Why is 7800X3D delayed all the way to April
#🔌│tech
cursive summit
Seems like they really can't iron that part out, it was also an enigma few months back
ashen spindle
volume ramp, getting higher margin parts out first
astral haven
i really want an upgrade but i just cannot justify it when there arent any boards that I can run my nic at even half speed in
pale sigil
I thought it would show both images
Boo
Is there no site that can show all images
I'm sure there was
misty saffron
what fucking smart bulbs are there which work after sanctions
ashen spindle
look for ones that work with home assistant since thats open source
misty saffron
not sold for some reason
tropic nacelle
Home assistant+ ZigBee based device should be simple.
Hue works, Xiaomi bulbs have worked fine for me in home assistant
ashen spindle
idk home automation is nice but I wont look at it for some more years before it's actualyl useable and not using the internet for turning the lights on
misty saffron
phillips hue is overpriced unfortunately
pale sigil
@misty saffron Ali?
pale sigil
Pay for speedy delivery
misty saffron
i want bulbs which don’t want a hub
pale sigil
Meross
misty saffron
just wanna connect them to my wifi network and forget about them
pale sigil
Or any Chinese one
tropic nacelle
idk home automation is nice but I wont look at it for some more years before it'...
Thats already the case though, assuming you use something decent like home assistant and look at what you purchase
ashen spindle
ok bad example, I meant for more automation in the house and not just lights alone haha
there are things and we're getting there but still too many issues or potential problems, as seen on linus' house which his issues with all the switches and such
tropic nacelle
I have all my plugs, lights, motion sensors, contact sensors and ambient environment sensors all local
pale sigil
tropic nacelle
Get a conbe 2 or the new home assistant stick which supports ZigBee and matter devices for even more streamlined support.
ashen spindle
I'll look at what works when we get the solar panels installed finally since I want to combine it with that too, last time I checked there were issues but dont remember what it was
misty saffron
smart bulbs are nice if you don’t want to (or can’t) install dimmer switches
misty saffron
Get a conbe 2 or the new home assistant stick which supports ZigBee and matter d...
honestly seems like too much hassle for light bulbs
tropic nacelle
I'll look at what works when we get the solar panels installed finally since I w...
Definitely getting simpler now with matter finally being released, a lot of manufactures are implementing support which is even better
misty saffron
fucking E14 light fixture also limits the choices
tropic nacelle
honestly seems like too much hassle for light bulbs
Hassle? Depends what you think I guess.
Took less than half an hour to setup home assistant on my basic pc I use for Nas/streaming, simple docker container and plug connbee in which is detected.
Then just plug lights in and look for it in the assistant app to pair it.
Really simple overall and I have it setup to turn on my cellar light when a door opens as the light switch is a pain to reach everytime.
Lots of little things are good, having power plugs setup to schedule to turn off things over night or when temperatures reach a certain level is a nice factor.
misty saffron
i rent a flat so i can’t really do anything smart home so all that seems like too much, also i want to connect them to wifi and forget about them
don’t feel like fucking around with an rpi/pc to set up as hub
tropic nacelle
I mean you need some sort of hub so either you get it complete like Philips hue which has a hub or you are best served with home assistant.
Why does renting stop you doing things ? Just take the bulb out and replace with a new one?
Definitely agree it's not for everyone, it just depends if you see value in it.
still loom
astral haven
thats from the camera
wheat plume
Probably to texture it so it feels nice to use the stylus on
astral haven
no
wheat plume
Oh
astral haven
its bloom that the camera is mishandling
wheat plume
Aha
gusty kiln
other than foldables, nothing has made me want to upgrade from my S20 FE
Samsung software is way better now
than before
wheat plume
I still hate OneUI status bar icons
.....they are so small and old looking
astral haven
what
wheat plume
They look straight from Android 4
I'm talking about the battery and mute and whatnot icons on the status bar
Stock Android icons are so nice and large and simple
astral haven
except the samsung os has more features not fewer?
astral haven
Stock Android icons are so nice and large and simple
on my phone the icons are lager and simpler...
wheat plume
One thing I'm jealous of on OneUI is Samsung Good Lock
Custom ROM levels of customisation built onto your stock ROM
astral haven
main killer feature of samsung besides the better hardware is dex
i havent actually turned on my pc in several months
gusty kiln
Hope Valve can make steamOS mainstream one day
samsung internet broswer allows for ublock origin
that's what I am using, it's nice
astral haven
and i use a network side ad blocker
gusty kiln
and i use a network side ad blocker
a custom solution or from a VPN?
astral haven
pia
astral haven
gonna try to get pihole set up
but im not a decisionmaker regarding the network
grapheneos is not easy
at least not end user easy
explain in 2 words how to install it
because thats how easy it is on other phones
"you dont"
"the web installer doesnt open on my phone"
you are deluded if you think an end user will do that
gusty kiln
imagine even getting to the terminal stage
pale sigil
Why is it when I got the deck jedi fallen order ran so damn good
Now it runs shit
Darn proton
wheat plume
I've been using Mullvad
good choice
gusty kiln
not needing to "sign up" is pretty nice
tight forge
samsung internet broswer allows for ublock origin
firefox for android now has extensions like ublock, darkreader, and privacy badger and a couple others
gusty kiln
yeah I also have Firefox on my phone as well, been alternating between that and Samsung Internet
I never touch chrome on android anymore
gusty kiln
seems like it's trying to compete with the Fiio K9 Pro
in terms of features
oh nvm, way less power and only 280 usd
wait it can also be a wireless transmitter
that's really cool
@ashen spindle didn't think we would reach 85 today
wheat plume
font changing in notepad is a thing now, and tabs
if they added syntax highlighting then maybe it could be almost up to par with Gedit on Linux :')
crimson wigeon
Font changing has always been a thing though
wheat plume
I just realised...the font selection in kate and other KDE apps is very similar to how it looks on Windows 7
but slightly more modern looking
tight forge
i mean it's just the most efficient way to pack that info
final flame
that isn't just the windows 7 one, that's the legacy one, a lot of older applications use it
crisp granite
29 gram mouse
not surprising at all
it'll have a tiny battery, tiny shell and no size to it
or it'll be wired and as described above
slate solar
not surprising at all
it'll have a tiny battery, tiny shell and no size to it
Yeah you’d have to make so many compromises
slate solar
slate solar
More like Actual QC
crisp granite
probably won't arrive dead too
pale sigil
https://twitter.com/finalmouse/status/1620943550216302592?s=46&t=aPq00JTqD8i9SH5...
just why
pure garnet
??
They never killed all the artists? And China still produces fantastic art
They did forsake their traditional art tho to get away from their old monarchial roots and outdated culture etc
I don't really agree with limiting art but I can see why as they were trying to radically change their culture
restive sonnet
picked these caps up last week
restive sonnet
i thought it looked cool cause the different fonts lol
hasty geyser
Ye
north stream
picked these caps up last week
holy shit these caps are winning in category "ugliest i ever seen"
im sorry
restive sonnet
😂
north stream
this rgb makes them even worse
restive sonnet
not my keyboard
old marlin
make the rgb red and white
restive sonnet
i don’t use rgb
restive sonnet
i have a yellow setup that’s just the picture on the website
i have a few colored sets and don’t have a solid black so i got em
mossy plinth
What would y'all say is the best thing to do with two dead 60% Poker boards.
One is a Pok3r with a dead USB port and the other is a Vortex OG Poker with unknown dead board 😂
vocal cipher
soldering would give you at least one working
mossy plinth
additionally because it is plate mounted switches I'd have to desolder EVERY single switch just so I can access the USB port to desolder and resolder a new one on lmao
reef patrol
Welcome to custom keyboards pre-hotswap era 😄
wheat plume
its physically impossible cause of the length of the touchpad cable
gee..thanks Apple .-.
reef patrol
Hardly their fault.
mossy plinth
Welcome to custom keyboards pre-hotswap era 😄
It's honestly why I stopped using a 60%, I just couldn't be bothered to fix it
And considering you can buy a Pok3r for like £50 now why would I spend hours to fix something I could just buy for £50
Something I've learnt as i've gotten older is that time is money
mossy plinth
I bought the pok3r like 8 years ago or so and same for the poker. They were both working when I bought them. Time and use just causes them to break
The usb port for the pok3r is sandwiched between the PCB and the plate mount so you have to desolder every switch to access it
misty saffron
gee..thanks Apple .-.
are you seriously gonna blame apple for not making 2 generations of laptops’ motherboards compatible
apple doesn’t do everything right but nobody does this
latent mural
Did you guys write the firmware or based on something like QMK ? I should check git b4 asking x.x
reef patrol
I don't know how much of it is based on open source inspiration, but it is all in house. No full use of anyone else's. Also wouldn't help much given how QMK only added analog? very, very recently in a fork I think?
old marlin
I mean
latent mural
sadly i bought this GMMK2 way too fast rofl, I rly wish i found wooting b4 . I can always uses it for my workstation and wooting for gaming
old marlin
still HID and xinput
latent mural
yeah
old marlin
and afaik the web version of wootility works in windows linux and macos?
latent mural
as long it's not bloated like some shits brand I'm gucci
latent mural
Yeah anyway I hate running stuff for nothing, forked atlasOS for this reason ( simply renabled security stuff i needed )
misty saffron
you can either use the web version or install wootility, do whatever you wanted to do, uninstall
latent mural
Sweet anyway the web idea is not bad
old marlin
Yeah anyway I hate running stuff for nothing, forked atlasOS for this reason ( s...
why not just use revios 
latent mural
Idk about it, I'm about to google
I randomly stumbled on atlas and started replacing some of his .exe and stuff from atlasModules ( Didn't trust exec + didn't feel like reversing ) and Bare atlas did look way too risky LOL
disabling all those security stuff is a good way to end up exploited randomly by RCE at least the attack surface is smaller than default windows .
tropic nacelle
Why do m2 slots have such a silly screw size.
My box only had 1 and I need another , can't find any screw near that size argh!
old marlin
no bayer pattern?
tropic nacelle
The 27" LG OLED 1440p 240hz uses a RBG subpixel layout
Aren't you forgetting the additional white pixel?
I'd be extremely shocked if it's not WRGB.
Are you sure?
reef patrol
Why do m2 slots have such a silly screw size.
My box only had 1 and I need anot...
Why does M2 use 2mm screws? How odd indeed.
🤔
tropic nacelle
Why does M2 use 2mm screws? How odd indeed.
I mean why can't they be toolless or Asrock did me dirty by giving me only 1 screw for a 2xm2 slot board!
reef patrol
You can buy plugs that don't need screwing in if you want to.
I for one would hate a tool-less approach given how many PCI-E end pieces I've broken over the years 😄
tropic nacelle
Yeah I just mean it's such a small unusual screw size which makes it a pain as now I need to order some!
I guess I could just use some electrical tape for now though.
Never broke a PCIE slot!
gusty kiln
Aren't you forgetting the additional white pixel?
I'd be extremely shocked if ...
Optimum tech showed weird text fringing in his video
Even his crosshair in games have a weird fringe spot
tropic nacelle
Or whoops I misread your comment, my fault! That seems odd to change it to RBG.
There is always a bit of a difference due to the white pixel but I haven't seen their video so couldn't say.
wheat plume
gusty kiln
Yikes
reef patrol
Well that's going to kill a lot of interest for sure.
gusty kiln
It almost looks like the white pixel is between the red and blue judging by the gap
mossy plinth
Selenium Automated Browser Installs be like 📈 on the 9th
wheat plume
what are those?
tropic nacelle
Wow that's a really stupid and odd choice, that makes so little sense for LG to have done that.
gusty kiln
Yeah, everyone was expecting a wrgb layout
Wonder if they were having issues with this panel
misty saffron
windows’ cleartype expects RGB pixels so no wonder it looks shit
another reason subpixel antialiasing should die already
tropic nacelle
another reason subpixel antialiasing should die already
How do you deal with aliasing if not in that way?
If anything it just means Microsoft needs to implement alternative logics for different subpixel rendering or open it up so others can easily add theirs.
misty saffron
How do you deal with aliasing if not in that way?
If anything it just means Mic...
use entire pixels 🤷
freetype and whatever macos uses (freetype fork?) don’t support subpixel antialiasing, for example
looks better as well on non-crt screens imo
macos probably due to retina but i don’t feel like having a rant right now
crimson wigeon
Freetype does support it, I know because I use it
misty saffron
interesting, i’ve only seen it output alpha bitmaps
either way, i don’t understand how subpixel antialiasing is still used on modern displays
crimson wigeon
To pretend to have a non suck DPI
wheat plume
How TF does ubuntu have such AMAZING font rendering?
it looks fantastic and IDK how to replicate that in any other distro ;-;
or Windows, font looks worse on Windows too
crimson wigeon
The trend however is to go full grayscale antialiasing, for example all the modern UWP / WinUI / whatever stuff doesn't use subpixel antialiasing
misty saffron
or Windows, font looks worse on Windows too
freetype and cleartype
different font rendering engines
misty saffron
The trend however is to go full grayscale antialiasing, for example all the mode...
good
misty saffron
you can’t change font rendering engine on windows so good luck with that
you can download an app that hooks gdi but it’s jank
misty saffron
ashen spindle
It’s the cleartype text tuner
wheat plume
they all look the same
misty saffron
i cant recommend using that
wheat plume
other than font weight
ashen spindle
You can tune it, not fundamentally change it
crimson wigeon
ClearType is a software technology developed by Microsoft that improves the readability of text on existing LCDs (Liquid Crystal Displays), such as laptop screens, Pocket PC screens, and flat panel monitors.
wheat plume
has microsoft ever updated cleartype since it was added in xp?
probably not
misty saffron
i was always convinced cleartype was added for crts
but lcd 800x600 25+ inch screens are also great
tropic nacelle
It wasn't needed for CRTs as the way it produces a pixel displays is not as prone to aliasing.
I miss my crt, was so good!
gusty kiln
Just waiting for a breakthrough display tech
tropic nacelle
Plasma was a reasonable next step but then that was abandoned when Panasonic seemingly perfected the formula.
My QD-OLED monitor is great and vastly better than my IPS panels but it's still a sample and hold method which isn't flawless,it's why plasmas were so good for motion.
MicroLED and real quantum dog displays are the breakthrough tech that will be long term the ones to get
crude hatch
replaced with what?
ashen spindle
qned is the most likely thing that samsung is working on
not to mistake with the completely different qned from lg
crude hatch
lol they need to come up with better acronyms
tropic nacelle
Just wait until you hear microLED doesn't always mean microLED, companies are already producing larger LEDs are marketing as micro when it's too large.
It's very annoying as it muddies the water significantly, it's the same with panels going 1ms response time when they are like 5 or 15ms, then someone who actually has a 1ms panel decides they need to say 0.1ms to sound better than the liars and they themselves become part of the problem.
crude hatch
glad im not in the market for anything new right now
or (hopefully) the next year or 2
ashen spindle
well the original pan for qned was 24/25 for market availability of tvs, who knows if that still is possible or if something else comes inbetween or is getting fully repalced idk
but in theory at least it sounds nice, qd-oled without any burn in by removing the organic part
and higher brightness
or maybe someone aside from samsung can finally do decent VA panels so we get more from that
crude hatch
I had a 1440 240hz g7 from samsung that used their VA panel. It was really good until it started to flicker.
ashen spindle
I just hope something better comes out by the time I need to replace my qdoeld xD
mossy plinth
Now this sounds crazy but hear me out, what if you had a mouse that used Lekker switches 
ashen spindle
if you want an analogue mouse the swiftpoint z exists already
mossy plinth
Very interesting, I'll check it out
Seems to not be analogue but instead has "deepclick"?
ashen spindle
yes thats what they call their pressure sensitive buttons
crude hatch
wait, is it analog or pressure sensitive?
tropic nacelle
The new improved version of it is launching soon as well.
ashen spindle
idk what it exactly is, just that the buttons know how far you press it so it can be used like the wootings analogue features
not interesting for me since I dont want a brick as a mouse
crude hatch
how far you press is analog, how hard you press is some sort of load cell
ashen spindle
I mean that's just how its implemented, result is the same
so yes if you want to be accurate by analogue I meant it's not 0 or 1
tropic nacelle
Yeah it does percentage, it's got a reasonable degree of variability to it so it's not just an on or off type thing.
mossy plinth
They say it's pressure sensitive but then said it's either a light click or a hard click? I wonder if you can tap into the exact values or if it's two switches that require different amounts of forces to actuate?
ashen spindle
Since you can do more than two things just two switches wouldn’t work
mossy plinth
So it can do more than two things from one press?
Oooh they do have a scale for amount of force
mossy plinth
I mean in this case you could use mouse 1 as right trigger and mouse 2 as a left trigger
crude hatch
reviews of viper mini signature edition just dropped. $280. Boardzys copy has terrible side buttons and some grinding in the main clicks lol
gusty kiln
Oooofff
mossy plinth
Can't find any stock in the UK and struggling with Europe too.
Ordering direct would be $200 and $50+ for taxes and import
gusty kiln
@vivid vine
crimson wigeon
Maybe this time I'll back it..
ashen spindle
if they can like half the weight I might be interested xD
crude hatch
there are many people that would disagree with razer qc lol
ashen spindle
I mean compared to FM
crude hatch
low bar, but clearing it is clearing it
Techne's copy has grinding too. These are hand-picked review samples lol
gusty kiln
<@140241126694191104> I thought FM was slapping people around with the price, Ra...
I bet finalmouse are jealous right now
They could have easily pushed 300 on that new 29 gram mouse
crude hatch
Have they annouced the price for that yet? They can still make it $300
slate solar
Have they annouced the price for that yet? They can still make it $300
$199
Apparently
But trying for $189
But it’s fm so who knows
crude hatch
compared to razer, even $199 is a steal
pale sigil
An empty shell
slate solar
Fomo marketing
crude hatch
one word.
slate solar
works well enough
crude hatch
clout
slate solar
Why people chase these mice
Oh and apparently if you own all of them FM will make you your 1/1 mouse
crude hatch
whats the point of getting a rare final mouse product if you cant even brag about it on twitter
slate solar
ashen spindle
marketing, limited, some actual improvements in mouse space did come via FM
crimson wigeon
Because it's right there in the name, final mouse you'll ever want or need so you just gotta get one and you're set
grizzled prism
should i use IPA to clean keyboard (keycaps removed) or is water + cloth fine?
crude hatch
I dont know how well the fomo marketing works. sure they sell out, but they have a lot of people that hate them for it. logitech, and before today, razer didnt need to rely on scarcity to sell mice
or pulsar, or lamzu, or zowie....
crisp granite
The need for scarcity in Finalmouse’s product line is sad
That’s all they really have going nowadays
ashen spindle
it makes sense though
if it was made in bigger amounts more people would find their QC flaws 
crisp granite
They used to be like wooting, constantly pushing the envelope
Now other brands have taken over that and they’re just kinda…selling the same thing a dozen times over with new colours
fickle ore
They used to be like wooting, constantly pushing the envelope
Lol they never pushed the envelope 😛
500hz in 2022
crisp granite
Eh, at first they did, when mice came with wires
fickle ore
Eh, at first they did, when mice came with wires
No lmao
misty saffron
wires
ashen spindle
you can push it in one space even if you are years behind in others
fickle ore
you can push it in one space even if you are years behind in others
Yeah true they pushed the price and scarcity
ashen spindle
would mostly say in weight, probably also in doing some other forms
fickle ore
They were never the most light weight
ashen spindle
no but ever since then more and more light mice came out and got popular
fickle ore
their latency was always subpar
still 500hz coping cuz their homebrew f/w is garbo tier
fickle ore
no but ever since then more and more light mice came out and got popular
Idk, that was inevitable progression wise methinks
ashen spindle
nobody else really pushed it though
crude hatch
thats posible, but they created a lot of copycats which likely created the lightweight holes mouse market
we have thankfully figured out how to not do that anymore, but some still hold onto it
fickle ore
nobody else really pushed it though
Some did, but none of the big companies did. Nor did the ones pushing weight did such marketing as FM, so the general public wouldn't know other low weight mice existed ig
So I guess FM did make the big companies step up
ashen spindle
yea
crude hatch
the problem final mouse ran into was big players stepping into their market and investing in qc
fickle ore
Honestly I'd prob buy a FM cuz they're kinda big player rn, IF they had better f/w and less latency and atleast 1khz lol.
ashen spindle
wouldn't say others investing into qc, would say their issue was doing no qc at all, at least thats how it feels/lloks like
fickle ore
But I just can't do it when their click latency is +5 ms coupled with 500hz
Opticals/Sr latch too good and 2khz+
Honestly I'm considering cuz it has adjustable sensor position
crude hatch
I feel like they are just doing things to make a spectacle rather than make a decent mouse. There is no reason to make the body out of magnesium other than to say they did. in fact, it even makes it harder to figure out wireless signal
fickle ore
Yeah magnesium is a gimmick
crude hatch
so the development money went into buying and machining magnesium rather than a 1000hz sensor lol
form at the cost of function
be careful with the pwnage mouse tho. looks like a cheese grater
median crystal
absolutley nothing
fickle ore
be careful with the pwnage mouse tho. looks like a cheese grater
Yeah will probably cut my arms with it but w/e 😄
crude hatch
there is no such thing as maximum precision. thats not how numbers work lol
fickle ore
The theory is that with adjustable sensor position you can optimize your optimal sensor position, which can improve your aim by up to 14 %.
Atleast, according to one paper.,
misty saffron
i fail to understand why it matters
misty saffron
at the end of the day you’re still just moving your mouse on the desk
its not using absolute positioning
fickle ore
And you can't improve "moving mouse on the desk"?
misty saffron
not by moving where the sensor is i don’t think
fickle ore
I disagree. It ultimately affects your ROM, without touching sensitivity
Some movements are possible that are not otherwise, but you'll have to look really hard
crude hatch
Id like to see some of those otherwise impossible moves. all you are doing is changing the sensor position as it relates to your hand, which you can already do by extending or retracting the mouse into your palm
ashen spindle
changing mouse grip is not the same since you have to change what you are used to/comfortable with
crude hatch
youll need to adjust to the new sensor position too but that cant be undone by moving your fingers
ashen spindle
idk about that paper he mentioned about what it could do or not, just seems plausible
crude hatch
its moving a sensor along an x/y plane, im not really sure how crazy it can get but maybe pwnage knows something no one else does
ashen spindle
https://twitter.com/shinobi602/status/1621187511266451464 huh interresting stats
guess it makes sense for people who get their first console and its a ps5 but never thought about it really
crude hatch
its just good in general that people who want one are finally starting to be able to get one
30% is pretty high tho especially considering the user base Sony has that will follow generation to generation
ashen spindle
well time to reduce that % by one person, I need to find one before summer xD
crude hatch
lol I lucked out RIGHT before christmas somehow and manged to find a God of War bundle
last I was at a best buy a few weeks ago they just had about 15 in stock
ashen spindle
oh wait it said ps4, I would increase the number, I just had a ps3 xD
crude hatch
lol close enough
while somehow whining about sony every generation, ive happened to have owned each console.
ashen spindle
well bundle wouldn't work for me, I already pre ordered the game just need a console now
crude hatch
you pre ordered the game without having the console?
ashen spindle
it releases in june, I have time xD
crude hatch
which game are you talking about?
ashen spindle
FF XVI
ashen spindle
20th of june or so is the date
crude hatch
its hard to argue the strength of some of their first party/exclusive titles
forspoken not withstanding...
ashen spindle
they have a cycle kinda like windows with alternating of great/great trash games lmfao
crude hatch
its just if you want to play anything other than 3rd person action games on a playstation, you are kind screwed
from one of their first party devs
ashen spindle
well I'll play 16, demon souls, bloodborne, god of war, horizon maybe
so good enough for me
crude hatch
horizon is next on my list
ashen spindle
well ps3 controller also had features no game aside from I think MGS used
so thats nothing new sadly
gusty kiln
Their first
Final mouse
Think only reviewers have them atm
Boardzy's copy hasn't horrendous side button wobble
misty saffron
aint coming to amd
3. Intel says that Unison currently works only on Evo-powered laptops running on Intel 13th-Gen processors. However, we installed Intel Unison on an Intel 8th-Gen non-Evo laptop in this guide, and it worked without any issues. I am sure it will work on AMD and ARM-based Windows 11 laptops as well.
only 22h2 though ugh
ashen spindle
I think they just validate it on evo to run, other intel devices can work
and amd only if they feel like it maybe
reef patrol
https://twitter.com/TwitterDev/status/1621026986784337922
Elon HAS to be doing this on purpose to sink Twitter. The company somehow miraculously survived the first few months where people were predicting the service going down due to MASSIVE firing of essential staff. And now this 😄
Twitter
ashen spindle
I mean he also removed this info and its back so idk
marsh glade
Wait does this mean that apps like Tweeten won't work anymore?
ashen spindle
probably some slightly cheaper options for the new changes but thats the current list
ashen spindle
Wait does this mean that apps like Tweeten won't work anymore?
maybe, maybe not, could just be for bots, could be for anything
ashen spindle
maybe people will make scripts that make it so you use it from your own site without using the api and sell that as an app
marsh glade
To not have a $30 tier is asinine
ashen spindle
its the current list so keep in mind that is not how it will likely be once the changes happen
since they likely know that lots of people will pay if its a bit more reasonable
yeah but that doesnt mean you should need to pay when you make a bot that posts cats every hour
more recent leak is that those leaks are false and no price cut happens for now at least
crisp granite
Bruh
Honestly that doesn’t look bad at all
The price tag hurts but it’s pretty justified
Magnesium alloy shell of my German isn’t totally ass
And otherwise their best viper in terms of specs
tropic nacelle
Razer is normally quite expensive for what it is.
Just ends up heavily discounted later in the year
crisp granite
Exactly when I planned to pick it up
320€ for a mouse? perhaps not
Drop a hundred off that price for the same thing? Then it’s interesting
pallid ocean
seems like a cool mouse, but yeah price tag hurts...
Sad because I wanted to pick up the viper mini when wireless came out, but this is way more than just a wireless mini and because of that, price hurts...
lofty pivot
They said this is supposed to be their passion project version and the actual mass public one is still in development
Honestly at this stage though there are better mini mice for fingertip and claw shapes. I see no reason for anyone to continue waiting for summer release of their more budget friendly version
Lamzu mini beats it for claw, x2 mini beats it for fingertip. The viper mini was amazing at launch but other mini shapes were released and are just better now
shadow minnow
Such fair price I am sir it’s justified
fickle ore
terrible pricing
pallid ocean
Such fair price I am sir it’s justified
yeah $150 for the brand, then $130 for the mouse
fickle ore
yeah $150 for the brand, then $130 for the mouse
it's 320€ in the EU so dont forget the 70€ for the govt.
pallid ocean
oh haha
I thought australia had it bad (we usually just get price hikes without $ for gov)
wheat plume
I love how this mouse is "wireless"
you need to have a cable with a reciever pointed towards the mouse
so its only wireless for like 10 cm
from the mousepad to the edge of your desk or whatever
fickle ore
The issue with pricing consumer goods like this is the tax becomes bigger and bigger until you don't wanna pay it. Don't wanna tip the govt too much.
pallid ocean
so its only wireless for like 10 cm
I think you're missing the point of wireless... the cable creates resistance which isn't great with such a low weight mouse
fickle ore
so its only wireless for like 10 cm
Oh, it'll work from way longer. Atleast my Razer Naga V2 Pro does from meters away
wheat plume
o
pallid ocean
yeah, my G Pro Superlight works for atleast 6meters which is useful when watching movies from the couch on my laptop.
I don't think it's perfect tracking at that range though, but still works fine
misty saffron
https://youtu.be/VdKqVmFSkI0
i don’t hate the pattern tbh
wheat plume
yeh, it looks nice
crisp granite
Honestly it may be the first premium mouse I actually am considering getting
pallid ocean
Atleast it has the 4k dongle in the box, which costs $50 alone (RRP, not scalping prices lol)
crisp granite
Spending 400 of the local or more on peripherals is normal here
pallid ocean
Spending 400 of the local or more on peripherals is normal here
australian too?
pallid ocean
😂 yeah i'm fked
misty saffron
at least brands now finally have to pretend to be apple in terms of design of the insides
pallid ocean
@crisp granite gotta make sure you are online at launch time then, it's gonna sell out instantly
crisp granite
<@449275309909344266> gotta make sure you are online at launch time then, it's g...
Gonna wait till the hype dies down and it’s discounted
pallid ocean
Good idea :)
crisp granite
(just ignore that most of my apple stuff I preordered for pickup on launch day)
pallid ocean
lol apple is a lil different, you might save 5% if you wait a year...
true quest
which is
true quest
no significant drops in performance?
latent mural
Final M ouse or Razer Mouse it is
crisp granite
Final M ouse or Razer Mouse it is
Razer mouse
pallid ocean
finalmouse is cheaper
crisp granite
It’s both useable and actually available
Also really good techwise
Or could just get the M3K
crude hatch
Atleast it has the 4k dongle in the box, which costs $50 alone (RRP, not scalpin...
its $30, with a 50% off coupon active until they have inventory just in stock
so $15
latent mural
i heard lots of people have issue with finalmouse
thick elk
Oh yea forgot about that game seems I have it on my waitlist at € 20 which it has not hit yet
pallid ocean
its $30, with a 50% off coupon active until they have inventory just in stock
oh yeah, it's $56.95AUD. Wasn't aware of the cupon code :)
crude hatch
I dont think its a super public thing htey have been broadcasting, but it exists and works, I only paid $15 for mine
thats not how forged carbon works but a mouse isnt really a good use case either way
its more expensive than weeave
yes and no
crude hatch
yes 2 mice are the measuring tool by which all carbon handling and manufacturing shall be measured
carbon toally isnt used anywhere else than for making mice, youre right
also their tooling is simple and should make it easy to make these mice lol
preferenace
opinion
you are allowed to not like it, but that doesnt make it cheaper
misty saffron
this just seems like being expensive for the sake of being expensive
what brands make those cool and hip deskpads with nice prints
i wanna find some in moscow
crude hatch
this just seems like being expensive for the sake of being expensive
It is. There is zero practical reason to make a mouse from carbon fiber, especially forged carbon.
misty saffron
eh i don’t hate the finish
tight forge
just wrap it
crude hatch
Wrap would probably lighter than the carbon on those McLarens. A lot of those show cars for that are just panels that go on top of the normal bodywork.
old marlin
It is. There is zero practical reason to make a mouse from carbon fiber, especia...
hard to beat strength per gramm
that is the reason
and at the amounts that finalmouse makes it is prob still cheaper than a hybrid of plastics and a ribbing out of CF or something similar
crude hatch
mice dont see the kind of forces youd need to justify carbon
old marlin
they do
there are quite a lot of mice that have flex problems
because the shell got too thin
with not enough internal structure
with ABS we are basically at the limit already with current gen mice
there is not much you could do in optimization
now if you don't care about removing more weight, great for you, just buy something like the xm2we
bold iris
I got the XM1R, 10/10 would recommend
old marlin
you can't infinitley go thinner
without loosing structure
at least not with swapping out materials (partially)
that is my point though
they could go thinner
but it would ruin structure
not good for something that a lot of different people will hold in their hand in tense situations
I mean
it's fair
my dav3 is extremely solid
some people squeeze harder than others
that thing weighs 63g
(officially)
so realistically prob more like 60-62
less than an air58
and it is wireless
larger
and has 0 flex in it
unsure
I mean I already have an SL-12 
nah
bought my on the used market
for under msrp
latent mural
I wonder when https://atompalm.com/?variant=32372218167345 will restock. I'm curious about their sensor
old marlin
the sensor is nothing special
latent mural
I need to read https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0053/9203/9985/files/Switches_in_High_Performance_Peripherals.pdf?v=1604075439 bookmarked 4 l8r . Hopefully it wont be an essai of buzz words
nvm PMW 3360 , its not the sensor
old marlin
I need to read https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0053/9203/9985/files/Switches_i...
that's just about sensing switches and their debounce method
latent mural
yee saw that by reading properly website lol
wheat plume
Link the record then to prove it :')
old marlin
that was before any 8khz mice were released yet
rough osprey
wooting being 1khz kinda cringe
old marlin
<:KEKW:709804361861169202> that was before any 8khz mice were released yet
that being said
it is based on the same firmware as the m2k
so should perform extremely similar to that
aka
lowest click latency there is atm
as well as lowest motion delay there is atm
although less smooth motion than a viper 8k
since the 3360 has no option for fixed fps
while the viper 8k just runs at a fixed fps that is like twice of the maximum of the 3360
rough osprey
gotta wait for m3k or m2s
old marlin
hope Logitech gonna release something that isn't garbage like the g705 this year
old marlin
superlight do be heavy
eh
60g is fine
at that size
won't get much lighter
without going smaller
or exotic materials
old marlin
wdym "newest tech"
rough osprey
could be close to 50g then
rough osprey
wdym "newest tech"
higher polling rate
rough osprey
what sensor are they using
old marlin
logitech?
the hero
basically all their gaming mice are either on the modern hero with integrated illumination or the 1805/robin sensor
rough osprey
nothing with motionsync or
old marlin
afaik hero does not have motionsync
and the 1805 is just a lower end version of it
to the point where you could solder an 1805 hero in a 12k hero board
reef patrol
ashen spindle
that is so cursed
halcyon moss
meh, does it matteR?
old marlin
not really no
halcyon moss
i guess only if you have a glass case 
wheat plume
WTF LOL
reef patrol
meh, does it matteR?
I think the biggest real concern is lazy design. You should be able to work around needing weird angles like this with your PCB design, and doing this might mean they need more PCB variants for different models, since they apparently feel that's better/cheaper? than using a flex cable that folds?
vagrant pagoda
I think the biggest real concern is lazy design. You should be able to work arou...
Yeah I guess saving a few mm of flat flex is worth it?
fickle ore
shape > weight
this is because youre like 2m tall so a random 60g mouse feels the same as a 40g mouse would for normal size folks
😛
old marlin
this is because youre like 2m tall so a random 60g mouse feels the same as a 40g...
still applies
much more interesting than an M1S imo
fickle ore
Seen that lol wtf is that. Rocket launch station in the middle
tbh it'll prob feel nice but looks weird
fair gull
https://twitter.com/atomicthumbs/status/1620939967576027136
this isnt anything new though
i hated that shot at my old job
always looked like i fucked the nvme drives
old marlin
fair gull
if hp now figure out how to get good onsite technicians for replacement parts
that would be dope
old marlin
dell has been stupid solid for me in that regard
don't have any experience with hp in that regard
fair gull
the technician in my old hometown area had no idea about computers
idk how he even got the job
old marlin
oof
fair gull
he claimed one our PCs PSU was defective
old marlin
the dell one here is an older russian guy
fair gull
you know how he knew?
fair gull
tech opened the case... all stock... he looks at the ssd cause he needed to remove the sata power cables and goes huh this doesnt look right refering to the sata power only having 4 wires going through it.... when in fact its that way cause theres a molex at the very end
mofo never even saw the PSUs in the PCs he repairs apparently
old marlin
old marlin
lenovo still was the best one for me
broken power button
support was 100% sure it was the plastic part on top of the button
told them it is not
they still only sent the plastic part
technician comes over
replaces the plastic part
didn't fix issue
he proceeds to flirt with the woman in our entrance room
not fixed
gg
the guy couldn't even make a new ticket for it or anything
vagrant pagoda
if hp now figure out how to get good onsite technicians for replacement parts
I never had issue with hpe
fair gull
HPE is not HP for consumer stuff
fair gull
HP
vagrant pagoda
Consumer stuff is ship back
fair gull
not always
vagrant pagoda
That sounds really expensive lol
fair gull
i had tons of consumer stuff repaired on site with HP, lenovo, asus and a few others
all for free
the only time so far I had to send something back was an HP AiO
vagrant pagoda
That's odd
fair gull
and the call was equally hilarious
had to tell the person on the phone like 20times that i can not turn it on
not even to run the self diagnostics
and they still asked me to run them
fair gull
That's odd
was the norm when i filed tickets about broken stuff that a tech came out to replace it
always was the same guy
vagrant pagoda
That's an eu thing then lol
fair gull
u see in terms of HP in my old home towns region id have preferred a send in
the tech was just shite
old marlin
That sounds really expensive lol
with business stuff that is normal
the extra support is a negligeble cost
and you get minimal downtime
fair gull
idk if my old comp still does warranties for customers
or if they now shift that to the customer
old marlin
lol
fair gull
god i really hated being a pc tech thinking back
vagrant pagoda
with business stuff that is normal
I said that. Tony said consumer.
old marlin
yea if you buy a laptop from HP
fair gull
probooks also get a good chunk of free services
fair gull
ye
old marlin
HPE is basically only server and datacenter stuff
fair gull
ofc if you buy an HP 240 G6 or so
you will most likely need to send that back
i guess Prosumer is the better term
old marlin
this dude straight up says it isn't compatible
because he is incapable of screwing on the adapter plate the right way around
vagrant pagoda
Lmao
tight forge
some people just built diff
gusty kiln
pale sigil
Any 12" tablets that are actually decent that aren't Apple?
Not Samsung
Me iPad is finally pissing me off
crisp granite
Any 12" tablets that are actually decent that aren't Apple?
Uh, jailbroken iPad?
As far as good tablets, that’s your only option if you can’t live with iPadOS
pale sigil
Money lol
I just came seem to justify it
After a good while thinking about it
I was going to keep my current but now it's faulty
pale sigil
It is for tablets
But yes you're right on the beggars can't be choosers
Which is why I asked for 12" tabs that's aren't Apple
tight forge
when's the last time you used a samsung tab? from what i recall oneui's made pretty good strides towards the tablet experience
oneui is shockingly good now on phones and I don't expect samsung to have it be terrible on tablets either
especially when they churn those things out
pale sigil
when's the last time you used a samsung tab? from what i recall oneui's made pre...
Last time? Like 2 months ago
Much better but still ain't here
Nor is there a reason sinde the price is similar to an iPad and worse perf
final flame
what is your reason for owning a tablet?
pale sigil
Tbh the main reason I want the pro is screen and literally iPad OS 16
Along with the insane power of the M2
When I used one for a day it's night and day with iPad OS16
Samsung tabs are OK but pricing is abysmal
The screen is night and day too tbh
But I haven't been able to justify the price 😅 which is why I'm now looking for a cheaper sized alternative
But Samsung in terms of pricing is just illogical and makes.morr sense to get an iPad
final flame
what is your reason for owning a tablet?
?
tight forge
how is samsung pricing illogical LMAO they're cheaper than similar ipads
pale sigil
?
Media, games and the odd tasking stuff since I can.
Which again is why I came to the conclusion of not justifying £1100 😓
I use a pro first gen atm
final flame
if thats all you're using it for another older gen pro is going to be your best bet, or getting an current gen iPad air
if you really want to stay in the apple ecosystem
tight forge
well I don't know about uk pricing but you can get a 256gb tab s8 for $700 new
pale sigil
how is samsung pricing illogical LMAO they're cheaper than similar ipads
Samsung ultra costs £100 less than the iPad Pro 12.9" and is inferior
tight forge
So get a tab s7 for even cheaper
pale sigil
well I don't know about uk pricing but you can get a 256gb tab s8 for $700 new
Tab S8 is £750 and just way worse than pretty much all iPads
tight forge
"way worse" is definitely an overstatement but if that's your opinion so be it
final flame
the main difference between the high end android tablet market and the iPad market is processing speed and application support, won't matter unless youre doing heavy tasks
pale sigil
The iPad air which costs less is literally more than double perf
It just doesn't make sense to get one imo when you're getting less.
The air has an M1
Base iPad pro M2
Very similar price to the lowest end S8....
Only argument you can make is screen but tbh that gets thrown in the bin if you got an ultra.
final flame
I will say, as a iPad pro 5th gen 12.9" owner unless you need a very color accurate display for your workflow and can make use of its processing power fully, not just using it for games and media, it's not worth it
pale sigil
My argument was mostly against Samsung pricing is all
final flame
just get the air
pale sigil
Ye I think I'm gonna looking for an older gen but my issue is second hand
I have wonderful luck 😅
pale sigil
just get the air
Its something ive been considering aye
But I think I'd rather have a lower/mid 12" if I can and maybe get a pro later down the line.
But £750 wasn't really what I was thinking haha
Hahah surely there's some budgety tabs that aren't Samsung which is what I'm asking but at a higher screen size.
It's not that I can't afford it tbh, I just find the idea of spending £1100 on a tablet pain
On an unrelated note.
Why did it never occur to me a laptop GPU won't run that great on battery.
Spent ages thinking my laptop was borked
reef patrol
cold tendon
pale sigil
What y'all think would be a decent price for this spec
Didn't censor oops but it's me cousin anyway
@ashen spindle
flint sage
My pc isn't displaying and idk what's wrong it was working right before I went to sleep woke up and it wasn't displaying (everything is plugged in, I made sure to change the cables too)
ashen spindle
idk how muhc old shit is worth locally, look at what those parts sell for on ebay or similar
pale sigil
The ram kit I gave away 
tropic nacelle
What y'all think would be a decent price for this spec
Look at eBay or CEX for a bare minimum (parts usually).
The gpu probably the only thing worth anything.
On your iPad point, if you use iOS why would you consider anything else? That's the main thing of apple ecosystem to keep you there, no point moving out now.
pale sigil
Look at eBay or CEX for a bare minimum (parts usually).
The gpu probably the on...
I only use iPadOS
I don't use iPhones etc
So it's not entirely the ecosystem it's just how well iPad os is in everyway.
Every other tablet experience just kinda feels bleh
tropic nacelle
I only use iPadOS
Check HotUKDeals usually offers on iPads and stuff with some reasonable discounts.
Still a little surprised the pro is not OLED yet!
pale sigil
That cpu/mobo I used to ye haha
pale sigil
Check HotUKDeals usually offers on iPads and stuff with some reasonable discount...
Mini led Is better imo
Or well, from a basic comparison.
tropic nacelle
Mini led Is better imo
Really? Doubtful, maybe a pro in outdoors but usually tablets are indoors no?
tropic nacelle
Yeah, LED will have higher brightness but can't reach the same contrast or motion response times.
Maybe they have quite a few zones these days to help I guess
pale sigil
Also I was testing the iPad both at home and in the apple shop which is very very bright omg
tropic nacelle
2500 they say, that's not bad considering that's similar to what Samsung have on their TVs xD.
pale sigil
In apples extremely lit room not max
Going into an apple store is basically light more irl
I hate it
tropic nacelle
The trick is to avoid the store, honestly last time I was in there with a friend and the snobbery is too high.
I don't care what people buy just buy what is best for you and your preference, it shouldn't be "hip" or a fashion/money statement heh
final flame
My pc isn't displaying and idk what's wrong it was working right before I went t...
if you have multiple monitors sometimes windows will do a funny thing and disconnect them
pale sigil
The trick is to avoid the store, honestly last time I was in there with a friend...
Way to high
I went to return the iPad pro and had to book an appointment when I arrived lmao
Had to come back in 45 min
flint sage
if you have multiple monitors sometimes windows will do a funny thing and discon...
I'll try one monitor ty
tropic nacelle
Imagine if Currys pulled that shit haha
pale sigil
Ikr ....
It took him longer to book my appointment than when I finally went in for a refund
tight forge
I'll try one monitor ty
Turn the monitors on
pale sigil
Refund took literally less than a minute
final flame
if you have a remote connection software you can re enable the monitors in the windows settings
flint sage
Turn the monitors on
They are I'm not that dumb
pale sigil
I think I'll look into going cex
I always thought it was only 12 months warranty but apparently it's 2 years
flint sage
if you have a remote connection software you can re enable the monitors in the w...
I turn the computer on and the monitors just says no connection and go into sleep mode (both of them)
I'll try one when I get a chance
tight forge
sorry i didn't mean it in that way ngl some monitors are dumb and have stupid power saving modes
tropic nacelle
I always thought it was only 12 months warranty but apparently it's 2 years
Yeah it can be reasonable these days, depending what you looking for.
tight forge
spam win+p a bit or maybe try different display output port? If you have an igpu try that?
final flame
in the windows settings you'll have the option to do different things with your monitor, project, duplicate etc, if you have multiple monitors it'll show disconnect as a option
flint sage
in the windows settings you'll have the option to do different things with your ...
I can't get into windows
My screens are black
Lol
final flame
if you use win + p and the arrow keys you should be able to choose another option
tight forge
hold on, are you even getting a post?
Like do you see your mobo splash screen when you turn the computer on?
pale sigil
So um did you try using onboard
flint sage
The pc turns on and the monitors said no connections and go into sleep mode
pale sigil
?...
flint sage
The pc was working yesterday and not it's not
tight forge
if you have an igpu please try that with one monitor
flint sage
Then resettung your settings
How if I can't see anything
pale sigil
How if I can't see anything
Try booting with your IGP
Plug the video cable into your motherboard
Not GPU
If you can
flint sage
I'll check when j can
tropic nacelle
Is the monitor on the correct input setting?
final flame
nah sounds like a software issue I've had something similar happen
reef patrol
Can't really be a software issue, if you dont POST.
Could be a BIOS issue, sure. But otherwise it's all hardware. No software loads before the POST is done.
pale sigil
Did we confirm they don't post?
reef patrol
Not at all - Just being pedantic over the "could be software" remark 😄
tropic nacelle
This is where a speaker onboard or a dot matrix display is helpful!
pale sigil
Don't most mobos tell you via led now
reef patrol
Most do these days, though typically just with LEDs not counters.
pale sigil
Mine isn't fancy pants XD
reef patrol
Always keep a beeper speaker handy
tropic nacelle
I've no idea, my cross hair 6 hero has one and that was instrumental when dealing with 1st gen ryzen launch issues haha.
No GPU means it's a reliant on it
flint sage
Try booting with your IGP
Tried both monitors individually - neither worked at displaying
Tried to plug it into my motherboard and it didn't display either
flint sage
I'll try other stuff tomorrow as I work night crew and need sleep but I'll probs just take it in to get looked at
pale sigil
What mobo do you use?
pale sigil
I'll try other stuff tomorrow as I work night crew and need sleep but I'll probs...
Alright.
flint sage
Are you using duel memory
Yep but again I've had this pc for 1 year it was working fine then it just stopped working 2 days ago
pale sigil
PCs are like Lana
They either post or don't post
And regardless it's confusing as to why.
@wheat plume sorry babe
flint sage
The motherboard shows a white light tho doesn't that mean it's good?
tropic nacelle
Usually they have LEDs across the board in different places saying what part has processed successfully or failed.
flint sage
I'll make a video about it tomorrow after work
Showing the inside of the pc and everything
It's so much easier
wheat plume
<@361968952592826378> sorry babe
Xf
why is Apple selling a metal display stand for more money than their entire fucking computer?
ashen spindle
beause its getting old to make fun of a 4 year old thing still
people who buy that just deserve to get ripped off
sharp badger
Also something else that is stupid(Not Apple related) but the Warp chargers that won't fast charge other phones is irritating
Does it fast charge 1+ devices?
Hate these ''Walled gardens'' that manufacturers have
tight forge
problem is that the usb-if has usb PD and the usb C connector/cable compliance standards separate
sharp badger
Just don't want to carry loads of chargers to fast charge devices
tight forge
I mean they do good work, stuff just needs to be consolidated
sharp badger
Yeah
tight forge
If you require compliant cables and devices to support USB PD then that will help the push towards a unified charging standard
yeah true
more on the device side would be nice
that's kinda also the reason for all the stupid naming of USB standards though to be honest
each major naming revision means a new standard, and then they have the sub naming for things like bandwidth
but it could be more concise for sure
but that allows cable and device makers to cheap out if they want
astral haven
But it wouldn't cost that much unless you need an optical cable or whatever
And the features just require an upgraded chip
tight forge
an upgraded chip is more money
astral haven
an upgraded chip is more money
No it doesn't, shockingly they cost less money
tight forge
huh
sharp badger
USB-C has got like 2.0, 3.0 , 3.1 Gen 1 , 3.1 Gen 2 etc. and when trying to search for a cable is frustrating sometimes
astral haven
I've got a bag full of 3 meter 10gbps 100w cables that I paid something like $20 for for 5 cables?
tight forge
usb-c is just the connector 
astral haven
Thing is
You arent supposed to use the version number...
They include them, but they are required to use the much more useful logos on the portd
The logos are what you should pay attention to
sharp badger
Yeah but to know the speed of those versions it's good to have something to rely on
astral haven
If it has the logo with 10 in it it's 10gbps
astral haven
Yeah but to know the speed of those versions it's good to have something to rely...
The logo
tight forge
same
astral haven
So i would need to go to the USB.org site and search for a Compliant one?
No just search for the logo
Because the port on their computer has a logo to match?
Or the device
The users don't know what it's called either way
But 4.0 is a standard
Not a spec
There are many many different cables that are defined by the standard
It's the best we have
In fact I would say that USB is the best non proprietary cable standard
sharp badger
What logo exactly?
astral haven
sharp badger
Ah ok, so that and the Thunderbolt logo?
astral haven
There are also the combo logos for the 240w pd charging but yes
Tho the thunderbolt logo isn't part of the standard and I believe is an Intel trademark
Which is 💢 but so be it
The usb4 standard is very good logo wise
Logo contains all the nescessary data
sharp badger
https://www.akasa.co.uk/update.php?tpl=product/product.detail.tpl&no=181&type=Cables&type_sub=USB Cables&model=AK-CBUB66-20BK This does not have logos though?