Yes - Have you ever tried to RMA a laptop? That shit will take 2 months easy ๐
#๐โtech
reef patrol
latent mural
2??
ashen spindle
not to mention if they fight the chargeback that wouldn't take 48 hours total lol
reef patrol
Also a chargeback has serious consequences for credit scores and blacklists. Which is why we don't like it.
pale sigil
not to mention if they fight the chargeback that wouldn't take 48 hours total lo...
Well ye then go small claims but most of the time chargeback goes through and tbh they side way to much with the consumers.
ashen spindle
idk never had to do a chargeback so cant talk about it that much
pale sigil
never gone entirely through with it but i almost got far in it till the retailer just "resolved" it.
Banks dont even always bother contacting the seller.
Which is why when peopel do it for games like FOrtnite Epic - their account.
As they got no say
Which i dont entirely agree with on the banks side
good olde here is the money, we wil just charge them.
tropic nacelle
You get the money back pretty much instantly on a charge back, the problem is if it's disputed it could become a problem in many months time when they try and get it back and your story is wrong.
Obviously fine if you aren't lying so it's always a good thing to have to fall back on.
If a laptop took 2 months to repair I'd be pissed, "reasonable" timeframe which is generally accepted 30 days here would cover you in a claim against them but it won't fix it immediately
reef patrol
You get the money back pretty much instantly on a charge back, the problem is if...
30 day is acceptable, but in practice it goes longer. Companies like ACER and Lenovo were terrible with this.
(And half the time they just wiped the drive, reinstalled Windows and went "yep, fixed") so we'd have to complain to them - as the seller.
ashen spindle
again, higher power consumption
pale sigil
it was great on the HP x34
and i dont use hdmi
again it seemed pretty good when i used freesync premium on the hp x3
@tropic nacelle
q-q
stark bobcat
that's pretty cool
pale sigil
no blue light
stark bobcat
if only we had stuff like that in germany I would ask my parents to buy me shit so often
pale sigil
Why did i fall out with a friend who was an NHS nurse
sharp badger
When using a Freesync monitor with a Nvidia card do one lose anything in performance/quality? ๐ค
stark bobcat
no
pale sigil
you can se gsync over freesync
stark bobcat
the freesync is the same on amd and nvidia
pale sigil
qdoled
latent mural
dang
ashen spindle
isn't xqdef just for leds
latent mural
will there be a time where you can get that for like 50$ in 50 years? Like games for example, old games go from 60$ to like 5$
latent mural
Will there be 240hz for 50$?
latent mural
Imagine kids in the future saying "ugh 240hz is a slideshow"
sharp badger
Yeah the LG monitor is interesting too
astral haven
Qdoled are not qdef
They use blue oleds as an exciter for the quantum dots directly
pale sigil
@ashen spindle tbh id remove an entire monitor if i got this.
So i think powerwise id be fine
*2 monitors
ashen spindle
yeah no chance lol
if you game you will miss not having discord or videos on the side
astral haven
Wish Nvidia had the opposite of surround lel
halcyon moss
Ypu got extra bucks?
sharp badger
Was thinking of using the AW34 with an vertical 27inch 1440p IPS-display
astral haven
Wish Nvidia had the opposite of surround lel
The ability to split a monitor in half via drivers would be awesome for the 49 inchers
stark bobcat
not having 2 screen is so ass everytime I visit my parents I have to put up with that shit
halcyon moss
Same
stark bobcat
The ability to split a monitor in half via drivers would be awesome for the 49 i...
why isnt that a thing yet?
pretty stupid if u ask me
ashen spindle
suggest it to intel so they add it, will work without issue 
sharp badger
Just feel like ''multitasking'' would be better with two displays ๐ค
pale sigil
it is
sharp badger
That's why i think that an AW34 plus my old 1440p 27inch IPS-Display would work quite well ๐ค
ashen spindle
yeah just dont do what I tried and use TN as secondary lmfao
latent mural
Does having 2 monitors decrease perfomance by alot or?
stark bobcat
34 + 27? u have a lot of deskspace?
sharp badger
Instead of buying the 45inch
ashen spindle
totally forgot how bad viewing angles are on TN
sharp badger
Nah would just use an monitor arm and angle it
latent mural
If it doesn't then I might consider getting a cheap 2nd monitor
sharp badger
It's doable
stark bobcat
I have 2 27'' monitors and I wish my main monitor was 24''
sharp badger
Ah ok, why? ๐
latent mural
do you guys know any monitor for like under 50$?
ashen spindle
yeah used stuff on ebay
sharp badger
Also what display technology if so?
latent mural
Preferably in estonia
latent mural
yeah used stuff on ebay
I don't really trust ebay that much
Never bought from there
stark bobcat
Ah ok, why? ๐
my other monitor too far away would like it closer
latent mural
or local shop that sells used hardware
Don't have one here LOL
gusty kiln
yeah just dont do what I tried and use TN as secondary lmfao
Hey that's me with 2 of them on each side
ashen spindle
yea well mine is on its way back to sender lmfao
already replaced it with ips
so much better
gusty kiln
Spent like a hour adjusting them so that they won't look like absolute shit when I turn my head to look at them
ashen spindle
yea I got it ok but still, was in 14 day return windows and ips option costed the same lol
gusty kiln
Kek
They were my old gaming monitors
Back when tn where the only ones with decent response times
Well affordable decent response times
fair gull
paytv with ads is already scum
cursive summit
https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/news/sky-warns-customers-charged-5-25644831
Isn't this the country where you legally have to pay for TV and if you refuse they will cease and desist your ass?
Imagine having TV
reef patrol
Isn't this the country where you legally have to pay for TV and if you refuse th...
That's a lot of Europe.
cursive summit
Thank damn god not here
wheat plume
Sky is also in Ireland, but you can also access free TV channels
cursive summit
Not a penny I would pay for an useless service
wheat plume
but you need to pay tv licvense
pale sigil
Sky is just "cable"
wheat plume
for any device with a screen in the house .-.
reef patrol
Though more sensible countries have finally moved it to be part of regular taxes instead of a "if you have thing, you pay license" style payment system. Because those only hurt legitimate users.
fair gull
Isn't this the country where you legally have to pay for TV and if you refuse th...
well in the uk they have no real power if you dont pay as evidenced by people collecting those letters and posting them online for literal years.
cursive summit
Though more sensible countries have finally moved it to be part of regular taxes...
Tf do I have to pay for the TV for in my taxes
cursive summit
It makes literally 0 sense if I don't even own a TV
pale sigil
just Americans used to call any premium channels cable tv
reef patrol
Tf do I have to pay for the TV for in my taxes
You don't - You're paying taxes to provide for state cultural services. Be it public broadcast television, radio, museums or a statue in a park.
pale sigil
Most if not all Premium TV is satellite now
cursive summit
You don't - You're paying taxes to provide for state cultural services. Be it pu...
Meh my country does not have that, and even if it did I would just refuse
reef patrol
You're literally doing it now. Or do you claim YOUR NATION has no public museums or libraries? ๐
reef patrol
The Radio/TV license model is just ancient and outdated. From a time where only the few, privileged had these, and it made more sense to charge those few specifically.
Nowadays every device has this, so it doesn't make sense to spend resources charging "everyone" and using time/money to verify this... if everyone theoretically has them already.
pale sigil
The TV license doesn't go to the Government really
cursive summit
Most museums here are paid entry
pale sigil
It literally just funds the BBC
cursive summit
So maybe that's how we escaped the bane of extra taxes
reef patrol
Most museums here are paid entry
That doesn't even begin to cover the costs of operating an institute like that ๐
pale sigil
if you watch any channel other than the BBC you dotn need to pay for a tv license.
reef patrol
Yeah your approach is just fucked, Pleasant ๐
ashen spindle
here you pay for independant tv because we kinda had bad history of media being owned by government and saying what they want ๐
kinda like it is in the us now almost
cursive summit
here you pay for independant tv because we kinda had bad history of media being ...
Same here honestly
reef patrol
I'm just glad they finally moved it back into taxes here a few years ago. Because the few who insisted on sneaking around it were basically just NOT paying the taxes everyone should equally.
cursive summit
There are very few "public national" channels and even those run ads to survive
pale sigil
its optional here technically, you need to prove you dont watch TV.
And dont watch BBC online
cursive summit
The only channel that I can think of that doesn't run any ads is our equivalent of U.K House meetings
pale sigil
Which is not ha;rd, you just send a request, they cant prove shit :p
pale sigil
BBC tbf runs 0 ads.
reef patrol
On a similar note - Not paying 1% of your income to the state church? Oh hell yes.
cursive summit
There's such a thing as "state church"
cursive summit
Man maybe I actually live in a good country, we don't have such things like you do
Church here scams people to survive 
No gov support
reef patrol
We never separated state and church in Denmark - Which ironically lead to the most irrelevant and forgotten church. Since the state kept it, we never had that whole American holy telemarketing stuff.
We're basically atheist in practice as a nation.
cursive summit
It's funny how we are the opposite, church runs as basically a company, and it has a lot of support
reef patrol
Since there's no money in religion here, no one really care ๐
fickle ore
On a similar note - Not paying 1% of your income to the state church? Oh hell ye...
Yep. Thank god. I'd be paying 2%
New med-high end gpu each year or so ๐
stark bobcat
In germany taxes for the church are voluntary
fickle ore
Sure, voluntary in here too in the sense that you can opt-out, but are by default opt-in at spawn
stark bobcat
Now make being an organ donor opt out
stark bobcat
The default being after u die they get to have your organs unless you specifically say no
As someone with an organ that is not my own I'm a tad bit biased but it would be nice
Some countries already have this
cursive summit
The default being after u die they get to have your organs unless you specifical...
"Yooo, we about to harvest your organs, you okay with that"
"-"
"Thought so, get at it lads"
Can even your family members object? Surely
stark bobcat
Most likely yes unless you carry a document stating the opposite
I'm really lucky the person I got my cornea from had their organ donor papers when they died
RIP my dude
I'm sure they were a swell fella
stark bobcat
"Yooo, we about to harvest your organs, you okay with that"
"-"
"Thought so, get...
Not say as in like speak but unless you carry a document or there is some sort of database
Rn in germany if you die without your organ donor shit on your person your organs go to waste
When you die
You die
I have yet to witness someone respawn
crisp granite
I have yet to witness someone respawn
Jesus
it took him 3 days
but he fucking did it
cursive summit
There was actually someone who respawned
Wtf happened to my discord font
Why is it unreadable
fair gull
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/715987394733670420/1047993289338540102/image.png
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/222197033908436994/1047987604722810890/image.png
old vs new
top is old
new font shit cause scaling issues
cursive summit
I think that's why
It's heavily oversharpened on my end
Just looks like the spacing is way off
fair gull
if you use discord desktop on a 1080p screen u get subpixel fuckery
theres probably other combinations of screen res and windows scaling that do the same
cursive summit
It looks like this here
Doesn't even look like the same font
I really don't like it
fair gull
open dev tools and check css font family
cursive summit
Now what's dev tools
I'll google it
There's a thing called dev tools?
I'm only seeing dev terminal, which I can't summon with the shortcut
Is it this?
lavish dagger
is the keyboard sensitive to temperatures? I brought my keyboard to a lan and once I plugged it in there were a lot of misinput keystrokes it is unusable
cursive summit
is the keyboard sensitive to temperatures? I brought my keyboard to a lan and on...
It uses magnets, shouldn't really be impacted by temperature
ashen spindle
surely this confirms a 7970 with fixed cores is coming @astral haven :copium:
astral haven
Copium is right lel
wheat plume
Found an app that can provide synced lyrics for songs on YouTube while streaming them
astral haven
Shazam lel
latent mural
is the keyboard sensitive to temperatures? I brought my keyboard to a lan and on...
Probably a bad calibration
Unplug n plug in and wait for the leds
lavish dagger
Unplug n plug in and wait for the leds
Did this about 1000 times all I did was transport it in a padded carrying case and it just doesnโt work lol
latent mural
That's weird, temperature shouldn't change anything
blissful holly
if you had the choice between a 7900xtx n a 4080 which would u buy
crisp granite
if you had the choice between a 7900xtx n a 4080 which would u buy
wait for official benchmarks from third parties
from there choose what you want based on performance and price
find an AiB card that suits your build
deft umbra
yeah not gonna commit to either until reviews
crisp granite
I prefer neither because there are no benchmarks nor AiB cards released
deft umbra
would like to get another sapphire GPU though
crisp granite
idk
I'm sitting this gen out
deft umbra
i should im just dumb
crisp granite
I'm probably going to sit the next one out as well tbh
sit on my 3070 for the next while
this thing does everything I can throw at it comfortably
see no need to change it
deft umbra
idk knowing I can play most my games at 120fps with minimal noise compared to my 3080 ti sounds good
but I guess I should just learn to lower settings
crisp granite
I use open back headphones about half a metre from my PC
my PC is wonderfully quiet at full tilt
deft umbra
i have my card OC'd which keeps it from thermal throttling... might try and underclock it again so I get lower temps
they're usually all quiet if you use stock settings
but mine was thermal throttling at stock
crisp granite
my PC is wonderfully quiet at full tilt
all air cooled
dark rock 4 and a really overbuilt 3070 with the same cooler design as the 3090 boards from the same brand
crisp granite
but mine was thermal throttling at stock
...wtf lol
deft umbra
i had a small form case and the airflow wasn't great
deft umbra
raijintex styx classic
this one wasn't it's not as good of SFF anyways
the mobo is upside down compared to most boards
so my GPU fans were pointing up
deft umbra
it's micro ATX
crisp granite
that's just one of the worst cases I've ever seen
deft umbra
yeah it sucked i wouldn't get it again
deft umbra
i bought it to water cool with
crisp granite
you're starving your card
deft umbra
so it was fine for the original purpose
crisp granite
i bought it to water cool with
I'd get a case with more airflow to watercool with
rads need some cool air too lol
it's just an objectively shit case
deft umbra
yeah it really is, but I didn't know that when I got it
i just wanted a gold colored case cause it matches my other desk stuff
and that was the only one out
crisp granite
you could have sanded off the original finish of a good case
painted gold and covered in a protectant, yk
deft umbra
i lived in an apartment 30 floors high so sanding and painting wasn't too easy
but yeah that'd be smarter I also just don't know much about proper painting
crisp granite
personally, I'd invest in a case up to a point
it should not be...that
but a solid hundred dollar case would serve anyone well
deft umbra
it was a budget watercooling build mean to fit on a small desk lmao so it fit that build, just not any others
crisp granite
I've got a Pure Base 500DX and this thing is just insanely good while being on the smaller side of ATX
crisp granite
it was a budget watercooling build mean to fit on a small desk lmao so it fit th...
ah...scary
small and budget
yikes lol
deft umbra
i'm using a fractal meshify 2 compact lite now i kinda wish I just went 011
crisp granite
nah, meshify was definitely the better call
deft umbra
honestly not a huge fan of this case because my CPU AIO was too thick to mount on top
but the 4090 liquid surpim x should fit if I can get one
my fault for not measuring as well as I could tho
deft umbra
how do you even paint something like that without messing up the air flow though
deft umbra
well we were talking about sanding down and painting a case, how do you make sure the paint doesn't fill up the air holes at all
umbral knot
masking tape
proud girder
Not me waiting for the next status change on the website
Iโm so hyped for it to change even tho I donโt have the keyboard yet
Something about โshipment to warehouseโ is exciting to me
ashen spindle
Twitter
misty saffron
shadow minnow
https://youtu.be/tPbIsxIQb8M
I love nvidia 
cursive summit
https://youtu.be/tPbIsxIQb8M
I love nvidia <:blobaww:485173130344661003>
We sure all love novideo for pricing cards on 50% markup
shadow minnow
True, Intel used to be nvidia but competition forced them to change
tropic nacelle
I mean AMD has been competitive for years on GPU front so NVIDIA hasn't stood still they just milked the sale price while improving.
Unfortunately AMD hasnt been dominant in the market so even being a little better and significantly cheaper at most price points doesn't result in sale as the mindset is just "Nvidia best" due to 1 halo product.
Much like what uninformed consumers did with Intel, just go Intel as it was known as good at some point and continued.
I don't see it changing unless AMD can undercut by like 50% in some wild swings as most will ignore the value side and still pick Nvidia.
Intel may help once they have established arc properly with reasonable drivers
stark bobcat
I mean people bought intel because intel was better
or u wanna tell me bulldozer was any good
all of fx really
tropic nacelle
or u wanna tell me bulldozer was any good
I mean before bulldozer haha.
Phenom was phenomenal xD.
Still uninformed people would only buy Intel regardless of Intel buying off big firms like dell.
fair gull
bruh i really got into pc gaming and my first new pc was... an fx 4100 or some shit
couldnt even play minecraft without framedrops
tropic nacelle
I remember having an x3 and unlocked the fourth core that was fully working. Those were the days!
fair gull
after that i converted to intel with a sweet 4790k
tropic nacelle
Yeah that was a smart decision!
fair gull
i bet that thing could still run most games i play without breaking a sweat
sad i gave it away
tropic nacelle
It will definitely run then but it would be sweating hard these days haha
fair gull
eh i play ffxiv and sometimes mc
maybe elite dangerous
no big games. but i still regret buyin a 9700k
tropic nacelle
Really tempted to swap to the 5800x3d but trying to avoid the temptation as I may just jump into AM5 and get the 7000 series x3d.
fair gull
ill probably not build a new pc for the next 3 or 4 years anyway
tropic nacelle
My niece wants a PC so me getting AM5 will mean I can give her my machine instead.
Definitely an easy excuse to spend money ๐
Yeah AM4 is pretty cheap buy in now,I already have a 5700x I just want higher min frames, x3d makes massive difference to the main games I play so easy sell to me.
Actually going to have to look at motherboard reviews and stuff again as I haven't bought one since my crosshair 6 hero at launch of AM4
tropic nacelle
I wouldn't go Asus again, it was my last board where I said I'll give them another chance and it all went to hell with pretty poor support compared to Asrock with their tachi.
Top of the list was Asrock for support from my own mental list but I'll be having a proper look over Christmas to what the consensus was with board support as that may have changed.
stark bobcat
I like my asrock board it does what I need it to well enough without being shit like my last asus board
vagrant pagoda
after that i converted to intel with a sweet 4790k
4790k was amazing
I upgraded from 4790k to 5800x3d lol
But 4790k+1080ti was amazing for long time
First CPU that supported m.2 which is why I got it
tropic nacelle
You are a bit late with that!
wheat plume
...bruh
ashen spindle
lana thats 18 months in the past
wheat plume
I know....but damn .-.
cursive summit
I know....but damn .-.
More relevant would be the semi-old news of a guy being called cops on cause Apple thought he was a pedo cause they had pictures of their naked infant who was sick and those images were sent to a medical specialist
final flame
calm anchor
I don't I buy China products xD
astral haven
Yep you do
ashen spindle
This also has nothing to do with apple
Literally anyone could breach contract and steal images
calm anchor
Ofc the difference is if they do it
ashen spindle
Only thing apple could do here is better regulations what they can access it but even that would never be perfect
astral haven
Literally anyone could breach contract and steal images
Samsung has a repair mode that prevents any access to images for repair techs
iPhones dont
calm anchor
And you pay more for iPhones
Okay this gen probably not that much more
But 1400 for a phone ๐
astral haven
Nope, Samsung has more expensive phones lel
Fold is 1800
calm anchor
Yeah for a invention no one asked for lol
As I said not anymore
And I still don't get why ppl buy the new flagship every year
shadow minnow
Too much money to be bothered usually
calm anchor
It's the same with ppl who buy a new graphics card every year
astral haven
New graphics cards are often 50% faster lmao
ashen spindle
Yeah if phones would improve as much as gpus that would be insane
calm anchor
New graphics cards are often 50% faster lmao
Sure but do you need it is the question
Why buy a rtx 4090 when you only play roblox u know
shadow minnow
Why buy anything at the end all is worthless 
calm anchor
True u can't take it to the grave
shadow minnow
Well you can take it to the grave technically
Though thatโs not really gonna help you
calm anchor
Technically yes
And iirc someone did that just to fuck off his greedy family
astral haven
Sure but do you need it is the question
Why buy a rtx 4090 when you only play r...
Even worse I only watch YouTube videos mostly
calm anchor
Hahahaha
vagrant pagoda
The other crazy apple security was the icloud breach
astral haven
But for literally nothing can drive 4k240hz hdr
shadow minnow
Technically yes
And iirc someone did that just to fuck off his greedy family
In past it was a pretty common thing actually
vagrant pagoda
But for literally nothing can drive 4k240hz hdr
I mean if you want to play glquake
astral haven
You know what I mean -_-
vagrant pagoda
Actually
I'd be surprised
4k240hz would be horrible on vram
Don't know if you can push that even now
shadow minnow
https://youtu.be/ujmKulk40kM
Lol both Anker and eufy twitters are dead
vagrant pagoda
Also
Who actually expects ANY iot device to be secure?
I don't care who makes it
ashen spindle
well at least in theory you could make it be something that is only used in your local net and not sends stuff to the internet itself
vagrant pagoda
Yeah
ashen spindle
smart home stuff should be smart from the controller and dumb in itself
vagrant pagoda
That's you expecting it to be insecure
ashen spindle
sorta I guess
that's me thinking like I do with my code to do it in a logical way lol
wheat plume
Who actually expects ANY iot device to be secure?
they did say that everything is stored locally, clearly lies
vagrant pagoda
I mean that dosent mean you aren't dumb for believing it
ESPECIALLY from a Chinese tech company
crimson wigeon
Internet of trash
vagrant pagoda
Like I wouldn't trust a esp32 that I flashed to be secure
Let alone a crazy powerful ai equipped camera
calm anchor
I have Software at work that saves the password in plain text ๐
astral haven
Don't know if you can push that even now
Yep
That's why I'm waiting for either a dual GPU or a 4090ti
ashen spindle
just wait for fixed N31 :copium: will also just be 1100$ bc amd is just generous
ashen spindle
nah that one isn't even cope that's just disillusioned
calm anchor
crimson wigeon
Oh it will, just you wait for the BATTLEMAGE to blast all competition with the magic missiles and stuff
ashen spindle
Raja is contractually obligated to only makes products that want to compete with the 1080
astral haven
just wait for fixed N31 :copium: will also just be 1100$ bc amd is just generous
N31 even fixed is slower than 4090ti
ashen spindle
N31 even fixed is slower than 4090ti
not if it's hyper fixed
astral haven
Even then
calm anchor
Oh it will, just you wait for the BATTLEMAGE to blast all competition with the m...
Intel arc is the same as a wizard casting Fireball in a small room in DnD
vagrant pagoda
Yep
That's why I'm waiting for either a dual GPU or a 4090ti
I mean more engine wise
Glquake would have a hard time with that big of a frame that fast
astral haven
There are a few games that can actually run that fast just at lower settings
vagrant pagoda
Yeah
I just know glquake has a hard time with normal 4k lol
1080 was high res when glquake was made
astral haven
very much looking forward to portal rtx
ashen spindle
if only the price wasn't what it is
vagrant pagoda
very much looking forward to portal rtx
Same
ashen spindle
like its so insane I can just wait bit over a week and get a sapphire card for half the price that gets like 80-90% of the same performance
crimson wigeon
But D-.. we'll see when the benchmarks come
ashen spindle
well thankfully I dont want Frame hallucinations
ashen spindle
if it would they surely would've talked about it
well at least I have hope I can easily get one
since that 4090 has been sitting there for about an hour and sold 1 time so far lel
cursive summit
Well the benchmarks they showed were actually incredibly competitive with 4090
I hope it's 10% away at least
ashen spindle
they said up to 1.7x and showed one case of 1.7x
weird though how this one takes forever to sell and on proshop the 4090 msi AiO is sold out instantly
though I guess proshop sells to more than just germany
astral haven
fastest always has cost alot more than second best...
ashen spindle
yeah welll that part is fine
but doesnt help when the second best is also terrible value this time
astral haven
๐
ashen spindle
buying the 4080 really is an IQ test
astral haven
eh dunno about that one
if you just want frames that look good, nvidia is the way to go
ashen spindle
but I can get a 3090 for less lol
astral haven
3090 is slower
20 vs 30 is a very noticeable difference in fps...
throw in dlss thats about 35 vs 50 fps...
ashen spindle
sure, but what is it in non RT cases and also in that case you should got a 4090 if you play that setting
ashen spindle
and like, sure its better in RT but a 2 year older card for less can almost do the same? idk seems really bad
ashen spindle
and the 4090 is more efficient if you limit it I'm pretty sure ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
astral haven
its also $500 more
remember in gaming the 4090 doesnt even use its full power limit
ashen spindle
I know
astral haven
the 4080 doesnt either
ashen spindle
thats why I think its better to got for that or lower
astral haven
its pretty crazy that the 4080 is the same power consumption in gaming as your gpu...
ashen spindle
idk just think if the 4090 is too much a 4080 as a new gen is way too bad value to put into a value build
ashen spindle
I don't think hitting a specific budget just to hit it is a good idea
astral haven
lets say for sake of argument that i have $2200 to spend on a gift for myself for christmas (because thats what is the case)
the 4080 is at the moment the fastest option within that budget for a whole pc
ashen spindle
if we ignore amd and there is no choice of like using something else till better value might come and ignore used market for top end 30 series cards
astral haven
all of those are slower tho besides waiting for a 4080ti or whatever
in some cases
not all cases ofc
but this card absolutely has a reason to exist
ashen spindle
slower yes, but I can also get a used 3090 from somewhat reputable ebay seller from 800 vs 1500 for the cheapest 4080 new
idk thats just too much for me to think the price for a 4080 is justifiable when its not the top end
astral haven
the 4080 is in some cases 20% or even 30% faster as seen above
ashen spindle
yes, in some cases, not on average, and still almost 2x the price
sharp badger
Still think 3090 is better if one wants value
4080 needs to drop in price
For better value
ashen spindle
3 listings of a 3090 sold between 820 and 840 in the last week, cheapest model for the 4080 is 1475
but most are 1.5 or 1.6
astral haven
Still think 3090 is better if one wants value
yep
but if you are hitting a specific budget, the 4080 is still faster within a budget that fits it
ashen spindle
personally just think its better to safe the money and use it for either something else or an earlier upgrade, but yes, purely numbers wiser it obviously is faster
ashen spindle
info isnt wrong but in the end it doesnt matter
all big 3 talk about it in different ways and just use it for marketing
astral haven
yep
cerebras is years ahead of moores law, we have many years to make new ics that have more transistors
heck a nand package is an ic, and the current biggest nand packages are nearly as many transistors as cerebras...
sharp badger
Waiting for some better deals on faster latency DDR5 so yeah they're fluctuating quite in price with this new tech
Looking at some CL28 or CL30
The 16gb kit i bought for starters is now like 60โฌ cheaper at least
But bought it because i wanted to wait for better latencys
astral haven
i await being able to buy fast 64gb sticks
i dont want to downgrade from my 128 but i also dont want to have it not be upgradeable
sharp badger
Yeah
Kinda want 64gb
But they're not good with latencys yet
But i can wait
Can run most of the stuff i need at the moment
astral haven
what lel
sharp badger
Yeah
astral haven
nvidia sells a thousand 4090s for every a6000...
i mean theyve sold several hundred thousand 4090s already
sharp badger
But the 3080 i've got is enough at the moment, would just want to upgrade ram atm.
ashen spindle
Top end sku being sold out on launch is nothing new and will come back fairly soon if no crypto stuff happens again
chrome estuary
I'd like to move to a Ryzen 7000 system but I'm holding off for now
sharp badger
Cheapest CL30, 6000MHz, 64gb atm. is priced at 585โฌ
astral haven
I'd like to move to a Ryzen 7000 system but I'm holding off for now
i dont, because i dont want to downgrade ram speed lel
they only support officially 128gb at 3600mt/s
sharp badger
There's better value with Intel for now
When they've got the DDR4 boards
But i upgraded from an 5820k to 12700k and went with DDR5
ashen spindle
Yeah some models are in stock at almost all points
chrome estuary
I actually forgot 12th gen Intel was DDR5
sharp badger
Oh there's DDR5 CL30, 5600MHz, 64GB Ripjaws S5 for 409,39โฌ ๐
astral haven
i just want someone to make an actual workstation grade ddr5 msdt motherboard
my only criteria is 100gbe ethernet without stealing lanes from the gpu
thats literally it
neither am5 nor 1700 has that
cursive summit
@astral havenAre you aware if Final Mouse and Final Audio are related?
astral haven
no clue
cursive summit
These look cute, f-audio a5000
Although rn I think I'm waiting for the new Moondrop Chu sequels to come out
gusty kiln
they've been around for a while now too
astral haven
Although rn I think I'm waiting for the new Moondrop Chu sequels to come out
there are so many better options than the chus...
gusty kiln
that's manufacturing
cursive summit
there are so many better options than the chus...
I am well aware, but I think the Jiu's will be cool
gusty kiln
not the actual company
HQ is still in the US
Stax is originally japanese, but it got 100% bought out by Edifier who are chinese
but dunno if they still make them in japan
astral haven
I am well aware, but I think the Jiu's will be cool
buying cheap iems that cant be easily converted to tws is kinda??
gusty kiln
what is the 2 pin connector called for some iems?
gusty kiln
astral haven
I know mmcx is way more popular
not by units sold
gusty kiln
from enthusiasts at least
astral haven
๐คท mmcx is not fantastic
gusty kiln
astral haven
i much prefer 2 pin
yea i own something similar to those
cause the 2 pin version of the fiio utws doesnt work with the truthear zeros
the mmcx + 2 pin adapter set is fully compatible
ashen spindle
Nah amd said on the FAD in February or so this year that v cache is coming h1 2023
Oh wait I read three as there
Yeah idk I donโt quite see the reason why 12 core would make sense with it
astral haven
12 core has more cache per core
ashen spindle
Sure but people likely would buy it as 16 core so more margin for amd
I meant I donโt see much reason for amd to do it
astral haven
sure but there will be some dead cores ๐คท
they are already gonna be making the lower core counts for genoa-x
they will probably have a 36 core that people will use with 4 cores disabled for license /32 cpu core software
and thatll have 2 more x3d chips vs a 32 core using 4 dies
576mb vs 384mb
ashen spindle
Speaking of more dies https://www.freepatentsonline.com/20220320042.pdf wonder if thatโs for mi300 or future rdna
wheat plume
I like the new media widget in Plasma desktop ๐
Even shows media playing on phone via kde connect
ashen spindle
thank god the 4090 is finally sold out so it can no longer tempt me
astral haven
lel
i can get on a waiting list for a 4090 still but i refuse
also sad times, my gsuite price has actually increased ๐ฆ
they said it would happen a year ago but its finally there on my cc bill ๐ฆ
ashen spindle
well other 4090s are in stock but I kinda dont want a 4slot monster that would break my pcie slot after a year
astral haven
screw it in?
ashen spindle
could help, but even then I I think it might collide with my pcie to m2 adapter card
also I want a 7900 for a more reasonable price so I'm just finding reasons to avoid it till then xD
astral haven
alright but i dont want valve to waste their time doing that
crisp granite
i really hope they are working on the deckard now
same
I am just waiting for deckard at this point
I'm completely sold on VR and have a pretty sizable backlog of VR games
cursive summit
I am just waiting for deckard at this point
I'm completely sold on VR and have a...
You are the minority
Plenty of people completely dislike VR, and imo for good reasons
ashen spindle
huh
cursive summit
It's a technology in its relative infancy and pretty cumbersome
Imo same shit as many other tech that nowadays is considered the norm, peeps will embrace it once it matures
stark bobcat
Plenty of people completely dislike VR, and imo for good reasons
wat???????????? I'm pretty sure most ppl don't even know about vr
and I think most people who tried it don't dislike it
ashen spindle
yeah if anything people have not fixed issues with motion sickness and such yet but I dont really see people disliking it
stark bobcat
out of all the people I showed vr to on my very pedestrian htc vive I have not had a single negative reaction
they all seemed to have quite a bit of fun
your opinions != the opinions of most people
ashen spindle
also people having issue with it is far from them completely disliking it
cursive summit
wat???????????? I'm pretty sure most ppl don't even know about vr
Hence VR users and even likers are the minority
stark bobcat
sure
cursive summit
And no, I don't think most of the majority genuinely hate VR, prolly just indifferent
But I have recently seen a lot of comments from people who don't like VR in VR articles, and they are shitting all over it
Mostly calling it useless
stark bobcat
so you read "journalism"
cursive summit
Meh I don't really agree, it's a new way to experience things
astral haven
10+m people use vr already
its a bigger club than any one model of gpu
cursive summit
And I hope it will progress to a stage where VR goggles are lightweight and easy to wear and use
cursive summit
10+m people use vr already
its a bigger club than any one model of gpu
I want to see official stats of how many GTX 1060s were made
astral haven
more were made
but fewer people use them
official numbers were like 20m for all of pascal
stark bobcat
?????
astral haven
thats the definition of useless
vr is useful
it however doesnt have utility for everyone
cursive summit
Ehh, I'd draw a difference
Useless is completely rubbish, unusable
Not useful is something you would not use in your typical day to day scenario, however has its uses in niche circumstances
stark bobcat
that doesn't mean it's not useful .....
cursive summit
I do think VR is the most useful in education and probably work-related areas
stark bobcat
it just means it's not useful to you
stark bobcat
dunno
astral haven
its been used for therapy
stark bobcat
I know mostly about military and industrial applications
astral haven
dont know what disabilities it can be used to help with
cursive summit
astral haven
laaaaaaate
cursive summit
laaaaaaate
Tbf there is a new article about it like, biweekly
Also not late, literally first
Just that everyone keeps reposting the same old shit with different sources and little to no extra information
cursive summit
right here
Ahh, soz
astral haven
Isn't that... kinda high?
same as the other models
cursive summit
Yeah?
astral haven
amds tdps is unrelated to power usage
cursive summit
I am well aware they calculate them differently depending on company
astral haven
yes but amds doesnt at all involve the power usage of the cpu
cursive summit
Just that 65W extra TDP over 7700X is interesting, 5800X3D had the same TDP as non-X3D
astral haven
7700x3d aint happening (probably)
cursive summit
Adding some extra leeway in there
astral haven
also btw thats not that big of a problem
cursive summit
Do we think having the 65W extra TDP will perhaps allow the 8 core boost a bit higher?
astral haven
there are plenty of clip ons
astral haven
Do we think having the 65W extra TDP will perhaps allow the 8 core boost a bit h...
not vs the coming 7800x
cursive summit
not vs the coming 7800x
7800X has been announced?
astral haven
as much as the 7800x3d has been
crisp granite
will it throttle?
also yes
ideal operating temps
either that or I'll undervolt it...a lot
astral haven
no cooler can provide that
crisp granite
no cooler can provide that
eh, not even that wild fuckin cooler that drew 500+ watts on it's own?
forgot what it was called
astral haven
the closest may be the id cooling cascade cooler, however it doesnt have the heat capacity for 185w
crisp granite
but it was some cool thing that was cold on one side, scorching on the other
astral haven
you are thinking of the peltier
crisp granite
the scorching side cooled by a 360mm AIO
astral haven
there was a commercial adaptation of it
and it was only capable of cooling around 150w
the custom loop version was only barely capable of 200w
astral haven
and at 200w it was worse than just the aio on its own
it wasnt 500w
peltier power == cooled amount
so it was 150w of power for 150w of cooling
and 200w for 200w of cooling
crisp granite
ashen spindle
one bit I ain't hype about
maybe not this but definitely the gen after it we will have vr lenses that you can adjust for that, so its just a temporary issue
crisp granite
LTT vid ftw
astral haven
that was not a commercial product
crisp granite
eh, there was another made later on that was
admittedly a lot less...
balls to the wall
stark bobcat
how is any of that a good idea ever
astral haven
the actual commercial version was actually very good
stark bobcat
I guess maybe you could spread it over a larger surface area
astral haven
you could consistently get (nearly) exactly ambient temps in all but the most of demanding loads
crisp granite
you could consistently get (nearly) exactly ambient temps in all but the most of...
so it would be able to handle anything consumer level
I guess my Raw S1 build won't exactly be...portable anymore
but I guess some zip ties would do it
stark bobcat
also doesn't that stuff have issues with condensation or smth
astral haven
so it would be able to handle anything consumer level
yes but it only supported lga1200
crisp granite
yes but it only supported lga1200
can get a compatible bracket machined, no?
stark bobcat
I don't remember I generally don't concern myself with stuff that is not relevant to me whatsoever
crisp granite
or 3d printed for extra sketch factor
astral haven
the cooler doesnt run without software reading out cpu temps
it needs to know humidity, cpu, and ambient temp
astral haven
yep
stark bobcat
forward thinking design
astral haven
dont think they added 1700 support
stark bobcat
astral haven
it doesnt have enough cooling for the 12900k or 13900k
it also wasnt very good
cause again it used 10-200w
it literally exactly doubles your power usage + inefficiency
shadow minnow
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWrqyQWfhrs
This was just bad design
shadow minnow
They should have just put less wattage through it
pale sigil
if it ain't a fire hazard, it ain't fun
Aint that just engineering 101
cursive summit
astral haven
Ew
wheat plume
Steam Deck is now 1/4 of Linux users on Steam!
ashen spindle
that is a great example to show how tiny the userbase is vs non linux lol
wheat plume
MacOS is at 2.3% marketshare
Linux at 1.44%
ashen spindle
yeah that is tiny vs 95% windows then lol
cursive summit
that is a great example to show how tiny the userbase is vs non linux lol
I was about to say, a fairly niche handheld is already at 25% of marketshare?
That is really tiny
crisp granite
Steam Deck is now 1/4 of Linux users on Steam!
not much of an award
cursive summit
Iirc Steam had 40 million concurrent active users recently
astral haven
Am is between 120 and 130 million
cursive summit
Check out steamdb for info and do the maths
wheat plume
Iirc Steam had 40 million concurrent active users recently
Gosh damn :O
I know there is 1 billion accounts ahah
cursive summit
Am I the only one who thinks 40 million concurrent for the world's largest game marketplace is... fairly small?
astral haven
the number you multiply the percentages by is 130 million
thats the number of people who could have received the survey
that suggests half a million steam deck users
and 2 million linux users
ashen spindle
yeah we had like 200k steam decks in september
I remember because that was when one of the youtubers lana posts couldn't do math and thought it was 2 million
crisp granite
2.5 million Linux gamers
a drop in the bucket
I think mac gaming takes up a larger steam share
crisp granite
meager sphinx
is it possible to get gamepad movement in mw2?
latent mural
Yes
latent mural
Wait you're on win11?
meager sphinx
How do I go about doing that? I tried unbinding W, A, S, D
latent mural
you need to bind them to the controller inputs
wheat plume
Wait you're on win11?
I'm watching a video of the new insider build
latent mural
I'm watching a video of the new insider build
Ohh
meager sphinx
Ooh yeah of course haha
latent mural
I wanna try win11 but I'm scared I won't like it
latent mural
wtf lol
wheat plume
Oh... That's a good change they added
If you hide the search bar entirely
The start menu no longer opens it when you start typing
You search within the already opened start menu window
astral haven
yea 10 and 11 are nearly identical that way
wheat plume
In 11, the start menu opens the search window when you start to type
Making it likely to miss one or two letters if you can type fast
ashen spindle
so it is doing it just like win10 now
astral haven
as far as i can tell it buffers the inputs so even if it takes a while to open the characters still go in?
ashen spindle
idk havent used 11 yet but I never had that issue on 10
crimson wigeon
How fast are you typing that it misses keypresses 
astral haven
lag happens if you have a slow pc
ashen spindle
I mean I wouldn't doubt them breaking it in the win11 version till now
astral haven
ive seen it on some old hdd installs
astral haven
win +x + i
wheat plume
What
crimson wigeon
Probably
astral haven
hold win, tap x, then let go of win and tap i
ashen spindle
win x is context menu for and i selects the terminal
wheat plume
Ooohhh
astral haven
ye
wheat plume
Thanks for explaining
I'm using autohotkey to make terminal open using win + enter
Cause I have that binding in Linux too
It's the default terminal binding in i3wm xd and I stuck with it ever since
The taskbar shrinks on tablet mode
Interesting
Before it used to just disappear
hardy hemlock
i ordered my wooting today i got 2 day expidted will get here in 2 days or does it get here in feburdary like it says
crimson wigeon
February
crisp granite
disgusting crosspost
crisp granite
warehouse to consumer
hardy hemlock
ik but then why does it say expcted febuary
crimson wigeon
Use your brain
crisp granite
it
is
a
preorder
it hasn't been made yet
it will need to be made, shipped from china to the warehouse, a process over a month long, could be two
and then
2 day expedited shipping from warehouse to you
hardy hemlock
alr thanks
latent mural
does a oc edition gpu have the oc on automatically or do you have to turn it on with software
vagrant pagoda
does a oc edition gpu have the oc on automatically or do you have to turn it on ...
its in the bios
pale sigil
It can do
latent mural
nah, there isnt anything abt my gpu in there
vagrant pagoda
nah, there isnt anything abt my gpu in there
no its in the gpus bios
its automatic
unless it has a bios switch
read the manual
latent mural
oh
vagrant pagoda
It can do
what ipad?
they are thye m2 ones are only 6k
M1/M2 can only do Pro Display XDR max
which is 6k60hz
latent mural
should i use precision boost overdrive?
true quest
pale sigil
local host?
empty wren
Wow they actually are gonna test it properly ๐ค
pale sigil
@true questsource
empty wren
Inb4 he used sourcetool
empty wren
Ah
pale sigil
empty wren
Weird that is says localhost though
empty wren
Ah I see
vagrant pagoda
dont update bios unless you ahve a problem
vagrant pagoda
if it fails youre screwed
latent mural
doesnt it have a backup
reef patrol
Chrome updated... again... and I hate everything about it ๐
You can now pin tabs - Which is great! Except it shrinks them to an icon without their tab text. No option to change this.,
Popups IN the url address bar, can't disable that either.
reef patrol
If you say so - It was featured as a feature in the popup page I just received ๐
wheat plume
wheat plume
Fucking hell
Apple make over 50% profit on each iPhone sale
Honest Apple store employee??!!
ashen spindle
they have 50% BOM margin maybe but definitely not 50% profit lmfao
cursive summit
So, Nothing is trying to shit on Apple?
Now we need Apple to shit on nothing
Cause their phones are literally nothing
wheat plume
Nothing actually didn't shit on them
He said the cameras and speed are superior
Which makes sense
Flagship vs Mid range
He used the iPhone for a week
Granted, as his secondary
He likes it other than the price it seems
cursive summit
That's apple for you
Phenomenal cameras and performance
Supposedly good OS which I personally don't like that much
Just the price
The price is insanely inflated, like 2x over what it should be
cursive summit
Yeah I guess all of those bleeding edge components and massive R&D expenditures do mean that you have to hike up the price quite a bit to make even a moderate profit
ashen spindle
I mean no you can't operate anything of a decent size on 0% margin
cursive summit
I just can't at all look at the 1.4k euro price point for the.. pro model? And be pushed to buy one
It's just kind of insanity
ashen spindle
well euro crashing doesnt change costs elsewhere
cursive summit
Euro has somewhat recovered now
fickle ore
Nice 2022/11 cumulative update for w11
*It addresses an issue that affects the performance of some games and applications. This issue is related to GPU performance debugging features.
fickle ore
Yeah it wasnt supposed to be on lol
cursive summit
Maybe I just don't understand how this works but
The problem cause has been known for a while
Why not just.. hotfix it?
Flash patch?
fickle ore
I just can't at all look at the 1.4k euro price point for the.. pro model? And b...
Dude I just bought a 120โฌ Poco, u dont need higher cost phone !
wheat plume
Poco phones are great
Assuming you buy one with more than one Android version upgrade
And with how spontaneous Xiaomi can be ... It's hard to know what phones will get more than one update
cursive summit
Poco, imo, has fallen off
F3 and X3 pocos were insane value
F4 has completely lost its value proposition
And X4 and M4 are, I would say, pretty bad
Oh wait the prices normalized
I retract my statement about F4
Last I checked the F4 was like 700 euros
Now it's down to msrp
fickle ore
And X4 and M4 are, I would say, pretty bad
Meh, the M4 pro does everything I want it to do at 120โฌ which makes it super great.
cursive summit
I suppose?
But the X3 Pro was such an amazing package and they downgraded from that
wheat plume
This is the first time I've ever used the window specific window rules feature on Plasma desktop
I want YouTube to open at a specific size
shadow minnow
OpenAI 3 is crazy
chrome estuary
I want YouTube to open at a specific size
but why
wheat plume
cause it opens like a Chrome window when you launch it for the first time
and it sucks
it opens this size by default
chrome estuary
saw this a few days ago
makes me occasionally want to go back to linux
it's just a knock off macos but it's still nice
latent mural
why do all Linux users have potatoes
chrome estuary
because linux runs well on potatoes
latent mural
because linux runs well on potatoes
Yeah, but so does probably windows
ashen spindle
because cant game on linux so why bother with more power
chrome estuary
hahahah
wheat plume
why do all Linux users have potatoes
I nu haz potato
it plays the games I like really well
chrome estuary
that's bottom talk for they have a potato but doesn't want to admit it
latent mural
LOL
wheat plume
the most demanding game I play is Cyberpunk and Minecraft with extrreme shaders xd
Cyberpunk runs fine at medium for me
chrome estuary
ryzen 5 5600, 32gb DDR4-3000, all SSDs with only one being sata, 3070ti.
latent mural
I'm kinda sad about not liking Minecraft anymore
shadow minnow
โฆ
latent mural
I wanted to become a Minecraft YouTuber when I get a pc, but Minecraft is just so painful to play
chrome estuary
i'm seriously looking into getting an m2 mac mini when they come out if the fucking thing can run more than two displays without a bunch of BS needed with getting specific DisplayPort Plug and Play or whatever it's called.
I want to run a Mac Mini as my daily and turn my desktop on only when gaming by using a KVM switch for the displays, keyboard, and mouse.
chrome estuary
i'm seriously looking into getting an m2 mac mini when they come out if the fuck...
if the mac mini can't do it, i might buy a used/refurb mac studio with the m1 max chip