you get a fucking 3070ti
#🔌│tech
shadow minnow
You get a worse cpu screen and speakers too
And worse battery life
But yes for gaming don’t get a macOS product for sure
old marlin
for 30x0 mobile GPUs tdp is much more important than model
reef patrol
laughs in 1050 playing OpenTTD and Overwatch for hours during marketing classes
old marlin
depends on power budget
fair gull
instead of that pos in the mbp
ngl id still go macbook
shadow minnow
for 30x0 mobile GPUs tdp is much more important than model
True, the razer blade 14 GPU from tests I saw literally runs at half the speed on battery
old marlin
a mobile 3080 can perform within like 5% of a mobile 3060
old marlin
ngl id still go macbook
they just aren't comparable devices imo
if I could only have a single computer
I wouldn't go mbp
simply because I like to play games
fair gull
they just aren't comparable devices imo
depends on use case
reef patrol
Ultimately the question is...
... are you spending this much on a PC without getting a GPU for any kind of gaming?
... do you want to keep this for years to come, and want to be able to... repair it in any meaningful way
old marlin
depends on use case
they are intended for different use cases
shadow minnow
I mean yeah for gaming don’t get a MacBook, for productivity get a MacBook imo
jolly patrol
Is kbdfans tofu60 2.0 case compatible with wooting 60he?
fair gull
if i could only have 1 personal compute device besides my phone id go custom pc for sure
old marlin
would you swap your smartphone to daily drive a satellite telephone
old marlin
at least id have reception with a satellite phone rn
germany moment
reef patrol
Is kbdfans tofu60 2.0 case compatible with wooting 60he?
No. The USB is literally centered - which should be a major clue 😄
old marlin
shadow minnow
If I could have two devices I’d definitely go windows desktop macOS laptop
fair gull
so no phone?
old marlin
No. The USB is literally centered - which should be a major clue 😄
it's not even on the main PCB
shadow minnow
so no phone?
I mean two desktop ish devices haha
reef patrol
it's not even on the main PCB
Doesn't really matter if it's a daughterboard or not. The connector cutout is miles away from where it needs to be.
old marlin
If I could have two devices I’d definitely go windows desktop macOS laptop
that is not what people that buy gaming laptops have though
they want one device
old marlin
Doesn't really matter if it's a daughterboard or not. The connector cutout is mi...
yea
jolly patrol
No. The USB is literally centered - which should be a major clue 😄
ty!!!
shadow minnow
that is not what people that buy gaming laptops have though
Well yes, MacBook is a horrible gaming laptop
That’s not what it’s for
old marlin
That’s not what it’s for
so you get what I mean
the razer blade just isn't competition for the mbp
shadow minnow
Well unless you’d consider blade for productivity
frozen ingot
mine is pretty silent even at load 
well mines the opposite of thin so its probably that
shadow minnow
My MacBook is usually silent even when gaming which is cool
But the battery life is a pretty big deal too when I take it to college
And do stuff like programming arduino or pcb design when bored for hours
But then 2017” mbp I used before was horrible
shadow minnow
But then 2017” mbp I used before was horrible
The contrast is so big, like that machine was so so bad
reef patrol
shadow minnow
reef patrol
Sounds immersive and true to the story.
shadow minnow
But then under direct sunlight it’s like barely enough
If MacBooks could run all windows apps that would be cool
But not even microchip studio
halcyon moss
not the best, but really good, asus zephyrus g14 2022 edition
shadow minnow
Gotta love when my packet loss is higher than my ping
shadow minnow
My ping was 25 pl 32
vagrant pagoda
I saw Dune in laser imax
10/10 hurt my eyes
Same with Dunkirk, the flying scenes were brutal
tranquil idol
Thb on laptops, any are kind of useless without thunderbolt... AMD laptops naturally are missing the function. Nvidia GPUs are the next sku down and power limited. So the 3080 mobile is the 3070 desktop. Power limits are more determined by how aggressive the manufacturer was with cooling and CPU throttling.
IMHO the best laptop would be a 60 series, with a thunderbolt port and use an external GPU dock. Have everything at home or your mobile workstation plugged into the external GPU dock and lay the laptop on a cooler pad and plug it in...
ashen spindle
AMD laptops naturally are missing the function
?
tranquil idol
Thunderbolt is an Intel protocol... They never certified them. So many have USB ports but not thunderbolt. Any you see in the wild on AMD laptops and motherboards is more of a hack and not certified.
old marlin
USB 4 is a thing
tranquil idol
USb 4 though does bring it into the USB standard now
ashen spindle
thunderbolt got added tot he usb spec so amd laptops have it they just dont call it thunderbolt to not pay fees
tranquil idol
Till they actually bring the controllers to the laptops and motherboards they don't work
old marlin
I personally would not want to go back to maining a laptop mainly because of driver BS
desktop is just a lot less hassle
still did use a laptop as my main gaming device for like a year
longer even
without an egpu
was fine
tranquil idol
not everybody needs an external GPU
Comes down to what your using it for. Many users of laptops are office workers or small apartment livers.
old marlin
Comes down to what your using it for. Many users of laptops are office workers o...
yes and many users don't need a 4090
ashen spindle
Till they actually bring the controllers to the laptops and motherboards they do...
not sure what you mena, you can use a tb eGPU via usb4 on amd laptops
tranquil idol
? That wouldn't work well in an external capacity
tranquil idol
not sure what you mena, you can use a tb eGPU via usb4 on amd laptops
They are only on the latest generation, the last few have been a wash
old marlin
if I wasn't using a 1440p uw display at a high refresh rate the 2080 in my laptop would still be perfectly fine
old marlin
? That wouldn't work well in an external capacity
why not
tranquil idol
yes and many users don't need a 4090
External GPU would be limited to something like maybe a 4080 or 4070ti. There wouldn't be enough bandwidth for a 4090. But many people that use laptops use them as their main computer. It's more beneficial to use an egpu dock when at home.
old marlin
USB 4 is basically tb3 spec
old marlin
External GPU would be limited to something like maybe a 4080 or 4070ti. There wo...
how is it more beneficial
I just straight up plugged my display cable directly into my laptop
I COULD have used a dock
tranquil idol
If people are using the laptop in the capacity of needing a laptop, it's hard to justify spending more money on a whole second computer.
old marlin
for my model specifically the docks are cheap af
old marlin
If people are using the laptop in the capacity of needing a laptop, it's hard to...
it would also be hard to justify buying another "gaming grade" gpu
when they are like 1k+
tranquil idol
The majority are collage goers and city office workers.
It depends if you want your cake and eat it too.
old marlin
what
but you can get a potent gaming laptop
that you can also take to college or into office
tranquil idol
Not much power and your limited when your at home
old marlin
if you got enough money to spend on like a 4080 you prob have enough money to also buy a whole separate desktop
tranquil idol
Best to go with a power sipping internal gpu.
old marlin
esp with the amount you can save on your laptop
tranquil idol
Doesn't have to be a 4080... Only used it as an example since you threw out a 4090
vagrant pagoda
External GPU would be limited to something like maybe a 4080 or 4070ti. There wo...
Depends on the use case.
old marlin
yea but if you go lower in perf you can just get a mobile GPU that is comparably capable
vagrant pagoda
You can totally use computer over x4 3.0
crisp granite
esp with the amount you can save on your laptop
For laptop things, a 300€ Chromebook works fine for most, a MacBook Pro or beefier windows laptop for anyone else
tranquil idol
yea but if you go lower in perf you can just get a mobile GPU that is comparably...
Not really
crisp granite
Save the rest and put in a desktop for home gaming use
old marlin
Not really
I literally did in the past
crisp granite
Or just buy a steam deck if you want to play on the go
It’s shockingly competent and inexpensive
tranquil idol
Then you left a lot on the table
old marlin
Then you left a lot on the table
after bios fixes like 10-20% to a desktop 2080
the horror
tranquil idol
Steam deck is more or less a novelty tbh
crisp granite
could have "fixed" that with an egpu
Me when I absolutely need desktop class performance in a barely more portable system than an SFF pc and money is no object
tranquil idol
Or still be using a laptop with a 1060 and 1080 2080 3080 in an egpu enclosure.. Just upgrading the GPU is much more beneficial.
old marlin
as simple as that
you could get a perfectly serviceable coffeelake inspiron for like 300-400€
old marlin
instead of spending more on something you could plug your EGPU on
tranquil idol
That's like 1.5 to 3k every 2 years...
crisp granite
For a new laptop
tranquil idol
Replacing the laptop every year is dumb
crisp granite
Replacing the laptop every year is dumb
Especially when a macbook will last you five years if it lasts you a day
old marlin
hey, mine has just gone out of warranty
after 3 years
still works perfectly fine
the 2080 still is as powerful as it was on day one
if I really wanted to I could get alienwares egpu enclosure (cheaper than tb3 ones) and plug an egpu to it
I'd still have to deal with their driver bs
tranquil idol
Content keeps getting larger... It still has the power of a 2080 today thats the 4060
old marlin
so?
perfectly fine
you don't NEED totl
obv you could spend like 1k every 2 years
just to get a new totl gpu
tranquil idol
More like 600 to 800
tranquil idol
Vs 2 to 3 k for a laptop with the same GPU... Remembering the SKU are shifted down one and power limited
old marlin
latter is not true anymore but ok
tranquil idol
It is again
old marlin
on laptop TDP is more important than sku
tranquil idol
No your fighting the CPU at that point
old marlin
if you get a 3060 and a 3080 they will perform within 5% of each other if they are both limited to like 50W
tranquil idol
Or I can just have a desktop 3080.
tranquil idol
I'd rather take the laptop and use it as a laptop the egpu dock is for when I want to game lol
tranquil idol
So in summary laptops are crap, get a desktop.... got it
More or less lol
But people are limited in some situations.
Well alot are.
halcyon moss
lol, external gpus are so expensive its barely worth it.
tranquil idol
After you buy the enclosure you just upgrade the GPU in it
halcyon moss
how often do you upgrade?
tranquil idol
When the GPUs drop in price
halcyon moss
because that enclosure might also be out of date because of newer thunderbolt/usb4 versions
tranquil idol
TBH it's more than enough to push the 1080p screen I still use
It's lasted till my 3080 so ehh
halcyon moss
i have an amd laptop that could technically could egpu, i'd never even consider it because it is super pricy
tranquil idol
Still on a 7 year old laptop
Mobile wise the 1060 gtx laptop is amazing it's a 14 inch. Has good battery life ect...
It's definitely time to move up to a newer laptop though now looking at the AMD laptops and that juicy CPU
tranquil idol
Yeah that's the one I'm looking at
halcyon moss
and they are not even that expensive anymore, and the on board gpu is capable
tranquil idol
Yeah my only beef is the 32gb of ram is reserved to the ones with the 6800...
halcyon moss
there are apparently versions with 16gb soldered and an empty sodimm slot.
not sure which gpu that would have
ashen spindle
related: https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-engaging-in-semi-destructive-actions-against-amd-says-firm
tldr: intel using the fact they have in house fabs to shit out cpus at super low margin which hurts them hard to keep amd away
part of the reason why despite good options amd laptops are still so scarce
tranquil idol
Kinda thinking of the 2023 model when they start coming down in price that's always an option
halcyon moss
that'd be about a year from now
tranquil idol
Yeah I can wait a good little bit I'm not mobile right now will be in a little over a year time. If I do get summoned, I still got the egpu thing with a 3080 in it... But I'd like the 32gb of ram. The 2023 does also have the 4050rtx with the ram and the nice CPU
halcyon moss
up to 7940HS. which is zen 4. nice
tranquil idol
Yeah, think that would be my best move. I'd only want it for the CPU and memory
shadow minnow
tldr: intel using the fact they have in house fabs to shit out cpus at super low...
Well that is technically what we want as it may force amd to decrease prices
ashen spindle
no that is not what we want because leveraging market position in a self destructive way to shut down competition gives you temporary benefits and then you have a monopol back or two broken options that both suck
vagrant pagoda
related: https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-engaging-in-semi-destructive-ac...
Intel has been doing this for 30+ years
ashen spindle
mhhh yes and no
vagrant pagoda
Yes and yes
vagrant pagoda
Intel has always given oems steep discounts to the point of losses to hurt amds market share
The irony is AMD is in a better position to do it
ashen spindle
they arent though
vagrant pagoda
As they can use discarded server silicon to push cheap fesktops
Where Intels cheap options are standalone
old marlin
what
ashen spindle
amd is supply limited still so they cant shit out laptop chips to have them sit on shelfs when servers is more important
old marlin
are epyc dies the same as desktop dies now?
ashen spindle
aside from monolithic apus and such, yeah
some will have special IO dies for trento or so but otherwise it's the same for the CCDs
vagrant pagoda
That's what zen2 desktop was dual channel, TR was quad and epyc was 8.
old marlin
Always have been
no
vagrant pagoda
Zen 1 desktop wasnt
old marlin
epyc and TR dies were MUCH larger
vagrant pagoda
Yeah that's 4 dies
old marlin
the new ones use smaller ones
vagrant pagoda
The exact same dies as Ryzen 2x onward
vagrant pagoda
Yeah
old marlin
intel can push much lower prices
vagrant pagoda
But because it's the same silicon
They can take the shitty dies and my cut down desktop chips
Which is what they do
Even the X3D are epyc dies
But yeah epyc is up to 12 dies now.
It's crazy
old marlin
intel has more dies on server cpus lol
old marlin
ye
vagrant pagoda
Intel dosent mix
old marlin
desktop is still "fully monolithic"
vagrant pagoda
Except for hedt sometimes
old marlin
not sure if that is true in a traditional sense
since they don't talk about dies anymore
but tiles
since a tile can be multiple dies
old marlin
what is this then
ashen spindle
That is a failed bridge
vagrant pagoda
That isn't desktop lol
old marlin
or tiles inside your substrate
old marlin
That isn't desktop lol
neither is epyc
ashen spindle
PVC is more of a gpu though
vagrant pagoda
What's crazy is because of die srink the iGPU iodie on 7000 isn't any bigger
But the ccxs are smaller
ashen spindle
Tbf it’s a tiny iGPU
old marlin
It's infinitely more powerful than the old one
esp if you compare with non-g ones 
vagrant pagoda
esp if you compare with non-g ones <:dafoe:576929368698388480>
That's what I mean lol
Thus infinitely
ashen spindle
what is this then <:KEKW:709804361861169202>
also to answer your question it is the cursed competition that loses out to the more advanced yet less complex apu
old marlin
also to answer your question it is the cursed competition that loses out to the ...
you love to see it
ashen spindle
also next gen PVC is still omega cursed
old marlin
wait wtf
I just heard about the displacetv
that is just about the stupidest tv I have seen
3k USD TV
that sticks to a wall via vacuum
with a battery
ashen spindle
the wirless one
old marlin
because it is "fully wireless"
ashen spindle
yeah its weird
ashen spindle
huh
old marlin
yea if the battery is dead it just falls of the wall
ashen spindle
no I'm pretty sure the suction is not electrical lol
old marlin
cause it needs constant power to hold the vacuum
ashen spindle
no way
old marlin
they even call it an "active-loop vacuum technology"
ashen spindle
oh god
old marlin
batteries last a month with 6h a day usage
so uhhh
gotta make sure your batteries are always in good condition
otherwise you don't get to take longer vacations anymore
crimson wigeon
Yeah you make your butler do that
vagrant pagoda
Imagine getting sick or something and your tv just commits suicide while you're gone
XD trying to tell your parents how to feed cats and charge your tv
old marlin
Imagine getting sick or something and your tv just commits suicide while you're ...
yea
like
if you fell down and broke something
longer hospital stay or something
and you haven't swapped the battery in your TV this month already
- with a few years of age that runtime will go down
halcyon moss
like the wireless lg tv?
that still requires a power wire
but the video signal gets transmitted wirelessly
crimson wigeon
y tho
old marlin
better than just falling off the wall when a battery runs out
halcyon moss
true
vagrant pagoda
I mean the other LG have the base station with io and power
And one single flat cable to tv
That is the best
blissful holly
any leaks about x3d release date ?
still loom
any leaks about x3d release date ?
? Didn't AMD already announce the release dates for them
blissful holly
? Didn't AMD already announce the release dates for them
no last I heard they took down the announcement date
still loom
Weird
blissful holly
only thing im missing for my first rig
still loom
Some time in Feb I guess
blissful holly
Some time in Feb I guess
astral haven
iiinteresting
wheat plume
Does a computer detect a wireless controller that uses a USB Dongle as a wired controller?
final flame
no it detects the dongle
wheat plume
no it detects the dongle
so technically its a wired connection
final flame
technically yes
wheat plume
aha...
thick pine
But why would controllers for the same device have different drivers
wheat plume
youd need additional drivers for wireless to show battery levels and shit
crimson wigeon
But y would that matter when you just use xinput which always exposes the same kind of controller.. unless of course they use dinput for whatever reason
tight forge
only case you would need a special driver is for DS4 iirc, in order to use it with DS4-incapable games
and even then iirc steam has that integrated now too
reef patrol
I just realized I haven't charged my mouse in over a week. It's still at 50% battery.
tight forge
pog
reef patrol
My Corsair mouse couldn't handle a day, though admittedly it had static RGB LEDs set.
tight forge
What do you have now?
reef patrol
The superlight
reef patrol
It's a little TOO light, but apparently you can mod a larger battery into it, which I'll look at once warranty ends I guess. There's also a handy little lid I could probably superglue a small piece of metal to if I wanted.
tight forge
LMAO i felt the same way, I switched from a g305 with a AA battery to the super light
took me a while to get adjusted
But yeah you can probably add a bit of weight to the puck/magnet compartment
old marlin
It's a little TOO light, but apparently you can mod a larger battery into it, wh...
mansen fitting a smartphone battery into his mouse
astral haven
i still want passive mice
old marlin
wdym "passive"
astral haven
wacom tablet style except instead of being pen shaped, it would be mouse shaped
reef patrol
mansen fitting a smartphone battery into his mouse
It's pretty hollow, and apparently one of Logitech's other mice has the same battery connector but a larger physical battery. Seems like a win win, since I don't need it to be SUPERlight. 😄
astral haven
or it could have a mousepad on top of said sensor mat?
old marlin
It's pretty hollow, and apparently one of Logitech's other mice has the same bat...
you can literally use an 3.7V lipo
astral haven
that way you can use whatever mousepad you want like normal
old marlin
doesn't have to be logitech
old marlin
that way you can use whatever mousepad you want like normal
still tied to a size
pale sigil
I was considering upgrading my mouse battery
astral haven
still tied to a size
they can sell different sizes
reef patrol
you can literally use an 3.7V lipo
cba to solder, so the connector needs to match
pale sigil
But tbh I don't wanna deal with warranty void
old marlin
cba to solder, so the connector needs to match
ig
reef patrol
Besides it's company property. So I'll wait until it has no warranty - Or buy a second hand one to practice on first 😄
old marlin
you can prob get one with the same connector
it is pretty common
should be a jst 2.0 ph 2 pin
cold compass
its funny to read about people wanting to upsize their superlight battery when most ppl downsize for weight savings lol
reef patrol
its funny to read about people wanting to upsize their superlight battery when m...
Haha yeah - The Dark Core Pro I came from weighed a ton. So the superlight feels like cheap plastic in comparison. So I'd like to strike a golden middle point.
frozen ingot
tbh I probably wouldn't mind another 5-10g extra in batteries on my regular gpw either
cold compass
my superlight is ~62, and my g502 feels heavy as fuck at ~100. the dark core pro at ~133 would feel insanely heavy!
reef patrol
Yeah it's a tank.
cold compass
LITERALLY
serene marlin
I Love my super light, I cannot wait to get my Wooting 🥰
tight forge
just accept the agreement
wheat plume
many upgrades
outer monolith
Haha yeah - The Dark Core Pro I came from weighed a ton. So the superlight feels...
lol i remember going from my g402 which weighs like 110 - 120 grams and then tried my friends gpw and gpx and the weight difference is crazy
especially the weight balance in the gpx it felt lighter then my current mouse which is a pulsar x2 mini which weighs 52 grams
wheat plume
Curse you nintendo!!
ashen spindle
someone doesnt know how to just use -nintendo to clean most of that up
wheat plume
:')
pale sigil
most people dont know how to google properly
We learned in school
fair gull
bruh my school had 16mbit dsl for 2 computer rooms with 50 computers used at the same time
and it hosted its own website locally
cause we had the stereotypical old man with a beard and coffee stain on it as IT teacher
pale sigil
I meant in highschool but ok
reef patrol
Yes? You're a youngun
old marlin
bruh my school had 16mbit dsl for 2 computer rooms with 50 computers used at the...
my middle school got internet from a neighbor for multiple years
wheat plume
UwU
these things are real small, very nice
bruh
THE STAND COSTS DOUBLE THE PRICE
THE FUCKING MONITOR STAND
empty wren
$500 ain't bad for an apple desktop experience
reef patrol
sans monitor
astral haven
*sans monitor*
ive gotta admit tho that is a shockingly good price for a proper sff computer
astral haven
Waiting on my Wooting60He and pretty sure I just bricked my PC.
reset your bios
wheat plume
you want 16GB RAM, pay an extra 200 dollars
reef patrol
ive gotta admit tho that is a shockingly good price for a proper sff computer
If only it was modular 😄
wheat plume
you want 512GB..another 200
reef patrol
Can't even change SSDs on them.
astral haven
sure
but my grandma doesnt need that
and for that price of pc you dont get much better
still loom
you want 16GB RAM, pay an extra 200 dollars
Want 2TB SSD? $800
coral lynx
reset your bios
I tried all the ways I know how. And nothing. I was in my BIOS trying to enable secure boot so I can play Valorant and when I restarted my PC, nothing happens but the fans kicking on and off and stuff.
astral haven
only upgradeability which has its advantages
wheat plume
Want 2TB SSD? $800
yep
still loom
😂
wheat plume
you want a better CPU? 700 dollars
reef patrol
but my grandma doesnt need that
Bish she might in a few years, if she doesn't pay out her geriatric ass for Apple Care, and they decide to charge for another 500$ for a new one with no data recovery 😄
frozen ingot
if system and basic softwares fit you can throw the remainder of your data on a NAS
still loom
Need a 38 core GPU? Get the credit card out
astral haven
Bish she might in a few years, if she doesn't pay out her geriatric ass for Appl...
eh we have a time machine backup
still loom
$800 for a 2TB SSD that only does 3GB/s is daylight robbery
astral haven
Need a 38 core GPU? Get the credit card out
apple is pretty conservative with their gpu core counts
still loom
apple is pretty conservative with their gpu core counts
That's the new M2, 38 core GPU for $800 extra
still loom
Well it says 38 cores on their website xD
ashen spindle
gpu cores are not a useful metric really
astral haven
Well it says 38 cores on their website xD
yea but thats just apple being special
frozen ingot
wish I had the cross device synergy of todays fruit devices back when I dailyd my macbook pro
astral haven
you have to multiply by 128 to match the nvidia/amd numbers
~4.6k cores for the 38 core gpu
still loom
My one and only purchase of a Mac, never again 😂
astral haven
and I will never purchase a mac for myself
astral haven
but at work we need them to configure iphones because of course you do thanks apple
fair gull
My feelings about Macs ^
well tbf... the m2 mac mini for that price + a cheap small monitor... is a beast alone
as much as i like shitting on apple
still loom
No doubt, would be a smooth experience for sure
astral haven
^
still loom
A smooth experience but a limited experience
fair gull
like using my mbp with parallels.... ngl i can see me buying a mac mini for my parents or smth
it would just work
and even if they need windows apps
those also just work
still loom
Yeah that's fair, my parents would love it tbh
They only use the internet or maybe write a letter to print it for some strange reason
Old people love printers
fair gull
it obviously isnt a gaming beast but for anything like light to medium video/photoediting, programming and just general use its a heck of a deal
still loom
All in a thing the size of an Apple TV almost 😂
astral haven
my parents would like them if they didnt disagree with apple ethically,,,
pale sigil
Just get a nuc
frozen ingot
I got some good use out of my c2d mbp back in the day, osx is a nice user experience on a laptop
astral haven
most nucs are slower
the faster ones are alot more expensive
fair gull
still loom
Still horrific their extra charges though 😅 No reason for them to charge double for parts
astral haven
i refuse to buy a laptop without a touchscreen lel
still loom
Like the $800 for 2TB of Storage that runs at 3GB/s
Or the extra 8GB of RAM for $200
It's just... not nice
pale sigil
i refuse to buy a laptop without a touchscreen lel
I actually get this now
still loom
Regardless of how good they run
pale sigil
It's great
fair gull
tbf you can just get external stuff and from my experience with 8gb... cant complain
never hit any real limits in terms of ram
astral haven
yep especially with an internal ssd that you only store programs on
fair gull
like i literally could just plug in some tb4 DAS
and probably not worry about long term storage
astral haven
and itll be upgradeable and recoverable lel
fair gull
in general im impressed with what the arm chips apple has can do
and it seriously makes me wonder what PCs will be like in the future
ashen spindle
not arm based in this decade if you think about that
frozen ingot
trackpad gestures worked really well, first computer I used that didn't make me reach for a mouse first thing
fair gull
not arm based in this decade if you think about that
ya no not anytime soon but in general
astral haven
and it seriously makes me wonder what PCs will be like in the future
@pale sigil i think people are misattributing the success to arm
the biggest advantage is the dedicated accelerators
ashen spindle
yes
fair gull
i am looking forward to the day where the first arm platforms to replace the x86_64 ecosystem come out and how good they are
ashen spindle
excited for arm means you are excited for slower pcs at first
but in reality it doesnt matter
pale sigil
Ok I'm excited for arm to be good
astral haven
and arm will never be faster than x86
fair gull
didnt asrock or gigabyte have pure ARM server motherboards
astral haven
arm will just allow manufacturers to put on their own accelerators for their use
ashen spindle
Ok I'm excited for arm to be good
ok but why and what would you get from it
ashen spindle
not something that is inherently due to arm
fair gull
i mean i havent seen any other laptop be this performant and low power using
astral haven
see intels reference designs
pale sigil
I mean, I don't think anything seems to beat apples battery life ATM
ashen spindle
that is not due to arm
pale sigil
As a result of the M1 and M2 for example
ashen spindle
that is because apple pays about 10x more to tsmc than amd does
astral haven
m1 battery life on linux is godawful
pale sigil
Low power usage without being shit
pale sigil
Linux always lasted hours more for me
astral haven
yes but linux on m1 is broken
fair gull
yes cause its not even completed
pale sigil
No but I remember someone saying it was worse than Linux
astral haven
apple is fast because they dont do everything on the arm cores
pale sigil
Idk, I'm just looking forward to it.
ashen spindle
if apple had a x86 license and would drop anything they dont need, M1/2 could be the same on x86
pale sigil
Like I find it pretty damn awesome the iPad pro has an m2
Powerhouse of a tablet
Insane battery
ashen spindle
the product does good things, but attributing it to arm is just missing the point
pale sigil
I guess so
Either way I want more of what apple are doing without it being apple
Xd
astral haven
look at intel chromebook battery life
ashen spindle
and for anything if M3 is the same as m1-2 it's not a big jump at all
pale sigil
Ye... But it's a Chromebook
ashen spindle
if amd becomes bigger they can use the same nodes as apple or if intel stops shitting the bed they could have a better node
and then apple wont be ahead
pale sigil
ChromeOS is so bleh
astral haven
Ye... But it's a Chromebook
whats the difference between a mac and a chromebook besides price and ecosystem
pale sigil
I don't understand
ChromeOS is just meh
And more limited than OSX
And I can't stand OSX
crisp granite
whats the difference between a mac and a chromebook besides price and ecosystem
ChromeOS has better security and has Android and linux dev environments iirc
astral haven
its not more limited than osx tho
crisp granite
but macbooks always are better laptops, as far as the chassis go
astral haven
besides vms
pale sigil
Maybe I'll have to have a look into chromeos now
pale sigil
Ik
astral haven
(officially)
pale sigil
Or more specifically maybe I'll revisit it
But it used to be kinda bleh and not much going for it
Outside of very basic use
What was that android os
astral haven
🤷 same for literally every os
pale sigil
From yearssssss ago
pale sigil
🤷 same for literally every os
Yes but you were very restricted to supported stuff, everything was store based irrc
And modified apps
astral haven
and literally every web app
and now that they support all android apps its basically fine
pale sigil
Vscode?
astral haven
thats an ide
the only problem with chromeos is you have to be heavily intrenched in the google ecosystem since according to google they have parallels support now
now where have i heard this before 🤔
that would surprise me greatly
and thats just 1/1000 google products
i pay alot for my google products 🤷
actually no
i have separate accounts for my free and paid stuff cause business
well i cant afford a 250tb cloud storage server from anyone else
especially not with an unlimited traffic website with unlimited image hosting
along with a dozen other features that i use less than those
why?
yes?
does he provide free hosting on it or something?
yes but its not for my photos
i dont work for a storage company
i get consumer pricing
and googles pricing slaughters everyone elses pricing for storage at least
and they also provide another dozen features to go with it
and its an order of magnitude faster than my home internet connection regardless
aaaaaand ofc its offsite
the likelyhood of any of that data being lost is low
pale sigil
It just seems counter productive and frustrating.
Linux would be a better option
By far it seems
pale sigil
Ok it seems other distros are far better options
wheat plume
But chromeOS Flex has non of the benefits of chromeOS
Such as Android app support mainly
astral haven
no?
wheat plume
Yes
pale sigil
Also terrible for duel boot
Most results I saw on Google were bad comments too lol
Before I was looking Into it
astral haven
interesting
afaik that was an early limitation that doesnt apply any more, but i cant corroborate it
pale sigil
Omg lol
astral haven
as an it guy i can tell you i wish we were running chromebooks not windows
i wouldnt wish it on anyone, but it would basically solve my job
wheat plume
Yeah
I'm sure Chromebooks are a lot easier to bulk manage
ashen spindle
a locked down linux that makes linux useable for people sounds like a dream
astral haven
^^^
wheat plume
They are designed to be
Since they are mostly used at schools
astral haven
and google somehow managed to actually secure an upgradeable pc
they are not free
however they are as low as a quarter of the price of a normal pc
tho those are mostly amd e series garbage
pale sigil
a locked down linux that makes linux useable for people sounds like a dream
ElementaryOS
wheat plume
I really really want Pantheon desktop to work better outside of ElementaryOS
Because it's the prettiest desktop ever
ashen spindle
yes that's the closest I would see but still not useable for me
pale sigil
Even Ubuntu is pretty easy to use
wheat plume
Yeah
Gnome desktop is super easy
astral haven
neither elementary or ubuntu have proper deployment options
wheat plume
Except their shitty Bluetooth toggle that goes away when you turn it off
So you gotta go into system settings to turn bt back on
ashen spindle
I do use them and could use raw arch or whatever, but not in a state I want it to be so de facto not useable in my view
astral haven
i use android as my main desktop environment at the moment lel
wheat plume
Android PC port??
astral haven
dex is about as useable as a standard linux distro
no i plug my phone into a usb hub
astral haven
alright thats my bad i thought flex had added apps and vms at this point
wheat plume
Nu ;_;
astral haven
what
thats not what happens on pc
thats not 3-2 pulldown
as soon as you open a compatible player on a gsync laptop
mpchc can be configured to do that for example
ashen spindle
astral haven
adaptivesync is just more strict mediasync
shadow minnow
empty wren
Now a feature
astral haven
🤔 nice apple
shadow minnow
Basically the call home was absolutely empty
empty wren
see when you have a company keeping their lips tight on software this is what is possible
shadow minnow
Well it’s not like anything actually happens apart from an innocent bug in the end
empty wren
it depends
shadow minnow
it depends
Wdym?
empty wren
imagine if some non apple employee had an apple private email or memo
no it is not 100% common
just an example
shadow minnow
Yes but in this case it wasn’t anything bad, but yeah, other things can happen
astral haven
yea but how do we know that was what the bug was
shadow minnow
Well no matter what it was it was confirmed it was an empty call
astral haven
no we dont even have their word
they said nothing whatsoever
the point is not that they were sending data
the point is that they could have been, and who controls the toggle for that?
also they were in fact sending data
that data was the exact date and time of when you were browsing images on your computer
shadow minnow
Which is a very useful piece of data
astral haven
that should not have been sent...
empty wren
dontcha worry
in a few years when more people take it more serious
apple will admit it
empty wren
for now
but jokes aside
apple cannot really be trusted 100%
even if they have good intentions
shadow minnow
Well yeah no company can for sure
astral haven
some companies can
astral haven
yes
shadow minnow
You can 100% trust but it’s foolish
astral haven
for example netgate
frozen ingot
wooting delivers
astral haven
literally all of their hardware is near off the shelf, and their code is all open sourced
it requires zero faith to actually determine root trust
shadow minnow
I still wouldn’t say it’s good to 100% trust them.
And well their website already kinda breaks European laws from first sight by making rejecting cookies less visible
astral haven
afaik they dont have any gdpr applicable cookies?
shadow minnow
Even necessary cookies are mentioned under GDPR though different things apply
But like, I still would say you can’t 100% trust them overall. Maybe you can now, but they can get bought, become close source…
astral haven
yep
at which point its no longer possible to to trust them without faith
Same is true for other things tho
Faithless trust can only go as far as you can see
empty wren
For apple devices only bud
Picasso
Honestly why not just be upfront, they made whatever they were going to
snow mesa
can i ask here a view questions? its mainly about wootility while using the doublemovement software for fortnite. i read some stuff already with the search function, would do a post in support zone but i need a day to create one. :/
i already have disable in wootility the gamepad settings, but stuff like rapid trigger (set per key to make sure not interfiering with the movement ones) feels off. so does the actuation points.
ashen spindle
as you already said, that belongs in the support zone
not sure what you mean with need a day, you can just make a post there
marsh glade
Is there a permissions setting requiring being part of the server for 24 hours before making a post there?
reef patrol
Is there a permissions setting requiring being part of the server for 24 hours b...
That's definitely a thing Discord has. Lemme check.
reef patrol
can i ask here a view questions? its mainly about wootility while using the doub...
Could you take a screenshot of this? As far as I can tell we only have a 10min limit on this. 🙂
snow mesa
Could you take a screenshot of this? As far as I can tell we only have a 10min l...
yes , its sadly on german 😄 rough translation incoming. > to creat a post on this channel one day is required (<thats the red text)
reef patrol
yes , its sadly on german 😄 rough translation incoming. > to creat a post on th...
Thanks! I'll look into it 🙂
fair gull
no not a day, a tag as in ein Kennzeichen
reef patrol
Oh it's because you haven't selected at least one tag from the list? 😄
snow mesa
no not a day, a tag as in ein Kennzeichen
oh damn , so it was my bad
fair gull
yes Tag in german is Day but also the englisch Tag
just select one of the category tags below
the fitting one ofc
snow mesa
thanks alot @reef patrol & @fair gull
fair gull
👍
tropic nacelle
I didn't think it had a released name yet but the internal name is "grogu"
wheat plume
did google name their airtag equivalent product "g-spot"
Uhhhhh
I hope not :')
terse shoal
It's a joke
reef patrol
Any good price checking sites for EU in general? struggling to find any that aren't for a specific country. Doing some price checking on a monitor.
reef patrol
https://www.lg.com/dk/skaerme/lg-34gp950g-b
Looks like it's noticeably cheaper here in Denmark. Thanks.
wheat plume
A comment on a video about turning the Switch into a Steam Deck by installing Ubuntu on it cause the person who made the video thought that SteamOS on Deck was still based on Debian
reef patrol
One slow ass Steam Deck 😄
wheat plume
The snipping tool is getting the option to screen record a fixed area of the screen!
You can resize the area to cover the entire screen though
tropic nacelle
https://www.lg.com/dk/skaerme/lg-34gp950g-b
Looks like it's noticeably cheaper ...
You are considering that? That's a big departure from your Lenovo price point!
reef patrol
It's 2x yeah
But I get HDR600 (so still not amazing) closer to 1ms GTG (I think mine's 4? and actual G-Sync.
Still mentally debating of course - Been casually browsing Rtings back and forth while I wait for Lenovo and the seller to finalize the refund.
Still need to find out if the seller wants me to ship back the monitor or if I just keep it (and get the refund)
tropic nacelle
Dare I say consider the AW34DW at that point, at least in the UK that LG monitor was always nearer £1k so was pretty close to same price.
old marlin
still a pricegap of like 300€ between the two in germany
actually
150
DWF is a thing
you loose "actual" g-sync
reef patrol
Dare I say consider the AW34DW at that point, at least in the UK that LG monitor...
Costs three times as much as my current one, 33% more than the one I linked 😄
400vs800vs1200
tropic nacelle
Don't believe the marketing numbers, use rtings or hardware unboxed for those as you mentioned. Things like GTG is like 4+ on the LG, your Lenovo is no doubt a bit worse though.
The LG is one of the best IPS ultrawide but HDR is trash still, wouldn't buy it for HDR as it has too poor contrast ratio to really shine and local dimming zones are low.
Obviously big pro is zero risk of burn in and no green text fringing (though this is minimal and a lot don't even notice, it's definitely not a thing in games).
old marlin
zero risk of burn in
tropic nacelle
No read again, did I write it wrong?
tropic nacelle
Well it's a minimal chance, it's a greater chance on OLED but it is still significantly low to occur and has 3 year warranty that covers that
reef patrol
Well it's a minimal chance, it's a greater chance on OLED but it is still signif...
Definitely not touching O-Led as I liked to keep my monitors for much longer 😄
tropic nacelle
Normally dell has some discount vouchers or get the F variant can be cheaper. It's been £900 on ours locally recently for the DW!
tropic nacelle
Definitely not touching O-Led as I liked to keep my monitors for much longer 😄
Fair enough, different use case it's fine. QD-OLED should still last many years anyway.
Don't think there are much more IPS varients that are worth a look really, LG maxed that out at a premium
reef patrol
Yeah I basically either go IPS now for a 2x markup, or get a near identical monitor to mine sans issue and wait out HDR becoming more of a mainstay at my pricepoint I guess 😄
tropic nacelle
Yeah I was in this situation last year!
I got a hp x34 but I realised it wasn't good for me being flat at that size.
The only one I wanted after that was I believe the next model down from yours but was £600 or more, I got fed up as I didn't want IPS anymore and managed to get some stacked discounts on the Alienware so said screw it and grabbed it haha
ashen spindle
Save up an get hdr when it’s at your pricepoint and don’t get some weird hdr600 middle ground
Not worth it imo
reef patrol
Yeah you're probably right - Might as well spend 0 now and wait it out. I'll probably want a new GPU/CPU at some point as well, which also aren't cheap 😄
tropic nacelle
Local dimming has added latency as well, even with many zones you still compromise performance for HDR
fair gull
i thought samsungs g9 series had one for around 1grand with hdr1000
pale sigil
Yeah I was in this situation last year!
I got a hp x34 but I realised it wasn't ...
I'm glad I returned it tbh
ashen spindle
yeah but if 800 is 2x his original budget that is above it too
pale sigil
So much weight off me
pale sigil
Yeah you're probably right - Might as well spend 0 now and wait it out. I'll pro...
You have a 3080....
reef patrol
You have a 3080....
On ultrawide 1440, yes. That is not a small resolution 😄
fair gull
i mean ive been toying with saving up for a nice g9
pale sigil
On ultrawide 1440, yes. That is not a small resolution 😄
Was fine for me tbh
reef patrol
I have plenty of games that are lucky to sit at 90fps fairly stable.
reef patrol
2077, FF14 et cetera. Of course depends on settings and situation.
pale sigil
I'll admit I didn't do the biggest test
Ready or not
Fortnite
Destiny 2
Sea of thieves
Spiderman
Jedi fallen order
Swtor
Some other things but I forgot
ashen spindle
you definitely didnt use the new fornite lumen update at good settings if you get ok framerates
pale sigil
I mean I just disable lumen lightning
ashen spindle
sea of thieves came out for the xbox one and had to run stable there xD
still loom
A person buying a 3080 2 years ago doesn't want to disable anything 😂
They aren't at that stage yey
Yet
old marlin
@reef patrol what gpu do you use?
ashen spindle
he has a 3080
still loom
For a 1440p ultrawide if you want ultra settings in every game yes it's a little weak
ashen spindle
given my 4090 struggles when I use medium/low rt in control at 1440p UW, yes xD
old marlin
5600X and a 3080*
got a 5600x and a 3080ti
I usually hover around 120fps
depending on title obv
still loom
given my 4090 struggles when I use medium/low rt in control at 1440p UW, yes xD
Eh probably more of a CPU thing than anything
ashen spindle
nope
pale sigil
sea of thieves came out for the xbox one and had to run stable there xD
Hey man that shit looks 100x better on pc
still loom
You'd be surprised at how much CPU like limits RT in some cases
pale sigil
I don't want ultra - I want to get closer to that 120FPS stable 😄
Same
old marlin
I considered getting one tbh
ashen spindle
Hey man that shit looks 100x better on pc
I know I played the game, just saying they had a much lower baseline to run on so its not the same as a modern game
yes, mentioned multiple times I got one via work
pale sigil
That's why I reduced the odd thing if needed, which I guess isn't always desirable to most.
old marlin
UW 1440p kinda needs one if you want to run at the fps that the monitor can make good use of
pale sigil
yes, mentioned multiple times I got one via work
I'm truly disappointed in you.
ashen spindle
?
old marlin
how dare you manage to get a singular quick gpu
ashen spindle
want me to say no when I get it basically for free as long as I'm with my company?
pale sigil
Define basically free.
ashen spindle
I dont own it but dont have to pay for it
ashen spindle
anyway, I am aware RT can be cpu limited since it puts load on the cpu for non accelerated work for a frame but not the limiting case for me
ff also drops hard but that is just mmo/network/cpu more than gpu
but thats just when I need to go through Limsa and not during fights
reef patrol
Reducing effects from other players helps a ton though - And makes boss fights somewhat possible to play xD
ashen spindle
or if I feel like enabling the effects during the 48man raid, then it also tanks lmfao
I should do that and see the chaos next run lmfao
reef patrol
I disabled anything that wasn't coming from me so early. Otherwise you'd get blinded in the community raids every single fight 😄
pale sigil
Unrelated but when I moved from I5 to I7 for bdo it was beautiful during sieges
FPS was like beautiful and I didn't have to run super low.
ashen spindle
oh its fine during any 4/8/24man content xD
but the one 48man has a lot going on xD
pale sigil
Ah ye no
ashen spindle
but definitely still cpu bound
pale sigil
If was like 60 or so people
Maybe more.
Doing their attacks
It was hell
Siege is basically the entire server fighting to own a region.
With loads of re enforcements like lotr style elephants etc
So it was taxing on the CPU
ashen spindle
with how much the x3d helped a friend in getting masssive fps increase in gta online I am really curious how well zen4x3d will do for it
not going to upgrade since its fine but good to know for the future
wheat plume
...this could haver been a far FAR FAR worse hack than it was.....wow
pale sigil
Tltr?
wheat plume
the no fly list hack
reef patrol
Cute uwu furry hacked no fly list, OwO
reef patrol
I'm afraid the US government often has different opinions on that stuff, even if it's an open barn door.
wheat plume
yeh...
reef patrol
Which is why a lot of state sites have big fat warnings on public facing links with "you're not supposed to be here? don't log in - We will consider it a crime"
wheat plume
"THHIS EVIL AND MALICIOUS HACKER BROKE THOUGH SEVERAL OF OUR TOP SECRET HIGHLY FORTIFIED SERVERS AND PROTECTIONS"
ashen spindle
two simple things when you do/notice that, you instantly call a lawyer, let them know of it and stop digging deeper what you can find and then somehow resolve it
vagrant pagoda
with how much the x3d helped a friend in getting masssive fps increase in gta on...
In spaghetti code stuff x3d is nutz
Modded RimWorld over doubled tps
Vs a 5600x!
reef patrol
two simple things when you do/notice that, you instantly call a lawyer, let them...
Yep - That's what the good guys scanning Shodan do. I remember an American hacker getting called up by the US state after pointing out a French plant was open.
vagrant pagoda
Fat pipe gets more work done 😛
reef patrol
In spaghetti code stuff x3d is nutz
STAPH - Don't tempt me. That is exactly why I want a X3D CPU instead of my 5600X xD
vagrant pagoda
Yeah RimWorld, Factorio and DF had massive impacts
Sadly Skyrim wasn't that much
Think because most of the mods don't repeat the same thing so it can't cache
I also like that it doesn't use a ton of power
I think I'm going to swap the P1 for just a cheapo dual tower and see if it can still go fanless
vagrant pagoda
STAPH - Don't tempt me. That is exactly why I want a X3D CPU instead of my 5600X...
I mean if you are gonna keep ddr4 for a bit
I would get it
I already had good ram and board so that helps
I need to get a better SSD because I bet that would help too
ashen spindle
Well intel slaughters zen in the standalone FF benchmark but that obviously lacks the network/other player parts
vagrant pagoda
It's only fast with spaghetti code
So the better optimized the game, the more meh x3d gets
reef patrol
Factorio is super optimized yet gains plenty of performance?
So I don't think that quite checks out 😄
ashen spindle
perhaps ff is solid and just network code is lots of pasta, hard to say
so I'm excited to look at numbers once its out
does seem to quite like frequency, but that does make sense for the standalone part
old marlin
just buy the R9 x3d
so you get the best of both worlds
(or possibly a horrible core handlingsituation who knows)
ashen spindle
I mean, if it doesnt do much intel might still be the go to for this one
old marlin
prob
I am considering just swapping out my 5600x for a cheap 5800x3d
and then waiting for next gen
gusty kiln
Dewit
ashen spindle
but getting any multiplayer data is hard from any reliable source
old marlin
prob more worth than upgrading to 7000x3d
ashen spindle
value wise, definitely
old marlin
but getting any multiplayer data is hard from any reliable source
I wonder why
vagrant pagoda
Factorio is super optimized yet gains plenty of performance?
It isn't optimized lol
ashen spindle
I know why, doesn't change that I still would like to know the numbers lol
reef patrol
It isn't optimized lol
Bullshit.
vagrant pagoda
just buy the R9 x3d <:dafoe:576929368698388480>
Won't boost high
old marlin
Won't boost high
half of the cores will
vagrant pagoda
Maybe
old marlin
no like
gusty kiln
prob more worth than upgrading to 7000x3d
Unless you're this guy
vagrant pagoda
Also the 7700 is the fastest
vagrant pagoda
it has 2 CCXes
We have no idea if it will boost as high as non x3d
ashen spindle
??? I once again regret having taken a look at youtube comments
vagrant pagoda
Where is the bench's?
gusty kiln
The X700X sku actually having a place is weird this generation
old marlin
Where is the bench's?
you said we don't know how high it bossts
we do know
handling the 2 different CCxes will be the hard part
since neither of them is straight up "better"
vagrant pagoda
It could still boost lower than a non x3d
vagrant pagoda
wont be that hard
It will
old marlin
It could still boost lower than a non x3d
dude
it is literally on their website
both boost to 5.7
vagrant pagoda
Know what threads benefit from cache
gusty kiln
"Up to"
vagrant pagoda
it is literally on their website
Ah yes. AMD has never exaggerated boost clocks before
gusty kiln
Amd has failed to deliver clock speeds before
old marlin
but your handler has to decide which of the two CCXes is better for a task
old marlin
Ah yes. AMD has never exaggerated boost clocks before
ah yes
AMD makes them able to very briefly reach 5.7ghz
vagrant pagoda
We don't KNOW what it will run at
vagrant pagoda
You have no idea what it will actually run like
old marlin
let's just ALWAYS assume the worst
you probably will never get the cpu
but instead amazon will send you a pebble
vagrant pagoda
Worst case is it runs like an x3d all the time
old marlin
You have no idea what it will actually run like
it's literally the same CCX
and it was confirmed that they run at different speeds already
vagrant pagoda
I mean 7700x and 7950x are the same ccx, why is one faster?
7950 has higher boost clocks
So why does the 7700x run faster than the 7600x and 7950x?
Same silicon
7950x has higher boost.
gusty kiln
All this debate just boils down to, get the 7800x3d
vagrant pagoda
Or wait for a 7950x3dx
ashen spindle
bait for wenchmarks
gusty kiln
7800x3d is just the safer choice
vagrant pagoda
Or the xXX_7420_xXx pussy destroyer edition
gusty kiln
If you want that new new
gusty kiln
Or the xXX_7420_xXx pussy destroyer edition
Isn't that actually what thier mobile chip is labeled?
Oh nvm, it's 7045
vagrant pagoda
Isn't that actually what thier mobile chip is labeled?
The mobile one is called the hot coffee
Cuz it burns your genitals
ashen spindle
now what I'm wondering, the current FFXIV ultimate boss is getting worlds first groups stuck at Hello World, Patch and Blue Screen, is that game talk or tech talk content now
gusty kiln
vagrant pagoda
Lol
ashen spindle
@reef patrol please decide, if you battle a supercomputer that wipes you at blue screen, which channel do I post it to
gusty kiln
Seeing a lot of rumblings about rx6000 gpus not getting any recent driver updates
gusty kiln
Not getting a driver update for the game that got bundled with it
vagrant pagoda
Amds driver team is like one poor overworked Taiwanese
gusty kiln
vagrant pagoda
They have a hard enough time keeping up with current gen
ashen spindle
it makes sense since most changes were just for the new cards
ashen spindle
but they also had marketing slides making fun of nvidia/intel for not having the same drivers for all cards so...
gusty kiln
Basically no driver updates for forspoken
vagrant pagoda
I'm imagining the AMD driver team is like the guy that checks the oil and water world
vagrant pagoda
Dr Sue just opens up a hatch and drops an egg roll down there and says we have a new graphics card coming out hurry up
ashen spindle
it probably is, but they should have the resources to put more people on it by now
even if radeon gets a lot less than cpu division
gusty kiln
I hope we are in the middle of a lag situation for all the people they hired
ashen spindle
yea
vagrant pagoda
it probably is, but they should have the resources to put more people on it by n...
All the good driver people for gpus are on the server side
gusty kiln
Takes a while for new hires to actually make an impact
ashen spindle
oh yeah good point
vagrant pagoda
And mobile
gusty kiln
And mobile
Biggest market share opportunity
vagrant pagoda
Because consoles are basically fat laptops
gusty kiln
Inb4 future consoles can use external gpu
vagrant pagoda
Remember Xbox still runs windows so similar drivers
frozen ingot
if they haven't learned their lesson after nearly 2 decades in the market, will they ever
vagrant pagoda
But long time between updates on those
vagrant pagoda
if they haven't learned their lesson after nearly 2 decades in the market, will ...
You mean the fact that they have 2/3s of the console market for 3 generations