and you can move them around as a group
#πβtech
wheat plume
vagrant pagoda
That's what linus built at micron
Good for Ryzen 7000 as you can get single range 24gb instead of just single rank 16gb
So you can easily run 96GB
Zen 4 has issues with 4 sticks of dual rank
reef patrol
Oh yeah now that you mention it.
cursive summit
Now I'm confused again
Did you get it for 500 didgeridoos though 
ashen spindle
its been the same for years that budget cards come quite a while later
crimson wigeon
Just don't be poor lool
thick elk
It makes business sense to start with the high end, that way old stock can comfortably sold without having to dump it.
I wish gpu's went back to the good old days of the 400 / 1000 series
or even further back. I remember it took quite some time before my hd7950 got beat at the same price point
ashen spindle
halo product that is not a fully activated die 
probably more for quadro
dont think 48gb on consumer card is coming soon
ashen spindle
regular oled and tbf too small of a curve for that size I think
pale sigil
Trueeeee
Tbf that alienware monitor i could get for 500.... kinda
Ive been thinking about it.
When i say for 500, kinda but the other half would be from something i was not expecting to get.
worn night
Does anyone here have any good mice to recommend I already know about the super light
empty wren
Why it gotta always be a month patch behind
fair gull
Why it gotta always be a month patch behind
thats on rog hq
they just dont update the os for the phone fast enough
frozen ingot
isn't that a thing with all androids that isn't a google pixel tho
I remember my assmungs being late on updates as well
fair gull
oh no the latest flagship is sort of on time
usually a week or so late max
but as soon as youre not the latest model anymore
well tough luck
halcyon moss
samsung is pretty ok with updates!
asus only does 2 years of support on their flagships... which is a big nono for me
2 years after release
fair gull
i mean i still get updates just a month late
s10+ aswell
so a few years since it came out
halcyon moss
Which is longer than originally promised right?
fair gull
ill survive Β―_(γ)_/Β―
maybe a new xperia releases in june/july and ill get that anyway
had sonys forever and not all too happy with the s10+
frozen ingot
if I was getting an android again it would most certainly be an xperia
fair gull
sure hope the xperia 1 v is announced in april or may
cursive summit
maybe a new xperia releases in june/july and ill get that anyway
New Xperia keeps getting leaked details
We should get a new Xperia around same time the last one launched, which will be in a few months still
Man Xperia phones are pretty exciting even if very much overpriced
reef patrol
God I hate the term flagahip
reef patrol
Just shows the raw, chaotic energy of Chinese OEMs. And how when given better instructions magic can happen π
frozen ingot
if they gained foothold among more "western" vendors it could make be serious threat to established brands entry portfolios
currently only for those brave enough aliexpress bargain hunters 
ashen spindle
not really because they wouldn't be able to make a foothold while not using legal copies of windows to save on price xD
frozen ingot
just sell it without, or bundle some weird windows lookalike linux distro
crimson wigeon
Time to bring back Lindows
frozen ingot
those who dare buying that thing probably won't gamble on using that piratejank copy of windows either way
always amusing to see how casually shameless the chinese attitude to IP is though
reef patrol
Honestly I've seen worse from local retailers (my own included) here.
It was VERY popular to rip old 7 and 8 codes to use on NEW machines, because of the free license upgrade.
(And still charging for the key as retail mind you)
frozen ingot
didn't someone go to jail for something similar to that
reef patrol
In the US I wouldn't be surprised. Only they can turn a question of copyright and civil court into something criminal.
Aka. every time Microsoft, Nintendo or their likes have issues with someone doing literally ANYTHING creative.
frozen ingot
iirc it was some guy who refurbished old machines that included copies of windows in purchases
fair gull
not really because they wouldn't be able to make a foothold while not using lega...
sell it unactivated easy
ashen spindle
an option, but wouldn't really be viable to establish a foothold imo
wheat plume
Time to bring back Lindows
LinuxFX
crimson wigeon
Perhaps but Lindows is still a better name
shy lotus
i have a superlight with glass skates, any mouse pad recommendations?
cursive summit
shadow minnow
Ah yes a gaming ssd
marsh glade
False advertising, I see no RGB
hardy pollen
https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/the-fastest-gaming-ssd-is-down-to-a-historic-lo...
i'm pretty sure the SN850X is FASTER than the 990 Pro:
not sure where they get the metrics that the 990 pro is faster
cursive summit
Are you a reliable source like Rock Paper Shotgun?
No?
Opinion invalid
Must be a gamer journo source to have a proper opinion
hardy pollen
lol
cursive summit
Between WD's and Samsung's top end SSDs I would literally pick whichever's cheaper
hardy pollen
Between WD's and Samsung's top end SSDs I would literally pick whichever's cheap...
i think sn850x is cheaper from just googling for uk prices
cursive summit
UK always has weirdly decent prices and deals on SSDs
ashen spindle
man, they show dlss3 in all the games at the CES talk and I just notice the ghosting from the hallucinated frames without even looking for it lol
in a 30fps stream LMFAO
reef patrol
You sent us an email about this, and I asked for more information.
Please reply back, and I'll look into it tomorrow π
empty wren
they just dont update the os for the phone fast enough
Zenefone got android 13π
ashen spindle
please do not eat your hardware despite the lekker name they are not for consumption
wheat plume
this chart is as useless as the ones Apple makes
empty wren
please do not eat your hardware <:dogekek:846285268289323069> despite the lekker...
But if you do eat it make sure to make asmr video
cursive summit
Wtf kind of metric is "performance"
Like, TFlops?
FPS?
Price of laptops?
TDP?
Man these tech events are just cringe
gusty kiln
Man going by these pricing, a 4060 will be a $500 card
pale sigil
Wtf kind of metric is "performance"
Yo mommas sessions last night vs others.
cursive summit
Eh
ashen spindle
Man going by these pricing, a 4060 will be a $500 card
you wish
cursive summit
Yo mommas sessions last night vs others.
You tried to be funni but try better next time
gusty kiln
4070 700, 4060 ti 600
ashen spindle
that makes the mistakes of believing the 4070ti is actially 799
gusty kiln
4060 500
ashen spindle
there is no FE model
gusty kiln
cursive summit
Man AMD can actually completely outplay Nvidia this generation
ashen spindle
so there will be one aib model that follows msrp, will be gone in less then a week and 899$ is back to the actual price
gusty kiln
Man AMD can actually completely outplay Nvidia this generation
They are already doing that this gen, but no one is buying
cursive summit
Nvidia's performance is good but the price they want is unjustifiable
gusty kiln
Or last gen i mean
cursive summit
3070 was a steal at 500$ and below
gusty kiln
6600xt to 6750xt are all better value than nvidia
crisp granite
The pricing this gen is atrocious
yep
gusty kiln
But no one is buying them
cursive summit
4070 will be like what, 700$?
crimson wigeon
Because muh DLSS
ashen spindle
that 799 model will be there for a week at most then its gone lmfao
gusty kiln
Yiiiiikkkeeesss
cursive summit
Man, 4050 will be like 399$
gusty kiln
Imagine paying 600 for a 60 series
cursive summit
Welcome to high end, because lowend is dead and we are trying to kill midend
ashen spindle
all the unlaunch of the 408012gb did is make the naming clearer and give us a few hundred cards at a lower price lmfao
pale sigil
It's 20 cards but worse
cursive summit
At this point the only thing for tech that looks remotely interesting is the Zen 4 X3D CPUs and perhaps that Radeon Vcache card
crisp granite
They are already doing that this gen, but no one is buying
I mean
tbh
I genuinely think I'll just be buying AMD next gen
they can actually put out solid cards for reasonable prices
I'm sure it's just the insane amount of used RTX 3000/ RX 6000 and new at wonderful discounts
pale sigil
They won't sell out like crazy if at all decently
crisp granite
cannibalising new sales
that and yes, pricing this gen is shit
that and I think lots of peeps are just buying steam decks
or deciding to wait this gen out for normal prices next go around
ashen spindle
new 3000 series? nah they stopped selling them at around the same time so its the same leftover stock as always more or less
crisp granite
new 3000 series? nah they stopped selling them at around the same time so its th...
that's what I mean
gusty kiln
285w on the 4070ti
gusty kiln
Wonder if the 4070 will be 200 watts
ashen spindle
no I mean, it is the same or less as with other gpu launches, so leftover 30 stock isn't an issue
gusty kiln
200w is my new target for gpu
ashen spindle
3080 is already not in stock since weeks here at mindfactory
gusty kiln
Yeah there are only random batches of 3080 at microcenter
Mostly 10gb lhr version too
crisp granite
still tons here on Canada Computers
healthy discounts
discounts that bring them down to launch MSRPs
ashen spindle
but nvidia also already sold those, they dont really care if retailers have issue getting rid of them
gusty kiln
Shame all the 550 6800xt are gone
ashen spindle
also I dont think steam deck sell enough to make a relevant dent in dGPU prices
cursive summit
Are we entering the point where people just don't care about GPUs that much anymore
1440p FPS is just high enough where nobody wants to switch to 4K
gusty kiln
Wait whose talking about the steam de k?
pale sigil
3080s still sell for the piece I paid
cursive summit
GPUs just don't really matter
pale sigil
And people mocked me
ashen spindle
what do you mean people dont care about gpus
the 4090 still sells out like any gpu does just not as fast as during mining times
gusty kiln
4090 SELLS OUT
ashen spindle
4080 is on shelfs because its just retarded pricing
gusty kiln
That's the same model microcenter has
Wonder if it's undesirable
That particular cooler
crisp granite
4080 is on shelfs because its just retarded pricing
crisp granite
mmhm
ashen spindle
whats sales tax in canada
crisp granite
dependent on province
gusty kiln
lol can get 3070 for like 550β¬ here meanwhile
Same in us
crisp granite
anywhere from 5 to 15%
ashen spindle
but not included I mean?
crisp granite
not at all
ashen spindle
so same price as 19% vat included price here lmfao
crisp granite
...yep
wheat plume
I love how one of the twitter devs has an Astolfo profile photo
gusty kiln
What's ya'll predictions for AMD tomorrow?
ashen spindle
laptops, more laptops
crimson wigeon
Mobilezen4d
crisp granite
mmmmamamaMOBILE
crisp granite
and hopefully pushing out some more vega iGPUs
they're terrible
I love them
still better than intel iGPUs
ashen spindle
eh they are doing ok in laptop space
gusty kiln
680m still pretty nice
ashen spindle
gotta keep in mind that lags behind since you only have prebuilt designs and systems at first before making new amd models
gusty kiln
Easily play esport games over 100 fps
Nice my stabs are coming tomorrow
Hopefully I can get rid of the rattle
cursive summit
FeelsBad for AMD in general
Like they are pretty damn good at what they do but that whole Blue Green mentality just doesn't give any leeway for team red
ashen spindle
asus also had one recently, dont think thats out yet either
going to be interresting if they can actually perform at that
gusty kiln
The dell is ips right?
Would be interesting if it can keep up with the TN
The asus one is tn
ashen spindle
yea ips
ashen spindle
I mean I mostly want to see if they actually can get ips that fast without issues
I wont drop down from oled anymore anyway xD
cursive summit
Typical OLED still seems like a downgrade
gusty kiln
But I'm thinking the TN will be like 1ms or less
cursive summit
You are trading off years of your panel lifetime until it inevitably burns in and becomes unusable
Maybe QD-OLED is just that tad bit better to prevent that more
gusty kiln
2.21 ms average on the 1440p 360hz
So it is good enough for 500hz
If using a similar panel
Probably replace the qd-oled with a superior tech by the time the burn in is an issue
Like 3-4 years from now?
cursive summit
That shouldn't be normal
No panel should be replaced in 3-4 years
My original display was used from 2006 to 2015, until it gave out
The replacement still runs
I got a Samsung VA like, 3 years ago now, not planning to replace it at all just like this brand new supplementary AOC
sharp badger
Isn't Asus revealing their displays today too? really interested in their new OLED
cursive summit
It should not be normal to just replace panels like socks
Same shit with phones and such
gusty kiln
The product was never meant for you
Meant for people who want to be on the bleeding edge
Those are the people who would upgrade
So it's fine for them
gusty kiln
Just people who know what they want
ashen spindle
its not that it should be normal to replace a monitor in 3-4 years its that in 3-4 years we hopefully have solutions that dont have that issue at all any more and till then you just pay a premium till then
gusty kiln
Wonder if monitors will hard stop at 1000hz
Think blurbuster said it would almost mimic reality at that point
reef patrol
5-600hz should be plenty.
crisp granite
mmm dumb question time
uh
anyone know where I could get low profile DDR5 DIMMs?
2x16gb?
speed is unimportant
ashen spindle
maybe, but my guess is maybe some more specific number that somehow mathematically makes more sense to keep up with correct frametiming and all
gusty kiln
mmm dumb question time
uh
anyone know where I could get low profile DDR5 DIMMs?
...
All the lower end gskill have minimal heat spreaders
sharp badger
@crisp granite I've got G.skill Ripjaws S5 , 33mm tall bought them from Amazon
This Kingston Fury kit is quite low profile too @crisp granite
crisp granite
something more like...
this
I need low profile
:(
tbh I am asking for something really niche
sharp badger
@crisp granite https://www.teamgroupinc.com/en/product/elite-u-dimm-ddr5
32mm high compared to Ripjaws which are 33mm
sharp badger
how low profile do you want?
*yes*
crisp granite
that...still isn't low profile enough
sharp badger
Don't think they exist π
sharp badger
Yeah
shadow minnow
Why did they make arduino board back as nice anymore π¦
Now I need to figure out what to do with this arduino
Since the main thing I already have done
But Iβll only be able to use it back in Slovakia
cursive summit
Bombastic is a term, Lana
Nothing weird about using it
Those "mm" literally mean nothing though
If the tuning is shit, the headphone is shit
And gaming headphones are almost universally garbage
wheat plume
this website has a lot of wasted space ...
the text takes up a very small amount of the page
Nyx server concept?
sharp badger
"this is a concept, not a product." π€
But interesting controller
Have Asus revealed their Displays yet though?
cursive summit
the text takes up a very small amount of the page
The rest is for the ads
sharp badger
https://rog.asus.com/articles/gaming-monitors/rog-swift-oled-pg27aqdm-intro/ No pricing yet? π€
cursive summit
Welcome to web3
sharp badger
Sigh
Wanted a release date for it too
''The ASUS ROG SWIFT OLED PG27 and ROG SWIFT PRO PG24 will be available in Q1 and Q2 of 2023, respectively. Prices are yet to be announced.''
But nice that there's more OLED monitor alternatives
ashen spindle
probably cheaper than making new designs if you reuse and scale it down
and if you have really overbuilt coolers for the better cards it looks really bad if the lower tiers are mediocre
empty wren
That sounds like oled
pale sigil
Always wondered, Apple Laptops call home via their OS but do Windows Laptops call home via hardware means or is it just purely hardware.
ashen spindle
huh
pale sigil
Eg bios, but tbf you would have to have an internet connection so doing something to the bios would not work.
I was looking at anti trust laws.
ashen spindle
I have no clue where you are going with this
ashen spindle
unless you mean surface, a lenovo laptop wouldn't have anything to do with windows anyway since MS has nothing to do with it
pale sigil
Im saying basically, other than Apple do you think Laptop makers use something to track Laptops outside of the OS.
Oh im on about in general.
ashen spindle
like a hidden gps
empty wren
Lenovo had spyware in the bios
pale sigil
Ye
empty wren
like a hidden gps
So laptop with sim then
pale sigil
But then i was wondering i wonder if some Laptops had sneaky shit.
ashen spindle
lol for state level spyware maybe, sounds like a fast track to getting banned form an entire market forever
pale sigil
HP used to be awful on their BIOS being full of shit.
empty wren
HP also has hard drives that failrd
pale sigil
haha im just curious, i was doing some research on this Laptop.
And then some articles came up.
ashen spindle
hanlons razor
ashen spindle
dont think its from malice if it can be from stupid decisions aka bad bios is more likely from them just being bad than spying or such
pale sigil
Ah
Laptops usually come with so much bloat... Lenovo used to be the worst i swear....
I setup so many for work.
ashen spindle
or some people thinking its totally fine to collect all the data you can get for just finding out what rgb color people like most instead, just because they dont realize the issues with it
pale sigil
also when it comes to value and losing or getting stolen with no way to track, tbh i couldn't trust myself with a macbook lol
id be constantly paranoid
pale sigil
Sorry, fixed.
crisp granite
also when it comes to value and losing or getting stolen with no way to track, t...
...
ashen spindle
ah
crisp granite
that or Mage stuck his hand up your ass and was playing ventriloquist
pale sigil
Also Doge i did betray you.
crisp granite
pale sigil
if macs were just more reasonable i would
pale sigil
not costing a grand for 1tb
crisp granite
Cal...what are you on about?
pale sigil
ashen spindle
yeah if you need any actual storage apple products are a ripoff
ashen spindle
well both are storage
pale sigil
you know what i meant
crisp granite
ramdisk moment
crisp granite
<:havo:975821613415157860>
I told ya
base model M1 Pro
or wait for M2 pro 14"
literally
best laptop
ever
pale sigil
Apple tags are great
ashen spindle
CES is going on btw so this week we'll get a ton of new laptop releases
crisp granite
meanwhile apple 14" laptop is comparable sizewise to lenovo 13"
exactly
16:10 says me
ashen spindle
Mhm yes portal rtx on a laptop, totally happening
crisp granite
16:10 says me
also I never realised how much I prefer it over 16:9 until recently
that extra bit of vertical headroom is just
mmm
ashen spindle
amd keynote not done so some might wait for all models to be revealed to show all the infos instead of jsut showing parts
cant wait to see how much a "4090" is losing to a 4060
shadow minnow
Well yes they are with how low margins nvidia now allows
So any reason not to use FRAM instead of EEPROM
crisp granite
looks don't mean jack
I'll use the cheapest looking controller on the planet if the shape is perfect and the insides are quality
pale sigil
Tbh after the deck I hate them all
reef patrol
Why is he being interviewed in the Flash's time machine chamber?
chrome estuary
That thumbnail is certainly vibrant
shadow minnow
It is it is
ashen spindle
lavalace really is thermi 2.0 lol
with the 4090 laptop being a 4080 die with like less than half power and lower clocks
fair gull
no we cant as the updates where at 200 difference and 300 difference of the model numbers
so only a 1380 could give us accurate results
ashen spindle
rip
wheat plume
Mutahar trying to be family friendly just aint feeling right
Do even Google forget Youtube Kids exists???
Dont push all that shit on the main platform
reef patrol
Do even Google forget Youtube Kids exists???
They never cared. EVERYTHING is Kids these days
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzTObouN9D0
Got an hour? π
wheat plume
No...Everything is trying to be family friendly for the sake of appearing clean and advertiser and investor friendly
so that they get more ad companies on board and more investors on their stock
reef patrol
It's almost as if Youtube are forcing them, if they want to you know... make a living π
wheat plume
yeah
This God Of War series would get fucking demonitised and age restricted if he uploaded it this year
.-.
and all he does is say the occasional swear word throughout the video
cursive summit
So Nvidia now has 2 ripoffs it seems
4080 and 4070Ti
Tbf 4090 is also a ripoff, it should be a lot cheaper than that
wheat plume
Interesting OS, I like it https://youtu.be/yajUbh0H6-s
Automatic atomic system updates that apply in the background when the right conditions are there and get installed during the next reboot
pale sigil
I have obtained another 5600x to test.
To completely eliminate my CPU once and for all.
reef patrol
Take it out behind the shed and send it to the fjords.
pale sigil
What teh fuck, tino gets like 200fps more than me
@digital cliff whats your GPU again
ashen spindle
6900xt
reef patrol
Do yourself a favour and reinstall windows completely fresh, then just the game and copy settings.
You're doing something VERY wrong.
pale sigil
Do yourself a favour and reinstall windows completely fresh, then just the game ...
I did hoe
reef patrol
Who you calling a hoe, rake!
pale sigil
on a fresh drive too
reef patrol
pale sigil
We basically have identical systems
except one is like so bad at ray tracing
Well
tbf both are
but still one is worse by a lot
reef patrol
Did you exit the game after applying settings?
pale sigil
We both played on low but anyway im transferring it to my fresh windows install, which.... i now have to yeet drivers from.
ashen spindle
any sort of v sync or such
pale sigil
we did it without vsync
ashen spindle
are you sure on your side, did it ever exceed your monitors hz?
ashen spindle
145 average on a 144hz screen doesnt sound like it exceeds it lol
pale sigil
sec
xD
ill look at the bloody sky
to check or floor
there
still cant beat tino looking at the floor
reef patrol
You're both using DX12? Identical settings?
Same GPU driver?
Restarted game every time you changed a setting?
ashen spindle
does he have any upscaling active in gpu settings?
pale sigil
You're both using DX12? Identical settings?
yes
reef patrol
Oh ffs... you're using different GPU chips π
WHY ARE WE EVEN HAVING THIS DISCUSSION. APPLES TO ORANGES
pale sigil
Yes but it shouldn't be that big man
ashen spindle
mansen a 6900xt isnt getting 200fps more on similar settings in anything to a 3080 lol
reef patrol
In a specific game? That's indie af? It sure as fuck could.
ashen spindle
absolutely not
reef patrol
Try 3-4 different games to be sure
pale sigil
we have been
ashen spindle
if anything this is on unreal so the opposite would make more sense
reef patrol
There's only four things that can fuck with your FPS like that.
- Different CPU (and clocking settings)
- Different GPU with vastly different core counts and performance (VRAM as well if it's peaking)
- RAM speeds.
- Fucked WIndows install.
ashen spindle
unplug your other monitors
ashen spindle
and make sure to not tab out till you look at the fps
pale sigil
ashen spindle
oh fuck off discord
tried to show images of the guys hair to show how your clearly have higher quality settings
no screencaps then
ashen spindle
https://mrpl.me/jb7089b_rfQ5.jpg
look at the hair here then, looks shit compared to your image
reef patrol
Yeah there's noticeable difference in both filtering AND the post processing for sure.
ashen spindle
o
pale sigil
one is on very low and other is on very high, the image i just posted was me comparing to the video i mentioned
pale sigil
guy on very high same gpu is getting 130-140fps
here
ashen spindle
hw acceleration in windows on or off for both of you?
reef patrol
Pleasant troubleshooting his GPU again comparing to your FPS
ashen spindle
you seem to have 200fps more than he gets
apparently
@pale sigil do you have 3d mark?
reef patrol
3DMark basic is free on Steam btw
ashen spindle
yeah but idk if the free basic edition has any actual tests or is just the demos without scores
reef patrol
It does
ashen spindle
yeah but 200fps difference could mean something else or show there is another problem perhaps
reef patrol
It just doesn't have all the tests or custom settings
ashen spindle
ah dont remember, got a free code back when it was not free with my inno 770 xD
pale sigil
Right ok so
Context because I'm confusing everyone here.
When I said 200 more fps I was using the same settings as tino, you can see the same spot and settings in the first image.
Second image was also same settings however the third one I was curious and was comparing very high with another source.
pale sigil
https://mrpl.me/jb7089b_rfQ5.jpg
Very low
pale sigil
Very low
pale sigil
https://mrpl.me/ea7091b_rfx6.jpg
Very high
Sorry to confuse peeps.
And yes I have 3dmark and own them all.
ashen spindle
well 3d mark would be an easy way to check your overall cpu/gpu scores for one thing then
pale sigil
Last I used 3d mark we did see a decrease by a decent amount
Vs my previous tests
But anyway I'm going to test something
I've grabbed my fresh os again
On a sperate drive
Well ye
Glad someone finally agrees it's fucked lol
crimson wigeon
That just looks like broken TAA or monitor
pale sigil
Not the monitor sadly
crimson wigeon
So broken TAA
Don't think modern UE lets you easily do that unless the game developers make it possible
pale sigil
I mean the issue is not just this game has it
On an unrelated note
High on life now has cloud saves
Finally
Ok so I can somewhat confirm fresh os upping my fps
ashen spindle
is there an option to disable TAA in high on life? if not I can bother the dev I know on it once I get it
pale sigil
220 now Vs tinos 338fps
That subreddit makes me puke
High in life in general has shit video settings
I'm gonna 3d mark on this fresh os
What one should I run @ashen spindle
ashen spindle
idk whatever you have that is cpu + gpu so we see both
TS/PR would be ideal yeah but FS ultra would also work if you dont have those
ashen spindle
timespy then
pale sigil
I was using 3dmark so much over the years I bought it all on sale.
So may as well keep using it
I just ran default
Good or bad idea?
pale sigil
Because I remember in the olde days there were different tiers of tests
ashen spindle
just firestrike that has 3 different tiers
cursive summit
pale sigil
just firestrike that has 3 different tiers
Ah, fair enough but man that one is still epic lol
pale sigil
CPU im still below average
I wonder what everyone else is doing to get a lot lot more GPU score than me
brb
ashen spindle
aint loading for me, 3dmark site shit as ever lol
oh looks mostly like cpu score with different ram
cursive summit
either of these headphones good
They are both great
Yet really damn different
Actually no Sundara seems to be more neutral, I thought it was more on the V shaped side
Never listened to the Verum but from what I've heard it's really high end, almost 1k sounding cans
Don't think Sundara has much against the Verum
fickle ore
@cursive summit btw managed to sell the hd800's for 600β¬ π
cursive summit
Cute
fickle ore
Gotta look for new cans this year or the next
pale sigil
Ok who's read for cringe
I've built many machines, so so so so many and this and never happened to me before.
cursive summit
You should be a vlogger
cursive summit
"I'm still shaking"
cursive summit
Like what you are doing drugs or what
pale sigil
Because it was painful removing the CPU
visual badger
Yuh this has always happened to me weirdly
pale sigil
Never happened to me and if was so difficult removing
cursive summit
Happened to me as well a few months back actually
pale sigil
its also pretty clear i put to much on
cursive summit
Nothing really dangerous
pale sigil
maybe
visual badger
So what I do now is run a stress test on cpu for 15 mins before removing the cooler comes off like warm butter
ashen spindle
too much doesnt hurt
pale sigil
Thermal paste was so dry tho
ashen spindle
yeah or get a hairdryer and point it at it to get it off
pale sigil
i meant crunchy dry
pale sigil
the cooler is borked tbf which is another reason im removing it as i need to send it off
Anyway i have put another 5600x in there
so im going to re run test xD
crisp granite
the cooler is borked tbf which is another reason im removing it as i need to sen...
...
what the fuck is up with your luck?
it seems every component you get is defective
reef patrol
Always wiggle Ryzen CPU cooler a bit before lifting. Gotta twist THEN pull.
visual badger
ive had 3 liquid coolers fuck u
Just get like a custom loop
reef patrol
ashen spindle
custom loop with his luck of stuff breaking would just collapse week 1
frozen ingot
and some wonder why I don't feel like bothering with liquid cooling
crisp granite
im going back to noctua
visual badger
custom loop with his luck of stuff breaking would just collapse week 1
Yk what. You right. Air cooler is the best cooler
visual badger
At this point air coolers are as good as liquid.
ashen spindle
well, as long as you run cpus that can be air cooled yea
visual badger
I think he said he is running 5600x he should be set with air cooler
ashen spindle
yes in this case its more than fine
crisp granite
At this point air coolers are as good as liquid.
sometimes
crisp granite
sometimes
a lot of small form factor systems don't really have the option of massive tower coolers, or even stock coolers, but can handle even 280mm AIOs
so...situational
crisp granite
that and some AIOs today are absolute monsters
visual badger
so...situational
I was just typing this LMFAO
visual badger
That things do be pretty effin good
crisp granite
mmm yes
shame it won't fit in my SFF build
thing has no AIO support
entirely air cooled
visual badger
Time to get a MORA external rad
crisp granite
that does defeat the whole "portable" aspect
sharp badger
What case are you using?
crisp granite
that and I don't actually think I have a place to run tubing
crisp granite
What case are you using?
Raw S1
visual badger
Ok I did not know you travel with your SFF lol but then yeah it does defeat the purpose
crisp granite
Ok I did not know you travel with your SFF lol but then yeah it does defeat the ...
it's kinda...the point
a small system
that is still plenty capable
reef patrol
Do I really need to boot up my 3DMark here xD
sharp badger
Raw S1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpq9ylDoeng Time to stack π π
visual badger
it's kinda...the point
All my homies got SFF just cuz it looks pretty π₯² no travel
crisp granite
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpq9ylDoeng Time to stack π π
Raw S1 doesn't have tophats
ashen spindle
I think your XMP might've been turned off since you changed cpu
pale sigil
I think your XMP might've been turned off since you changed cpu
OH HAHAHHA
sharp badger
Aaah
pale sigil
sec
holy shit
you are right
and the score was close
and fps the same on high is life
sharp badger
But why do you need low profile DDR5 ram?
pale sigil
But why do you need low profile DDR5 ram?
Why not
sharp badger
Why not
@crisp granite wanted some really short ram sticks i've got 33mm high sticks so was wondering
crisp granite
But why do you need low profile DDR5 ram?
so I can use a full thiccness noctua F12 with the L12S instead of an NF-A12x15
pale sigil
Well not sacrifice but one fan was higher than the others 
ashen spindle
can you not just use a single ddr5 stick and just put it in the furthest slot? dont really need 2 sticks with ddr5 since its already dual channel
sharp badger
so I can use a full thiccness noctua F12 with the L12S instead of an NF-A12x15
But isn't this as good as the Noctua? https://www.scytheus.com/bigshuriken3-rev-b
ashen spindle
I mean that is totally within margin of error
pale sigil
have no idea
sharp badger
Yeah seems like they're good value
ashen spindle
the other option, did you have rebar enabled before?
since that also would've been reset
sharp badger
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqzqF9RBVvk looking at this vid the Shuriken is quite good
pale sigil
I can try it sooooooooooon
Just testing metro
Time to listen to Anna for the 100th time
Metro already seems to have better FPS.
Like
Significantly
Prob change in a min
desktop also feels snappier and less laggy
when playing
gusty kiln
seems like every reviewer is dunking on the 4080 12GB
gusty kiln
I do remember in apex on release it was like -20% fps or so
what cause this?
ashen spindle
rebar lowerin fps? idk something about how apex did it or how the drivers interacted, no clue
pale sigil
im saying could be atm
ashen spindle
well could also be lacking contact from bad pressure for example if this were to fix it
pale sigil
correct
its just something i noticed
im still testing but as i said in high on life at least it feels smoother
Ye I'm gonna record a video now
Could be placebo maybe but a lot does feel smoother lol
crisp granite
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqzqF9RBVvk looking at this vid the Shuriken is ...
dang
visual badger
Thatβs a thick boy wtf
visual badger
Listen man. All my gpus have been water cooled I havenβt put a regular cooler for 4 years now
Had a laptop. Then had a 5700xt and now a 3080 π
reef patrol
Waterblocks are cheating though. No cooling π
visual badger
That does look bigger than 2.5 slots tho. Maybe I need a eye checkup
ashen spindle
the support bracket isnt part of the gpu itself
reef patrol
That does look bigger than 2.5 slots tho. Maybe I need a eye checkup
Half of that is a metal bracket that's holding the GPU up. Note the additional screw mounts
visual badger
Waterblocks are cheating though. No cooling π
Big hacks for cooling π¬
pale sigil
There is legit a difference.
visual badger
Ahhhh I do need an eye checkup
cursive summit
ashen spindle
imagine posting something from last year smh
pale sigil
Just realised it I wanted to rma my CPU if have to literally read the series off the CPU lol
Because I never got a box with the mobo/CPU bundle
rebar on
ashen spindle
no I mean in the game not 3dmark
pale sigil
assumed, just thought you might want it regardless
ashen spindle
doesnt do anything for 3dmark
pale sigil
i did seem to gain some FPS
around 5-15
In HoL and Metro
So um
i kina fucked up my recordings
but tbf you can see a difference already
imo
Sorry about the quality, but i had to use vsync on this one > https://mrpl.me/pb7094b_rfe5.mp4 <
Without vsync > https://mrpl.me/0d7095b_rfI3.mp4 < screen tearing was rough
i just used vsync in game f
covert vapor
@pale sigil may I ask what recording software youβre using? canβt find anything on google for βmrplβ or βmrpl.meβ
pale sigil
<@171594634605232128> may I ask what recording software youβre using? canβt find...
Thats my domain
Monitor wise i dont use anything
covert vapor
Thats my domain
ah i see, thank you. was just intrigued haha
pale sigil
freesync makes things worse sometimes
Another thing to note it feels smoother in slow mo too i think
ye haha
its night and day
wheat plume
Do you have some sort of gaming mode settings on your monitor?
pale sigil
actually sec
With new CPU
https://streamable.com/289azw
With old
https://streamable.com/cshkn5
Night and day
@prisma crag@ashen spindle can you see it now
Seriously xD
but i also have a recording se
c
Here, though this isn't entirely the best example because of the frames but still, you can see it in action. https://mrpl.me/727096b_rfr8.mp4
Again you will have to download the video
dont watch them via html 5 player
ye :/
it was a fresh obs install
but you can still see motion
cursive summit
Good lord
Starting at AUD 1,479
It'll be at least a grand here in EU innit
ashen spindle
why are you quoting aussie prices out of all the options
vivid vine
Sheshh glad I have not pulled the trigger on anything
vivid vine
I don't mind if they are, I already gave Logi and Razer that for Viper and Superlight
Wouldn't mind giving the smaller guy a shot
gusty kiln
I'm still probably holding off for when the DAV3 gets a discount
outer monolith
xlite v3 seems so good no holes, 3395, optical switches
gusty kiln
viper ultimate still serving me well other than the side rubber wearing down
outer monolith
i wonder how much the es line will weigh tho cause that oled screen
vivid vine
If that thing weights between 50-72ish sign me up
ashen spindle
mlid
gusty kiln
anything for that sweet sweet clickbait
ashen spindle
recently saw someone on reddit make accuracy of leakers and he was almost the worst % wise and that was without the poster knowing he deletes a lot of false predictions lol
ashen spindle
yeah leaky water shotgun held backwards
gusty kiln
?
interesting
wonder how it sounds
definitely looks more like an enthusiast keyboard rather than gaming
rough when wooting is around
just for the cool factor, could have just used LED colors to indicate DPI and Polling rate
outer monolith
the oled just seems like a gimmick to me tbh
latent mural
superlight mouse not light enough for you?
gusty kiln
someone posted a 7950X3D slide pic on reddit
obviously can be fake, but 120W TDP is interesting if true
astral haven
dont believe that for a second lel
gusty kiln
claims 144 MB L2+L3
crisp granite
obviously can be fake, but 120W TDP is interesting if true
astral haven
claims 144 MB L2+L3
obviously
astral haven
obviously
oh wait not obviously i forgot basic math
7950x3d if it exists can only be 192mb
gusty kiln
Yeah that sounds more correct
Yeah looks more and more fake now
I really hope it's not just laptops
crisp granite
astral haven
I really hope it's not just laptops
what
astral haven
wont fault them for it tho
astral haven
extremely weird
mild dome
The 5800X3d sold like hotcakes, will this thing finally get the AM5 platform moving π€
I wonder if they also fix the IHS issue, if I recall the 7000 series suffers due to an overly thick IHS
ashen spindle
its not really an issue though
just makes number look bigger if you look at temperature
shadow minnow
Gotta market that dp 2.1
Which is worse than HDMI 2.1
ashen spindle
oh wait its l3+l2
that would mean 64+633d+L2 and not double 64 for l3 on the 2 chiplets?
at least the number would add up
astral haven
Which is worse than HDMI 2.1
its not
shadow minnow
The one amd and intel cards use is
ashen spindle
god not another DSC discussion please
shadow minnow
And itβs pretty disappointing ngl
astral haven
The one amd and intel cards use is
bandwidth is not capability
shadow minnow
god not another DSC discussion please
No I am just talking purely tech specs
What can DP 2.1 do HDMI 2.1 canβt? I can give a few examples the other way around
astral haven
pure tech specs dp 2.1 10g is capable of everything hdmi 2.1 is and more
only exception is arc
astral haven
What can DP 2.1 do HDMI 2.1 canβt? I can give a few examples the other way aroun...
4k240
dual 4k240
4k240 10b
4k24012b
ashen spindle
ohh maybe the 144mb means every chiplet only gets half density l3 stacked on top to help with temperatures maybe?
astral haven
HDMI 2.1 can do DSC too
only allowed on 8k60 per hdmi atm
astral haven
But I am talking without compression
on paper hdmi 2.1 is better sure
but in practice dp 2.1 is better
even at half rate
crisp granite
https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-ryzen-7000x3d-series-coming-february-16-core-ryz...
TDPs are weirdly low
then again, assuming they're going to be a little lighter on the voltage and not make chips that seem like XOC tunes out of the box, possible
mild dome
Didn't the new DP standard have double the bandwidth of HDMI, or is there some standard fuckery going on?
astral haven
Didn't the new DP standard have double the bandwidth of HDMI, or is there some s...
the standard allows for a bunch of different bandwidths -_-
intel picked the lowest
amd picked the second lowest
there are 2 more tiers that noone has yet
ashen spindle
tdps are normal they probably noticed the tdp for regular zen4 was dumb
also could mean its more limited in max tdp due to the extra cache
astral haven
shouldnt be considering a dual 5800x3d die would be 170w too
mild dome
I see, I suppose it would have been hard to get the full 80Gb/s, but the DP standard guys should have introduced multiple standard so that consumers like me could actually see what has been implemented
Like DP 2.0 for the slowest version, 2.1 for the second, 2.2 for the next, and so on
ashen spindle
oh maybe it's half size l3 on the bigger caches to allow for more issues when stacking? perhaps the yield isnt great so that makes it better
astral haven
I see, I suppose it would have been hard to get the full 80Gb/s, but the DP stan...
unfortunately thats not how the spec works
the spec is separated by number
uhbr followed by the bandwidth in GBps/channel
ashen spindle
oh god if it is that only one CCD has v cache I dread how windows scheduling will fuck that up
mild dome
So what are the limits that the new AMD cards can output? I was basing my decision on waiting for the 7900xtx over the NVIDIA on the fact I would get DP 2.1 for a future high refresh displays that might come out
ashen spindle
are both your two best binned cores on ccd0?
astral haven
my #1 is and 2 other secondaries are
astral haven
So what are the limits that the new AMD cards can output? I was basing my decisi...
afaik 40gbps
oh nope
its uhbr13.5
so 56gbps
ashen spindle
the 7900xtx will allow you to connect more screens than a 4090
mild dome
Looking at Wikipedia UHBr 13.5 gets 296HZ at 4K 10 bit, nice
ashen spindle
if you use 2 dsc screens that means no chance getting a 3rd on your 4090
astral haven
Looking at Wikipedia UHBr 13.5 gets 296HZ at 4K 10 bit, nice
and you can run 3 of those monitors on a single port
astral haven
if you use 2 dsc screens that means no chance getting a 3rd on your 4090 <:havo:...
question is tho can you run 4 monitors if 1 is dsc
ashen spindle
I dont think so
astral haven
yep which needs to be tested
ashen spindle
but let me see if I find the nvidia page that describes it
astral haven
the page is awfully nondescriptive
mild dome
NVidia's decision to go for DP 1.4 I thought was fucking stupid, as you get all those Frame especially with their new frame generation tech, but can't actually use them because DP 1.4 hasn't got the bandwidth to support it
astral haven
NVidia's decision to go for DP 1.4 I thought was fucking stupid, as you get all ...
welllll
it does
the 4090 is nowhere near hitting 4k240 generally even with dlss 3
ashen spindle
I think based on
GPU may use two internal heads to drive the display when the pixel rate needed to drive the display mode exceeds the GPUβs single head limit
it means you can run 4 as long as the dsc one doesnt exceed the limit but it either just stops it from the start of might not run once the dsc one needs more BW
astral haven
yes but what is the limit -_-
and can you have a bunch of low res monitors on the same head?
ashen spindle
well if nvidia is smart they detect it and limit it anyway to stop customers from complaining about monitors only sometimes working
guess technically I could test it lol
maybe if I have time this weekend
could just use the laptops as 3rd/4th screen
ashen spindle
think at least one of them can receive signal via hdmi
astral haven
thats shocking
ashen spindle
I know I used a laptop to help someone in unit when their laptop screen broke but I dont 100% remember if I used mine or someone elses
oh wait idk if I have the cables to even try it
eh as I said if I have time this weekend I'll try it
oh no I thought of something cursed
if its 1v$ ccd then those are basically big.little zen4 cpus
astral haven
Don't have one of these magical babies?
ashen spindle
best I can offer you is usb to ps2
frozen ingot
just use the finest vga to dvi
ashen spindle
but also
For example if two displays with support for DSC are connected to a single GeForce GPU, all 4 internal heads will be utilized and you will not be able to use a third monitor with the GPU at the same time.
makes it sound as if it does always use it even if BW is not needed so 1DSC + 3 shouldnt work
astral haven
aside from doing DP chaining
yea but how could that work
ashen spindle
oh I mean dp chaining as in mirroring not using it as different screens
astral haven
oh I mean dp chaining as in mirroring not using it as different screens
yea but using them as different screens does apparently work...
ashen spindle
uhhh dont know enough about DP spec in that case
guess if the BW allows it you can put it as 2 screens into one head and the dp chain splits it?
astral haven
ye which is why i was theorizing 1dsc +3 not dsc
ashen spindle
I think that would not work because even if it puts 2 in 1 that would still be something the monitor then splits but the actual output wouldnt be available since the path for that doesnt exist on the gpu?
so maybe 1dsc+3 not dsc works but only if one is chained lol
definitely dont have the equipment to try that though
astral haven
same
would be really messed up if you could run 1dsc + 3 non dsc if you use one of those dsc triple monitor mst hubs
astral haven
oh god
ashen spindle
at least this big.little still has avx512 lmfao
astral haven
i π pray this isnt true
ashen spindle
I think it is
that would make sense why they then have the 8 core as new ultimate gaming cpu
mild dome
The V-cache limited clocking before, what if the CCD without Vcache could be overclocked? So you could get one Cache heavy CCd, and one Super clocked CCD?
ashen spindle
it didnt really limit clocks but more so heat dissipation which forced lower clocks
so the non v$ ccd could only clock higher then if you dont use the primary pary which would be very cursed
too bad I gotta sleep through it, curse you early appointment
gusty kiln
holyshit really?