🔌│tech

[haughty latch]

I borrowed a friend's dims that were b dies lol

however if you want a real challenge, OCing C die is fucking amusing

C die is so damn janky that it actually scales WORSE if you give it more than 1.35v

hell, in some cases even that stock voltage is too much

[still loom]

😂

[haughty latch]

it is legit backwards lol

also the timings are already so damn loose that a forum dedicated to OCIng the stuff said to just make them as loose as they can go and a baseline being cl 22-22-22-22-48

[still loom]

I know someone who runs CL12 4266

But all he does all day is play around with b die RAM

And expensive hardware, he basically blows up GPUs for a living

Elitist benchmarker

[haughty latch]

the best OC i got on C die was going from 3200mhz cl 16 to 4000mhz cl 20-22-22-22-48

at an amusing 1.2v lol

remember when I said C die was fucking backwards? Lol

ofc, it was BARELY stable but it did pass a few benches with 0 errors which is amusing but man it was making windows itself SO angry haha

[still loom]

I guess RAM be very temperamental when being fine tune OCed

[haughty latch]

it was amusing

I had to keep my side panel open on my case

cause if so much as the case temp went up by 2c during the load windows just crashed

it was THAT borderline

[fair gull]

wait you dont watercool your ram?

[haughty latch]

LOL

[fair gull]

each chip gets its own small waterblock

[still loom]

Would be cute

[old marlin]

same is the case on stable tho

[still loom]

Some mobos have VRM waterblocks

[fair gull]

now u wonder if a long waterblock would make sense for ram oc'ing

[haughty latch]

tbf you would most likely hit a limit on your motherboard

[old marlin]

I currently got the cool new feature that I sometimes just can't join a VC on a certain server and have to restart my client until it works

[haughty latch]

I know the 4750g I had could do like 2133mhz IF but couldn't go ANY HIGHER cause the motherboard was like "GOD WHAT HAVE YOU DONE"

yet on my board I had daily it couldn't post with ram speeds higher than 3800 cl 18 with the topoligy of the board paired with it being a 4 layer PCB lol

[reef patrol]

That's the benefit of DDR5. Memory controllers are part of the RAM, not the motherboard. So there's less restrictions there from lower end motherboards from what I understand.

[old marlin]

eh

not quite

you still need essentially the same bandwidth from CPU to ram

[haughty latch]

the boards slots still matter in that cause DDR5 is so fickle signal integrity wise, most DDR5 slots are BASICALLY surface mounted from what I noticed

and I also recall the dimms on performance boards being amusingly close to the CPU socket

[old marlin]

yea nothing new

for mem OC records people pick ITX boards for a reason lol

[haughty latch]

yep

since I recall some ITX boards flat out have more layers as well on the PCB lol

like what, 8-12 now n days?

[old marlin]

well smaller size makes that necessary much quicker

[haughty latch]

they get DENSE

[old marlin]

sicne the components don't get smaller

[haughty latch]

also speaking of board sizes, small tangent

fuckin RIP mATX lmao

[old marlin]

also nothing new?

[haughty latch]

fucking GPUs eating all the slots anyways that you mainly should go for ITX or ATX haha

and given that the costs on what used to be the weird saving grace of cheap boards now being through the roof with the newer sockets n such

still amused at AIB gpus being near 4 slots wide

[still loom]

Well look at AMD's non AIB cards overheating and throttling 😂

Cooling is necessary

I mean... my 3080 is over 3 slots, I don't mind it 😅

But then I do have a big case so it doesn't really matter

[haughty latch]

I got a ref 6900xt that does well

but it is 2.5 slots

however better than the cooler on the 6800 non xt where the LEDs just block half the damn shroud of fins lol

[still loom]

Compact builds are fine and all but like... unnecessary in most cases

I like my big O11 😂

[haughty latch]

I like dense but not ultra dense usually

mATX is basically the smallest I go haha

since anything smaller than that is mainly for show at that point and matx still has basically most the stuff you'd want on a board + a single or 2 PCIe slots to add say a wifi card, cap card, etc depending on the need

unless you're asrock and make a board with a 16x slot one slot lower than usual for some fecking reason on your mATX boards lmao

[still loom]

I understand compact things are cool but like... it's a bit over the top for building a PC that is basically gonna take up the same floor space as a bigger case

by floor space I mean desk space 😂

You're talking inches and it's not as if your ceiling is gonna come down to restrict the height of your PC

[haughty latch]

I see the reason if you have like shagged carpet and need it to fit on your desk lol

[still loom]

Also I can't imagine how annoying it is to drop a screw in some of these compact cases

[haughty latch]

my setup is somewhat like that

but not ITX levels of compact

[still loom]

NR200P?

Is that the case everyone raves about?

I'll pass xD

[haughty latch]

Nope, Silencio S400

the Cooler master Silencio S400 was the ONLY sound dampened case that didn't choke off the front of the case lol

[still loom]

Looks nice 🙂

Not sure about the airflow, but it looks nice 😂

[haughty latch]

it's much better than it looks

there is about a 1 inch gap on the front panel and air definitely gets sucked in easy

[still loom]

I mean if I had absolutely no space for my PC I would stick it to the wall 😅 But that's me

In like one of those frame cases

[haughty latch]

This was what I had going on previously in my system lol

it was legit just all function over form

[still loom]

Wtf 😂

[haughty latch]

it was crazy dense, and more so thanks to alphacool's crazyness with their Eiswolf and Eisbaer coolers it made that system look kinda wild lol

then I had a quadro RTX 4000 in there as I needed it for tinkering around with VM shenanigans for a few with VFIO stuff

basically a single slot 2080 with the perf of a 2060 super lol

[still loom]

Half the case is taken up by a PSU shroud 😅

I respect the efforts people put into compact builds but it doesn't mean I understand them 😂

[reef patrol]

Not like the space it covers is useful for much else. They fit the PSU and harddrives.

[haughty latch]

oh trust me I didn't understand either LMAO

I made it work otherwise with the shenanigans I pulled haha

and also managed to stick like 6 drives in there but most were SSDs I had laying around lmfao

This is what it is now but YEA honestly' much less tube wonk lol

and also on a Z590 MSI board instead of a AMD b550 board so yea

I still got a second "GPU" regardless cause of that IGPU if I ever needed to do VM stuff again but ya haha

more so I kinda wished I could disable the RGB on my ram sticks without needing to have hecking software running in the BG

but EHH it's just covered by my case anyways lol

Honestly still glad tho my setup is kinda compact since I mainly just tinker or fix things haha

[thick gale]

Depends on what you're doing. If it's a full custom loop, every bit of space is useful.

[reef patrol]

Ehh... agree to disagree. If you need the space, you need the space. The cover isn't taking up any real space that you're not using for the harddrives. If you don't have harddrives, you should probably pick a case that doesn't account for these.

[thick gale]

True. I ended up going with an O11 Dynamic XL and found I was barely able to fit my dual-pump setup in there without blocking any PCI-E slots.

[reef patrol]

Mhmm. Fellow XL owner.

[tropic nacelle]

Don't think I could go back to small cases, I had a bitfenix prodigy which was awesome at the time and I could lug it anywhere for lans, it was so nice and compact with watercooling.

Gone through loads of cases over the years and I'm very happy with the o11d XL, so much space for rads and looks nice.

[thick gale]

It's a great case! Just wish it was slightly larger actually.

[reef patrol]

Started my loop in the O11, wasn't big enough for the 3000 series cards, so I had to upgrade.
Mind I had both cases custom painted by a printer. So that was a fun added cost 😄

[thick gale]

That's great! I didn't go that route, but I did replace the front panel with a custom printed panel for additional airflow. I had dual RTX 3090s in there and my water temps were hitting 50C in the summer.

I've been hoping to get a 4090 in the case, but I'm worried about the size with a water block preventing me from getting the side panel on.

[thick gale]

I do miss LAN parties. Been a very long time since I attended one.

Playing online just isn't the same.

[fair gull]

last lan party i attended i lugged around my crt so id rather not do lan parties anymore

[reef patrol]

Last LAN I was at was like a month before Covid lockdown.

Fun times.

[thick gale]

Fair enough. I probably wouldn't get the same enjoyment from them today. Last time I went to a LAN party was over 15 years ago, so it's probably mostly nostalgia.

[fair gull]

i dont even play pvp games anymore

only pve or singleplayer really

[thick gale]

Same. I can no longer dedicate the time necessary for pvp.

[reef patrol]

Just gotta bring the right setup. 24" LCD and a 1660TI powered ITX PC.

Or this case made by a small Danish company for LAN parties 😄

[thick gale]

Nice! That's a very unique case!

[fair gull]

where do i mount my crt on that

[old marlin]

or my 34" UW

[gusty kiln]

Also the lack of low pressure mass multiplayer pvp

Battlefield is still kinda around

But 2042 was a dumpster fire

It's better now but still no where near BF1

Team fortress 2 is another example

[frozen ingot]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQDnwpc_k4E

amd drivers be like

[ashen spindle]

https://twitter.com/aschilling/status/1616007475936780288

Andreas Schilling 🇺🇦 (@aschilling)

You remember the story of the conspicuous accumulation of defective GPUs of Radeon RX-6900/6800 series cards that a repair shop made headlines about a little over a week ago? There will be a video with more information on this topic tomorrow, Friday, we were informed on request.

Twitter · Jan 19, 2023, 9:39 AM

the title of the video is literal speculation

but as we saw with the other recent hardware issues, drama and clickbait still matters more than taking time to take an actual look at it before speculating

[gusty kiln]

Yeah and mind share is such a hard thing to overcome

[frozen ingot]

gpus dying prematurely tend to do be a dramatic experience for many gamers

[ashen spindle]

that doesnt change anything about how it should be reported about?

not like this is a video a user made when being frustrated and the people that picked it up and wrote about it also arent gamers that are enraged at the moment

could be user fault, could be something on the hardware

speculating they are dying after a driver update when there is no real indication for it is a bit premature

[vagrant pagoda]

The reason for 24GB sticks is because 32gbit dies keep failing

So instead of nothing they released 24gbit dies

Now for consumers it means larger sticks that have the same speeds as 16GB sticks

[reef patrol]

🤔

[vagrant pagoda]

Currently Intel and amd suffer massively when running 8 rank

Way worst compared to ddr4

With Ryzen not able to even run jdec spec sometimes

So 50% more memory is good

[ashen spindle]

server cost is also a thing

if you can do with 24gb you can save a ton

[vagrant pagoda]

Plus on the server side they don't care about speed

Yep

Well they are going to run quad rank sticks lol

If not 8 rank

Samsung makes 8 rank 256gb sticks

Samsung has announced 512 but I don't think you can get those open market

They are using 8 stacked 16gbit dies to make 16GB packages

Then 32 of those on a stick

Desktop class ddr5 is just double stacked

But still they are sticking 40 of those packages on one stick to get 512GB with ECC

Makes me think about handhelds though

As soon as Samsung moves that to lpddr5

[wheat plume]

🤤 no notch

[old marlin]

is that the pixel fold?

[wheat plume]

Nope

[old marlin]

what is it then

[wheat plume]

the new Redmagic

It's a gaming phone

But not as obnoxious in design as typical ones this time

[old marlin]

[tropic nacelle]

"gaming phone" I never understood the whole "gaming" tag applied to everything these days

[wheat plume]

Redmagic 8 Pro

[old marlin]

eh

they have some gaming centered features

[wheat plume]

I like the matte design

[tropic nacelle]

It has a fan, ok that's gaming centric at least in terms of use as it will help keep sustained performance reasonable

[gusty kiln]

Wootomation

[neat zephyr]

Which coiled cable does everyone recommend for 60he?

[pale sigil]

cough

[wheat plume]

screen corners are too round xd

[pale sigil]

Never bothered me tbh

[wheat plume]

it does for me on apps where the gesture bar background is not transparent

[pale sigil]

Gesture bar background?

[wheat plume]

Most apps it's not transparent in

It's transparent on apps like Google Photos though

[wheat plume]

yeh

homescreen

no shit its transparent there

:P

[pale sigil]

It's transparent everywhere

[wheat plume]

no it aint

not in Chrome or youtube or discord

etc etc

oldr apps too

[pale sigil]

It isssssssss

[wheat plume]

fdroid

no... got solid background

[wheat plume]

discord just matches the color but its still solid color

[pale sigil]

Lies

[wheat plume]

but i dont mind in that case

youtube also color matches a solid background

which is better than not, which chrome does

[pale sigil]

Liesssss

[wheat plume]

open chrome and show me then xd

[pale sigil]

Also tbf why do you even need it

[wheat plume]

I hate notches

[pale sigil]

Wot

[wheat plume]

Anyone know a good laptop for 500-600 dollars for college computer engineering??

[tropic nacelle]

The Xiaomi mi9T! I liked that phone, I loved the popup camera as it removed the shit cutout, so nice.

[latent mural]

Current DK61 £59.99 Bought a year ago

In about 3-4 months will try get a 60HE

[wheat plume]

Is a Ryzen 5 5500U or an Intel Core i5-1135G7 better in a laptop?

for comp engineering students

[gusty kiln]

Probably better battery life

[wheat plume]

what one?

they both have 8gb ram

which seems the limit for the budget :/

[gusty kiln]

The 5500u

[wheat plume]

basically
these two laptop

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/lenovo-yoga-6-13-3-wuxga-1920-x-1200-touch-2-in-1-laptop-ryzen-5-5500u-8gb-memory-256gb-ssd-dark-teal/6502221.p?skuId=6502221

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/lenovo-flex-5i-15-6-fhd-touch-screen-laptop-core-i5-1135g7-8gb-memory-256gb-ssd-graphite-grey/6502662.p?skuId=6502662

or this is they can stretch the budget a little
https://www.bestbuy.com/site/asus-vivobook-16-laptop-amd-ryzen-7-5800h-16gb-memory-512gb-ssd-quiet-blue/6512607.p?skuId=6512607

[gusty kiln]

The first one screen is way better for programmers

[wheat plume]

the Yoga?

[gusty kiln]

Yeah

16:10 to see more code

[gusty kiln]

This screen is hellla yikes

[wheat plume]

o?

[gusty kiln]

1600x768

[wheat plume]

OOHH

WTF

gross

[gusty kiln]

The first one seems to be the best choice

[wheat plume]

Yoga, got it

Unless someone can find a better one
Imma look into Walmart too

what other USA tech sites are there?

preferably can go into the store to buy it

[gusty kiln]

You have a microcenter near by?

[wheat plume]

idk if they do

but I was jusst thinking of that also

if they have a map of locations I could find out

[pale sigil]

@wheat plume don't ever get a U CPU

Fuck that

[wheat plume]

Walmart website is pure garbage

[gusty kiln]

Just Google map it

What about target

[wheat plume]

o, maybe

ill chekc both

[gusty kiln]

And costco

[wheat plume]

they are "fairly" close to a microcenter

[gusty kiln]

If you have a membership

[wheat plume]

TIL there is a place named Yonkers in New York :')

funny word

AND FLUSHING

WTF are new york names

[gusty kiln]

Flushing is basically chinatown

[wheat plume]

aha

[gusty kiln]

But with some korean and Japanese too

[wheat plume]

Why do most US stores seem to only stock the same Lenovo laptops and Microsoft Surface laptops?

[pale sigil]

OEM

[wheat plume]

https://www.microcenter.com/product/661672/lenovo-ideapad-3-15aba7-156-laptop-computer-blue

what about this?

[thick pine]

It’s Lenovo

[wheat plume]

yeh?

[pale sigil]

U

Don't get a U processor

[wheat plume]

why not?

[reef patrol]

no u!

[wheat plume]

xd

[reef patrol]

[wheat plume]

what about this? https://www.microcenter.com/product/662123/asus-vivobook-s-16x-160-laptop-computer-black

[gusty kiln]

Damn framework Laptops starts at 820

[wheat plume]

yeh ;-;

[gusty kiln]

Guess that's out of the question

[pale sigil]

And the lower tier ones are ooo

[thick pine]

.5 more GHz

@wheat plume

Stonks

[gusty kiln]

Still haven't said why

[wheat plume]

^

[pale sigil]

They are underpowered af

[wheat plume]

The microcenter favicon really reminds me of the Manjaro logo.... and idk how to feel about that

[pale sigil]

They are designed to be underpowered and optimized for battery.

Which is why you see them in cheaper laptops.

They aren't bad bad but they are also kinda shit

[gusty kiln]

What type of programming are they doing?

[thick pine]

Looks like the U stands for “ultra-low power”

That’s bad marketing

[pale sigil]

Oh they will definitely not like a U processor for programming

Lmao

[pale sigil]

No?

[thick pine]

Uh yes

[wheat plume]

Guys, I need help

they need to by monday

[pale sigil]

Laptops with these last quite long because the CPUs are incredibly optimized.

[thick pine]

Dur

Literally what it means

[pale sigil]

They are still decent for average people.

[gusty kiln]

Maybe a gaming laptop, unless they are going to be away from an outlet for a while

[wheat plume]

this is for college, so all day in classes and shit

[pale sigil]

They don't wanna game on it do they?

[wheat plume]

no

[reef patrol]

Ultra low power requirement* , referring to battery life. Not necessarily "Low powered, slow" (Though that inevitably follows to some level)

[pale sigil]

Look for last gen

[pale sigil]

U means slow CPU

Even if it's not official marketing

[wheat plume]

I NEED HELP DAMN IT

shush with the argument xd

[pale sigil]

Look for last gen.

Avoid U

[ashen spindle]

U is for power efficent and for budget laptops that is normal power range

[pale sigil]

Simple

[reef patrol]

That's basically what I alluded to, yes 🙂

[pale sigil]

Budget? @wheat plume

[wheat plume]

500-600 dollars

[gusty kiln]

Ewww surface go laptops are so small

[astral haven]

small is good for the kiddos

[wheat plume]

this is for a comp eng, not kiddos xd

[astral haven]

surface go is not good for engineering

lel

heck surface is not good at all for 600

[thick pine]

Asus

[astral haven]

id avoid the cheap asuses

[ashen spindle]

MSI

just listing brands doesnt do anything lol

[astral haven]

same for msi tbh lel

[gusty kiln]

600 is a rough price point

[astral haven]

^

[thick pine]

Noctua

[shadow minnow]

Oof the comments under that Luis rossman video are ridiculously crazy

The apple one

[astral haven]

how much does an ideapad 5 cost locally?

[thick pine]

Relax man we need to find a $600 laptop that can engineer things

[ashen spindle]

you could get an older lenovo idea pad for <400 that should be fine

[shadow minnow]

“I’d rather have - continuing to be created then have devices scanned for only it” is a direct quote.
Sure, it’s not mutually exclusive in reality but this is what someone said

[wheat plume]

its not for me, my sister's BF wants a laptop and they live in US

and I dont xd so IDK the prices there

[astral haven]

that doesnt change the question

[wheat plume]

i have no idea!

[astral haven]

then we cant help lmao

but the ideapad 5s are pretty good

[thick pine]

Tell him to get more skrilla

$600 is a meh laptop

[astral haven]

if they are too expensive its gonna be rough new

[wheat plume]

https://www.walmart.com/ip/Lenovo-IdeaPad-5-14-0-Laptop-Intel-Core-i5-1035G1-Quad-Core-Processor-8GB-Memory-256GB-Solid-State-Drive-Platinum-Grey-Windows-10-81YH0017US/530053697

this one?

[astral haven]

1035g1 yeowch
but yes that

thats now 2 gens old

[thick pine]

8gb of ram

256 storage

[astral haven]

ye
both upgradeable!

[wheat plume]

the only laptop I saw with 16GB in this price range was that vivobook with a 768p screen

[ashen spindle]

is a budget laptop not a threadripper workstation

[wheat plume]

this?https://www.microcenter.com/product/662123/asus-vivobook-s-16x-160-laptop-computer-black

[astral haven]

oh wait this is the ideapad 5 14 not the 15
seems it doesnt have upgradeable ram only storage

or is it 1 slot 8 soldered?

[gusty kiln]

Looks good to me

Screen is normal

300 off,

?

[pale sigil]

Is better

[gusty kiln]

Seems fish

[astral haven]

hard disagree lel

[gusty kiln]

Might be some odd flaw

[thick pine]

microcenter.com is fishy?

🤣🤣🤣

[gusty kiln]

The laptop

[wheat plume]

Microcenter has only one image for the laptops

[thick pine]

Looks like a good deal

That’s about it

[pale sigil]

It's better than 5500u

Linked before

[astral haven]

you always want to avoid compal whenever possible,

and the vivobooks are compal

[wheat plume]

https://www.microcenter.com/product/661672/lenovo-ideapad-3-15aba7-156-laptop-computer-blue

this?

[astral haven]

ideapad 3 definetly used to be pain

[thick pine]

It’s a U

Someone’s gonna have a conniption

[wheat plume]

U is better batter life though

good for classes

[pale sigil]

Better byt again

Potato

[astral haven]

i dunno the newer models, but they were definetly worse build quality

[thick pine]

And slow work speeds

[wheat plume]

but for basic coding and running it?

should be good

[pale sigil]

Good battery but slow speeds if you have more than a browser and discord open.

[wheat plume]

...hmmm

[astral haven]

definetly untrue lmao

[wheat plume]

cant be that slow

[astral haven]

uhhh
since when?

[thick pine]

Definitely true

It means ultra-low power

[astral haven]

its ryzen 3rd gen

[pale sigil]

Well it might be better now but a few years ago

Ooft I hated it

[astral haven]

you had a 5000 series ryzen u laptop?

[wheat plume]

ok ok
Microcenter, Best buy or Walmart
Ive looked there and sent options here

decide!

xd

[pale sigil]

No but I'm talking U series in general.

[gusty kiln]

It's probably plenty if he hasn't used anything else

[ashen spindle]

also intel U series != amd u series

literally not comparable

[pale sigil]

Wouldn't surprise me

[astral haven]

and amd 3000 and earlier u series was complete garbage

[ashen spindle]

yea

[astral haven]

5000 is awesome

6000 is alot more awesome but also expensive

[astral haven]

btw staples often has the best deals on cheap laptops

[wheat plume]

7 5825U
16GB Ram

[gusty kiln]

Is that an exclusive sku,

?

[astral haven]

again tho ideapad 3 will have serious chassis flex

they feel very noticeably cheap

the ideapad 5s feel nice

[wheat plume]

dafuq?

what it mean 4gb onboard and 4gb dimm?

[astral haven]

upgradeable 4gb dimm
soldered 4gb

[wheat plume]

oooh

[pale sigil]

I'm pretty sure Intel's U series is still much better than amds 5500u

That she linked

[astral haven]

vast overgeneralization

also intel killed the u series

[gusty kiln]

https://www.microcenter.com/product/649329/lenovo-ideapad-5-156-laptop-computer-blue

@wheat plume

[astral haven]

I like this one the most so far^

[pale sigil]

On about 12th gen tbf

[wheat plume]

though you hated U CPUs?

[astral haven]

since when?

[wheat plume]

yall saying they are low power

[astral haven]

low power doesnt mean low performance...

https://www.staples.com/lenovo-ideapad-5-15ial7-82sf-15-6-laptop-intel-i7-16gb-memory-512gb-ssd-windows-11-82sf000nus/product_24526651

[ashen spindle]

no call is the only one who said he hates it and that for no reason

[astral haven]

this will have better battery life but less performance

[gusty kiln]

Just pick either of those idealpad 5

[astral haven]

i use a 1065g7 laptop alot and its pretty nice
the only problem is that it drains its battery when shut off within a week

intel g series is the current successor to the u series

[pale sigil]

Ye so i5-1245U is on part or better in some cases than the 5625U Ryzen

[wheat plume]

is this keyboard backlit?

[pale sigil]

And that's one of Intel's I5 U CPUs lower end.

[gusty kiln]

Seems like it

It uses that keycaps that are translucent on the bottom half

[pale sigil]

So ye Ryzen U series doesn't seem as good as you're putting it.

Especially single core.

[astral haven]

lmao wut
6 zen 3 cores vs 2 p cores 8 e cores

[gusty kiln]

You have to remember power budget set by the laptop maker

[astral haven]

the zen 3 cores will win at everything besides cinebench

[pale sigil]

[ashen spindle]

did you look at userbenchmark for score or where did you compare them

[gusty kiln]

[wheat plume]

ok....so final answer

https://www.microcenter.com/product/649329/lenovo-ideapad-5-156-laptop-computer-blue this one?

[astral haven]

you laugh but userbenchmark is shockingly useful for laptops
it actually can tell you the relative performance of a laptop model compared to the average for that processor

[pale sigil]

Prob the best out of all of thwm linked

[wheat plume]

now im worried the keyboard isnt backlit cause id hate for it not to be

[pale sigil]

No, YouTube/some benchmarks I googled.

[pale sigil]

At this budget....

[gusty kiln]

I only laugh at the editorial, numbers don't lie though

[wheat plume]

my current laptop was cheaper and it is backlit

also has a 1TB ssd

[gusty kiln]

Think most are back lit other than entry level emmc equiped laptops

[astral haven]

this one is backlit

[wheat plume]

cool cool!

[astral haven]

and $600 us?

[wheat plume]

yeah 600 rn

theere is a sale going on it seems

[astral haven]

i dont believe you

unless used ofc

[pale sigil]

Was also a custom build

[wheat plume]

true

[astral haven]

-_-

[pale sigil]

OEM custom

[wheat plume]

well...."custom"
I choose the SSD capacity

[pale sigil]

Much cheaper materials etc

[wheat plume]

thats all the choice I had

the ssd

[astral haven]

you can get a 1tb laptop for $200 if you get a $100 crappo and upgrade it

[pale sigil]

It's custom to the company

They buy the same cased etc and just print their logo

And sell as DIY

[wheat plume]

I cant find this chassis on any OEM site though

[pale sigil]

Either way they get them cheap.

[astral haven]

oh hmm the mem might not be upgradeable on that amd laptop

[wheat plume]

its got 16, itll be fine

[gusty kiln]

https://youtu.be/NrKZeEmu6UA

[wheat plume]

this guy wanna get a desktop for gaming soon anyway, within the next year it seems

[gusty kiln]

[wheat plume]

cause hes a Playstation gamer 🤢

jk

[gusty kiln]

Hope it's more than 600 budget

[wheat plume]

yeh i hope so xd

[astral haven]

sweet its a 2280 nvme!

[gusty kiln]

Are ps5 still hard to come by?

[wheat plume]

the microcenter one?

[astral haven]

ye

[wheat plume]

ye but hes got a ps4

[astral haven]

it may have a tiny battery tho

so its gonna be efficient, but the battery life in hours wont be great

may want to invest in a battery bank that can power it

[wheat plume]

how many hours?

[astral haven]

heavily depends on the workload

[pale sigil]

And also windows sucks

[wheat plume]

^ but thats fixable

with Linux

and I know he wont do that :/

[astral haven]

yes and no

windows battery management is bad
but linux is not better

[gusty kiln]

57 whr apparently

[pale sigil]

Up to 14 hours according to marketing lol

[gusty kiln]

Not terrible

[wheat plume]

thats always an overstatement

id say maybe 9

at most

[pale sigil]

Hence "lol"

Nah I doubt you'll get 9hr

[wheat plume]

9 aint bad though

gets you through classes for the day

and charge at home for homework

[astral haven]

and you can 3x that with a battery under $100

[wheat plume]

hhm

sooooo

go suggest a better laptop

cause idk man

[gusty kiln]

Is it usbc pd charging?

Just get that one

[wheat plume]

seems so, I cant find a barrel plug on the photos sooo

but I also cant zoom in on the photos

[astral haven]

https://a.co/d/h6CEaYd
I bought one of these

the ideapad 3s usually have a barrel plug + usb c
the ideapad 5 seems to have 2 usb c

[wheat plume]

this seems 2 USB A, 2 USB C, HDMI, SD card, headphone jack

[astral haven]

this will charge it a bit over 1.5 times

[gusty kiln]

Unless the classroom is old af, should be able to charge during class

[wheat plume]

Yeah, we had chargers in our college rooms but only if you sat in the correct two seats

the other seats couldnt reach them

[pale sigil]

That's weird

[wheat plume]

Unless you bent down under the desk to unplug a monitor

[pale sigil]

That's what I did

[wheat plume]

same xd

[astral haven]

the really janky part of this battery tho is that it can be charged while powering a device

so it can act as a disposable ups

[wheat plume]

how is that jank?

sounds useful

[astral haven]

it doesnt have a ups relay

[wheat plume]

o

so its not meant to be able to do that?

so this is the final answer? locking it in ???

https://www.microcenter.com/product/649329/lenovo-ideapad-5-156-laptop-computer-blue

[pale sigil]

You didn't give many options so yes

[wheat plume]

well, I said any US site that you can visit in store

sooo idk

[pale sigil]

Also fu apple

[wheat plume]

and the price range

[astral haven]

its meant to be able to do that, but its really destructive to the battery

[wheat plume]

ah...

[pale sigil]

This is how you add a camera to a laptop

Without needing a notch

[astral haven]

the camera is garbo

[pale sigil]

Idc

[astral haven]

well apple does care

[pale sigil]

Better than having a notch

[astral haven]

thats an opinion

[pale sigil]

Sure

[astral haven]

technically, the apple camera is alooot better
much larger sensor, higher res, etc

[wheat plume]

ive disabled the camera on my laptop in BIOS

[astral haven]

the lenovos have a physical switch

[wheat plume]

yeah, im jealous

Is there a way to make Neofetch display RAM in GB instead of MiB?

[pale sigil]

Yes

[wheat plume]

the solution I found online involves changing the code and recompiling it

[pale sigil]

Not all of them?

[astral haven]

the ideapads do

[pale sigil]

Ah

Well

You said Lenovos

Fite me

Oh it's in the keyboard

[astral haven]

depends on the model

[wheat plume]

my life rn

[wheat plume]

fucking hell
WordPerfect was 500 dollars back in the days of OS/2

and today we have multiple pretty decent office suites for free

🤔 I see

[astral haven]

our company is paying 5 digits anually for office licenses for less than 10% of our users...

[wheat plume]

Wow

[empty wren]

Mone y saving

To be honest quite sad they could not just be allowed access to it

Like how it is now

[astral haven]

btw there are carve outs for a bunch of those laws for education

dmca has large carveouts for schools

[empty wren]

Except when a Disney movie is shown for a fundraisers

[astral haven]

you obviously cant accept money for it lel

[pale sigil]

In terms of os piracy Windows 7 was the first... In terms of movies as shit, god knows... All I remember was the advice "don't download 720p, they aren't much different to 480p" when 720p was becoming a thing more often with rips?

[astral haven]

ive never pirated windows
just used the free trial lel

[pale sigil]

I did because I was a kid with a vista machine

[empty wren]

I still will watch anime in 480p

[pale sigil]

My previous machines game with xp etc

95/98

[ashen spindle]

same, cant even show it because the watermark takes ages to appear sometimes

[pale sigil]

But Windows 7 was new/fresh and I had no license.

[frozen ingot]

I member the age of vhs and dvdrips

[pale sigil]

Now I've always owned Windows though college or uni

[frozen ingot]

or the dreaded camrip

[gusty kiln]

Still plenty of those with new movies

[pale sigil]

I have like 5 W10 keys and similar numbers for every OS

[empty wren]

I remember Mexican selling new movies in sleeves near the laundry mat

[frozen ingot]

that shit looked terrible in 1999, why would you subject yourself to it now

[empty wren]

Funny thing is I do not think I saw it as bad then but today yep horrendous

[gusty kiln]

Direct to steaming movies are great for the ole pirates

[pale sigil]

That's just life in general

And progress lol

[frozen ingot]

never liked the camrips, those divx dvdrips or even vhs rips looked great at the time for most part

[pale sigil]

Just like I can't use android tablets after using an iPad for 5 years

[empty wren]

Probably company bulk keys?

[pale sigil]

Students get windows for free depending on if the uni has a subscription.

[frozen ingot]

nowadays looking at vhs rips and I'm like dear god its so horrible

[pale sigil]

Or college

[empty wren]

Wow legitimate windows keys alright then

[gusty kiln]

I had a free windows 8 and 10 license from uni

[pale sigil]

In my case both college and uni were part of dreamspark

[empty wren]

Would probably be windows 10s a few years back

[pale sigil]

Lol I have like 5 pages of keys

If just ms products

Hell I even have windows server keys

[wheat plume]

We got Word subscription for free

[astral haven]

heck ye

[wheat plume]

But not windows xd

[empty wren]

That I think is fairly recent

[pale sigil]

I grabbed every single possible key I could and write them down in Google docs

[frozen ingot]

had a few craxxed XP and vista/7 installs but not for like a decade now

[pale sigil]

That's completely separate

That's just office365 or w.e it's called for business

[astral haven]

missed with the reply lel

[empty wren]

Microsoft 365

[pale sigil]

Oops

Ah it got renamed

https://azureforeducation.microsoft.com/en-us/Institutions

Technically I have a login still

So I should try get windows 11 keys

[empty wren]

It probably might still work unless your university email got shut down

[pale sigil]

Nope

It's a weird situation but works

And also my sister has hers it still

[empty wren]

Do not worry they will notice in a year or so

[slate solar]

[pale sigil]

I left in 2018

[empty wren]

I mean year or so after you try using it for that

[shadow minnow]

Lol 4090 down to 1700€ for one model already

[empty wren]

My dad had his university account many years later

Then I asked him if I could borrow it since I did not know I could sign up with my middle/high school email for it

It worked fine with his for a few years

But I think they wanted to shut down his account after that time probably for that

[tropic nacelle]

Those were the days! I remember before it was dreams park they had unlimited licenses on the portal my uni used, grabbed all those windows 7, 8 and 10 licenses along with VS studio and some other things.

I miss the student days, loved all the discounts and free keys haha

[pale sigil]

It was dreamspark before w8 came out

[sharp badger]

https://www.coolermaster.com/catalog/power-supplies/v-series/v-sfx-platinum-1100/ New SFX PSU 🤔

[gusty kiln]

bequiet makes the best looking PSUs

[fickle ore]

https://www.guru3d.com/news-story/be-quiet-releases-dark-power-13-atx-3-power-supply-with-80-plus-titanium-rating.html I'm thinking abt buying this

either 750w or 850w

[gusty kiln]

Hawt

shame the microcenter I went to didn't have bequiet at the time

ended up with a RM750x

[fickle ore]

First atx 3.0 titanium btw

havent seen any reviews tho

[gusty kiln]

850w with the ever increasing power budget of gpus

dunno about those spikes though

[fickle ore]

Yeah I g

850w enough for a 4080/4070 ti/rtx 7800/7900?

[gusty kiln]

apparently igor's lab tested a 7900xtx with a 750W

damn, dunno how well my RM750x handles transient spikes

https://tpucdn.com/review/asus-geforce-rtx-4070-ti-tuf/images/power-spikes.png

👀

[ashen spindle]

4090 can run on a 650w just fine if you just power limit it

[gusty kiln]

seems like both companies tamed the spikes better compared to previous gen

"budget"

but yeah the good 4090s are probably 2K

[nimble nymph]

i was about to ask where you getting budget 4090s

[gusty kiln]

budget = msrp

[nimble nymph]

oh true

[fickle ore]

what are the spikes on a 1µs scale? Are they larger? 😄

[gusty kiln]

would need to search other reviews

[ashen spindle]

be like me and get a 600w vbios card and limit it to 350w

[gusty kiln]

wait you bought a 4090?

[fickle ore]

We can't all be rich ;_;

We buy 350w cards instead!

[ashen spindle]

~~scammed ~~ convinced work to use the budget that needed to be spend last year into a pc upgrade for me, I just use it out of office hours for personal use too xD

[gusty kiln]

kek

the most I can stomach on a GPU is 700 USD atm

[crisp granite]

I find 1k CAD to be my limit

[gusty kiln]

I mean I can easily afford a 4090, but I can't see myself doing it

[crisp granite]

anything more than that makes my stomach turn

also helps that I just...don't see the value in a 4090 lol

[gusty kiln]

kek

same

[fickle ore]

700€ about where my limit too, so basically 600$ muricapennies

[ashen spindle]

now I just need to wait like 6 years for cpus to catch up lol

[still loom]

I'm happy with my 3080 almost 2 and a half years after getting it 😅

[gusty kiln]

nvidia driver overhead

[ashen spindle]

no, just cpu bottleneck for mmos xD

[fickle ore]

called nvda driver overhead on the other hand

😛

[gusty kiln]

you def getting a 7000X3D?

[ashen spindle]

idk need to see how well it does

[gusty kiln]

MMO bitches love X3D

[fickle ore]

Dnno if it works for all mmos?

[gusty kiln]

well at least for the popular ones like WoW

and FF

[fickle ore]

Alright

[ashen spindle]

need to see if someone else gets one and drag them into the content I do and see if it helps xD

doesnt matter if it scales better in areas where I dont drop below 60 xD

[fickle ore]

r there any ffxiv raid tests with a 7900xtx vs 4080/90?

[ashen spindle]

nah just tests for the endwalker benchmark

[fickle ore]

Meh

How hard can it be to like uhh gather data during raids with different compositions and few plots in excel after a month or so xD

[ashen spindle]

having the time for it

having it be reproduceable and reliable

[gusty kiln]

basically like trying to bench a BR

[fickle ore]

Don't even need reproduceable, since the raids are long enough to generate a very good average. Just need .. design it well beforehand..

[ashen spindle]

I mean, heavy variance depending on what classes are played means you see different effects

[fickle ore]

Na, raids are quite static

[ashen spindle]

or are very different from how people play with the amount of effects

also good luck having 47 other people be ready and do it consistently xD

[fickle ore]

Raiding with a static should have 90% of the usual composition since everyone's on their mains. Just need one or two of each fight with each pc part composition.

But I guess easier said than done 😄

[vagrant pagoda]

Lma0

https://interestingengineering.com/transportation/us-startups-bladeless-vtol-can-reach-up-to-08-mach

"According to the company, the system combines a gas or electric turbine"

I guess turbines have no blades now?

[thick pine]

Iron man irl soon

[thick pine]

And a turbine is just an engine homie

[vagrant pagoda]

Turbines have blades

[thick pine]

No

Not all of them

[vagrant pagoda]

Lmao

[thick pine]

Most do

[vagrant pagoda]

Show me one

[thick pine]

Wym you just shared an article of one

Just look up turbine 🤣

[vagrant pagoda]

Turbines by definition have blades

That's why I was laughing

It doesn't have blades on the outside

[thick pine]

No it doesn’t

[vagrant pagoda]

But it has blades on the inside

[thick pine]

Sure, a lot of things do

“Blade-less” fans do

[vagrant pagoda]

Please show me a turbine with no blades

Bladeless fans have a fan inside the base

They work the same as that uav

[astral haven]

bladeless fans have blades on the inside

its just marketing bs

[thick pine]

That’s what I just fucking said

[vagrant pagoda]

They have an internal fan that moves air out of the back of the airfoil which uses venturi effect to pull more air

So it isn't bladeless

[thick pine]

Sure it is

[vagrant pagoda]

It literally has blades

[thick pine]

It doesn’t have any blade sound when taking off

That’s the point

[astral haven]

neither does a normal jet engine

[thick pine]

Well that has combustion noise

[astral haven]

it still has blades

[thick pine]

This has neither

[vagrant pagoda]

Yes it dose

I'll bet thousands of dollars you can hear the tiny tubine

They are insanely loud

I've been around large radio jets

They are 190+db

[astral haven]

ye the bladeless fans are just marketing bs that prevents kids from sticking their fingers in a blade

[vagrant pagoda]

Now is it quieter than a normal turbo fan sure

But it ain't quiet

[thick pine]

Lower thermals

Lower noise

No shit you can hear it 🤣

[vagrant pagoda]

I mean

Going from 190 to 180 db is order of magnitude more quiet

[thick pine]

But when they measure the noise level at distance they know how far they can be away and not be detected

[vagrant pagoda]

Both will damage your ears

[astral haven]

both will damage your entire body lmao

limit of noise in air is only a bit over 150 before its considered an explosion not a sound

[thick pine]

Wtf are you talking about

[vagrant pagoda]

He's right

I meant 140-130

[thick pine]

Bro I don’t care

That is a stealth vtol

[vagrant pagoda]

Decibel are logarithmic so 190 is an insane amount of power

[thick pine]

???????????

[astral haven]

krakatoa was 172db and was the loudest registered "noise" on earth

[shadow minnow]

What GPU do I get as just a temporary GPU to play hogwarts legacy

[still loom]

4090

Idk tbh, the recommended specs for the game are pretty high, even though they reduced/changed them recently because of controversy

To play it at a decent fps/res you probably want a 3070+/6800

[sharp badger]

https://www.digitaltrends.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/hogwarts-legacy-pc-requirements-1.jpg

https://www.digitaltrends.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/hogwarts-legacy-pc-requirements-2.jpg

[still loom]

Ultra settings at 1440p at 60fps is 2080Ti minimum

[shadow minnow]

A temporary GPU

[still loom]

Yeah, buy it, play the game, return it

I'm kidding btw xD

[sharp badger]

I linked all the requirements there

[still loom]

It seems like it will be a very taxing game

[shadow minnow]

I mean I could but

[shadow minnow]

Yes. But I wonder what to actually get

[sharp badger]

Also seems like Max ram speed on these X3Ds are 5200MHz, i guess that the extra Cache don't need faster speeds? https://www.amd.com/en/products/apu/amd-ryzen-9-7950x3d

[still loom]

Kind of a weird time to buy a temporary GPU to run a AAA game tbh

Who knows when lower end Nvidia and AMD cards will release

Meaning that whatever you bought could just drop value

[sharp badger]

Yeah depends what settings you'd want and why Temporary? Could get something from the Used market or maybe get a deal on a new GPU

[still loom]

That's fine just adjust the CAS to better timings

[shadow minnow]

Thinking of used, temporary because until summer holidays at least I won’t get to use the pc for more than two weeks

[still loom]

You can still use 6000+hz RAM, just adjust to 5200 and tighter timings

[shadow minnow]

And rn GPU market sucks

[sharp badger]

Ok and yeah, might be a few mining cards around too in the used market

[ashen spindle]

play it on geforce streaming that is a 4080 level card on the premium tier

[sharp badger]

Could also work

[ashen spindle]

better than getting a temp card

also

https://twitter.com/aschilling/status/1616410581291995140

Andreas Schilling 🇺🇦 (@aschilling)

Krisfix might have found the reason: Lots of those defect cards do origin the same seller. Presumably mining cards, which have been stored incorrectly or under too high humidity. High humidity in the package can result in the GPU popping up.

https://t.co/QXAhfIgxVs

Twitter · Jan 20, 2023, 12:21 PM

buT AmD DrIVerS

[still loom]

Ah yeah GeForce Now could work

If they have the game 😅

[sharp badger]

https://www.reddit.com/r/GeForceNOW/comments/10bjd74/hogwarts_legacy/ welp

[shadow minnow]

And my wifi is slow

[ashen spindle]

then the best temporary thing is to get a ps5 and play it on that

[still loom]

I mean... you could just wait until summer to play it 😅

[shadow minnow]

That’s too expensive again

[ashen spindle]

youre not running that game on a cheaper card than an ps5 on your monitor setup lol

[shadow minnow]

Used 1080 ti looks like May be for 220€

[still loom]

You won't be able to get a temporary GPU that runs that game well for cheap

[shadow minnow]

I don’t have to run at marine resolution

Or too well

Just temporary

[ashen spindle]

then sell your monitor and you have more money lmfao

[shadow minnow]

It’s not that I don’t have money just don’t want to waste it

And prototype monitor may not be easy to sell lol

[ashen spindle]

well if its temporary you'd sell the gpu afterwards for some slight loss in money only?

[shadow minnow]

Hmm should try that

I mean I could get a 4090 and return in 14 days but uh that would be not a nice thing

Though who is gonna stop me

[still loom]

Or a 4080 which might be easier to get

Or the 7900XT

Those cards are fairly easier to get

[shadow minnow]

4090s are easy to get here too, just don’t want to do that

Gigabyte 4090 is for 1700€ in one small store with solid reputation

And 3 pieces still in stock

[sharp badger]

But sometimes there's a lot of bugs when they release games so could be better to wait until the summer until they've fixed a few of them?

[shadow minnow]

Not just sometimes

[sharp badger]

Yeah well Cyberpunk(Personally didn't have any problems other than some wierd dialog bug) , The Callisto Protocol etc. 🙄

[shadow minnow]

10 years early access

[old marlin]

same with cyberpunk

literally one problem

that was me skipping a checkpoint because I took a weird route in an indoor mission near the end

[sharp badger]

https://youtu.be/YGxTnGEAx3E Kinda interesting (Have probably been posted but did just watch it)

[still loom]

Only issues I had on release were Jackie walked through my car and sometimes on the highway the cars would drive against the side wall 😂

Other than that it was ok, ran fine

[ashen spindle]

interresting tech yes, but mixed opinions on if it would actually work well or is a startup that tries to be bought up and cant actually make it work properly

because one thing that gets ignored is the power you put in vs the power you put in for a fan to get the same result

this takes like 3x as much

[sharp badger]

Yeah for sure, time will tell 😀

[tropic nacelle]

Are you just going by AMD website as that's just the official "stock" supported memory speed, all Zen 4 chips are that speed.

Most have a decent enough memory controller to do 6000 though. The controller shouldn't be any different for x3d as it's the same chip so I doubt this is any different

[sharp badger]

Yeah was going by their site and not thinking of the OC part at that moment 🤦‍♂️

[wheat plume]

The Manjaro and Microcenter logos are very similar

[pale sigil]

Hardly

[ashen spindle]

https://twitter.com/techpowerup/status/1616459980734971904

TechPowerUp (@TechPowerUp)

PSA: Intel i226-V 2.5GbE on Raptor Lake Motherboards Has a Connection Drop Issue: No Fix Available https://t.co/Eyt8nOHMd2

Twitter · Jan 20, 2023, 3:37 PM

well guess I now know what a friends internet issues where that he had recently lol

[reef patrol]

RIP any motherboard with this chip

[wheat plume]

https://youtu.be/_Wmj5FHbJHg

o.o

this car is whacky overkill

it comes with a damn tablet hidden in the back seats to act as a control for all the cars features

[reef patrol]

tablet controlled car

Pass.

[vagrant pagoda]

@astral haven so Wendell said that x670 supports multiple chipsets daisy chained OR direct to CPU

[astral haven]

Yes?

[wheat plume]

Optionally tablet controlled

[vagrant pagoda]

You could replace the x4 nvme link with the second chipsets if you are only using 4.0 nvme

[wheat plume]

keep it forever prisoned in the back seats if you wanna

[vagrant pagoda]

It's a shame it's only 4.0 chipset to cpu

[astral haven]

Physical capability is not the same as what amd allows

[vagrant pagoda]

Would be cool to see a x670 ws board with both chipsets direct to CPU and 4 x8 slots

[astral haven]

It would be cool to see a board with even 1 x8 from the chipset 😦

[vagrant pagoda]

As I would imagine x670 will be 5.0 to chipset

[ashen spindle]

what about threadripper boards with more than two chipsets or two directly from the cpu lots of options there

[vagrant pagoda]

I mean tr pro doesn't need multiple chipsets lol

[astral haven]

How about a threadripper board with 0 chipsets lel

[vagrant pagoda]

All the lanes

Normal TR has a different io die than epic so it needs a chipset

[astral haven]

Nope

[vagrant pagoda]

Idk if pro dose too

But with TR there are a ton more power pins

[astral haven]

🤷 that sounds incorrect
But even if it is correct, regular tr doesn't need many of the pcie and memory pins

[shadow minnow]

Why is Nvidia so dumb

[astral haven]

why is apple so dumb

[shadow minnow]

No but I mean in am actually dumb way

Apple does bad things for profit

Nvidia tries, but then doesn’t get the profit

[astral haven]

apple does bad things stubbornly too

[shadow minnow]

Yes but not that stubbornly when it comes to monetary stuff imo as this GPU launch

[astral haven]

what

[shadow minnow]

Well nvidia current GPU pricing is bad for both customers and nvidia

[astral haven]

🤷 it is what it is

these big dies are costing more and more to make...

[shadow minnow]

Fortunately 4080 die is much smaller than 3080

So even with it being better process it unlikely costs nvidia more

[astral haven]

its also nearly double the price

[shadow minnow]

Doubt that tbh

[astral haven]

samsung 8nm is near half the price per wafer compared to tsmc 7nm

8k vs 16k per wafer at the time

[shadow minnow]

Okay that’s confusing

Thrice as much but then the numbers say it’s less than twice as much

[ashen spindle]

google results wont tell you accurate numbers for that

[shadow minnow]

Yeah

[astral haven]

^

[shadow minnow]

But also smaller dies have less waste

[astral haven]

the 3080 was downright well priced at msrp

[shadow minnow]

It was

4080 is not

[astral haven]

these dies are still gigantic relatively speaking

[astral haven]

remember 5nm is more expensive than 7nm pretty significantly
and 4nm is more expensive than that

3080 was also waste dies for a 3090

4080 is competing against the laptop 4090 in terms of using up dies so the price cant be that low

and the 4080 isnt waste dies from laptop 4090s, they are the same die just with different power targets

[still loom]

The naming scheme is shifted

4080 is 3090, 4070 is 3080

[astral haven]

tbh not really

its just the prices

the 4080 is not a flagship

[still loom]

It's not

[astral haven]

heck the 4090 also isnt gonna be the generational flagship

[still loom]

But the chip costs more than last years flagship is what I'm saying

[ashen spindle]

it did move but in the opposite way of what you listed as examples xD

oh price wise, yea

[still loom]

So it's basically a 3090 class card

[astral haven]

no

[still loom]

The new 90 series is a class of it's own

[astral haven]

its priced like that

but the msrp is meaningless

the 3090 was alot more expensive than the 4090 is

only scarey part is that nvidia isnt lying about the msrp this time around

[still loom]

Regardless, the 3080 didn't match up to AMDs best card last year

The 4080 does

[ashen spindle]

the 4080 die is the 103 config, which is usually <xx80 card and prices went higher

[astral haven]

thats debateable

[still loom]

It's a new naming scheme

[still loom]

Debateable in maybe 2 or 3 games

[astral haven]

its literally not...

[still loom]

I have a 3080

[astral haven]

all rtx games you mean

thats nearing 100 games at this point...

[still loom]

You're not listening to my point of view

[astral haven]

im listening

but im not hearing anything new

[still loom]

The 4080 is on par with AMDs best card, the 3080 was not

Therefore they have shifted the naming scheme

The 4090 is a new class

[astral haven]

again thats debateable

and that most certainly wasnt true when the 3080 released

[ashen spindle]

I dont think they shifted naming when they definitely didn't have enough info on amds cards when they made the naming lol

ignoring the performance argument

[astral haven]

^

7900xtx was rumored to be alot better than it ended up being

[still loom]

I'm sure they know more than you think

[ashen spindle]

that was decided well before launch and at that time I really doubt even nvidia with more inside info had known the letdown of rdna3 when that had to have happened to amd themselves only a few months prior to launch

[still loom]

The chips are made in the same place

[astral haven]

^

thats not how that works

[still loom]

How do you think leakers have info before the announcement?

[ashen spindle]

tsmc aint risking their entire business for useless rumours lol

leaks dont come from tsmc

[astral haven]

^^^

^

leaks come from aibs only

[ashen spindle]

thats from aibs, packaging plants and such

[still loom]

If you think that AMD and Nvidia know nothing about eachothers release months before then you are ignorant to the market

[astral haven]

and both nvidia and amd lie hardcore to their aibs

[astral haven]

strawman

[ashen spindle]

I'm saying AMD themselves thought rdna3 was higher performance than it is just some months before launch, so how would nvidia know it before them lol

[astral haven]

^^^

[ashen spindle]

the v/f issue that fucks over clocks was something they did not find till late and couldn't attempt to respin

so unless on like day1 that leaks out

nvidia wouldn't have known that

[still loom]

They have knowledge of power, chip size, chip nm

They make educated guesses based on those

[astral haven]

and importantly not performance

[still loom]

Nvidia use a better process than AMD this year, whereas the previous gen AMD was using better nm architecture

[ashen spindle]

yes and based on the educated guesses N31 is on par or beating the 4090 lol

[still loom]

They knew that would be the case

[ashen spindle]

5nm and 4nm of tsmc are almost identical

[still loom]

They are both 5nm

4N on Nvidia isn't 4nm

[astral haven]

the 1080ti was priced expecting vega to compete with it
look where that ended up...

[still loom]

It's 5nm