🔌│tech

[vagrant pagoda]

100g isn't cheap though

Lmao

And you don't need 100g for a desktop

[astral haven]

but the nics need a full fat x16

[astral haven]

for workstation tho

[vagrant pagoda]

Then you don't need top tier gaming performance

[astral haven]

gaming perf = responsiveness in productivity apps

the other thing is storaj

[vagrant pagoda]

Also Intels single port 100gbe is only x8 gen 4

And even a 4090 only looses 2% running at x8

[astral haven]

in games

half the bandwidth nearly doubles the bvh load time in blender for example

[vagrant pagoda]

Source?

[astral haven]

🤷 open blender

[vagrant pagoda]

Well I'll say the opposite and we are both right then

Xd

[astral haven]

https://www.igorslab.de/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/71-blender-igobot-1.png
the render itself is approximately that same 2%, the bvh load takes up the rest of the difference

not many people test super short renders :/

[wheat plume]

oh no.....another MSI build

cramming the most powerful hardware into tiny case

https://youtu.be/n33Ppev7csA

[gusty kiln]

no one has been able to compete with corsair on "prebuilt compact PC with full size components"

[wheat plume]

this case build quality is awful

[gusty kiln]

is it me or does Quboz have way better master version than a lot of other services

[wheat plume]

I thought my ram was fast...

nope

3200mHz isnt fast

[astral haven]

i mean it is, but thats not what you have

[wheat plume]

huh?

[astral haven]

you have 3200 ram

3200 mt/s

which is 1600mhz

[wheat plume]

MHz* my bad

[astral haven]

yea thats probably wrong

[wheat plume]

o?

[gusty kiln]

"Double" Data Rate Memory

[ashen spindle]

yes is 1600 mhz but that's still fine for ddr4 ryzen, you could be lucky and get 4000MT stable but not ever cpu hits that

so it's not fast but normal range for what it can do without extreme OC

as long as its not set to 2133MT jedec you get most of what you need

[gusty kiln]

can't wait for monday

[ashen spindle]

yeee

[wheat plume]

YOU CANT CHANGE RAM SPEED IN THIS BIOS

LOL WTF MSI

[gusty kiln]

?

[wheat plume]

he cant change the XMP profile

[gusty kiln]

probably hidden or something

oh on the prebuilt?

[wheat plume]

ye

[gusty kiln]

probably lol

[astral haven]

nah its probably just hidden

[wheat plume]

you think MSI would have a good BIOS, since they make motherboards

[astral haven]

lol no

[wheat plume]

oh

I really like the bios on my ASUS motherboard, its really nice to use

[gusty kiln]

I've only used asrock mobo, seems fine to me

[wheat plume]

o?

[gusty kiln]

cuz branding

[astral haven]

yea you have to learn what each function does, but once you know, it works

gigabyte? lel

[ashen spindle]

ironically for b650 asus seems to really be bad and gigabyte was the first to figure out memory speed timings properly

based on https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTFUa60ozKY

[astral haven]

asrock? missing features
msi? good luck finding anything

[gusty kiln]

lol how would you rank the mobo manufacturer bios?

EVGA prob #1

[astral haven]

my favorite bios is evga yea

but gotta admit asus is number 2

hardware is yikes but the software is gud

[ashen spindle]

that is the biggest yikes for msi here

[gusty kiln]

wonder if EVGA will ever make another AMD board

[cursive summit]

All of these results look absolutely terrible

My desktop takes like 10 seconds

[astral haven]

thats fast booting, this isnt

[vagrant pagoda]

From cold boot?

[cursive summit]

Yeah

[astral haven]

no

if it is, you should reenable fast startup since itll boot even faster

[marsh glade]

Why would they?

[astral haven]

i just realized
evga should probably make a pretty crazy w790 board

[gusty kiln]

evga prob gets way more freedom from intel on mobo design

though they did say they make more profit from peripherals

[astral haven]

w790 dark or sr4 dark 🤔

[gusty kiln]

SR4?

[astral haven]

evga has the super record series of boards

sr, sr2 sr3, srx

[gusty kiln]

ah

[astral haven]

sr4 hype?

[gusty kiln]

I'm surprised EVGA haven't released a high end desktop DAC/AMP considering how much of an audiophile the CEO is

[astral haven]

the market is quite saturated, and they did in fact make 2 pcie cards lel

[gusty kiln]

yeah but those were in a weird spot

most people serious about audio will get a stand alone unit

[astral haven]

and they put 6.25 on it

[gusty kiln]

they should have included a breakout box for that like creative

[astral haven]

🤷

[gusty kiln]

https://us.creative.com/p/sound-blaster/sound-blaster-ae-9

people want knobs mang

[astral haven]

didnt seem like that was what they were going for

[gusty kiln]

they seem like sleeping giants after ditching gpus

wonder what they are cooking

[wheat plume]

mmm, knobs

[gusty kiln]

I really like the knob on my Fiio k7

just can't turn it too fast or the volume will lag

[wheat plume]

lag?!

[lime mesa]

cant get macros to work in overwatch any help?

[reef patrol]

Macros...for what? In OVERWATCH??

Also why is this in tech?

[crimson wigeon]

to quickly say gg ez in chat

[astral haven]

some digital volume controls prevent the volume from changing too fast

[wheat plume]

oohh

[reef patrol]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z07ZNsWGC80

XQC is a great example of the motto "I don't need to know how shit works - I'll pay for it to just work"

[cursive grove]

I’m not really sure XQC knows how anything works to be honest

[astral haven]

But would he get as many viewers if he was more knowledgeable?

[cursive grove]

Maybe

He would have a different crowd

I can’t stand the guy because he acts like an idiot but I suppose that makes some people feel good about themselves

[wheat plume]

does an external dvd player need to be plugged into power?

my aunt brought one over for me to test and it has a USB B port and what looks like a barrel plug for power

but the USB B cable has two USB A on the other end

so idk wtf is this setup

[astral haven]

itll work

[wheat plume]

do I need to use the two USB A ports?

[astral haven]

only if your computer cant output 2.4 amps

[wheat plume]

oh

It works with both, lemme turn it off and try with one

One of the A ports has a power sticker on it

maybe one is for power and the other for the actual disc data...

[pale sigil]

Arch tweak tool is great

[wheat plume]

yes....yes it is <3

will the fact its written in Python make you hate it? :P

LOL

you can actually see what each option does if you open its config folder :D you can see all the scripts it runs when you do things in it

and edit them and whatnot

[reef patrol]

The second cable is USUALLY for burning. Or for older USB ports 🙂

[wheat plume]

im assuming older ports...

this thing is pretty old xd

o.o I looked up the brand, they seem to still be making things

SSD docks and whatnot

[vagrant pagoda]

On mine it's for more than 4x speed

[vagrant pagoda]

I love the "I have 4090 in my kitchen PC"

[astral haven]

god i love it

[wheat plume]

lol

[vagrant pagoda]

xd

wwtf

[reef patrol]

Ah yes - The Noctua V-15

https://tenor.com/view/suffering-engine-googas-pain-lucycord-gif-19659254

[reef patrol]

[gusty kiln]

RIP

the new D15 should be this year right?

My guess would be 7 heatpipes like the U12A

[tribal dirge]

This is why I watercool.

[vagrant pagoda]

i mean that has nothing to do with people breaking stuff

i can bend a rad in half too

[tribal dirge]

True

[astral haven]

I can't bend my CPU block in half tho lel

[vagrant pagoda]

you can bend the tubes to failure

plus that cooler shouild work

[astral haven]

just use those metal tubes that they use in automotive

[vagrant pagoda]

you can bend metal

[tame hedge]

you watercool so that when you destroy it, water goes everywhere as well?

weird reason, but okay

[tribal dirge]

No, watercooling is just better.

[tame hedge]

Yeah, because when you demolish it, water goes everywhere?

[tribal dirge]

True, but you just let it dry.

[tame hedge]

anyway my point was that this was the worst time to say watercooling is a better option

[tribal dirge]

I literally never seen rads get bent like that lol

[tame hedge]

I'd never seen something ion's done before, but I've seen a few examples of the following

And if the same trauma that was afflicted to ion's air cooler was applied to say the tubes in an AIO, it'd be drenched

[cursive grove]

Ah yes, the laws of thermodynamics

[hazy portal]

[radiant warren]

i just built my pc and the im trying to get into bios but the hdmi is giving no signal

plz help

[crimson wigeon]

Did you plug it into the GPU?

[radiant warren]

.

i plugged the gpu into the power

wait

i thought i was dumb

i was looking for a gpu wire

[radiant warren]

yes

[crimson wigeon]

Great, someone else should take over then..

[reef patrol]

Microsoft reaching a new low. Injecting ads into other companies websites in Edge.

[empty wren]

A lot of people do not truly appreciate how nice edge can be, and Microsoft only wants to convince them to give it a try

[haughty latch]

lmao holy shit what

dear god I cannot imagine how the pentium would be

legit pegged 100% all the time haha

[shadow minnow]

That should be illegal

Anti competitive stuff surely

[reef patrol]

It 100% is at least in the EU - Not because of the injection as such but keeping things neutral and competitive.

It's the same shit Microsoft have pulled over and over and gotten fined for each time 😄

[haughty latch]

illegal

not if you can buy your way out

[reef patrol]

Microsoft have fucked around and found out several times with the EU on that. And they've been found guilty repeatedly for massive fines.

[shadow minnow]

Oh just realized google kinda does it too but at least only when you use their service still sucks

[haughty latch]

ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE WITH INFINITE MONEY just like how monopoly taught us all how to give in to the ol fist o cuffs

no but real talk, MS legit has so much of a strangle hold on shit that they basically can do anything and even if they got fined (again lol) they'd keep doing it since like what, 2-20m fines? oh boo hoo they make it up within a few days cause they got advertising partners and people otherwise cannot go anywhere else since well, there isn't alternatives that are as PnP as windows lol

[reef patrol]

Sure - But the fines just keep getting bigger each time. So it's a question of where their pain point it. And the fine money is going back into tax coffers at least 😄

[haughty latch]

YEA true

honestly, I would tolerate windows 11 if it wasn't for the fact the taskbar isn't movable to be ONLY on a secondary screen

[reef patrol]

I changed over to the 10 interface. Works great.

[haughty latch]

wait you can do that?

honestly if that is all that it takes I might experiment and try on my laptop first lol

tho likely will keep windows 10 until EOL lol

[reef patrol]

Not officially, no.

[old marlin]

In registry you can basically get all the old behavior

[haughty latch]

damn that looks clean lol

[reef patrol]

I think they blocked this, twice now.

No longer possible without actual hacks.

[final flame]

too bad they killed off the win10 start menu

the tiles are great if you use them

the fact you don't even have folders on win11 either

[reef patrol]

The 11 one wouldn't be so bad, if it wasn't for the fact that you can't remove that bottom half "suggested" at all.

Literal waste of space - Which is why I went back to 10's version.

[cursive summit]

Superlite imo is a much better version of 11 than 11 itself is

And that's the truncated one with lack of telemetry

[tribal dirge]

Why can’t windows have something like spotlight than that dumb start menu

[reef patrol]

That is basically what search is.

I'm oldschool so I don't like either implementation. I just want it to show start menu apps and file searching locally. No internet searches or anything.

[ashen spindle]

yeah if you open the start menu just type letters and it is the search windows which is spotlight

or use powertoys if you want the floating search bar that is even more like it

[tribal dirge]

Not that hard to do, just turn off Siri suggestions and boom, no more internet searches.

[reef patrol]

I meant on Windows 🙂

Haven't had an up to date Mac system since... 10.4? My G4 PowerPC Mac which is on my IKEA shelf 😄

[tribal dirge]

click Start type gpedit. msc in search to run the Local Group Policy Editor. Navigate to User Configuration > Administrative Templates > Windows Components > File Explorer. Double-click the Turn off display of recent search entries in the File Explorer search box policy to edit it.

[reef patrol]

No no - I said I already did it. BECAUSE I don't like the internet search aspect 😄

[tribal dirge]

Yeah I don’t like it either

Also I use a 3rd party kind of spotlight search on top of spotlight. For more advanced stuff.

[misty saffron]

why do people hate on win11 start menu, it’s alright

microsoft recognizing everyone just searches

[tribal dirge]

Like executing shell commands and terminal commands right from spotlight.

And managing docker stuff from it too.

[reef patrol]

I don't mind the design - I mind having half of it be space I can't use for what I want it to.

Let me remove the suggestion part completely and I'll play ball.

[misty saffron]

valid

[old marlin]

now prebuilts don't just come with 5 different instances of office 365

but also 5 instances of onenote

[crimson wigeon]

How else are you gonna jot down your notes?

[misty saffron]

a stray sublime text tab that’s never saved to a file properly, you?

[fair gull]

if you can enlighten me on why safari removes my typed text after 2 letters i would be thanking you

[tribal dirge]

Idk lol

[solemn remnant]

maybe a lion eats them

[tribal dirge]

Pun intended? (Because for some time they named their operating systems after big cats)

[solemn remnant]

[fair gull]

idk why but as soon as i type t followed by s the search just clears

infuriating if i wanna search typescript related issues

lol

https://www.reddit.com/r/Safari/comments/yj77gy/safari_suggests_tsyndicate_dot_com_then_empties/

at least im not alone

[wheat plume]

🤔

damn, cant search for tsundere manga on Safari xd

[cursive summit]

Mangadex'u, kudasai

Mangadex has so much shit there that you'll never hear of

[reef patrol]

New monitor is here!

[cursive summit]

One of those good old 60hz TN panels eh?

[reef patrol]

[fair gull]

tn? thats a CRT tech i havent heard of yet

[shadow minnow]

Yeah it’s brand new crt tech

Sends out gamma rays instead of electrons

[halcyon moss]

death

https://youtu.be/258SvHX-JbY?t=34 deaaath

[reef patrol]

Phew... new monitor has zero dead pixels and runs everything it needs to.

[mossy plinth]

I feel like most major manufacturers do good at not having dead pixels nowadays

either that or my eyesight has gone bad

[reef patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-blind-flashbang-light-mode-gif-21281004

Mansen testing for dead pixels

[vagrant pagoda]

I mean they make them especially for you

[reef patrol]

This is part of a long RMA saga.

Originally had a Lenovo that wouldn't do 144hz consistently without compressing the colours (purely a software/firmware mood of the week thing), Lenovo sent me TWO replacement monitors, both with a dozen dead pixels.

[ashen spindle]

A test of your reflexes eyes

[reef patrol]

So now I bought an AOC, and I'll be returning the original Lenovo one for a full refund.

[ashen spindle]

found it

[reef patrol]

I'm slightly disappointed it doesn't change to an all white image.

[ashen spindle]

hehe maybe I should make that a gif

I do remember making a clip of me rotating a Rubik's cube and yelling the line from trial 1 to spoil someone the fight without spoiling it xDD

[pale sigil]

@reef patrol maybe I should send my monitors to you for testing first lol

[ashen spindle]

bring your cursed setup to the wootup and have mansen test it xd

[pale sigil]

Haha ye

Tbh

I fucking would if I could

I honestly would

[mossy plinth]

Damn that doesn't sound fun

I can vouch for AOC monitors, I have 4 of them and no problems at all

[pale sigil]

I had one of the first aoc IPS panels

[mossy plinth]

Colour accuracy on their 27" 4k IPS compared to the 24 1080p IPS is much to be desired though.

[reef patrol]

The only thing I've noticed is that yellows are a slightly green tint. But that may be due to the overdrive and gaming settings on it by default. Not really worried.

Colours are a bit more vibrant in general, which I welcome.

[pale sigil]

I'd return everything and get QDOLED

[reef patrol]

The next step up is like 3x the price.

[mossy plinth]

Time to buy a Datacolour Spyder to correct the colours

[reef patrol]

Bold of you to assume I don't have one already.

[pale sigil]

Just put it on wootings tab

[mossy plinth]

That should correct the yellows, no?

[pale sigil]

(QDOLED)

[ashen spindle]

https://twitter.com/dylan522p/status/1628804828192477184

Dylan Patel (@dylan522p)

Meta argues @AMD CPUs are worse from a carbon footprint standpoint despite higher perf/better efficiency, due to chiplets/higher manufacturing CO2 emissions!
You've heard TCO (total cost of ownership) + PPAC (power performance area cost), but have you heard TCO2 and PPACarbon?

Twitter · Feb 23, 2023, 5:11 PM

has science gone too far, after TCP and PPAC enjoy looking at PPACAICF I guess

[shadow minnow]

“What about carbon efficiency”

• proceeds to show that Intel has the most efficient co2 to performance cpu even though it came out long ago

[dry venture]

Swiftpoint Z2 just launched with big discount on kickstarter
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/swiftpoint/swiftpoint-z2-a-legend-is-reborn

[old marlin]

so what did change from the old Z to this

the old one was 750hz

wtf

also "LED poll rate"

aka

sensor fps

which wasn't fixed on the old one and prob isn't either on the new one

and unless they omega kneecapped the sensor in the old one it wouldn't sit at 4.5k fps either

[shadow minnow]

Why would they call that led poll rate and not scan rate or sensor scan rate.

[old marlin]

idk

they are talking about sensor specs

"LED poll rate" is not a thing

[reef patrol]

We'll ask the LED what state it is in 10.500 times a second

Do we get literally anything useful out of asking this? No.

[empty wren]

upgrade is quite disappointing even more onboard memory would nice

[old marlin]

just make it have a micro sd card slot

[shadow minnow]

Why not sata

[dry venture]

Yeah but for $140

[pale sigil]

$139 mouse

Ha

That ain't even taxed

[crisp granite]

I've seen more charged for less in the mouse space

finalmouse exists

[old marlin]

hey

finalmouse changed more about their mice

swiftpoint in 2017

finalmouse in 2017

finalmouse in 2023

swiftpoint in 2023 (or who knows when they ship)

also that is their 4th mouse based on that shell already

[empty wren]

They seem to like to clone their mouse many times

[old marlin]

finalmouse at least did incremental upgrades

and their new one they announced apparently has a completely different shape (finally)

[empty wren]

Sigh wish swiftpoint made a similar kind of effort

[old marlin]

they don't even take the extra effort

to make their gaming focused mouse 1khz

from what I can tell

[empty wren]

Well I just mean they are not innovating any more, and yeah it does sound absurd one of the headlining features is 1khz

[old marlin]

their "innovation" was just blasting a bunch of random features on a mouse

still not sure who or what deep click is for

[empty wren]

Very useful in opinion for macros or two similar functions on a button

Personally made one for copy and paste, or like in cad I use it to cancel a drawing

[old marlin]

sounds extremely prone to misinputs

[empty wren]

Nope

You can set the force level you want

[old marlin]

also copy and paste

on your main buttons

[empty wren]

Well no

But I can copy and paste with a single button

Since the mouse has many buttons I use those ones under the other joints of my finger

[old marlin]

meanwhile I would struggle hard to map a third side button

[empty wren]

also they did release the force calibration factory utility so the force sensors can have calibration via spreadsheet

[empty wren]

some people like simple things, i just personally do not like having to do finger gymnastics on my keyboard

[old marlin]

instead you do finger gymnastics on your mouse

[empty wren]

Nope

Again some buttons are in line with the index and middle finger joints

Just a matter of getting accustomed to it

Also one true advantage that does exist is if my switches ever die in the main cluster I can use the deep click and disable the normal button

[frozen ingot]

stay classy google

[cursive summit]

Man who doesn't love a russian mail-in bride

[frozen ingot]

and people wonder why I loathe google ever so slightly more than the fruit company

[cursive summit]

I'm actually thinking of switching from Google to Bing as a search engine

Gave it a try, and I got a lot better results AND a lot less scam websites

Cause SEO is clearly a good idea

[frozen ingot]

at this point using just about anything else than google seems to be a preferable option, they've just whored themselves out to advertisers so much that usually half the first page of results or more are paid ads

that sweet sweet boner pill and human trafficking money

but don't u dare say a bad word in ur video or no income for you ❤️ luve youtoob

[vagrant pagoda]

I still miss my g600 with its third primary button

[cursive summit]

Youtube has no competition

And likely never will

Twitch is same boat, too popular and convenient

[vagrant pagoda]

Luckily everything but the middle click is standard micro switch

And with some creative lodging you can even fit a micro switch where the middle mouse button

I love my Z

But I've literally never used the tilt control

[frozen ingot]

don't get me wrong I love youtube as a resource, so much valuable content

its owners though, jfc

[vagrant pagoda]

The problem with YouTube is not its owners it's the advertising

Just like every other public company they have to make more money every year

[frozen ingot]

and now they put a cryptobro in charge

[vagrant pagoda]

Well the ad revenue per view goes down

So they have to get better advertisers or more ads

[frozen ingot]

somehow the ads just keep derailing further and further into both legally and morally ambiguous territories though

[vagrant pagoda]

I really think your Google should go to a tiered model for YouTube

[frozen ingot]

I've seen so so many ads for scam products on googles platforms

[vagrant pagoda]

Wear anything other than rate 720 cost money

And have a HD and 4K tier

90% of people wouldn't care, and the rest would fork over a few bucks for more res

[radiant warren]

^ they are probably gonna do this

[empty wren]

I used it for undo and redo in cad but probably about it

[frozen ingot]

I'm sorta okay with this, but that also means I would have to start give google money

[pure garnet]

I would be disgusted by this

How would anyone be okay with paying for something that has been free for ever

Google already profits heavily off our existence alone, no need to suggest giving them more money for no reason

[radiant warren]

i flashed my bios and now it cycles through cpu, vga, and then goes too boot

anyone know why this is happenening?

[frozen ingot]

they profit because we have to put up with their god awful ads every 5 seconds of our existence

people wants the cake and eat it too

[pure garnet]

It's not just the ads right tho

They stalk us and have complete information on us

[frozen ingot]

the older I get the more frustrated I get with this situation that's been created

[pure garnet]

That alone is enough to make them so filthy rich they can just run YouTube for free

If it was only ads sure I'd be cool with paying for a subscription

But that's not how they make their bag

Information selling is their game and I hate them for it

[frozen ingot]

constantly having emotionally manipulative onslaughts of media telling us to buy shit at every waking hour of our days sounds more and more fucked up the more you think about it

[pure garnet]

High key agree

[frozen ingot]

like you can't go anywhere without seeing "BUY PRODUCT" in your face

[pure garnet]

Ye it contributes to depression

Not good

And the effect on kids is fuckin horrible lol

[frozen ingot]

why are we still as a society putting up with this

[pure garnet]

Right

Other countries have regulated it

But here in America, there's not nearly as many regulations

[frozen ingot]

yeah america is especially crazy, but tbh its pretty bad over here in europe too

[pure garnet]

I bet , I haven't been there but I bet

I think kids ads need to be changed first

I feel like kids should not be allowed to be advertised to

[frozen ingot]

advertisements targeted towards kids did get banned here quite long ago

like in the 80s or 90s

[pure garnet]

That's amazing

Right now kids will just screech at their parents wanting something just because they saw it on tv

[frozen ingot]

tv companies figured out how to get around that though by broadcasting from countries where it was legal

[pure garnet]

It's wild

Ahh

Yeah, I think it'll be hard to really get rid of kids advertising

[frozen ingot]

though most of those channels you had to get cable for

[pure garnet]

Is cable very unpopular in your country?

[frozen ingot]

its pretty common

didn't have that many of those channels growing up though bc my parents thought they shouldn't have to pay for cable and then still be bombarded with ads

[zealous lake]

There's a bunch of loan shark ads in between the product placements here now and gambling in the evening cause if you can't buy all the crap gotta borrow cashee I s'pose haha...

[vagrant pagoda]

https://tenor.com/view/aye-captain-gibbs-potc-gif-11148230

Easy solution to ads

[wheat plume]

[simple notch]

https://tenor.com/view/jim-face-the-office-disturbed-disturbing-wtf-gif-7483778

[summer mauve]

tech talk

[halcyon moss]

1. Firefox

end of list

:p

[cursive summit]

Doesn't that literally store all your shit in plain text

[halcyon moss]

store it where?

locally?

any encryption there is forfeit anyway, since you use it on there.

[reef patrol]

Man... getting used to this monitor is so hard. It has so much more brightness and contrast (colour richness) compared to my Lenovo.

Those yellow emojis are kind of weird to look at, since they suddenly have so much YELLOW pop 😄

[fair gull]

welcome to 2006

[reef patrol]

I must have had never spent any time setting up the Lenovo monitor back when I got it. 😄

This one definitely needed it though, since it had a default "gamer mode" enabled, that boosted colours way too far. Made skintones show compressions artifacts and would have pink skin and grey skin very obviously set apart everywhere.

[tribal dirge]

Lol

The Magic of P3 color

[fair gull]

compression artifacts?

wot

or do you mean colorbanding

[reef patrol]

You know how video compresses colour. Like how a dark night very obviously has pixelated gradients.

Now imagine that ... on skin. Except it isn't just shades of pink, but it goes straight from pink to grey. (or did anyway)

[reef patrol]

Even worse - More like this.

[tribal dirge]

Oh damn

[fair gull]

still colorbanding

[solemn remnant]

kek

[fair gull]

but holy shit

why so hard

the fuck is the default

[tribal dirge]

Streamed video?

[reef patrol]

Eh - Anyway I managed to remove it. Not sure what made AOC design a mode that would do that, even for gaming. It must be super obvious during cutscenes 😄

[solemn remnant]

I only see inky blacks

[fair gull]

thats some really crappy preset but now that i heard aoc im not as surprised

[tribal dirge]

Mhm

[reef patrol]

Anyway still getting used to better settings - And this monitor will definitely do the job for a couple more years. Now I just gotta lug the other one to the nearest postal pickup place... which requires a lot of walking and public transport 😄

[fair gull]

im sad i got burned on aoc

the pricing seems ok but i just cant trust them anymore

same for benq

[solemn remnant]

well at least we're not living the days of lugging your pc + 19" crt monitor by walking to a train and then walking x km to where ever the lan party is at anymore

[fair gull]

bruh i did that like in 2010

[reef patrol]

Been there, done that. I remember going to a LAN with friends by bus. Had to use a laundry basket for the case and monitor, with everything else in my backpack.

[fair gull]

lan party for a friend who turned 18

[solemn remnant]

handy

[fair gull]

carried it on a trolly for like 2km

[mossy plinth]

What did AOC do to you?

[fair gull]

the psu is buzzing

[reef patrol]

PSU? It came with a brick?

[solemn remnant]

I remember I had to run with a 20kg monitor to catch a moving train, I was fortunate that my friends made it in before it started moving so I just had to run and pass the monitor to them and getting in was a bit easier after that

[fair gull]

no brick. mine has it in the monitor

i plug a 3 pin in and it starts buzzing

[solemn remnant]

that was in 2001 iirc

[fair gull]

soon as theres image no more buzzing

[reef patrol]

Huh... weird. Never had that issue. Sounds like something you'd want to replace even outside of warranty.

[fair gull]

ya

well

its off rn cause im not in germany

but theres a reason i want a DQHD

[mossy plinth]

Powerbricks for monitors is more of a US thing isn't it? Or does the EU have that too?

[tribal dirge]

I just have a Sony reference monitor and an LG ultragear.

[fair gull]

very rarely in the eu in my experience

[fair gull]

the benq is just... ghosting galore

[solemn remnant]

my vg259qm has one

[fair gull]

have to unplug it for 10seconds to fix it

[tribal dirge]

Lol ikr

[reef patrol]

It varies a lot - I see it mostly on those thin, office grade monitors from Acer and such. There they just exploit the fact that they have laptop chargers already on a production line.

[fair gull]

i wanted to go for an odyssey g9 prob

and with a DP KVM then switch between macbook/PC

[tribal dirge]

Asus proart?

[pale sigil]

Are the larger SD cards actually commonly used still?

[tribal dirge]

Standard sd?

[pale sigil]

Ye

[tribal dirge]

Obviously

My camera takes standard sd

[pale sigil]

Hmm why

Over micro

Any actual perks?

[tribal dirge]

Because they’re more common

[pale sigil]

Ah so basically will eventually be micro dominant

[mossy plinth]

Yeah I have one monitor like this in my loft, it really is just a laptop charger to make the screen thinner

[pale sigil]

My laptop comes with normal Sd card slot

And like, for me it's a waste but also I only use micro

So I'm using an adapter rn

[reef patrol]

I haven't seen an oldschool fullsized SD in a decade. Everything comes in the micro format with the occasional included adaptor to bigggg for backwards compatibility. Since a lot of expensive DSLRs have the big slot.

[mossy plinth]

Part of me was tempted with a G9 but having to do "virtual" monitors or powertoys shortcuts for splitting the monitor up annoyed me

[pale sigil]

I'm glad my laptop came with usb c at least lol

[tribal dirge]

Not really, high speed micro sd isn’t as fast as high speed standard sd

[mossy plinth]

high-end mirroless cameras still use big SD cards too just because of how common of a standard they are

[tribal dirge]

My Sony alpha 1 has standard sd lol

[mossy plinth]

Yee, my A7III has two of the standard SD card slots. Sony will probably stick with SD

also you can get Micro SD at higher speeds/rates, it's just more expensive than SD

[tribal dirge]

Like most other cameras

Except my GoPro

But small camera = small card

[frozen ingot]

there are some professional camera gear that still use compact flash

[mossy plinth]

yeah, gopros and action cameras will use smaller just for the form factor

[tribal dirge]

Yeah lol

[mossy plinth]

I just buy Micro SD with high enough transfer rate for 8k now

[tribal dirge]

Sd cards are getting very fast now lol

Because now they’re all getting UHS2

[mossy plinth]

V30 minimum, V60 is ideal

[tribal dirge]

CFExpress cards are even more insane.

[old marlin]

well those are just m.2 drives

in a different more robust formfactor

[tribal dirge]

No, that’s red mini mag

[mossy plinth]

I had a nightmare finding a MicroSD for my Insta360 x2, that thing puts out 5.7K so finding a fast enough card was not fun

[old marlin]

cfexpress is also m.2 essentially

it's nvme

with 4 pcie lanes

[tribal dirge]

Not really, they use completely different protocols.

[old marlin]

it's still nvme

[tribal dirge]

Not even the same interface

[old marlin]

also pcie

[tribal dirge]

Actually UHS2

[frozen ingot]

first mp3 player I owned had a CF slot

[old marlin]

UHS2 is an sd card thing

the thing on the right

[tribal dirge]

Hmm

[old marlin]

didn't know there are pcie sd cards now

[tribal dirge]

Mine looks like the one on the right, huh.

[old marlin]

also nvme though

ah great

thanks adata

put "fake.png" over your images

from their official marketing data

[tribal dirge]

Hmmm

[old marlin]

looks funny

[tribal dirge]

Lmao,

[old marlin]

ah, found one

[tribal dirge]

I have an sdxc card lol

[old marlin]

cfexpress is so much m.2

[tribal dirge]

But sd express

[frozen ingot]

oldest memory card I own

[tribal dirge]

Hmmm

[old marlin]

that you can get adapter for the xbox cfexpress slot

but because the xbox is weird you need 2 lane drives

or format them to be 2 lane

[tribal dirge]

Lmao

Xbox moment

[old marlin]

at least you can also replace the stock drive with those

if a ps5 main drive dies you need board level repair

[tribal dirge]

True lol

[reef patrol]

😔

[tribal dirge]

Soldered on memory everything these days.

[old marlin]

well

for ddr5 on laptop it makes sense

so-dimms can't handle the access times etc

[tribal dirge]

Yeah.

[old marlin]

but we got CAMM for that

[tribal dirge]

But that’s an Intel thing lol

[old marlin]

no

dell

[tribal dirge]

Oh shit right

[old marlin]

and it is becoming a JEDEC standard

also dell developed it to be open source

[tribal dirge]

You sure dell didn’t hide anything under the hood?

[old marlin]

?

[reef patrol]

If memory has to be soldered, you might as well go the full mile and have socketable SOCs. Full CPU and Memory replacements all at once.

[old marlin]

well

the way it is going laptop mobos are getting smaller

[tribal dirge]

True

[old marlin]

only reason why gaming laptop mobos are large is expandability

[tribal dirge]

It’s also why MacBooks are so thin

[old marlin]

well

there is no need for a large mobo

if you have everything BGAd on

[tribal dirge]

Mhm

[reef patrol]

I'm really not a fan of all of this "only the manufacturer can assist - and they won't" attitude and design. If the RAM physically can't be a socket due to latency, put it on the SOC and make that replaceable. I don't care if it is then a 200$ part I need to swap, soldered RAM is not swappable at all.

I look longterm - Aside from my main gaming PC, everything is at least 1-2 decades old and everything has had repairs or replacements of some kind.

[tribal dirge]

Apple did that with M1 Ultra, making it all in one package.

[reef patrol]

Yeah but those are soldered.

So we're still just as far from a longterm solution there 😄

[tribal dirge]

Still soldered on cpu, but the ram and cpu is on one package.

[reef patrol]

Also Apple selling spare parts? Hahaha

[tribal dirge]

Never

[old marlin]

that is literally what CAMM is for

[reef patrol]

Still not a finished standard iirc? And they haven't decided on a single physical form factor?

(Going on old LTT video I think)

[old marlin]

physical is done afaik

[reef patrol]

This is my concern - Multiple substandards 😄

[tribal dirge]

Now they’re just tweaking now.

[old marlin]

that is just larger modules

[tribal dirge]

Still different pinouts

[old marlin]

bet it will end up just like with m.2 drives

[shadow minnow]

Well in some cases that makes sense, as long as there is inter compatibility

[old marlin]

no

pins are all at the top

[reef patrol]

Yes - And that drives up price and cuts down on availability. M.2 is basically 2280 everywhere except for edge cases.

[mossy plinth]

RAM isn't really the bottleneck in most cases is it though? Most things are CPU/GPU bottlenecked. Quicker RAM is nicer in terms of latency but CPU and GPU improvements are more important

[old marlin]

will prob become similar with CAMM as well

[reef patrol]

All DDR4 is the same size and shape. Doesn't matter if it's a 4GB module or a 64GB module 😄

[old marlin]

future will tell ig

[tribal dirge]

Yeah

[old marlin]

yea but SO-DIMM will die

just can't handle modern ram

[shadow minnow]

Well not exactly, just like this standard they have the same pin out, but rest isn’t always same shape

So it’s the same

Same pin out but different heights

[reef patrol]

I am not against CAMM - But I don't like being restricted in size. I'm fine with having a laptop that can only handle 32GB total RAM. I am not okay with being limited because the 32GB dimms are larger physical size than my laptop can handle.

[tribal dirge]

Then there’s the fact that memory multiplexing exists, ECC, etc.

[old marlin]

that already kind of is a problem

isn't that the same as a laptop only having one socketed module

[shadow minnow]

It is

[old marlin]

sure you could buy one very high density module

[reef patrol]

I have yet to buy a soldered memory laptop for this reason. I only have socket only ones 😄

[old marlin]

but that will be expensive

[shadow minnow]

Meanwhile my laptop has ram as part of the SoC

Tbf it’s much faster

[tribal dirge]

Oh and DRAM,

[shadow minnow]

Triple data rate ram when

[tribal dirge]

DDR6

Well actually GDDR7

GDDR is insane

[halcyon moss]

double data rate is just write AND read

at the same time

[reef patrol]

Now? Sure. In ten years? Not so much - But it might be significantly more difficult to actually find spare parts if a standard is further subdivided by physical size.

It'd be like if 2280 hadn't caught on as the defacto standard for M.2 and every brand used different implementations on a large scale, instead of the odd super compact or odd product.

[halcyon moss]

what would tripple be?

something quantum

[shadow minnow]

No they wouldn’t call it ddr
Please tell me they won’t call it that
dd in ddr literally stands for double data rate

[old marlin]

yea but in 10 years you can prob buy a denser module for CAMM as well

[reef patrol]

The Xbox does this I think? It has a weird SSD that needs an adaptor if you want to use a standard drive - and even then you're limited to like one specific model from Samsung or something?

[shadow minnow]

Triple data rate may only be called TDR

[tribal dirge]

The G stands for graphics

[shadow minnow]

Yes but the DD

Stands for double data

[reef patrol]

Yeah but again - It might be significantly more difficult because there isn't just one size fits all like sodimm 🙂
CAMM is fine, CAMM in several sizes not so much.

[shadow minnow]

Not triple data

[old marlin]

? you can always fit the smallest one

[shadow minnow]

Well as long as you can put smaller ram into bigger slots it’s fine ish imo

[old marlin]

it's not like the larger ones are anything but just longer

[shadow minnow]

I mean normal ram can be too big to fit under cooler too

[old marlin]

look at the hole pattern etc

[shadow minnow]

Yeah that does look like a good way to do it imo

[reef patrol]

My point is from a production and accessibility standpoint. Try looking for DDR2 RAM now and it isn't easy. Now imagine they had done what the image above did, and you'd have an even harder time 😄

Imagine if half of the motherboards only supported half length M.2s.

[shadow minnow]

Well that’s mobo manufacturer fault

[old marlin]

same thing goes when I want a specific DDR2 module though?

[tribal dirge]

To do TDR or QDR that requires the memory controller to be able to do 8 trillion operations per second.

[shadow minnow]

Some laptops or 2in1 don’t support 2080 anyways

[old marlin]

as in

[shadow minnow]

Or decky deck

[old marlin]

high capacity etc

[reef patrol]

Same form factor.

So the only limit is my hardware.

[old marlin]

yea same goes with CAMM though

[tribal dirge]

And no such memory controller exists yet.

[reef patrol]

Well no.

[shadow minnow]

Not if it runs at smaller freq

[old marlin]

you bet SIs won't make them larger than they need to be

[reef patrol]

Because it subdivides the standard.

[old marlin]

same thing happened with pcie though

[tribal dirge]

Then that increases latency significantly.

[reef patrol]

Anyway boomer duck rant over - Gotta get back to work. No more bread and lunch break is over.

[halcyon moss]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_data_rate#/media/File:SDR_DDR_QDR.svg
i was wrong apparently

[old marlin]

the reason why 2280 became popular was because they were the smallest that could handle the capacity that w as asked for

[tribal dirge]

Cya fellow duck!

[ashen spindle]

I think you are missing the point that without camm the larger options wont be an option so if you can only fit the smaller ones, even without it being camm you couldn't add more ram

[reef patrol]

Who, me? 😄

[halcyon moss]

at least it would be replacable

[ashen spindle]

yes, unless you meant that you want the big option to be used for the lowest amount of ram also

which would add quite some cost

[ashen spindle]

all it does it limit the ones that only let room for small options, but you can still replace it and put a small in a big one

[reef patrol]

My point was that by subdividing the RAM into several form factors on a broad scale would hurt longterm support.

I wouldn't just be limited by however much RAM my laptop could handle, but also how manufacturers of RAM decide to do RAM going forward. Let's say the smallest form factor becomes unpopular after a few years and everyone retools for a larger form factor. I now have two pitfalls instead of just the one, where on previous generations I just needed to account for how much RAM I could have, form factor was always the same no matter if it was a 4GB SODIMM or a 128GB SODIMM so to speak.

Aaaaand closing Discord now 😄

[halcyon moss]

byebye

[vagrant pagoda]

It's technically a standard that no one uses. You can just buy an off the shelf m.2 adapter and it works

It's just CF Express type B, which high-end cameras use

But it only will recognize PCI-E 4.0 x4 as compatible

Well cfexpress is only 3.0

[old marlin]

it's just x2 drives

which is the problem essentially

the chinese adapters all include a short compatability list as well

[vagrant pagoda]

Well the current adapters take stubby drives

[old marlin]

yes

[vagrant pagoda]

And it has to be a 4.0 stubby

[old marlin]

but even most 2230 drives are x4

[old marlin]

no

can be a 3.0 afaik

[vagrant pagoda]

You sure? Unless Ms upped the support in software

If 3.0 is supported then you could use actual cf express cards

[old marlin]

yea seems to be 3.0

the lane count is the important part afaik

you can format non-compatible drives to be compatible

[vagrant pagoda]

Nah it's 100% 4.0. The drive that works is a x4 3.0 or x2 4.0 drive

[wheat plume]

OOOOO
I found out how to change the volume steps from 5% in Plasma desktop <3

fuck yeah

5% is way way too much in one step

[halcyon moss]

really depends on your audio equipment

[wheat plume]

I set it to 2%

[halcyon moss]

interestingly, in gnome.. just hold shift to do smaller (de/in)crements

[wheat plume]

yep, I love that feature

you can also change the step in dconf editor

gconf editor*?

I forgot

[halcyon moss]

apparently

[wheat plume]

I wish I knew this volume step setting in plasma earlier

also....youtube is now mono for some reason

wtf

only youtube

🤦‍♀️ nvm...the mixing on the video I was watching was only on the left channel

gg Gardiner

wait no...the background music is stereo but his voice over is just left channel xd

🤔

oh

never had a video get changed to private while in them iddle of watching it

[halcyon moss]

PEBCAK

[wheat plume]

wat

[ashen spindle]

agreed

[halcyon moss]

problem exists between keyboard and chair

[solemn remnant]

KACBEP

[reef patrol]

Or as we call it in Denmark. Error #40.
Error exists 40cm from the monitor.

[wheat plume]

xd

lol

[ashen spindle]

or for linux PEBCAC, between chair and console

[wheat plume]

not my problem, maybe he realised the audio is fucked and editing it so he made it private

[halcyon moss]

well.. you quickly pointed at youtube without testing an other vid :p

[wheat plume]

Yeah, maybe I should have xd

also need to charge my phone its on 2% ...

[ashen spindle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOUB73dZXEo

[vagrant pagoda]

I'm psychic

https://www.engadget.com/amp/youtube-testing-1080p-premium-playback-option-112835174.html

[cursive summit]

A bit late on that

Like, 3-4 days

[halcyon moss]

12 USD per month

oof

[crimson wigeon]

Them videos aren't gonna stream themselves for free y'know

[ashen spindle]

you wouldn't download a stream

[vagrant pagoda]

I mean

I get it

I steam 4k to a 1080p viewport

Because it looks better

And the audio is way, way better

[ashen spindle]

yeah because bitrate sucks on youtube lol

[vagrant pagoda]

And I'd pay more for better

[halcyon moss]

does it also become ad free?

[crimson wigeon]

Yes

[halcyon moss]

ah yews, TY premium

[crimson wigeon]

Also apparently premium-views pay way better so if you want to support your content creators there's that

[final flame]

Yeah I would

[ashen spindle]

D:

[final flame]

[crimson wigeon]

Naughty!

[final flame]

YouTube-dlp is the one and only

Inbf LTT starts creating torrents of their own content

[vagrant pagoda]

It's an addon for the paid ad free YouTube XD

[vagrant pagoda]

Floatplane XD

They have a alternative platform

[heavy cedar]

anyone have a video or something explaining why in the Two HE what the benefits of the ARM chip is? just trying to learn more about it.

[reef patrol]

https://youtu.be/-7C_UGDns1Y?t=223

This explains it from when we changed the 60HE over to ARM.

[ashen spindle]

Bit faster, bit more storage, old chip out of stock

[vagrant pagoda]

Sell me two he arm board plz

[fair gull]

well more imoortantly than old chip out of stock its mega expensive

[fair gull]

order a 2he

[vagrant pagoda]

I have

Lizard brain says upgrade

Wallet say no new keyboard

[cursive summit]

https://twitter.com/9550pro/status/1629115210035527687

HXL (@9550pro)

AMD 7950X3D official Gaming performance

vs 13900K +5.6% (7900XTX) +6% (RTX 4090)
vs 7950X +16% (RTX 4090)

@3DCenter_org 13900K Launch Analyse

13900K is 10% faster than 7950X

Twitter · Feb 24, 2023, 1:45 PM

[vagrant pagoda]

Where is the 3xd?

That chart has only 5800x3d

[cursive summit]

I'm guessing 7950X3D is the reference

Or is 13900K the reference cause why is that 100% on all metrics

Especially since the tweet claims "vs 13900K +5.6% (7900XTX) "

[old marlin]

nope

the 13900k on the right is the reference

[cursive summit]

Why's it 100% then if 7950 X3D outperforms it, supposedly

[old marlin]

unless the leak is a bs number somebody on twitter made up

[halcyon moss]

im am also confused by that graph and the "AMD 7950X3D official Gaming performance"

[cursive summit]

I think the graph is just to showcase 13900K perf

And that 7950X3D is 6% up of that

[old marlin]

so the entire leak is just some random person on twitter saying something

not even a graph or anything

and they seem to exclusively retweet AMD-positive news

and have an ati banner

[halcyon moss]

13900K is quite crazy in power usage right?

[old marlin]

yes

though to be fair

the amd 7000x cpus are also inefficient as hell stock

[ashen spindle]

ccd switching isnt fully in yet so leaks arent saying much yet

[old marlin]

^

[gusty kiln]

https://cdn.videocardz.com/1/2023/02/AMD-RYZEN-7950X3D-LEAK-1.jpg

[old marlin]

makes me hopeful you can get them on release

[gusty kiln]

they should have added WoW

WoW gobbles the vcache

[old marlin]

they already have the relevant mmo on there

[gusty kiln]

lol

+15%

not bad

[ashen spindle]

csgo regression is also a point that makes it less likely its fully accurate data

[old marlin]

forgot

[ashen spindle]

since that should just be on the right ccd and not be slower than a non x3d

[old marlin]

wasn't it valorant that absolutely loved the 5800x3d

[gusty kiln]

yeah

[halcyon moss]

that graph does not include factorio or rimworld

[gusty kiln]

valorant is fast as fuck on the 7700X

[old marlin]

it's vs a 13900k

not a 7950x

[ashen spindle]

ya but compared to a 79 its slower from the leaks

[old marlin]

ah

[ashen spindle]

so I'm doubting it

[gusty kiln]

I wish factorio ran at higher than 60 fps

[crimson wigeon]

Hm, benchmarks of the singularity looks surprisingly bad

[halcyon moss]

thats the only one :p

[ashen spindle]

that makes sense since it likely doesnt use more cache and cares about mroe clocks on second ccd

[old marlin]

for a second I thought somebody dug up an someone old fps game to benchmarks cpus

[vagrant pagoda]

CSGO dosent care for cache it wants clocks

Ipc and clock on 13900k is better

[halcyon moss]

per core indeed

[vagrant pagoda]

On a perfect game engine more cache wont help

[ashen spindle]

FF14 benchmark also uses the previous not current version that is out for over a year now lol

[vagrant pagoda]

So the shittier than game, more cache helps

Which is why console ports get the most boost

[halcyon moss]

so factorio is shit, got it :p

[vagrant pagoda]

100%

The dev will tell you it's spaghetti code

XD

Which is also why more mods= bigger gains for x3d

[fair gull]

i mean then just wait till ur 2he comes since its arm

also just the pcb is around 130 or 140eur

i think

[vagrant pagoda]

I went from 5600x to 5800x3d and it more than doubled my updatws

[halcyon moss]

its more data being shuffled, cache helps a lot there

[vagrant pagoda]

I has 2he now

XD

It's avr

[fair gull]

well i meant order another one

[vagrant pagoda]

Yeah but I dont need a whole new kb

[fair gull]

idk if its worth it just switching the most expensive part

[vagrant pagoda]

Plus in really want to machine a stainless case for it

And having a spare PCB will be good motivation

[wheat plume]

🤔

These Dynamic options new?

[ashen spindle]

yes/no/maybe

no clue what menu its from

[wheat plume]

Windows 11 Display settings

[vagrant pagoda]

Dynamic is dsync and the like

That's just adaptive sync

[mild dome]

I presume the big reason poorly optimized games love cache is because the game's engine isn't as good at predicting what it will need next?
If a game could perfectly predict what it will use next then it can load it into regular cache fine, but if it can't would have to fit multiple possible branches and would have to use the extended cache.

[vagrant pagoda]

Exactly

They are also better threaded so the scheduler knows what should go-to what core to keep cache full

[mild dome]

I do not know about how the micro code does, but I wonder if a well optimized game could do something to get extra performance from bonus cache, like being able to process bigger things on the fly that devs currently avoid due to a lack of cache? It would take a real long time to see something like that tho

[vagrant pagoda]

Yes

Just like when L2 and l3 first came on the scene

[mild dome]

Question is: when will someone make an FPS that can load entirely into the cache if it hasn't been done already?

[astral haven]

thats actually very strange, why would it say "or" when it could say "to"

i suspect thats not actually adaptive refresh

[vagrant pagoda]

Maybe it's a power save thing?

[vagrant pagoda]

There are cache only demos

But like L2 days

There is no way to control cache these days

It's all blackbox

[astral haven]

making stuff small enough to just fit in cache is a thing, but theres no way to force it, it just stores what it needs

[vagrant pagoda]

You could on mobo mounted cache days

[astral haven]

and technically i can do it using optane as a cache drive

but that aint a thing any more

[vagrant pagoda]

I remember there was a first person 3d demo for k6

That ran on like 1 or 2mb of cache

[astral haven]

but yea modern cache hitrates are over 99% anyways, so 99% of the time, the data being processed has already been cached

[vagrant pagoda]

I mean also with modern cpus like milian, your entire code base could be in cache

[astral haven]

unfortunately it wouldnt help you since the cache isnt global

i really wonder how caching is set up on spr

[vagrant pagoda]

I mean it probably helps with data sent intensive workloads as the data sent in ram and code in cahce working over and over again doing the same thing to new data

But not way to force that

[astral haven]

having trouble understanding that sentence

[vagrant pagoda]

You need more cache

[astral haven]

no i think you need to fix your wording lel
the heck is "data sent intensive workloads"

mrw spr has more local cache than milan

oh dang

thats pretty pog

[astral haven]

woah that means that quad tile spr is on the same level as 7950x

[ashen spindle]

does that add up?

if there is no diagonal surely the edge to edge is more than just the two tile connections

[astral haven]

why?

[ashen spindle]

moving data through the tile is free?

[astral haven]

no, it costs 8ns lel

[ashen spindle]

no thats tile to tile

[astral haven]

yes

[ashen spindle]

but from one tile edge to the other, that is free?

[astral haven]

lemme draw a diagram

it isnt going back out to the cpu core inside of the transit tile

its staying within the communication mesh

[ashen spindle]

ah

[astral haven]

now that doesnt mean that its staying inside of the comm link die, but it is only touching the mesh stops

also in all likelyhood something like this is probably the case

[ashen spindle]

yeye the rest makes sense

just wasnt sure how it gets no addictional penalty for going through an extra tile

[astral haven]

it does, the penalty is 8ns lel

think each tile boundry crossed is 4ns and it adds up

[vagrant pagoda]

what is the best vs worst ram access though

thats whats important

[ashen spindle]

yeah I was thinking of the interconnect adding 8 so you have 40ish base +8 from a to b, +8 from b to c but then +x from b entry to b exit

[astral haven]

yea i doubt thats what cuttress is talking about

[astral haven]

this is for the multidie, not gaming, so no its not that important

it is important on the single die spr tho

and i would be very interested to see that

[vagrant pagoda]

yeah it is, for cross numa hits

[astral haven]

but spr is numa aware...

[vagrant pagoda]

yeah but software can be fuckety

[astral haven]

not software that is that important lel

but yea in theory for spr 1/4 of memory is local, 1/2 of memory is +8ns, and 1/4 of memory is +16ns, so you are looking at 50-70 to 66-86

[pale sigil]

i cant extend me bllody c drive

partition wise

[reef patrol]

IN windows?

Yeah you never can. Gotta unload the OS and do it outside of it. Using Linux bootables or something similar.

[pale sigil]

ye i did that

[reef patrol]

Is this on your Deck

[ashen spindle]

why partition it? dual booting?

aside from dual booting idk if there is stull any good reason for it

[astral haven]

thats incorrect, on gpt+ntfs you can extend and shrink your drive inside of windows, but only within 1 drive

[reef patrol]

On the C partition?

[astral haven]

yep

[reef patrol]

That's neat. And news to me 😄

[astral haven]

it can only shrink it as far as the last fragment of data, so it often only allows you to shrink a few mb if youve been using the drive for a while

but if you clone windows to a new drive bit for bit, itll allow you to expand into all the free space

[pale sigil]

well i feel stupid

was hoping 65gb would be fine

lol

[astral haven]

yea its gotta be continuous lel

[pale sigil]

apparently it can be done

via diskpart

[astral haven]

ive used gparted to move partitions around, but i dont think it can be done in windows?

maybe with non system partitions

[wheat plume]

wtf is this? some sort of speaker?

[reef patrol]

Wifi speaker probably

[wheat plume]

hhhmm

samsung.com has two cookie popups that show up one after the other .... why? :')

[astral haven]

are they different or the same?

i only get one here in the us

[wheat plume]

they are the same options but a different UI

and they are off by default, GG Samsung, I approve!

[crisp granite]

does cooler master have a reputation of making good PSUs?

https://summit.coolermaster.com/chronos/advanced-computing/v-sfx-platinum/
I saw this and...well
it's the answer to my prayers
I just don't want a fire hazard

[ashen spindle]

pretty sure CM rebrands most psus so depends what its from

[astral haven]

their best psu is the most stable atx psu ever made lel

[crisp granite]

cool
so they range from ok to the best ever made

hopefully their V SFX 1100 ends up being closer to "best ever made"

[shadow minnow]

I like Corsair power supplies

[crisp granite]

SF 750 ain't enough power, Bexin

[shadow minnow]

They look nice and are nice quality wise

[crisp granite]

should mention
I really need SFX or an SFX-L PSU