835 btw
#๐โtech
old marlin
for a sound profile I am not super fond of
and they only have the ranger and velocity left
not the VF-19
vagrant pagoda
So I have decided to do an experiment with my case
I ordered a o11 front mount GPU bracket for my torrent
That will stick the GPU right into the 180s
As I have the morpheus cooler on it with no fans
There is enough space for a cable grommet that can pass an HDMI/display port cable next to the PSU, and there is the giant hole in the top of the case under the lid
So with the lid off access to the GPU IO will be perfect
pale sigil
Go home apple you're drunk
empty wren
Angry Maio is the one who made the cyber board with crap pcb tracing right?
wheat plume
Yes
vagrant pagoda
That apple money spends the best
wheat plume
Apparently there is a Chromecast YT app startup noise
I have a Chromecast. Ive used Youtube on it many times and NEVER hard that sound WTF
timestamped to the sound
vagrant pagoda
Maybe it's only on the new gtv cc?
wheat plume
maybe but they said its on Chromecasts, the never mentioned what gen
reef patrol
Chromecasts generally turn on before your TV is done.
So makes sense you never heard it.
wheat plume
no no, its for when youtube opens
not when the chromecast starts
but ive never ever heard it before on my one
reef patrol
Yeah mine doesn't do that - Ever.
vagrant pagoda
maybe but they said its on Chromecasts, the never mentioned what gen
Yeah but the new cc are just Google tvs
But they work like Chromecast too
wheat plume
oohh
wheat plume
Playing games?
please dont tell me that was using Stadia LOL
The website is even using Material You theme...this is so pretty
vagrant pagoda
Google tv is android
It's literally what android tv became
You can connect Bluetooth controllers to it
wheat plume
ooo and stream games from PC using some app?
Isnt Moonlight going to be dead soon? ;-;
vagrant pagoda
Google stopped letting oems customize the ui and renamed it Google tv
vagrant pagoda
Isnt Moonlight going to be dead soon? ;-;
Nvidia game streaming was always just software
There are open source alternatives
wheat plume
oo ok
vagrant pagoda
And also just steam streaming
wheat plume
His reaction to the Steam Big Picture Mode startup sound
im assuming its the sound but im not sure
....bruh I was wrong
its PS2
ashen spindle
Hahaha press release only
Same node still
Man they basically talk about nothing
No big benchmark where itโs better at all
guess that means this year laptops with phoenix/dragon range are likely the better options for most cases if laptop makers manage to use good screens and such lol
did expect a bit more tbh
vagrant pagoda
No big benchmark where itโs better at all
I mean m1 scaled very linearly
No reason m2 wont
No major need for benchmarks their early
ashen spindle
yes there is, more cores and no BW increase
vagrant pagoda
yes there is, more cores and no BW increase
Reread
M2 is 100gb/s
M2 pro is 200GB/s
M2 Max is 400GB/s
ashen spindle
its the same comapred to m1pro/max
vagrant pagoda
Yeah and it was only 66 to 100 from m1 to m2
Which is only because everything other than the m1 got 6400mt ddr5
M1 was ddr4
ashen spindle
this is a full on release, yet basically no usefull info lol
oh I guess they added DSC so I bet bexin now thinks its amazing technology 
vagrant pagoda
And m1 vs m2 is mostly power
Plus 2 GPU cores
The biggest thing m2 did was pro res hardware
But that is already in the m1 pro and m1 max
vagrant pagoda
But yeah it's all power efficiency improvements
reef patrol
2019 was their last Intel
vagrant pagoda
since in the sildes it just said intel i9
Touchbar had skylake
The i9 that is slower than the i7 model
Because thermal throttle
The i9 couldn't even hit base clock under all core
Topkek
ashen spindle
vagrant pagoda
I mean m2 pro mini sounds fun
ashen spindle
the mini looks like its a good deal surprisingly
vagrant pagoda
I wish you could get a m1/m2 iMac with touch
It would be the best all in one then
ashen spindle
just the "leadership" technology looking questionable with another chip with barely any iprovement
vagrant pagoda
just the "leadership" technology looking questionable with another chip with bar...
I mean
open wedge
theres no laptop with a comparable screen and not for the price point, hell it was a challenge to find something comparable for a gaming pc
vagrant pagoda
theres no laptop with a comparable screen and not for the price point, hell it w...
Screw the screen, nothing comes close for battery life in the ultrabooks
There are 100wh laptops that have a hard time keeping up
ashen spindle
well sure, screens is what apple did right from the start, laptop makers just fail at that, but that's not really realted to the soc performance
open wedge
they also suck at trackpads xD
ashen spindle
and I think there will be rpl/phenoix/dragonrange/mtl laptops that catch up to the lead
open wedge
and uhm the rest of the notebook
open wedge
the eu should mandate that no screens should lack 1600 nits and high dpi
who cares about charging cables
old marlin
open wedge
going from mac to gaming pc feels like visiting the stone age
vagrant pagoda
But for productivity the m1/m2 air is king
ashen spindle
lol
vagrant pagoda
Yeah
Because it's fractional silicon
The max has more memeort channels
Hence double the bandwidth
old marlin
so uhhh
ashen spindle
no the pro has enough memory controllers for 96gb
old marlin
will M3 be more efficient?
vagrant pagoda
no the pro has enough memory controllers for 96gb
You don't get bigger chips you get more chips
Oh
It's max vs max
Or pro vs max
Can you order the full fat max with only 32gb?
ashen spindle
time to check
reef patrol
no the pro has enough memory controllers for 96gb
Are we SURE about that - And that is isn't just Apple not bothering to make a model with the added RAM? 
vagrant pagoda
This is a max vs max
ashen spindle
that is my point, the chip could do it they just dont want to make that combination a sku
vagrant pagoda
So that was incorrect
ashen spindle
full max can have 32gb
vagrant pagoda
that is my point, the chip could do it they just dont want to make that combinat...
No the pro has less channels than the max
ashen spindle
vagrant pagoda
As it's all soldered ram
ashen spindle
vagrant pagoda
But it's dumb to not off the 96 on the lower max
If you're gonna offer 32 in the big boi
reef patrol
Stepladder marketing.
vagrant pagoda
But at the end of the day
reef patrol
Keep giving customer another step to go up.
empty wren
Proappfionals
ashen spindle
its not the most common usecase sure, should still be an option since you cant do it yourself if you would need an upgrade
vagrant pagoda
*Proappfionals*
No the get min it max spec
If you look at used m1 studios for sale lol
Or mbp
No in-between
ashen spindle
also looks like apple compared some of the productivity things vs the quadro rtx 6000
that is turing...
vagrant pagoda
If there was game streaming over TB via dma I'd probably run a m1 mini as a desktop
vagrant pagoda
also looks like apple compared some of the productivity things vs the quadro rtx...
I mean a a6000 cost more than an entire ultra studio
vagrant pagoda
I know
I'm saying it's price comparable
You wouldn't compare a m2 to a desktop flagship quadro
Due to cost
ashen spindle
Testing was conducted by Apple in November and December 2022 using preproduction 16-inch MacBook Pro systems with Apple M2 Max, 12-core CPU, 38-core GPU, 96GB of RAM, and 8TB SSD, as well as a production Intel Core i9-based PC system with NVIDIA Quadro RTX 6000 graphics with 24GB GDDR6
vagrant pagoda
Again the only thing above a quadro 6000 is an a 6000
So what else is apple going to do
A 6000 is 4 grand msrp
The same price as a m1 ultra studio
ashen spindle
urgh its impossible to find some good numbers with them having the same name for different stuff so much
hate these stupid names
vagrant pagoda
Yes its fucking dumb
ashen spindle
urgh I give up
ashen spindle
cant find good comparisons for a5500 or so which should be above that too since its ampere
vagrant pagoda
There is no a100 yet
ashen spindle
4090 in laptop will also only be 4080 not ada102
shadow minnow
The cheapest Mac mini doesnโt look bad
vagrant pagoda
4090 in laptop will also only be 4080 not ada102
Quadro are full fat
So a laptop a6000 will be still a ada102
ashen spindle
so far yes, could still change though
ashen spindle
The cheapest Mac mini doesnโt look bad
have you seen they have DSC now, embrace the tech
shadow minnow
Looks like the hdmi is finally 2.1?
reef patrol
https://twitter.com/Jon_Christian/status/1615364539083636742
https://twitter.com/Jon_Christian/status/1615368084503642120
Twitter
Oh boy! AI writing!
ashen spindle
I mean that makes sense because that comparison graph is dumb
most of nvidias people are software devs for very specific fields
gusty kiln
Yeah
reef patrol
That's just makes it worse ๐
gusty kiln
Needs intel and amd on the chart
ashen spindle
where it's taken a while longer to get that on more qual footing
pale sigil
Issue would be the fields
During uni there was a huge campaign to for women and computer science etc
ashen spindle
That's just makes it worse ๐
not really its comparing tech companies but they basically have no common sector where people work in
pale sigil
The ratio of female to male applicants were so vastly different.... Most classes had a handful of females Vs males.
On my class there were around 6 out of 30 something members....
reef patrol
not really its comparing tech companies but they basically have no common sector...
The chart is supposed to show diversity - You're just digging the hole deeper. These are not inclusive fields. nVidia and friends have real issues with this issue.
Doesn't mean that nVidia is a worse company than say Netflix. Just shows they haven't done much to encourage change (as a whole on an industry level)
I get what you're saying though - Apples and Oranges.
ashen spindle
yes they are not inclusive fields that is known, but it basically compares a company that almost exclusively has employees in that field with companies that have a lot of other fields of employees
since it specifies in tech companies it implies its a comparable thing when it's not really
reef patrol
It's not like Netflix, Meta and so forth aren't mostly programmers anyway ๐
cursive summit
On my class there were around 6 out of 30 something members....
Not any different in this part of the world
gusty kiln
Intel at 25.8%
cursive summit
Here anything related to engineering, including software engineering, has the female/male gender split at like 20/80%
gusty kiln
So nvidia is the lowest out of the big 3
cursive summit
In medical studies it's the opposite, like 80/20%
Looking into these stats and blaming those companies for hiring one gender and the other makes no sense, females just don't take software engineering studies that often
Also who hires for gender instead of proficiency and qualifications?
gusty kiln
I mean no one is debating that
open wedge
PEOI
open wedge
bad keyboard xD
cursive summit
That doesn't seem like an acronym for bad keyboard
open wedge
people think that companies don't hire female engineers because they would rather take the male choice if they have one
my good keyboard doesn't come until march xD
cursive summit
Idk what company you run but I'm clearly taking the person that's more qualified for the job
tropic nacelle
The problem is context, nothing wrong with hiring more women or men as long as they are the correct candidate for the job.
A lot of netflix stuff will be management and coms doing deals so no doubt there is less male dominated roles compared to say Nvidia.
open wedge
Idk what company you run but I'm clearly taking the person that's more qualified...
just saying that is likely what people think companies do
not what they actually do
ashen spindle
eh, as in most cases its a mix of things
less welcoming partly due to these decisions which trickles down and all
no need to have it 50% everywhere but it's quite obvious certain areas like tech are less welcoming to anyone but male people due to various reasons
vagrant pagoda
Eh Netflix has way way less technical requirements than nvidia
ashen spindle
reverse with male nurses as a common ecample
vagrant pagoda
Same with Google
Apple has a massive sales and software side that offers the technical departments
There is likely just less qualified females in that field
ashen spindle
also it's global workforce so it makes a big difference if the company has mostly western or asian workers since culture also make a big difference for that
vagrant pagoda
When Su worked for Ti and IBM she was literally the only female in her field
open wedge
I'd say there aren't even enough qualified males in many engineering fields
vagrant pagoda
And even with her in charge of AMD they aren't much better than nvidia
ashen spindle
sure but lack of qualified workers overall is a different issue altogether
vagrant pagoda
That's society and school issue not nvidia
vagrant pagoda
Also Jenson is a massive dick
gusty kiln
gusty kiln
I'm just wondering why Pat is getting paid higher than Tim Cook sometimes
vagrant pagoda
She's smarter, and better to us normal consumaer8
vagrant pagoda
I'm just wondering why Pat is getting paid higher than Tim Cook sometimes
Pat?
ashen spindle
I mean I do think Pats job is much harder than tims
gusty kiln
Intel current ceo
vagrant pagoda
Ah
ashen spindle
getting intel to stop shitting the bed isn't as easy as basically following the track apple always took
vagrant pagoda
Tim Cook is mostly making money on stock
gusty kiln
Tim Cook is mostly making money on stock
Yeah i was talking about total compensation
vagrant pagoda
Not new stock
His old stock lol
Cook got most of his stock under jobs
And the company has quadrupled in value with cook as ceo
gusty kiln
Cook.. wasn't iirc
Bachelor in industrial engineering and a MBA
astral haven
to be fair, apple isnt really a tech company so an mba in charge isnt a disaster
ashen spindle
probably better even
vagrant pagoda
He was head of fulfillment for IBM before he joined Apple
gusty kiln
Mba with some engineering background is perfect
ashen spindle
depending on what the company currently needs
vagrant pagoda
And all of his experience at Apple initially was getting the supply chain to run as good as it can
Which is why we are where we are today with repairing Apple products
gusty kiln
Apple supply chain is god tier
vagrant pagoda
I will for semiconductor manufacturers to make apple specific chips that exactly the amounts that Apple wants
To guarantee supply chain interruptions don't happen
Apple will only deal with a company if they are the number one customer
astral haven
thats not how that works
vagrant pagoda
I dose for apple. They require suppliers to have their contract as the #1 priority for fulfillment
If apple doesn't get it, no one dose
astral haven
thats only because apple requires that they customize the part for them and not sell that part to anyone else lmao
vagrant pagoda
That is a byproduct really
Apple demands such quantities that custom parts don't matter
So if they can optimize any aspect, they do
astral haven
again not how that works
vagrant pagoda
How so
astral haven
the parts are functionally identical
rossman even showed how they could simplify the board design (removing 2 vias) by using the off the shelf part
basically all that they do is move pins around on an identical part
vagrant pagoda
Or apple simply didn't care and designed the board without care for the pinout lol
It could be either way
vagrant pagoda
Yes they do
astral haven
apple outsources the design to quanta
apple sets the specifications for the board, but leaves it up to quanta to actually place and optimize
at least for laptops
vagrant pagoda
Not since apple moved to inhouse silicon
vagrant pagoda
Yeah they produce the boards
astral haven
Not since apple moved to inhouse silicon
im gonna [citation needed] on that
vagrant pagoda
im gonna [citation needed] on that
Provide the same then
astral haven
remember apple has bs'ed about designing their own boards for near 15 years at this point
astral haven
Provide the same then
against discord tos ofc
but where do you think the leaked boardviews come from...
vagrant pagoda
fickle ore
that's kinda bs hehe, you ask for a citation but won't provide one yourself ๐
astral haven
that's kinda bs hehe, you ask for a citation but won't provide one yourself ๐
i provided a citation
fickle ore
but stop with citation wars jesus
astral haven
quanta is an ODM for foxconn
fickle ore
quanta is an ODM for foxconn
Gonna need a [citation] on that
fickle ore
No mention of apple there
astral haven
thats not what you asked for ๐คท
fickle ore
xD
astral haven
https://jobs.apple.com/en-us/search?location=United-States-USA&team=Analog-and-D...
ok?
most of these are for non laptops
and the laptop adjacent ones are not for basic board design, mostly being in the rf compliance or systems spaces
vagrant pagoda
astral haven
like im not saying that apple should design their own laptop boards in house, in fact it would probably be better for them to keep the status quo for that, just that they make decisions that make no sense considering that
astral haven
https://jobs.apple.com/en-us/details/200303316/hardware-design-engineer-board-de...
since when are laptops embedded systems
again im not talking about phones, watches, or in this case homekit devices
just laptops
vagrant pagoda
Embedded system is likely the power control system
astral haven
thats not the industry definition of embedded system
and i shouldnt have to explain that to you
also lemme remind you that you still need design engineers for design verification
there is proof (eng samples, test software leaks) that there are engineers doing laptop work in the states, its just the grunt work is completed in taiwan
vagrant pagoda
https://www.raspberrypi.com/news/mice-explore-virtual-worlds-with-a-raspberry-pi-powered-vr-headset/
astral haven
i really wish people would stop calling any stereo hmd "VR"
the most important part of vr is 6dof tracked hmd + controller(s) imo and anything without both shouldnt be called vr...
fickle ore
nice price bro
astral haven
What would you call it then
a 3d headset
vagrant pagoda
It would be hilarious to use a bunch of these as an accelerator to replace mouse movements in video games
Like who needs AI when you can just have real mouse
astral haven
literal mouse movement
vagrant pagoda
You just capture a game where the mouse is and then transmit it to its headset and then transmit that motion back into the game for you to see the mouse move
Who needs a physx when you can have mousex
fickle ore
hawhwah cant sell
astral haven
4080s?
fickle ore
4070 ti's
astral haven
they made that many 4070ti's? /s
fickle ore
LOL freaking nvda
marsh glade
fickle ore
Anyone know whats different here? https://www.pcgamer.com/nvidia-said-to-be-shipping-newer-cheaper-gpus-to-partners-for-the-rtx-40-series/
ashen spindle
not yet
new stepping could be the same or different skus to sell them closer to msrp
fickle ore
How they gonna shave off more than 25$-50$ per sku via shuffling stuff around on a PCB?
ashen spindle
well, accepting lower margins
fickle ore
Ic, so they left out that part
ashen spindle
could also just be a small revision that fixes the black screen issue on 4090 for example and they sell it a bit cheaper to get stock moving idk
gusty kiln
hawhwah cant sell
Which aib is in the middle, seems to be most sku
fickle ore
Which aib is in the middle, seems to be most sku
I'm not sure I closed the thread
Oh sweet, first ATX 3.0 titanium psu coming soon.
215โฌ for a 750w and 260โฌ for a 850w.
shadow minnow
Given up on new GPUs too tbh
astral haven
yea i bought a car instead lmao
shadow minnow
I got rejected from my dream uni instead
fickle ore
I got rejected from my dream uni instead
๐ฆ sorry to hear that
tropic nacelle
I got rejected from my dream uni instead
That's why you got a second dream uni, right? Gotta hold out for that!
pale sigil
Am i weird for having my monitor eye level
watching the linus video and he views the monitor from above kindsa and i noticed others do
but i kinda prefer it alligned to my eyesight
fair gull
no youre not weird
reef patrol
Am i weird for having my monitor eye level
iirc it needs to be slightly lower?
Eyes closer to the top than center.
fair gull
afaik almost all ergonomy guidelines state at eye level or slightly below
more importantly your eyes should be the only thing look very slightly downward
not the entire head
fair gull
you should. your back and body will thank ya
shadow minnow
That's why you got a second dream uni, right? Gotta hold out for that!
Well no I donโt. I have a second choice uni but itโs not a dream one and not hard to get into either
pale sigil
Oh i did a lot of changes
when i got my first injection
Atm im still kinda ergo good....
right now i dont need to look up or down which i guess is good
pale sigil
That's why you got a second dream uni, right? Gotta hold out for that!
I mean tbf Oxford is hard to match.
But yes @shadow minnow it doesn't mean its the end.
shadow minnow
This is the end
fair gull
no
ashen spindle
reef patrol
I mean at least you CAN trade them in. No one has to offer this - But that's obviously a cop out in this case for Apple.
empty wren
โApple items hold their value better overtimeโ
Maybe in resellers market
Well you probably are right
empty wren
And yes it does exist but I doubt anybody wants to buy that $52.2k mac
empty wren
You probably could lemme check
empty wren
Yeah they still got value
I mean with a MacBook
People already should know what they are getting into
shadow minnow
Apple products tend to hold resale value better
empty wren
And alright fair enough I get your point but I think what you say makes more sense for power heavy computers
shadow minnow
iPhones for example mostly due to how long they are supported
But some hardware goes down fast ngl
empty wren
Like a used thinkpad x1 carbon 6th generation $400 roughly
empty wren
But some hardware goes down fast ngl
Phones do on Android side but that may have gotten better not sure, though could also buy a more rare model
Cars can be argued to have more original purchaser value
Like sure they lose a lot of economical value but at the time, can be used to drive to make money or get food ect etc
I mean not necessarily an issue if you are willing to inspect it at the dealership and put in some effort
Sure sometimes it is more hassle
Buddy replaced his engine thrice
2 junkyard engines
Then saved for a new one
Bullet resistant*
And whatcha mean bullet resistant windows or something?
Oh
astral haven
see if you can get a lordestown endurance
vagrant pagoda
I drive a old school subaru
My car is like 2000 pounds and the roof is lower than my shoulder
astral haven
and i dont drive anything because the car i bought hasnt been delivered yet ๐ฆ
gusty kiln
I drive a old school subaru
Is it at least a wrx?
vagrant pagoda
Wrx isn't old school lol
vagrant pagoda
I have a 92 wagon and a 86 brat
gusty kiln
I want a AE86 for the memes
vagrant pagoda
I'd kill for an AWD RX
gusty kiln
Lexus?
smoky cradle
Idk how old is considered old school
21
cursive summit
Agreed
Combo units to power 1080p and at some point 1440p is going to be the mainstream choice imho
4K is not feasible anytime soon probably, and pros will still use discrete
But combo chips are defo the future for mainstream
ashen spindle
man that is some next level nontent
article about a video of a channel that only ever talks about stuff in other articles/tweets/known leaks with no own data
and all it's about is some random guess for next gen to make low end gpus obsolete with apus
reef patrol
Nontent. Nice - I like it ๐
crisp granite
and all it's about is some random guess for next gen to make low end gpus obsole...
which never really seems to happen
although considering the constant price jumps across all GPU price brackets, it seems more plausible than ever lol
ashen spindle
it will be the same as every apu cycle except with cost increases it might be a thing for a year more or so this time
aka by the time those apus are out we are close to next gen console than the release of this gen, so its limited time before those get another big boost so min specs go higher
vagrant pagoda
sadly its a turbo brat so its dead
gusty kiln
astral haven
no need to watch half the videos now
this one is pretty cool and id absolutely have bought a slightly differently specced version of it if it was actually released
ashen spindle
sure but I knew about amds z490 plans so it saved me a watch xD
ashen spindle
not sure what you mean
reef patrol
He never mentioned a price for the multiplexer, but he alluded to it being expensive af - licensing fees maybe?
astral haven
He never mentioned a price for the multiplexer, but he alluded to it being expen...
ye they start at $50 per chip
for pcie 3
but for a rather high end chip you are only paying $76
ashen spindle
did you know what they were gonna use for it?
I know they had more pcie lanes via plx chip so basically z670 prototype in some way if you mean that
astral haven
ye
vagrant pagoda
yeah its basicly that they are doing a x670e
astral haven
no
that would have been cooler imo
but personally a plx chip has much more utility (if they put one of the more seriously sized ones
astral haven
ye
intels chipsets i believe are technically pcie multiplexers
but amds are pcie switches
astral haven
theres nothing 4.0 capable that is promontory right?
i thought b650 was in house?
just like x570
astral haven
interesting
vagrant pagoda
yeah i think only microchip and boardcom offer 4.0/5.0 swtiches
astral haven
well asmedias switch chips came out a while after x370 so idk
vagrant pagoda
also some of the big boi plx are like 500+ bucks for a chip its nuts
astral haven
meh the x16 to dual x16 3.0 is $76 bulk
vagrant pagoda
of coruse the make it as dumb as possible. chrome only and only online until the end of the year
crimson wigeon
No, you'll only be able to install the BT update during this year. Why? No idea!
pale sigil
Someone will probably archive
And also Google like to pretend shit didn't exist
So it doesn't surprise me it's going after a year
pale sigil
20 min into Linux desktops me already issues
Right
So launching dead Island botches the os
wheat plume
KS?
pale sigil
Os
mild dome
If Linux just worked I probably would move over myself, but my fav games are Windows only, and the only solutions that work are "use Windows instead"
astral haven
i havent turned on my pc in quite a while at this point tbh
its basically vr only at this point
el steam deck works great
reef patrol
Sony being Sony.
however we now have more information, including the fact that the disc drive will not be backwards compatible with previous PS5 consoles
fair gull
gotta keep em buying right
reef patrol
As always I'd wait for a revised model, whether a slim or pro model.
Or just wait for the PS6. I'm still two console generations behind ๐
#ModdableYet?
tropic nacelle
Pretty neat for low TDP designs currently
ashen spindle
I would've loved to skip the ps5, ff16 sadly is timed exclusive and I really want that xD
old marlin
does it?
that is up to the dev though
you get as much control over the audio devices as you want
still loom
I would've loved to skip the ps5, ff16 sadly is timed exclusive and I really wan...
Yoshi P said FF16 isn't even coming to PC
old marlin
yea list hasn't grown much
still loom
old marlin
actually getting smaller
ashen spindle
that was people taking it out of context what he said when joking with a friend while drunk
still loom
Oh ๐ Nice
ashen spindle
just like kotaku tried to cancel him because the medieval setting has medieval-like issues in society 
old marlin
ashen spindle
basically all he said is that the 6 month or w/e was said the limited exclusivity is, doesn't meant they will release it on that exact day 6 months later
since it could take longer to optimize it or so
old marlin
wouldn't make sense not to release on PC
as simple as that
as soon as they aren't legally obligated to are exclusive to PS5 they are actively refusing profits by not releasing on PC
especially since afaik it should be a very similar engine to what they already have running on pc
ashen spindle
well some people speculated it could be a complete exclusive since sony funded the development and this is one that was talked about a long time ago
old marlin
same with FF VII tho
ashen spindle
but sony will just taked some share and then also make more money from pc sales and all will be happy
old marlin
isn't it
ashen spindle
ya
old marlin
but sony will just taked some share and then also make more money from pc sales ...
not like they don't release on PC themselves now
ashen spindle
and yes the engine is basically a modified engine of FFXIV
old marlin
we still don't know if ff7 part 2 will come 
maybe it will pull a beyond good and evil 2
yea
but they can just make SSDs a requirement etc
they pretend like direct storage is a PS5 exclusive thing
not like it is necesarrily required for what they do
ashen spindle
well forspoken should have that so we'll see how well that will work on pc
old marlin
yea
frozen ingot
star citizen basically requires an nvme to run half decent
ashen spindle
well on pc the api for that is a bit behind so they might just wait a bit or know their base doesnt have compatible hardware so not worth it yet
frozen ingot
and a lot of ram
tropic nacelle
They have only just done the foundational work of migrating to dx12, I'm sure it will come at some point but not yet.
old marlin
I'm sure it will come at some point but not yet.
describes the development of that game quite well
frozen ingot
the damning thing about star citizen is most of the money and resources within the company is diverted towards the singleplayer squadron 42, so the already glacial development gets slowed down even further
crimson wigeon
Nah, they're going to Vulkan for better compatibility with other operating systems, so direct storage never
So gonna have to wait for the VK equivalent
tropic nacelle
the damning thing about star citizen is most of the money and resources within t...
Are you sure? The reason squadron 42 is taking so long is that they are relying on game elements being implemented in the PTU as well as it's all the "same" so it's holding it up equally.
shadow minnow
You want to tell me that company that can make usb to uart chip cannot make working drivers for it amazing
crimson wigeon
Sounds about right
shadow minnow
Instructions be like move this folder to desktop
Folder - doesnโt exist
If anyone can help me would appreciate
frozen ingot
Are you sure? The reason squadron 42 is taking so long is that they are relying ...
there's also a lot of assets being held back from releasing on the PU prematurely because they don't want any potential spoilers of SQ42 gameplay
tropic nacelle
there's also a lot of assets being held back from releasing on the PU prematurel...
That's not holding back development though, thats them holding back developed assets from public test. It isn't stopping Devs working on it
frozen ingot
well those assets can't be playtested on the public servers, makes it hard for them to evaluate how it will perform in good time on a larger scale
tropic nacelle
Yeah but most studios don't playtest story items till it's significantly done if at all. They play test internally.
You said they moved most of the money and resources into s42 instead of the multiplayer which is why it's slowed down which isn't what I've seen. Holding assets isn't moving resources
frozen ingot
well the team working on the online/network part has a lot less resources on hand then the singleplayer aspects, its a lower prio for them which I'll bet most people actually playing and financing it isn't particularly thrilled about
reef patrol
It is insane to me that the smaller mouse on the right is almost twice as heavy 
tropic nacelle
well the team working on the online/network part has a lot less resources on han...
When did that happen? It also doesn't matter as work done on single player goes into the multiplayer as it's the same game, they have had to implement game mechanics for the story which go into multiplayer or in-game assets.
The game was sold on both multiplayer and single player campaign so no one should be upset. More people be disappointed that sq42 is still not out yet haha.
As someone who put some money in it at the Kickstarter I'm just ticking away waiting for the eventual release, I give it a punt every few months and it's got quite a lot these days, way late but it's there
frozen ingot
its happened since always, SQ42 has always been roberts pet project number one, the PU making progress comes second
crimson wigeon
And since it's supposed to be beyond AAA quality, maybe even "AAAA" they can't just keep on rebooting it forever so it's understandable why there's focus on trying to wrap it up right now before it's too outdated again
frozen ingot
and yes they share a lot of assets between one another, but netcode/server tech likely isn't one of those things, and anyone familiar with the project would be well aware that side has been struggling for quite some time
frozen ingot
And since it's supposed to be beyond AAA quality, maybe even "AAAA" they can't j...
according to some sources they allegedly had a close to release ready build of the game in 2016 
crimson wigeon
ANSWER THE CALL 2016
crimson wigeon
Probably the planet tech and then welp now we have to redo everything to make it ooh seamless
frozen ingot
also, #pyro2020
anyways, salvage gonna be neato I guess, when it eventually goes live
will be a few hrs fun until next try in x months
tropic nacelle
Yep, at the moment Reddit in meltdown over people "griefing" which I find a little funny to see.
It's like they forget it's a test setup, need to implement more safe zone restrictions and then the rest of PvP as sold. Be interesting to see the main developments this year now that a lot of the networking tech is in and the last piece if tentatively said to be done this year (ha)
crimson wigeon
Leddit is always melting down
reef patrol
This mouse is so light - I genuinely feel like I could add a larger battery and not care ๐
frozen ingot
is battery life the same as regular gpw
halcyon moss
Yep, at the moment Reddit in meltdown over people "griefing" which I find a litt...
tbf, doing stuff in that game already has a fairly high possibility of being a complete waste of time because of many instability issues... adding piracy to it makes it even more annoying
frozen ingot
I've long since stopped attributing effort or value to the things I do in it, when shit inevitably hits the fan there's less salt to be had
gotta say wooting gamepad mode is working beautifully with SCs controls, one of the games that benefits the most from it I've played so far
wheat plume
at least you can use the computer while it installs them
cant do that on Windows
and these dont take as long
or delete your personal folders
pale sigil
What deletes your personal folders
ashen spindle
when did you last install/update it?
wheat plume
just search up "Windows update deleted my files" and youll find countless shit on it
halcyon moss
thats just many updates, doesnt mean it is horrible
pale sigil
This all appeared after I used paru
reef patrol
cant do that on Windows
That is not necessarily a bad thing though. Applying updates without shit running is a good way to minimise weird errors ๐
wheat plume
even an how to geek article https://www.howtogeek.com/658194/windows-10s-new-update-is-deleting-peoples-files-again/
wheat plume
That is not necessarily a bad thing though. Applying updates without shit runnin...
yeah true
Fedora installs upon reboot like Windows does also
frozen ingot
never had that happen
limber trellis
fav part is when windows doesn't delete their updates after installing them 
final flame
Now this is some bullshit
pale sigil
Now this is some bullshit
You think that's bad?
reef patrol
For personal accounts it seems fine? You're going to be posting pics of you anyway. It's just an anti-phishing scheme.
pale sigil
Facebook wanted a copy of my ID
tropic nacelle
I'd say that Instagram request is a great way to go.
vagrant pagoda
Facebook wanted a copy of my ID
Fb rejected my buddies id
He has a unique name. Someone reported it as fake
Fb asks for id
They say I'd is fake
reef patrol
vagrant pagoda
The best part
reef patrol
I swear you to sir, madik is not an unusual name in Punjab
vagrant pagoda
He was at the time paying them for advertisement for his business
They only locked his actual personal account and kept his business account open
But he was just a single person so all of the business was in his name
Which they had no issue with
And he now has a oculus without issue
Just can't post on fb
vagrant pagoda
*I swear you to sir, madik is not an unusual name in Punjab*
It's Merlin but same thing lol
reef patrol
vagrant pagoda
I just passed a billboard that was for rim Doctor cosmetic surgery
My mind went to an entirely different place before I read underneath that it was for car wheels
Has to be intentional
vagrant pagoda
He fixes your nose and takes your liver.
Dose tummy tucks and makes hats with the extra
reef patrol
hardy solstice
is there any tkl wooting in talk with mediabuttons and volumeknob?
reef patrol
is there any tkl wooting in talk with mediabuttons and volumeknob?
We haven't announced any plans for TKL, no. Or anything with a knob.
We use keybinds for media control on all of our keyboards (though you could rebind them to your preference)
hardy solstice
๐ฆ shesh
reef patrol
Can't please everyone. Different markets want different things - Knobs are not cheap to add to keyboards, and take up some space. And not everyone wants them ๐
Never say never - But it's not something we're doing right now. Still trying hard to catch up to existing backorders and get actual stock on a stable basis.
hardy solstice
no problem was just asking
reef patrol
final flame
๐ฆ shesh
knobs kinda useless
once you get a dedicated amplifier then all volume control is done by that instead of using a knob
it's also not hard to use a keycombo on a fn layer to control volume/multimedia
hardy solstice
who has a dedicated amplifier. and why
never needed one and i have studio headphones
dt 770
final flame
ohm?
hardy solstice
250
final flame
while you may be able to put out enough volune you'll still not be getting the most out of whatever headphone you're using with a cheap amp on your mobo
even iems benefit from having a higher power output
hardy solstice
i think thats just doing too much
i just want to game
because i listen to somehting inbetween rounds and mute the game and after i need to adjust it again
final flame
think of it this way, a headphone is your monitor and the amp and dac are your GPU and CPU, even if you have a 8k display doesn't mean you'll be able to have a good 8k experience with a 1050ti and a i3
frozen ingot
knob would be nice on a kb as long as its not hardbinded to os volume so that's all it can do
gusty kiln
I want toggle switches on my keyboard for capslock and numlock
frozen ingot
allow it to use things like midi or osc so I can bind it to my audio interface volume instead
gusty kiln
also not enough top knob amps, amp/dacs
reef patrol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xd8dKY6Ozrg
Will Smith intensifies
hardy solstice
i am gonna buy a wooting anyway. was just asking if there is something in the planing before i order
reef patrol
i am gonna buy a wooting anyway. was just asking if there is something in the pl...
Feel free to ask away ๐
hardy solstice
is there anything else in planing
reef patrol
We're always working on new experiments - But until we announce something officially, anything we might be working on could be cancelled at any point, if we feel it isn't going anywhere or if it's not realistic. ๐
hardy solstice
ah ok i guess i will order it then
btw is march the earliest i can get the keyboard or do you send it earlier sometimes
frozen ingot
reserve knobs/faders for the wooting macropad, that way people must buy that to complete their wooting board ecosystem
reef patrol
btw is march the earliest i can get the keyboard or do you send it earlier somet...
The date shown on the checkout is the estimated restocking date of the first available restock (called a production batch at Wooting, each with a codename). So that's basically as fast as you can get it - Adding the optional air freight shipping (from our factory to our warehouse) is a 2-4 week estimated timesave.
hardy solstice
ok so april kinda?
reef patrol
We split up each production into some going by sea and some going by cargo plane (pricier, but arrives earlier, meaning we can ship earlier for those with it)
crisp granite
reserve knobs/faders for the wooting macropad, that way people must buy that to ...
And the southpaw 1800 columnar split
reef patrol
ok so april kinda?
Sounds about right yeah. It's first come, first serve to each production batch. Once one is full up, we open a new one, which has a later date.
hardy solstice
ok ๐
tropic nacelle
reserve knobs/faders for the wooting macropad, that way people must buy that to ...
Yes definitely want a macro pad with dials!
ashen spindle
its as good as this https://twitter.com/IanCutress/status/1614992740919685121/photo/1
fair gull
oh
6-16
woops
im not sure how fast 16 lowercase and numbers can be bruteforced
but probably a crap ton faster than most password rules
gusty kiln
what website is that from?
fair gull
i got an email from aeria games being sold to x-legend
idk who x-legend is but they have a game i hold dear now
creating an account
and i dont know if the game is worth it anymore
lol
gusty kiln
@final flame have you tried an R2R dac or whatever schiit has going on with multibit?
final flame
<@357641534109122563> have you tried an R2R dac or whatever schiit has going on ...
R2R is a better architecture, have not used one myself yet
gusty kiln
yeah, I've always been interested, but so expensive and niche
final flame
dms claims they are better so I'll trust his judgement
pale sigil
its as good as this https://twitter.com/IanCutress/status/1614992740919685121/ph...
This pisses me off so much
I use like 22 char
tropic nacelle
When you specify what a password must contain you are an idiot in terms of security.
Maximum you should say is min length really.
Complex passwords aren't really more secure, long passwords are more secure. Hate virgin media who specify some 8 character bullshit and no hyphen
fair gull
well
complex passwords are more secure than a given length less complex password
if you wanna see the result of just increasing complexity accross a few lengths of passwords
in general mandating the use of 1 of each lowercase, uppercase, numbers and special characters means a hacker has to include all when trying to crack passwords
setting a minimum length of 8 characters also means the time can be anywhere from seconds to multiple hundreds or thousands of years
combined with smth like sha-2 or sha-3 or even bcrypt
it becomes even longer
tropic nacelle
yes but for a human, remembering a complex passwords (special characters) is more difficult than long words
fair gull
those are in said password lists
tropic nacelle
thats why its better to allow long passwords and not restrict so people who use complex stored passwsords can carry on and those with phrases can use them
fair gull
they are called rainbow tables
ashen spindle
good, gets people to have reasons to use pw manager instead of their name and birthday
fair gull
yes but for a human, remembering a complex passwords (special characters) is mor...
thats why we have password managers
run your own bitwarden instance and youre good to go
tropic nacelle
yes thats why its an issue when a site does "only 8 - 12 characters and no special"
fair gull
well when they get got once they will
tropic nacelle
it shouldnt be limited like that as it forces a bad password set
tropic nacelle
ive seen too many systems compromised by the day of the week and year
its funny when a company mandates password changes so it ends up with the same but a different number everytime
fair gull
my online banking has normal password stuff
at least 10chars
and all the bells and whistles
at least mandated 2fa
tropic nacelle
ref + pin + password + 2fa on my main bank
fair gull
im all for password managers and 2fa (thats not sms)
tropic nacelle
oh yes, password managers are a must. Ive been sold on password managers for many years, there is no way a human can remember all these paswords that are of reasonable length/complexity
love bitwarden, thats been the best move ive made on software solutions for a long time
yep haha, my only complaint comes from sites that still have a very strict rule on whatg can be used so i have to manually regenerate passwords that are bad ๐ฆ
also humans are really silly these days, the amount of times people will jsut give me the password to their account is depressing
pale sigil
And this is why I use keys
shadow minnow
Not having a password entrance limit is so dumb
still loom
oh yes, password managers are a must. Ive been sold on password managers for man...
Eh I just let google generate passwords for me and it saves them ๐
fickle ore
Wow lol wtf my 280hz screen became very pixelated suddenly and started flickering, but disabling monitor overclocking and putting it on eco mode/240hz fixed it
gusty kiln
rip
fickle ore
screen or gpu tho?
gusty kiln
is 280hz an advertised feature?
still loom
is 280hz an advertised feature?
It's like 165hz monitor
It's actually 144hz but 165 overclocked
Yes ๐
I have a 280hz monitor too but I tend to just use it on 240
final flame
wheat plume
Microsoft to soon follow, Im sure of it
TO protect the children!
gusty kiln
yeah
wheat plume
anytime a company wanna add in a privacy breaking feature its always "to protect the children"
gusty kiln
hope valve ramps up steamos
wheat plume
use any distro...
wheat plume
unless you wanna just game, then yeah...SteamOS makes sense
gusty kiln
yep
gusty kiln
RTX 2080
wheat plume
cause it wont work well on those, you need to manually get those to work
shadow minnow
Microsoft to soon follow, Im sure of it
TO protect the children!
If they have been doing it for years now
wheat plume
and since SteamOS wipes shit on upgrades, youll need to reinstall the nvidia drivers on every update
gusty kiln
does AMD not need to do that?
wheat plume
does AMD not need to do that?
This doesnt apply to AMD GPU drivers cause those are included in the Linux kernel itself
gusty kiln
oo nice
wheat plume
Since AMD drivers are open source
ashen spindle
yeah and misses features till later into the life cycle because it is not from amd xDD
wheat plume
huh?
final flame
once windows 10 loses all updates I'm definitely swapping to linux and just running vms for everything
ashen spindle
new gpu release and it takes some time before it all works on linux for amd gpus
wheat plume
same for nvidia though
fair gull
once windows 10 loses all updates I'm definitely swapping to linux and just runn...
idk if id personally do that. i feel like m$ might make a good os after 11
ashen spindle
pretty sure on 40 release there was a working nvidia linux driver
fair gull
or paddle back on the (in my opinion) shitty taskbar and windows menu
one can dream for sure
gusty kiln
idk if id personally do that. i feel like m$ might make a good os after 11
classic tick-tock
still loom
Eh as long as it runs every game who cares ๐
fair gull
well i sort of do care about security patches
still loom
Not as if Microsoft or Apple peeping on your private files is gonna do anything
wheat plume
Eh as long as it runs every game who cares ๐
Linux can run games too, just the big devs dont give a shit enough to add support to their anticheat for it
still loom
There are far too many people using these devices for them to actually make use of peeping
It's all done for marketing and stuff like that ๐
wheat plume
Fortnite runs on Linux
Destiny 2 runs on Linux
but the anticheat they use doesnt cause they dont give a fuck enough to add support
therefor they ban you
gusty kiln
that's why I'm waiting for valve to push the development
still loom
So it doesn't run every game ๐ Hence why I would never use it
I don't want to be restricted in any way gaming, therefore I will use windows
I don't care if Bill Gates is watching me from my webcam
wheat plume
that's why I'm waiting for valve to push the development
I know for a fact Epic wont allow Fortnite on Linux cause Valve are their rival
fair gull
in general being used to windows id not be able to use linux as a main os
wheat plume
as for Bungie...idfk wtf is happening there
ashen spindle
ah, back to conspiracy theories I see
gusty kiln
btw, when is chrome doing the whole ab-block thing?
ashen spindle
that got delayed
wheat plume
if you run an update that upgrades the kernel but there is not an upgrade for the nvidia driver also
Then your OS wont boot unless you downgrade the kernel
crimson wigeon
Any decent package manager handles that situation for you
wheat plume
Maybe ive been using Manjaro too long 
fair gull
Any decent package manager handles that situation for you
shhh
gusty kiln
which distro have the biggest install base?
fair gull
i once got my kernel autoremoved cause it was "no longer needed"
wheat plume
which distro have the biggest install base?
Ubuntu for sure
gusty kiln
feels like no one ever talks about ubuntu though
wheat plume
yeah cause its going to shit lately with all their push for snaps
fair gull
feels like no one ever talks about ubuntu though
vocal minority or smth
not like people rub the fact they use windows into everyones face either
tropic nacelle
If you are running windows they it doesn't matter but for Linux then yes the setup is much better with AMD compared to Nvidia.
One day NVIDIA may actually focus on it but until that day, it's a little annoying.
wheat plume
Thing is Nvidia like Linux... A lot of their hardware uses it also
still loom
They don't need to
wheat plume
and they have CUDA for it too
still loom
The have the majority market share on windows and that's all they care about
Why care for the 500 people using Linux?
still loom
It's a joke
wheat plume
fair xd
gusty kiln
cuda still undefeated
gusty kiln
nice for handbrake too
gusty kiln
yeah, the 4070ti is my ideal perf/watt, just the price is meh
still loom
All 40 series cards are surpisingly good perf/watt
They beat out AMD this time for that, right?
ashen spindle
yes
thought the other cards are likely a different die that isnt just scaled down so might be better for amd in those cases
gusty kiln
really interested to see the rest of AMD's lineup
though 6750XT and down seems to play those roles just fine atm
mild dome
I just wonder if the new 7000 series can stream games over Discord without Discord crashing. Anyone else having these issues?
ashen spindle
sounds like something that would be on known bug list if that was a general thing
vagrant pagoda
@astral haven yoooo we just talked about the x670 chipset being a pcie switch lmao
asrock goes and uses it as one
i wonder how wendal got his hands on that add in card
ashen spindle
THIS SPECIFIC MOTHERBOARD IS NOT FOR SALE! ASRock gave Wendell a specially modified Livemixer Motherboard to showcase a new piece of Tech that could become the next great innovation!
Stay tuned for a more in-depth look on the card!
vagrant pagoda
yeah
still
we were just alking about the amd E chipset being a pice swtich yesterday lol
ashen spindle
probably some contact from the server side
reef patrol
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/micron-unveils-24gb-and-48gb-ddr5-memory-modul...
Can't wait for a whole new generation of "is 24GB enough or do I need to either buy another 24GB for 48? or sell my 24 and buy two 16GB ones" ๐
glacial blade
We haven't announced any plans for TKL, no. Or anything with a knob.
We use keyb...
Waiting paitiently for simple & minimalistic TKL ๐
reef patrol
tropic nacelle
A single 24gb stick isn't that good, you want 2x X so I guess if you need more than 32gb it's not bad (if you can't afford 64) but it seems very niche.
I was thinking it would be like 12gb modules so 2x12gb which wouldn't be bad for the gamer market or most markets really
reef patrol
Yeah that's true - But I know SO many OEMs and "PC builders" who often default to single stick ๐
ashen spindle
DDR5 already is double channel so you donโt need two sticks of it
reef patrol
Also true... Man I am so behind on tech. Too poor to upgrade every year ๐
tropic nacelle
DDR5 already is double channel so you donโt need two sticks of it
Is it? Didn't realise that was the case.
So ddr5 channels must have double bandwidth per slot then? Or does it double that double with 2 channels now?
reef patrol
If anything it would mean you can theoretically do double, quad channel?
tropic nacelle
Yeah that's my thinking, I'll Google it as I've not looked at ddr5 besides reading it has ECC by default now (or a part of it)
old marlin
DDR5 is quite funky in general
old marlin
Yeah that's my thinking, I'll Google it as I've not looked at ddr5 besides readi...
different kind of ECC
still not a replacement for "actual" ECC
reef patrol
Semi ECC is better than no ECC I guess.
old marlin
basically
ashen spindle
also as usual its not primarily for consumers
if you have servers with 2 cpus and need 32 sticks
that adds up a lot if you dont actually need 32 per stick
tropic nacelle
Ah I see, the total channel is still essentially 72bit but it's now two so there should still be a performance gain from two sticks but it will be much less of a performance difference than before.
That's quite a nice change really, especially to reduce the gimping OEM pc builders do by shipping pcs with 1 stick!
misty saffron
is 1x16 cheaper than 2x8? why do they do that?
still loom
He means why do some places sell PCs with only 1 stick of 16 inside
Answer: because they are stupid
haughty latch
lol basically the prebuild special these days
ashen spindle
oh, well sometimes its cheaper, sometimes they just have the stock for that
haughty latch
a single dim of ram no matter it seems unless you get some insane like 64gb setup
still loom
They are looking to cut costs so yeah, 1x16 is probably cheaper than 2x8
reef patrol
I was referring to 1x8 btw
haughty latch
tbfh tho I personally cannot even put a god damn DENT into my 48gb of ram lmao
haughty latch
ya
still loom
The more RAM you have the more your PC will use
old marlin
is 1x16 cheaper than 2x8? why do they do that?
in the quanitites that large SIs buy, yes
haughty latch
most cases 16gb is defs plenty tho I kinda laugh a bit with some games seemingly being more unoptimized that they would legit just chew through it regardless
still loom
I think with 16GB you will only maybe struggle on Flight Sim or Starfield
Very niche games
haughty latch
iirc there was a recent game soon to be out where the damn minimum is like 16gb and needing 32 for the "recommended"
still loom
And you probably can still run them fine
misty saffron
tbfh tho I personally cannot even put a god damn DENT into my 48gb of ram lmao
i regularly have 40gb used
being able to not close anything is nice
haughty latch
iirc there was a recent game soon to be out where the damn minimum is like 16gb ...
Forspoken iirc is the game
still loom
That is out in a few days I think
ashen spindle
if anything we are overdue on games using more ram because they are being held back by how little the consoles have
still loom
FF developers game
tropic nacelle
iirc there was a recent game soon to be out where the damn minimum is like 16gb ...
Returnal, the playstation port to pc next month I think is the one you speak of.
That had 32gb for raytracing 4k
haughty latch
I am fucking SCARED given the min requirements lmao haha
ashen spindle
sure lack of optimization is always a thing but it's not like we can be realistic and think every game possible would run on 16gb
still loom
Depends how high your settings are really
haughty latch
lol shoutouts to quake champions where it ate my ram back when I had a GTX 970 haha
aaaand it was a fuckin mess of a game, still is I bet lol
still loom
In 99.9% of cases 16GB is good enough
haughty latch
yep
still loom
Unless you like to game while having 20 tabs in chrome open
still loom
๐
ashen spindle
honestly if the series s didn't have less than 10gb for ram, we would have already seen more games make use of more ram
still loom
Even with 20 open you can probably still run 99.9% of games
haughty latch
yea ofc, I mainly joke about the 20 tabs thing but lord lol
still loom
honestly if the series s didn't have less than 10gb for ram, we would have alrea...
Eh idk about that, the settings can be low on that console and low resolution
tropic nacelle
I don't want to go back to 16gb, 32gb is perfect for me as I can have some VMs on the go and play games which is nice
still loom
Ultra settings and 4k on PC will multiply RAM required by a lot
10GB of RAM is more than enough for most PC games in ultra settings
haughty latch
iirc don't some games on series render 720p internally but then gets upscaled?
still loom
You have to remember your PC is running more things in background than an Xbox
haughty latch
I can be wrong since I haven't touched console since the damn Wii lol
ashen spindle
Eh idk about that, the settings can be low on that console and low resolution
yes but that still means they are forced to have min specs that fit into it, so pc games also have lower min spec than if they could use 16gb as the base for the lowest spec
reef patrol
You have to remember your PC is running more things in background than an Xbox
At this point not much necessarily.
Consoles aren't just a kernel and a game. It is an entire goddamned desktop environment constantly running while you game, in case you want to record or share shit or do social media and whatnot ๐
still loom
yes but that still means they are forced to have min specs that fit into it, so ...
But also 99% of PC users have low spec PCs
It's only a very small minority of PC gamers that have good, up-to-date hardware
They want to sell games
tropic nacelle
The weaklinks keep things back, there is only so much optimisation via LOD and asset quality that you can do before you actually have to cut features.
Glad the ancient consoles are finally dying off as the old CPU was just too dire regardless of GPU power
still loom
It has to be able to run on low end PCs
ashen spindle
like 70% of steam users have 16gb or more
haughty latch
tbfh most games I know I play end up heavily CPU binded in my system regardless of what I do
still loom
like 70% of steam users have 16gb or more
Yes but 16GB means only <10GB available for a game
haughty latch
I would consider upgrading my CPU but it'd be a damn waste haha
ashen spindle
<10? what lol
still loom
Here is a PC using 16GB RAM
haughty latch
Yes but 16GB means only <10GB available for a game
the heck uses that much ram in idle? 
ashen spindle
let windows have like 2 and you can use the rest
still loom
So it's less than 10 available for game
tropic nacelle
It has to be able to run on low end PCs
Nah it doesn't though, look at crysis or ryze or maybe cyberpunk.
They "run" but that's it. It's not a requirement that it works really, sometimes you need to force people to upgrade by giving a good reason
still loom
Nah it doesn't though, look at crysis or ryze or maybe cyberpunk.
They "run" b...
Those games are few and far between though xD
haughty latch
For discord only
that sounds off unless you had your client open for legit weeks lol
ashen spindle
also windows reserves ram when its free that isn't needed to have it ready if you need more, if you dont have that much extra ram it just wont allocate it
still loom
that sounds off unless you had your client open for legit weeks lol
Probably ๐
ashen spindle
so if a game would say it needs 14gb windows would allocate less overhead
so that would still work
haughty latch
I personally use the discord canary builds and I never had it use more than like 2gb max on my stuff
except for one time where I had about 1400 individual DMs at one point that caused my client to just flat out BREAK lol
still loom
I personally use the discord canary builds and I never had it use more than like...
Now all those tiny numbers below that of windows services
haughty latch
this is p much my system, tho 6gb is used, the main reason is cause I use an IGPU also, mostly cause intel quicksync n such
haughty latch
still loom
haughty latch
that is like super odd I swear lol, maybe it is something with how electron caches stuff or discord on stable builds are
still loom
Pretty sure if I add up all the processes running it doesn't even add up to 7.4GB
haughty latch
since on canary there is legit updates like 2-4 times a day so could just be wiping like caching shenanigans
still loom
since on canary there is legit updates like 2-4 times a day so could just be wip...
Maybe, never tried that tbh xD
It good?
ashen spindle
stable is just fine for that too
haughty latch
It good?
lmao don't unless you are crazy like I am and know how to fiddle with discord's stuff here n there haha
haughty latch
canary builds are basically REALLY alpha sometimes so much so it isn't uncommon to have a moment where the desktop client breaks so hard that you need to go into the appdata folders and clean whip the installs
still loom
I could put more in but like.... I wouldn't see a benefit for my use case
haughty latch
all tho you do get to try stuff out at times that may land on canary in some cases for MONTHS ahead of times but ye haha
still loom
I can launch flight sim rn and play it fine on ultra settings
With that 8GB only available
haughty latch
tbf I think the only game I play that can tax the shit out of my ram is satisfactory lmao
but that is obvious why
tbfh when I had a 5600x I used to wish to be able to get like any ram sticks that didn't use samsung C die
and did either 3200 cl 16-18, or 3600 cl-18-22
still loom
Eh, people are a bit obsessed with RAM timings ๐
I use CL16 3600
5900X and a 3080
haughty latch
on my intel it's not a big deal but when I had my 4750G it was a different story given it used a vega IGPU lol
cause for some ungodly reason the 4750G was a monster for ram clocks due to it being a monolithic zen 2 die
rather than chiplet
IF 2133mhz at stock voltages? NO FUCKIN PROBLEM lmao
still loom
Don't get me wrong it definitely makes a difference
But I doubt the average PC users even knows if their XMP is enabled or not
haughty latch
the amusing shit is 90% of the time you were bottlenecked by the motherboard's ram topoligy and PCB layers which was amusing
but that is like the only time I know where you NEEDED fast af ram cause well, IGPU lmao
legit near 30-50% gains in most cases going from 3200mhz cl 16 to 4266mhz cl 18
thanks to fecking Vega being so heavily memory limited since it was mainly used on HBM
still loom
๐ You like pushing those b dies?