Yes that is useful
#🔌│tech
shadow minnow
crisp granite
for this build
because...uh
https://www.louqe.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/Raw-S1-Full-spec.pdf
this is smol PC
ashen spindle
wtf you putting int here that 750 is not enough?
shadow minnow
I wanted to design a smol pc case before market got too flooded and GPUs got too big
crisp granite
wtf you putting int here that 750 is not enough?
uh...well
uh
thinkin next gen flagship, or whatever is around 1500 CAD for GPU
and an R9 7900X3D?
shadow minnow
I wish I got different fans for my pc
shadow minnow
uh...well
uh
thinkin next gen flagship, or whatever is around 1500 CAD for GPU
a...
And what are you gonna cool it with, vodka? 
crisp granite
I wish I got different fans for my pc
crisp granite
And what are you gonna cool it with, vodka? <:dogekek:846285268289323069>
heatsinks?
astral haven
ippc bad
shadow minnow
No rbg
crisp granite
what is the problem with them?
shadow minnow
No bgr
astral haven
extremely loud for the airflow
shadow minnow
Unlike me
crisp granite
extremely loud for the airflow
I have closed back headphones and give zero fucks
if I'm putting shit in a 12L case that needs cooling, it needs cooling
astral haven
gets absolutely decimated by the arctic p12s at everything except max rpm
crisp granite
gets absolutely decimated by the arctic p12s at everything except max rpm
...that's actually my plan
they go brrr
crisp granite
and if you want airflow get the thickbois
these are 25mm
shadow minnow
Trying to hide screaming of people in your basement? @crisp granite
crisp granite
you mean even thicker?
won't fit the case
astral haven
yea the 35mm from whowever
crisp granite
Trying to hide screaming of people in your basement? <@449275309909344266>
no comment
astral haven
as an ippc owner i would highly recommend against them
crisp granite
should I get P12 Reduxes instead?
astral haven
highly recommended
crisp granite
for half the price, I'd fuckin hope so
astral haven
both quieter and very similar airflow
sharp badger
Read some article/tweet that the 7800X3D would run faster than the 7950X3D? Is it because of the clocks?
crisp granite
both quieter and very similar airflow
if the airflow is that similar, I'll use those instead
astral haven
theres a 30 or 35mm fan that is signficantly better and not that expensive
crisp granite
theres a 30 or 35mm fan that is signficantly better and not that expensive
won't fit
astral haven
you sure?
crisp granite
very sure
sharp badger
T30's would be the choice then
crisp granite
mini ITX build, sandwich style, 12L case
astral haven
30mm is not that much more than 25
misty saffron
Read some article/tweet that the 7800X3D would run faster than the 7950X3D? Is i...
well the latter has more cores at the very least
crisp granite
it'll fit a staggering 1 120mm fan that isn't a CPU heatsink
crisp granite
30mm is not that much more than 25
the exhaust fan mount isn't cut out enough to accept a 30mm fan
final flame
These ones?
astral haven
depth
final flame
gets absolutely decimated by the arctic p12s at everything except max rpm
@crisp granite
Idk anymore
astral haven
wait you arent using this for a radiator?
shadow minnow
Arctic fans are great value
shadow minnow
Also their coolers
crisp granite
no AIO mounts on this case
final flame
Personally I'm just going to use them as case fans
crisp granite
AIRFLOW is the goal
astral haven
yea then the arctic reduxes are useless
sharp badger
https://www.reddit.com/r/Louqe/comments/sfcj9q/phanteks_t30_30mm_thick_fan_for_louqe_raw_s1_top/ 1 got a T30 to fit after some sanding according to this thread some others didn't
astral haven
arctic p12 has 2 versions, regular and co version, co version is slightly higher speed and lower noise but more spensiv
pale sigil
I'm not fussed if I nuke my OS
crisp granite
arctic p12 has 2 versions, regular and co version, co version is slightly higher...
will probably cost less than iPPC fans either way
astral haven
about half the price last i checked
final flame
So the Artics are only good for radiators?
astral haven
the reduxes are only good for radiators
final flame
What would you say is the best fan just for only airflow, not cfm pressure
astral haven
pfc1212de
crisp granite
within a 25mm form factor?
astral haven
ew
final flame
Is it just me or does the thermaltake fans look like they're doing the anime blushing
astral haven
its just you
sharp badger
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ex_Dpe7ZxaA Here's a test on a few fans , Unrestricted/Free Flow/Radiator CFM
shadow minnow
Is it jut me or do thermaltake products look like they are shamelesssly copying other companies 
reef patrol
You mean Thermalfake? The company dubbed thus because they have historically copied every design ever?
shadow minnow
Someone was doing rpm normalized fan tasting for a while. Like, how does that make any, any sense
crisp granite
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ex_Dpe7ZxaA Here's a test on a few fans , Unrest...
ok....so the silentwings 4 is slightly better than the fans I currently plan on buying
reef patrol
Someone was doing rpm normalized fan tasting for a while. Like, how does that ma...
Tasting fans should not be considered taboo.
crisp granite
45 CAD per
...ok
I'll take the noctuas
for no real difference in air cooling performance, it ain't worth the hassle
astral haven
anything but the ippcs is fine
final flame
Someone was doing rpm normalized fan tasting for a while. Like, how does that ma...
Limits variables such as the motor performance and limits it only to the fans design
It makes sense just another thing to consider
shadow minnow
But it’s useless to know really
And it was testing done on the same motor
Of different designs of fans
Rpm % would maybe make sense
astral haven
you set rpm in many bioses
shadow minnow
But rpm number is just stupid imo
reef patrol
Not really.
shadow minnow
Yes but for testing it tells nothing, rpm normalized is useless
astral haven
it tells you exactly how to get the same results
shadow minnow
Different designs run different speeds with same motor
shadow minnow
you set rpm in many bioses
You set rpm% I am pretty sure
astral haven
not in asus bios
reef patrol
You can set either in most BIOSes
astral haven
^
final flame
The best fan would be the one which would be able to output more at the same rpm, thus reducing noise and giving more headroom for more performance
astral haven
The best fan would be the one which would be able to output more at the same rpm...
my deltas are over 60db at 800 rpm
noise normalized is significantly better
shadow minnow
The best fan would be the one which would be able to output more at the same rpm...
No, because different blade designs are different. You can have a design that’s faster, more quiet and has better performance and more headroom
astral haven
but rpm normalizing isnt useless
fair gull
fair gull
bexin prob means this guy
shadow minnow
Yes
astral haven
temp normalized is useless
final flame
Still it was testing of fan sent designs
A company once asked someone whether they could use their design for a actual production fan yk
Not really useless
fair gull
A company once asked someone whether they could use their design for a actual pr...
same dude
shadow minnow
yea this is for fan blade designs with the same motor and housing
So I think it’s really stupid
To test rpm
astral haven
they need to make the testing fast because they test dozens of fans per month
and they cant do noise normalized because many of the fans are too loud even at minimum rpm
shadow minnow
Well do rpm % normalized
astral haven
why?
astral haven
he uh measures it...
astral haven
for actual consumer fans, noise normalized makes sense bc none of them are too loud to noise normalize lel
astral haven
yep just explaining for bexin
shadow minnow
I don’t get why wouldn’t rpm% make more sense
astral haven
because that would change the rpm tested
then you would be normalizing exactly nothing
shadow minnow
It would be normalizing performance at fraction of speed
astral haven
nope
shadow minnow
Unlike rpm normalized which for one design may be 90% speed and 20% for another
astral haven
you mean pwm% i assume right?
fair gull
even that is questionable
sharp badger
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1krod5WCRA9PijKeDGPNNzWeh4sUpfwxWvQXdGxmh1CM/edit This is how their testing methodology is. Can always comment and suggest that they'd add more testing to it
pale sigil
does having a few partitions fuck with drive perf
astral haven
It can
pale sigil
for some reason my windows install is slow suddenly even with downloading.
astral haven
How much free space?
sharp badger
I bought T30s way before their testing started and very happy with them
astral haven
That's not enough
pale sigil
thats why im trying to extend rn
astral haven
So fix that first then complain about performance if it's still a problem after lel
pale sigil
ohits because its taking 10 min to download gpart
hahahahah
i have 500 down
and its not the server since my cousin insta downloads too
astral haven
So that 8gb of free space probably has a bunch of files in it
Run the system cleanup program
vagrant pagoda
or well packet drops
Oof
pale sigil
Ye......
pale sigil
cant even change partition order
reef patrol
That WOULD require copying the entire partition to another drive, then wipe it, then overwrite the space with one of the other ones (also copied) bit by bit.
It's a logical harddrive, it's like trying to take parts of a vinyl record and rearranging them.
astral haven
thats not quiiiite true
a partition can be moved by basically rotating the data around, as long as theres enough free space somewhere on the drive
you only need 4k (or whatever your block size is) of free space technically
pale sigil
hahha if i wasn't duel booting id be fine
reef patrol
thats not quiiiite true
a partition can be moved by basically rotating the data ...
That's defragging while copying and you can't convince me otherwise. Reeeee
astral haven
That's defragging while copying and you can't convince me otherwise. Reeeee
i mean that would be the end result
pale sigil
tbf
astral haven
also on an ssd you dont need to do any of this
pale sigil
any tips
astral haven
there are programs that just directly do what you want
astral haven
i paid for macrium reflect but im sure there are free alternatives
the important part is booting off of another drive
pale sigil
in terms of data i have nothing to lose but i do not wish to re install
and my Linux distro should be safe
astral haven
why cant you fix the problem while booted into linux?
pale sigil
just not given me the option
astral haven
so you are booted into linux and looking at gparted and its not giving you the option?
pale sigil
correct
astral haven
what exactly are you trying to do?
astral haven
think of the partitions as being on a rail
you can only move them left or right, and they cant move past each other
pale sigil
so ye im screwed]
astral haven
why?
pale sigil
i cant
astral haven
boot into linux
astral haven
it only lets you do 1mb?
astral haven
interesting
well i did it without issue using macrium, but there are probably other software packages that do it for free
vagrant pagoda
Typical Linux user wallpaper XD
vagrant pagoda
You have to put g parted in unsafe mode to move the nTFS
vagrant pagoda
It's an option
I forget what it's calldd
But livecds start with it in that mode
You can't move p5?
astral haven
apparently can only move it 333mb to the right?
astral haven
you shrink the left side by however much you want and expand the right side by that much
astral haven
also how do i access that mode
you have to unmount the drive
the whole drive
so basically you need to boot to another os
astral haven
you unmounted it?
astral haven
rats
well i dunno 🤷
astral haven
macrium has a free trial
astral haven
you install the software, then use it to make a bootable usb
pale sigil
Oh which software do I need
astral haven
macrium
astral haven
ye
use it to make a portable environment usb
pale sigil
Rescue media?
astral haven
ye
pale sigil
astral haven
sounds good
astral haven
boot menu?
pale sigil
I think my install is just outright fucked
Right
Making it now
What exactly is this doing?
Linux distro with reflect on?
pale sigil
Right well, I'll boot it.
astral haven
and it has a custom version of the software that can basically do whatever
pale sigil
But I feel like this won't fix my os issue
astral haven
it probably wont
astral haven
your windows has to be working for it to help
astral haven
first you need to move the partition to get the free space next to the windows partition
then commit changes and probably reboot?
astral haven
checkmark only the partition you want to move and it should give you options
astral haven
other tasks?
astral haven
well im stumped
pale sigil
Fuck it
Re install it is
Oh I think the trial doesn't include it
Oh
Workstation
I need home
astral haven
no workstation is correct
pale sigil
I hate windows
astral haven
You did this to yourself
astral haven
Now I don't know why following the same steps I took to move stuff around isn't working for you but you still gotta admit this wouldn't have happened if you had partitioned your drive right in the first place
pale sigil
Something funky is going on with my network
Iso downloads are super slow
Nah idk because when I download from Google it's fine
So strange
Screw it
I'm going bed
Live and learn....
Prob 80gb for windows like I do vms lol
Didn't think it would fill up so fast man
I Jane nothing on there but launchers and browsers.
Ideally I'll fix partition order too
final flame
okay crazy story but, A friend of mine was having issues with their explorer task constantly crashing on windows 11
He did a clean install of windows 11
issue went away but for some reason his data on a external ssd got corrupted
I was showing him a way to return the windows 10 context menu and taskbar
the program I showed caused the explorer task to do the same thing
I had him restore the pc with system restore
fixed the explorer issue, and somehow fixed the external ssd corruption
Idk wtf happened anymore, how does this happen
this don't make sense
if any of ya'll have any ideas
pale sigil
@reef patrol I'm ok to use isopropyl on a gpu to clean right
reef patrol
Sure? As long as there's no plexi covers or anything.
pale sigil
reef patrol
Yeah that's fine.
Could use a soft toothbrush and scrub it a bit if the dust is stuck
fair gull
Could use a soft toothbrush and scrub it a bit if the dust is stuck
make up brushes
those work eonderfully
ofc only ones never used for make up
so no stuff in the bristles
soft synthetic bristle paint brushes also work really well
tribal dirge
Oof, that’s a very dusty pcb
reef patrol
Eh... I use a toothbrush to scrape things loose. If a brush that soft was enough I wouldn't need a brush in the first place 😄
fair gull
ud be surprised how nit stuck that dust is
tribal dirge
make up brushes
Noooo, they are not esd safe.
fair gull
lol esd safe is smth ive never been concerned about with modern electronics
especially after linus and electromboom made a video
tribal dirge
You still run the risk of killing a component
ashen spindle
yeah for something like a gpu backplate any brush is fine if you dont brush it while the pc is running lol
tribal dirge
Sure, more likely than not it will just discharge via the ground connections on the pcb, but there is still a risk.
ashen spindle
you would need to be super charged or super bad humidity for it, then happen to hit a part that cant deal with it
which is, uh, probably as likely as cosmic ray killing it
fair gull
heres how you clean your shit, touch earth in your wall socket or touch an unpainted room heater surface, clean, be happy
tribal dirge
you would need to be super charged or super bad humidity for it, then happen to ...
Not necessarily, all it takes is to have a buildup of charge, and happen to discharge it by touching the wrong spot.
ashen spindle
yes and not just any amount but a heavy amount of charge and the wrong spot
tribal dirge
yes and not just any amount but a heavy amount of charge and the wrong spot
No, static discharges can measure in the kilowatts.
tribal dirge
https://youtu.be/4SjOv_szzVM
Yeah I saw, that’s because the ram stick was isolated.
If they had a connection to ground completing a circuit the chances of a failure happening would increase. Because now it can form a complete circuit.
fair gull
what do you mean isolated lol
they grounded it on purpose
if it was isolated it wouldnt even jump over
fair gull
never heard of that but sure. anyway its purposefully grounded, they go over the entire connector row and turn up the voltage a few times
tribal dirge
Hmm, interesting
fair gull
modern components are increasingly resistant to ESD
tribal dirge
Well, then again, the connections to ground are usually the lowest resistance, rather than through the ICs and circuits.
And electricity always takes the easiest path to complete a circuit.
fair gull
and seeing how in 8 years of building, repairing and cleaning PCs in my old job i never broke smth with ESD id say its highly unlikely
now if we talk fluids close to electronics
now u got me panicing
tribal dirge
now if we talk fluids close to electronics
Watercooling 
No actually, my cnc mill
Wires getting showered with metal chips and coolant.
fair gull
ngl at my old work place i forced my coworkers to not bring their fucking coke to the benches
simple rule only natural water
tribal dirge
Wires getting showered with metal chips and coolant.
There was one time where I left the motor controller panel open and ran the cnc, it got covered in coolant and metal chips.
fair gull
the metal chips are the most concerning part for sure
tribal dirge
Yeah, I had to clean that up.
Good thing it didn’t get to the spindle motor controller.
That thing runs on 3 phase 240v ac.
wheat plume
tribal dirge
https://youtu.be/EYrRL0WQz5Q
mild dome
Why are GoDaddy so shit at security?
Dunno about you, but every dad I know has the same password for everything
solemn remnant
wheat plume
True true
shadow minnow
It’s nice how you can upload any outside songs to Apple Music, select artists and add lyrics, or setup whatever you want to
Just gotta download a song it gets auto recognized usually and then can select author, genre that already has suggestions
pale sigil
God I hate intel
Took us a while to realise you can't go over 2900mhz on this mobo for ram
vivid iris
Hi all. I have a question for the developers concerning the automation macro wooting app
reef patrol
Hi all. I have a question for the developers concerning the automation macro woo...
#💻│wootomation for that.
untold grove
Talking about ESD. It is easy to tell it doesn't kill component, but how do you tell or prove that there is no component degradation after ESD happens? Not so easy.
wheat plume
FINALLY
AN ACTUALLY USEFUL BLUETOOTH TOGGLE IN GNOME
night obsidian
yo
wheat plume
;_;
reef patrol
wheat plume
No warranty?
zealous lake
I thought I had a dead pixel in my tablet, but then it started to move
reef patrol
No warranty?
I... I just can't be arsed at this point.
wheat plume
Yeah :/
reef patrol
Already had to swap my former monitor twice...and I have to carry it down to be picked back up a third time to get rid of it for good.
reef patrol
This little mother ducker has genuinely ruined my week.
frozen ingot
QC on monitors be pretty junk these days
vagrant pagoda
This little mother ducker has genuinely ruined my week.
I bought a 20 year old dell 30 inch monitor yesterday and it has no bad pixels
ashen spindle
get an oled and if a pixel dies it will just turn into an anorgangic led
vagrant pagoda
You can get stuck pixels on oled
ashen spindle
yes... twas a joke
fickle ore
get an oled and if a pixel dies it will just turn into an anorgangic led <:mm:63...
What's anorgangic?
😄
ashen spindle
is it inorganic? couldn't remember
fickle ore
both work
vagrant pagoda
is it inorganic? couldn't remember
Unorganic.
reef patrol
Nonganic
vagrant pagoda
Disgarlic
fickle ore
Quintosh got Dequined
solemn remnant
I'm just lethargic
pale sigil
@ashen spindle yo
Cousin upgraded to 2070 super and can't use 144hz atm
I'm assuming it's a limitation with older monitors
Acer GN246HL
Just wanted to check but his original duel DVI method wouldn't work
ashen spindle
huh
pale sigil
Nor hdmi which I'm guessing is because it's 1.4 and some older monitors don't allow or something?
zealous lake
pale sigil
It's confusing
ashen spindle
so its not hdmi 1.4 then?
pale sigil
Oh apparently you need duel DVI on both ends
As hdmi has had many repoets
Reports with this monitor
fair gull
so its not hdmi 1.4 then?
pretty sure they are 2.0a or b on the 20series
fair gull
Oh apparently you need duel DVI on both ends
dvi?
the frick
oh the monitor only has hdmi 1.4
so displayport to dvi cable to the rescue
pale sigil
@fair gull only DVI dual cam do 144
crisp granite
welp
you know you're being stupid when you're contacting the "guy you know" asking for a pretty niche product knowing that it probably supports AM4 with the stock backplate and is therefore perfectly useable for an AM5 build
crisp granite
you know you're being stupid when you're contacting the "guy you know" asking fo...
ok
found some documentation on the cooler...or at least a modern enough version of to have AM4 mounting instructions
it's a fuckin series of
it will work 100%
we're in business
now I just need to figure out how painful disconnecting the 140mm fan on the top will be
...what's the average length of a fan cable?
yo dawg, I heard you like USB-C as case I/O
ah, louqe
some of your design decisions baffle me
still a most beautiful case
zealous lake
Fan cables are like 30cm on average sometimes a bit more
crisp granite
ah, perfect
unplugging it will still be impossible but whatevs
unless I daisy chain to the rear exhaust...
that could work
fair gull
<@130036426912825344> only DVI dual cam do 144
the monitor doesnt have dvi dual unless u mean dual link which DP easily supports so yes a DP to DVI-D cable totally does the trick
shadow minnow
Doge are you 12?
reef patrol
Narrator: He was in truth both.
latent mural
trying to find a good amp for gaming, preferably less than 100
latent mural
LOL actually?
shadow minnow
shadow minnow
crisp granite
is it fr good?
really fucking good
latent mural
NA version specifically
how do i know if its NA version or not
gusty kiln
can just get it at a best buy if you have one
shadow minnow
how do i know if its NA version or not
If you are in NA it very likely is
crisp granite
how do i know if its NA version or not
um
do you
or do you not live in NA
if you're a europoor you're kinda fucked lol
latent mural
i live in NA
crisp granite
i live in NA
eyyyyy
latent mural
ima order it off of amazon
shadow minnow
crisp granite
ima order it off of amazon
apple direct to be assured it's the right one
shadow minnow
I should have gotten one imported when I had the oprotunity
crisp granite
I've gotten eu shit from Amazon before
crisp granite
I should have gotten one imported when I had the oprotunity
knob
shadow minnow
Though if I really wanted it probably can get it in about half a year
pale sigil
@shadow minnow want me to get you one?
My friend is coming home soon and I'm getting another.
latent mural
I've gotten eu shit from Amazon before
ah okay
crisp granite
Bexin, want me to bring one for you when at wootup?
latent mural
ill take a look
shadow minnow
<@590931863951114260> want me to get you one?
Hmm I mean I wouldn’t really use it rn tbh, only use AirPods or inbuilt speakers
pale sigil
@crisp granite you're not going wootup?
shadow minnow
Bexin, want me to bring one for you when at wootup?
I mean you can, but main thing is come to wootup
crisp granite
I ended up flunking midterm and dropped the course on the day of
shadow minnow
Didn’t you say it was your best subject
crisp granite
mhm
pale sigil
Hol up
crisp granite
still not going to do well in it
pale sigil
Now i I might actually go
shadow minnow
Well ofc
pale sigil
Ye
shadow minnow
It will probably be cheaper than train tickets to Manchester
crisp granite
also means you don't have to go to Manchester
latent mural
is there a way to tell if its the NA version?
shadow minnow
Well if you order from NA Apple Store for example it’s definitely NA
Probably serial number too
latent mural
i could just go to best buy later today..
gusty kiln
the only thing is no knob
hmm, wiping my mousepad down with alcohol-free wipes seems to do just was well as full cleaning it in a bath tub
dries way faster too
solemn remnant
I just cook my salmon in the dishwasher
reef patrol
Definitely don't machine wash mousepads.
Soak em in a tub container, bucket or bathtub if possible. Then rinse them off with a showerhead and hang em to dry in the sun.
solemn remnant
there's a story about a guy who tried to do that, his wings burned
reef patrol
...wat
hollow carbon
icarus used mouse pads for wings ?
tribal dirge
Soak em in a tub container, bucket or bathtub if possible. Then rinse them off w...
Or just don’t get a cloth mouse pad. 
cursive grove
Or just don’t get a cloth mouse pad. <:HAHAHAHA:919751378388267008>
Ummm actshually I ushe a glassh moushepad 🤓
wheat plume
I think Samsung finally ran out of glue to permanently glue their batteries into their phones
the S23 Ultra has a pulltab to keep the battery in place instead
solemn remnant
maybe they ran out of horses
final flame
https://i.redd.it/q6j7nik3zkka1.png
dawn needle
dodododo
tribal dirge
I think Samsung finally ran out of glue to permanently glue their batteries into...
lolll
latent mural
helo
can i ask something please??
because i have large fingers and hands
which keys to buy??
from my wooting 2 he??
empty wren
can i ask something please??
Why ask to ask
empty wren
which keys to buy??
Assuming you mean keycaps get SA sculpted, mt3o or KAT keycaps. All of them are tall and each row is sculpted so you will be less prone to hitting the row above.
Avoid any cheap SA knockoffs for $30 they are not sculpted in the right places and are mostly row 3.
true quest
empty wren
🤓
true quest
helmet is the only thing i don't like
sharp badger
shadow minnow
That’s nice, will also cool ram
pale sigil
https://wccftech.com/this-top-down-cpu-air-cooler-offers-cooling-up-to-265w-riva...
Hahaha I thought this was a gpu cooler for a second and was confused
I'm genuinely considering moving to air cooling again asap
sharp badger
Would be interesting to test also have extra T30s laying around.. 👨💻
Liquid freezer have the extra VRM fan so it's kinda acting like that for the ram part
pale sigil
Tbh with noctua fans it could be fun
old marlin
noctua fans aren't magic
some better fans could help obv
but they won't make it perform a whole lot better
mossy plinth
Noctua is great for silence, however actual flow? There is better.
old marlin
the NF-A12x25 is just a GT clone 
shadow minnow
Hmm arduino portenta h7 looks interesting
wheat plume
Xiaomi Mi 12 Ultra + Exposed 1.4 inch Camera Sensor + Externally mounted massive lens
tribal dirge
Xiaomi Mi 12 Ultra + Exposed 1.4 inch Camera Sensor + Externally mounted massive...
Lmao
I saw that video
It’s basically a point and shoot at that point.
wheat plume
Yep xd
tribal dirge
Lolz
mossy plinth
at $43k what is the point of it
tribal dirge
at $43k what is the point of it
You can definitely get a nicer camera at that price.
tribal dirge
there is only 3 of them
True
mossy plinth
ahh so it's a proof of concept more than anything
I was going to say I feel like you can hit most needs with a decent camera on a phone and a dedicated mirrorless
tribal dirge
I was going to say I feel like you can hit most needs with a decent camera on a ...
Apart from the fact that I can’t be at least APS-C
wheat plume
noi dea wtf that means
tribal dirge
Unlike the full frames of cameras now.
tribal dirge
noi dea wtf that means
Compact sensor size
old marlin
https://youtu.be/1_2hSsibj-E
lol I drive by that building he is in every day
building is designed after a roll of film
wheat plume
ooo
fair gull
fuck ya sony xperia 1 v is supposedly trash and expensive af
1.4grand for basically an xperia 1 iv with picture quality of an iphone 12.... from a phone which boasts about its camera features and being a DSLR replacement
sharp badger
Yeah but it's only for 7950X3D/7900X3D, reviews of them should arrive today or?
ashen spindle
yeah
ashen spindle
ashen spindle
so uh, who wanted to know factorio results lol
seems like its not on the default whitelist yet but once that changes or if you manually assign it, you have a fairly big increase lol
reef patrol
Simulated?
ashen spindle
one ccd turned off
reef patrol
Oh it hasn't released yet, so they're using a larger CPU with settings to match as much as possible?
reef patrol
What a time to be alive. CPUs specifically for sim games 😄
We've been craving these for decades.
vagrant pagoda
so uh, who wanted to know factorio results lol
In my modded Factorio world 5600x to 5800x3d was double the ups XD
But I went from 30 to 60 XD
ashen spindle
but for just gaming its best to wait for the 7800x3d it seems
vagrant pagoda
Rim world has been my best improvement
ashen spindle
as was expected
vagrant pagoda
but for just gaming its best to wait for the 7800x3d it seems
On paper the 7950x3d with working parking will be faster
Marginally
Because it has higher clocks on the 3dcache ccd
If the leaks are right
ashen spindle
we'll see
vagrant pagoda
It's 100mhz bumbs
ashen spindle
if its not locked pbo can just equal that out
vagrant pagoda
So 7800x3d will be 200mhz slower
vagrant pagoda
if its not locked pbo can just equal that out
It is
ashen spindle
we dont know yet
vagrant pagoda
You can OC the non cache ccx though
ashen spindle
yes but on the lower parts you might be able to get it up to the 7950x speeds
vagrant pagoda
The 7950x3d is locked on the 3d cache ccx
pale sigil
That 5800x3d though
vagrant pagoda
delidded it looks the same huh
The silicone is encapsulated to stop defusion
ashen spindle
makes sense I guess
vagrant pagoda
The most insane thing is
ashen spindle
https://images-ext-2.discordapp.net/external/lo4LSKxq6Mv5XKkJ8N6m4AlFwRhr5oHOc30Lnw7CN4I/https/tpucdn.com/review/ryzen-7800x3d-performance-preview/images/efficiency-gaming.png?width=531&height=731 not keeping your room warm with that smh
thanks for that cursed link discord
vagrant pagoda
The 7950x3d draws 1/2 the power compared to the i9 13900k
150 vs 300w
So if AMD can make more durable 3dvcache, it would absolutely decimate intel
Because it's 100w under even the 7950x
pale sigil
5800x3d still blowing me away
pale sigil
Like honestly
pale sigil
My upgrade path would be 5800x3d
If I got on offer
Haha
On a semi related note
Now I'm alone in this house electric usage really isn't as bad as I thought from my pc which tbf you did say.
ashen spindle
ashen spindle
I guess
vagrant pagoda
7900 has disabled cores
ashen spindle
but that seems soo unlikely to me that they damage it but rest still works, they failure rate should not be high enough to make an entire additional sku
unless that is just going to be low supply at all times
vagrant pagoda
That is how they binn chips fam
Always has been
And it isn't completely non working
ashen spindle
yeah but they also never had a 5600x3d and surely they had damaged 5800x3ds too
vagrant pagoda
It's normally just that core can't do the right frequency or voltage target
Back in the phenom 2 days you could unlock x3 and x2 cpus to qauds
fair gull
it also beats basically everything else in other games
dont make me want to switch platforms
vagrant pagoda
But you'd need a ton of volts to make them reach stock clocks
Same with unlockable gpus
ashen spindle
I know, but failure rates of anything cpu is so much lower than it was back then
vagrant pagoda
No it isn't
wheat plume
this is getting ridiculous .-.
vagrant pagoda
Literally amds main reason for going to chiplet was lower yields
ashen spindle
also surely they can test it before they add vcache if it even hits the targets for that
vagrant pagoda
also surely they can test it before they add vcache if it even hits the targets ...
That's why there is only 3 skus not more
pale sigil
this is getting ridiculous .-.
Just use brave
vagrant pagoda
For vcache the disabled cores probably just need too much voltage
wheat plume
Injecting code into the Chrome download site and loads a function to display this ad
fair gull
this is getting ridiculous .-.
not really. grandma and grandpa will be happy
fair gull
Injecting code into the Chrome download site and loads a function to display thi...
u sure its injecting code into the site
ashen spindle
I dont think its injecting code into the side
pale sigil
Injecting code into the Chrome download site and loads a function to display thi...
Are you sure it's not just an overlay
Haha 3 peeps
fair gull
so?
vagrant pagoda
Are you sure it's not just an overlay
That's how overlays work in a modern browser
The entire browser UI is in html/js
ashen spindle
that looks like they just have their banner and the website just starts below
dont think that is injection
wheat plume
yeah, they add the banner somehow
detect what page you are in and push it to the page
ashen spindle
lol
ashen spindle
think the best part is that you dont need 7200 ddr5 sticks for it unlike on the 13900k for the cases where it matches it
ahhahahahah
those power numbers man
pale sigil
Ah, every colourblind persons worst enemy.
fair gull
lines?
pale sigil
Coloured lines
fair gull
dont need to see the color really to see whats going on
pale sigil
True, just always assume Intel is the highest on a power graph
Jokes aside I read the numbers
fair gull
well they also print the wattage used on the top
fair gull
i also get crappy linux stuff recommended lately
ashen spindle
you click on one code thing once that happens to be on linux and you get these smh
pale sigil
ew spam landed on my yt frontpage
ArcoLinux is nice
crimson wigeon
More watts is better
ashen spindle
we are still at least years away from me calling linux nice
pale sigil
It's ironically user friendly compared to a lot of experiences I've had.
Which feels weird to say being it's Arch
ashen spindle
its not hard to have a better expereince than other bad linux options
pale sigil
Ye
As much as I like playing with Linux desktop wise I spend to much time on it
Windows will always be a smoother and easier experience but feels so annoying at times.
Like, a current issue I'm having rn with acro is my speakers sound so bad on my laptop.
But sound alright in windows
ashen spindle
curious to see how fast the stuff will sell out tomorrow
fair gull
the stuff?
ashen spindle
the x3d skus
old marlin
man I really want a 7800x3d 
hope I will be able to get one on launch
not sure if it will sell out that fast
ashen spindle
5800x3d was in stock for enough time to manually buy it
then gone for a bit but after some weeks always in stock
so should be fine
old marlin
yea probably
vagrant pagoda
ashen spindle
now thats some spaghetti for the x3d to optimize
crimson wigeon
Nice
solemn remnant
vagrant pagoda
i literally talked to my buddy about doing the same to my retro rig
because there is no block for the fx 5800s
and they back vram gets 100+c
gusty kiln
X3d seems nice considering you don't need high end ddr5 that are so expensive
vagrant pagoda
X3d seems nice considering you don't need high end ddr5 that are so expensive
it still dose better with better ram
gusty kiln
Yeah but just 6000 with decent cl
HWU used 7200 for the 13900k in order for intel to compete
vagrant pagoda
i mean it depends on the effective latency
vagrant pagoda
GN used the same ram kit
ashen spindle
we will see about that lol
vagrant pagoda
pretty sure as soon as amd gets 3d stack to be voltage tolorant there wont be a non x3d lol
ashen spindle
there will still be parts
gusty kiln
gusty kiln
yeah and companies do love having product segmentation
vagrant pagoda
Also L1 ran PBO and got 1%
ashen spindle
also next gen we get AIE and more stuff in the cpu so I am faily certain, you will definitely not wait till 11th gen which would be zen8 lol
ashen spindle
well supposedly they wont do that anymore
gusty kiln
ashen spindle
just the jump to keep it in line with mobile lineup
ofc I also dont think they will keep their marketing word and mess it up again lel
gusty kiln
but yeah basically what I am saying is, I'm waiting for Zen 5 X3D
5800X3D still sitting pretty comfty
pale sigil
Sigh, my ISP router either needs replacing or the coaxial cable
im getting 20-80 down and my connection is unstable
rough osprey
weak
rough osprey
only game that matters
gusty kiln
DOIS?
reef patrol
Sigh, my ISP router either needs replacing or the coaxial cable
Or it's a bad street connection.
ashen spindle
do you mean docsis?
pale sigil
wtf as soon as i book a technician
pale sigil
Or it's a bad street connection.
probably but they have had no report
ashen spindle
oh nice, wish I would get that here
gusty kiln
just your normal throttling
pale sigil
if they get reports then my appointment would get cancelled
pale sigil
just your normal throttling
nah
reef patrol
probably but they have had no report
That's what they always fucking say until you pester them for weeks on end or 50 people from the same street complain all at once 😄
vagrant pagoda
but
reef patrol
They should be able to diagnose everything through your router. gateway.
rough osprey
80€ a month for 1G here 😬
vagrant pagoda
the 1.2g down is only 250 up
pale sigil
anyway its magically fixed
ashen spindle
here have some more representative numbers if you want OW
vagrant pagoda
and 3g down is 1g up
pale sigil
ill keep an eye
gusty kiln
is that 1080p maxed?
ashen spindle
think its maxed yes
gusty kiln
kek I actually play at 1440p mostly low
pale sigil
just gone through automated shit
vagrant pagoda
they monitor them all the time
rough osprey
who plays maxed lol
gusty kiln
locked at 240 fps
pale sigil
and ive never had this happen for more than a few hours lol, its been a few days.
rough osprey
with that low 1%
gusty kiln
I need to see some Apex with 7950X3D
ashen spindle
its about benching the cpu, so putting it into a scenario where the gpu limits it makes no sense
rough osprey
whats Freq and Auto
gusty kiln
5800X3d edged out the 12900K at the time
ashen spindle
that way you have a better idea how it does on a new map etc.
auto is defautl so it takes the v cache ccd
freq forces it on the non vcache ccd
rough osprey
lol why would u do that
ashen spindle
because its the better option in other games
rough osprey
ah okay
tame hedge
why is fast.com shit for me suddenly
people are probably watching netflix ig?
rough osprey
what's missing
gusty kiln
MMOs and other niche but popular games
ashen spindle
well other games that dont include a good useable benchmark make it harder to test
tame hedge
what's missing
terraria, elden ring, sekiro, quake 2
ashen spindle
GN has FF14 benchmark in their suite
cant expect them to do raids on it for a review lol
gusty kiln
yeah but 1 sample
ashen spindle
wow doesnt have a benchmark afaik
gusty kiln
only saw 1-2 Apex legends benchmark too
rough osprey
ow kinda hard to benchmark too
ashen spindle
fortnite for example deprecates older replays so you have to fully retest your bench when an update came out since last hardware release
gusty kiln
but OW is also one of the best optimized game ever
1% lows are always good if you just turn down the settings a little
vagrant pagoda
also wow would run amazing with no addons lol
ashen spindle
so it runs great under conditions where you cant play it
vagrant pagoda
yeah thats all youre going to get as a benchmark lol
gusty kiln
does lost ark have a decent benchmark?
gusty kiln
lowest settings
what gpu?
rough osprey
3090
gusty kiln
what res?
rough osprey
1080p
rough osprey
mostly ye
gusty kiln
or even 500hz when those monitor come out
gusty kiln
X3D does really help with lows
rough osprey
i think it will
sharp badger
X3Ds look nice but if i'd need an upgrade it would be 13th gen because i already have a Z690 board
But to new buyers i'd probably recommend going with AM5 (5800X3D is soo good for AM4 though)
gusty kiln
Hopefully Zen5 will convince people to make the jump
sharp badger
The 7800X3D or 13600K will probably be the best "value" gaming chips to go for but price wise the Motherboards are a bit expensive for the AM5s
astral haven
I am so very disappointed with it ngl
Can't even beat the 13900k in the mean game
Except Intel is still holding the performance crown with a tech deficit and a much worse system architecture
astral haven
Definetly not lel
At least not for gaming
Intel is just so much more configurable
astral haven
Yep it basically depends on the games you test
And btw frametimes aren't always better
Making me more and more hype for z790 overclocking
vagrant pagoda
Making me more and more hype for z790 overclocking
you intalling a basment reactor to power it?
astral haven
I'm planning on going for the glueless variant
20 cores probably maybe 24
I think the glue will actually noticeably decrease gaming perf
vagrant pagoda
the 13900 uses 300w and the 13700k 280w to barely beat the 150w x3d 😛
cant imagine SR is going to be that much better
astral haven
Ah but those figures are entirely wrong for gaming
vagrant pagoda
i mean thats GN's blender test
astral haven
Not to say that they are efficient, but not a single processor gets over 150w in games
vagrant pagoda
which the 7950x and 3d destroy the i9 in
considing the power difference
10% faster with half the power
astral haven
5% slower you mean
vagrant pagoda
no
astral haven
Yes
vagrant pagoda
the x3d is faster than the i9 in blender
astral haven
Blender is useless
My 3090 is probably 5x faster for 2x the power it's no competition
vagrant pagoda
its a very consistant multicore load
astral haven
And a 4090 is another 2x faster for 300w
vagrant pagoda
also there are a few effects that gpu wont do in blender
astral haven
Look amd is alot more efficient
But while it is faster in blender, it is slower in games
astral haven
also there are a few effects that gpu wont do in blender
That's workaroundable
astral haven
Blender fluid simulations are terrible
astral haven
And you can do the sim in Houdini gpu
astral haven
Houdini ce can export to blender
astral haven
x3d is half the i7 and 1/3 of the i9
I mean that's exactly the ratio you stated, and this test has the Intel faster
vagrant pagoda
i think amd will get better at x3d voltages before intel can catch up on power
vagrant pagoda
Amd platform idle is pain
?
astral haven
9900k clocked to 5ghz allcore (with turbo enabled) consumed 90w at the wall
5950x stock consumes 120w at the wall
Straight swap
vagrant pagoda
soulds like fuckity bios
astral haven
Finally Numa on amd causes trouble in vr sometimes
vagrant pagoda
if i remove my usb devices i get ~35w idle
astral haven
soulds like fuckity bios
Which is all on amd with agesa now
vagrant pagoda
no like vender stuff
astral haven
if i remove my usb devices i get ~35w idle
Not at the wall
astral haven
No shot it's accurate at that low power
vagrant pagoda
bet