Is it cheaper than the Logitech G Cloud?
#🔌│tech
wheat plume
vagrant pagoda
7900 just killed the 7800x lol
its g3x
so it smokes the cloud withouth even trying
its a 2 year old flagship chip
with some updates
gusty kiln
7900 just killed the 7800x lol
7800X?
gusty kiln
amazon price is like 350 atm
it'll prob go back up to 375 or something
but yeah at msrp it's dead
vagrant pagoda
even at 350 its a hard sell
80 bucks for 4 cores
and a cooler
plus dual ccx so double the l3
gusty kiln
yeah dunno how the pricing stack will end up
hopefully they didn't produce too many 7700X
vagrant pagoda
For almost all cases
yeah windows and linux is smart enough to schedule separate process on separate ccxs
programs dont run in a vaccum
ashen spindle
Ehhhh idk where it would matter unless you have like different programs running on each ccx instead of one program
vagrant pagoda
os uses cpus in case you forgot
haveing double the l3 thats split isnt 2x as good
but it isnt nothing
ashen spindle
Ehh sure idk how much that really matters though
vagrant pagoda
cpu cache hit rate matters a shit ton for high end processing
like games at high frame rates
thats why spectre and meltdown fixs tanked performance
the cache hit rate plummeted
its why memory latency is king now
ashen spindle
Yeah but cross ccx latency penalty surely doesn’t make it worth it for most cases if it’s just one primary application?
vagrant pagoda
you have never in your life ran a single process on a modern cpu so is that really a use case?
os bloat is massive
even on linux
ashen spindle
with primary I meant a game or 3d render or w/e the focus is on
vagrant pagoda
yeah
the os run still
windows will schedule background and games on different ccxs
pale sigil
Is it cheaper than the Logitech G Cloud?
No
pale sigil
But I think its a lot more high spec
wheat plume
Yeh...it is !
vagrant pagoda
ive used wired for ages
so no idea about bluetooth
i had a og gameclip
I had the gameklip, cable and a nexus 7 case
in 2013
good times
LMAO
i found a picture of it
with my foot in frame for some reason
i think i was at the cabin when i took this
wheat plume
thats not a 2 in 1
final flame
it has pen but isn't a 2 in 1 interesting
final flame
so it's a pencil
wheat plume
Yeah
final flame
how does that work does it have a cap
wheat plume
you can also get a plastic tip
wheat plume
how does that work does it have a cap
no
final flame
so you'd have to swap the tip anytime you want to use it as a pencil or as a stylus
final flame
now that is definitely weird, I wonder how long the graphite tip lasts that way considering how soft graphite is as a material
empty wren
Inb4 it breaks like the mechanical pencils
wheat plume
They claim 3 years...
But massive X to doubt
Valve are finally adding wireless game transfer to Steam Deck
So you don't need to download the game from scratch on your Deck when you wanna play it
wheat plume
Games
I wish they added a way to NOT sync graphics settings over Steam Cloud
Cause whenever I play distance on my Deck I need to lower the settings and then raise them when I play on my computer again
Yeah
Local wireless transfer
From computer to deck or whatever device you got steam on
I know you can do it already with SSHFS and shit
but this would be built into Steam and automatically able to find the devices
ashen spindle
you tried 
ashen spindle
that would be too much for what this is, since this is basically just QoL of locally transferring the game form pc to deck
ashen spindle
really think its just a QoL for having it do FTP or w/e is used and auto recognize the game then
thick elk
Lan caching could be useful for some, for me it's mostly bottle necked by gbit / local wifi anyway.
wheat plume
Does Steam recognise when you login to another device so you can stream a game to it because you are logged in on more than one device or is it somehow detecting it on the local network?
thick elk
Also the other way around
wheat plume
Like when I boot up the deck while steam is running on my computer, it tells me that the deck can now be used to stream to
yeah yeah
does that detect any Steam client you are logged into the same account with on the local network or whatever?
🤔
ive never had the chance to test it over internet
I WANT THIS JOB
THIS IS COOL
crisp granite
I WANT THIS JOB
probably doesn't pay well, also exposure to the elements
it won't be an easy job should you do it
crisp granite
they no run the coaster in rain
lame
wheat plume
the amount of time and effort involved in wooden coaster is truly crazy
crisp granite
I remember when I was like...12 or so and the club hosting a regatta was like "yeah, 30 knot wind gusts, massive waves and heavy rain, it'll be fine and we'll call it if lightning strikes"
that was their measure of "safety"
wheat plume
o.o
crisp granite
tbh kiddos gotta learn boat balance and sail trim
no better time than during a storm
all in dinghies, tiny little boats that hold one or two peeps
that and all of em were wearing PFDs that were tested; if nothing else, they'd be floating on the surface and it's not too hard to retrieve the bodies that hopefully are still alive
wheat plume
......I want a Tavor really badly those guns are fucking great
crisp granite
......I want a Tavor really badly those guns are fucking great
same, but can't justify the price tag for an x95
especially with the 5 shot mag capacity mag requirement here
gliders or engine killed?
tbh
the initial tow is pretty offputting
unless you're launching off of cliffs
but after that, it's so calm and serene
if you can ignore how scorching hot the cockpit is
put two people in one during the middle of summer...
it'll be pretty bad
I'm sure it's a lot nicer in the mountains lol
wait...hydrofoils were a thing back then?
or are you talking about aircraft with floats
wheat plume
same, but can't justify the price tag for an x95
especially with the 5 shot mag ...
5???!!!!
Canada...The same country that makes airsoft guns MORE powerful so that they can be imported?!
crisp granite
:)
wheat plume
BRUH WTF
crisp granite
assuming Trudeau hasn't done a stupid and banned them
like he has the other gun I wanted to get
:(
we have a wonderful gun control regulation here...or did back before Trudeau
ever since it's been going backwards
legal gun ownership is restrictive beyond the common sense stuff before
the penalties for illegal gun ownership and crime are going way down, even though the vast majority of firearm crimes here are committed with shit that is not legally in canada, smuggled from the USA
frozen ingot
drum magazines bad
empty wren
😵💫
final flame
guerilla warfare baby
true quest
wheat plume
Does tlp actually do anything to save battery life if you just install and run it without giving it any arguements or whatever?
halcyon moss
rtfm? :p
https://linrunner.de/tlp/index.html
ashen spindle
I like the proposed Idea of removing the f in rtfm to make linux more friendly to users
carmine fiber
ashen spindle
but on the same hand, rtfm
carmine fiber
join up
ashen spindle
this isnt even a games channel so no
halcyon moss
read the fine manual ?
ashen spindle
yea... thats what it means... definitely
gusty kiln
I feel like there's barely any room for new homes in the UK unless bumfuck nowhere
Any brits can chime in?
fair gull
bruh why not make sensible requirements
gusty kiln
fair gull
like "if you open the road for any kind of work put in fibre"
frozen ingot
there's tons of land that's more or less uninhabited in the UK
granted most people don't really want to live in those places
fair gull
at least put in empty pipes so fibre just needs to be blown in
in my old hometown in germany they opened the road 3 times in 4 months cause everytime someone else put in fibre
truly economical
reef patrol
I feel like there's barely any room for new homes in the UK unless bumfuck nowhe...
wat
thick pine
there's tons of land that's more or less uninhabited in the UK
Just cause it’s uninhabited doesn’t mean someone doesn’t own it
wheat plume
Tommy Binnit
marsh glade
does illegal thing
makes youtube video about it
is confused when litigated
wheat plume
You see.... this is why you got to make sure its legal to d this shit beforehand
and that the land is actually not protected or owned in some way
marsh glade
If the guy had asked, the Canadians would have literally paid him to to move into Saskatchewan somewhere
thick pine
You didn’t see the guy who built a small house on the sidewalk in LA?
The city kept removing his tent so he built a house instead
wheat plume
haughty latch
I had to google this and I love how one of the images there is borderline windows xp wall paper lmao
Lol
Saskatchenwan apperently is just windows xp
reef patrol
It's classic wilderness. Bit of everything.
empty wren
Cool windows wallpaper
reef patrol
Not...really, no.
gusty kiln
Probably very few plots of land in areas where people actually want to live to meet the fiber internet law.
To build a new home on
ashen spindle
gusty kiln
Probably plenty of land in bum fuck no where
thick pine
There’s a law regarding fiber internet in the UK?
thick pine
What
reef patrol
Probably very few plots of land in areas where people actually want to live to m...
You really don't seem to grasp the basics of how land expansion works. You decide on a council level to sell off a plot of land for development. Also this law most likely covers all demolished or heavily renovated housing as well.
This doesn't just happen on a national level all at once - Not everyone needs or wants a new home. Supply, demand, growth and economy
gusty kiln
Granted in looking at it from an American pov
gusty kiln
I imagine you can get fiber anywhere on the planet
I mean yeah, just taking about in the context of the article I posted
ashen spindle
big cpu releases, big delays and big costs
gusty kiln
Is there an actual release date now?
thick pine
big cpu releases, big delays and big costs <:dogekek:846285268289323069>
Hey!! I’m at work rn helping to make those 👌
ashen spindle
Eh it’s gonna be some OEM builds that get released at some point and just B2B at unknown dates
AWS gets them whenever possible so probably since some months
gusty kiln
Ooff
gusty kiln
Seems to be the top dog for AI
Though I have no idea what any of these benchmarks are actually doing
And dunno how different it is from the AI nvidia is working on
desert solar
I have a wooting 60he but when I started using it I noticed that for some reason there is a interference with my steel series nova pro wireless mic I now have no control on the gain for my mic and have to yell to be heard.
I have no idea how to fix it
ashen spindle
carmine fiber
That's so weird 😄
desert solar
I know
carmine fiber
My old keyboard had a thing where the RGB would cause a really annoying high frequency sound to be picked up by my mic
ashen spindle
likely not related unless its usb hub polling but this is the wrong channel if it is somehow caused by the keyboard
carmine fiber
My old keyboard had a thing where the RGB would cause a really annoying high fre...
Was fully inaudible to my ear but I thought my mic was picking up a case fan or something, then realized it gets worse when I move my mic closer to my keyboard
gusty kiln
Oh damn, 8490H uses quite a bit more power on average
desert solar
I am using a stix 570 e-gaming mobo
fair gull
can we move your support to #1019755933959733258 where you already made a post please?
desert solar
ok
fair gull
please dont fight children
wheat plume
I really REALLY hate my laptop keyboard's lack of media payback keys
I only have volume keys and it sucks
Im using KDE connect to skip the song via my phone instead :')
very useful
is Linux though :P Windows doesnt like my laptop
which is funny cause it came with Windows
I need to download the drivers from the OEM for the touchpad, wifi and SD card to work in Windows
crimson wigeon
Or your desktop environment will let you bind whatever to do media stuff
wheat plume
Possibly...
IDK what "Media Next" is meant to be on a keyboard that doesnt have one LOL
crimson wigeon
Incase you plug in a keyboard that has such a key..
wheat plume
oh, right yeah
gosh damn it..now I need to think of a shortcut I will remember and is easy to press
Meta+N for Next
Meta+P for Previous
Meta+M for Play/Pause toggle
perfect <3
Windows needs to add this feature natively, to make / edit keyboard shortcuts
Cause AHK is very very DIY
They do it with the damn touchpad, why not keyboard too?
crisp granite
I don't recall mac having such hotkeys
wheat plume
you can assign shortcuts and shit to taps and swipes of the touchpad
crisp granite
I will investigate
wheat plume
idk if Mac does, but its Unix based so IDK why it wouldnt
crisp granite
wait...
fuck it was on my macbook keyboard the entire time
someone is an idiot
crisp granite
I meant the idiot who's been using a macbook nonstop for 9 months and didn't even notice the media hotkeys printed on the keyboard
crisp granite
you fuckin know it
wheat plume
LOL
crisp granite
crisp granite
Mac got 24 function keys??????
f13-24 being secondary functions accessible with fn and f row
crisp granite
iirc physical f13-24 wasn't even a thing into the 90s
died out well before
along with the battlecruiser format as a whole tbh
wheat plume
The old Steelseries board I had, had 34 macro keys you could assign to shit ...
two columns on the very left of the board
and an extra row above FN row
I never used any of them,,,
crisp granite
I remember seeing one old corsair board with a 3x6 bank of macro keys
wheat plume
ALSO
The Steelseries software let you layer these macro keys with FN modifier, so you had 72 macros in theory
crisp granite
I remember seeing one old corsair board with a 3x6 bank of macro keys
only know of it in ISO-DE though
weirdchamp
wheat plume
if you like macros...then yeah LOL
crisp granite
also don't know it's model name
crimson wigeon
My old G15 also, 3x6 of those G keys, and 3 layers to switch between and I never used them
Well actually I did at one point bind a screenshooting thing there I guess..
frozen ingot
I used those a lot on my first gen G15
that's the only keyboard I've owned that's actually had dedicated macro keys
wheat plume
Hek xd
I don't wanna review this, I gave it those perms
halcyon moss
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1062285432014000209/1062433549971636244/I...
kernel compiles per hour, now thats a neat metric
ashen spindle
It’s a good one to have scaling that you can actually display with sensible numbers lol
fair gull
id personally be for firefox or chromium compiles per hour
ashen spindle
wouldnt that be more or less the same thing
fair gull
the only time i did compile ff from source it took ages
threadripper took 5mins for 1 compile apparently
ashen spindle
I mean the dual 96654 is two 96 core cpus lol
so you have 384T for compilation
oh and like up to 400W for each
fair gull
for me on an 3950X
Chromium: 2h 15m Firefox: 19m
That's without the dependencies
holy
chrome is chonky
ashen spindle
that doesn't seem right
if the older threadripper can do it in less than an hour
then again different versions/configs probably
The new high-end Genoa processors can compile a default Linux x86_64 kernel build in less than 20 seconds!
Or building out a full kernel with all available kernel modules can be done in under two minutes.
wheat plume
Ooo
tropic nacelle
I'm hoping the fact they haven't announced pricing is that they are really considering pricing these aggressively.
I look forward to the third party benchmarks to decide either a new rig or the 5800x3d for £340, I see they have company of heroes 3 for this CPU in Japan as a new deal so that might end up coming to the west which would be a nice bundle for me
halcyon moss
if the older threadripper can do it in less than an hour
you know... i'd like a m1/m2 in this chart for comparison...
ashen spindle
buy them one 😛 apple aint seeding reviewers with shit
but that chart is also 5 years old by now
wheat plume
If I was to patch the game's exe on my computer and then transfered that exe to my Deck and then added that exe as a non-steam game...would it work?
ashen spindle
you know... i'd like a m1/m2 in this chart for comparison...
has the m2 in there
granted its open source data so not perfecty conditions for comparison but since it has more than one it should be at least somewhat of a correct range
halcyon moss
thats such a terrible score i have a hard time believing that
ashen spindle
I can believe it because I don't think the llvm optimizations are as good on apple yet
there are other comparisons like
but techspot was building the mac version not the windows version
so they were building different things
so I think it's real just not a good comparison for what it can actually do lol
halcyon moss
hmm yeah, thats not fair either 🙂
ashen spindle
but we are also looking at a 45w laptop chip vs 200w or more chips lol
halcyon moss
true
ashen spindle
apple definitely has the adwantage that they dont need to scale their chips
very akin to the benefits console games have over making them for pc lel
just to an even bigger degree
fair gull
If I was to patch the game's exe on my computer and then transfered that exe to ...
until a patch replaces it yes
fair gull
thats what i said about Age of Mythology aswell
a 2002 game
that got a dlc a few years ago
wheat plume
but legit, this game wont get any update with a dead studio
fair gull
like 3 yrs or so
fair gull
but legit, this game wont get any update with a dead studio
well AoM studio was dead
fair gull
another studio bought the IP
wheat plume
ooh
fair gull
and updated the steam version
wheat plume
idk if that will happen for Split Second cause Disney are the publishers and they dont like selling things
fair gull
im unsure if a publisher can stop sale of the IP of the studio/whoever has it now
really depends on the contract i guess
wheat plume
Technically Disney have it cause they are the ones who shut the studio down :/
ashen spindle
that doesnt automatically say disney have it
wheat plume
magic?
ashen spindle
you can pull air in from the glas on top
wheat plume
LOL
fair gull
damn
ashen spindle
idk how else it could do that
still loom
Looks like an O11
ashen spindle
yeah its a bad copy lol
fair gull
ya
ashen spindle
the 32C it shows must be when the pc is off because otherwise that sounds impossible lmfao
still loom
Nah 32C idle can be pretty normal with a well cooled case
wheat plume
the 32C it shows must be when the pc is off because otherwise that sounds imposs...
I thought that was possible with an AIO like that?
Maybe not under heavy load though
fair gull
it would need to pull all its air from those small top slits and through the psu
ashen spindle
yeah but how does an aio cool it if the aio cant get air to cool the radiator lol
fair gull
or it just has massive gaps everywhere
ashen spindle
oh wait that fron radiator is for the cpu and the gpu is air cooled
this setup just confuses me
so the cpu could actuall be cool but the gpu will fry lmfao
fair gull
maybe they use vacuum motors for the fans
still loom
Seen the new ROG Hyperion? The side panel where cable management is is completely glass, meaning the side fans can't pull anything 😂
fair gull
you turn it on and just hear 13 vacuums screatching at you
ashen spindle
wait where is the psu
still loom
wait where is the psu
In the second chamber
wheat plume
Behind the motherboard I guess
still loom
Like an O11
fair gull
thats 1 flat psu
ashen spindle
hmm guess so, on this image that doesnt look like it would fit
still loom
Maybe smol PSUs only
pale sigil
Lol they ripped their case
fair gull
from that image the case wouldnt fit smol psus only server like slot ins at best
ashen spindle
expensive case that limits you to SFF psu which limits you to lower power cards which is how they avoid the heat issue of bigger cards lmfao
genius
fair gull
wait why dont we do that
have a special barrel plug on the w60he so people need to use a psu
avoids all the power issues
genius
ashen spindle
fair gull
we will beat finalmouse and their gpu keyboard to the race
fair gull
they stated their keyboard will have its own cpu, gpu stuff to render the UE4 backgrounds
reef patrol
we will beat finalmouse and their gpu keyboard to the race
Sorry - Raspberry Pi already did it (simpsons did it)
wheat plume
they stated their keyboard will have its own cpu, gpu stuff to render the UE4 ba...
Sounds like it'll be too thick to use without a wrist rest xd
Wait
I thought you meant it could host an eGPU... Lol
fair gull
rpis use normal usb micro and usb c
reef patrol
Still need a power supply
fair gull
ya but thats lame
i want all the cords
we also add RCA jacks for RGB
next wooting confirmed ™️
reef patrol
wheat plume
Use PS/2 instead of USB
fair gull
no one has that these days except some boutique mobos
wheat plume
I think mine has one :')
reef patrol
no one has that these days except some boutique mobos
Or literally every budget option.
ashen spindle
they keep it on all high end becase usb has cold bug issues if you LN2 OC or so
reef patrol
et cetera
wheat plume
I doubt my mobo is high end :')
wheat plume
Doesn't have vram cooling or heatsinks on the m.2 slots and shit like that
Or a bios upgrade button and whatnot
ashen spindle
I just said why high end still has it, didn't say all ps2 boards are high end
wheat plume
Fair
reef patrol
still loom
Useless
ashen spindle
yeah but it wont for quite some time
frozen ingot
are there still ps/2 keyboards available
wheat plume
Possibly for retro purposes yeah
But I doubt anyone is making a modern board with one
frozen ingot
technically ps/2 should be more reliable if your system runs into potential issues with the usb controller
vagrant pagoda
I mean cherry and unicomp make PS2 boards
vagrant pagoda
wut
This is true though
PS2 also lets you disable all the USB controllers to prevent bugs with high base clocks.
wheat plume
Oo ....
That makes more sense
Although
I can hit my bindings with one hand
Per app bindings work when the app isn't focused?????
O
Oh
Mpc
ncmpcpp is one I tried before
Aha
I preferred the other one
it has a shorter name and easier to setup since it doesn't need a daemon
Forgot the name ;_;
Moc?
Mpc? Idk
It's a blue themed TUI app
Ye ye
Cli is different
It's just command line
TUI is a pseudo GUI
Something like ncurses or whatnot
Aha!
Possibly but I hate the UI ;_;
Rhythmbox is great with the alternative toolbar plugin
gusty kiln
man I that would be useful if I still had local music
too lazy and just stream music now
tropic nacelle
It was all about winamp in my day!
Those were the days
crimson wigeon
It really whipped the llamas ass
wheat plume
Windows Only ;-;
wheat plume
Amberol is written in Python, interesting
fair gull
It was all about winamp in my day!
Those were the days
damn i still remember winamp.... i used it for so long until like 4 yrs ago when i switched to AIMP on mobile and pc
reef patrol
llama whipping intensifies
empty wren
https://itsfoss.com/best-music-players-linux/
Number one obviously has to be windows Media player
tropic nacelle
damn i still remember winamp.... i used it for so long until like 4 yrs ago when...
Ah that was the other one I couldn't remember the name!
I think winamp later on turned into very questionable malware in the end but my memory might be wrong haha
frozen ingot
it got rather bloated with version 3 and onwards I think?
I stopped using it as my main music player but kept it around for the visualizers
reef patrol
Ah that was the other one I couldn't remember the name!
I think winamp later on...
Definitely wrong, just bloated and some features were premium, paid for
crimson wigeon
YEAH MILKDROP
frozen ingot
https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/1094xnc/what_are_these_connector_...
I member these ports
gusty kiln
frozen ingot
never had two voodoo2 cards though
fair gull
no we are at the point people have a 1070 in 2023
gusty kiln
Don't blame em with current pricing
frozen ingot
I had 980 and 780 until last year
gusty kiln
6000 series are decent, but no one wants to buy em
tropic nacelle
Definitely wrong, just bloated and some features were premium, paid for
Bad memory then!
"On December 6, 2022, Winamp 5.9.1 was released, adding a music NFT playback feature"
NFTs, how far it's fallen xD
gusty kiln
Which music streaming platform is the "best" atm?
reef patrol
Bad memory then!
"On December 6, 2022, Winamp 5.9.1 was released, adding a music...
That is years past Winamp death tbf
astral haven
deezer is probably what you are looking for
astral haven
spensiv
astral haven
watermarks?
astral haven
[citation needed]
far as i can tell they use a backer service as a source for alot of their library, and i suspect its the same as deezer's
deezer has nice recommendations tho...
gusty kiln
deezer has nice recommendations tho...
currently using YouTube music cuz I have youtube premium
ashen spindle
who is stupid enough to set up a 5k+ rig without checking if stuff works
pale sigil
Someone who works at a place who orders GPUs and decides to borrow them for upvotes
That's who
astral haven
currently using YouTube music cuz I have youtube premium
dont think its free with yt premium is it?
gusty kiln
dont think its free with yt premium is it?
it is
astral haven
👀 interesting
gusty kiln
reef patrol
YT Premium is such a scam.
pale sigil
You pay for it as a service bundle as it's always been.... Just before it was YouTube music instead
astral haven
You pay for it as a service bundle as it's always been.... Just before it was Yo...
is it cheaper for yt without music?
pale sigil
YT Premium is such a scam.
Not if you move to India for the day 
gusty kiln
you can't get it without
pale sigil
Correcto.
gusty kiln
11.99 for ad free youtube and music is not bad
reef patrol
Ad free***
*** In video advertisements not removed
pale sigil
Well, that's an issue that's now entirely down to YouTube
So it's still a correct statement
gusty kiln
yeah
reef patrol
Well. No. It is not correct 😄
astral haven
Well, that's an issue that's now entirely down to YouTube
yet i have a "youtube" app that solves that problem
reef patrol
And yes - It is absolutely up to YT to correct.
gusty kiln
I wonder how much I contribute to channels revenue compared to normal users
ashen spindle
not really much more
gusty kiln
only bad thing about youtube music is that there is not desktop app officially
only a web-app
astral haven
only bad thing about youtube music is that there is not desktop app officially
work doesnt let me use a desktop app
how good are the yt music recommendations?
ive heard linus complaining alot about them...
gusty kiln
it's... ok
it gives recommendations with several Mix based on genre
Also a New Release Mix and Discovery Mix
which is just music slightly outside your comfort zone
gusty kiln
I was on spotify until my account got taken over by some russian
pale sigil
Sounds like a you problem lol
gusty kiln
no 2FA is annoying
pale sigil
Must be weak then because that sounds pretty unrealistic
I've never been breached on Spotify.
Nor on most platforms, always use rando gen long char
gusty kiln
well regardless, I've never gotten any google account taken over
spotify seems to have a breach every other month
gusty kiln
Yeah I don't really mind it
astral haven
i wish i could disable my password for google tbh
i set an impossible to remember password, and i use the password reset option to get in every time
final flame
and that's why you use a password manager
astral haven
google is my password manager lel
final flame
Tru that
I really need to setup bitwarden but I haven't gotten around to actually doing that
tropic nacelle
Nah bitwarden is a great password manager.
nothing wrong with keepass but I moved onto bitwarden, it is very good.
I'm disappointed Spotify still haven't released higher quality flac playback.
I ended up moving to Amazon music as it's cheaper, has the same content (in my genres, in my experience) and has included higher quality audio in the price.
Spotify hi-fi has been coming soon for years now, they have been caught off by apple and Amazon charging £0 extra for the feature.
gusty kiln
yeah they are in the same spot as netflix
astral haven
Nah bitwarden is a great password manager.
nothing wrong with keepass but I move...
yay online password storage where you have to trust the website
love it
tropic nacelle
yay online password storage where you have to trust the website
love it
You can host it yourself?
Open source joys!
Independent assessment and reviews on their solution. It's significantly better than other password managers if you want a cloud hosted option.
tropic nacelle
How so? Depends on the person I guess.
Keepass keeping it synced in Google drive was one way but not the best way. It's not a great user experience for many devices.
astral haven
🤷 use a different keepass client then
tropic nacelle
True, maybe better ones these days but bitwarden does it all, very good in my opinion.
Can't believe people still use services like lastpass xD
reef patrol
Does anyone? Gotta pay to use it on PC and Phone these days. Bitwarden ftw
tropic nacelle
Does anyone? Gotta pay to use it on PC and Phone these days. Bitwarden ftw
Anecdotally two of my friends still use it even though I've tried to get them to migrate on a few occasions, every time there is a security breach xD.
Bitwarden does what lastpass does on their free tier pretty much so I don't see the appeal these days especially since it's proven to be fallible and their response to the breach was abysmal
reef patrol
I migrated to Bitwarden in about a minute, including importing everything from Lastpass seamlessly. Haven't looked back 😄
pale sigil
I migrated to Bitwarden in about a minute, including importing everything from L...
Same as soon as they introduced the limit on LP last year.
astral haven
hmm
does it support authenticating through google?
pale sigil
i also pay for bitwarden
tropic nacelle
Yeah I've gone through quite a few password managers finding a decent one and bitwarden eventually won me over.
pale sigil
hmm
does it support authenticating through google?
Why would you do it through google?
astral haven
thats the one feature that isnt available for keepass for obvious reasons
pale sigil
Just use their auth
astral haven
Just use their auth
does bitwarden allow passwordless mfa?
pale sigil
no idea, i just use 2fa for steam etc
astral haven
-_-
pale sigil
have like 20 sites with 2fa
pale sigil
i dont really like using google
astral haven
buuut
my memory is solidly below average
so i cant make a secure password
pale sigil
for my auth stuff tbh
pale sigil
buuut
my memory is solidly below average
so i cant make a secure password
rando gen
astral haven
literally unable to remember them without drilling for many many months on end
tropic nacelle
does bitwarden allow passwordless mfa?
I use a yubikey for my 2fa but I don't think there is a full password less option yet, might be wrong
astral haven
i cant make an account without a master password
astral haven
and it wont let me use google for login
tropic nacelle
Oh that's what you meant by Google login. No it wont
pale sigil
it does
astral haven
🤷 as simple as keypass is, it supports google...
tropic nacelle
No they mean "login via Google" so oauth2 with google
pale sigil
ohhhhh
tropic nacelle
Not the 2fa code
astral haven
because I can spend the time and effort to secure 1 account
tropic nacelle
Yeah that's not a secure way, if your Google account got compromised they would be able to use the key to go into all your passwords
pale sigil
but you can but with bitwarden
lol
You can literally only need to worry about lastpass
tropic nacelle
It's why it's a separate login
pale sigil
Not a single password i have is not rando genned.
astral haven
Yeah that's not a secure way, if your Google account got compromised they would ...
thats the point...
instead of it being bitwarden, its google
pale sigil
Bitwarden encrypts everything so even if the login is obtained gl with getting access
tropic nacelle
thats the point...
I mean yeah doing that means your passwords could be compromised by Google being compromised.
That is definitely not what you want, a password manager needs to minimise attack vectors.
pale sigil
Despite LassPass being compromised every other day the same can be said there.
pale sigil
You can still have 1 vector
Ah so its more
You trust google more to secure it
vs bitwarden
astral haven
because google will not allow someone into my account without sending me many many many emails
pale sigil
bitwarden can be the same tho
tropic nacelle
No you want Google to have access to it which means another vector.
Of course google would aim to not let unauthorized people into your account but that's not guaranteed!
astral haven
No you want Google to have access to it which means another vector.
Of course ...
you dont understand
astral haven
you dont understand
i want to be able to prevent access to the bitwarden account without going through google
sso style
astral haven
using what
pale sigil
either key or google auth or even push auth
key you would have to store on device tho
astral haven
[citation needed]
final flame
right here...
astral haven
far as i can tell, bitwarden supports all of the above as a second auth method after a password
pale sigil
ok nah they are right
still need a password but the password is worthless
if you make a key
so a shit password is fine
astral haven
with my randomized google password that I dont even know (I think its in a safe), I need 2 other auth methods to get in
tropic nacelle
They do seem to offer SSO for googlr suite as enterprise
You still need an account on bitwarden though
pale sigil
Honestly
seems rather overcomplicated
for the sake of remembering a single password
tropic nacelle
I don't see the issue personally, it's 1 username and password xD
pale sigil
ye lol
and a key if you want
which i use for like 4 linux servers myself xD
LassPass is so shit now, i do miss them a little.
THey did a lot of things BitWarden doesnt or just better in general.
tropic nacelle
I have over 800 passwords in mine haha
pale sigil
But i cant complain for $10/year
pale sigil
I have over 800 passwords in mine haha
i did but i spent a week purging shit.
woke up to like 40 emails once to purge my data from sites too....
Was not fun
tropic nacelle
It's a bargain for what it is, at work we moved to a selfhost passbolt and it was just so behind bitwarden for years it irked me, I ended up having policy updated to allow me to use both xD
tropic nacelle
Yeah that wasnt on the table as new CTO picked passbolt and wouldn't consider an alternative at the timr
tropic nacelle
Annoyingly it was his decision and me implementing it.....
tropic nacelle
This is true
astral haven
my boss picked sso lel
if the service doesnt support sso, we wont implement it
pale sigil
At the end of the day its business vs personal and i personally wont rely on another service for login.
tropic nacelle
my boss picked sso lel
if the service doesnt support sso, we wont implement it
https://bitwarden.com/help/about-sso/
It does if that helps 🙂
astral haven
At the end of the day its business vs personal and i personally wont rely on ano...
ye and you picked bitwarden and i picked google
pale sigil
Though i will admit i am terrified how everything in my life is via a single loin.
pale sigil
ye and you picked bitwarden and i picked google
Well, i picked LassPass first xD
astral haven
https://bitwarden.com/help/about-sso/
It does if that helps 🙂
no i mean for services that we use as a company
tropic nacelle
no i mean for services that we use as a company
That makes more sense, it's a fair requirement once you've setup with it!
astral haven
i already pay for google
tropic nacelle
Ooo openreach has informed me I will be able to get their latest FTTP 1gb+ service between now and 2025... Small window xD
"it's ready, sign up now"
I feel lied to
tropic nacelle
Is that with data caps as well?
gusty kiln
man data cap in 2023
astral haven
fortunately no those were removed
pale sigil
i already pay for google
i use google one thats about it lol
pale sigil
Google Business costs to much for me to justify .
astral haven
250tb of storage for 20/mo
tropic nacelle
Wow 5gig up and down is crazy, what's wrong with that then?
I still can't believe data caps are a thing in a lot of providers in America still.
tropic nacelle
Ah so it's fast but may die at any moment
Rather the tortoise in that scenario I think haha
astral haven
x tb via multiple accounts
It's 250tb/1 account
pale sigil
It's 250tb/1 account
I thought they capped transfer
astral haven
I thought they capped transfer
yes but its enough to fill 250tb in a year
pale sigil
eh 
astral haven
after you upload a certain amount each day they throttle your speed
resets after 24 hours
(this is second hand info bc i dont have a fast enough upload speed to max it out)
pale sigil
Sure? this is weird because the person who hosts my Plex uses it.
And he has to auto swap accounts due to outright not allowing more transfer.
astral haven
but if you upload gigabit you get throttled before the end of the day
astral haven
And he has to auto swap accounts due to outright not allowing more transfer.
🤷 which account do they have
again i dont have a business account, i have an enterprise account
astral haven
with a domain (hosted by google ofc)
pale sigil
And they are worried about Google going down on this abuse.
pale sigil
No idea
astral haven
I also am basically using it like cloud storage mostly
astral haven
and as you can see only about 6tb stored
pale sigil
So they must use enterprise
astral haven
ye
i thought you were talking about sub 100tb of data
nah your speed drops off a cliff at 250tb
then they later block you
pale sigil
Either way i just asked out of curiosity.
I know at one point they were buying .edu emails lol
as a backup
astral haven
yea
for edu the 250tb limit is per domain...
pale sigil
It became pointless to use them or something.
astral haven
yep
tropic nacelle
They rely on donations pretty much.
Is that someone hosting many Plex servers or is it hosting Plex with their content for people to stream?
pale sigil
Is that someone hosting many Plex servers or is it hosting Plex with their conte...
The latter
People need to stop transcoding 👏
No reason to transcode, if you can't direct play don't use Plex.
Well the are rarish reasons to transcode I guess.
astral haven
el phone doesnt support it, the chromecast is lagging
etc
astral haven
my phone cant play any of my uhd bluray rips
they aaare 50mbps streams lel so its probably the connection, but still
pale sigil
Oh, this Plex locks/separates 4k content entirely
You have to basically request access and say you can handle the bandwidth
In general it's an entirely automated system
Every user can login and auto fetch content via overseer.
astral haven
as is my NAS
pale sigil
Ye exactly it's great
But ye, I prefer separating 4k
I'll show you what I mean in a min
helps with avoiding not needed 4k
is where i was going with this
pale sigil
ye i get that
astral haven
so 1080p doesnt look great on anything
pale sigil
but tbh i rarely watch 4k
even on my 1440p monitor/ipad
does not seem worth it, unless im using a TV but even then i dont usually bother.
pale sigil
My issue is none HDR 4K
astral haven
ye well
pale sigil
Overseer seems to fetch HDR a lot
astral haven
thats not easy to get to begin with
pale sigil
now
the annoying thing with two libraries is this lol
when you have 4k/1080p ver
tbf they tried out jellyfin but no one used it
i really dont like jellyfin
astral haven
my favorite platform is google shared drives lmao
very easy to stream
doesnt work with copyrighted content ofc
astral haven
yikes
crisp granite
classy
tropic nacelle
This is cringe
Them painting a quest 1? Seems like public outcry is big for 4+ years support of a platform which is in an emerging market restricted by technology advances.
pale sigil
Them painting a quest 1? Seems like public outcry is big for 4+ years support of...
No, using the recent news to advertise.
tropic nacelle
No, using the recent news to advertise.
Oh yeah the outcry from the support being dropped inan year.
Reddit in meltdown or at least that sub haha.
When you think it's a snapdragon 835 that was old before it even released it's done quite well on features and support as it's got lots of updates.
Phones generally only get a couple of years, Samsung do 4 recently so this doesn't seem that far removed considering it was a mobile platform and Qualcomm are known for being pretty bad at supporting long term so I can imagine it was costing FB a ton
crisp granite
tbh...considering they're dumping tons of money into the metaverse or whatever
pale sigil
To keep supporting it i mean.
crisp granite
killing support for headsets at all
kinda poo
especially since the quest 2 is kind of a hard nope
and the quest pro is an extreme nope
tropic nacelle
Nah it doesn't cost nothing, it costs a significant amount of money and resources to maintain an old legacy platform while the technology has advanced significantly.
pale sigil
Nah it doesn't cost nothing, it costs a significant amount of money and resource...
In the grand scheme of things, its nothing.
tropic nacelle
They added hand tracking and multi tasking in the last year, it had active development all the way through.
crisp granite
In the grand scheme of things, its nothing.
considering how much fucking money they were losing and still are on this metaverse bet... it makes sense they'd axe supporting legacy hardware first
pale sigil
$320 Billion
ashen spindle
it costs them a lot in the sense if it's supported new stuff can be expected on it when it really should be phased out due to weaker hardware
pale sigil
You do business, sell a product then abandon it, they also seem to backtrack on their word about unlocking the Quest 1 for legacy users to do as they wish.
pale sigil
it costs them a lot in the sense if it's supported new stuff can be expected on ...
They aren't phasing it out.
ashen spindle
and its not like they suddenly stop working
pale sigil
They are outright removing loads of features.
tropic nacelle
It's also on a very old chipset regardless of age it was a consumer "prototype" really... Sadly.
But they made it work and gave significant updates to it since 2019 so I can't see much hate to be honest
pale sigil
Removing services from it entirely, all from simple party systems to major stuff.
tropic nacelle
They are removing the party system as it will no doubt have higher quality avatars and other "features" long term.
It's not used by many people before and they tried to remove it years ago on both pc and quest
pale sigil
People use it though, there were loads of comments of people using it with family weekly/monthly.
tropic nacelle
You can still play multiplayer and invite friends.
When do you think it's reasonable to end support ?
ashen spindle
they dont get new features, no system fixes after 2023 and only meta horizon home is going away
idk that really doesnt seem like much
pale sigil
I think its just unreasonable entirely, just create a final working version.
Dont just outright remove features that have worked fine for years.
ashen spindle
meta horizon home not being support can hardly matter to people?
pale sigil
This is a reason i wont invest a lot into a phone, also the quest 1 was a lot more expensive than the quest 2.
pale sigil
meta horizon home not being support can hardly matter to people?
People still use it though.
ashen spindle
this is like an mmo dropping old console support
tropic nacelle
they dont get new features, no system fixes after 2023 and only meta horizon hom...
It's because mostly "meta bad" when meta are the biggest investors of VR and are one of the major reasons for big studio AAA games and developers being financially viable in the market.
And they contributed to openXR significantly for the market as a whole. On balance a great thing but "meta bad"
pale sigil
I have a Quest 2 and still think its not as bad as people say.
I dont think "meta bad"
id say the same about SteamVR headsets from Valve.
If they removed homes for example it would be incredibly lame, though tbf they bank from that since a lot of outfits etc are sold on the marketplace.
tropic nacelle
Sorry didn't mean to seem that was aimed at you, more the general Reddit type people it seems.
pale sigil
STILL WAITING FOR MY GLOVES MARK
WHERE ARE MY GLOVES
yes im aware a new updated version was teased, or well the proto
tropic nacelle
I guess there are problems with the party system, when support ends then there will be games on quest2+ where if you were in the party you wouldn't be able to take them to the same game as it's not supported.
Small feature loss I think personally
pale sigil
Thankfully big screen is a thing
i always avoid discord for VR personally.
Its kills immersion
Well
Its a shame Horizon VR is ps only
But i dont want a PS5 xD
;-;
tropic nacelle
AMS2 is just too good in VR
tropic nacelle
What put you off it or stopped you bothering?
pale sigil
Eh, multiple things that i hope get fixed soon in my life.
Though i got to used to wireless vr lol
Battery sucks.
But my main issue is room size.
ashen spindle
wont get psvr but will need a ps5 in the summer for ff16 lol
pale sigil
I was meant to move into a bigger room in Sept.... last year....
ashen spindle
for vr I just hope deckard comes this year
crimson wigeon
As if
tropic nacelle
Battery is easily solved with a battery pack on the back headstrap, easily near 4 hours for most if not more.
pale sigil
Battery is easily solved with a battery pack on the back headstrap, easily near ...
Aye which leads onto another issue.
Default strap is OK but annoying.... in general i decided ill just invest properly when i move room.
I also got it before the price increase for that reason
because i knew id eventually use it a lot more lol
tropic nacelle
Oh yeah default strap is a step back, bobo VR or kiwi strap for £20 was all you needed 🙂
tropic nacelle
Yeah similar, it was higher quality in terms of build.
CV1 RIFT was just too good compared to all of them really, it was expensive though haha
pale sigil
In general Quest 2 did a lot of lame things but tbf the later price was just to good.
pale sigil
Yeah similar, it was higher quality in terms of build.
CV1 RIFT was just too g...
Ye, mine still lives lol
tropic nacelle
It made a niche product into a mainstream product to be fair, the cuts made sense for a big product.
I know so many people with quest 2 but would never have considered it before (very anecdotal ofc)
pale sigil
I used to VR with CV1 but my spine borked and in general it was so much damn effort just to play VR games i could never be bothered.
Quest 2 i just connec to wifi and im sorted PCVR wise, i love it.
Quest 1 IPD was also far superior.
And the screen.. but again for the price of 300 quid the Quest 2 it made sense, especially when the base model changed to 128gb
tropic nacelle
Been an avid VR fan since DK2 days, ive gone through most of the headsets over the years now.
Cv1 was just too good compared to all of them, Oculus software on pc "just worked" compared to valve (still xD)
pale sigil
Oh i have been DK1 days
Ill never forget the time i wore my first DK1
That feeling...
And it was a horror game lol
Blew my mind... just said 'fuckin ell" out loud xD
tropic nacelle
Haha I missed out on the dk1 after being burned by kickstarters a few time before then, I was so close to going in and regret that a bit but at least VR happened again haha
pale sigil
My biggest issue with VR and still is... sadly the FOV.
For some reason the DK1 still feels better FOV height wise, i think its because it had bigger FOV height wise?
tropic nacelle
Yes I agree FOV needs to improve now, we need higher resolution though to convert that to a reasonable pixel density across the area
pale sigil
Shit res, smaller overall FOV but i think the lenses and height give it a different effect
tropic nacelle
Dk1 had higher fov yep, dk2 also but it was reduced due to lenses and consumer ability to run games
pale sigil
or it could simply be it was my first ever VR experience, but since DK1 VR never felt as good for me.... the goggle effect ruins it even now.
astral haven
For some reason the DK1 still feels better FOV height wise, i think its because ...
Have you tried it again recently?
pale sigil
Have you tried it again recently?
I dont own a DK1
astral haven
Dk1 is awful
astral haven
The fov isn't that good either
pale sigil
tropic nacelle
My dk2 is still in the cupboard somewhere. The main thing was the lack of god rays but at least things like the quest 2 are reduced significantly these days
astral haven
However it has a 9:8 aspect ratio and a very narrow horizontal fov
pale sigil
Even tho it looked shit there was just something about it.
That made it feel more immersive to me.
If you disregard graphics, res etc
astral haven
The fact that you hadn't tried VR before?
pale sigil
The fact that you hadn't tried VR before?
Most likely haha
tropic nacelle
It also helps you weren't used to it I guess, I found presence in CV1 was more than my quest 2 but the experience is "better" as I can see significantly more
pale sigil
But idk, i had one taste and when i got the CV1 years later it just felt disappointing, the goggle effect just ruined it for me completely.
astral haven
I went dk1 to cv1 to index
Gigantic upgrades each time
pale sigil
Res was also awful but still tons better but still bleh
astral haven
The cv1 controller weight is also pretty sweet
tropic nacelle
Dk2 > cv1 > index > rift s > quest 2 was my journey
pale sigil
i think it was the lens.
Btw
Oh and closer to eyes
And irrc each side had its own screen
And the FOV was smaller on the CV1
astral haven
dk1 was 1 screen
pale sigil
Ah well, whatever it was i m reading the forums and people say lens and distance.
So i guess im not the only one.
tropic nacelle
They were single up to rift cv1 and quest 1 then it went back to single for rift s and quest 2
pale sigil
I tried Vive once, i proffered my CV1.
Especially controller wise.
The wand was great for beat saber but i disliked it for anything else.
tropic nacelle
Yeah that was my experience, I liked the tracking but it was behind on a lot of things like audio and controllers.
Also hated steamvr at the time (still don't enjoy it sadly) as it always crashed or just didn't run properly, for me.
pale sigil
I dont like Steam VR either.
But i feel most of my frustrations are because of Oculus lol
astral haven
yep its perfect for me as an index user
pale sigil
Never said it was bad, just dont like it lol.
tropic nacelle
I had the same issue when I upgraded to the index on launch.
I was so disappointed with it that I actually ended up finding a rift s in Argos and picked it up to just make sure I wasn't being silly and it was so similar it was ridiculous to me
pale sigil
I will admit i kinda prefer Oculus's approach of panels.
I like the UI A LOT, both PCVR and Quest.
astral haven
I had the same issue when I upgraded to the index on launch.
I was so disappoi...
maybe they fixed it up significantly in just a few months
i got mine in dec 2018
pale sigil
And why tf is my steam vr home always reset?
tropic nacelle
I had it for 3 months to try it in alongside it and it definitely had advantages but it was 50/50 needing to power cycle it physically as it died on boot (software bug) and steam VR crashes more.
The main thing was the god rays being significantly worse than the rift s.
Loved the headphones and the small increase in FOV but it wasn't worth it after using it for 3 months.
Valve support was so bad I had to keep waiting so ended up using it for a few months before they would process the return xD
astral haven
I had it for 3 months to try it in alongside it and it definitely had advantages...
radeon or nv?
pale sigil
My biggest issue is value for money.