🔌│tech

[misty saffron]

i will not explain my jokes

[sharp badger]

Nice will probably be a great upgrade! 😀 👍

[wheat plume]

TIL a computer will display a warning on bootup if you don't have a keyboard connected

Must be the UEFI doing that
It happened before the OS started loading

[vagrant pagoda]

yeah thats nromal

they used to not boot without keyboard with ps2

[wheat plume]

O.o oh

[sharp badger]

I've got a 50 inch Samsung 4K smart TV from 2014 so will probably also be quite an upgrade when that day comes 😅

[wheat plume]

I got a 32 inch plasma tv from like 2009 or somewhere close

The bezels are like 5 inches in width
And the screen is indented into the body

It's not good

[sharp badger]

So you will too have quite an upgrade once you choose to buy a new one 😄 👍

[wheat plume]

The only one using the TV now is mom

So getting a new one isn't likely anytime soon

Despite the speakers crackling constantly

[sharp badger]

Ok 😅 👍

Well yeah it's rarely used here too but i've got friends coming over to play JackBox tonight so it's usually for something like that or Movies 😀

[wheat plume]

ah, jackbox is a cursed masterpiece xd

but so fucking expensive for all the packs ;-;

That extra inch makes a world of difference

https://youtu.be/SHPobfIBzl4

[sharp badger]

Yeah i bought all packs during Summer sales or Winter sales so got better deals on them 😀

[wheat plume]

ah neat!

[vagrant pagoda]

thats what she said

[wheat plume]

im glad handhelds are using AMD instead, it makes a lot mre sense

[vagrant pagoda]

8 inch is too big imo

you need a backpack for that

[ashen spindle]

instead of what?

[vagrant pagoda]

intel

[wheat plume]

^

[frozen ingot]

well does intel have a suitable architecture for the job

[wheat plume]

theyve tried to

but failed due to drivers

[vagrant pagoda]

my odin is 6 inchs which is perfect, you can reach the entire screen with thumbs

[vagrant pagoda]

yes

[wheat plume]

UwU

[vagrant pagoda]

only in the last generation or 2 has amd been really competitive in low power

6xxxx doubled the gpu power though

[ashen spindle]

yeah driver failures wasnt really the reason for why intel isnt as prevalent, amd probably just was more open to make smi custom designs for that market

[vagrant pagoda]

no intel hasnt kept up thats all

intel was king in umpc up till 3 years ago

[ashen spindle]

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-ryzen-7000-gets-a-massive-price-cut-in-europe-7950x-now-for-just-669-eur

hah get rekt usa, we get pitty prices

[crimson wigeon]

Hope they do similar things for the GPUs copium

[ashen spindle]

???

no

euro prices are listed with VAT

[reef patrol]

German VAT anyway

[ashen spindle]

ok, any places that uses euro that I know of, fair

maybe some few dont

[cursive summit]

Already?

They just launched them

Well I guess their position of dominance is in a bit of peril with Raptor lake

[ashen spindle]

we are not america, idk man but maybe you could just trust when a person who lives in a country tells you how it works in this country lol

[cursive summit]

I like the low end price cuts

However I can't say I see why their top end stuff is getting price cuts

Isn't their top end stuff the most attractive?

And also the most purchased

849 EUR is a bit much so I guess 749 would be acceptable, but 669 EUR is wtf

[crimson wigeon]

Clearly it's to get rid of stock to prepare for X4D ecks dee

[cursive summit]

The quantum cache eh?

[ashen spindle]

amd is probably just eating the cost that euro prices got from euro tanking since they have a much higher margin due to chiplet being cheap

[cursive summit]

7600X actually being 300 EUR rather than inflated pricing is actually good

[ashen spindle]

since old intel parts also still compete at prices before adjustment

[cursive summit]

Quin, do we know AMD's margins on Radeon stuff?

[ashen spindle]

and its not really inflation that caused this

[cursive summit]

Oh no no no

I didn't mean inflated as in inflation

Just.. expanded

[ashen spindle]

just to clarify yea

and yes https://www.semianalysis.com/p/ada-lovelace-gpus-shows-how-desperate

yes but the article shows prices from a certain country not from an "eu store"

unless you try to imply I have not been paying tax for decades

[cursive summit]

Oh hell yeah

Price cuts!

[gusty kiln]

How are the motherboard prices?

[cursive summit]

Not great

183€ for ASRock B650

[ashen spindle]

literally cheaper than US prices...

[cursive summit]

Man these things lack I/O

Just looks empty

[gusty kiln]

Stingy with usb ports

At least it has 2.5 gbe

[cursive summit]

7 USB ports, 1 USB-C

So it does sound like a lot

[stark bobcat]

americans like to pretend there are no taxes ic

[cursive summit]

I mean

It's still not amazing

But it's getting somewhere in terms of pricing

670 without GPU

[thick elk]

has one more usb port than my current board, one less ethernet port and lacks the ps2 port

[cursive summit]

DOUBLE THE USB PORTS

[thick elk]

I would not care, I have 3 usb-hubs in use anyway and most things I plug in really don't require the bandwidth

Also most devices would not reach the back of the case anyway

PS/2 port I would miss though

[gusty kiln]

Trying to price out a new build?

[cursive summit]

Just checking the cheapest prices on the important stuff

Now that Zen 4 entry cost is getting smaller

I don't mind 670 euro entry cost with motherboard + CPU + RAM I guess, but it can definitely fall

7600X in an ideal scenario will be 250 and motherboards will drop down to 120 or so

Any less than that you are talking mid to late pricing in a generation

[gusty kiln]

Damn so b650 starts at 180

[cursive summit]

Yeah that's a bit sad

[gusty kiln]

What about b650E

Like 250?

[cursive summit]

ASROCK B650E PG RIPTIDE WIFI ATX MB AM5 4xDIMM DDR5

246.33 €

Cheapest

Imo we need A620 and soon

Hopefully CES

[gusty kiln]

But how much of a downgrade is a620

Have they posted the specs

[cursive summit]

Imo, not that much

But Quintosh has his views

And no I don't think it has even been mentioned yet by AMD

[ashen spindle]

idk how you can say not that much when we literally dont have the board specs yet

[cursive summit]

Let alone confirmed

Well basing on previous few A series boards

They weren't bad

I think most of these handicaps will definitely be offset by faster connectivity in general and, hopefully, make A620 quite good

Like, you don't need PCIe 4 that much, let alone PCIe5 that AM5 can do

[ashen spindle]

reminder that memory XMP is overclocking

[cursive summit]

So if A620 gets PCIe 4 only, it'll be good enough for nearly everything

[gusty kiln]

What's the default memory speed for ddr5?

[cursive summit]

I guess lanes is important, but those can be anything on A620, ports is important yet the A620 Aorus Elite gets 8 USB

Imo A series boards are slept upon

[cursive summit]

I found a pretty shady sentence that says 3200 MHz

But I don't think it's reliable

"4800 is the only JEDEC speed for DDR5 RAM currently available. All DDR5 will run at 4800 at by default, and require being overclocked to their advertised speed if its faster than that. You just have to enable the XMP profile to automatically overclock it."

[ashen spindle]

yes 4800

[cursive summit]

4800 sounds good enough for me?

[gusty kiln]

Id only use a series board for htpc or a nas build

[cursive summit]

I think it'd be good enough for casual use or gaming to be fair

[ashen spindle]

6000 is the sweetspot you want to have ideally

for zen4

[cursive summit]

Zen still hungry for memory speeds?

[ashen spindle]

every cpu is still hungry

[gusty kiln]

What's considered good primarily timing for 6000?

[ashen spindle]

sometimes it wont matter

sometime it will

[cursive summit]

x3d parts are cute

I wonder how much will next x3d parts render the non-vcache parts useless

[ashen spindle]

did not exist

[cursive summit]

We don't talk about useless heaters from shintel

[ashen spindle]

also if it was out its not relevant

its memory scaling of zen4, you can look at a comparison to compare it to something else

[cursive summit]

Faaam

Quintosh what are the chances you will send me one?

I don't germany

[ashen spindle]

no

[cursive summit]

Somehow 3080 costs more

Not even a competition between those 2

AMD playing the price game is making Nvidia a woefully unattractive purchase

[ashen spindle]

might just be the retailers and not nvidia

[cursive summit]

Retailers don't want to drop prices?

How come AMD can tell retailers to drop prices and they do

Don't they buy the merchandise off of AMD?

Or do they act as middlemen and distributors in AMD's stead

[ashen spindle]

who says amd told them to drop prices

[cursive summit]

Um

Ryzen 7000 getting price dropped just today?

[ashen spindle]

talking about the gpus here not the zen4 parts

these are older parts, if costs are lower they can profit on lower prices still

nvidia could be lowering prices and retailers dont if it still sells

[cursive summit]

That's why I'm wondering, do retailers get lent the products by AMD/Nvidia and they sell the stuff then split the profits

Or do they purchase from AMD and then resell

[ashen spindle]

ofc they have to buy them lol

[cursive summit]

Cause I know for a fact smaller retailers just copy the price off of distributor warehouses, they don't have stock themselves

However for warehouses themselves, I am wondering how that works

If they purchase the merchandise, how can AMD just tell them that "we dropped the price by 60 euros just now, adjust your prices"

They don't have to cause they already bought them for much more, they'd be running loss yet they still do?

[ashen spindle]

they give them money

[cursive summit]

AMD just reimburses them for the difference?

I guess that's one way of doing it..

[cursive summit]

Lol wtf is this optimization

Companies should fuck off and optimize games equally for all GPUs, be it AMD or Intel

[reef patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-krabs-hello-i-like-money-money-mic-gif-17224951

[ashen spindle]

have you uhm, considered it might be optimized just that one gpu literally has different things than the other?

[cursive summit]

In no world will the 6800XT be slower than 3070

Reeks of bad optimization

[reef patrol]

With the amount of money both brands are putting into marketing and "we helped optimize game" marketing. No of course not 😄

[ashen spindle]

its a console port so the original optimization was for amd

hell maybe nvidias performance was quite worse and someone happend to see an easy optimization for ampera but the same doesnt work for amd

[cursive summit]

Reminds me of that time when AMD CPUs were completely gimped in Cyberpunk

Then someone find out you can go to the game files and modify the executable or something

Cause it was using Intel-only code

Suddenly AMD was doing just as well as Intel stuff

[ashen spindle]

the issue that was caused by them having code that didnt not correctly see what cpu it was

had nothing to do with intel only code

wasnt even all amd cpus only the lower core counts variants

[frozen ingot]

companies optimize for the most common system configurations

[crimson wigeon]

Doesn't that game have RTX ON

[ashen spindle]

oh yeah those results could have some RT settings on

[frozen ingot]

if you play at 1080p on a 4090 you should be whipped on the town square

[ashen spindle]

that comment makes no sense

are you not allowed to buy a 4090 if you play 1080p because you prefer refresh rate over resolution?

[frozen ingot]

no

its dumb

and I don't like you

why not just go 720p, or 480p then

because muh frames

[ashen spindle]

dumb argument, the monitor is 1080p so if you can hit your 500hz why lower the resolution

[frozen ingot]

why would you even need a 4090 if all you care about is good frames at 1080p

[ashen spindle]

because not every game is rainbow 6 that hits 800fps

[frozen ingot]

a 2080 super could achieve good frames in most games at low settings

at that resolution

[crimson wigeon]

But what if you want graphics and framerate

[frozen ingot]

yes, this is kind of why you'd want a better graphics card, maintaining frames at higher settings and resolutions

[ashen spindle]

so what if I am playing games that are gpu bottlenecked at 1080p

the way to get more fps is to have a better gpu

[frozen ingot]

but if all you want is maxxximum frames you're just going to turn the settings down regardless

[ashen spindle]

what if I say 1080p is the lowest I'm willing to go

and then want more frames

what if I want to hit high framerates in some games and downsample if I have extra power in others

[frozen ingot]

what if you just want to argue for the sake of arguing

go buy your 4090 and play at 1080p

I'm still going to think you're a dork

[ashen spindle]

what if I just dont like to not comment on silly statements ¯_(ツ)_/¯

literally your last post in general was let people enjoy things here you basically said the opposite

[frozen ingot]

which was followed up by a joke

[cursive summit]

You are a joke

[frozen ingot]

there's s thing in life called sense of humor

I can google it for you

[cursive summit]

YO

WHAT'S HUMOUR?

[ashen spindle]

yes I am well aware you dont literally advocate for people being beaten up over it, still implies that it is something bad/pointless/whatever

[frozen ingot]

imo it is yeah

spending some $2500 just for a gpu to play at 1080p is kind of missing the point of such a gpu, to me

[ashen spindle]

so what if I want to play at 240hz and at 1440p it wont reach taht

but at 1080p it does and I prefer that over higher resolution

with a 4090 and no other gpu

does mean I am using the only gpu I can for what I want

now I personally wouldn't do it, doesn't mean it's pointless for everyone if someone just prefers higher framerate

[frozen ingot]

playing at lower res than your panel is natively

gross

[ashen spindle]

huh

how did we get to that

[frozen ingot]

you wont reach your desired frames at 1440p, so you play at 1080p, which implies you already got a 1440p panel

[ashen spindle]

or I look at the result before I try it

or if I mostly play esports games at 500fps on my 500hz 1080p screen, why not also have a gpu so I can get the best from any other game that wont reach that

or if we stay with the spiderman example, cpu limited for now at 100fps but still scales up to a 3090ti

so implies with a better cpu you get more fps and might be able to reach 144 consistent on it and not with a worse gpu

[cursive summit]

https://www.scan.co.uk/products/audeze-lcd-x-creator-pack-2021-with-carry-case-leather-and-rme-adi-2-dac-fs-headphone-amplifier

Yooo

@pale sigilsend me this PLEASE

[pale sigil]

can do

[stark bobcat]

yo guys send me a million euros please

[crisp granite]

ok

I'll need more than a lifetime to

but once I have em, all yours

[stark bobcat]

[pale sigil]

@cursive summit do you have any info on how warranties from drop work for eu

[cursive summit]

They probably don't

https://drop.com/buy/drop-epos-pc38x-yellow-gaming-headset/talk/2712720

[reef patrol]

Typically for a US company to do warranty, you're on the hook for shipping even if they replace it.

[cursive summit]

Yeah basically you pay for shipping

But they do give you warranty

[pale sigil]

i mean for a 200 quid item

i will suck up the post cost

if it breaks

[cursive summit]

Man, why tf did Drop close the European warehouse

They used to operate in EU

[reef patrol]

Yeah... I had such high hopes for that when they announced it.

[pale sigil]

because it cost users significally than just importing for users

it was fucked

[reef patrol]

I literally was sent an Ergodox as part of the promotion.

[reef patrol]

Well no. Not as soon as you reach scale.
It's not like Wooting's losing money from having a US and a EU warehouse compared to shipping everything from the EU.

[pale sigil]

No i mean they were charging users more in EU to buy in EU vs buying and importing themselves.

so there was no incentive

[reef patrol]

Ah. Well yeah that's a shitty business model to be sure 😄

[pale sigil]

Anyway im going to get these headphones

its been a thing ive always wanted

and its probably easy to resell if i dont

[cursive summit]

6XX import costs aren't actually high

I'd be paying like 40-50 euros with shipping

[pale sigil]

correct, especially atm

[cursive summit]

Which is respectable

250 euros for sennies is alright

[pale sigil]

Whats the difference between 58x

because i remember there being quite s difference

[cursive summit]

It's shit

There's that

[pale sigil]

Also where is the estimated date

for delivery

Nov 23

[cursive summit]

This isn't wooting

[pale sigil]

i mean tbf if it was i would have it now since im not a normie

[cursive summit]

Wait it's even cheaper?

189?

How'd you get a discount

[pale sigil]

199 with black friday but 189 with new account

[cursive summit]

Hmm

[gusty kiln]

Nice, I wonder if it still comes with the nice box

[fickle ore]

uff, which?

[sharp badger]

Both are good

https://nascompares.com/guide/samsung-980-pro-versus-wd-black-sn805x-ssd-comparison/

[sharp badger]

They've got info about all the versions^

But the SN850X has a Heatsink installed already feels like it's more aimed at PS5s or something, motherboards ''usually'' have heatsinks on them

[junior jewel]

any good laptops for Black Friday? Kinda lost on whats a good gaming laptop

[reef patrol]

Depends on what you expect from it. A 1650 based one will do eSports comfortably but not AAA games without some heavy graphics lowering.

[junior jewel]

i was looking at the acer predator helios 300 2022

but im worried about overheating and stuff

[reef patrol]

It's a gaming laptop. It's going to get hot and loud. Kind of comes with the territory.

[junior jewel]

im not gonna be putting much load on it just like games like osu

so it wouldn’t get that bad would it?

[reef patrol]

OSU could run on a tablet. So no worries there.

[junior jewel]

okay good also just getting it for work and stuff

its on sale for like 999 right now for black friday so probably just gonna get it here soon

[latent mural]

Should I get the 970 Evo plus

Or 980

Which is better

[cursive summit]

Price drop in 3... 2... 1...

Won't happen innit

Huang needs some humbling, the bumbling bastard

AHAHA

These are my local prices

I wonder how many were sold

Lol the prebuilts suck ass as well

"Configure your own" prebuilt does not even have DDR5

[ashen spindle]

Or it’s smart and only gives you ddr5 if you select a board that has ddr5 support?

[cursive summit]

Nope

No DDR5

Selecting Z790 doesn't add the option to pick DDR5

[ashen spindle]

Z790 ddr4 boards exist…

[cursive summit]

I guess that'll be the answer then

Seems useless honestly, these RTX 4000 cards

[wheat plume]

I love how Arch installs default to using pipewire audio now

If you use the archinstall script anyway
Gives you a choice

[fair gull]

even lidl isnt safe

[empty wren]

Go finish the setup >:)

[crisp granite]

hm
dumb question
any really stupidly oversized high end GPUs this gen?
over 3 slots and 320mm length?

[ashen spindle]

from what I've seen most 4080s use 4090 coolers so yeah

and those are sometimes like 3.75 slot

[waxen hatch]

give me keybord

[crisp granite]

no

[crisp granite]

are the AMD cards better as far as being smaller, at least?

genuinely 3 slots

not a metre long

[waxen hatch]

Everyone should get over the size

And care more about having affordable options

Nasty trend in price these last generations

[reef patrol]

I personally can't even fit the big cards. So... no. I am not getting over it 😛

[crisp granite]

eh

I'm an SFF guy

size actually matters

:P

[waxen hatch]

Get a case that will do u for ever

Why sff

[crisp granite]

because I prefer a portable system

[reef patrol]

Uhh... It's a large ATX case. GPUs are more than one dimension.

[crisp granite]

^^

cards are getting too large for NORMAL ATX cases

[waxen hatch]

Vertical riser tho

[reef patrol]

Expensive af, length stil an issue.

[ashen spindle]

2 slot so far but not all aibs are showing what they ahve yet

[waxen hatch]

I can fit anything in my p3

So idk

[crisp granite]

and that usually limits it further because you get less clearance between the panel than you would otherwise with a normal mount

[waxen hatch]

Not an issue for me I guess

[crisp granite]

poggies

might fit in the Raw S1 assuming length isn't terrible

[waxen hatch]

between the panel?

Side panel?

[crisp granite]

the TG panel

the stupid thing everyone insists on

[waxen hatch]

TG?

[crisp granite]

most cases I've seen give 2 slots to vertical mounting

[waxen hatch]

Am I out of date or something, what is a TG

[crisp granite]

Tempered Glass

[waxen hatch]

thermaltake p3

[ashen spindle]

ah my bad was 2.5

[crisp granite]

I'm gonna rant about the stupid partial slots thing

but size is fucking reasonable

assuming that cooler can keep things reasonably cooled...shit

[waxen hatch]

My TT P3 could fit these cards

But my wallet can’t

Or won’t rather

3090 good enough anyways

Just get 3090 :-)

[crisp granite]

no

lol

[waxen hatch]

:-(

[crisp granite]

I got a 3070
and it's fine for 1080p

[waxen hatch]

cheap cheap tho

[crisp granite]

also a 3090ti would cost me almost my entire build's value

entire build's value including depreciation

because the r5 3600 is kinda...

idk
still solid but it ain't worth what I bought it for 2 years ago

[waxen hatch]

I couldn’t get ti

3090 was 700ish

Ti still close to 1k

[crisp granite]

there's also that I game at 1080p

the 3070 is already overkill

[waxen hatch]

I do too but only cuz the other monitor I bought busted

Returned it but haven’t replaced yet

I get 700 fps in my games

lol

5800x3d and 3090

[crisp granite]

I just haven't seen the appeal in 1440p when I can spend half as much on a comparable 1080p panel

[waxen hatch]

Liquid cooled

[crisp granite]

especially when I get 100 fps in all my favourite games with near maxed settings

like metro exodus

[waxen hatch]

1080 is acceptable for comp games I play

180hx

Hz

But I want more now that my pc can power it

[crisp granite]

I don't play comp games :P

[waxen hatch]

I could get 4K and meet my fps still

[crisp granite]

I have a life

[waxen hatch]

Well

I have a career and a single hobby

And that’s playing competitively

[crisp granite]

👍

you go girl

do you

[waxen hatch]

No girls rn

That’s why I still can :-)

Anyhow back to size

What’s the biggest u can fit

I’ve seen a sff with a 3090

[crisp granite]

3 slots

320mm in length

so...basically any actual 3 slot card

[waxen hatch]

Got a budget? Are you looking to replace the 3070?

Also US or elsewhere ?

[crisp granite]

in like...3 years

[crisp granite]

microcentre ain't an option

[waxen hatch]

Considering your spelling, you’re eu

?

[crisp granite]

will be soon

but rn, no

[waxen hatch]

ic

in 3 years

cards will either be as performant as current gen but more compact/efficient

or even more extreme than now

[crisp granite]

I just wanted to know that cards aren't getting massive

that's it

[waxen hatch]

they'll improve what they can

[crisp granite]

mhm
and I still have plenty of play

[waxen hatch]

in 3 years the entire consumer market could shift towards jumbo components

[crisp granite]

kinda doubt tbh

[waxen hatch]

like if that's what it takes to continue gaining performance

then so be it

there's only so much smaller they can keep making these core components and stuffing in more and more into similar sizes

[pale sigil]

For people like doge for sure, he likes jumbo components.

[waxen hatch]

we'll hit a limit at some point

[pale sigil]

[waxen hatch]

things cannot stay the same yet improve forever

not saying I know which way it'll go but 3 years is a long time

[crisp granite]

no poop
but it ain't happening within 2 gens

[waxen hatch]

I mean

[crisp granite]

at least not to the extent that would present a problem to me

[waxen hatch]

seems like it's already happened in 1 gen

and presents a problem to you

mr SFF

[crisp granite]

I ain't opting for a xx90

:P

[waxen hatch]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[crisp granite]

I'd always opt for a mid-high end

[waxen hatch]

2 more gens will tell you for certain

[crisp granite]

as long as cards aren't getting MASSIVE

it'll be fine

[waxen hatch]

I went from a gtx 780 to a gtx 1660 super to an rtx 3090

ready for the 5090

[pale sigil]

i went from a r9 270x to GTX 970 to GTX 1070 to GTX 1070TI to RTX 3080

oops

[latent mural]

I went from a laptop with a i3 core to 4090 and I forgot which CPU but it's a pretty good one

4090 and the 5950x

[waxen hatch]

LAPTOP

[latent mural]

The laptop was like 70$ lol

[waxen hatch]

desktop now?

[latent mural]

Yeah

[waxen hatch]

are there even mobile 4090 yet

very nice my man

juicer build

you better keep it clean and sexy u dirty dog

[latent mural]

lul

Lmfaoo

I am trust

[waxen hatch]

I'm only kidding

I have not cleaned my PC a single time since I built it

looks as good as the day I put it together

[latent mural]

Wtf

Cap

[waxen hatch]

it's very not prone to dust

[latent mural]

80c idle

[waxen hatch]

30c idle

[latent mural]

lol mine is like 25c because of the weather

[waxen hatch]

hangin on the wall

[latent mural]

Wtf lol

[waxen hatch]

the glass panel isnt on rn but whatever

cba

[latent mural]

Maximum airflow

[waxen hatch]

well

even with glass on

its 4 exposed sides

and liquid cooled CPU, temps are not even close to an issue

I could OC if i wanted but lazy

[latent mural]

Same

[waxen hatch]

only OC for other people

also my GPU took more cables than I had matching cablemod for

so the cables are not uniform

Very sad

[latent mural]

Skill diff

[waxen hatch]

free cablemod diff

[latent mural]

Should I buy a 970 Evo plus or a 980

tho

Both cost pretty much the same so which is better

[waxen hatch]

980 PRO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[crisp granite]

skip both
buy double the capacity in a PCI-E gen 3 for less

[waxen hatch]

just google benchmarks

gen 3

[latent mural]

nO

[crisp granite]

not like games can take advantage of the better storage speeds rn

[waxen hatch]

he's got a brand new system

get the juicer 980 pro

[latent mural]

I don't think we have a 980 pro here

[waxen hatch]

bro where is here

loc?

[crisp granite]

inb4 brazil

[waxen hatch]

brazil has amazon

[latent mural]

Estonia lol

[waxen hatch]

times two

estonia ok..

[latent mural]

Lmfaoo

[crisp granite]

mega f

[reef patrol]

Not for long.

[waxen hatch]

[reef patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/forestfire-burningdownforest-burning-forest-trollingforestbyburningit-gif-22180250

[crisp granite]

go eat some sült with sinep or some shit

add some penis

[misty saffron]

estonia has amazon in 50 years if you're lucky

[latent mural]

Stfu lmfaoo

[crisp granite]

hehe penis on the sült

...wtf is wrong with me

[misty saffron]

so you've just realized something is

[latent mural]

970 Evo pro or 980

[waxen hatch]

OK so

[latent mural]

Choose one

[waxen hatch]

Whats your budget?

you can get 980 pro on amazon

$53 shipping

$173 product

• tax

[latent mural]

173???

[waxen hatch]

prob $240 for 2TB 980 PRO

[latent mural]

AINT NO WAYY

[waxen hatch]

Yes

[latent mural]

like 120$ max

[waxen hatch]

bro u have 4090 5950x?

estonia markup

take it or leave it

[latent mural]

The 970 and 980 are both under that lol

[crisp granite]

perhaps...

[waxen hatch]

2TB 980 PRO are not $120

even in US or somewhere else

[latent mural]

I'm gonna go broke bro 😭

[latent mural]

Not the 980 pro

[waxen hatch]

2TB is kingly

why not pro

you are PRO gamer

[latent mural]

I already have a diff SSD too

[latent mural]

I already have a gpro superlight lol

Now I am a g and a pro

[waxen hatch]

I also have gpro superlight

and I am superlight

[shadow minnow]

I remember when I had to pay 400 for 2tb pcie 4

[waxen hatch]

130lb demon

[shadow minnow]

But well it was pre release

[waxen hatch]

yea prices now are not bad

[latent mural]

Just please tell me 970 Evo pro or 980

2 options pick one

[waxen hatch]

970 evo plus ?

or pro

[latent mural]

Lemme check

Evo plus

[waxen hatch]

regular 980 > evo plus

well

[latent mural]

Are you sure?

[waxen hatch]

not across the board

I'm looking at benchmarks on arstechnica

[latent mural]

What are the differences

[crisp granite]

me when people accuse me of being top g
(objectifying and beating females)

[waxen hatch]

it performs better in everything except sequential read

they're fairly close and so I'd shop off price

[latent mural]

no

[waxen hatch]

make sure you're buying heatsinks for your nvmes by the way, if they're not already part of your Mobo

[latent mural]

Alright so you're 100% sure

[waxen hatch]

most mobos only include one

Yea dude just look up benchmarks

this all public info

[wheat plume]

I have the EFI Shell show up everytime I boot up my laptop and idk how to make that stop showing up
I have to press esc and type exit and then it takes me to GRUB menu

[latent mural]

How do I know if it does and why should I have a heatsink for it

[waxen hatch]

The slot for it will already be covered by a metal block if it does

and because these things run hot as piss and it can affect their performance if not their lifespan overall

[latent mural]

Ok

[waxen hatch]

even a cheapo heatsink, the bare copper plate with a thermal pad and rubber bands, will do nicely

[latent mural]

Sure

[waxen hatch]

but the nicer finned ones work best, especially with solid air cooling setup

they're anywhere from like $5 for the cheapo shit to $20-30

[latent mural]

20$ ain't bad

[waxen hatch]

it's nothing crazy yeah

most motherboards come with one heatsink now

but have multiple m.2 slots

😭

[latent mural]

How is the 980 cheaper than the 970 Evo plus lol

[waxen hatch]

more recent, maybe more stock

I saw that as well

[latent mural]

Mm

Like 30$ cheaper xd

[waxen hatch]

they're very comparable tho, if you're skeptical i would look up benchmarks of the products independently rather than on a 'comparison'

so you can see how it should perform and compare the numbers yourselves

plenty of tech review sites/channels out there

[latent mural]

Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[waxen hatch]

gotta be wary of some like userbenchmark but you get to learn these things the more you look into them

[latent mural]

Sure but I might just get a new chair instead

[waxen hatch]

why new chair?

your ass cant sit in current chair?

[latent mural]

I don't have a back for it lmfao

[waxen hatch]

Makes for good posture

you cant be lazy and lean back now

:-)

[latent mural]

But then what do I do when I zone out

[waxen hatch]

sit more intently

and stop zone out

[latent mural]

I don't think that's how it works broski

[waxen hatch]

I do

[latent mural]

but I need a new chair way more than a new ssd

[waxen hatch]

take brain accelerants and sit like a dignified king

I used to play in a swivel chair with no back and no arm rests

because i removed them

and honestly it was the best chair I've ever had

[latent mural]

Cap

[waxen hatch]

no cap

but I've since moved and received a free DX racer as a gift

I use that now

it's nice cuz reclines but just make me lazy

I recommend not getting lazy boy chairr

[final flame]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olaFPhZmZu0

[wheat plume]

I really want to upgrade the Deck's SSD capacity
but im so worried about breaking thebattery connector ribbon, it seems a nightmare to pull it out of the slot

[empty wren]

Then do not break it

[wheat plume]

It's a fragile af ribbon cable

Im too nervous to do the upgrade

[stark bobcat]

just put in a bigger sd card if you need the space

[wheat plume]

Yeah
That's what I've done
But some games really hate being on such slow storage

Open world games especially

And so does A Hat In Time for some reason...
It refuses to even boot on SD card

Despite it working fine from SD card on my Switch

[empty wren]

Well just watch the teardowns many times over

And be very gentle when you do it

[wheat plume]

I know the steps
I'd probably have to get the ifixit tools first

[wheat plume]

https://youtu.be/5uDM3fPeNFM

OMFH

I'VE NEVER HEARD OF THIS BEFORE LOL

[stark bobcat]

heard of what

[wheat plume]

There is a theory that a relatively new chess player beat the champion at chess by using a vibrating butt plug to cheat

He had someone watching the game as it happened
And using a hacked remote to vibrate in a way to tell him what move to do next

[stark bobcat]

pretty much everything u just said is wrong

[wheat plume]

What

Well
It's only a rumor

[stark bobcat]

hans niemann isn't "a relatively new player"

he's a 2700

[wheat plume]

Idk what the number means

But ook

[stark bobcat]

look up elo rating then ig

[waxen hatch]

he’s more recently ascended tho

[wheat plume]

:')

[stark bobcat]

funny joke

they do not take this stuff very seriously at chess tournaments

as nepo already told the organizers of said tournament to increase security

spoilers

they did not

[chrome estuary]

dont forget that he also said, "I'll even play naked if that's what people are wanting."

[frozen ingot]

whatever makes juicy youtube clickbait is as good a stand-in for the truth as anything

[empty wren]

Are you sure about that

https://youtu.be/gNg7qIQfYFE

[cursive summit]

https://www.macrumors.com/2022/11/21/apple-use-samsung-memory-for-iphones-china/

It's funny that Apple actually relies on Samsung for many things

Samsung is pretty damn technologically advanced

[wheat plume]

other than this and the display, what els do Apple get from them?

[fair gull]

no samsung just makes quiet literally everything

from millitary tanks to fridges

[cursive summit]

They do

Although I don't remember a tank

There's a Samsung tank I can buy?

[fair gull]

samsung makes tanks and sea freighters

lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Afpey7Eldo

[cursive summit]

Doesn't look like they made much

But I like the KAI T-50

[fair gull]

the fact they made tanks is scary enough

[reef patrol]

It's Korea. If they want anything short of nukes I'm onboard. Fucking NK. 😄

[cursive summit]

NK is nothing but a harmless joke

They just need to show teeth sometimes to stay relevant

[marsh glade]

RealLifeLore just did a video on Samsung didn't they?

Oh no it was Wendover Productions

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oL0umpPPe-8

[reef patrol]

The problem is - They're not. They have enough artillery aimed right at the capital to decimate large parts of it. A metropolitan area.

They might not win a war - But an escalation would be deadly.

[cursive summit]

That much is true

A war would be fatal for everyone, be it U.S vs Russia, or U.S vs China, Korea vs NK, or whatever

The good guys would win, but there is a price to be paid

However the bad guys at least know that they won't win, so they just ensure that their notoriety and bad boyishness stays relevant

[fair gull]

arent they also nuclear armed now?

[reef patrol]

I mean who honestly knows - I'm sure they claim to be.

[cursive summit]

NK likely has a nuke or a few

[reef patrol]

But if they pulled that trigger, the entire country would be vaporized before they could even pop the cork to celebrate.

[cursive summit]

Probably imported from China

[fair gull]

i swear i read they successfully did nuclear bomb tests or smth

[pale sigil]

https://www.amazon.co.uk/NEW-Monitor-response-Freesync-Premium/dp/B0977B3RMJ/

Hmmmmm

[cursive summit]

It's NEW

NEW boys

NEW

Seriously why is new capitalized

So it's a 1440p ultrawide IPS

You can get a nanoIPS for that much

I got this thing and it's good af https://www.amazon.co.uk/AOC-AGON-AG273Q-FreeSync-Ergonomic/dp/B08FCQV1JM

[pale sigil]

ultrawide

[cursive summit]

*Nobody needs it *

[ashen spindle]

man I remember spending like 3x that price on my first ultrawide and it was only 100hz lol

[pale sigil]

Haha that's why part of me is like hmmm but I can't not think of QDOLED

[ashen spindle]

you literally want to throttle your gpu

to save power

oled needs a lot more power

and costs 4x the price

[pale sigil]

Ye but I'd be removing two monitors I use

Surely that means something :p

But also we get support with electric now which helps, government thing.

[ashen spindle]

I mean depends but you can draw like 100W on it where other ultrawides have 30W for the same thing

[pale sigil]

Is it just not counter productive though, to want QDOLED but instead spending hundreds on less and buying QDOLED in the future

[ashen spindle]

oh I'm just saying it costs more and will cost you more in power cost

if thats worth it to you or not is your call

[tropic nacelle]

Does it really use significantly more?

The power consumption figures you normally see are 200nits full white which is worse case for OLED panels.

If you use dark mode I suspect it's much closer, obviously this is where averages become important not just peak power consumption

[ashen spindle]

yes full white is worst case but 200 nits is not the max it can reach and also thats SDR, hdr is likely what you want to use if you have it and thats not entirely free

[tropic nacelle]

Yeah saw that over the weekend, finally LG down to that size..

If I didn't have my aw34d I would be eagerly awaiting the buy button on that

[tropic nacelle]

Yeah but it's context and use case, like for me I'll use mine on 0% - 10% brightness with black themes while coding all day and then a mix of sdr and HDR gaming in some evenings.

I'm no where near the peak 100w the reviews point out as power usage

[ashen spindle]

oh sure but still, if you want to limit your gpu to draw less, even if its just draws 50W compared to 20W another screen has that is something to keep in mind

[tropic nacelle]

True, you can also apply this the fact the motion response is so low at all refresh rates you can drop the refresh rate to reduce workload on GPU without such a drastic impact compared to your standard LCD with overdrive

[pale sigil]

Tbh we've made a lot of changes and the extra help I've been getting makes a difference as the government are sending out money but also I think going from two monitors to one will make a difference.

[tropic nacelle]

Best way to save power is to undervolt your GPU for sure

[pale sigil]

But in general I think its unrealistic for me to get a QDOLED monitor anytime soon

[wheat plume]

WHY IS THE LIBREM 5 1300 DOLLARS?????

https://shop.puri.sm/shop/librem-5/

its a damn 5 inch screen phone

:')

it has a vibration motor, thats all we will say about it!

[cursive summit]

"hone that focuses on security by design and privacy protection"

Literally a scam then

No wonder it's 1.3k dollars

[wheat plume]

it runs PureOS, so yeah, for sure more secure than Android

[cursive summit]

720×1440 screen??

No wifi5?

Bluetooth4?

[wheat plume]

and has hardware kill switches for wifi and shit

[cursive summit]

This is a phone from 2014

Somehow miraculously it has USB 3.0

[wheat plume]

2010

[cursive summit]

When even last year's phones didn't have that in most models

So it has USB 3.0

But no wifi5

I don't understand the design priorities

[wheat plume]

Their sim plans suck

40 dollars a month for 3gb data

[cursive summit]

LOL

[wheat plume]

and unlimted texts

[cursive summit]

Barely anyone even knows what openPGP is

Let alone uses

It's literally a dark web thing

[wheat plume]

Their unlimited data plan is 100 dollars a month

whom'st'tf wanna pay that?

[cursive summit]

Starlink people

[wheat plume]

wait

no

you only get 20gb data before you are throttled

RIP

[cursive summit]

Am I misunderstanding something, or is this a phone?

[cursive summit]

It's a phone, right

[wheat plume]

128kb/s

that can barely load a website

[cursive summit]

Why is there a keyboard and mouse for a phone

I understand, kind of, keyboard for tablets

[wheat plume]

It runs PureOS, basically a covergent Linux OS

it can adapt to the screen size

[cursive summit]

It's on x86?

Oh god

[wheat plume]

ARM

128kbps

good luck doing anything with that speed

[cursive summit]

Yeah another scam of a product

[wheat plume]

I must check how much Pinephones are

oh, this one is USB Type C!

oh so was the Librem, ok nvm

ah, much better price

[empty wren]

Ah nice video out

A very rare feature

Same with led light

[wheat plume]

the Convergence Package comes with a USB C hub to hook it up to a monitor and keyboard and mouse

[empty wren]

I am sure almost any hub is fine

[wheat plume]

probably

im curious will my laptop work with the Steam Deck Dock

the answer is, no

yeh!!

• 35 euro tax + 12 shipping for me

209 dollars

Yeah, not that bad

I miss Windows Phone 8.1......the most consistent OS ever made in terms of UI design

every app worked and looked like it was part of the OS

Then windows phone 10 came along and it was a super laggy janky visually incoherent mess

I remember using 8.1 on my old phone, and the reddit app and the youtube app I downloaded from the store looked and felt like system apps, the same UI design, the same animations, everytihng was so coherent

and it was amazing

now on android and iOS every app looks different to one another

some look like they are from Android 5
some use the old material design, some use the new one
some cant do dark theme
some cant do ligh theme

some have solid black around the navbar
some let the navbar float there and fill the whole screen with app content

[empty wren]

Some look like android 4

[wheat plume]

yep

WHy hasnt Google taken a stance on how the gesture bar should be handled?

even in their own suite of apps, its not treated the same way

[empty wren]

Because they are inconsistent

Look at the app icons

[wheat plume]

most google apps have a solid black background behind the gesture bar

[empty wren]

Do they follow a similar style

[wheat plume]

youtube is still old material design

so is the google app

the phone app uses the new design but still has labels on the tab icons

same with play store

gmail has the tab icons without labels

its so messy

I still cant figure out why my other google accounts got the October youtube redesign by my main account hasnt

ive still got the light grey background and the old style

[empty wren]

If it is staying you will get it sooner or later

[halcyon moss]

expect a half working phone

especially if you put other roms on it :p

[tropic nacelle]

You are looking at a phone that tries to market itself for privacy and security and you use Gmail xD.

Did you just stumble onto this phone or were you actually looking for it?

[wheat plume]

I like Linux
And have been watching the phone side of it for a while

[ashen spindle]

https://gpuopen.com/brotli-g-sdk-announce/

so time to wait 5 years and hope we dont have 10 direct storage SDKs surviving and just this or something else zzz

[crimson wigeon]

Not proprietary enough!

[wheat plume]

ArcoLinux has the best aliases set in their .bashrc and .zshrc files, they make things so easy to use

<3

I love their update aliases and the yt-dlp aliases

imma steal them

[pale sigil]

Xd they are using linux in an apple original for game dev meanwhile every other device are apple devices

@shadow minnow

[reef patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/phrasing-archer-gif-10233200

[ashen spindle]

sad event but also lol imagine making a store of glass so it collapses easily

[reef patrol]

Did they try and turn it off and back on again?

[ashen spindle]

no I think they were holding it wrong

[frozen ingot]

driver used apple maps and crashed into it

[cursive summit]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-no-oh-no-anyway-gif-18887547

Assuming nobody has been hurt

[final flame]

https://youtu.be/2OlaSM5fT4k

[cursive summit]

Whoa holy crap

https://www.adorama.com/fofelegia.html?emailprice=t

Elegia is 500$ off

Man I'd rather have these than the ndh-20s

[mild dome]

That price cut seems suspiciously large

[pale sigil]

Thats Vex for you

[latent mural]

How do i change one of my analog profiles to digital if i want two of each

[pale sigil]

You can only have a single Digital Profile

As long as you dont bind xbox keys its essentially a digital profile regardless.

[quick cipher]

can someone help

[mild dome]

What makes AKG in particular so shit? Poor build quality?

[astral haven]

Dunno who said that, but they are just like basically every company
Some stuff is good and some is bad

[reef patrol]

https://help.wooting.io/en/article/troubleshoot-how-to-fix-the-bootloader-error-during-keyboard-update-1ptjycf/

[pale sigil]

K612 Pro

[stark bobcat]

No point talking to etymotic luddites about any of this. They literally claim er2se > high end speakers

Imagine thinking some tiny pos in your ear can rival the power of a driver that can make the ground shake

I didn't say you did

I was once in a discord very devoted to these things and someone actually claimed that was the case

I cannot take any etymotic peddlers seriously anymore

[dense lion]

Hey guys, just out of curiosity, I'd like to know why my WootingHE registers 6 entries in the USB device listing.
I'm sure this is for Analog joystick support among other features. But can anybody tell me what exactly each of the devices do?

[ashen spindle]

iirc one is for the normal keyboard, one is for the xinput and the rest for directinput because that can use more things at once? dont remember exactly

think if you disable xinput/dinput in wootility that should update so you could see which one is for which

[dense lion]

I have gamepad/controller support disabled in Wooting control panel, but it seems the USB device still lingers. I'd have expected that disabling the feature would de-clutter the device listing a bit

[fair gull]

theres keyboard, mouse, whatever gamepad you selected (if disabled its one less), and the SDK endpoints (from memory, no guarantee its 100% correct)

[dense lion]

Oh right... mouse. Because of the hotkey stuff

[fair gull]

thats from memory and rocky would know more

[fair gull]

yes

[dense lion]

Makes sense

Thanks

I'd really like an expert option to disable unused devices in wootility

Like mouse hotkey support and SDK stuff

They look all the same 😂

[fair gull]

no they have a difference

if you go into their properties in devmgmt and check the hardware id

[dense lion]

Interestingly I have two HID keyboards as well 🤔

Is this for 6key rollover?

[stark bobcat]

Not saying this wouldn't be useful but I'm really curious what for

[dense lion]

I dunno, leave more room for other devices on the bus?

Windows probably polls each mouse device continuously

Save some performance?

[stark bobcat]

Hmm I guess if you were limited in buswidth that could be useful

[ashen spindle]

think one usb bus supports 127 devices, if you use that many on one bus I would want to see that cable management lol

[dense lion]

You can set core affinity of usb devices ?

how?

hmm

Didn't know that

I still wonder why Wooting2HE registers two keyboards in both 6KRO and NKEY mode

Well it seems I can disable everything but the first device and keyboard still works 😂

[cursive summit]

Whaat

https://www.computing.co.uk/news/4060509/france-bans-office-365-google-workspace-schools

I really don't see why

[reef patrol]

GDPR and monopolies.

[stark bobcat]

uhm rly?

[cursive summit]

So Microsoft offering Office for free for educational and other institutions is a monopoly?

[stark bobcat]

did u watch the most recent ltt on pantone and adobe?

[reef patrol]

The first fix is free, then it'll cost you

Microsoft are software drug dealers.

[stark bobcat]

very well explained there

[cursive summit]

I don't watch LTT

I guess I don't really get the issue here

Office is a bit of a vital piece of software for any company

Replacing it with virtually inferior alternatives just cause monopoly sounds.. dumb

[wheat plume]

OOOOOO FRANCE DID A GOOD

banned google too, interesting lol

oo germany too

[stark bobcat]

https://youtu.be/qMWAY8Cdsz0?t=880

timestamped it for you

watch like 30 seconds

or 1 minute

[cursive summit]

Well yeah Adobe is a piece of shit

[stark bobcat]

they do the same thing as Microsoft does with creative suite

[cursive summit]

I don't at all remember Microsoft buying out their competition

[stark bobcat]

what competition

[cursive summit]

LibreOffice, FreeOffice, OpenOfffice, WPS Office, etc

A bunch of them exist

[stark bobcat]

all those suck ass

[cursive summit]

That's still not "buying out competition"

More like, "We have the only good one around"

There could be competition if other companies actually made one

I don't see the problem with Office

I do however heavily dislike Adobe

[stark bobcat]

I am saying: "they are not competition for microsoft because they suck"

[ashen spindle]

in the adobe case it is likely to be pantones fault though, or at least both and not adobe alone

[halcyon moss]

gnumeric

[stark bobcat]

#🔌│tech message

we are talking about this

[cursive summit]

"in the adobe case "

[ashen spindle]

ik responding to vex since he hasnt watched the video

[stark bobcat]

vexx is saying ms being a monopoly in the space isn't a problem

[cursive summit]

So, are we going to also ban Valve cause they have a monopoly?

[stark bobcat]

no we must regulate them

[cursive summit]

Or virtually any other company whose offerings are more advanced yet don't exhibit monopoly seeking behavior?

[ashen spindle]

can you please for once read the article and then comprehend its not about monopoly

[cursive summit]

Monopoly was brought up here in the chat, so we been talking about that

[ashen spindle]

and then you added banning it because of it to the part which is not what anyone brought up or suggested

[stark bobcat]

also can we come back to the topic of valve needing to be regulated 😄

I really like that one

[cursive summit]

I would be content with Valve becoming the de-facto official game dealer for all platforms but in turn they only get 5-10% cut

They want too much rn

Indie devs should be paid more and preserved

[stark bobcat]

monopolies are not a good thing in a system that is based on competition

[cursive summit]

What is wrong with a monopoly that is also fair to everyone

[ashen spindle]

because how do you define that accurately when people have different views on that

if its not a monopoly it will adjust to what works, cant really adjust monopolys if they slightly nudge more and more to being unfair

[stark bobcat]

personally I think csgo lootboxes shouldn't be regulated because I like them

I think it's fair for everyone because only stupid people gamble and losing their money is what they deserve

[cursive summit]

You know that is nowhere near the same thing lad

[stark bobcat]

didn't say it was

[cursive summit]

Then don't bring it up

[stark bobcat]

???

I thought we had free speech here

[ashen spindle]

anyway I hope france made a plan instead of just telling schools what not to do

not really a good solution to just ban office and then have students suffer because they cant get something up and running

[stark bobcat]

yeah my uncle lives in france and his son just entered school I'll have some inside information

will be interesting

[halcyon moss]

gambling adiction is def not a thing.. right?

[stark bobcat]

nahhhhhhh non-physical addictions are not real they are only in your mind just clean your penis and you re good

[empty wren]

Definitely not https://appleinsider.com/articles/20/12/13/kid-spends-16k-on-in-app-purchases-for-ipad-game-sonic-forces

[cursive summit]

FORTNITE daaa