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#๐โtech
empty wren
Okay but that pump sound?
Already annoyed by fishtank bubbling
Also is it smarter to do two pumps, like one for one component and another for another just trying to minimize distances for some items
Also probably cuz one component will be underneath the enclosure
vagrant pagoda
two pumps is pointless
mild dome
I presume ensuring the pump can run as slow as possible would be best for lower noise. Also making sure no air is trapped inside
That would mean striking a balance between radiators for remocing heat, and keeping the circuit short and simple to reduce back pressure.
Hand pump to reduce noise
What cpu ya cooling?
Supposedly ice giant is making a copper cpu cooler, which might be just as good as a water cooler, and it does not need a pump!
empty wren
What cpu ya cooling?
3d printer
Hotend and motors
And motors will be beneath the bottom panel
Yep
And that block you see is not the final one
There will be another one later I switch to
Since the plastic pusher is also basically all aluminium
That will be the new heatblock
mild dome
This looks like a hueg 3d printer
What you printing? Furniture?
empty wren
Sorry ignore the hands
Here the plastic pusher for scale
Here is the actual machine and you see the motors on the bottom
empty wren
This looks like a hueg 3d printer
What you printing? Furniture?
On some of them you can but it would be sucky chair
empty wren
Lol
Sorry yeah the red circled screenshot was a plastic model of it
The new cooling block does not exist yet
tight forge
the frame is really only to keep thermal paste off the pcb 
vagrant pagoda
Even with quad gpus and 4 rads a single d5 is enough
vagrant pagoda
https://youtube.com/shorts/lAy3umbr81s?feature=share
I mean XOC peeps have been putting grease in sockets since the first sub ambient cooking
Most thermal paste is grease and ceramics
reef patrol
You have a second pump as a backup, redundancy.
One dies, the one one keeps trucking and you can get it replaced without being PC-less for a while.
terse shoal
for cheap? 7hz Zero
options can be pretty overwhelming so id say watch some youtube reviews
tier lists
ashen spindle
shadow minnow
What do you all think from the new arduino pro
gusty kiln
https://twitter.com/aschilling/status/1617826296717017095
Interesting
tranquil idol
Even with quad gpus and 4 rads a single d5 is enough
It's not really how big or how much stuff you have it's about how many watts you need to move from one location to another. Hydro wise you could even say a ddc pump would be enough to more water through the largest of loops but the idea is to transfer heat from one location to another. Higher wattage components need more flow. Flow and head pressure are two different elements in water cooling. Many get them confused
tranquil idol
https://twitter.com/aschilling/status/1617826296717017095
The annoying part is they could unlock PBO at any time for the 5800x3d... Some people on older boards have had their PBO setting cross over to the 5800x3d when swapping the CPU... Lucky....
vagrant pagoda
It's not really how big or how much stuff you have it's about how many watts you...
Heat moved is more rad space, not more pump.
D5 is over kill for any desktop pc
Until you get into 6/7 GPU multi CPU systems it is more than enough
tranquil idol
Rad space is removing heat energy from the loop. I'm just referring to transferring heat around in regards to the pump
vagrant pagoda
I've ran 1200w systems on a single d5 pwm and never ran it more than 75%
And it was within 5-10c of ambient for water themps
I've also built systems with 6 rads and single d5
tranquil idol
It honestly depends on what components your running and what temperature you want them to run at. To get closer to ambient you want more flow. Head pressure from the pump determines how much stuff is in the loop.
vagrant pagoda
I ran my chiller setup with a single d5
vagrant pagoda
It honestly depends on what components your running and what temperature you wan...
That's not true, you can look any any number of pump tests
Modern blocks don't need that much pum0
Old high restriction stuff did
tranquil idol
It is very true... More jet plates your running restricts flow.
vagrant pagoda
Nothing like stuff from early 2000s lol
tranquil idol
Naturally, that stuff was cancer still have my old dangerden blocks somewhere lol
vagrant pagoda
That's the only reason ddc pumps even became popular is you needed 2 of them to push 2 swiftech GPU blocks lmao
My last wc setup had an aquero and targeted 1.2 l/m
Ran 1200w if heat though it
With just 3x140 and 2x140
tranquil idol
But yeah just need to make sure there is enough head pressure for the components you have and that there is enough flow to move the heat from one location to another. That honestly it, in reguards to needing more na they just look, these days. Anyway though a 4090 gets close to saturating a cooling loop fairly quickly
tranquil idol
Well it also depends on how much flow there is. For water temps
vagrant pagoda
Because you can only run one
tranquil idol
100watts of heat with a flow rate of 1lph is going to be a different measurement in reguards to 10lph since your flowing 10x the water. Water temp is a very bad way to measure loop efficiency.
Anyway I got to get back to work. Ttyl
vagrant pagoda
I really suggest you go look at pc wc benchmarks
Martins liquid lab has an excellent article on it
tranquil idol
I do but I also run datacenters with them. I have my own data alot of the information out there isn't accurate by a large margin. But home and consumer PCs are so small and deal with so little heat it honestly doesn't matter any pump is more than enough for most applications.
But I'll ttyl
vagrant pagoda
Martin is
Literally some the best and most scientific test ever done on pc water cooling gear, and the reason we don't have high restriction blocks anymore
And it's just science, it's diminishing returns after around 1gpm. Combined with the fact that the block will get closer and closer to the loop temperature means it matters even less.
Once water is with 5 or c of room temp, there isnt much more flow is going to do.
gusty kiln
Wonder if it is more tuned for rap/hiphop
still loom
Japan..... as high tech as they are.... seem to love older tech ๐
They still use minidiscs and floppy disks in Japan ๐
crimson wigeon
Or maybe it also works as a powerbank?
final flame
They still use minidiscs and floppy disks in Japan ๐
... there's still valid reasons why to use old tech, it's not a matter of how high tech they are
wheat plume
Or maybe it also works as a powerbank?
That's what I'm thinking
But it doesn't say so on the Amazon page
But Amazon pages aren't always descriptive enough
still loom
... there's still valid reasons why to use old tech, it's not a matter of how hi...
I mean if you have a valid enough reason to use a minidisc player to listen to music then sure
I just mean that Japan was a country that pushed new tech in decades ago but now they seem to hold on to older tech ๐
wheat plume
> Input: 5 V/1 A, USB-C / Output: 5 USB-A
Charges via USB C at 5w
Outputs at 5w over USB A
So I guess it could be a really really slow and low capacity power bank?
final flame
I just mean that Japan was a country that pushed new tech in decades ago but now...
so what about the states bringing in the popularity of vinyl back how does the country change that
pale sigil
Sick of having low battery all the time ๐ญ I miss the days where my iPad would last 2 days or so.
final flame
it's not the general populace that is using these older formats, it's the audiophiles respective to each country
still loom
Well the difference there is vinyl is a timeless tech ๐
Whereas minidisc is using the same digital tech just in a different size format
Or these days no size because you have it stored on a device
Vinyl has always been popular
It never went out of popularity
final flame
you're just generally saying this is a "Japanese" thing
and yes vinyl went out of popularity
pale sigil
Why is there a USB A port???
Seen the same shit with paid reviews
pale sigil
It'll be USB C
final flame
what happened to all of the thousands of record stores that went out of business then
pale sigil
Don't Japan in general reuse tech
still loom
That's mainstream yeah
But in general vinyl has been used in popular culture hrough our entire lives
You can't mix the same using CDJs than using Vinyl
You can't scratch the same
pale sigil
Seen the same shit with paid reviews
Looks like generic stuff tbh
final flame
that's in a professional setting, I'm talking about the main consumer setting
still loom
I mean my favourite electronic DJ mixes 4 vinyls at the same time
And he's been doing it for 20-30 years
And he's massive xD
final flame
I mean why is that such a surprise to y'all it's been done so many times before
tropic nacelle
Omg hahahaha they are fucking vtuber earbuds
The ewaste earbuds that "influencers" keep peddling?
tropic nacelle
Wait vtubers is virtual YouTubers ,what are these streams???
ashen spindle
please, as if anyone of any size does actually handle their own merch and would look for quality on something cheap like earbuds
pale sigil
The ewaste earbuds that "influencers" keep peddling?
Ye
pale sigil
So they probably sound pretty damn good
No lol
final flame
She's a musician though xf
nah they're just another rebrand of another tw
wheat plume
Mori is also an artist
She makes songs and animation
ashen spindle
is it even official merch?
wheat plume
Xf
pale sigil
That's how trash like this gets made
pale sigil
is it even official merch?
It's a "Collab"
wheat plume
is it even official merch?
She did the voice lines for them
pale sigil
Aka they paid for voice lines
vagrant pagoda
Omg
ashen spindle
so her agency probably got a deal and she did some lines, thats about it
pale sigil
And she doesn't get a say in anything or probably cares
vagrant pagoda
That's such trash
final flame
I'm telling you this is a common thing
https://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2022/12/15/made-in-abyss-gets-pair-of-bluetooth-earbuds-with-bondrewd-twist
pale sigil
Just saw them on eBay for ยฃ200 
pale sigil
@wheat plume prob selling pre order/importing it
still loom
Scalpers are ahead of the game ๐
tropic nacelle
It's why you can't trust endorsed products on face value.
Imagine seeing a footballer with X Shoes, it doesn't mean they are good when you are paid millions to wear a shoe.
If it's uncomfortable or bad you would still wear it just for the money at a slight inconvenience
pale sigil
I'm telling you this is a common thing
https://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/20...
Didn't say it was common, just saying it's nasty.
They are all over eBay
ashen spindle
it's the same as some esports branded headphones like the Fatal1ty brand creative has, done deal, says nothing about quality and its not even fan merch so probably not even a massive deal for the person and not as much of a support as if you buy fan merch directky
aka just the usual marketing
still loom
I don't know what these collabs are but they look fake ๐
pale sigil
They are real
still loom
The quality of that packaging is horrible
But yes they are exactly the same buds as the ones posted before, albeit a different image on the outside of the ear
fossil orchid
just logitech things
pale sigil
Why is it most devices can't seem to come with decent audio like Apple, my first gen iPad Pro still outperforms decent laptops/tablets/phones
I hate saying this about apple but damn come on
gusty kiln
Kek, and all the laptops with audiophiles brand collab trademarks still loses to a manbook pro
reef patrol
Apple have historically spent more on DACs than most companies.
Even if they have downgraded things in recent times.
old marlin
also decent speakers
in their laptops
hardware wise macbooks have been SOLID for a while
gusty kiln
At least for desktop, most people opt for external devices by now
and dongle dacs are extremely popular for mobile devices
Still suck to need to spend extra
empty wren
Why is it most devices can't seem to come with decent audio like Apple, my first...
As far a phones go that list goes low every year, and I think for laptops xps. Not many phone have headphone jacks and in top that tuned dacs.
Tablets basically do not exist, apple basically owns 92% if not more of the market
gusty kiln
Samsung tablets look nice
empty wren
They do and dex also helps
gusty kiln
Man I remember when the nexus 7 came out
empty wren
That was an eon ago
empty wren
I remember wanting a shield portable at one point
gusty kiln
Was that the one with the controller attached?
empty wren
Yep
gusty kiln
Ah the proto steam deck
empty wren
and dongle dacs are extremely popular for mobile devices
In some cases dac can be built into headphones
gusty kiln
Well yeah, all anc headphones do
empty wren
I think Asus stick sabre quad dacs in theirs
empty wren
Asus had one too last generation
gusty kiln
It's a shame htc fumbled so hard after the one m8
gusty kiln
Thier phones after the m8 weren't bad, but they definitely lost their identity
empty wren
I mean they still innovated
gusty kiln
Looked like every other phone
empty wren
On u ultra had sapohire
Real sapphire in the front
And another one had fully squeezable sides which meant no need for auto rotation at all
gusty kiln
And another one had fully squeezable sides which meant no need for auto rotation...
I remember that on the pixels for a bit
empty wren
I remember that on the pixels for a bit
Yeah but that only for assistant
Now everybody is all.about back double tap with gyroscope
But that is way to sensitive
Needs a slider
empty wren
I remember that on the pixels for a bit
Pixel 2-Pixel 4
gusty kiln
Man I want a new dac amp, my e10k is almost 8 years old now
thick pine
Anyone know of a good light that can double as a light for videochat and a desk lamp?
empty wren
Yeah you know that street lamp outside... Hook a chain to it from your pickup to pull it out
tight forge
g hub won't open
if you're just trying to change dpi or buttons you can use the logitech onboard memory manager, portable software that writes to the mouse
dont think it shows battery but i just use the indicator led on my mouse for that
misty saffron
if you're just trying to change dpi or buttons you can use the logitech onboard ...
oh nice, thanks
tight forge
yeah its a lot better than LGS or G hub
you can't auto switch profiles obv bc its writing to the mouse but
its fast enough to do it yourself
tight forge
ye OMM will work for you then
misty saffron
superlight doesn't exactly have rgb lighting either so
reef patrol
Well that's concerning. Every time I download a 5-6GB file directly in Chrome, the entire browser begins lagging and going unresponsive.
empty wren
Stop downling duck porn torrent manse
gusty kiln
What about alternative downloading?
empty wren
Anyways try downloading a different browser chrome sucks these days
reef patrol
Anyways try downloading a different browser chrome sucks these days
Too many things tied to Gmail these days, I'm afraid.
And no - It's just chrome with really big files. Guess one of my addons are somehow interfering causing lag from constant scans or something.
empty wren
Gmail does not mean much
ashen spindle
defender acting up maybe? does anything spike in task manager when downloading?
reef patrol
defender acting up maybe? does anything spike in task manager when downloading?
I'd have to do some testing somewhere that I can download a 6GB file reliably over and over. It appears to be just chrome going into unresponsive (I can have a YT video running just fine, but I cannot touch anything or it goes idle), Discord and everything else keeps running.
ashen spindle
find some ultra HD picture with PS layers and its easily 10gb
tight forge
Too many things tied to Gmail these days, I'm afraid.
And no - It's just chrome ...
You can use jdownloader, external download manager, open source
https://jdownloader.org/home/index
Pretty sleek
reef patrol
Oh I'm sure I can - I don't want to. I can normally download huge files with no issues.
vagrant pagoda
Well that's concerning. Every time I download a 5-6GB file directly in Chrome, t...
Disable download caching
But also +1 for jdownloader
gusty kiln
What does the j stand for
reef patrol
Disable download caching
Google has no idea what that is ๐
vagrant pagoda
What does the j stand for
Idk it's the name of the program
reef patrol
Java? Wouldn't be surprised.
vagrant pagoda
I don't know if Chrome actually has the option I do know it does cash downloads
It was one of the reasons I moved to Firefox
naive portal
Does anyone own a 5800 X3D?
naive portal
omg need help
cinder tartan
same
naive portal
so my Timespy score on the X3D is lower than my standard 5800X score
it's also effecting the GPU because the 4090 should be around 38k and its currently on 30k
can you guys shed some light on what your bios config looks like?>
I have DOHCP on for the RAM and currently the budget board doesnt support precision boost but I doubt that's the issue
gusty kiln
What board are you using?
naive portal
its a stupid strix b550 gaming wifi ii
because I blew up my corsshair viii formula and its gone for RMA
this cpu is air cooled with a bog standard fan for now, not bother watercooling until my crosshair comes back
but even then the 5800X gets 12k on timespy minimum
gusty kiln
5800x3d should only be like 5% slower due to clock speed
Seems like something is choking it
naive portal
yeah so something is not configured right need help with that ๐ฆ
nope standard 5800x
no oc on anything yet
gusty kiln
I guess check how much power the cpu is drawing in a benchmark like cinebench
naive portal
I only bought the 3DX because @still loom the c**t said its better now now im stuck with a worse score ๐
got it, i'll run a cinebench and post
cinder tartan
its pretty good for gaming, gotta give him that haha
ashen spindle
it will be better in games, despite a lower score there
reef patrol
I bet it's a difference in PBO settings that does it primarily.
naive portal
well I can't really tell because im on a 4090 ... all games are better just the score im worried about
which PBO settings?
reef patrol
Well the lack of PBO mostly ๐
naive portal
lol yes thats what I was trhinking too but 3k difference?
reef patrol
Your board might be running fully stock with no proper boosting.
ashen spindle
look at games and not benchmarks
naive portal
and the fact that its probably causing the gpu to be 8k off its score too
reef patrol
The lack of PBO might mean no overclocking ๐
ashen spindle
wont help you if you get a higher score here and then in games it crashes because you ocd the x3d
naive portal
yah there's definitely no PBO on this board, tried to look everywhere
ashen spindle
yes 5800x3d parts have pbo disabled for
naive portal
wait I thought thats a board limitation??
ashen spindle
score for that will be lower in syntehtics like 3dmark
naive portal
basic board
ashen spindle
no thats a v cache limitation for zen3
naive portal
wtfff so no PBO if i put this in the crosshair too ๐ฎ
@still loom you mug!
i hate you
ashen spindle
if you want to use pbo and have a higher risk of breaking, go ahead
why do you want to pbo it anyway
cinder tartan
I have PBO 2 tuner which lets me uv my x3d.
naive portal
valorant, apex, aoe, all the new AAA titles that keep coming out, no 4k yet
so what you guys are saying is that fuck timespy?
ashen spindle
go look at your fps in games not benchmarks, the x3d will always be lower than a 5800x there
naive portal
fps is insane
gusty kiln
Do you have a lower end gpu to test
naive portal
no, got rid of that
had a 6700 XT
strix
just the 4090 gaming msi now
@cinder tartan link to the software?
PBO 2 tuner?
cinder tartan
naive portal
legend
cinder tartan
unfortunately you need to open it up every time you login to windows unless you do some stuff with task scheduler that I don't bother with.
gusty kiln
Idk other people in reddit still get 12k with the X3D
naive portal
Idk other people in reddit still get 12k with the X3D
out the box standard?
yeah that's what's annoying me lol
gusty kiln
Did you clear your cmos? Trying it with all default bios settings?
naive portal
not yet, can give that a go
gusty kiln
I run my stock and the performance is to be expected
naive portal
its a new board and a new bios update
gusty kiln
Hmmm
naive portal
only thing old is the windows etc, i was thinking maybe its the cpu profile etc that gets saved on the m.2
gusty kiln
@vagrant pagoda got any ideas?
naive portal
and thats reflecting the 5800x i had previously
not sure how to reset all that
@vagrant pagoda wake up, this is important ๐
gusty kiln
naive portal
pull over ๐
naive portal
5800 X3D low score on timespy
vagrant pagoda
Yeah
vagrant pagoda
What's the boost
naive portal
none
vagrant pagoda
It's running at base clocks?
naive portal
yes
vagrant pagoda
3.4 would be way way lower score then that
Go check correctly
Run hwinfo
What's the temps?
naive portal
temps are normal but im on an air cooler rn, budget
main boards a crosshair viii gone for rma
vagrant pagoda
Again
That means nothing
I need the actual numbers
What's it boosting to
And what are the temps
thick pine
GHz and C
vagrant pagoda
You want the stats view
gusty kiln
Run the sensors
vagrant pagoda
It dose say boost is 3.4 though that's odd
gusty kiln
Yeah wtf
naive portal
just sayin i love you guys ๐
standard timespy results on both configs lol noob
vagrant pagoda
Update bios
naive portal
its beautiful, dont judge
gusty kiln
There's a couple people on reddit with the same problem
naive portal
Update bios
its the latest bios, new board too
naive portal
There's a couple people on reddit with the same problem
link>
gusty kiln
And bios update sometimes doesn't fix it for them
vagrant pagoda
Flash older bios then
gusty kiln
gusty kiln
It's either the motherboard or the bios version
naive portal
ok this board will piss off in a couple of weeks once the rma returns the crosshair viii so maybe i should wait for that to happen
gusty kiln
ok this board will piss off in a couple of weeks once the rma returns the crossh...
Check your power plans
final flame
13 year old account only 20 games
gusty kiln
It is on power saving
naive portal
13 year old account only 20 games
we used to pirate games before steam etc existed
power plans have been changed to performance
tranquil idol
... old... I don't want to hear it my steam account is going to have to register for the draft next year... ๐
Also are you BLK OCed?
tranquil idol
Try messing with global c state control.
naive portal
There's also amd chipset drivers that can add ryzen powerplans
did an amd chipset install first thing
tranquil idol
Idk why but my x3d does odd stuff when it's disabled...
tranquil idol
Lol back in the day. Odd thing enough this wasn't my first account... I lost my first one.
naive portal
Lol back in the day. Odd thing enough this wasn't my first account... I lost my ...
same
im probably 20 years on steam etc ๐
lmao same that hotmail account was embarrassing
tranquil idol
... I used to have a RuneScape account that was grandfathered from the forum game... They deleted it a few years ago couldn't get in when I deployed... Was so upset...
final flame
account is literally almost as old as me ๐
tranquil idol
My oldest friend I still have... We met on xfire... Remember that im thing...
gusty kiln
Seems like I have one of the older discord accounts
crimson wigeon
Kind of
Don't think I've ever seen someone with an account older than mine ๐ค actually maybe once
final flame
created it on day one
crimson wigeon
I wish
tranquil idol
I honestly never and still don't like discord... It's built like Swiss cheese...but it's what everyone is using now...
crimson wigeon
Yep
old marlin
Swiss cheese isn't what i would use to describe it
More like a bowl of potato salad
Where random people contribute
And someone slowly starts scraping out stuff that doesn't work in it well
While more stuff is kept getting shoveled in
chrome estuary
My oldest account is likely my steam account or Minecraft.
gusty kiln
I honestly never and still don't like discord... It's built like Swiss cheese......
Sounds like solidworks
thick pine
My oldest account is likely my steam account or Minecraft.
First steam game?
chrome estuary
Fallout New Vegas
thick pine
Fallout New Vegas
Nice, legendary game
chrome estuary
It was either Garry's mod, fallout New Vegas, or Terraria I can't remember which the three
thick pine
I remember walking to a pharmacy to get a $10 steam card so I could buy Terraria when it launched
chrome estuary
Back then team fortress 2 was bundled with Garry's mod
thick pine
That was my first
frozen ingot
orange box is the earliest I recall
wheat plume
I first got the Orange Box randomly from Gamestop one time for 360, first time seeing any Valve game and hearing about Valve xd
frozen ingot
bought half-life on release 98
astral haven
isnt that the super wrong video?
where he kept saying stuff that was just barely incorrect, and caused quite a series of videos correcting him?
ashen spindle
no thats the follow up
astral haven
oh ok
naive portal
9714 on cinebench @gusty kiln @vagrant pagoda
gusty kiln
9714 on cinebench <@140241126694191104> <@265691493006573568>
it got better but not quite there, what did you change?
naive portal
lol nothing
gusty kiln
lol
gusty kiln
carmonben probably will know better
gusty kiln
I also installed AMD Ryzen Master
maybe eco mode is on for some reason
ashen spindle
dont think they even have eco mode on the 5800x3d?
naive portal
not sure what im doing here but enjoy my desktop
ashen spindle
seems more like run to run variance which can be quite high on stock boost settings with timespy and other 3dmark suites
what cpu cooler do you have
naive portal
what cpu cooler do you have
right now its a bog fan on there
a collermaster pesant v2
couldnt be arsed to watercool a temporary motherboard
ashen spindle
nah thats fine, was just wondering if the cooler is not enough
but that seems fine so I dont think there is any issue
naive portal
i mean its just aircooled with some artic 4 paste
ashen spindle
did you set the ram XMP back to what it was when you changed cpu?
naive portal
dohcp is on yes on default profile
ashen spindle
then everything looks fine
naive portal
but its weak ๐ฆ
should i hit it?
i do think ill do a bios update
got the new version now making a flash drive
do think i did that already but will do it again
ashen spindle
no, its just that timespy or other benchmarks dont benefit form the extra cache, most games do
so I dont get what you are trying to do
naive portal
but it makes me look like an embarrasment to someone with a 5800x
ashen spindle
if you want to OC and get timespy highscores the x3d is the wrong cpu
naive portal
social responsibility you know
ashen spindle
if you want to play games with higher fps, ignore benchmark results that are useless
naive portal
@still loom was laughing at me
naive portal
if you want to play games with higher fps, ignore benchmark results that are use...
fps is insane yes
i have two 1080 monitors both on 360hz
no issues there
but the timespy flex is not happening ๐
vagrant pagoda
undervolt the x3d
keep it under 75c
keep lowering volts until the clocks drop
then crank the fuck out of your fclock
you want 1900+
and 1:1 ratio
naive portal
omg yes, but im a noob at oc'ing the cpu, done the gpu only before
vagrant pagoda
also
naive portal
most i ever did was PBO
vagrant pagoda
compaining about low benchs
naive portal
loool
vagrant pagoda
running cl16 3600 in 2023
naive portal
dont judge me
whats better? cl 14?
i was tempted to upgrade to AM5 but ALan told me not to
@still loom is the real dick here
ashen spindle
vagrant pagoda
eh not worth it
vagrant pagoda
in gaming and benches the x3d is still king
ashen spindle
well the zen4 v cache cpus only come out next month so right now its not worth it yea
naive portal
just get the X3d and youll be fine he said
ashen spindle
yea
vagrant pagoda
but yeah
naive portal
esp if you have an air cooler
for now until i get my board back
then its all EK cooled
including the vram
vagrant pagoda
running stock flck and 16-19-19-39 isnt heling
naive portal
Summin like that
vagrant pagoda
waterblock aint doing shit for you on a x3d other than look cool
naive portal
my dreams are shattered
naive portal
I dont understand F but my room is normal room temp, nothing odd
system idles at around 27C
80.6F
with watercooling that is
vagrant pagoda
thats more than enough
gusty kiln
shame, could have waited for 7000X3D
vagrant pagoda
i was saying like you arent un aced on the sun or some shit
naive portal
shame, could have waited for 7000X3D
i mean i can still get it
gusty kiln
if you're willing to spend that much
naive portal
i can spend yes but @still loom said i need to skip this gen
gusty kiln
I mean even with the 5800X3d, you're maxing your monitors in most games
vagrant pagoda
yeah
naive portal
yeah 100%, next buy was going to be a new swift that goes up to 8k
swap out one of my monitors
only issue with 4k etc is that they dont come in 27"
will have a mismatch
no point dropping ยฃ3k on a monitor though thats gpu money
naive portal
ok
still loom
waterblock aint doing shit for you on a x3d other than look cool
He knows that, he is purely aesthetics
vagrant pagoda
Some people don't know. A normal 5800x can be pushed further under water, might even beat an x3d in some titles
still loom
still loom
Some people don't know. A normal 5800x can be pushed further under water, might ...
He doesn't overclock at all
vagrant pagoda
But I play janky strategy and indie games, so x3d zooms
still loom
He just wants his PC room to look nice, as above
vagrant pagoda
It doubled my RimWorld tps over 5800x
still loom
He doesn't care for synthetic benchmarks
He just wants his PC to work
Only thing he talks about is idle temp sometimes ๐
Idk why
vagrant pagoda
Then why was he complaining about 3dmark scores
still loom
You think he cares about anything else other than aesthetics
๐
He plays Valorant
Thing runs at like 1000fps
still loom
Also I didn't tell him to "skip this generation"
I would just prefer if he didn't get the first on the AM5s
So he can use his 5800X3D, then maybe upgrade to 8X3D or 9X3D
Getting the 7000 is just asking for trouble, first of the generation, no optimisation
final flame
oh hey omer
still loom
๐
vagrant pagoda
Though the 7900x3d could be big if the non x3d ccx pbos well
The main reason I want x670 is igpu
I think I'd use nreal with my desktop
If I could use the iGPU
still loom
I mean.... Omer has a 4090, there's no need for him to have an iGPU ๐
still loom
He keeps blaming me every time I try to save him some money ๐ Like bro, don't buy the first CPU of the gen
Makes total sense not to
Wait a year or two until they are better optimised for the motherboards
And maybe aren't running at 95C no matter what
vagrant pagoda
I mean the x3d dise it too just 85 target
still loom
So imagine the progress like.... 1 or 2 years into the gen ๐
He also has very expensive DDR4 RAM
vagrant pagoda
My issue with x670 is the only board that fits what I want is msi
still loom
What's the point in upgrading when you're dropping CL14 3600hz for something not as optimised in DDR5
vagrant pagoda
He also has very expensive DDR4 RAM
You sure?
He said he had xmp on
And it's like cas 19
still loom
It's CL14 or lower
The numbers after that are yeah higher than 14 obviously
The first timing is 14
still loom
Maybe I'm getting his RAM confused with another friend ๐
vagrant pagoda
I have 4000 cl16
still loom
Anyway, you're going into AM5 using CL40 and stuff
vagrant pagoda
Running 16-16-16-32 I think
At 4000
I wish gskill would have released 4000cl14 16g sticks
There are skus for it, but it never hit market
vagrant pagoda
So you can only get it in royalz
vagrant pagoda
A friend of mine runs CL12 4266
On Intel?
You ain't getting 2133 flck out of Ryzen lol
And for 4 dual rank dimms 4000cl14 is smokin on Ryzen
vagrant pagoda
4266 is dumb on AMD though
still loom
I mean literally all this guy does is play with RAM all day long
Every day
And go for the best benchmarks using the latest GPUs
still loom
4266 is dumb on AMD though
Doesn't matter if it's dumb, he wants the best numbers and for it to post and work
And be able to run a benchmark
That's literally all he does
He has multiple benches and have bricked so many GPUs ๐
vagrant pagoda
I mean that isn't fast if you just want to post to cpuz
But it won't do good in benchmarks as 1:1
You gotta be 5000+mhz to beat 1:1
still loom
Trust me when I tell you he's a benchmarking genius
vagrant pagoda
What's his hwbot?
still loom
vagrant pagoda
I should really try different mobos to see if my x3d will do high blck
still loom
Happy? ๐
vagrant pagoda
I'm running 105 with x38 for flck and 1:1 ram
I think I could do 110
Because I know the cpu will do 2000 fclk fine
And im only running 1.43v on the ram so it has headroom
Should do 4200 fine at 110*38
mild dome
I wonder, what would happen if they managed to double Infinity fabric clockrate with the 7000 series.
vagrant pagoda
Wut
It's the same
Stock flck is like 1733.
With only good samples doing 2000 still
still loom
I'll stick to my steam achievements
vagrant pagoda
But zen4 has a ton more multipliers so its not as important to get 2000flck
But it still matters
It wants lowest latency possible
Where Intel wants speed first
still loom
Honestly I had no idea he was ranked #24 in the world ๐ Don't think I checked his hwbot before or if I did I just ignored it
still loom
๐ true
Idk how these people do it, bricking systems for a living just for numbers
Like wooo! You got 2% performance out of some RAM
Here's a medal ๐
naive portal
ROG ๐๐ปโโ๏ธ
still loom
๐
halcyon moss
is evga exiting the components industry?
still loom
Thought it was just GPUs
old marlin
are they?
frozen ingot
still selling psus and whatnot
fair gull
afaik vince was mainly there for GPU development
old marlin
vince was mostly gpus though
fair gull
pretty sure the profit margins on the rest are good enough that evga will keep making it
also probably way easier to work on psus and mobos and such... cause at most you deal with a bios manufacturer and the rest is just SMT and THT components
still loom
I don't understand why they didn't just start a partnership with AMD for GPUs ๐
old marlin
yea and you are not running into danger with intel and AMD markign up their chipsets and making their own boards that don't have to deal with markups
still loom
Maybe they just don't want to make any
fair gull
i think in general the profit margins on GPUs for AiB partners is ass
its probably like running a Tech store where you live of margins in the single digits of percents
or less sometimes
still loom
๐
old marlin
i think in general the profit margins on GPUs for AiB partners is ass
yea that they are single digits ain't exaclty new info
doubt that has gotten any better
halcyon moss
and the market is not that hot atm
old marlin
esp with nvidia selling VERY competitive models
fair gull
doubt that has gotten any better
ya but i think how nvidia treated them as AiB partners is probably what got them burned from wanting to do GPUs
old marlin
yea
still loom
But i mean they have to cut their losses and get rid of their GPU department
old marlin
otherwise they would have left long ago
also not a new thing btw
xfx for example
of bfg
fair gull
kinda of their own demise really
old marlin
like
frozen ingot
which appears to be their long-term goal
old marlin
bfg just said it wasn't worth it anymore
and died
and xfx tried expanding into AMD cards
and nvidia just booted them essentially
still loom
Eh I mean if AMD were much better EVGA would've made GPUs for them years ago ๐
fair gull
which appears to be their long-term goal
but thatll just lead to amd being able to pull ahead massively
still loom
Probably the same on both sides
fair gull
especially if they nail their gpu perf in the next few gens
old marlin
yea not saying AMD is much better
they obv also charge markups on their GPUs
and the aibs make less money on mba cards
frozen ingot
but thatll just lead to amd being able to pull ahead massively
if they can meet worldwide demand with their own supply line, not nescessarily
fair gull
depends on if nvidia will just sit on their advantages like intel did
frozen ingot
don't see how they're going to achieve that though
still loom
I highly doubt huge companies like ASUS etc will put out of making nvidia cards ๐
old marlin
I highly doubt huge companies like ASUS etc will put out of making nvidia cards ...
at the current trend would not be surprising if they leave in the next 10 years
frozen ingot
nvidia can just cut ties with them when it suits them
fair gull
i think it wont be nvidia cutting ties
still loom
I mean the current trend is what? EVGA not making them? That's technically a smaller, niche company that doesn't make cards for AMD either
That's not really a trend
old marlin
current trend is nvidia is direct competition for aibs
with little incentive to buy an aib card
that costs more and performs the same
while the aibs got tiny margins
still loom
The only reason you don't want to buy a non AIB AMD card is because they go wrong
The price difference is the same there
ASUS cards are like 100-200 on top of the reference
Same trend
old marlin
yea but they offer you no extra performance or anything
pale sigil
@old marlin did you back the wooting one or am I remembering wrong
old marlin
with mba cards the aibs get a slight margin still
pale sigil
Or two
not roleless anymore
fair gull
<@130036426912825344> give role <a:bcaFightFite:511036849100423178>
idk what you mean
pale sigil
Nou
old marlin
why did I get wootup roles 
fair gull
maybe
pale sigil
Tomorrow at my house
old marlin
cause I am considering going to clackykeebs next month
and iirc wootup was in march typically?
halcyon moss
im sad for no more physical meetups
pale sigil
Info will be released soooooon
old marlin
im sad for no more physical meetups
should have gone to mechanicon 
of clackykeebs
wooting will be there as well apparently
pale sigil
im sad for no more physical meetups
Well, tbf blame COVID and other circumstances.
old marlin
ye
halcyon moss
i know ๐
old marlin
ngl meetup really freshened up the keeb hobby for me
marsh glade
Wooting will indeed be at Clackycon
pale sigil
@shadow minnow @crisp granite
shadow minnow
Wait until they realize their pc is about to update
pale sigil
shadow minnow
Well you choose the amount of ram you want, I have 16gb ram in my pc
Also what year is the MacBook from
shadow minnow
Then that person is doing something wrong
pale sigil
That person is a coder
pale sigil
He uses docker for one
pale sigil
The 13" comes with 8gb default
old marlin
what "pro" only uses 8gb of ram
shadow minnow
Oh virtualization, thatโs the reason then
pale sigil
what "pro" only uses 8gb of ram
The 13"
pale sigil
Oh, well, his workplace bought it.
halcyon moss
yeah docker is apparently not great on osx or windows because of the need of virtualization
old marlin
great
halcyon moss
also, 16gb of mem for dev work 
pale sigil
His main desktop is 5950x/3090/32gb
old marlin
also, 16gb of mem for dev work <:pepecry:643973235188170753>
better than 8
pale sigil
He also rants about OSX
halcyon moss
16gb is minimum tbh.
shadow minnow
His main desktop is 5950x/3090/32gb
Oh, so a pc thatโs way more expensive runs better than minimum speced laptop that has a different cpu platform, how surprising
pale sigil
And how he's had to pay to tweak it.
frozen ingot
selling any computer with sub-16gb ram in 2023 is basically aggrevating premature device obscolescence
pale sigil
Oh, so a pc thatโs way more expensive runs better than minimum speced laptop tha...
What no, not my point.
He said what Dev uses 8gb
old marlin
Oh, so a pc thatโs way more expensive runs better than minimum speced laptop tha...
no "pro" machine in 2023 should come with 8gb of ram
pale sigil
Was just saying he has his pc
old marlin
esp if it is shared with VRAM
also spec difference should not make the basic os more smooth
shadow minnow
no "pro" machine in 2023 should come with 8gb of ram
That is true
pale sigil
Also shouldn't cost a kidney
shadow minnow
also spec difference should not make the basic os more smooth
Basic os โ virtualization
old marlin
still loom
Apple logic
pale sigil
Yup
shadow minnow
Also shouldn't cost a kidney
That person bought 3090, 10% more performance for double the price of 3080 so..
pale sigil
That person bought 3090, 10% more performance for double the price of 3080 so.. ...
Not talking about a specific person
halcyon moss
16gb is the max? what model?
pale sigil
Talking about in general
old marlin
16gb is the max? what model?
no there is also 24
pale sigil
24 
old marlin
which is 400 extra
shadow minnow
24 sounds like a nice middle ground just not that price
pale sigil
I thought the M2 could do 32gb
old marlin
but those 200 are basically required
for machine for 1300 as a base model
so you are already at 1500 or 1700
without touchign storage options
pale sigil
With only 256gb storage
old marlin
halcyon moss
14" m2 has up to 96GB ๐ฎ
old marlin
I'd argue you'd want 1TB
pale sigil
512gb minimum
old marlin
pale sigil
256gb is just unbearable
old marlin
ain't looking good
still loom
These optional extras are disgustingly priced ๐
pale sigil
And that's the base M2
shadow minnow
Well you do get the best laptop speakers and great screen but ngl that storage and ram pricing sucks
pale sigil
Just isn't worth it as much as I would like one for the hardware
old marlin
you know what is really funny
pale sigil
Tbh the screen is nice
old marlin
14" with less memory is like 100 dollars less
pale sigil
Laptop speakers he also ain't wrong
halcyon moss
these options confuse me
old marlin
but you get the m2 pro
halcyon moss
no change in cpu cores, but only gpu cores?
shadow minnow
And war thunder
still loom
And Minecraft
Surprised Micosoft would let them run that tbh ๐
pale sigil
Apparently he stopped using docker ages ago
He was just running node scrips that's causing lag
shadow minnow
can even run seus ptgi on m1
shadow minnow
Less, but well itโs seus ptgi on a platform not made for it
halcyon moss
still is tbh
pale sigil
It's so stupid games run better on the M2 iPad than the MacBook
halcyon moss
display output limitations are also a bit silly on m1/m2
pale sigil
Why do apple insist in making gaming shit
pale sigil
iPad Pro M2 was pure bliss.
shadow minnow
Just hating on the price
I mean some things suck, but imo 14โ pro with 1tb memory and 16gb ram is a fair price
pale sigil
Powerful mofo
pale sigil
I mean some things suck, but imo 14โ pro with 1tb memory and 16gb ram is a fair ...
How?!?!?!
shadow minnow
How not?
pale sigil
Poco
shadow minnow
There are 3000$ windows laptops with LCD screens and horrible speakers
misty saffron
and inexpensive
old marlin
for a second I thought you wanted it to run sims 2
pale sigil
There are 3000$ windows laptops with LCD screens and horrible speakers
You're looking at the wrong places
Because oled is a thing
And mini led
shadow minnow
Mini led yes, thatโs nice and same as the MacBook 14 has
OLED sadly not high enough brightness for laptops yet
At least last time I checked
old marlin
the XPS is priced pretty similarly
shadow minnow
Which on laptops even 1600 nits was sometimes barely enough
shadow minnow
the XPS is priced pretty similarly
Crazy thing is you can get an iGPU one for almost the price of M1 Pro
pale sigil
My issue is pricing
shadow minnow
And thatโs why I think 14โ M1 Pro macbooks donโt have a bad price
Base model
old marlin
And thatโs why I think 14โ M1 Pro macbooks donโt have a bad price
a lot better than the 13" at least
pale sigil
ยฃ1300 gets you gtx 3060 model
shadow minnow
ยฃ1300 gets you gtx 3060 model
Depends on laptops, there are more expensive ones too
pale sigil
Anyway I'm hating on the price
shadow minnow
Windows has expensive laptops too that have iGPU for 2000
pale sigil
Depends on laptops, there are more expensive ones too
I'm on about xps
pale sigil
Windows has expensive laptops too that have iGPU for 2000
Then don't get them lol
pale sigil
I don't like xps
shadow minnow
I sometimes use a laptop outside and such 500 nits is so little
pale sigil
I was just saying
Again though
We are talking ยฃ2100 minimum
It's just wrong
An iPad pro costs ยฃ1250
shadow minnow
We are talking ยฃ2100 minimum
Well for what you get
What is the best windows laptop you can get for that prcie
Genuine question
Want to see
still loom
An iPad pro costs ยฃ1250
Get a student to buy it
old marlin
Windows has expensive laptops too that have iGPU for 2000
"windows" doesn't have laptops
pale sigil
Get a student to buy it
I have a student login, pro isn't under that
still loom
oof
pale sigil
But my point is there's no reason justification for it when their iPad pro M2 costs less and gets you more
shadow minnow
Since when
old marlin
also saying "the 500 nit scrren sucks" when last model mbp ran the same brightness
shadow minnow
Well thatโs what I mean
pale sigil
Because there would be no reason to get a MacBook.
shadow minnow
also saying "the 500 nit scrren sucks" when last model mbp ran the same brightne...
Yes, which sucks
pale sigil
They are slowly osxifying iPad os though
iPad OS 16 is the best tablet experience to date
shadow minnow
Yes, which sucks
13โ MacBook Pro shouldnโt be called pro
Still though, whatโs the best 2000$ windows laptop
old marlin
depends on what you want
still loom
Still though, whatโs the best 2000$ windows laptop
I'd guess you have to wait for the 4000 series
In feb?
old marlin
you can get a base model xps 15 for that
shadow minnow
Something that competes with MacBooks, just want to see comparison, not that I planned to buy it
shadow minnow
you can get a base model xps 15 for that
Well, that means you can get better cpu and GPU, worse screen, battery life, speakers and chassis
So I donโt see how is 14โ mbp that bad compared to that
old marlin
actually
14 mbp is 400โฌ more
so you could get a 12700h and a 3050ti
for the same as a base model 14
pale sigil
I mean tbh the razer blade 15 is a little more but is nice and much better.
shadow minnow
Yes so as I said, better cpu and GPU, worse speakers chassis and screen and battery life
pale sigil
Not that I would get one
still loom
so you could get a 12700h and a 3050ti
Would be a terrible idea to buy that though when the 4050 laptops should be out soon
old marlin
Would be a terrible idea to buy that though when the 4050 laptops should be out ...
oh yea absolutely
as well as raptor lake
pale sigil
Lenovo laptops were nice
shadow minnow
Also xps15 connectivity is pretty bad
shadow minnow
Blade 15 basically looks like a wannabe MacBook
still loom
didn't they say 4050 laptops will start at $999?
pale sigil
Dane XD
old marlin
Also xps15 connectivity is pretty bad
aka
literally one less port
which is hdmi
when realistically everybody in companies will use docks
shadow minnow
The thing is other usbs are not capable of thunderbolt
pale sigil
Also xps15 connectivity is pretty bad
Isn't the M1 notoriously bad for this
old marlin
The thing is other usbs are not capable of thunderbolt
2/3 are
one will be for charging and dsiplay out anyways
also
wtf are you using TB3 for
great
so you can also get 32GBs of ram on the XPS if you wanna avoid that
upcost of the SSD and doubling the ram is similar to SSD upcost on the mbp
shadow minnow
Does the 32gb xps have faster ssd than 3GBps?
Because if not than itโs totally irrelevant
As thatโs what the ssd slows down to
old marlin
that is the 512GB model
also has a second m.2 slot with pcie gen 4
you pay 100โฌ extra for the drive upgrade, you could also just buy one and plug it in ig
shadow minnow
So with razer blade 14 you get a slower cpu, faster GPU, slightly higher refresh rate, worse screen in everything else, worse speakers. How is that better value than 14mbp? @pale sigil
still loom
It plays games
reef patrol
shadow minnow
For gaming itโs better yes
But I am not talking about gaming, definitely donโt get a macOS thing for gaming
reef patrol
Swappable internals.