🔌│tech

[vagrant pagoda]

apc smart lithium 1500

measuered running on battery

[astral haven]

What PSU

Oh and also I am including USB devices

Because the main draw on amd is the iodine and chipset

[vagrant pagoda]

i have like 100w of usb draw

lol

[astral haven]

Sure

But some of that 100w is from the chipset and cpu

I've actually probably decreased the power going out over USB now with my new kvm hub

[vagrant pagoda]

but the psu is a silverstone 800w ti

[astral haven]

Can you link a review that shows power in vs out graphs?

[vagrant pagoda]

also im on 220v

[astral haven]

Cause as of 2020, there wasn't a single PSU over 1000w that had less than 40w of base active power

Also what CPU and chipset

Bc for the monoliths with Asus chipsets, it's feasible to get under 10w platform idle with no devices

But the ddr4 iodie alone consumes 10w of idle power when activated, and 20w when stuff is happening

[vagrant pagoda]

https://www.kitguru.net/components/power-supplies/aris-bitziopoulos/silverstone-silverstone-strider-titanium-1100w-psu-review/5/

the 1100 dose 30w in 20w out

on 110v in

its going to be a bit better prob ~70% on 220v

[astral haven]

That's not bad at all

[vagrant pagoda]

i think all high end titatiums are like that

i know seasonic is better

but thier 1000 is longer

and wouldnt fit

so i went with the silverston 800w

[astral haven]

And I have the ax1600i to run multi GPU

Which is unfortunate

[vagrant pagoda]

yeah

im still on 1080tis in the game rig

[astral haven]

But actually would advantage the amd for being higher on the efficiency curve

[vagrant pagoda]

becauise im driving 5 screens

i would go with a seasonic with the torrent

[astral haven]

That's another advantage bc those are ultra low idle
Think 10-12w?

[vagrant pagoda]

but i got the silverstone with the old case

[astral haven]

3090 is 16-20 afaik

[vagrant pagoda]

also i only have 0 fans i idle

[astral haven]

But this was a direct 1:1 swap

[vagrant pagoda]

yeah just saying

thats why my idle is so low

[astral haven]

Ye

[vagrant pagoda]

5800x3d

undervolted

but 64GB ram

[astral haven]

Yeah and I didn't tune my 5950x

128gb of highly inefficient cjr?

[vagrant pagoda]

b die

lol

[astral haven]

Bdie once tuned draws nothing

Since apparently you can do refi now on amd?

[vagrant pagoda]

3800 cl18

[astral haven]

Haven't tried tho since I was never able to get ecc to correct errors

Right i still need to try that SPD flashing tool for dat sweet sweet ecc xmp

[rough osprey]

https://twitter.com/LogitechG/status/1630266774947082241?t=s5tTH6D8ke7_qTPPMbI7xQ&s=19

Logitech G (@LogitechG)

The forge has been lit.

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pls be something like a mouse

[astral haven]

Also rather hype for using the z790 as a server in the far future
256gb ddr5 rdimms are gonna be so cheap in the ddr6 generation

[vagrant pagoda]

• cl16

yeah

[gusty kiln]

shell with usb-c already leaked

[vagrant pagoda]

so for kick

[gusty kiln]

think 54 grams

[astral haven]

My ecc bdie boots at 3600 c18 but the ecc disables itself 😦

[vagrant pagoda]

ran hotwarks on my x58 lol

[astral haven]

I never tried pushing further

[rough osprey]

would be cool if its the one

[vagrant pagoda]

runs fine on a 7970 at 1080p lol

[gusty kiln]

I'd be torn between DAV3 and this superlight refresh

[rough osprey]

they got so much they could relase so

[astral haven]

7970
Ew
7990>>>>7970

Except for actually functioning but shh

[slate solar]

PLEASE BE A NEW MOUSE

[rough osprey]

bro

[slate solar]

oops

Didn’t see ur link LOL

[vagrant pagoda]

Lmao

@astral haven as I'm talking about only having the 800w

[rough osprey]

np haha

[slate solar]

I wonder what the pricing will be

[vagrant pagoda]

My 1500 showed up

Also look at this packaging

[slate solar]

I was gonna go get a death adder V3

But guess I can wait

For tomorrow

[vagrant pagoda]

They just raw dogged it in a box

[astral haven]

That can't be retail

[vagrant pagoda]

$50 from a ex miner lol

1500w titanium

[astral haven]

Ah well what did you expect

[vagrant pagoda]

At least some old newspaper

Amazingly that one sticker being off is the only damage

[astral haven]

Fits perfectly in the box from the picture 🤷‍♂️

[vagrant pagoda]

Probably because these power supplies are built like brick shit houses

[vagrant pagoda]

Like a glove

I got this to rebox into my OG 1000 watt case

My late 2000s vintage Silverstone 1000 w has a flaky 5 rail

Luckily Silverstone still uses the exact same case half for the fan side

Which is what has the stickers on it

They also use the exact same pinout for the cables

So I can just take the part of the case with the sticker off the old one put it on this one

And use the OG cables

[astral haven]

Nice

[vagrant pagoda]

This is for my retro workstation

[astral haven]

Fortunately same story with my sf750 as the ax1600i

[vagrant pagoda]

But I can test it in my rig

Everything I own is Silverstone powered

And all the cables are the same lol

But they did like 2 years ago change the connectors but I don't have any of those

And I think all they did was made the pcie have EPS plugs on the other side

But Silverstone is based because their EPs and pcie were straight through for a long time

Which was convenient if you had an 8-pin motherboard or video card because you could flip the cable backwards and not have to deal with having two plugs

But their new ones use EPS on the pcie so you can't flip them

But it's really easy to tell which is which because the old ones all have blue pcie on the PSU and PSU side of the cables

I only issue I have is I don't have any of the super old pcie cables that had the capacitor built in

So I have to track down a pair of them

My original one that had that I redid the cables with mdpcx

[slate solar]

See this is my choice rn do i get a DAV3 or see what this one offers

I guess we find out tomorrow

[astral haven]

Best mouse for now

[rough osprey]

wait for next zaunkoenig

exactly l8l

[slate solar]

Well that mouse is fingertip

I cant fingertip for shit

[astral haven]

It's not fingertip for me lel

[slate solar]

claw?

[rough osprey]

what happened to your cable

[gusty kiln]

he has tiny hands

[astral haven]

Yay for baby hands i palm claw it

[slate solar]

It def has a unique shape

[astral haven]

Hard to take a pic of

[slate solar]

I don’t think I could ever use it though

[rough osprey]

hope they add side buttons

perfect mouse then

[astral haven]

Service that replaces the stock cable with braided bare wire

[rough osprey]

is the stock one bad?

[wheat plume]

Apparently PlayStation VR 2 is sorta open source!

[astral haven]

It's the best cable on a wired mouse
But it's so light that you can still move it

So the replacement cable helps alot

Feels wireless

And it also feels both insubstantial and solid at the same time

[rough osprey]

iem user :o

[gusty kiln]

that mousepad needs cleaning

[astral haven]

Yes and yes

[gusty kiln]

alcohol-free wipes are easy and fast

[astral haven]

And don't work on the zero

[gusty kiln]

oh rip

[astral haven]

Yes

[slate solar]

Cube mouse

[gusty kiln]

my hand feels cramp looking at that

[astral haven]

It's a lot better with a replacement wire

[slate solar]

It’s a square

how does that feel in hand

Yes

your hands are bigger than both of mine combined

[astral haven]

And I've got baby hands
Extremely convenient

[slate solar]

He’s got them NBA hands

[gusty kiln]

a g703 superlight with a slightly reduced hump would also be a contender

[slate solar]

That’s what everyone is saying under that tweet

[rough osprey]

how about 2 mice

[gusty kiln]

I have a G603 and I never liked the rear hump

[slate solar]

I need something that’s a bit nicer to grip

Than a superlight

[astral haven]

What

[slate solar]

the egg shape kinda hurts my hands after a while

[astral haven]

Very strange

[slate solar]

[astral haven]

No problem here

Is it too small?

[slate solar]

Prob just my grip

Then again I also have mouse syndrome

[astral haven]

Ikr

[slate solar]

I need this mouse or this mouse

(I really don’t)

just copium

[gusty kiln]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQ5XiIgYMSw

Wish I could audition this

[final flame]

Still want to try the he1

Was this at canjam?

[gusty kiln]

Golden said there was nothing he can say negative about it

yeah

[final flame]

Now is it worth as much as a car, maybe

[gusty kiln]

if I had to spend 50K, I would buy it in an instant

[final flame]

Honestly if I permanently live in Japan I'd probably buy it instead of owning a car

[gusty kiln]

[final flame]

Either that or get a really nice speaker setup

[gusty kiln]

it would be HD800S for gaming and PC use, and HE1 for actual music listening time

[final flame]

I'd still use my 6xx, too comfy to give up

[gusty kiln]

need to get that Herman Millar lounge chair along with it

[final flame]

[gusty kiln]

yeah same, but I'd need to try a HD800S first

earcups are huge

[final flame]

Tis is true

[gusty kiln]

https://store.hermanmiller.com/living-room-furniture-lounge-chairs-ottomans/eames-lounge-chair-and-ottoman/5667.html?lang=en_US

only 8 grand compared to the HE1

[final flame]

I plan to get a hifiman edition X

Should be a good upgrade over my 6xx

[gusty kiln]

ooo

[final flame]

Either that or I find a lcd2

[gusty kiln]

wait you mean XS?

[final flame]

Yea

The 500 ish one

[gusty kiln]

the only thing about the egg planars are the dynamics

I like the punch from dynamics

unless you EQ

[final flame]

The Xs is supposed to have insane detail retrieval

[gusty kiln]

yeah

I personally would go for a Elex or Clear for a HD6XX upgrade

less detail and soundstage but more punch

[final flame]

Also was thinking about the moondrop venus

But I have a small head so idk

[gusty kiln]

ooo, it actually used double sided magnets

not one side or asymmetrical

the Elex goes for 600 on Drop.com often

[final flame]

Interesting I'll check that out

[gusty kiln]

seems to use a suspension headband

[final flame]

How much of a difference is there between the elex and the clear

[gusty kiln]

think resolve said like 5% overall

if he were to quantify it

https://i.gyazo.com/7060905f23b5b997e3cf32195a2f11d9.png

REALLY close

damn

hows the condition

[final flame]

There's a dealer near me that has a Elear and Utopia, maybe should check that out aswell

[gusty kiln]

dewit

though I think the elears weren't as well received unless you pad swap

[final flame]

I need to book a reservation, over spring break would be good

The guy runs the business out of his house

[gusty kiln]

Kek, I remember there was a guy selling magnapan speakers out of a house too

[wheat plume]

https://youtu.be/wC8zbdV7z68

The compass is not compass-ing

[empty wren]

Not everyone wants graphene

[gusty kiln]

I would only get an iOS device just for access to Apple Music

only iOS device can change the sample rate of a dac

and Apple Music probably has the best lossless library size

other than TIDAL, but fuck TIDAL

[astral haven]

Pretty sure apple uses the same library as deezer

Yes besides that ofc

But a lot of their artists are also available on other platforms

[gusty kiln]

the problem with streaming services are the players not playing bit perfect

apparently deezer can't output bit perfect

[astral haven]

It does when casting

And it should over uapp

[pale sigil]

Apple music is on all devices though

[gusty kiln]

I'm using quboz

it's nice, but library is missing a few of my favs

[gusty kiln]

apparently not on MacOS, gotta change sample rate manually

[astral haven]

It's not Bluetooth but I'm pretty sure it's capable via Android auto and carplay

The native Bluetooth audio codecs don't support surround

Have you tried carplay or AA?

[fair gull]

macOS car play what

you mean iOS

[crisp granite]

ok
very stupid question
are there any really good fans that are really weird 140mm fans that fit 120mm mounting holes?

best I've found so far is the A15 from Noctua

[gusty kiln]

https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapc/comments/ngy9nd/looking_for_140mm_fan_with_120mm_mounting_holes/

someone made a list, but dunno if they are still being sold

you can always use an adatper

[crisp granite]

holy crap

that silverstone thing go brrrrrrrrrrrrr

[gusty kiln]

it's chonk

38 mm

[crisp granite]

probably will fit

I got like...77 ish mm of clearance

[astral haven]

Delta time!

[crisp granite]

grrr

a few mm too tall

[gusty kiln]

is this for a low profile cooler?

[crisp granite]

low profile cooler in a small case

AXP-100 full copper

Raw S1

the AXP-100 is weird, includes a 100mm fan
a 120mm mount for fans
and then markets thermalright's TY-140
which fits said criteria of 140mm fan with 120mm mount

so I'm thinking since it's a chart topper with stock fan
and I do have the clearance for a full 25mm thick fan
how much better can I do

[astral haven]

What about t30

[gusty kiln]

those phantek fans are the new hotness

oh wait those are 30mm thick

[crisp granite]

that'll fit

[gusty kiln]

dewit

[crisp granite]

the silverstone monster was only a few mm too tall anyway so...yeah

[gusty kiln]

prob loud AF

[astral haven]

33mm of clearance apparently

Is it vented side panel tho? Otherwise you'd be better off not

[crisp granite]

mhm

[astral haven]

Also mfw my radiator is outside my PC and probably larger than your pc

[gusty kiln]

could use those foam spaces to fill in the gap and isolate the airflow

[crisp granite]

static pressure monster holy crap

[gusty kiln]

I want this but outside the window

[astral haven]

Eh that's hard

[gusty kiln]

yeah....

[crisp granite]

uh, your loop probably holds more liquid than my PC has volume

12L pc go brrrr

[astral haven]

Nah it's 1l of water almost exactly

[gusty kiln]

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/hans-on-hp-omen-45L-gaming-oc

I like this idea

but it's owned by HP

So RIP

[crisp granite]

mfw you aren't using an air conditioning unit to watercool

[wheat plume]

HP stuff their prebuilts with a large variety of preinstalled crapware .-.

[gusty kiln]

yeah but the case design isolates the AIO

which is a cool idea

[crisp granite]

yummy
just the way I like it

[crisp granite]

also that GPU support bracket goes hard

[wheat plume]

yeh it is neat!

[crisp granite]

why the mATX board?

it's a full ATX case

use it

[gusty kiln]

yeah it's CHONK wtf

[crisp granite]

if it's anything like me

[wheat plume]

this website doesnt let you open images larger

ffs

I wanna see it

[crisp granite]

the length and sheer girth really...

necessitates a beefy support bracket

[gusty kiln]

upper right corner of pic

[wheat plume]

ahh...

it doesnt appear on the first image LOL

[gusty kiln]

kek

[wheat plume]

I forgot HyperX is owned by HP, was wodnering why so many products were HyperX

[astral haven]

Absolute monstrosity of my setup
There are also arctic fans on the other side of the radiator from the deltas

[gusty kiln]

I like that HyperX actually post detailed spec of their ram kits

[crisp granite]

me clicking the vid for a quickie

a techquickie from Linus Media Group EYYYYYYYY :D

[gusty kiln]

is that a chiller in the back

[astral haven]

Nope

Air purifier

[gusty kiln]

rip

would have been extra gigachad if it was

[wheat plume]

the thin border around windows in Plasma 5.27 is really strange and idk if I hate it or not

its around every window

and even if your theme has a border, it still appears no matter how large the actual window border is

[gusty kiln]

the shadow bothers me more

[wheat plume]

hm?

can change that

[gusty kiln]

ah

just gimme flat

[wheat plume]

wrong one

[wheat plume]

LOL

this is worse

there, small shadows

[gusty kiln]

shame you can't make it RGB

[tame hedge]

Shadow? Nah fam I want an underglow

[wheat plume]

I feel the underglow would be nicer looking if it was a line instead of a shadow

Sadly not an option here.

Kinda like how windows 10 and 11 can have a like around windows that follows your accept color
But this would glow instead

[tame hedge]

That's called a border, not a shadow lol

[wheat plume]

True

[empty wren]

Anyone using a noctua CPU cooler?

[tame hedge]

Nah Noctua sucks

[wheat plume]

But this has got a border and shadow

[empty wren]

Okay guess I will keep looking then

[tame hedge]

AK620 >> nh-d15

[gusty kiln]

using a U14S

[empty wren]

Is it good for a new higher tier CPU?

[tame hedge]

Their fans are ok but their metal blocks are out of date

[gusty kiln]

how high?

[empty wren]

12700k

[tame hedge]

Again, ak620 is tied for the best air cooler and is significantly cheaper with a better aesthetic

[gusty kiln]

it's definitely good for my 5800X3D

[gusty kiln]

hmmm probably

[empty wren]

Well look into as well, so long as it is small

[tame hedge]

155mm

[gusty kiln]

if you want small then the U12A should also be on your radar

[empty wren]

Alright thanks

[gusty kiln]

and the Scythe Fuma 2

[crisp granite]

if you really want small
it's hard to beat the L9i

[tame hedge]

I wouldn't go anything less than the AK620 for the 12700k/similar

[empty wren]

Alrighty

[crisp granite]

look at this adorable little thing

[empty wren]

Honestly I will take the biggest I can since the case will be small

[tame hedge]

Not sure if that tier can even be properly tamed via air but like; anything less is just a no

[ashen spindle]

for gaming air cooling will be fine

if you want to run heavy applications on it, probably look at something beefier or AiOs

[gusty kiln]

Thermalright Peerless Assassin

[empty wren]

Alright

[gusty kiln]

only 40 USD

👀

[tame hedge]

For gaming a 13100 will be fine too tbh

[empty wren]

I will keep all these in mind

[crisp granite]

honestly, for gaming

just get a 5800X3D

[empty wren]

Well for cad maybe premiere

[crisp granite]

curbstomps CPUs twice the price

somehow

[tame hedge]

Imo if you don't want to make full use of it you should get a lower tier chip

[ashen spindle]

I mean, games still like higher tier cpus

because intel cuts down the cache on the lower tier models

[mild dome]

Games love cache like a cocaine addict

[crisp granite]

and quite frankly, all those coolers are really damn good
just get whatever is cheapest, fits and works aesthetically for the build if that matters

I will always simp for noctua though

[gusty kiln]

I'm glad thermalright is trying to make a comeback

[ashen spindle]

far cry for example

[gusty kiln]

they give the most metal/$

[tame hedge]

Weird

[empty wren]

What is orange

[ashen spindle]

35 and 38db make a difference

[tame hedge]

13100 was an exaggeration but you got my point anyway

[gusty kiln]

also no frequency

no comparison

[ashen spindle]

sure, I just still think its valid to go for higher tier cpus unless you know you will run gpu bound stuff

[tame hedge]

Bro. It's a static OC. All but the temperature is identical by design.

[mild dome]

Cache architecture sadly hasn't been keeping up with shrinking transistors. So the cache to core ratio gets wonky in terms of dize with cache taking up a larger surface area, and capacity with the cache being unable to feed the cores

[gusty kiln]

yeah and it's still not comparable

different test conditions

different result data

what are you even trying to argue

[ashen spindle]

not sure how that is related to intel slashing the cache to not cannibalize their sales

they could have the same cache on the 13100 as on the 13900

[mild dome]

It isn't very related i didn't say it was , i was just bring it up because i thought it interesting

[crisp granite]

one of the few companies actually releasing impressive low profile air coolers

[ashen spindle]

its not quite accurate though, that will be the case going forward, but until current nodes SRAM scaling still has mostly kept up

going forward it will be quite the issue though

[gusty kiln]

http://images.bjorn3d.com/Material/revimages/coolers/TRUE Copper/IMG_5259.jpg

[crisp granite]

oh, yes

and the full copper coolers

[gusty kiln]

1.8kg of full monstrosity

[crisp granite]

I have one of them sitting in my closet rn (just got it today :D)

[gusty kiln]

ooo nice

[crisp granite]

under 50mm tall, over half a kilo

what a monster

[tribal dirge]

thats alot of copper

[gusty kiln]

think @vagrant pagoda has one of the big boys

[vagrant pagoda]

I have a true 120 copper

[wheat plume]

IDK what distro Crystal Linux is....but I swear ive seen a similar logo for some computer company before and I cant remember the name of that company

[ashen spindle]

now I wonder if some board vendor will add some more OC options for x3d chips at some point

or if the clocks are just a hard limit and no custom bios can go around that

[vagrant pagoda]

It's more like everyone knows any higher voltage degrades the cache

So they just limit it to pbo

[vagrant pagoda]

Other than notcua

[ashen spindle]

voltage yes but clocks maybe, so if you cool it more you can get higher clocks

so far the pbo option only seems to work for non vcache ccd

[vagrant pagoda]

I wanted to use my og thermal take ix-14

But it won't fit

[ashen spindle]

at least thats what I got from the scatterbench OC video, but I only skipped through it

[vagrant pagoda]

I have to use the D14 because it has the offset

[ashen spindle]

but it sounded like the frequency is capped

[vagrant pagoda]

A straight 140 cooler hits the caee

Pbo dosent make that much of a difference

1-2%

Because you can't increase voltage

[ashen spindle]

yeah but if you could do direct die or XOC to get it cool enough 1.2v could be enough to get some more frequency

also I would be curious to see when/how fast it dies from higher voltage lol

[vagrant pagoda]

I mean pbo dose scale with temperature

Which is much better than 5800x3d lol

Where the stock clocks are as good as you get

And you just keep taking power off the curve until the clouds drop just to save power

[ashen spindle]

ok I did misunderstand the scatterbench video

you cang et higher clocks on vcache ccd but only from eclck and stuff

[astral haven]

Got a real collection up in here
Can't run this at full speed on z790

Or x670

Gotta get me that w790

[empty wren]

Seemed too big so I chose a Thermalright AXP-90 X47 instead

[crisp granite]

what kind of system are you even trying to build?

that's a cooler even I wouldn't buy

[empty wren]

Okay so far I got ghost s1

i7-12700K

[crisp granite]

ooooooh

yeah that makes perfect sense

[empty wren]

Cooler master atf 850w

[crisp granite]

I have a Raw S1

good shit

[empty wren]

Hmm

Is that one better?

[crisp granite]

louqe cases are nice

[crisp granite]

honestly, the ghost is the better of the two cases if you can handle a 2 slot restriction

I couldn't

[empty wren]

I see

Well ghost it is

Was less pricey for me too for 10$ less

[crisp granite]

granted I have more cooler and GPU space

[empty wren]

Fair enough

[crisp granite]

just no watercooling potential

that's the trade off

[empty wren]

Same with ghost I think

Unless everything is done neatly

[crisp granite]

with tophats, it can

[empty wren]

Oh

I see

[crisp granite]

can fit a 240mm rad

kinda nutty

[empty wren]

Nevermind den

Maybe I will look into that

[crisp granite]

kinda shocked you didn't get a tophat tbh

[empty wren]

I thought it was some bullshit

I will maybe get it later

Since I do not know which GPU I will pick later this year

And based on on quintosh response AIO is probably the way to go with 12700K

[crisp granite]

honestly, if I were you, I would either get very comfortable with an undervolt and some noise from the heatsink fan
or the AIO and pump noise

then again, it's an ITX case, not a good candidate for a serious overclock

[empty wren]

I will eventually go with AIO thinking about it now

Since the case is tiny

And airflow in the area of the components is tough

[crisp granite]

Raw has 12L volume

and I'm still going air cooled

[empty wren]

Raw is probably still better for air cooling

[crisp granite]

plan on just running my CPU in eco mode

[empty wren]

Because you can pull the air out the top

And everything is stacked in a way that looks like it would not be going against a wall

[crisp granite]

oh

you mean this joke

[empty wren]

A joke

I was more thinking like Xbox series x style

[crisp granite]

yeah...

but an exposed case fan

like that

...ew

I hope they get around to making a tophat thing so it can just...not look like complete ass

[empty wren]

Hmm

[crisp granite]

till that happens, I ain't running a top fan (even if that's been proven to improve temps by 5 to 10 degrees)

[empty wren]

Alright then

To be honest personally does not look bad to me

If you got a 3d printer could make a side cover for it or something

[crisp granite]

honestly...same

and I think if the fan is alright looking it wouldn't bother me too much

plan on running a silentwings 4 pro on top

[empty wren]

Hmm fan blades look interesting

[shadow minnow]

Will be fun with cats

[crisp granite]

disposed of the catgirl

don't have that issue anymore

[empty wren]

I think they will likely break a blade, already broke two fans on my printer by touching it on accident an Allen key

[mild dome]

Reminder me of somin

[empty wren]

Sadly apple never updated it

[mild dome]

Apple seems to really hate the high end desktop market, as they finally replaced this thing with the Mac Pro (cheese grater) version after like 4 years of no updates, and now that version has seen absolutely no updates since it was released. Yet Apple continues selling it for the original release price

[empty wren]

Here is the thing

Apple will not probably releasing a new one any time some again anyways

Due to non modular components to be apple style now

And yes sadly apple could not care so much about what makes them not so much money

Iphone sales is where it is at

At the very least the cheese grater has the space possibility to get better

[mild dome]

Plus Apple wants to leave x86 behind and I doubt they want to imvest R&D into making an enterprise Mx chip to compete with the Xenon and threadripper/Epic chips

[old marlin]

it's called Xeon

not xenon

[sharp badger]

"Even so, we do not recommend TRUE Copper be installed on a vertical platform and we do not recommend users moving about the case when TRUE copper is installed inside." Very heavy indeed http://thermalright.com/product/true-copper/

[misty saffron]

still can't get used to computer specs not looking right

used to gpu and neural stuff being combined, and the much bigger amount of cores

wish we had a better replacement for those more or less meaningless numbers

[old marlin]

full copper coolers are actually not as good of an idea as you would think

aluminum fins are actually better at dispersing heat to the ait

[misty saffron]

cpu core count in specs is fine, i'm sure anyone can grasp the concept of "x parallel tasks at a time"

[old marlin]

http://thermalright.com/product/hr-09-2280-pro-black/

wtf

[misty saffron]

gpu core count - definitely not

[lofty pivot]

lol amd 5800x3d jumped up in amazon sales after all the reviews of 7000 series x3d hit

top 4 is all amd now

[marsh glade]

5800x3d is more than plenty enough, the top end was a let down for way too much extra cash

Though I'm looking towards AMD and Intel duking it out in an all out price war before I feel like I'd want to upgrade my 5600x

[ashen spindle]

well the real upgrade would be the 7800x3d if you look just at gaming

they know that so they launch that later

[marsh glade]

As long as you don't mind turning off half the cores to increase performance

[ashen spindle]

no thats just a temporary thing while the whitelist didnt include factorio or such

[lofty pivot]

seems like a lot of the benefits of the extra cache already came with the 5800x3d, a big price jump just for small performance gains to that 7800x3d

[marsh glade]

It was late last night that I was watching it, but Gamer's Nexus was talking about the physical location of those cores relative to the stacking of the cache which required reducing clock speeds for those cores

Ain't no software fix going to change that

[ashen spindle]

uh I mean thats the exact same as on the 5800x3d

turning of half the cores doesnt do anything there

that was for the cases where it put the game on the wrong ccd

[marsh glade]

Not sure on the details, but if the 5800x3d doesn't run at as high a clock speed as the new one then the difference in clock speed would likely be smaller and therefore less relevant

[ashen spindle]

ok now I'm getting lost in what you are comparing xD

the extra cache reduces max clock speeds a bit yes

the difference between the 5800x3d and the current zen4 skus is that they have 2 chiplets, only one has extra cache, so depending what the game benefits more from, you can put the game to run on just that chiplet

the turning off is just a thing that HUB or so did to show that factorio for example got put onto the non cache chiplet because it didn't do something correct to get seen as a game

you dont actually have to turn off half your cores, they can fix it or you can manually assign it, the turning of was just to simulate how a 7800x3d would be

[wheat plume]

The Steam Deck includes RivaTuner to monitor system stats while gaming
LOL

[old marlin]

also atm the scheduler for the 7950x3d is quite limited

so it sometimes assigns games badly

factorio runs on non x3d cache CCD

and cs runs on the x3d cache CCD for example

when the other way around would be quicker

[ashen spindle]

its not limited there, factorio apparently doesn't show itself as a game so the cpu doesnt know to put it on the right ccd

they use the xbox game bar for it and if factorio doesnt trigger that, that's on factorio

[reef patrol]

Does any game trigger that godawful API if they can avoid it?

[mild dome]

I imagine the 7xxxx3D might age like "fine wine" if the drivers improve over time, eventually getting you the best of fast cores/cache cores. Though with the cost of the board and DDR5 I presume it would still be best to wait for the Zen 5 (presumably 9xxxx) with 3D cache. Hopefully at that point the boards and DDR5 would be lower in price, better performance, all the driver shortcomings of 2 chiplet x3D has been fixed, and there might actually be some PCIE 5.0 things at a reasonable price on the market

[ashen spindle]

there is no fine wine drivers to improve, just that some games dont report as games and the whitelist for games that dont need cache needs to be updated

and for the 7800x3d you only have one ccd anyway

[old marlin]

yea but if a game prefers to run on the other CCD there is no real option to set that

[ashen spindle]

yes there is

you can set either ccd as priority ccd

manually per game basis? dont know, process lasso worst case xD

[old marlin]

lol

"ideally" you'd set manual core affinity for games like CS anyways

[ashen spindle]

since they use chipset drivers for it, I could see them add an option to adrenalin or so to assign it

[vagrant pagoda]

https://youtu.be/9BwNt6PD-00

[rough osprey]

https://twitter.com/LogitechG/status/1630479164930248705?t=pAs1HwaRbUUkC29Eg1I2Pg&s=19

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bruh

[vagrant pagoda]

So people were taking their vrm heatsinks and ziptieing them to SSDs. So they made it a product.

Looks like x3d direct die might be worth it with eclk oc

[ashen spindle]

yeah thats the video I mentioned yesterday

[pale sigil]

I legit hate this lol

Bloody bungie did it with some company too, It makes me cringe so much

[pale sigil]

Lmao I looked at recent tweets etc, that's fucking hilarious.

I'd be mad too

[rough osprey]

they just be trolling

[ashen spindle]

oh hey the driver for rtx video super resolution is out now

https://videocardz.com/driver/nvidia-geforce-game-ready-531-18

chrome already supports it since a version ago so seems like we finally get it working

[coral lynx]

I may be making my self sound dumb but, what is RTX video super resolution?

[ashen spindle]

upscale videos on youtube and such on your gpu

the site also has an example image 😉

[wheat plume]

when he accidently shows his Apple card balance

[ashen spindle]

what there to see?

[wheat plume]

lol just flexing that yt / job money

idk what is the difference between card balance and amount available in Apple Pay

is there a wallet balance per card you have on that??

[mossy plinth]

I was gonna say, isn't that a low card balance even if there is more available?

[wheat plume]

Yeah
not sure how it works

Seems each individual card has its own balance?

and pulls the money from your overall wallet if you need to add more?

[ashen spindle]

probably just like any credit card, it's the balance on the card and the available is the money on your linked account

[mossy plinth]

Like if that's the persons savings too I wouldn't say it's that much of a flex

[wheat plume]

I refuse to believe this guy has only 16k in total from all accounts

[mossy plinth]

Oooh yeah that could be his max credit/overdraft amount or something?

[ashen spindle]

who says he linked all his accounts to it

if you have seperate accounts you dont link them all to a credit card lol

[wheat plume]

yeah, then what is difference between card balance and total available?

[ashen spindle]

balance = balance on the card
available = money on the liked bank account

[wheat plume]

I doubt it would show your bank balance due to privacy reasons? Even Paypal or Revolut dont have access to that information

[ashen spindle]

paypal also isnt acting as a credit card last I checked

[wheat plume]

Revolut does, its an actual bank also

Yet that still cannot access your bank account balance

[reef patrol]

Credit allowance.

[wheat plume]

huh?

[pale sigil]

You don't have credit allowance in sheep land

?

[reef patrol]

There appears to to be a 16.500$ credit allowance on the account/card.

[mossy plinth]

Paypal is in the UK at least

[pale sigil]

Well

Depends

I have a PayPal credit card

[mossy plinth]

it never ends

[reef patrol]

Yeah it always depends on your contract with Paypal.

[ashen spindle]

that is a seperate option, using paypal by default is different form a card

[pale sigil]

PayPal credit is completely separate and isolated aye

I have PayPal credit too.

Wish I could use my physical card with it

[mossy plinth]

I just wish paypal got the hint that I don't want credit nor ever use their pay in three system

[reef patrol]

Add a filter to move them directly to the bin based on the exact title field.

[wheat plume]

https://youtu.be/tKbV6BpH-C8

This channel is very nice :D

[mossy plinth]

Now that makes sense but requires effort. Instead I will be British and complain about it and change nothing.

[vagrant pagoda]

I have personal and business credit cards with paypal

As well as business credit line

I use zero of them lol

Don't trust PayPal with money so I never leave any in the account

But they keep trying to entice me lol

[ashen spindle]

not sold out yet lol

[mossy plinth]

I had a paypal rep calling me everyweek to add the "pay in three" feature to our website and update to their latest payment option. They are crazy persistent

[old marlin]

people prob care a lot more about hte 7800x3d

also is the 7900x3d weird to just me?

[ashen spindle]

no I think its just failed 7950 versions that had an issue in the stacking process to reuse them

I dont expect them to be in higher volume

[old marlin]

ig could be

I'd not be surprised to see 7800x3ds with a "zeppelin" die like they did with TR

aka

just dies that were too bad

[ashen spindle]

dont think so

[vagrant pagoda]

Luckily I'm all in person and invoice

They do haggle me to do times invoices and shit for thst

But I do repair work, lol no PM

[ashen spindle]

most 5800x3ds only had one die and not a dead dummy, and I expect most issue to happen in the stacking so would make more sense to have them be 7900x3ds

[vagrant pagoda]

Amd4/5 don't need the dummy

[old marlin]

yea prob

[vagrant pagoda]

TR needed the dummys

[old marlin]

I mean the point of chiplets is to filter out the dead ones before

[vagrant pagoda]

Because they need the support for the ihs

[ashen spindle]

yes but some still had a dead die

[old marlin]

it wasn't dummies for TR

[vagrant pagoda]

For the socket torque/pressure

[ashen spindle]

not for structure but for binning

[old marlin]

they claimed it was dummies

but they were at least intended to be functional at some point

[vagrant pagoda]

No

They were bad binned

[old marlin]

aka

they were intended to be functional

[ashen spindle]

but sometimes they had to fill spots with dummy dies

[vagrant pagoda]

They weren't installed to the interposer thinking they worked

All dies go though binning before they are mounted

Those that don't fit any existing sku profile are dead

And used as a dunmy

[old marlin]

well yea

[vagrant pagoda]

They are lasered off so they can't work

[old marlin]

dies get tested before getting installed

[vagrant pagoda]

That makes them a dummy die

[old marlin]

unless something goes wrong they know exactly how it will work before getting attached to the substrate

[vagrant pagoda]

The reason they don't use a slug, is because it's easier to have one machine profile bonding then to the substrate

So they just use bad dies

With am4/am5 they just glob expoy over the empty die spot

The ihs is too small to flex so they don't worry about it

Also y'all noticed how binned the x3d dies are?

5.4 at 1v

For single core boost

[worthy cobalt]

Ordered mine 2 min early heh

[ashen spindle]

yeah it was up a few minutes before launch xD

oh and the 7950x3d seems to be sold out now

[worthy cobalt]

I was browsing a heatsink for my DDC when i came back to the AM5 page 2 min early and saw that they were online already

Small panic moment xD

Yea they are out of stock now

[ashen spindle]

7900x3d still up

but over 90 pieces sold already

[worthy cobalt]

Ordered my 7950X3D, hopefully nothing goes wrong ^^

[ashen spindle]

just dont forget to install the latest chipset drivers

[pale sigil]

Nowhere near as fast as 5600x XD

[ashen spindle]

and bios

[pale sigil]

That was insane

And 5800x

[ashen spindle]

300 vs 700 usd parts

[pale sigil]

I guess

[halcyon moss]

memory speed and how it influences the 7950x3d

(and intel 13900ks)

ok a simulated 7800x3d actually

[ashen spindle]

mhh they likely have slight clock speed difference so memory testing on that doesnt seem logical to me, unless you actually want to fully turn off a ccd on your 7950x3d

but what do they use on the other parts?

5400?

[halcyon moss]

https://tweakers.net/reviews/10924/amd-ryzen-9-7900x3d-ryzen-7-7800x3d-en-sneller-geheugen.html
if youre interested

[ashen spindle]

ah 5200

[mossy plinth]

5900X seems to be still going strong 💪

[sour flicker]

can someone check my pc part picker and lmk if i should do anything to it

[mossy plinth]

swear that's the best bang for the buck CPU. it's even dropped like £150 since I've bought it

[sour flicker]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/CqqZY9

[ashen spindle]

uh yes aboslutely that needs to be changed lol

you dont need a 300 AIO cooler for that cpu and then just have a 3060

[reef patrol]

Laughs in custom watercooled 5600X

[sour flicker]

it’s my first pc build

[ashen spindle]

if you get rid of that, cheaper board and a different combo of case and fans you can put a 3080 into the budget

[sour flicker]

so change out the mobo and fans to cheaper?

[vagrant pagoda]

get a TR assiain and a x3d

lol

[ashen spindle]

need to get back to work so cant update the list for you but you can get a lot faster hardware for that money

[vagrant pagoda]

i mean

a lot of it is case and fans lol

if youre buying all the fans, get a cheap non rgb fan aio

yeah

a lian li uni fan aio is the same price

and saves you from buying the 2 fans

[sour flicker]

perfect i’ll change that

[final flame]

Lianli fans kinda really expensive, even more expensive than Corsair

Rbg gets old real quick

[halcyon moss]

i'd never buy watercooling tbh.. too much hassle

[reef patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/lies-disbelief-gif-25426768

[vagrant pagoda]

https://www.adorama.com/liga36slalga.html

the 360 is on backorder though

put that in the top

save 200 bucks lol

[final flame]

Coming from someone who used to color their PC anytime I changed my wallpaper, then went to only white, then just turned everything off

[vagrant pagoda]

i never judge the rgb shit

if they want to spend money on it let them

meanwhile i have a solid side panel torrent XD

[mossy plinth]

Y'all look at your PC?

[final flame]

When it's on your desk you do

[true quest]

the trick is to have a set palette

[mossy plinth]

I just hide mine under my desk to keep my legs warm

and to hide all the cables

If I can't see it, it's not a problem.

[coral lynx]

Oh. My. God.

[final flame]

I like tempered glass, but rgb does get old, especially so if you're sleeping in the same room as your pc

[mossy plinth]

what if I told you I cable managed this like two weeks ago but it got to this state after I changed my monitor mounts

[vagrant pagoda]

just set it to go off when pc sleeps

[ashen spindle]

You don’t turn off your pc at night?

[final flame]

Heh, not the ram

[vagrant pagoda]

mine dose

[true quest]

do you not turn off your lights when you sleep lmao

[coral lynx]

I'd believe you. Any time I make a change I screw everything up. Then I spend another 2 hours unhooking everything and starting over.

[mossy plinth]

gotta keep it on for that lovely HDD tippy tappy whitenoise

[final flame]

I also don't like using hibernate because it fills up my C drive

[old marlin]

just like

shut it off

?

[mossy plinth]

basically what happened is that it was perfect but then I had to redo it all and couldn't be bothered. Plus nobody looks under there.

[vagrant pagoda]

also

[final flame]

Got stuff open, don't want to open it again when I power it up

[vagrant pagoda]

if youre going to do the mini

why no matx?

and shift the board down

and run top rad

[reef patrol]

Oh noooo... a temporary cache of RAM AMOUNT. That's not even a modern game worth of space these days 😄

[vagrant pagoda]

yeah

i have 64GB

lol

and its not bad

amke sure windows is making a fuckton of swap space

[final flame]

You'd be surprised how much it fills up, I've had about 50gb worth of hibernate file

[reef patrol]

It literally can't be larger than your RAM though.

[vagrant pagoda]

it is literally your ram size

its fixed

[final flame]

I have to run swap because I need more ram

[vagrant pagoda]

even when unused

[vagrant pagoda]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/VCjF2m

swap the cooler and cpu

and you might as well get the lian li psu, as its same price but 100w+

idk why pcpartpicker dosent show it in stock

https://amzn.com/dp/B0BCVBNQCZ

if you dont care about white, the silverstone 800w platium is the same money

the lianli has 3x8pin pcie so you can run a 12pin off it for a 3080/90

[sour flicker]

thanks i’ll swap the psu too

[vagrant pagoda]

Also if you're going that far

The lian li vertical GPU 4.0 is only 50 bucks on Newegg right now

If that's your fancy

Run the aio up top and the rear 120 as exhaust, and the 3 uni fans on the bottom as intake

Will be fine for a vertical gpu

[crisp granite]

I know frozencpu bit the big one over half a decade ago

But has anyone tried buying from them lately?

[vagrant pagoda]

They still are in bus

I got shit from them 3 months ago

[crisp granite]

Good service?

Fast turnaround?

[vagrant pagoda]

Normal

[crisp granite]

Alright

Good to know

Many thanks

[vagrant pagoda]

Behold the power https://hwbot.org/submission/5214968

1 out of 1 baby

[formal crown]

Out of current topic: I'd like to share something as record for future italian buyers having the same keyboard layout issue to go through. I found this https://www.kromekeycaps.com/products/language-addon?_pos=1&_sid=332479a16&_ss=r though it might not be the best solution, it seems to me like a good start.

(for search use - ignore these: italian italy layout profile ISO accent language )

[wheat plume]

https://youtu.be/Bf7vDBBOBUA

[sharp badger]

I've got a question regarding these new enormous GPUs and it's how much space is needed for the power connector?

NVIDIA have 36mm on the founders but can it be negated with the Cablemod connectors?

They are 21mm thick i think?

[ashen spindle]

the adapter is a bit more stiff, any 12pin cable should be more or less like a regular 8pin

[sharp badger]

Ok will either need to switch case or just buy a new PSU then to fit a bigger card into the 4000D I guess, because max height on CPU coolers in it is 170mm so with that power connector and a card like the Suprim X would not work , card 142mm + 36mm connector

FE picture

[ashen spindle]

or do what I did

cable is no issue if you just keep the case open

@sharp badger

[reef patrol]

[solemn remnant]

my case didn't even have sides on for 3 years

had to bust in some internal metal casings with a hammer to fit a new gpu in

[mild dome]

When do GPUs get big enough that you attach them to the case and have the motherboard hang off?

[ashen spindle]

I mean its just a 2 slot gpu for me

its just the cables

[reef patrol]

yes

[solemn remnant]

nice drone

[mild dome]

I like the look of open cases, but damn the dist would build so quickly in my house

[fervent shale]

Thinking outside the Box

[ashen spindle]

...yes, lets call it that and not me being lazy and not looking for other mounting solutions to close it xD

[gusty kiln]

I do wana try an open test bench as a daily driver

http://shopeu.dimastech.com/en/dimastech-bench-test-table

remember these guys?

Kinda wana try it

[ashen spindle]

I used to think at some point I want some wallmounted watercooled pc

then I learned how hardware works and that I rather have a normal setup to quickly change stuff if needed lol

[gusty kiln]

kek yeah

I would also like more options for full mesh case

[vagrant pagoda]

i had my 1090t on the lianli itx bench with a d14 once

ready for cable hell?

[vagrant pagoda]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7Lr3ujt4Ro

[tribal dirge]

Funny because I build drones

[iron pier]

anyone have some cooling solution recommendations (besides water cooling loop)? it's a FTW3 Ultra Hybrid.

[iron pier]

i didn't think 100c + was good either way lol

[astral haven]

alternatively you could just not run furmark or mine

[old marlin]

https://www.heise.de/news/Rote-Linien-Faeser-jetzt-auch-gegen-Chatkontrolle-mit-Handy-Scanning-7527401.html

pog

finally germany will take an official stance AGAINST eu wide automated chat scanning

[crimson wigeon]

BUT THINK OF THE CHILDREN

[old marlin]

the good old "foot in the door" tactic

because "thinking of the children" and "we need to catch terrorists" worked wo well with the other bs that they decided on

[old marlin]

yea until someone finds the crack in the system

which would be easy if they just remove all e2e encryption

[fair gull]

uh....

[fair gull]

you could try pointing a fan at the backplate lol

[old marlin]

Also check if that model has thermal pads between the vram on the back and the backplate

That was the major problem with the FEs

[halcyon moss]

https://www.reddit.com/r/ProgrammerHumor/comments/11dou0s/found_this_at_work_someone_padded_a_repo_with/

[wheat plume]

..... Oh

[wheat plume]

.-. why is 8gb still the base amount of RAM for Macs?

[reef patrol]

Because they make more efficient use of it, since almost all apps are made in-house.

They also love doing more harddrive/SSD caching than Windows if memory serves.

[ashen spindle]

closed eco system means you dont need overhead to support all possible options

[reef patrol]

Mhmm. It's not dissimilar to how consoles can push out better game performance using less powerful hardware, because they can optimize for a more specific hardware spec.

[wheat plume]

but it costs 300 extra to upgrade the RAM :/

[reef patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-gif-23999135

Don't want those pesky customers to be able to it themselves either. Gotta buy a new Mac instead.

[wheat plume]

🤔

interesting

limited to text only, no photos or videos or group chats

[wheat plume]

ah yes, cause Audiophiles are the bass lovers /s

Only true Audiophiles use Beats and SkullCandy Crushers

[mossy plinth]

I mean, a lot of cheap headphones struggle with good bass so it kinda makes sense. But obviously it's not the only thing to look out for

[wheat plume]

yeah xd

[mossy plinth]

lmao seems like the skullcandy crushers literally increased bass by having a dedicated haptic driver to make it feel bassier https://www.stereophile.com/content/skullcandy-crusher-wireless-over-ear-sealed-headphones-haptic-bass-drivers-page-2

[wheat plume]

yep

So much bass you cant hear anything else

[solemn remnant]

fucking hate treble

[wheat plume]

Skip to his sound test LOL https://youtu.be/VUhlvSsK2Ig

be careful tho, turn DOWN your volume

[mossy plinth]

Skullcandy literally went from treble only earphones to bass busting headphones huh

[wheat plume]

Bass thiccer than 2B's ass

https://tenor.com/bhDyj.gif

[mossy plinth]

I've not even looked at new headphones. Bought what I considered to be industry standard and they're still going strong after 7 years

[wheat plume]

what ones?

[mossy plinth]

Beyerdynamic DT770s

I think the cable has started to fray or crack so if it fully goes I'll just cable mod it

[wheat plume]

MICROSOFT, PLEASE BRING BACK THE FUCKING DESKTOP SWITCHING ANIMATION .-.

[solemn remnant]

it's interesting how DT770s have been around for.. a while now, but suddenly there seems to be a surge where every streamer / reviewer / tuber / whatever is using them

[wheat plume]

A lot of youtubers are using either DT770s or HyperX Cloud 2s :P

[mossy plinth]

DT770s are actually ancient headphones.
And I feel if you're like me and looking for decent headphones, you look at what others used. So I looked at what audio engineers and people who work with audio for a living used and the DT770 comes up.

[old marlin]

[old marlin]

yea like 1987 or something

still has the weaknesses it had back then

[solemn remnant]

just like me

[old marlin]

do you also have treble spikes?

a non-replaceable cable

[solemn remnant]

I have tinnitus so I guess so

[old marlin]

and breaking plastic pieces?

[solemn remnant]

broken back, cable snapped

everything checks out

[old marlin]

such a good design

[solemn remnant]

lul

my cloud 2's snapped like that

[mossy plinth]

I think mine is going around there, part should be orderable from beyerdynamic

How long did you have yours for?

[old marlin]

yes they are 15€ a piece

I don't have any lol

[mossy plinth]

nice, that's not too bad

[old marlin]

didn't like how they sound

roommate had 3 pairs already

[wheat plume]

[mossy plinth]

tf is your room mate doing with them

[old marlin]

this

he switched to uhhh

[mossy plinth]

purposely breaking them?

[old marlin]

fidelios?

I think

[old marlin]

nope

[mossy plinth]

I mean mine feels like it may break there in a few years and I've had it since 2016

I've taken it on planes and everything, what this person doing

[old marlin]

not the absolute worst build quality imo

but by no means built well

he400i was just horrible imo

[mossy plinth]

I'm still surprised this person has broke not just one pair but 3 pairs?

[old marlin]

it's just bad luck lol

he also was on his third pair when he moved in

so he has been goin on it for a while

was not 3 in a year or two

[mossy plinth]

1. How are they breaking so often
2. If you bought from a company and a product kept breaking, would you order it again?

[old marlin]

well

he got the first two for free

since amazon misdelivered them to him

when his neighbor ordered them

dunno why he bought them a third time

[solemn remnant]

wtf

[mossy plinth]

Still I'm surprised he's breaking that many

They are used in industry because of how tough and repairable they can be but also how good the quality is

[old marlin]

they are not repairable

lol

they don't even have an easily removable cable

[mossy plinth]

The cable is the hardest part to repair

[old marlin]

also stock cable is fuckoff long

making it inconvenient to use on a desk

[mossy plinth]

you said yourself the replacement part above is 15 euros?

[old marlin]

yes

but most pairs just don't need a replacement part

[mossy plinth]

but you said they aren't repairable

[old marlin]

literally every company will sell you replacement parts

[wheat plume]

My pair of Clouds 2 did not break in like the 4 years I had them

the earpad cushion wore out though

the fake leather started to peel and flake

[old marlin]

for the HD650 you can buy the entire headpohones

in parts

for example

[wheat plume]

oo

[old marlin]

the grill is oos atm

[wheat plume]

wait, whats their retail price?

[old marlin]

good question

[wheat plume]

cause two itemsd there are 80 euro

[old marlin]

but retail pricing is like 20 years old

[solemn remnant]

planning to build them yourself from parts?

[old marlin]

no

not worth

also own one already

[old marlin]

looks like 380€ atm

[wheat plume]

oohh

[old marlin]

you can get them for ~300€ usually

the HD6XX is the same thing essentially

different cable

and just blue plastic

no fancy paints

[mossy plinth]

Yeah DT770 wins on price point there, there isn't much competition at that price point