That's like saying AI art gets you a better picture in a way
#๐โtech
pale sigil
not a real pic then
ashen spindle
imo as usual itโs a middle ground, it should be clear if itโs changed from what the camera sees, optional setting but many people that complain wouldnโt actually care either way and just like to be outraged
mossy plinth
We're at the point with a lot of AI solutions that as long as the subject of the photo is identifiable we can fill in the blanks and give it more information
fair gull
imo as usual itโs a middle ground, it should be clear if itโs changed from what ...
pretty sure you can disable the scene optimizer on samsung
ashen spindle
I mean that doesnโt really tell you what it does or is there some hidden tooltip?
reef patrol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibEN9FTLdkI
Jank but interesting look at an earlier alternative to OLED.
fair gull
sadly dont have a new sumsum to compare
tame hedge
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibEN9FTLdkI
Jank but interesting look at an earl...
that's his entire channel tbf
interesting generally-impractical jank
reef patrol
Yeah that's fair. I meant the final product compared to his usual work though. Very prototype in nature with those 120mm fans at the back and all ๐
ashen spindle
one thing I am taking away from it though is that I hope we aren't losing out on some actual good tech because manufacturers would be worried a thicker display wouldn't sell
like I wouldn't care if my screen is twice as thick as his DIY solution if it would give any benefit
tame hedge
note the power consumption :^
ashen spindle
well I mean in general, not this exact approach xD
always fun to see these projects though
old marlin
they are fun to see
like his projects are usually pretty interesting
but most of them are so scuffed
astral haven
note the power consumption :^
Dllcds are in wide use in industry and are insanely inefficient
ashen spindle
Think they power consumption was about the DIY solution being high, since that is obviously not optimized in any way
tame hedge
Dllcds are in wide use in industry and are insanely inefficient
๐
That^ just proved my point btw
I didn't say them as a concept were impractical either, just that his DIY version was
ashen spindle
max is a really bad example though
astral haven
Think they power consumption was about the DIY solution being high, since that i...
Unfortunately that's not the problem
The absolute max (theoretical) efficiency of a dllcd for pure white is 1/16th the light of the backlight
Often much much worse
ashen spindle
oh misread your sentence and thought it said efficent and not inefficent
havent had time to look at the link yet
tame hedge
max is a really bad example though
It would mean 100% brightness no?
The one in the video used like 250W for the lights & this is higher 
tame hedge
oh misread your sentence and thought it said efficent and not inefficent
oh, same
lmfao im illiterate
astral haven
It would mean 100% brightness no?
The one in the video used like 250W for the li...
Actually no quite the opposite in fact
tame hedge
...the 450W peak power usage would be when the LEDs are off?
tame hedge
exactly what im saying. you said the peak is the opposite of 100% brightness
astral haven
Potentially fixable but they don't do that for those monitors
The difference between peak and minimum power consumption is probably quite minimal
tame hedge
Eh, not sure I'd agree there
astral haven
Obviously lowering overall brightness can fix
But it costs energy to hold the LCD in the bent position
tame hedge
probably still >100W but 450W is a huge number, and a lot of it is probably going to the lights
ashen spindle
if they dont ever turn them off yeah, but in theory you can, like the max powerdraw on my oled is 200W, in reality it's more like 50-60 if I play a game and dont get flashbanged
tame hedge
well
ashen spindle
though oled is obviously a bit more different
tame hedge
LCDs dont work that way
astral haven
probably still >100W but 450W is a huge number, and a lot of it is probably goin...
It's actually not that bad
99+% of the energy goes to the lights
tame hedge
if they dont ever turn them off yeah, but in theory you can, like the max powerd...
OLEDs can change the brightness (read: power) of each individual pixel, so darker scenes are more efficient
astral haven
If you need to display 1000 nits anywhere on screen your backlight needs to emit 16000 nits across the entire screen
tame hedge
but if you're on a LCD, it doesn't matter if the screen is #ffffff or #111111, it's gonna use an effectively identical amount of power
because all that's changing is the orientation of crystals
astral haven
That's not exactly true, LCDs consume power to set the color of the screen
tame hedge
'effectively'
astral haven
It's close enough to be irrelevant
tame hedge
hence 'effectively'
when with OLED it would make a material difference to power usage
astral haven
Btw current oleds are extremely inefficient
tame hedge
weird question and I mean this in the nicest way possible, but do you perchance have autism as well? @astral haven
reef patrol
Btw current oleds are extremely inefficient
I mean... my Ultrawide VA has the worst possible energy rating my country provides ๐
astral haven
weird question and I mean this in the nicest way possible, but do you perchance ...
๐คทโโ๏ธ apparently not
Tho i get that alot
astral haven
I mean... my Ultrawide VA has the worst possible energy rating my country provid...
Vas are relatively inefficient, but strike a balance between OLED and tn
ashen spindle
dont think any halfway decent monitor that is ultrawide has a better energy rating since those ratings dont make a lot of sense imo
astral haven
Yea
the ratings are for the whole monitor too, and many oleds include power and screensaving features that LCDs don't have or need
tame hedge
something something "ABL sucks"
astral haven
Also vas are significantly more directed light wise
Off axis performance of vas is the worst
That's another disadvantage for oleds tho
If you can't tell im a fald va shill
God I wish Samsung would stop making buggy monitors
ashen spindle
well the label is also relative in the category so ofc a oled with max 200w will have a G rating even if in reality it never goes there and also is compared to some really low class screen that is unuseable but efficent
for a fridge it makes sense, for monitors I think its just a waste of work to give it a label like that
astral haven
Yep
Even with a fridge tho
If it comes down to temp in 1 minute and stays at temp for 24 hours it'll have a worse score than one that comes down to temp in 10 but only stays for 12 hours
Assuming identical efficiency
ashen spindle
yeah I think most kitchen stuff all has A rating anyway so its pointless
and like we see for monitors, UW gaming screen uses more than 1080p budget office screen, not very helpful
astral haven
Also I really hate light efficiency ratings based on lumens per watt
It highly incentivises extremely low CRI bulbs
And I've never had it produce anything that I couldnt work with
Well yes
It's not for analog restoration...
But also there are so many sliders that you have to mess with
It might work well for that stuff but that would take a lot of work
It's mostly for highly aliased renders and photos with uniform artifacts across the screen
Like terrible lenses
It takes time to learn it...
Nah but you have to put in at least a few hours of messing with settings
It also really wants an Nvidia tensor GPU or an Intel GPU
And a bunch of vram
Might not work well with optimus
final flame
One of the reasons why film is great
Low resolution upscaled digital video will never be able to get the same level of detail as film will that is older
reef patrol
On the other hand it won't degrade unlike film.
astral haven
For now
astral haven
Low resolution upscaled digital video will never be able to get the same level o...
Highly depends
Screw super 16 that stuff was awful
final flame
The documentary "They shall not grow old" it's real film footage from ww1
astral haven
That's nice
But it's not nescessary any more
People can make a better movie with 2 GoPro's than the equivalent in film
final flame
Because film tech doesn't get funding anymore 
astral haven
You say that but there's probably more film being used now than there was before the 50s
We also understand far more about film now than was ever known
Iso 800 film is super easy to get, and the most accurate 35mm film ever is still being produced by Kodak
old marlin
while I didn't like that particular adaptation
it is a topic that is rarely documented in international media
so it somewhat makes sense that it got a lot of attention
frozen ingot
good movie
there was cgi?
apart from the tank scene I can't think of that many standout visual effects being used
pale sigil
autumn igloo
๐ฟ
old marlin
msi ๐ ๐ ๐
pale sigil
my room would give you a heart attack
reef patrol
Siht Xat. My favourite composer.
ashen spindle
clearance sale of the 7700x before 7800x3d makes it obsolete heh
vagrant pagoda
clearance sale of the 7700x before 7800x3d makes it obsolete heh
Yeah at least the 5800x3d is good for am4, the 7800x3d gonna kill the stack over then the 7950x3d
halcyon moss
my room would give you a heart attack
Clean yer shit
final flame
Anyone have any suggestions for keeping a room dust free? I keep on dusting and new dust falls into its place 
This is what I'm working with
Rn I'm cleaning the desk tomorrow the pc
Would using a humidifier help?
true quest
Anyone have any suggestions for keeping a room dust free? I keep on dusting and ...
you will never prevent it from happening
all you can do is clean periodically
mild dome
Phillips and Samsung have some of the best performers
tribal dirge
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/us-destroy-taiwans-semiconductor-factories-172312...
Oh yeah, once Intel gets that chip factory up and running, they will for sure disrupt TSMC.
vagrant pagoda
Tsmc is building us and japan
tribal dirge
Only thing is is will Intel match or beat TSMCs quality control?
ashen spindle
intel getting a new factory running doesnt make it so they suddenly have node leadership again lol
the questions is will intels node even work
latent mural
R there any anime keycaps to use w the wooting 60he? I'm new to keyboards n I wanted to customize mine
crisp granite
wrong place to ask and wrong question
misty saffron
please recommend a scripting engine to embed in a c++ app
iโve tried chaiscript but itโs SO fucking slow
ashen spindle
no clue but I can recommend you this if you want to optimize your sound in c++ https://twitter.com/fransbouma/status/1635197597399887874
Twitter
grim mulch
please recommend a scripting engine to embed in a c++ app
lua is the golden standard for scripts
pale sigil
wtf lol
misty saffron
no clue but I can recommend you this if you want to optimize your sound in c++ h...
LMFAO
also most players use malloc to get memory while new is the c++ method and sounds better.
Yeah it was a real discussion, look at the fucking reply chain length and Linux build question lmfao
grim mulch
LMFAO
```found that a function called memcpy was the culprit, most memory player...
digital is digital
i dont understand audiophiles and their snakewater
final flame
digital would be digital if there was no processing inbetween
there's stuff like resampling that happens quite often when it comes to processing digital sound
ideally you'd have no alteration to the digital data from your pc to your dac chip but that sadly isn't always the case
grim mulch
digital would be digital if there was no processing inbetween
yes, processing can cause alterations in sound. but what the guy is talking about, the function memcpy, is literally just copying data from one memory location to another. there is no processing involved of the data itself
astral haven
yes, processing can cause alterations in sound. but what the guy is talking abou...
My theory is they have insanely slow computers that cause an audio interruption because of the amount of time it takes to run the function
chrome estuary
It's what happens when you spend 15 thousand dollars on audio equipment for a PC from the 90s
frozen ingot
what's the point of digital i/o if they slap processing algo bs on them
worldly holly
I confirmed my address and est delivery increased is it still accurate?
reef patrol
I confirmed my address and est delivery increased is it still accurate?
It is inconsequential, since the courier in charge of delivering your package are ultimately in charge of the delivery date once they pick up the package. Our estimate is entirely based on a historical average and assumptions ๐
shadow minnow
That is funny
halcyon moss
samsung's advanced image processing, by recognizing a moon and "replacing" it with a higher quality asset
much outrage, little impact on actual photos
tame hedge
samsung's advanced image processing, by recognizing a moon and "replacing" it wi...
replacing with an asset implies that it's overlaying something else, instead of heavily enhancing with AI
isn't the image... a photo focused on the phone, with the moon in the background out of focus?
halcyon moss
above: its a purposely blurred image of the moon above, and below after the processing, the details were never there
tame hedge
above: its a purposely blurred image of the moon above, and below after the proc...
Thank you for the context
halcyon moss
on a sumsung phone? a south korean brand?
tame hedge
it's less replace, more upscale
shadow minnow
above: its a purposely blurred image of the moon above, and below after the proc...
Nono, basically, both were as blurred as the top one, this is one photo, but Samsung recognized the bottom one as moon and improved it, while it didnโt recognize the top one
And thatโs the difference
tame hedge
ah
true quest
feed it some censored hentai
halcyon moss
Nono, basically, both were as blurred as the top one, this is one photo, but Sam...
yeah that is a better explanation of what i was trying to explain
lofty pivot
Big respect for not taking the money and calling it for Linus actually
ashen spindle
which money is he not taking?
reef patrol
At this point I wish I could just hide the clickbait LTT video titles and watch the videos blind.
Cause it's god awful and predatory af now.
lofty pivot
which money is he not taking?
he leaked they got a triple digit million dollar offer for linus tech tips
so something in the 100+ million range
i'm sure he's already set for life with the way the company is already set up, but still big difference between multi millionaire and "i have $50 million in the bank - cash"
mossy plinth
But if it's Canadian Dollars it's not that much right? /s
mossy plinth
At this point I wish I could just hide the clickbait LTT video titles and watch ...
I just click on them as long as they aren't the livestream videos and put it on in the background
What's funny is when I used vanced on my mobile it shortens their 10-15 min videos to like 5-8min
frozen ingot
i typically fall asleep to some random yt video and I swear like 8 out of 10 times for the last year or so the next video yt jumps to is a wan show episode
mossy plinth
They know that people fall asleep to WAN show because it's so boring /s
ashen spindle
I just look every couple days what the new videos are and if they seem interresting I take a peak at 2x speed so it's some nice background noise
mossy plinth
I just put the WAN show on in the background in the morning as I get ready for work. keeps me up to date with the weekly tech news and is good background noise
frozen ingot
it can be occasionally interesting but yeah the episodes can be rather drawn out to say the least 
lofty pivot
it's the stupid algo on youtube, iirc linus media tested doing non clickbait title/thumbnail and their views and ad revenue got likle halved
mossy plinth
Oh yeah when it comes to clickbait you have to do it and even change the thumbnail a few times for it to do well
reef patrol
Write me up as "I don't give a shit" ๐
ashen spindle
oh yeah it's what they have to do sadly
reef patrol
Their clickbait titles are actively removing me from the watchlist.
mossy plinth
Its either do that or go into obscurity
reef patrol
goes back to boomer ranting in a corner
ashen spindle
*goes back to boomer ranting in a corner*
go complain to youtube lana, we cant fix the algo ๐
reef patrol
If LTT - One of the largest channels on the literal website refuse to change things, and instead be part of the problem, there's no resolution in sight.
frozen ingot
yeah I know a mate who rants about how annoying their titles/thumbnails are and I keep reminding him its youtube that's the culprit
reef patrol
The obvious choice is to just hide thumbnails and unsubscribe to cancer channels. I highly recommend it - very carthargic.
lofty pivot
there's no real change they can make honestly, if they change the algo just recommends someone else over them
mossy plinth
Youtube already hides channels if you don't watch them for a while
lofty pivot
it's like when jayz2cents tried to do his podcast thing and it destroyed his channel views
reef patrol
Youtube already hides channels if you don't watch them for a while
I'm oldschool - I don't use the algorithm at all. I have the subscriptions page and that's it.
frozen ingot
I've come to terms with the sad reality that people on average is drawn to garbage content
ashen spindle
I uh, dont think LTT is even close to be one of the largest channels if we look relative to the big ones and not relative to the 1 subscriber channels
frozen ingot
and content wrapped up in garbage looking titles/thumbs
reef patrol
I uh, dont think LTT is even close to be one of the largest channels if we look ...
Culturally relevant. Whatever.
mossy plinth
Yeah I used to use the subscriptions page to figure out what to watch but I ended up with hours of stuff to watch every day 
ashen spindle
that doesnt change their relative size and thus the impact they would make
they would just die out, youtube wouldn't change for them
frozen ingot
Youtube already hides channels if you don't watch them for a while
sometimes after just a week or so for me
but click on some random recommendation by accident once and it'll push that shit in your face for like a month sometimes until it gives up 
reef patrol
Embrace jank revolution - Honestly I should look for a tampermonkey script that just turns it into an RSS feed list or something at this point xD
ashen spindle
just ask AI to make you a script that hides it, or make it so an adblocker hides the thumbnail xD
reef patrol
That's what I already did though?
This is literally just the sub page without thumbs ๐
mossy plinth
I get so much stuff in my subscriptions that I just don't care about anymore
What doesn't help is shorts show up in there, schedules show up and livestreams too.
reef patrol
What doesn't help is shorts show up in there, schedules show up and livestreams ...
No they don't. You're looking at the HOME page.
vagrant pagoda
I'm oldschool - I don't use the algorithm at all. I have the subscriptions page ...
I regularly have things not show up in subs
reef patrol
See above.
vagrant pagoda
?
mossy plinth
No they don't. You're looking at the HOME page.
My Subscriptions do
vagrant pagoda
And shorts def show up in subs
reef patrol
Well that is scary - Nothing here ever. I literally have to go to the home page to get to shorts.
mossy plinth
Do you follow any creators that do shorts?
reef patrol
Oh nevermind - Apparently I added a block for them ages ago via uBlock ๐
mossy plinth
lmao
reef patrol
(I highly recommend it for your sanity)
Which reminds me I still need to block those godawful live and "THIS WILL APPEAR IN THREE WEEKS" scheduled videos.
mossy plinth
I don't mind shorts in all honesty, though I do regularly partake in Instagram Reels scrolling
My sanity disappeared long ago
mossy plinth
Yeah I prefer Instagrams, especially with how it reccomends stuff I actually watch.
reef patrol
Don't even use Insta.
ashen spindle
if shorts had a volume option and a speed option and a timeline so I could select the time it starts it or replay it
then it would be fine
why take those ui options away on desktop makes no sense to me
mobile w/e dont care
tropic nacelle
This shorts nonsense needs to stop or am I now part of the old generation at 30??
It's just full of junk, rarely anything useful but maybe that's just me getting bored of it all. It's like the daytime TV you used to watch when you didn't work or anything
crimson wigeon
Shorts are fucking dumb vertical video is the dumbest thing ever what happened to making fun of those who do vertical videos
reef patrol
This shorts nonsense needs to stop or am I now part of the old generation at 30?...
Once in a blue moon there's real gold.
mossy plinth
At the end of the day what's the point in any video content? Entertainment.
You might not find it entertaining but the algorithm will try its best to find stuff you'll find entertaining
reef patrol
But a LOT of it is just reposted garbage from TikTok, i.e. "let's do this trend of doing this specific thing, with this specific remixed music track in the background" over and over and over.
Or they break down a 5 minute video into 6 separate shorts, but YT doesn't have the ability to link up videos so you get part 3 out of the blue, then if you're lucky part 1 three years later at random.
tropic nacelle
Not true, there is a mix of entertainment and informative content (or should be?).
The ones I don't get is people pulling "pranks" in pure staged fashion, how is it funny?
The music over a terrible scene ๐
reef patrol
YT also has ZERO tag control. And it hooks on HARD if it spots something.
If you accidentally watch a video for a few seconds too long, or watch it to the end, then YT assumes you want to see ANYTHING REMOTELY RELATED:
tropic nacelle
YT also has ZERO tag control. And it hooks on HARD if it spots something.
If yo...
Into the recommendation abyss, it's horrible.
mossy plinth
Instagrams algorithm for reccomending their reels is quite good, I don't use youtubes though
The algorithms will just keep reccomending you similar content to stuff you have already watched
maiden ice
YT also has ZERO tag control. And it hooks on HARD if it spots something.
If yo...
Worst system ever here
mossy plinth
When you first use it, it will be quite broad and varied until it knows your preference
reef patrol
Example: I watched a short clip of something that had Darude Sandstorm as the track. For the next week it would constantly throw me all manner of random shit at me with NO relation except "oh yeah same music track" and you cannot block tags, only channels.
And since a LOT of content is taken, changed and reuploaded you keep getting it.
I've genuinely given up on blocking Joe Rogan videos - I have over a hundred channels blocked, and it keeps popping up because I can't block "#joerogan only the channel.
maiden ice
Reason why I never use anything like shorts
Bad system and just a unnecessary time sink
old marlin
does he
wheat plume
I'd not be surprised if Linus wanted to put another gaming computer into his garden shed
old marlin
prob even linus would question the usability
reef patrol
Linus doesn't question sponsorship deals. That's the magic of not doing REVIEWS ๐
ashen spindle
they could use that for their 100g cable to the other building I guess?
old marlin
a longer qsfp cable is cheaper than putting a switch inbetween
only exception COULD be if the distance is one that could be done with 2 copper cables
but even then
ashen spindle
well they did the over wifi thing once from one roof to the other
old marlin
yea which you don't need 100g qsfp for
ashen spindle
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ better to have products that are better than needed than not having hardware existing for it
especially with speeds still going up in the future
old marlin
yea but to get from the 100g qsfp to 10g ethernet you don't just use an adapter cable
and 100g networking is mad expensive as well
so while the switch "only" costs 900 USD
you can easily add that for some brand qsfp modules
mossy plinth
It's essentially screenshotting a password
wheat plume
LOL, Tiktok has a keylogger
empty wren
Though some apps like do silly stuff and turn that screen like say in recents black
ashen spindle
that is not really a keylogger that is what every app does literally when you use it
wheat plume
hmmm
ashen spindle
keylogger logs what you do for other apps generally
any app sees what you do in the app itself
reef patrol
TikTok logs a ton of shit it shouldn't - There's a reason why so many state officials are outright banning or at the very least HIGHLY recommending people stop having it on their devices.
ashen spindle
its like youtube saying they log what video you click next to make recommendations better
wheat plume
im glad I dont like social media, except Discord cause I dont go on random servers
ashen spindle
youtube does the same amount of "keylogging" as tiktok says there
now titktok spying on more is something else, but that is not what they admit to in their own words
maiden ice
why do companies even "keylog"
frozen ingot
tiktok logs everything the chinese gov needs it to
wheat plume
xd
maiden ice
why do they need to know what i search?
ashen spindle
so they can see if their search works and make it better
frozen ingot
why do companies even "keylog"
"improving the user experience by tailoring the content to your personal tastes" or something along those lines
ashen spindle
if someone searches for "funny cats video 2023" as the top search they know cats are popular and make that show up more etc.
maiden ice
it would be funny to set up a bunch of bots to search of random stuff to mess with the algorithm
frozen ingot
also that data is super valuable to advertisers
maiden ice
see how it works
ashen spindle
since it also has random results and a/b testing you wont get much from it
maiden ice
fair
frozen ingot
yeah these things are quite sophisticated these days
wheat plume
I love how cnet has become the standard website to test adblocking :')
frozen ingot
and that's underselling it
maiden ice
I love how cnet has become the standard website to test adblocking :')
cnet?
maiden ice
who doesn't?
ashen spindle
if you dont enable hardware acceleration those wont run on your gpu by default
halcyon moss
why do companies even "keylog"
let me introduce this marketing tool, hotjar https://www.hotjar.com/
wheat plume
oh yeah
halcyon moss
this tool basically records everything you do on the website its integrated in. mouse position, keys, viewport...
wheat plume
I love that you can automatically tell the Pi to connec to wifi when you flash the OS to the SD card
makes it so easy to use the Pi
mossy plinth
this tool basically records everything you do on the website its integrated in. ...
That or some form of it is used on most webpages now unless you block JS iirc
reef patrol
makes it so easy to use the Pi
Now if only you could change the boot screen. Been waiting on that for... years.
wheat plume
the rainbow screen?
reef patrol
Mhmm.
I'd settle for a blank static image until it boots into something else. Just to keep it retro friendly.
Like say... a gutted Macintosh Plus that definitely wasn't in colour, or had such a weird boot screen ๐
Or just... stay black and blank till you're booted.
wheat plume
cant see the icon as anything other than a computer chip xd
with oddlyangled legs xd
reef patrol
They're beams of light.
wheat plume
I know xd
old marlin
https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-splits-geforce-rtx-4070-review-embargo-to-msrp-and-non-msrp-cards
that's always a good sign
astral haven
sigh great
im glad im not interested in a gpu from this gen
frozen ingot
doubt the trend will reverse for next gen
tame hedge
that's always a good sign
I'm confused, what will this accomplish / why is it worth caring about?
fwiw i am the type of person who thinks spending more than MSRP is silly unless you're an XOCer
ashen spindle
Itโs the same as it has been for the last release for Nvidia
Makes it so they look at FE cards at msrp regardless of how real pricing will be
When you might not find any cards at that price after 5 seconds
gusty kiln
Also one of the reasons Evga peaced out
Ima guess the 4070 fe is going to be 599, but real msrp is 649
50 savings over the 3080
For same performance, womp womp
frozen ingot
seen some rumors of 4xxx series cards not selling that great
empty wren
seen some rumors of 4xxx series cards not selling that great
Whoda thunk when they cost so much
At least Walmart lowered the price of rggs
$2 now
Just weird timing with all these flus
Trains going off rails
Some tech banks shutting down
mossy plinth
all stuff because of how things were done in the past. It's just coming to bite people back in the ass
empty wren
Well the thing with the trains, three come off the rails, each day a new state
astral haven
and banks are because alot of banks have been used to zero interest and if the only thing you own are long term zero interest bonds, they cratered in value when the interest rates started to rise
get a better voip provider
empty wren
Just use ai enchantment
mossy plinth
What's your use case/scenario?
ashen spindle
Lol I guess this is quite timely given we talked about Nvidia drivers reliability, guessing removing known issues from the list does make it look better lel https://twitter.com/sebasti66855537/status/1635659998695915520
mossy plinth
I meant your use case or needs. I'm guessing remote areas needing communication then?
astral haven
Lol I guess this is quite timely given we talked about Nvidia drivers reliabilit...
dpc latency isnt an issue tho, they probably looked at it and realized it was at worst a symptom of an issue and not an actual thing to fix
mossy plinth
I'm surprised cell towers aren't more wide spread worldwide considering how far they can work and how good 4G is.
astral haven
if theres noone who lives there theres noone to lobby to get the towers installed
subtle jolt
money to maintain it too
mossy plinth
Europe just be different I guess.
ashen spindle
Meh, they mustโve thought it was a thing for months to keep it on the list to suddenly see it doesnโt do anything? Sounds weird
mossy plinth
I remember being in a field in Poland away from civilization and getting 4G and just being shocked that was possible
astral haven
right next to my town theres a set of hills, then another set of hills before the next liveable area
the valley between the two is a complete dead zone
astral haven
Meh, they mustโve thought it was a thing for months to keep it on the list to su...
people complained enough to get it on, then some higherup struck it from the list
wise crater
Is there a new version off the wooting comming?
With a real nice sound (quiter) lower keycaps?๐ฌ
ashen spindle
Just use different keycaps if you donโt like the stock options
Thatโs what the no keycaps option is for
mossy plinth
Are heavier keycaps noticable ๐ค or will they be the same
in terms of actuation speed/force required
astral haven
highly considering getting an inreach messenger for my mom who is the most out and about of my family but daaang is the subscription expensive
mossy plinth
I wonder what an alu keycap is like
astral haven
I want to try the cerakeys
frozen ingot
as long as the alloys doesn't contain magnetic elements
astral haven
they are just a bit too expensive for me /s
crisp granite
Good times
old marlin
They are decent
mossy plinth
What about Resin keycaps?
astral haven
They are decent
including value? lol
crisp granite
โฆyeah thatโs about the one redeeming thing about it
Air travel domestically is faster by days and onlyโฆtwice the price
astral haven
and its only twice the price sometimes
reef patrol
Riposte Sound
crisp granite
Not really, air travel isnโt actually that expensive
reef patrol
crisp granite
Donโt need more than my suitcase full of playboys tbh
And a couple sets of clothes
reef patrol
retreats - defeated - into corner because of unfunny joke
astral haven
it was funny but not funny enough to bother interrupting the other convo
tame hedge
lmao
crisp granite
Or pay for the privilege of a checked bag
Honestly the rule seems so stupid. Whatโs stopping me from breaking a cartridge razor head and stabbing someone with those blades?
Tried to reply to this
Also
Uh
Locke
I use these when travelling: https://www.fendrihan.ca/products/kai-s-gold-disposable-single-blade-razor-10-pack
Not the nicest thing on planet earth but technically meets requirements
I never travel with checked luggage or manage to find DE blades where I go, so they kinda workโฆalthough I hate the amount of plastic waste it generates
ashen spindle
ah thanks youtube for listening to my discord chats I guess lel https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YAZn7Og4yo
interesting data even if I think it's lacking to make either conclusion
astral haven
i dont want to reward the clickbait
tldr?
marsh glade
Shitty title is shitty
ashen spindle
took data from the last year or so about issue, how long they are open, how many are high/medium severe
conclusion is because amd has like 5% more high ranked issues it makes it more likely to feel bad, which uh, is a tough sell since its a personal categorization of issues about severity
but the amount of game vs pro application issues was neat to see, couldn't be bothered to look myself through last years drivers notes and count lol
vagrant pagoda
I never travel with checked luggage or manage to find DE blades where I go, so t...
Never had an issue getting blades
Walmart has them too
Or most barbers
ashen spindle
only looking back to 2022 because thats how far back the nvidia notes went is fair for content piece but not enough to see the big picture imo which is my biggest issue
that's a bit too short term to really show anyhting unless one would be really shitty
astral haven
also most issues arent tracked by the company until a ton of complaining happens
vagrant pagoda
Or pay for the privilege of a checked bag
Honestly the rule seems so stupid. Wh...
I mean you can take 4 inch bladed scissors
I fly carry on with trama shears never had an issue
astral haven
also most issues arent tracked by the company until a ton of complaining happens
especially the blackscreens for vr
vagrant pagoda
I have also 100% flown with a blade in my razor and didn't cause issues lol
ashen spindle
yeye as I said mostly just interresting data to take away from, not encompassing everything
but saw that on home page and though at 2x its just 6min of background noise, not too bad xd
vagrant pagoda
Only thing that always gets me is water in my water bottle lol
Or full size deodorant
ashen spindle
oh gpt-4 is out for gpt plus users
gusty kiln
Wonder when amd will release the rest of navi 3 since the 4070 is petty close
shadow minnow
Oh Tuesday? Thatโs about in 20 gunshot eagles right?
cursive summit
I hope these will be good
My first rodeo with wired IEMs
Crin praised Hexa, so I hope they'll behave well
cursive summit
My timing is always shit though
crisp granite
hopefully the eartips are comfortable
I've had IEMs that were great
apart from that
cursive summit
"Oh, I wanted IEMs for a long time, time to buy one, what's the good thing on the market today"
Places an order
crisp granite
new thing comes out next day
crisp granite
anyway, how have you been, vexxy?
shadow minnow
Literally me with arduino portenta/giga r1 wifi
cursive summit
anyway, how have you been, vexxy?
Eh so so
crisp granite
studies going well?
cursive summit
I'm off meds studs since jan
cursive summit
how have you been keeping occupied?
Game dev
Decided that I should embrace my introvert by virtually shutting off from any outside interference
And just focus on what's important
cursive summit
I had this thing for a while that I materialized in my brain, so trying to realize it
2D roguelike
shadow minnow
Cool cool
cursive summit
Mainly just training my skills before I tackle the real challenges way off
My dream is to remake/spiritually succeed an old cult classic that will never have a sequel, but that's a pretty high budget 3D shooter
Will need way more time to prepare for that sort of projects
final flame
https://twitter.com/MoondropLab/status/1635473585761550337
Interesting
reef patrol
https://videocardz.com/newz/msi-preparing-amd-b650-diy-ape-motherboards-with-con...
DIY
APE
crisp granite
https://videocardz.com/newz/msi-preparing-amd-b650-diy-ape-motherboards-with-con...
holy shit
I need that
in an ITX form factor
so much wasted space behind the motherboard for fans and fan cables
pale sigil
Well, now I use Plex for Disney content too.
serene ore
How old is he ?
astral haven
Still in his 30s
gusty kiln
And dosent do any drugs
yet
crisp granite
...
Locke
I'll have you know it's perfectly normal for kiddos to get an opiate prescription with their wisdom teeth removal or a cough bad enough to warrant prescription cough syrup
I got one for morphine when I got my wisdom teeth removed
just needed ibuprofen and a couple days off
...idk but opioids really serve no use outside of a hospital
can't just make it THAT available to people and then get shocked when they die of a fentanyl overdose on a disgusting couch under a highway
mild dome
true quest
While I was on 3 different ADHD meds
part of a balanced diet
mild dome
The future is going to be AI run fake Twitter2.0 accounts arguing with other AI run fake Twitter2.0 accounts and I gotta wonder how that pans out
true quest
oh man the thought of ai yt bots crossed my mind
as if the regular scripted bots weren't bad enough
true quest
tfw msfs never deleted correctly, and have been wasting all this space for a year
sharp badger
in an ITX form factor
https://www.maxsun.com.cn/2023/0107/5874.html This is the smallest of those boards atm. It's kinda wide so as what was said in the article special cases might need to be used
chrome estuary
can't just make it THAT available to people and then get shocked when they die o...
I know this is a little late to pop into the Convo. But a few years ago I twisted my ankle so badly a chunk of bone broke off from the main assembly and never healed right.
Well I was given fuck all for it and was just told to wrap it up and walk with a cane for a few weeks.
Then I hear of people getting pain meds for the stupidest of shit and I'm just thinking, "I don't want that shit but did I not bitch enough to the doctor?"
Sure yeah it hurt but like... Really? I break/fracture my ankle and it's a whole lotta fuck all but people pull a muscle or whatever and they're throwing pain meds at them?
mild dome
Opiate companies have been pushing really hard to get people addicted, and csn advertise directly to people due to lax US laws
shadow minnow
And then he ended up advertising some dumb meds for money..
wheat plume
Wooting Analog Mouse: The left and right click knows how far you press them
:')
idk how useful that would be
sharp marsh
It doesnโt have to be anything game changing. Just nice and quality.
I dont expect wooting to make a keyboard with a oled screen but i wouldnโt mind a wooting mouse, so unless they only make stuff for ground changing technology, theres plenty of concepts they can play with.
wheat plume
Wooting 65% with volume knob ๐คค
sharp marsh
Iโll pay 300 for that for sure
sharp marsh
Wooting 65% with volume knob ๐คค
70% is better ๐คญ
wheat plume
65 cause I have no desk space xd
tame hedge
65 cause I have no desk space xd
pray for a 30% then ig
tame hedge
if you have no desk space why do you want more of it to be used
sharp marsh
I just want my f keys, i get tired of the game telling me to press f1, or hold, only for me to stop my normal gameplay and have to press FN and 1.
tame hedge
65% doesn't add a F row?
sharp marsh
65% doesn't add a F row?
Some donโt.
wheat plume
I just want my f keys, i get tired of the game telling me to press f1, or hold, ...
use FN toggle :D in game, toggle FN layer for the F row
tame hedge
Some donโt.
all don't
because 65% inherently lacks a FN row
wheat plume
then you wont need to hold FN for the F Row
and you still need to hold FN for any FN layers on the non F row
so you dont do a function instead of a letter xd
ashen spindle
use FN toggle :D in game, toggle FN layer for the F row
would that just make it so you now have to press fn when you want 1 instead of F1? so same thing just other way around
wheat plume
huh?
yeah, but you dont need numbers much in games, maybe minecraft actually
do the FN toggle key as something you can press with one hand and its easy to toggle
ashen spindle
uhh yeah disagree on not needing numbers in games lol
tame hedge
^^
if you use the scroll wheel to switch items.... ouch
minecraft is like the only game i've ever touched that benefits from FN keys
specifically due to F3
mainly F3+F4
wheat plume
yeah, F3 shortcuts are so useful
I use the one to reload resource packs all the time
Titanfall 2 also require the F row :-; to switch Titan loadouts
tame hedge
I use the one to reload resource packs all the time
not exactly time-sensitive tho, F3+F4 is
wheat plume
yeh
sharp marsh
Good thing i stay away from competitive minecraft. Scroll wheel is a function for convenience. Doesnt help that you have 10 different things to swap to.
wheat plume
F3+F4 works fine if you need to hold down FN
I tend to organise my hotbar using F
put item to offhand, then sscroll then press F again to swap around items
tame hedge
ouch
wheat plume
I also LOVE the hotbar saving when building in creative
can arrange multiple hotbars of items I need and swap them as I go in one combo
wheat plume
ayy, no longer need to right clicvk to open in folder
halcyon moss
minecraft is like the only game i've ever touched that benefits from FN keys
battlefield
wheat plume
MOON CAT
eager lantern
I just realised that Wooting keyboards are, in principle, incompatible with nohboard (the tiny utility to show which keyboard and mouse buttons are pressed so you can record meaningful tutorials for games)
halcyon moss
only in analogue mode
eager lantern
Since nohboard shows, by definition, only the digital representation
halcyon moss
or.. controller emulation mode
eager lantern
Not only analogue mode
The 4-actions-in-one-keystroke thingy as well. Rapid trigger as well.
It would show whatโs being sent from keyboard (digitally) but not the actual keystrokes.
ashen spindle
rapid trigger would still work if you have it show a button being pressed and not just if its on/off
eager lantern
And I doubt that someone will make a pull request with those features or a fork just for wooting
ashen spindle
and any dks would just show all the buttons instead of showing it as dks surely?
eager lantern
Aaaand itโs 100% in C#, so not for me :/
eager lantern
and any dks would just show all the buttons instead of showing it as dks surely?
Yes. As I said above.
While that may be good for some scenarios, for others ("let me show you how my binds work, see, Iโm pressing only one key and...") itโs woefully inaccurate
Power of macros, dks, analogue - all lost to recording software, so no straight tutorials ๐ฅฒ
ashen spindle
sure but that's the case with all macro like features, I don't think that's anything I would say makes wooting incompatible, just advanced features not as simple to see with it
if you want a tutorial that shows stuff and use dks it would be simple to mention that that is used so when a b and c is pressed at once it can be inferd it coems from the dks binding on a
as for rapid trigger, why would that make it not work?
it wouldn't show the RT effect but in theory that is just the same as pressing the button again really fast and having it return really fast so it lights up sooner
or am I missing something?
eager lantern
I stand corrected - not lost. Just read about Woot-verlay, sounds like the tool for the job (even if it doesnโt show dks properly; I dunno yet)
crimson wigeon
That would only show your real physical inputs, useful perhaps but not so much for tutorials if people see you press a key but in reality to the system it's 3 keys in one
eager lantern
You are right, but the whole point of recording keystrokes on keyboard for tutorials is to show keys pressed not the underlying macros
As the gentleman/gentlady above said
crimson wigeon
Unless the tutorial is specifically about how to make good use of that fancy crap 
eager lantern
The Woot-verlay, though, shows analog input well, I will have to check it out later how it shows dks.
wheat plume
One of the two things Im terrified by doing a Steam Deck SSD swap happened to him... AAAH NOO
One of the screws holding down the metal plate over the motherboard was stripped when he tried to unscrew it because the screw was in too tight
so he had to dremel it out and it sparked a lot but luckily the Deck still works after the swap but the metal plate is a little damaged
ashen spindle
It's getting old having to still point out that nobody has a clue who "THAT PERSON" is when nobody is mentioned
shadow minnow
Ab yes I love how the title doesnโt say what
wheat plume
I figured it was the SSD Swap
since you cant destroy it from Software, mostly, kinda
reef patrol
ashen spindle
yeah about that...
wheat plume
?
ashen spindle
you definitely can fry an nvme or its controller with a virus
shadow minnow
What kinda virus would it have to be?
wheat plume
you can brick it, if you fuck up the BIOS..but that isnt usually associated with the word destroy, destroy is usually reserved for physical damage
ashen spindle
or at least make it as unusable that clickbaits would call "almost destroyed"
shadow minnow
you definitely can fry an nvme or its controller with a virus
How can you do that?
shadow minnow
Oh true if it can access firmware
It can kinda do that too if it can put a custom fw on it
frozen ingot
wouldn't that be doable for any ssd
wheat plume
ooh
shadow minnow
wouldn't that be doable for any ssd
Well only if you have access to firmware of it
shadow minnow
Run it at highest speed
Or you could maybe change voltages to fry it or have it run so much it runs out of reads/writes
frozen ingot
aren't those power rails fixed to a certain voltage
ashen spindle
idk depends how it's made and how well the fail safes work
frozen ingot
a lot of bios lets you overvolt cpu voltage or ram but never really seen people try and overclock their drives
ashen spindle
also not a bios setting when talking about flash controllers firmware
frozen ingot
yeah, so would be pointless to even have the possibility for that power rail to exceed the standard rating
astral haven
The way that they brick the drives I suspect is just by corrupting the firmware
ashen spindle
well its not like they have a 12V connection and firmware sets it to 3V so you can just fry it easy like that
astral haven
Again tho the voltage regulators often aren't programmable
ashen spindle
but if you have a malicious firmware and depending on how the ssd is made there could be ways
also the video title wasn't even just about the SSD, so could've been he fried the deck by installing something that somehow set bios to 2v cpu
that would be a quick death
astral haven
Problem is that's a really complicated solution, where it would be relatively easy to flash the firmware with garbage
There are only a few ssd controller vendors, just need the flashing mechanism for each of them
ashen spindle
oh yeah it's definitely not common because the extra effort isn't worth it
if we ignore state level application of malware perhaps
frozen ingot
and it would kinda have to hack the mobo to do it
reef patrol
Bad clickbait - the debate maker.
astral haven
Oh I thought you were talking about the tarkov video where a guy installed cheats to see what cheaters do and then got his drives destroyed by the cheat group
reef patrol
ashen spindle
no but that's what I was thinking of when mentioning they can brick your ssd
ashen spindle
and it would kinda have to hack the mobo to do it
and no need to hack the mobo if that was in reply to killing cpu with voltage, not like ryzen master or intel xtu couldn't be hijacked
gusty kiln
man rumors do be saying 4070 for 750
crisp granite
man rumors do be saying 4070 for 750
50% increase over last gen
inflation is bad rn but not THAT bad
gusty kiln
still waiting for the Lenovo version that's hopefully cheaper
gusty kiln
50% increase over last gen
inflation is bad rn but not THAT bad
lines up with the rest of the stock
astral haven
I think it's definetly worth waiting for 4k on the panels at least
wheat plume
cause all human heads are different
Obviously I say that as an observer, and NOT a collector
Zach - March 2023
wheat plume
I was really overthinking what way the screens display the image into the prisms
its literally just normal just angled back 90 degree roughly
astral haven
Well it also has some magnification to make it look further away but yes?
wheat plume
When you buy an iPhone from a physical Apple store, why do they charge 30 extra dollars for it to be unlocked?? Are they not already unlocked??
crisp granite
When you buy an iPhone from a physical Apple store, why do they charge 30 extra ...
um
who the fuck told you that
wheat plume
crisp granite
they're unlocked by default
ashen spindle
random youtuber probably
crisp granite
you'll only get a locked phone from a carrier
wheat plume
Yeah, thats how it should be
crisp granite
because apple doesn't have a carrier to lock it to
wheat plume
they dont know wtf carrier you are on
so its impossible to lock them
Unless they have some that are already carrier lockled and you buy whatever model is locked to your current carrier??!
idfk
crisp granite
they dont know wtf carrier you are on
ignore that for about 3 seconds
there's no value for them to
not like they have a contract with carrier x or have their own
crisp granite
of course if you're an idiot buying a phone from a carrier
wheat plume
^
crisp granite
you could definitely get charged for the privilege
either way, I put no sway into things idiots say online
apple sells unlocked phones
wheat plume
Also, on carrier locked phones, any software updates get delayed so that the carrier can update it's own bloatware apps
or they may postpone the update forever
crisp granite
anyway
that youtuber better provide proof of an apple store locking a phone or they are a certified knob in my book
wheat plume
They are typically really reliable for both Android and iOS software updates and whatnot
crisp granite
that's so cool
and also not even close to addressing my concern
wheat plume
Yeah, idk where he got that info...
crisp granite
sorry if I seem like an asshole
it's been a fuckin day
ashen spindle
I have noticed that when you buy an iphone 13 SIM-free is $30 more expensive
so it doesnt cost more, vendors just offer you a discount if you go with them instead of an unlocked one
so saying you pay more to unlock is misleading
wheat plume
where that quote from?
crisp granite
phone is same price
carriers would just discount it because they'll easily make it back
ashen spindle
first google result on an apple site
crisp granite
phone is same price
carriers would just discount it because they'll easily make ...
that's completely different from "costs more for an unlocked phone"
that's "you can choose to be a captive market and get a meagre discount on the phone itself"
astral haven
Lovely
wheat plume
Why does Verizon have a tech article site?
Maybe to push their phone deals when doing phone reviews?
frozen ingot
tbh carrier plans are so cheap here you'd be an idiot not to buy a phone that way imo
wheat plume
Good luck selling it though
astral haven
tbh carrier plans are so cheap here you'd be an idiot not to buy a phone that wa...
Not in the us lol
frozen ingot
if I really wanted to carrier unlocking it is like $20
astral haven
Fortunately it's required that the device be carrier unlocked as soon as you are out of contract
frozen ingot
there's no such demand here afaik but its cheap to do it after contract is expired
wheat plume
tbh carrier plans are so cheap here you'd be an idiot not to buy a phone that wa...
That's slow af ....
frozen ingot
had originally intended to sell my note I had previously but after 2 years that thing was too worn out to be worth anything
to be fair I guess I deserve it for not learning that lesson after my first note
astral haven
And I've gotten north of 700mbps, tho generally stuck under 300 inside my house
wheat plume
O o
On mobile data????
astral haven
Yep
ashen spindle
4g can do gigabit
wheat plume
.....what????
ashen spindle
how is this news to you when you use mobile basically daily
frozen ingot
speedtest where I live turns up even slower for mobile data but tbh I very rarely need faster than that on my phone
astral haven
ashen spindle
ofc real world limits and theoretical arent the same and it puts some limits on stuff
wheat plume
astral haven
This is 5g long range
wheat plume
how is this news to you when you use mobile basically daily
Cause the fastest my data ever was reached about 18mb/s
ashen spindle
but surely at some point one would look what your connection could do to see if you can improve it?
wheat plume
Hmmm?
astral haven
Googles result is more realistic but is actually pretty far from home
wheat plume
How would I do that?
ashen spindle
idk, look into the contract what the provide up to, google what your connection can do
astral haven
Hold the cell horizontally (depending on cell model) and have it higher off the ground
ashen spindle
crimson wigeon
Nice
astral haven
Illegal? Doubt it
Would get them fired? Highly likely
Most terms of service don't specify how exactly the licensor may provide the licensee with access, only that they have to do it when required to by the license agreement
It's illegal to break into someone else's car but I can hire a locksmith to break into mine if needed
ashen spindle
https://twitter.com/TCNOco/status/1634620924900130818 idk I just trust that the guy who made the tool has looked into it more than I did xd
astral haven
He's saying it's not legal for you to use it
In the way that the other person described that is
ashen spindle
hmm I guess that could fit
reef patrol
Never seen Microsoft use that tool. They usually have you use the godawful phone robot one where you have to type in a long ass sequence and then it generates another one as confirmation.
ashen spindle
well as he said its only the second time he saw that being used
ashen spindle
well yeah, but only in the sense of thats why you havent seen them use it
reef patrol
Ideally you wouldn't see official MS reps use cracking tools on their own software ๐
They'd use the official tools.
ashen spindle
oh yeah
reef patrol
This mothertrucker. Had to use that so many times when working in retail to help customers reinstall Windows.
Legitimately takes about 15mins to get through a single activation cause it's so slow and easy to mess up one number halfway through
ashen spindle
yeah I just keep the watermark and not bother lol
reef patrol
I either pay 3 bucks on ebay these days. Or just use the old tool for Windows 10 and office that still works.
If they want to make a stink, I have unopened retail envelopes with the DVD on hand.
astral haven
I've never used that dialog, mostly I just make sure the device is linked to a Microsoft account before swapping
reef patrol
I've never used that dialog, mostly I just make sure the device is linked to a M...
Most peeps didn't have that at the time. The whole Microsoft thing was new - And GDPR was fresh, so we didn't really want to ask customers for their microsoft login details xD
astral haven
Yea we never touched the computer regarding that, i made the customer log on and just verified afterwards that it was active
But also holy crap the requirements in the us are awful
Official company policy was to have the user write down their password on a piece of paper for phone repairs
For computers at least it was stored securely in the ticketing system which auto logs out quickly but even then geez
The only company I know of with a good system for that is Samsung with their technician mode
astral haven
What don't you like?
๐คทโโ๏ธ that's what the people want
I'd have trouble picking between it and a r1s assuming it's cheaper...
I see no problems here
Besides it just being an SUV at all
Korea
frozen ingot
also way past sick to death of everyone making this same car again and again
also a SUV is about the dumbest body shape for an EV you could pick
true quest
also a SUV is about the dumbest body shape for an EV you could pick
any car
graceful shell
More so for EV
astral haven
Don't see the problem with releasing the car people will buy tho
Also the larger the car, the more batteries you can stuff in :/
ashen spindle
the car isn't the issue, the americans wanting it are
astral haven
Yup
true quest
if you condition them into thinking they need it, when they don't, it becomes an issue
true quest
the car isn't the issue, the americans wanting it are <:dogekek:8462852682893230...
the car is a massive contributor to the issue in the us
astral haven
The aptera is struggling to get 20 million when rivian got billions?
ashen spindle
the car is a massive contributor to the issue in the us
well yeah but people arent changing, so unless its some really revolutionary thing or super cheap or otherwise attractive people will continue to get suvs and pickup trucks for regular cars
astral haven
But it actually needs more than that since aptera meets all those criteria...
frozen ingot
the cognitive dissonance of having all the "sustainability", "climate compensating", "carbon neutral" etc buzzwords hammered into our concious every waking hour this day and age and at the same time seeing these bloated and inefficient monstrosities being shat out and bought by the millions
astral haven
Well compared to what they are replacing they are efficient
ashen spindle
^
true quest
efficient at killing and taking up useless space sure
astral haven
And really the only thing needed to make them net zero is to add v2g capability that actually functions
frozen ingot
batteries are a very inefficient way of storing energy vs flammable dinosaur juice
astral haven
Wrong
frozen ingot
and having the drag coefficiency of a barn doesn't help either
astral haven
Batteries are extremely efficient compared to dinosaur juice
astral haven
80% is easy
frozen ingot
if even
astral haven
But it only loses a maximum of 20% of the energy input
frozen ingot
best case scenario perhaps
astral haven
No that's worstcase
It's better for you because you have better solar coverage than here
Only problem is getting it to you which is just get rekt
frozen ingot
since you can lose upwards of 20-50% of range during wintertime alone
astral haven
That range loss is due to the energy being used elsewhere
And gas cars lose range too to adverse conditions, people just don't care as much because it's significantly quicker to refuel
The battery itself actually doesnt allow less energy to leave, it just uses more on heating
frozen ingot
used for what tho, it can just sit parked and drop 1/3 or more overnight doing nothing
just because its really cold
astral haven
Range
Not actual energy in the battery
Also Tesla's specifically have these extremely power hungry computers running 24/7 for all sorts of reasons
frozen ingot
but if you can't make use of the energy
astral haven
You can...
I don't understand why people think that the heat from your engine is free
It's literally the heat from the inefficiency of the system only being partially wasted
And again it costs an insane amount of energy to get the gas into your car from the ground even assuming it was free to get into the ground
frozen ingot
nah even the best ICE is like at 30% efficiency among the best ones
with all the turbo, exhaust gas recirculation, direct injectors, variable valves etc
astral haven
The cars do use a significant amount of energy to heat up the systems to get the oil flowing properly so everything gets lubricated properly
That's why you need to let your gas car idle for a few minutes before you get going when it's real cold
Same is true for electric cars except they just limit the performance of the car while bad instead of destroying parts
astral haven
with all the turbo, exhaust gas recirculation, direct injectors, variable valves...
Wrong
"thermal efficiency" is just how much of the heat combusted moves the pistons
That's where the numbers as high as 30% come from
frozen ingot
that's the efficiency rating the industry goes with ๐คท๐ปโโ๏ธ
astral haven
Thermal efficiency completely ignores the energy used to move turbos, recharge superchargers, run fuel pumps
astral haven
that's the efficiency rating the industry goes with ๐คท๐ปโโ๏ธ
No it isn't
People use miles per gallon because that's what they actually care about lmao
frozen ingot
the resistance of a turbo is negliable vs the net gain in efficiency of having a lot more oxygen for the same amount of gasoline
supercharger is worse
astral haven
And the current best gas car (which obviously is a hybrid to get Regen and city driving) is 55mpg
Which is 55 miles for 33kwh
astral haven
the resistance of a turbo is negliable vs the net gain in efficiency of having a...
Actually quite wrong
It's very significantly more efficient to just have less power and make a smaller engine
The less volume of air required for combustion the more efficient it is
frozen ingot
ok guess my 3 year education on this stuff studying to be a mechanic was wrong
astral haven
Turbos don't make things worse
And you are thinking of horsepower per fuel used
Which yes turbos help with
But it's even more efficient to just get a smaller engine
fickle ore
fuell CELL >
astral haven
Fuel cell is awful for both hydrogen and gasoline
fickle ore
Hydrogen >
astral haven
And the current best gas car (which obviously is a hybrid to get Regen and city ...
And by this I mean production street legal vehicles
frozen ingot
small engine + small turbo to increase power in low-mid rpm range is what tends to be the go-to option around here these days
astral haven
And the current best gas car (which obviously is a hybrid to get Regen and city ...
My car has the ability to go about 130 miles on that same amount of fuel, and I pay about a dollar for that
astral haven
small engine + small turbo to increase power in low-mid rpm range is what tends ...
Find a single car with a turbo over 50mpg that runs on gasoline
frozen ingot
smol engine needs high revs to develop peak output, and revs are bad for a dozen reasons
astral haven
But what's more efficient is to just not rev as high and have an even smaller engine
And to shut the engine off while driving in the city completely and rely on electricity
frozen ingot
Find a single car with a turbo over 50mpg that runs on gasoline
sure, the skoda fabia 1.0 tsi my parents had for a few years
frozen ingot
do you also find your sister as hot
fickle ore
First google is LC40 flashlight lol
frozen ingot
top gear rules states you can't have a murican pickup mentioned without at least one US south incest joke
fickle ore
but thats quite hoat
astral haven
sure, the skoda fabia 1.0 tsi my parents had for a few years
I said over but fair point
That's a 1 liter engine tho
It would be more efficient if it didn't have the turbo
Tho it may not make it to 100kph lmao
frozen ingot
tbh I don't think it would be, chances are you'd actually end up burning more gasoline with a non-turbo one since you'd constantly be revving the crap out of it
and that driving style also increase wear on a bunch of other stuff
fickle ore
fkin broke my drainpipe need a pickup for that
astral haven
That's also a valid point, but the EPA cycle (which I am going off of) it would do better
ashen spindle
meanwhile I just hope I live to see the day we finally get politicians that set up a speed limit here, doesnt matter what you drive 300km/h will not be efficent
frozen ingot
is it really an issue though
astral haven
meanwhile I just hope I live to see the day we finally get politicians that set ...
Meh I think it's fine for people to chose if they want to drive fast
ashen spindle
I don't, wasteful and has been proven to ends to cause more crashes
fickle ore
meanwhile I just hope I live to see the day we finally get politicians that set ...
You'd think german with all their EU stuff would put 80 km/h limit
Weird
frozen ingot
if we simplify it a car that does 300km/h+ should have longer gear ratios than your average econobox
astral haven
Afaik it's not considered bad etiquette to run 130kph in the right lanes of the autobon?
frozen ingot
so it should be running at lower rpm on standard highway speed
fickle ore
Lada on autobahn left lane ftw
ashen spindle
right lane is if you arent overtaking anyone so most of the time its trucks that cant go faster anyway
astral haven
so it should be running at lower rpm on standard highway speed
The taycan is the only electric car with a full on gearbox for that very reason
ashen spindle
but a limit of like 130 or so would be more than enough to cut down on a lot of crashes, most of them deadly,. and reduce emissions
reef patrol
In Denmark it depends on number of lanes. If it's a two laner, then everyone is expected to stay in the right lane and use the left one to overtake as needed - This usually means getting past trucks and trailers cause they're limited by law to 90kmh
110 or 130 depending on location for cars*
astral haven
right lane is if you arent overtaking anyone so most of the time its trucks that...
In France at least the autobon equivalents were something you generally avoided
In the us, the highway system runs straight through most cities so it's impossible to avoid and thus an entirely different sort of system
astral haven
Lel
fickle ore
I drive a 2003 ford
astral haven
I dont drive at all I take trains
Where I live there are a total of 2 trains per day and the track is shared with commercial freight traffic
2013 leaf for me
graceful shell
I drive electric.
ashen spindle
Where I live there are a total of 2 trains per day and the track is shared with ...
I am annoyed because now the train here comes every 10 instead of 5 minutes lol
frozen ingot
The taycan is the only electric car with a full on gearbox for that very reason
yeah I don't get why so many assume because its EV there's no benefits to be had using a transmission
astral haven
Here in podunkville the public transit takes a minimum of 1 hour to get from near my home to my work assuming I ignore the 10 minute walk to the bus station
astral haven
yeah I don't get why so many assume because its EV there's no benefits to be had...
Well there's definetly no efficiency advantage
fickle ore
tbf I wish all cars were CVT instead of manual/autom,. more economic
frozen ingot
actually there's a fair amount of slip in a CVT
fickle ore
Yeah but it's still better
astral haven
Not in a 3 planet electric cvt
frozen ingot
nah
astral haven
Those can be made rock solid
What's actually better is in wheel motors, aptera gained 10% total efficiency by switching to that
astral haven
A hybrid drivetrain with a planetary CVT to the front wheels for highway and a decoupling clutch for city where power goes to the rear in wheel motors would probably be the best bet
frozen ingot
with modern cars/technology the difference in fuel efficiency between transmission types are for most part quite negligible
used to be a huge difference in the past
astral haven
With electric cars it will matter more tho
Direct drive vs having axles will be a difference
Also gotta remember the 2 motor 1 engine cvts allow for some crazy optimization
frozen ingot
yeah wouldn't it be better to just have an engine on each wheel than a single large one between them
astral haven
Motor but yea
frozen ingot
probably cost more to make
fickle ore
Fuell efficiency is too high lvl talk when half the country can't even afford gas or low cost gas cars hehehee
frozen ingot
and car companies wants to collects those savings rather than passing them on to the buyer
astral haven
probably cost more to make
Why?
The motors are slightly more expensive because you need at least 2 but you save a ton on everything else
frozen ingot
am guessing a pair of driveshafts are cheaper than having two motors made
even if the savings is only slight believe me the manufacturer will jump on it
astral haven
Driveshafts, gearing for the motor, linkages?
It adds up
astral haven
even if the savings is only slight believe me the manufacturer will jump on it
What's cheaper is to use the exact same old design they have been using for years
frozen ingot
might be able to use more off the shelf stuff from their ICE car lineup
astral haven
That's where the savings come from
But also its dev cycles
The motors have only been available for just over 4 years and cars take 7-10 from drawing board to road
frozen ingot
also having an engine sitting inside or near the wheel well will probably expose it to more splashes, gravel, salt etc from the rotating wheel so you'd might have to protect it more vs "engine bay" mount
motor*
astral haven
Yep which is why it has taken it so long to be released
And the classic car companies probably want someone like aptera to prove it works first
Again tho aptera is $30k, 3.5 sec 0-60 with 3 motors (of a smaller variant more for a motorcycle than a car)
frozen ingot
also might upset weight distribution a bit
astral haven
That's something that can be designed
But it's only something like 20kg per wheel
And you can just put batteries where your old engine was lmao
20kg added not total
More for more power or larger wheels ofc
frozen ingot
yeah, in general you want to keep as much of the heaviest shit along the center "spine" of the vehicle platform though, but like you say with several times that weight in batteries occupying that space already wheel mount motors likely won't make much difference
astral haven
It's literally less than half the weight of the whole wheel
frozen ingot
unless you're making an actual racecar perhaps where every decimal in lap time improvements are first prio
astral haven
It also allows you smaller brakes
frozen ingot
how much of the disc brake setup could the e-motors regenerative braking compensate for
astral haven
unless you're making an actual racecar perhaps where every decimal in lap time i...
It's 75 horsepower per wheel you electrify for the aptera ones, over 100 for the larger ones
And it's beyond easy to upsell to rwd or AWD...
Again 20 kilos is not much at all for that
astral haven
how much of the disc brake setup could the e-motors regenerative braking compens...
All of it
You need the disks to come to a complete stop and for regulatory reasons
frozen ingot
It's 75 horsepower per wheel you electrify for the aptera ones, over 100 for the...
its not in the real everyday world but in racing it is
astral haven
That's true for all electric cars tho that don't have a major problem in their electric eiring
astral haven
its not in the real everyday world but in racing it is <:mm:638142954841833512>
How much does a single half shaft weigh lmao
Then the reduction gears
In racing tho they probably would use gas because it's just so much easier to manage fueling
frozen ingot
its also way, way lighter in general
astral haven
Imagine if a pit stop took even 2 minutes to charge the battery
People would be so angry lmao
frozen ingot
especially if you need to make a bunch of laps before you can swap out the cells
astral haven
its also way, *way* lighter in general
Again depends tho
An aptera is rather light
Not quite F1 level but it's only the difference of 1 fat person or an average american
And the aptera has a lot of useless baggage for racing
Especially the solar cells lmao
frozen ingot
apparently you don't want to pull a lot of power out of those battery packs for extended periods of time either to avoid thermal issues
astral haven
The thermal issues are in the cheap switching hardware they use not the actual batteries themselves often
Tho yes they can get quite hot if you push them real hard
Again tho same is true for regular gas so...
That's only 12 miles lmao
You'd just use super capacitors for that or just an extremely low density battery pack
And the car would be super light for having maybe 15kwh of battery
Yeah I'd like to see it too
ashen spindle
Meh I think it's fine for people to chose if they want to drive fast
now that I had time to find the numbers, a limit to 130km/h would lower total traffic emissions by about 3% which is some million tons of CO2 and reduces the amount of deadly accidents from 1.67 to 0.95 deadly accidents per million kilometer, on a test area for some years they also saw a halving in total accidents
astral haven
now that I had time to find the numbers, a limit to 130km/h would lower total tr...
Yeah and the death rates of skydivers would drop if they weren't allowed to jump out of planes...
ashen spindle
they usually dont involve other people in their falls though
frozen ingot
Again tho same is true for regular gas so...
there are many tried and tested ways of temperature managing an ICE engine though so its rarely an issue these days even for motorsport
ashen spindle
our current finance minister is literal car show off and paid off by porsche so w/e nothing will happen anyway
astral haven
Anyways I'll keep running the leaf until a more efficient option is available
Would also be neat to get a car with lifepo4 like the aptera
frozen ingot
charging infrastructure still not that great here, and no power plugs near my spot at home
also the government tax cuts and perks you got for quite a while buying an EV got nerfed heavily almost in conjunction with pricing on electricity ballooning
astral haven
That's why aptera hype
Just gotta park it in a sunny spot and you are all good
Fortunately for me the amount our power company pays for putting solar back to the grid is basically nothing
To charge my car to full from the grid is near $10, but the amount we get paid for returning the same amount to the grid is about $1.5
So as long as I charge during solar hours and limit my charging speed, it costs $1.5 to fill it instead of $10
ashen spindle
speaking of solar, end of next month we might finally get roof workers that have time to install them zzz they are sitting in the backyard for like 5 months now
astral haven
Oh lol