🔌│tech

[ashen spindle]

they do still sell out but it takes minutes instead of nanoseconds now

[hardy pollen]

Thats where i live

[hardy pollen]

I wasnt a part of the 3090 craze

Still crazy how fast imo lol

[ashen spindle]

well thats just how bots are

[sharp badger]

There was the problem to get them at MSRP though

[ashen spindle]

maybe it will even drop below 2k before christmas

[sharp badger]

Lol yeah

[gusty kiln]

only 4080s at my local microcenter

[ashen spindle]

it will be easier in the us soon too once more stock is there and all the people that really wanted it got one

so like early next year

well stores want to sell it so they will be back once in store wont sell out anymore

that could be yea

[sharp badger]

Well the only card at 1999,90€ is the TUF and those aren't available

If one would just buy from a store

[ashen spindle]

3 stores that have some model below 2100 which is close enough to msrp that I call it that for now bc eur is fluctuating and such

[sharp badger]

Are AMD releasing their cards next week?

[crimson wigeon]

In theory yes

[gusty kiln]

embargo monday

can't wait

[sharp badger]

Ok 👍

Still it's not a 4090 competitor but their prices seem so much better compared to the 4080

[ashen spindle]

most places will because they will have had to retest when using alderlake/zen4 as testbench

unless its like TPU where they use some weird cpu or so

[gusty kiln]

kek

still using a 5800X

[sharp badger]

Don't feel the need to upgrade from 12th gen

Would just waste money then

[gusty kiln]

I went from a 3700X to a 5800X3D, nice bump

[ashen spindle]

no but for reviews you should upgrade to not have unneeded bottlenecks

[sharp badger]

Yeah

[astral haven]

Works better for me tho since that's the same perf as what I've got...

[true quest]

acquire flip phone

it's what i did

well an alternative was needed after all pigeons died

[crimson wigeon]

But I must always see the freshest tiktok memes!

Of course I want all my data safely stored in the cloud where it's safe!

[true quest]

as lean as i am, i don't understand obsessing over getting all that, often times, inaccurate information

if one is doing some official diagnosing for medical purposes in a professional setting, it's warranted

but that requires advanced equipment

[sharp badger]

Got a Garmin Venu2 it's just for when i'm out and running and knowing if i got faster or not lol

[true quest]

time and distance is valid

heartrate maybe

[sharp badger]

Also syncing it with bluetooth TWS headphones is just soo nice to leave the brick of a phone at home

It's just flopping around

And having music is a nice +

Welp ordered some DDR5 now

Yeah Intel has got soo much better deals with 13600K e.g.

Also with the support of DDR4

At least here in Finland

Would probably be better to wait a few years

For DDR5 to stabilize and such things

But when i bought the 12gen it was a better deal on DDR5 for me, sure one would get better speeds with DDR4 but i've been trying new stuff usually so eh

Wish i'd waited for AM5 though

https://rog.asus.com/motherboards/rog-crosshair/rog-crosshair-x670e-gene-model/

Only because of this mobo lol

It has everything i wanted

But i went with an ATX instead on 12th gen because of specs. then

Went ahead and bought when i bought because who knows the future and wanted/needed it then

Yeah they're probably better but i wanted a mATX then with certain specs

Wanted a board that had Q-code display

It's not a must but nice to have

but that's my opinon

and for the price of the boards it feels like it SHOULD be included on all of them

[vagrant pagoda]

Eatx has no more pcie though

I have eyes on the ace if there isn't a refresh for x3d

The ace has no lane sharing other than the 2 x16

And it has a type c with video

The godlike dosent

[sharp badger]

🤓

[final flame]

I love the creator

the creator boards are all really nice

[vagrant pagoda]

So I can run like nreal on it

[vagrant pagoda]

Yeah but the only extra PCI is x2 that shares with m.2

[reef patrol]

M.2 PCI

Now that's some cursed retro shit.

[vagrant pagoda]

Ace has x4 that isn't shared

[gusty kiln]

https://videocardz.com/newz/sapphire-radeon-rx-7900-xtx-nitro-graphics-card-has-been-pictured

they made it so chonk

[ashen spindle]

meh I'm waiting to see their vaporx thing

[crimson wigeon]

8k vapor chamber

[wheat plume]

:') this is great

Twitter client

I can't find it on fdroid but this app claims to download it from there... Wtf

[crisp granite]

oooooo

tbh all cards lately look like shit

this one isn't too offensive, assuming I can unplug all the unicorn barf headers

[errant hull]

How do I turn on and off rapid trigger

And we’re in the software is actuation point

Where

[reef patrol]

Tabs in the bottom of the UI

[errant hull]

Ok I only saw where to adjust rgb in there

[fickle ore]

@ashen spindle https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpeIrnizxsA

Hope this has fixed the input delay of current OLED monitors

[ashen spindle]

Regular oled and not ultrawide so I don’t really care xD

[fickle ore]

Yeah sad :C

I want UW too

[sharp badger]

Weird "chin" on it

[fickle ore]

Still slightly non-ideal signal lag

Maybe it's better now

[reef patrol]

138hz

What an odd number.

[sharp badger]

Very thicc

[reef patrol]

Well... even but you know.

[fickle ore]

KTC lag seems promising

😄

[sharp badger]

Just think that they are too big, 27'' or 34'' feels kinda like a sweetspot and personally just looking at 1440p displays

There's options like : Samsung 34" G8 S32AG85 , Dell 34" Alienware AW3423DW(F) , LG 27'' UltraGear 27GR95QE , Asus ROG Swift PG27AQDM

And with the bigger displays there's usually some remote included which is a hit or miss for some

Yeah and when the display starts to get so big it's just so unergonomic

Yeah

I can just turnaround and connect to the TV so don't feel the need to get any bigger "gaming" displays, Can also turn the TV

A bigger TV sure sometime but it's a 4K 50'' & does its job for the moment (also Chili plant in the Corona Bucket which was planted 2020, lol)

[reef patrol]

Do you want a television or a wall painting. 80" my god 😄

I just upgraded from my old 43? something to 55 and it's huge.

[sharp badger]

Yeah would probably want some ≥75'' if i'd upgrade but it all depends on the space

Could put the TV on the wall too so would be kinda like an artpiece, lol

[shadow minnow]

It does in fact not add that to input lag, it’s a separate thing

[cursive summit]

77" LG C1 or C2?

83 incher is like 4.5k right now yet the 77" which is like, not that much smaller is 2.7k

[latent mural]

Damn

[wheat plume]

Why does Youtube change how username on the comments is shown if you use Firefox VS Chrome?

On Firefox, it shows the youtube handle instead of the channel name, but it shows channel name on Chrome

[reef patrol]

Ask Youtube?

[crimson wigeon]

A/B testing?

[wheat plume]

Maybe?

[cursive summit]

Alright

I love this AI a lot, it helps code a fuck ton

But sometimes, just sometimes, it mind boggles

after keyword is not valid syntax in MariaDB.. so you can fix that by using the after keyword in MariaDB!

[cursive summit]

@pale sigilAhoy luv luv

Did you snipe a schiit stack yet?

[pale sigil]

Not ended yet

[cursive summit]

Seriously don't get a schiit stack

The QA went down a bit

[pale sigil]

Oh?

[pale sigil]

Won't be anyway, it's gone over £200 bid

[cursive summit]

Yeah it's not worth

They aren't useless though

Gyrorealm likes to spout nonsense sometimes

Imo best option rn is https://www.amazon.co.uk/Topping-ES9038Q2M-Bluetooth-Headphone-Amplifier-Black/dp/B09HBS8SLJ/ref=sr_1_3?keywords=Topping+DX3+Pro%2B&qid=1670690927&sr=8-3

DX3 has pretty good specs for what it can do

Also to consider https://www.amazon.co.uk/SMSL-C200-Headphone-Amplifier-ES9038Q2M/dp/B0B9391B45/ref=sr_1_3?keywords=smsl+c200&qid=1670691099&s=electronics&sr=1-3

They retail for cheaper on ebay anyways

[wheat plume]

Ok, I need new headphones too ;-;

dt770 pros with mod mic?

[cursive summit]

No

Don't buy Beyers

You looking for closed or open backs?

[wheat plume]

Closed

I cant figure out what card I used to pay for them...

[cursive summit]

Closed suck at low prices

I don't assume you will be paying more than like 150$

Only thing that's worthwhile for a cheap price is the Shure SRH840 or the cheaper SRH440

Closed cans suck

Or also

Because you are a bit special

Go full weeb and go Moondrop Void

It's not like, that good? But it's weeb...

If tuned it might be even okay

[wheat plume]

I want good sound xd

well, decent

the ones I had sounded great but not the most comfy ...

[cursive summit]

Tbf if you do tune the Void it should be good like, the drivers are great in technicality

Just the tuning is kinda off

[wheat plume]

my previous ones were comfy af but didnt sound as good

[cursive summit]

Go with Shure

Tony got them and they like em

[wheat plume]

I was wondering why TF amazon was suggesting injections to me.... realised its thermal paste LOL

[cursive summit]

You don't inject paste into your veins?

[wheat plume]

No xd

[vagrant pagoda]

no only liquid metal

[cursive summit]

Lightweights

Krokodil into veins or bust

[wheat plume]

:')

this is a nice looking SSD

ok, back to worrying about what card I used to pay for the headphones

[cursive summit]

Shut up weeb

Apple dongle sucks cock

Get something actually functional

I didn't buy the etymotics yet

So not scammed

And also gets gimped in power by half if used on an android device

How about instead I use a dongle that is just as good and doesn't get gimped bad on android

Anyways

The click is cute

When this shoddily built samsung dong gives out at some point, I'll just get the click

[wheat plume]

The Click?

[cursive summit]

Moondrop click

[wheat plume]

oo

[cursive summit]

The build looks actually solid unlike most of the typical plastic dongs

I am literally scared to use my dongle cause it bends so uncomfortably badly that it'll just tear apart

[wheat plume]

o.o

damn

[cursive summit]

Click is fine imo, that or whatever is the chinese trash with two letters and a bunch of numbers that Carmonben keeps talking about

@wheat plume Anyways, Shure

[wheat plume]

gimme model number

[cursive summit]

SRH840

Preferably the older one

SRH840(A) is like a newer revision

Although the new revision seems to be getting love https://www.head-fi.org/threads/shure-srh840a.961580/

I guess 840a is fine as well

[wheat plume]

EFS?

[cursive summit]

Should be just a regional number

[wheat plume]

ooh

[cursive summit]

Still the 840A

Although then you have Hifiman who release a new "Sundara" every year, and each is different

[wheat plume]

I see

[cursive summit]

You have the initial sundaras with shitty quality, then the upgraded ones with better condition and then they I think even just completely rebuilt it with stealth magnets and just released that instead as the new Sundara?

So you order a Sundara and you have virtually no clue which one you'll be getting

[wheat plume]

O.o

damn

[cursive summit]

They apparently stealthily re-released the HE-1000 V2 like, last week

Which makes no sense

They released the HE-1000, then they released the better version of V2, then they released the HE-1000 Special Edition (SE) that had stealth magnets, so you like, had differences between them

[wheat plume]

If imma spend this much on headphones, they better last longer than 2 years

and I wanna wait for the refund first

[cursive summit]

Last week they slapped stealth magnets on HE-1000 V2s

So it's like, what's the point of HE-1000SE now?

[wheat plume]

also need to get a mic...

modmic good?

[cursive summit]

No?

[wheat plume]

I meed mic too

[cursive summit]

AT2020

[wheat plume]

I am not going back to the shitty USB one I have

[cursive summit]

Get a 50$ XLR interface, stick an AT2020 into it and enjoy studio sound

[wheat plume]

and let it rest beside my keyboard flat on the desk ...nope

thats what I got to do with my usb one, just lays behiind the kyeboard

picks up more keyboard than my voice

[cursive summit]

Huh

What

[chrome estuary]

AT2020 USB

[wheat plume]

I have nowhere to put the mic

[chrome estuary]

boom arm

[wheat plume]

which is why I want one on my headphones

[cursive summit]

USB is just kinda... eh

Lana

Have you heard of..

Arms

[wheat plume]

I cant use an arm, the desk doesnt like mounts

cause there is a backplate I cant remove without taking the whole desk apart

[chrome estuary]

sawzall

[wheat plume]

Which is why both my monitors arent on my mount

[cursive summit]

Then use the thing I have

[wheat plume]

where

[cursive summit]

Just a heavy counterweight

[wheat plume]

xd I have also no desk space

[cursive summit]

Throw out the cheetos packs then

[wheat plume]

except on the right edge, but there is the Deck and the controller docks there now

[cursive summit]

Clean yourself up

[wheat plume]

there is 0 waste on the desk xd

[chrome estuary]

get a better desk

[cursive summit]

Get a proper stand then?

[wheat plume]

maybe yea

and use the mic on the top usb on my case cause I only want it plugged in when I wanna use it

[cursive summit]

The stands aren't expensive

Don't use USB microphones

They aren't that good

[wheat plume]

why not?

and? probably better than any headset mic

[cursive summit]

USB has issues when it comes to compression of sound and such

XLR is the king of audio

[ashen spindle]

usb mics are fine for work discord and all just dont get a 5$ one

[wheat plume]

usb is fine for me, I just occasionally use it on discord and job interviews

[cursive summit]

I just don't see the reason of getting USB AT2020 when XLR AT2020 is like, same price

Get the USB version of AT2020 then

[wheat plume]

and I need to be able to plug and unplug it often cause I dont want it kept on when not using it

[cursive summit]

It's still good

[ashen spindle]

then it that case it's valid but just flat out saying to not get usb mics is just making people waste money that dont need studio sound

[cursive summit]

The only real "waste" there is getting an interface really

XLR mics doesn't cost more, just the interfaces sadly

[wheat plume]

yeah ;-;

[cursive summit]

But you can still get a solid interface for like 30-50$

So, not much waste there imo for a thing that will serve you like, decades?

[ashen spindle]

or I just look at all options and if a usb mic is on sale you get a decent mic for the entire cost of your solid interface alone lol

[wheat plume]

wrong screenshot

[cursive summit]

Clearly

[cursive summit]

A bundle?

I mean, it's just an arm, a windshield and whatever the thing is that collects your voice waves into the microphone

Studio equipment

Good stuff too

[ashen spindle]

like the mic I got is a usb mic that was on sale locally because they needed to clear out inventory, dont remember but I think it was around 40€ for a presonus revelator, not the best but better than a snowball or so

[cursive summit]

For that price you can get a Rode though, that's not really a good deal, the bundle

[cursive summit]

Seems the cheapest in Thomann by far

Locally, amazon and a few other places are like 150 EUR

Unless you buy from ebay, I see some for sub-100 eur

[wheat plume]

I need to save up for this shit

or get the Cloud 2s again

those were comfy with an ok mic

[cursive summit]

I have Cloud Alphas and never again

I thought they were comfortable, and now I can't wear them

So bad

[wheat plume]

They are more comfy than the pair that just broke on me

[cursive summit]

Shures will be far ahead in comfort

[wheat plume]

yeah, im Shure they are

but its a lot for headphones and then I need a mic ontop of that

[cursive summit]

https://tenor.com/view/boring-unimpressed-meh-really-seriously-gif-16279809

[wheat plume]

LOL

[cursive summit]

Quality costs

[wheat plume]

They sound better than the MH752?

:P

[cursive summit]

Yes?

[wheat plume]

I also used an EQ in Windows to make them sound much nicer

and better volume too

[cursive summit]

They absolutely should sound much better than a gaming headset

It's not K702s I bet but they're fine

[wheat plume]

Maybe I do need an AMP, cause the EQ made the volume so much better

they sound like they are lacking power without the EQ

At least on my computer, on my laptop they were fine

[cursive summit]

You don't need an amp

None of the headphones you have need a dedicated amp

If they are really that underpowered, get a dongle then

[wheat plume]

idk if they are

[valid pasture]

Wooting 2HE I can Practically feel it, Almost Taste It, But It's So Far Away....

[wheat plume]

I love how headphones are under the "Accessories" category on Thomann

[cursive summit]

They are quite literally accessories

[wheat plume]

🤔

oh wow

the ones I was thinking of getting are top sellers

[cursive summit]

DT-770s?

I would really not go for those

[wheat plume]

"Bargins"

almost 4 grand

[cursive summit]

BARGINS

Lana

[wheat plume]

BARGINS

[cursive summit]

BAGGINS

https://tenor.com/view/gollum-thinking-wait-a-minute-wait-what-lord-of-the-rings-gif-22031083

They stole the precious

Those stupid hobbitses

[shadow minnow]

How can in ear earphones cost that much

[cursive summit]

Overpriced piece of shits

[wheat plume]

Those headphones look fragile AF

thats a really thin earcup mount

[cursive summit]

HE-R7DX is half off on drop, interesting

[cursive summit]

What are you talking about rn

[tender lantern]

i bought headphones for £170 now they are woth like £400 lol xD

[cursive summit]

Doesn't really work like that?

[wheat plume]

The headphones that cost almost 4 grand

[cursive summit]

Unless it was like really limited in stock like the Borealis

[cursive summit]

Meh I'd ignore Dan Clark

[wheat plume]

wait, these are closed back?? They look open

[wheat plume]

yeh no shit, these are mega expensive

[cursive summit]

The brand imo is not good

[wheat plume]

oh

[tender lantern]

shoot sorry meant £540

[wheat plume]

O.o

why tf are they so costly??

[tender lantern]

i got them for £170

major profit lol

[cursive summit]

Skullcandy are atrocious consumer-grade trashes

Way way way too much bloat bass

[tender lantern]

you can adjust it on the side of the headphones

[wheat plume]

The Crushers are high emphasis on bass since their selling point is that they physically shake so you can feel the bass

so ofc you hear bass more than anything else

[cursive summit]

I don't see though why they even exist

[tender lantern]

they are amazing

[cursive summit]

Like how can you enjoy so much bass bloat

[wheat plume]

Its a freaking USB MIC, how can it not work on any OS???

[tender lantern]

because i mean i use it to stop all the background noise when i am in public

[cursive summit]

You have ANC for that

Or passive sound isolation

Bass for blocking out background noise is just so bad

[tender lantern]

yea but still the bass just feels nice

each to there own

[wheat plume]

bass feels nice for sure in some songs

I wish my headphones had more bass in some cases

[cursive summit]

The difference between an audiophile and a typical consumer

[wheat plume]

adjustable on the fly would be nice

[cursive summit]

I want the details and a neutral sound

Bass is just not necessary

[wheat plume]

This mic would be fine right?

https://www.thomann.de/ie/fun_generation_usb_one_bundle.htm

[cursive summit]

Yooo, AI knows

Radiohead is amazing on Hifi

[wheat plume]

Kanye

[cursive summit]

Fleet foxes and tame impala? That's a bit more obscure background artists

[cursive summit]

Okay like, yes, the guy is a damn nazi

But let's not completely invalidate his musical work

The guy made some good songs

[wheat plume]

Fair

[cursive summit]

And I don't think so

[wheat plume]

?

[latent mural]

bruh why do ppl hate Kanyes music because of what he said lol

[cursive summit]

Cheap is bad

[wheat plume]

If its on thomann, id assume its up to their standards

[latent mural]

Not necessarily tbh

[wheat plume]

^

my 28 euro earbuds are great

[latent mural]

my 60$ mic setup was called "studio grade" by alot of ppl

[wheat plume]

I just hate using them on my desktop cause its awkward putting them on and off all the time

[latent mural]

You can make like 99% of mics sound great if you know how to set them up

[cursive summit]

Did you ^ your own message?

https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/speculation-rdna3-cdna2-architectures-thread.2589999/page-143#post-40907243

[wheat plume]

no

[cursive summit]

Sigh

[wheat plume]

?

[cursive summit]

Was it clark

[wheat plume]

ye

[cursive summit]

Should have known

[wheat plume]

oh yeh, hes muted for you

[latent mural]

bruh

[cursive summit]

I can't deal with... offensive... opinions

[wheat plume]

Vexx, y not the 770 Pro?

[cursive summit]

And otherwise general degeneracy

[latent mural]

what did I say offensive lol

[cursive summit]

Bad treble spike and just uncomfortable sound signature

[wheat plume]

hhmmmmm

The earpads on the Shure look identical to the Clouds 2 I had

I wish I could use my monitor mount so I could have a desk stand for a mic infront of my monitor

but now itll get in the way

[cursive summit]

https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2022/12/two-months-of-intel-arc-driver-updates-begin-to-fix-low-performance-in-old-games/

[ashen spindle]

damn youre late on that one

[cursive summit]

7 hours ago?

[ashen spindle]

3 days or so ago

[cursive summit]

I did post some Arc drivers that made.. openCL like much faster?

Ars just generalized the news

[ashen spindle]

uh what

no clue what you are on about, intel fixed dx9 performance by using DXVK for the most cases and that was discussed at length in the channel

[cursive summit]

Oh sorry it was dx9

[misty saffron]

https://www.idownloadblog.com/2022/12/08/ios-16-2-airdrop-everyone-option/

noooo

what have you done apple

can’t spam shit on trains now

[hardy hemlock]

LMAO I use that for school essays

[cursive summit]

It's good af

[wheat plume]

.....that Pi price tho fucking hell

[cursive summit]

Moonriver same price as Raspberry

What's up with the demand for Raspberries being so high

[thick elk]

Lots of profressional / industrial type uses for pi's nowadays and for those € 190 is still quite acceptable

[cursive summit]

They were so much cheaper though like a year ago

[thick elk]

Supply constraints are hurting them big time and they are not very flexible in making minor hardware changes

[empty wren]

3d printing, pi hole ect

Tons of consumer uses for them

[empty wren]

Large companies probably have no issue acquiring them for close to msrp

[cursive summit]

You can DIY a 3D printer?

[empty wren]

I mean yes

[vagrant pagoda]

i dont think any 3d printing needs a pi

[empty wren]

Does not need

[vagrant pagoda]

octoprint and the like work with any pc

including sbc

[empty wren]

Fair point

I just want to keep things low profile

[vagrant pagoda]

now rp2040 run printers

[empty wren]

Technically I guess even orange pi and other alternatives can even a old android tablet probably can

[vagrant pagoda]

or a literal pc

lol

i use a USFF pc

[empty wren]

Sadly not everyone got a spare lying around

[vagrant pagoda]

yeah but you can get them under 50 bucks

[empty wren]

Speaking of I think people were buying boxes in some cases

Like windows in an Mac mini shape

[empty wren]

Anywho it is more so used for advanced stuff, printing much faster and vibration compensation, as 8bit controllers are fine but are slow 32 bit is better but probably would need better hardware most cases I think high end was 168mHz

[vagrant pagoda]

yeah rp2040 is a good one these days

as cheap as most 8bit

but cortex m0

[frozen ingot]

reminds me I really should figure out my rp2040 macropad

[sudden coral]

the didnt help me with sh

and after realising that ur talking about profiles it also doesnt help

i have automaticly given profiles by wooting

the one where u use the controller movement i have it

i put it on and i can see on the keyboard lighting that it works

but when i go ingame

my chaaracther doesnt move in double movement

[ashen spindle]

again, please go to #1019755933959733258 or #1019722836778164244 I have never touched fortnite so idk what double movement even looks like

[sudden coral]

ill try the profiles for fortnite and il ltell u fi they work

[ashen spindle]

no please make a post there, if they dont work I cant help you because I know nothing about the game

[sudden coral]

i made a post

and like i said

i got n repsonce for long time

[empty wren]

Is that the same controller run in the pi keyboard computer?

[wheat plume]

These things are 60 cent... Wtf

[empty wren]

Ah

[wheat plume]

I really want a rp400

[empty wren]

Digikey got some

[cursive summit]

https://www.extremetech.com/gaming/341144-nvidia-is-reportedly-ending-production-of-its-most-popular-turing-gpus

What

Why were they still producing them?

[empty wren]

Because they were so popular

[vagrant pagoda]

money

its on a different node so it dosent slow down new stuff

[wheat plume]

???

How does Valve not respect Japanese culture??

[cursive summit]

Absolutely no clue

Seems like a typical "random shit I have invented that I believe is true" type of thing

[pale sigil]

The difference is portability vs portability lol

Running switch games on a steam deck is basically a switch if you dont care for online

[wheat plume]

Yep

How do you run dlc on a switch emulator?

[cursive summit]

I'd assume you just extract the DLC files on top of the main game

With homebrew it's just installing the .nsp straight into the base game

[crimson wigeon]

Not if you spam in multiple channels

[pale sigil]

https://twitter.com/Neil_Druckmann/status/1601694903724953600

Neil Druckmann (@Neil_Druckmann)

Ellie and Joel will grace the Steam Deck… don’t worry!

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Doesn't surprise me... Steam Deck runs better than the PS4 in most situations.

And the PS4 runs at 900p

for the last of us, even god of war outperf the ps4 on the deck

[wheat plume]

Oo
O
Probably won't play that game but it's great to see more devs wanting to support the Deck 💜

[pale sigil]

its a good game for it

[wheat plume]

Is it? There are long sections you might not want to interrupt

[pale sigil]

So, i will say, i did not expect the HD6XX to be as tight as they are, i knew people said they were but im still surprised.... the wire is also rather annoying coming from both cups but ill adjust i guess but the audio is great.

[pale sigil]

There's like barely any combat

and when there is its basic

[pale sigil]

I would imagine they adjust overtime

[reef patrol]

The material will loosen over time.

My 373Ds are significantly softer 3-4 years down the road. And I should definitely swap the cups... again 😄

[pale sigil]

On another note i did have to EQ them.

[reef patrol]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HpcTJW4ur54

https://tenor.com/view/pepe-nuke-apocalypse-meme-gif-9579985

[crisp granite]

just waiting for devs to put two and two together

[wheat plume]

hm?

[crisp granite]

realise more sales of a product means more revenue

make some goddamn fuckin M-series MacOS ports

there is quite a lot of demand
now half of steam users on macOS use M-series lol

[wheat plume]

MacOS does not have a Proton equivalent. so they would have to put in the effort to make a dedicated build

and most of the time, Proton just works, so you dont need much effort to make the game work

[crisp granite]

not that much tbh

[wheat plume]

Vulkan is the best <3

in terms of games being cross platform

[shadow minnow]

Oh btw you can use SEUS PTGI and many other shaders on macOS

That didn’t work before

[crisp granite]

yes, I know

^^

besides, Apple is working with studios to port games
Metal 3 has them really pushing it

[wheat plume]

WINE was very active before Proton

I dont think it would be dead anytime soon

[crisp granite]

as long as companies realise there's a market for their games on the Mac platform

they'll make em

[shadow minnow]

Wine was spilling

[wheat plume]

lol

[ashen spindle]

ok I didnt realize the nvidia controller is that shit when they limit 4090s to dp 1.4

When a display is connected to the GPU and is set to DSC mode, the GPU may use two internal heads to drive the display when the pixel rate needed to drive the display mode exceeds the GPU’s single head limit. This may affect your display topology when using multiple monitors. For example if two displays with support for DSC are connected to a single GeForce GPU, all 4 internal heads will be utilized and you will not be able to use a third monitor with the GPU at the same time.

so 1 dsc monitor + vr headset means I cant use my second screen at the same time...

@astral haven why is this a thing for nvidia still

https://nvidia.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/5338/

[astral haven]

What?

Does your VR headset use dsc?

[ashen spindle]

I expect deckard will

[astral haven]

Why?

[ashen spindle]

is there enough bandwidth without it?

[astral haven]

I doubt the deckARD will be 240hz

[wheat plume]

ARD = Augmented Reality Display?

[astral haven]

Device not display but yea

[wheat plume]

Aha

[ashen spindle]

the vive pro 2 needs it and I am kinda expecting deckard will not be much worse than that

[astral haven]

Vive pro 2 is 1.3k usd without PC built in
I doubt valve is gonna target over 2k (2000:2000) per eye since it will need to be driven by an apu

2160 square per eye max imo

[ashen spindle]

that is for the full kit, the base thing is just 250 over the index or so

I guess we will see if it does need it, I wouldn't be too surprised

[astral haven]

Sure

[ashen spindle]

just more surprised how locked down nvidia is with the screen ammounts when using dsc still

[astral haven]

Amd put 6 display controllers in their GPU and Nvidia put in 4
It was a choice they made

[ashen spindle]

I guess with keeping 1.4 I was just expecting that to be higher

[astral haven]

Yea its a shame, probably because Nvidia was planning on having the new chiplet GPUs this gen but decided to delay it?

[fickle ore]

@ashen spindle we did a bar graph for the nvda/intel/amd controllers, didnt u see that masterpiece?

😄

[ashen spindle]

that is very nice to DP version, not for how many it had

[crisp granite]

right

so hype for that

should allow for much better supply, better prices
and cards that can actually fit into most cases
because some of the latest oversized behemoths can't fit in many ATX cases wtf

[astral haven]

Not like Nvidia has a supply problem lel

[sharp badger]

Fractal Torrent Compact has room for 330mm long cards

So there's very few cards that fit in that case already

[crisp granite]

they made the mistake of pricing their cards wrong

then again, ye, business, needs to make money on each card, ye

[sharp badger]

The Torrent fits 461mm/423mm long cards

[crisp granite]

my case can fit up to 320mm cards

[ashen spindle]

I mean from the tdp the coolers didnt need to be that massive, they are clearly oversized from expecting a higher tdp

[crisp granite]

true
but I mean relative to the competition

AMD offers similar or better performance at least at the high end already released for less

[sharp badger]

The 4000D i've got should fit 360mm Cards but that depends on cooler options

Phanteks are said to release their T30 140mm fans next year or what they're going to be called, soo was thinking of switching my 280mm EK-AIO to an 240mm EK-AIO and top mount it in my case and use a pair of the T30 140mm running in the front, buuut that would limit the GPU options for newer cards though 😅

Could switch case to a 5000D/Torrent though , that why've start looking at Aircoolers too

https://i.redd.it/2kw2f2ex8sp91.png

For 4090 cards there's a few if they ever come down in price, lol

Yeah there's always workarounds

[ashen spindle]

the workaround is called 7900xtx

[sharp badger]

Few of those AIBs look thick though

And read something about bugs on those cards but they'll get fixed

[ashen spindle]

yeah some issues that seem to need bios updates

[shadow minnow]

Intel GPUs also got a pretty good update aparently, though that was drivers

[ashen spindle]

yes dx9 mostly fixed by using dxvk

[cursive summit]

We should be getting XTX benchmarks like, tomorrow or so right?

Anyone have a clue if it'll be even okay?

[ashen spindle]

xtx and xt yea

[cursive summit]

I am hoping that the XTX launches with framerates inbetween 4080 and 4090

But the drivers aren't very good

Then later we get the FineWine™️ and it comes close to the 4090 like next year

[ashen spindle]

yeah thats some unhealthy dose you're inhaling there

[crisp granite]

mmm as it should be

[crisp granite]

I'd expect around 4080 and that's it

updates perhaps pushing past, but nowhere near 4090 lmfao

[ashen spindle]

I expect it to be at like 117% or so here

would've gotten the 4090 waterforce if the price would've been like 1k lower lmfao

<10% for a grand is insanity

[vagrant pagoda]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EhDlXx3okU

lol

[wheat plume]

he changed the title

xd

[vagrant pagoda]

lol

still

1Rx8 24GB is neet

[gusty kiln]

what ram kit do you run on your X3D system?

[vagrant pagoda]

i have 64gb of gskill 4200 bdie

running at 4000

[gusty kiln]

god damn

how much did that cost?

[vagrant pagoda]

mine will do 2000 flck

[gusty kiln]

cuz I just want to upgrade to 32 GB, but my current kit is sold out everywhere

[vagrant pagoda]

only like 150 a kit i think

[crisp granite]

ok

potentially the most cursed question ever

[ashen spindle]

37

[crisp granite]

is it ok for me to use cooling fluid concentrate, diluted less than suggested

like

half as much

because I'm going for a TINY loop
1 120mm rad and a CPU block-pump-res combo and not that much tubing

a litre of fluid is likely too much

[ashen spindle]

uhh I got no clue but if you have less liquid due to shorter paths why not just use less concentrate

instead of less dilution

[crisp granite]

because more coolant stuff in coolant = more better
that and I am not going to get the mix right anyway

so why not just dump in the concentrate, and dilute with deionised water until it's full?

let the pump do the mixing

[reef patrol]

Nothing like trying to set up a local version of stable diffusion using Docker to make you feel like an absolute idiot all over again 😄

just clone the repo and do these commands, bro

[shadow minnow]

I wouldn’t recommend it

[crisp granite]

@reef patrol, you do watercooling
explain why this is probably a terrible idea

[shadow minnow]

Higher concentration will mean that it will have to be changed earlier

Also what do people have with watercooling today, cruella was also askin in a different channel today

[reef patrol]

Mostly because you can't really tell when enough is enough. This is why I use premixed. The ratio is already correct, and my massive loop takes just under a single bottle of EK's premixed to fill completely)

[shadow minnow]

The more opaque the fluid the more often it has to be changed usually

Kinda

Depends on the quality etc

But unless you want your blocks to get clogged up

[crisp granite]

but more shit in the coolant means more performance...and pump pain, ye?

[crisp granite]

yes

seriously this whole loop will be under 300€

[shadow minnow]

Very very negligible performance impact

[crisp granite]

replacing parts will not be that painful should I need to

[shadow minnow]

If any

[crisp granite]

ok

so just buy premix

and hope it lasts a full year in my closet

[shadow minnow]

Or just use water is also an option

[shadow minnow]

I think it should last a year

At least mine had warranty for over a year or well consume before

[crisp granite]

I saw one photo
on the web
of fucking ALGAE IN A HARDLINE LOOP

[shadow minnow]

Who knows if mine won’t have it by now

[crisp granite]

dudebro literally said "I just put in tap water, no additives"

[shadow minnow]

Considering that I haven’t changed it since going to UK, but over the year

[shadow minnow]

Yeah not tap water, good water, forgot how it’s called in any language so can’t even translate lol

[crisp granite]

deionised

distilled

[shadow minnow]

Yes

[crisp granite]

cal's mom

but...alright, I'll just buy a bottle of premixed

y'all are no fun
I'm trying to break every rule of PC building

[reef patrol]

You'll want Distilled, not deionised ideally.

Because the latter often doesn't mean bacteria free 😄

[shadow minnow]

Just use pond water

I am sure nothing could go wrong if you also throw in an aluminum radiator

[crisp granite]

boil the deionised, making it bacteria free

also introducing some ions from the pot, probably

[shadow minnow]

Ionized deionized water

I recommend some high voltage transformer if you want to make it ionized instead

[empty wren]

https://www.androidpolice.com/thick-google-search-bar-android/

Google must think Android users a babies

[frozen ingot]

discovering the hard way why apple designs their devices to be idiot-proof

because people kinda tend to be idiots a lot of the time

[empty wren]

I do not mind Google make some stuff bigger abit

But they keep doing it

Ruined notifications overlay

Look home much space exists between the notifications and the fullscreen

Not to mention less text

Bigger notifications

Not gonna even talk about the quick toggles

[frozen ingot]

yeah can pack so much info on todays super high res screens, but we gotta have huge gui blobs and stuff to separate small bits of info instead

I get some doesn't like it too busy but the amount of screen just displaying empty background color a lot of the time is kinda silly and wasteful

[empty wren]

It would be nice to have an option is all

[frozen ingot]

yeah I thought that was the point/intent with google making android

or at least one of the points

[empty wren]

Maybe root can bring it back

Might root soon

[frozen ingot]

but seems google is increasingly dumbing it down

[vagrant pagoda]

root on 12/13 is hard

[empty wren]

Asus released source code and unlock on first week

Not an issue

Only issue is bypass of safety net

[fluid gazelle]

Hehe here i am stuck to an iphone listening to people on android not having enough customization options for interface haha

Isn’t that why people eat Google’s shit in the first place?

[crimson wigeon]

So when where 7900 XT(X) reviews

[ashen spindle]

in 2 ⅟2 hours

[vagrant pagoda]

Exactly

Root is pointless on your main device without safety net

[wheat plume]

Why do the freaking volume contol keys on my keyboard stop working randomly on Plasma desktop?!?!
This ONLY happens on Plasma, no other desktop

[reef patrol]

Because your OS shit.

[wheat plume]

Because this desktop has shit media key handling

Better than XFCE that just doesnt work with them to begin with .-.

[vagrant pagoda]

Volume controls should be done my system

[wheat plume]

On linux, it seems to be up to the desktop

[vagrant pagoda]

I know that

[wheat plume]

Yeah, they should be handled by the OS itself ;-;

[reef patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/jarvis-jarvis-skill-issue-skill-issue-gif-24471438

[halcyon moss]

run a solid distro like ubuntu 🧌

[wheat plume]

nah

xd

[crimson wigeon]

Nah it should be handled by desktop environment so you can have slick integration (popups, maybe adjust media player volume instead, and so on)

[vagrant pagoda]

you can do both

[ashen spindle]

RDOA3 reviews are up

[crimson wigeon]

OHBOY

[fair gull]

rdoa?

[crimson wigeon]

dead on arrival

[fair gull]

red dead

oh

[vagrant pagoda]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=We71eXwKODw

[ashen spindle]

clocks and numbers are all over the place

yup this just screams hardware bugs

[vagrant pagoda]

?

[ashen spindle]

https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/Us9GDTO6C1wqoDJ7gx2G0MoEETcfURYxVtELnR-3j7U/https/i.yive.dev/j9l50nWrovNxAJpK.png?width=705&height=397

[crimson wigeon]

better than 4090 pogchamp

[vagrant pagoda]

you want the real reason for that?

[crimson wigeon]

worse than 4080 feelsbadman

[fair gull]

well

GN concluded the ref cards suck

[vagrant pagoda]

console ports work better on amd gpus

[fair gull]

so hope for AiB partners of AMD

[vagrant pagoda]

they said the 7000xtx ref is better than the 4080 ref though

[ashen spindle]

I mean that doesnt change that N31 simply has hardware bugs because we see high clocks possible at stock just no chance to sustain them during any load + the driver comments in linux about the bugs

[vagrant pagoda]

where are you seeing non sustained clocks?

[fair gull]

i wouldnt spend any money on an amd stock card with that coil whine

[vagrant pagoda]

yeah

but everyone has coil whine these days

[fair gull]

ya but that was

idk

just holy crap

[vagrant pagoda]

i know of no vender that has no coil whine lol

[crimson wigeon]

And some even have natural coil whine feels bad man

[ashen spindle]

https://twitter.com/0x22h/status/1602297154051010560

0x22h (@0x22h)

RDNA3最大的问题就是，增加SIMD32之后，寄存器方面几乎没有任何配套措施。Wave32的VOPD格式下的两个个FMA指令只能各自使用一个源操作数寄存器和一个共享的立即数。Wave64下面也是类似的情况，而且峰值性能只有理论值的5/6。

Twitter · Dec 12, 2022, 1:39 PM

[fair gull]

the amd card didnt have just some small coil whine but it was crying wanting to be liberated from pain and life

[ashen spindle]

yeah but that could've also been just their sample being unlucky

[fair gull]

ah so they send shitty samples to reviewers

so everyone doesnt want one

[vagrant pagoda]

yeah like almost half of the rtx 2xxx cards ive had to rma lol

[fair gull]

all the rtx cards i sold had very minimal whine

[ashen spindle]

I mean the same thing happens to all, der8abuer got coilwhine on a 4090 he had which was just on his review sample and none of the retail ones at one point iirc

they dont really make golden samples for media anymore

[fair gull]

not like im super interested in AMD gpus

[ashen spindle]

rest of the stack is finally on par it seems

[tropic nacelle]

My 3080FE has insane coilwhine.
Just to chuck in another anecdotal experience, my previous Vega 64 was much quieter.

Coil whine is just too variable, it's luck of the draw.

[vagrant pagoda]

wait no av1?

av1 was in the linux drivers

[fair gull]

also wheres the AI benchmarks at for AMD cards

[ashen spindle]

I think davinci didnt get the update yet for it is all

[vagrant pagoda]

so why

run the 4xxx in av1

lol

[crimson wigeon]

Also time is one thing, what about quality?

[vagrant pagoda]

Wendel says av1 is working in linux and windows

so its there

and its dual pipe

[ashen spindle]

yes it works I said I think davinci didn't get the update to use it, not that av1 doesnt work

[vagrant pagoda]

so dual 8k av1/265

[vagrant pagoda]

i know

why would they test in different settings

then compare lol

amd rates 265 at 180 and av1 at 240fps

apples to orange comparison

[ashen spindle]

probably to show just what the best can do there idk havent gotten to all that yet just saw the slide

[vagrant pagoda]

also

amd nativly splits encoders

between igpu and dgpou

[astral haven]

https://tpucdn.com/review/amd-radeon-rx-7900-xtx/images/control-rt-3840-2160.png

😭

[vagrant pagoda]

they dieing in rt like always

[crimson wigeon]

So just always gonna be one generation behind in RT performance

[vagrant pagoda]

the odd thing is

ps5 has rt

on rdna2

lol

they should be better

[ashen spindle]

well it did improve

29->50 on pure path tracing

[astral haven]

Yea but I doan wanna downgrade 😦

[ashen spindle]

well you could huff another dose and go with the assumption they found the issue and fix it on time which means summer release for N31Refresh lel

[astral haven]

Even perfect scaling dual die would be worse than 4090 😦

[vagrant pagoda]

tbo

i wonder if there is just no push for more rt from ms/sony

so amd is like meh

[astral haven]

Nah Nvidia just holds an insane amount of patents

[ashen spindle]

idk I think 60% rt increase for the generation when RT was not the focus for it is fine

[vagrant pagoda]

also

[ashen spindle]

now if the alleged supply of 200k cards is accurate, I wonder if they found the issues during the making of that lol because if they knew of it before that would be such a weird marketing decision

[vagrant pagoda]

i mean its not like you can play rt games at good fps anywayu

[vagrant pagoda]

what marketing decision?

they are cheaper and the same speed in raster than a 4080 lol

[ashen spindle]

you think they will sell more than nvidia did so far in the rest of this quarter?

[vagrant pagoda]

i mean

nvidia is under selling

[ashen spindle]

not really

[vagrant pagoda]

yeah it is

theyve never been out of stock

which hasnt happened for a gpu relase in how many years?

[ashen spindle]

ok then I thought you meant something else

but if they undersell why would amd oversell relatively

[vagrant pagoda]

easy

better price

[astral haven]

The 4090 can easily play games with rt
Especially with dlss...

[vagrant pagoda]

people balked at the 4080

and didnt buy it

[astral haven]

Ye

[vagrant pagoda]

arent they only at like 30-40k units?

[astral haven]

The 7900xtx will sell like hotcakes relatively speaking

[ashen spindle]

it was 130k 4090 and 30k 4080 shipments 3 weeks ago

maybe amd gets to sell it all with lower price and holiday season I guess

just seems optimistic to me that they sell more than nvidia does with not having a halo competition

[vagrant pagoda]

go look at 3080vs3090 sales

halos dont normally move that many units

[astral haven]

Halos move the midrange models

[vagrant pagoda]

november steam shows 1.78% vs 0.5% 3080 vs 3090

[ashen spindle]

dont think you can compare that with 30 series sales at any point

too much noise to say its useable data there really

[vagrant pagoda]

so LLT did 265 vs 265 and the 7900 did better vs the 4080, but the 4090 did way better

[tropic nacelle]

They move the lower range, the halo product is for marketing.

Uninformed consumers will just go "Nvidia has the best performing card so this other Nvidia card must be equally the best"

[vagrant pagoda]

yeah

but amd need ANYthing

they are so far behind market share in pc gaming

anyhting is good

just like intel

but intel is throwing in the towel at the start lol

intel and amd are less than a 1/4 of the market

[tropic nacelle]

It's the same as the numpties being sold for raytracing as a must have when they can only afford a 2060 xD

[tropic nacelle]

They have not thrown in the towel? They are spending loads to compete and will for many years

[ashen spindle]

which is why I just dont imagine how they can sell 200k cards in this month lol

[vagrant pagoda]

most of the rumors are the opposite

[ashen spindle]

nah the rumours that intel is giving up comes from MLID mostly

[tropic nacelle]

Rumours, key point.

Intel needs GPU market for data centres they are not going to leave it untapped.

Intel already said they are committed to it.

Hard to prove a negative like that but it's significantly more likely to continue.

[vagrant pagoda]

intel has no issue with makeing datacenter only products though

so needing it for datacenter has no bearing on desktop

[tropic nacelle]

Having a dedicated GPU architecture does 🙂

[vagrant pagoda]

instead of giving real full fat cores on desktop like datacenter, intel sends out laptop big little lol

which means they had to drop axv512

[tropic nacelle]

CPU != GPU
The cpu market segmentation is totally different.

[vagrant pagoda]

i mean

if you dont count amd

who uses the same silicon lol

[tropic nacelle]

You've lost me now, what?

[vagrant pagoda]

ryzen desktop is the exact same chiplets as servers

[tropic nacelle]

Yes, how does that matter about Intel making dedicated GPUs?

[vagrant pagoda]

this

amd and nvidia use same silicon for data center and desktop

intel dosent

[tropic nacelle]

It is different? You have different motherboards with different features like quad channel+ memory for AMD/Intel.

Intel just happens to moved to charging for more commercial features so you have to buy their pro versions.

[vagrant pagoda]

intel hates hedt

intels current "workstation" cpu is a 10c20t 2channel comet lake

[ashen spindle]

they have new hedt stuff coming

[vagrant pagoda]

yeah and the last hedt was when?

2019?

[ashen spindle]

sounds about right

[wheat plume]

halp

pacman broke

sudo pacman-key --populate archlinux

this worked!

[ashen spindle]

now the fun predictions are: will N32 at max die beat the 7900xt

and will N31+ be a thing or not

[gusty kiln]

What's the general consensus?

[reef patrol]

Stable Diffusion is pretty scary tech.

Also unintendedly hilarious when it goes wrong.

[ashen spindle]

basically it confirms my view that is a joke I stole from twitter: buying a 4080 is an IQ test

[gusty kiln]

hmmm, I wonder why HWU power draw is higher than everyone elses

400 while other people in the 300s

[ashen spindle]

they use total system power usually

[gusty kiln]

oh yeah

well at least one thing is for sure about the 7900XTX, it's the best COD GPU

[ashen spindle]

yea lol

[gusty kiln]

like wtf

beats the 4090 by like 20+%

[ashen spindle]

there are also some weird spots in some reviews like this

[gusty kiln]

yeah reviews feel all over the place, except for the fact it's basically a 4080

[ashen spindle]

4080, weaker RT, some weird outliners in either direction but most outliners are it being better

media engine seems to be on par

some driver issues like power consumption for multimonitor

but no big issues yet

[tropic nacelle]

Pretty much between 4080 and 4090 but much closer to 4080 and then 3090/ti for ray tracing.

I expected a little more rasterization performance to be closer to 4090 a bit more but it's close to expected

[gusty kiln]

honestly, I wouldn't mind buying it just to try

but yeah I can see people being hesitant

[tropic nacelle]

It certainly hasn't made me rush to sort out my time to preorder it.

I can't see myself buying any of these from the 3080, probably not the target audience but I suspect from Jan next year they will be dropping prices as Nvidia will respond.

[ashen spindle]

idk if I see nvidia drop prices already

[gusty kiln]

kinda funny that it feels like both AMD and nvidia are in an awkward position

[ashen spindle]

for a 3080 its really not a massive gain on anything for the cost, so either N31 refresh or gen after would make sense for your spot imo

[gusty kiln]

is a frequency driver fix a pipe dream?

[tropic nacelle]

Yeah, I was planning to give this to my niece so I was hoping it would be better than expected to make me rush out and get it done haha

[ashen spindle]

driver fix? yea pipe dream

[ashen spindle]

you see, Santa got stuck in traffic and got delayed till summer

too much CO2 made the reindeers sick, rudolph got covid

[tropic nacelle]

I'm getting flashbacks to Vega launch, it's not bad it's good but why is it so far down on what AMD initially stated last month.

We see 1.35x increase Vs 1.5x - 1.7x they claimed (I know cherry picked), it seems they didn't even have one to give to reviewed.

[ashen spindle]

ehh they did say up do and you see that up to in some picked scenarios, not that 1.5 is average

its less vega and more rdna1 launch but not as bad

this time they didnt need to launch radeon 7 as stop gap

[tropic nacelle]

Yeah i just expected closer to 1.5 average which is on me I guess.
Performance is decent relative to competition and price it just doesn't exceed it by a significant margin.

If you care for raytracing you would put up the extra $200 for the 4080, else you save $200 and have a generally faster raster card.

[ashen spindle]

tbh mostly I'm just sad for competition that they couldn't execute as planned

[tropic nacelle]

It's a good win in COD which is important to a lot of people these days so it will be interesting there, AMD should try and get a game bundle with that included or something.

[ashen spindle]

another gen of them competing top end right on launch would have made a good foundation for them

even if just in raster

[tropic nacelle]

Oh definitely, I'm wondering if it's the rumoured core clock scaling issues or if it's something broke in hardware or simply software.

I feel like it's less software as it's not a significant multichiplet design like say Zen.

[ashen spindle]

hardware issue that fucks something with power so it cant clock as high under load

not even related to the mcm design likely

[tropic nacelle]

This is where you find third party boards using custom PCB are more performant.

(One can hope haha)

[ashen spindle]

nono, hardware issue in the gcd silicon

[fickle ore]

fk the 7900 xtx/xt perf isn't encouraging

7800 xt will prob be like 4070 lvl

[ashen spindle]

see thats the funny part

7800xt might be almost 7900xtx lol

[fickle ore]

fk thém just gimme a 700€ gpu cmon

😄

How can it be so hard

[gusty kiln]

a 6950XT equivalent of RDNA3 might be ok at 500

but douibt

probably 750

[vagrant pagoda]

the coolest thing i saw was amd unifiing encoders

but idk why you need more than 2

[tropic nacelle]

I do wish we went back to <£500 high end cards!

[ashen spindle]

the coolest thing that I saw is that they seem to have made Shader clocks separate like on cpus lol

[vagrant pagoda]

i guess if you wanted local av1 and two or more streaming sites?

[gusty kiln]

6800xt selling for 570 at microcentrer

[ashen spindle]

and not just decoupled from front end

[vagrant pagoda]

but who has that upload

[gusty kiln]

would that saturate a gig upload?

[ashen spindle]

lots of people started streaming to twitch/youtube at the same time now that they can do do not rely on just one site

[vagrant pagoda]

nah

there is max bitrate for uploads

though you can do 4k yt

[fickle ore]

I can't even afford a 4080 jesus, cheapest is 1.5k€.

[vagrant pagoda]

which is 50mbit

[fickle ore]

FML

[ashen spindle]

think I'll just schedule an email to myself for the summer to see how the predictions for N31+/N32/N33 keep up lel

[gusty kiln]

oh yeah

are any 4080 actually 1200

[vagrant pagoda]

twitch is 1080p at 6mbit

[gusty kiln]

cuz if the 1000 MSRP of the 7900XTXdoesn't grow too much with AIBs

price/per could be way better

[ashen spindle]

yes, thats $1200+19%VAT

[gusty kiln]

leme check US pricing

[crisp granite]

AMD 8K GAMING

[fickle ore]

Actually if 7800 xt can be like 800€ in eu that would destroy NVDA

[crisp granite]

[gusty kiln]

cheapest 3080 is 1315

from PNY

[crisp granite]

why...do both manufacturers actually bother to market 8K

it's

[astral haven]

streaming to yt, twitch, fb, and ustream all at the same time i guess lel

[crisp granite]

not even close to feasible

[ashen spindle]

AMD has to mention it or else the fanboys will just talk about how amd cant do it at all

but they needed to just mention it once and ignore imo

[vagrant pagoda]

yeah but are they different bit ratesx?

[astral haven]

its perfectly useable for console framerates

[astral haven]

yes?

[fickle ore]

Looks like nvidia is just content to selling US customers at these 1.5k prices

[crisp granite]

not make it a massive part of their presentation? agreed

[crisp granite]

ew

exactly my point

[astral haven]

heck you could use an amd card to restream on your own platform at different resolutions

[crisp granite]

do it right or don't do it

[astral haven]

but many games dont need more than that...

also dlss ultra performance is pretty solid

[vagrant pagoda]

amd cards only have 2 encoders though

[astral haven]

1440p>8k looks fantastic on my 4k monitor lel

[vagrant pagoda]

but it links multiple cards and igpus under one encoder so its easier

[astral haven]

🤷 you asked why youd want more

i said why

[vagrant pagoda]

but still

fb is the same as twtich as far as i can see

[astral haven]

i have used 3 encoders before

[vagrant pagoda]

6mbit 264

[astral haven]

twitch takes 8mbps

[vagrant pagoda]

is it now?

https://stream.twitch.tv/encoding/

they say 6000

[astral haven]

ye

but the system only blocks you at 8.4mbps

[ashen spindle]

yeah 8k is possible for a while now and they just never updated that site

because why would they, could help streamers

[vagrant pagoda]

ok

so 8kbit to fb and twtich

what is ustream?

[astral haven]

and twitch supports 4 b frames while fb supports 3

[vagrant pagoda]

looks like a ibm product?