the boot drive on my NAS.

Could boot from a floppy basically, but it's nice to have 😄

[severe phoenix]

My first SSD was a Samsung 830 128GB. I paid 180$.

In 2012

[reef patrol]

I don't even know what SSD prices are any more. Bought a 1TB NVME pre-covid for 130€? or so. Which was a slight discount at the time.

Though who knows when my 4TB dies suddenly #corsair #QLCohno

[cursive summit]

Bruh

[marsh glade]

Well did you buy a ticket?

Assuming no, because nobody else did either, then you've got no right to be surprised 😂

[reef patrol]

Well overdue.

[cursive summit]

Geoff didn't wait for even a minute to announce SGF for this year after E3 perished

Instant marketing

Good on him, but SGF is still boring

[reef patrol]

I don't even pay attention to events any more. There's always a quick article or video that boils it down and cuts off any advertisement and filler.

And I get early access via email invites anyway, not by attending events in person.

Indies rule supreme.

[shadow minnow]

What about wootup?

[reef patrol]

Wootup is just as much an excuse to meet the rest of the team I work with every day. 😄

[marsh glade]

I was just going to say

[reef patrol]

Also a lot easier to go to than the US.

[shadow minnow]

Not true

Us is land of the free

[reef patrol]

I don't think the TSA would let me enter considering what I post on Twitter.

[shadow minnow]

So it must be free to get there

Land of the free entry

[pale sigil]

Woooooow

I see how it is

[reef patrol]

I will say I still regret not going to Gamescon a couple of years back, when I was offered a paid trip by a game studio.

The timing just sucked.

[fair gull]

id imagine it would be mainly used in datacenters

[reef patrol]

Yeah that's usually how it starts.

[cursive summit]

But yeah in the next decade so, we'll see what tech is available in 2033

Do we see 1TB being the same as 64 or 120GB SSDs in 10 years?

Everyone will just be using 4 or more

[fair gull]

i think we will see 250 and 500gb be the standard for a long long time

mainly cause most people dont need more

[reef patrol]

1TB was the norm for a "serious" gaming PC pre-covid.

We stopped building SSD based machines with less than 500GB unless customer was warned and informed of limitations.

[fair gull]

gaming pcs isnt the biggest market though

business and home is

but in general if theres tech out there to make 1pb nand chips or smaller ones to assemble 1pb

you can bet that terabytes will become cheap

[reef patrol]

And those can run on a 64GB SSD.

Because most of them will heavily utilize cloud storage services in this day and age or similar internal solutions.

[fair gull]

actually yesnt

id say 128gb is the limit for low storage

but most laptops in that sector have 256 or 512gb nvme ssds

not to mention often not even a slot for a second one

[reef patrol]

At any rate I think the smallest configuration you can find in the prebuilt/laptop segment for "general" use is like 240/256 at this point. 500 for the ones that aren't bottom of barrel 🙂

[reef patrol]

Or they're Apple.

[fair gull]

well true

gotta say though

im getting along with it fine

[pale sigil]

tbf

MacOS does not hog up space

[fair gull]

thats used space with a win11 vm

[severe phoenix]

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/wd-easystore-18tb-external-usb-3-0-hard-drive-black/6427995.p?skuId=6427995

[empty wren]

Someone using a VPN will probably bypass that restriction

[reef patrol]

It's more of a rule enforcement thing.

[ashen spindle]

its just some time before its fully banned anyway, thankfully

[astral haven]

Rossmann makes a good point tho
Why ban tiktok when all the other social medias also do the exact same thing?

[pale sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/cheers-xi-jinping-itsrucka-lets-drink-to-that-to-us-gif-23889087

[ashen spindle]

well yeah they do the same, as a government I want to be the only one spying on my citizens though

[reef patrol]

Because it's CHYNA who spies.

[ashen spindle]

for the US it makes sense to ban it, doesnt have to make sense from the user side

[cursive summit]

They did that with Kaspersky

Universally banned for government usage

Discouraged for big companies

Other than that it's fine

[astral haven]

Yeah but it's different when it's public users

[reef patrol]

coughs in GDPR

[astral haven]

coughs in noncompliance

[reef patrol]

laughs in massive fines

[astral haven]

🤷 a fine is just a business expense if you make more from the data than the fine

[ashen spindle]

yup, see facebook stock going up after the first big eu fine was announced because they thought it would be even worse

[sudden smelt]

Does anyone know how to save my custom fn key layer?

[reef patrol]

You move the profile up to the keyboard and hit SAVE TO KEYBOARD in the top right.

[vagrant pagoda]

https://www.vice.com/en/article/3akn8v/the-dea-bought-customer-data-airlines-parcel-bus-amtrak-no-warrant

[gusty kiln]

actual detective work is dead

[sudden smelt]

@reef patrol ty

[astral haven]

Lol even worse

[gusty kiln]

anyone have experience with PNY gaming gpus?

[astral haven]

Pny makes most OEM and Fe GPUs for nvidia

[vagrant pagoda]

And all the quadros, and most of the DC stuff too

[gusty kiln]

I knew the Quadro part, but not the FE part

interesting

[vagrant pagoda]

Nvidia dose the design

Which is why in the last few years most oems moved to non reference cards because the Fe cards cost more to make

[ashen spindle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obAhWP9vkhU

the face scan to get a fitting mold is a neat idea

[gusty kiln]

seems like companies are posting their April fools jokes early

[true quest]

that's been the case the past few years

[pale sigil]

Do show some

[gusty kiln]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvSmM68xW5Q

[ashen spindle]

already cant wait for some dumb shit to come from it

the one manga reader website II use flipped their previews upside down and used comic sans, now that's an april fools I like

[pale sigil]

Lolq

Sadly I don't have the power to April fools this time.

No way of pissing people off

[ashen spindle]

never used that site since it went done some time agao

just got used to other sites

[astral haven]

Tachiyomi for the win

[ashen spindle]

is it as much of a vaporware as tachyum?

[pale sigil]

@prisma crag noice

First world country delivery times

[ashen spindle]

wait so you ordered from outside uk?

[pale sigil]

Nope

[reef patrol]

[gusty kiln]

think the wireless version came out recently\

[pale sigil]

Ye but this cost me £9.99

:p

[gusty kiln]

damn

2nd hand?

[pale sigil]

New

It's my spare mouse in the draw

[gusty kiln]

I'm just waiting to see what logitech comes up with in the summer

then my current mouse will be my backup mice

what's that?

I don't think the shape will be for me

looks similar to the G303 and G305, which are usable for me but not for long hours

I have around 20x10 cm hands

it's smaller than my RVU in all dimensions

yeah not for me

well you are comfortable with fingertip grip

I'm not

linux?

oof

[gusty kiln]

crucial P3+ 4tb also for 215

• is gen 4 I think

[sharp badger]

https://videocardz.com/press-release/g-skill-announces-2x24gb-ddr5-8200-memory-kit The problem with these speeds is usually getting a good Mobo (Gigabyte Aorus Taychon & Asus Apex/ROG Maximus) & winning the CPU "lottery" of getting a good one 😅

[ashen spindle]

Yeah for this gen it’s basically useless but good to have for next gen

Pushed prices down and all

[cursive summit]

Not bad at all

120W however, that doesn't include the top boys which are like 165W or something wild, right?

Yeah the 7950X is 170W https://www.amd.com/en/products/cpu/amd-ryzen-9-7950x

[reef patrol]

https://twitter.com/TheRegister/status/1641896268191662080

[cursive summit]

Under HomeTweetTypePredicates.scala

So... tweet promotions?

[ashen spindle]

.. yes?

[cursive summit]

Cause fuckin Musk is always promoted

This better be a joke https://twitter.com/NZXT/status/1641787433409806337

NZXT (@NZXT)

S👀N™

Likes

2356

Retweets

263

Twitter · Mar 31, 2023, 1:00 PM

[vagrant pagoda]

that looks cool

[ashen spindle]

its an AI image

[cursive summit]

Not much artifacts on it to really conclude it's fake

Tbf I do wonder what the hell are those PCIe connectors

There's a whole lot of em

[ashen spindle]

pcie and look at the fins behind the blades at some points and the hdmi port

tbf ports could be just a bad render

[cursive summit]

Either they are taking an april fool's joke a bit far

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1780891245

Cause they did a podcast just announcing it and saying preorders open soon

It didn't sound like a joke

[ashen spindle]

who tf does pre orders for a gpu

[cursive summit]

I mean, are they a big company?

I don't imagine they'll have massive stocks

[reef patrol]

Why would it be an april's fools? It's barely afternoon in the US.

[ashen spindle]

why would big company have anything to do with pre ordering

[reef patrol]

NZXT are cali based. And they've done motherboards already. I bet this is just a rebranded PNY like how HP does.

[cursive summit]

They did mention the whole idea of the GPU is to have the full bundle of "NZXT only"

I don't think they'd mention that with a joke in mind

[ashen spindle]

this isn like a keyboard that needs a pre order for funding though

especially if people cant review it beforehand

[cursive summit]

I mean, Nvidia also did preorders for 2000 series GPUs did they not?

They went in seconds

[reef patrol]

They can use it an an interest check before placing a production order.

[cursive summit]

Yeah I imagine they have that small stock for preorders so they get a good chunk ordered for launch as well

[cursive summit]

https://devblogs.microsoft.com/directx/preview-agility-sdk-1-710-0/ hmm

[latent mural]

guys this is my configuration i7 10700k ram corsai but are they are flawed mobo z490 f gaming asus rog strix and 2060 tuf gaming what i can upgrade and what do i replace with?

[vagrant pagoda]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUbPuZQe-O0

[halcyon moss]

Ah the cyclical whining of price of a console. In a year or 2 we will have pc that perform better for less. that will last a bit and then the new gen will reverse it agian

[fair gull]

its almost like it depends on when it was engineered and released huh

[reef patrol]

And yet throughout that entire period, gaming PCs will still be able to play basically any older title ever made, and serve as a production platform as well, not just entertainment 😄

[old marlin]

Gl beating the series x in price / gaming performance

Already 2 years old

[ashen spindle]

Not hard https://t.co/k5WqGehG8F

Wait a bit for better apus and it gets obliterated with zen4/rdna3 apu

[old marlin]

That doesn't have nearly as much gpu power though?

[ashen spindle]

we get the mobile parts that have better igpu this year and ddr5 prices is going down further

so you will be able to have a 400$ pc with better $/fps

or a 12100f which is going closer for 100$ and last gen dgpu when this gens midrange comes out could also do it

[reef patrol]

LTT did a test recently. Apparently the Apple TV's outputs suck?

Well technically MA* did.

[shadow minnow]

If you just want to play game in many cases console can be a good choice imo

Especially if you are like a teenager

[ashen spindle]

which nobody argued against

for just games its a great value and just is a cycle and every few years console or pc has better value for the some money and then it flips

and then we get to some point in the future where console and pc will be the same thing

[sharp badger]

But don't know what Codecs the Xbox can support compared to the Apple TV

[reef patrol]

Turn it into dev mode and do whatever the hell you please.

Just can't play retail games.

[cursive summit]

New gpu announcement from Nvidia

Ngl seems like a decent card

140$?

Tbf would be good to run raytraced minecraft

Prolly the next 1050ti

[sharp badger]

You do know what day it is? 👀

[cursive summit]

March 32nd obviously

That 4040ti still looks like a good budget offering

Assuming it's 140$ or so

Need to budge out the 1060 and 1050 owners

How much VRAM would be enough for entry level gaming

6Gb g6?

[shadow minnow]

The 2d GPU in my stm32h747 would probably perform better than that

[cursive summit]

Or even g5

[rough osprey]

6.1gb

[cursive summit]

Fair enough

[rough osprey]

has to be an upgrade

[shadow minnow]

6Gb is not a lot ngl

I’d prefer 6GB

I think itd be the other way around

[rough osprey]

use virtual ram for gpu

[cursive summit]

Taking the big little concept to save costs

[shadow minnow]

Just download more ram for the GPU ikr

[cursive summit]

4GB of GDDR5 and 2 of GDDR6 for the heavy stuff

Can't be mad at it honestly

[shadow minnow]

I’d prefer 4GB of DDR3 and 2GB of GDDR5

[rough osprey]

cloud storage 😀

[shadow minnow]

Or SDR?

[thick elk]

Realistically it would be terrible as you need a memory controller that deals with both at the same time

not a very efficient sollution

[cursive summit]

Ngl, Nvidia should release a 4050 that should feature 24 Gb of VRAM, but in reality it's just 3GB cause they didn't capitalize the B on purpose

It's not false advertising if it's true

[rough osprey]

24gb but raid 6

[cursive summit]

Nah that would cost too much

Nvidia is all about squeezing every penny imaginable out of you

[fickle ore]

https://www.reddit.com/r/hardware/comments/128fww7/arc_battlemage_preliminary_specs_between_4070ti/

[ashen spindle]

look at the source, not reliable

[fickle ore]

just because it's not a common source? 😛

[ashen spindle]

no because RGT is a source that has not had any actual leaks that were accurate or first from him since probably zen2

that is quite the low track record

its a channel with daily videos that just always talks about latest leaks and all but its just an aggerate of infos from other public posts

and when nothing new is there its just the same info looked at differently to make a new video

[fickle ore]

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/dx12-optimization-cpu-gpu-access-vram-simultaneously?utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=socialflow

NOICE

[eternal pawn]

Hello, I wanted to ask how to lock the Windows key

[ashen spindle]

quickstart guide

[fickle ore]

Just entertain the thought

near 4070 ti would be pog

[cursive summit]

Not to mention it's Raja's last product and oh look it's literally Radeon 7 but Intel

Yeah Moores law and RGT are just speculation channels

[ashen spindle]

its not rajas last product lol

[fickle ore]

we dont care abouit the performance but the ratio of per/$

[ashen spindle]

celestial is more raja than alchemist likely

[cursive summit]

More interesting to see what Komachi or that other Twitter lad are saying

What's the nvidia shill

[ashen spindle]

for more power at same cost again? 1-2Q before blackwell release?

not really pog in my eyes

[cursive summit]

As long as they do 4070Ti for 300$ there is nothing wrong with that

[eternal pawn]

I don't have the first combination of keys and the second doesn't work

[cursive summit]

Providing higher end card power for 50% less is acceptable

[fickle ore]

obviously lower cost wtf

[ashen spindle]

https://next.wooting.io/wooting-60he-quickstart

[cursive summit]

60% keyboard problems ftw

[ashen spindle]

why lower cost, current gen is only cheaper after it's been out for months xD and only because they are forcing it despite losing shit ton of money on it

[cursive summit]

Had the chance to get a 6800XT for 420€ today

Kinda decided to pass on it

Though sad cause that card is god tier still

[fickle ore]

why wouldnt they....

[ashen spindle]

because they cant bleed money forever?

[cursive summit]

Are you saying A770/750 isn't profitable?

[ashen spindle]

look at the die sizes lol

[cursive summit]

What are your sources, though

[fickle ore]

They're already gaining marketshare and have the same % as AMD rn

[cursive summit]

Anyone crunched the numbers?

[fickle ore]

once battlemage releases its game over for amd

[cursive summit]

Nah

[fickle ore]

yep

[cursive summit]

Radeon 8000 will be competing with battlemage

[ashen spindle]

??? sources for the chip being massive compared to what amd and nvidia on same nodes use? that is public info

[cursive summit]

No chance Intel will compete with mid/high end radeon 8000

Let alone NV

[cursive summit]

Again, do you have any numbers there to back up the claim Intel's losing money?

[fickle ore]

They already passed them on MS

[ashen spindle]

its a 406 vs 237mm^2 die on the same node and intel is not going to pay less to tsmc than amd is

[cursive summit]

7000 series is not even out fully yet

Let's see what power the lower end current gen AMD models have and their pricing

[fickle ore]

COPIUM

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Budget cards are in demand, and Intel has the better offering

7600XT will fix that and that's not up for debate

[fickle ore]

AMD just fails to grab marketshare no matter what, even when they price low or high

Intel already passed them and their offering sucks rn

[ashen spindle]

as for numbers if you want them where graphics is losing them money

q4 same thing

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"Inventory reserves"

[fickle ore]

Yeah obv the costs are high when you're starting lmao

[cursive summit]

That just sounds like they printed out too many cards

[ashen spindle]

they are having more losses every quarter

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And didn't sell enough

[ashen spindle]

this is not startup cost to make then thing before it sells

[fickle ore]

They can be the only one to compete with NVDA sadly

AMD sux

they cant get their software up to date

[cursive summit]

Dag, you need to go to sleep

You know nothing, Jon Snow

[fickle ore]

What has sleep got to do with anything here

[ashen spindle]

if rdna4 has fails and intel somehow executes on time yes they can start clawing some marketshare in the low and mid segment

[fickle ore]

Sorry I pissed in your cereals

[cursive summit]

I mean, you clearly don't know much if you say this type of stuff

[ashen spindle]

but like, amd has more money than in previous gens and has a better track record, intels record so far is that months later it works for the most part finally

[fickle ore]

Lol ad hominem u dork

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Intel has a lot of catching up to do

[fickle ore]

Just bc I dont agree with ur opinion xD

[cursive summit]

That hardware is unstable

[fickle ore]

ur fool

[cursive summit]

And perf is meh

If they genuinely think that Battlemage can compete with Radeon 8000 and Nvidia 5000 then I have doubts for their Arc division in pure gaming department

They could do well as an IEM/server GPU thing

But gaming is a lot of work

Then again gaming isn't truly where the money's at

[fickle ore]

AMD has tried for years and they cant' get their software up to par, whether that is the reason or the perception of most people, they aren't going anywhere

[cursive summit]

Enterprise always takes priority

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You nut AMD has best software rn they had in decades

Drivers are getting better and better

[fickle ore]

stop coping, they still suck. they might be improving but still garbo tier

[ashen spindle]

they are lacking fake frames and video upscaling, but thats all

[cursive summit]

Happy April 1st, Dag

[fickle ore]

Like the new dx12 features 1-2 days ago that was posted here, Intel and nvda already have that available in public driver and AMD doesnt Lmao

😄

sad

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Anyways I just want them to compete better against NV's CUDA

That's all I need from them

Nvidia just feels like they have free reign in the professional market

[ashen spindle]

you mean the agility sdk feature that will need years to be in any game?

who cares if you can use it day one on release as a dev

[fickle ore]

I dont, but it tells loads of the software state

[ashen spindle]

not really

[fickle ore]

AMD has been decades on the bis and Intel is still releasing features faster

It's super sad

[cursive summit]

I am more interested in Fidelity SDK

Does Nvidia have anything remotely similar to Fidelity SDK?

[ashen spindle]

features that dont work but you can use them, ok what benefit does that bring?

[cursive summit]

What happened to Nvidia's hairworks anyways

Anyone heard about it anytime recently?

FidelityFX is actually being used by more and more peeps

AMD has the edge in some cases

[fickle ore]

That is beside the point. You could insert whatever new feature that WOULD matter

The reason is Intel has it already out there

so does nvda

[ashen spindle]

except there is no feature that matters that amd doesnt have

[fickle ore]

Amd just sucks at software

[cursive summit]

Last I heard Intel's features that matter, actually suck

Like XeSS

Now that is a joke and a half

At least you can FSR2, probably

Or is that also broken on Intel's cards?

[ashen spindle]

remember them being big on how XeSS is going to be open source?

still closed

[fickle ore]

I mean atleast they are on their 1st gen, which can't be said for AMD 😄

[ashen spindle]

not their first gen though

[fickle ore]

which highlights even more how bad amd sucks

[cursive summit]

I am genuinely hoping Dag is on the april 1st spirit today

And just wants to cause some commotion for fun

[ashen spindle]

Itanium, xeon phi, that is what was supposed to be gpu in the past and got canned and repurposed

and they used that so its not their first dive in

also igpus

[fickle ore]

No, AMD are idiots, not my problem they cant fix their shit

[cursive summit]

They.. fix their shit?

What haven't they fixed

[fickle ore]

I'll root for them when they deserve it like they did with zen's on 3rd gen

[cursive summit]

??

[fickle ore]

zen1/2 was just terrible

[cursive summit]

6000 series was an amazing card launch

If anything they stepped back with 7000

Drivers were fixed with 6000 and constantly improving

Software is also on-par-ish with NV

Like, what are you genuinely complaining about

AMD launched a new driver for GPUs like 3 days ago

[fickle ore]

god damn dude you're coping, the only reason to buy them is price/perf they had going for them in the 6xxx series

[ashen spindle]

see the issue is intel needs to catch up a lot to make money and not keep it a loss

they dont just need to keep it like they have now

on cpu side they can eat margins to beat zen4 in cost by having their own foundry and get low cost there

gpus they pay more for the same silicon and currently use like 2x as much for the same performance

[fickle ore]

Yeah that's business 101, we can hope they can invest some extra for R/D to become one now that they slashed the div from 5% to 2% and get the CHIPS act funds

[cursive summit]

How much is Intel genuinely losing per card

They stack a bit too much memory into them

[ashen spindle]

as if anyone could tell you the exact numbers

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But other than that they still sell like 300€ rn

They don't make a loss on them, I don't think

[ashen spindle]

if not the gpu sales what else is causing AXG to be more and more in the red each quarter lol

[cursive summit]

Just not enough sales cause people aren't fully sure of how good their drivers are, there were and still are lots of bad stories

Intel overstocked and can't sell em off, people ain't buying

6650XT or 3060Ti is just a more reliable purchase

[fickle ore]

They can sell at loss

they just need ms% now

[cursive summit]

What does marketshare matter for

DLC sales?