fair gull
i still remember when i ran my own gmod community with wbb... dang
#🔌│tech
gusty kiln
Shame sprays are disabled on official servers now, at least in tf2
crimson wigeon
No fun allowed
ashen spindle
yeah but on offical servers without admins they kinda had to do that
ashen spindle
was bad enough ont he servers I had to moderate
I wish it was just porn that people had...
reef patrol
Also they probably figured they could sell sprays at one point and reconsidered.
ashen spindle
nah
for csgo maybe but not for tf2, they had to disable it there because people just couldn't play nice
gusty kiln
stark bobcat
I bet there was a lot of gore
fickle ore
Yeah that's not a bad deal at all. 1TB of octane for 400$
shadow minnow
That’s solid pricing apart from the 58 one
fickle ore
if it was EU i'd be tempteds
ashen spindle
also 4080s are in stock for just 100€ above msrp lol
or above the FE msrp I should say, idk the msrp for those models
fickle ore
whats the price?
ashen spindle
1550
crimson wigeon
Bruh
ashen spindle
yeah shows you really nice how much the euro falling hurts prices lol
in totally unrelated notes anyone want to by my 60he for 1550€?
fickle ore
bruuuuuuuuuh
yeah fk no, nvidia can eat it. Nobody in EU can afford that in these times, unless ur willing to go debt
I think they've lost touch with reality
ashen spindle
well they cant give EU a lower regional price and treat it like brazil or something lol
gusty kiln
Also the electricity cost
ashen spindle
and for now sales are pretty much normal
gusty kiln
According to people in this discord
fickle ore
well they cant give EU a lower regional price and treat it like brazil or someth...
why not. At this point EU is like 3rd world country
Atleast match $=€
ashen spindle
Uhh but that’s what they are doing?
fickle ore
4080 is 1550$?
ashen spindle
No but the 1200$ price does not include VAT
fickle ore
Ofc. Still so out of touch. Maybe americans making 200k/y can buy it
ashen spindle
Well it’s selling better than the 20 series and bit better than 30 series before mining boom
So for now they have no reason to change reprice
fickle ore
I'd like to see the EU numbers vs NA
Yeah well Ig people are out of their mind too haha
ashen spindle
Well yeah people bought 3090 and 3090tis for gaming
So now they have the same option a bit better again
fickle ore
It makes me afraid for my NVDA position, I can't see ppl buying those in mass amounts. When all the 5% top earners playing games have bough it what then. Will see in Q4 earnings.
ashen spindle
Well luckily for you they don’t have gaming as their biggest sector anymore
fickle ore
Server/AI?
ashen spindle
Ya
Or at least almost idk if it’s bigger every quarter already or just has been for some in the past year
fickle ore
seems to be slowing YoY, but still 20 mil $ bigger than last quarter
stark bobcat
if this wasn't people losing their jobs it would be rly funny
but ig if they are programmers they'll be fine
ashen spindle
except just a fraction of them likely are programmers
ashen spindle
in more funny news that arent sad though https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2022/11/is-ubisoft-thwarting-cheaters-with-100-versions-of-rainbow-six-siege/
anti cheat measure that are nothing big but at least for a while do something are always cool to see
even though in the end this will just be AI 1 shuffling it around and AI 2 shuffling it back at some point
cursive summit
That's a lot lot sooner than they launched non-X parts for 5000 series
Highly doubtful on these leaks
Seems leakers are also doubling down on the fact there is no 7800
stark bobcat
I suspect x parts are not selling as well as they hoped
cursive summit
So, 7800 is almost certain to be reserved for Vcache
That still leaves Greymon's (who is gone, now), claims that there are 3 Vcache SKUs
cursive summit
I suspect x parts are not selling as well as they hoped
Which should be countered by a price drop at best
It's early to release new parts and basically complete your entire 7000 series lineup in 3 months
AMD like to do mid gen refreshes and with 7000 they seem in a pickle
ashen spindle
or this is just OEM parts
or they just fade it out and keep it on the books as new parts for other reasons
they are not in a pickle if they still cant keep up demand with epyc, they just use the CCDs there if DIY sales drop
stark bobcat
Which should be countered by a price drop at best
Not true at least amd doesn't seem to think that way with how they handled 5000 series
ashen spindle
5000 series also had Rocket Lake 
as competition
basing anything off of how that generation went makes no sense as a general market plan
stark bobcat
We'll see what they end up doing
cursive summit
I think that AMD's best course of action is A620
New cheap mobos
100$ entry range
Cause rn the cheapest one is still 200 euros
ashen spindle
you want to build a zen4 pc that can basically just act as a smart tv device?
A series boards are trash for gaming lol
cursive summit
At least people will be able to afford some 
Also not all A boards are that bad
Plenty of peeps still have A320 running 5600X and such
stark bobcat
A boards are junk but good enough to run the mid/low end cpus
ashen spindle
idk A620 means your OC is locked and likely not even gen5 pcie and all that
so at that point its not a great thing to have as future upgrade path so might as well get am4 then imo
ashen spindle
that likely means mem oc as well fyi
ashen spindle
and XMP is OC
stark bobcat
Could be worse
ashen spindle
yeah its not unusable I just don't see the point on getting that over getting like b450 with a 5800x3d as a much better value if you dont go high end
cursive summit
I don't actually see a point of OC or PCIe5
ashen spindle
future gpus will need it and you dont want stock RAM speeds and idk if oc lock means PBO also cant boost higher
stark bobcat
Eh I think current gpus barely saturate 3.0 x16
cursive summit
PCIe 4 is defo enough for now
stark bobcat
Unless you are talking those dreadful laptop to desktop gpus
With like x4 or x8 interfaces
latent mural
Yo should I get GeForce now priority for 5$?
I have a decent pc but I feel like with GeForce now I don't need to download a game
sharp badger
Don't need to download?
ashen spindle
I said "future" gpus because I was talking about future not current gpus 
cursive summit
So what's wrong with releasing A620 now and getting a 6000 or 7000 series AMD card
That'll hold you until Zen 5 or 6
latent mural
Don't need to download?
Yeah...?
ashen spindle
because you likely get better deal if you go am4 instead or intel
stark bobcat
Will a620 be 4.0 or 3.0? I asumme 4
cursive summit
4 most likely
ashen spindle
idk
cursive summit
But yeah is A620 even confirmed at all?
ashen spindle
biggest reason I cant get it is because I need more USB ports than a620 will have
cursive summit
I don't remember them mentioning it at all
stark bobcat
If it's 4 future gpus also won't have a problem for a good while
Especially not the ones that should be bought with an a series board
ashen spindle
yeah and my point is if you go low end I don't think going am5 at this stage makes sense
cursive summit
It makes plenty sense
7600X could cost like 450 euros with an A620 combo
That's acceptable pricing
Rn 5800X3D with a cheap ass B550 would cost that much
And I'd rather get a 7600X
ashen spindle
so get b450 and its 400 for that combo
sharp badger
Yeah...?
https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/products/geforce-now/faq/ ''Games must be downloaded and installed from the digital stores.''?
cursive summit
It's not as good as 7000 series anyways
latent mural
https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/products/geforce-now/faq/ ''Games must be d...
lol what
when I used it I didn't need to download the game before playing it
sharp badger
when I used it I didn't need to download the game before playing it
Ok i've never used it so 😅
latent mural
https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/products/geforce-now/faq/ ''Games must be d...
There was nothing about that on the website idk where you got that from
sharp badger
There was nothing about that on the website idk where you got that from
It's in PC/MAC
''On the first click of a game tile, your ownership is verified with the digital store through a login, and then the game is installed onto your GeForce NOW gaming rig in the cloud.'' ah nvm then
sharp badger
But i guess it's up to you then if they have the games you want to play and you've got a good internet connection
ashen spindle
*and dont notice the latency
sharp badger
But i'll probably not use it because i'll buy the game i want & my rig can handle it
sharp badger
*and dont notice the latency
And that yeah
On another note are the G.Skill Ripjaws S5 as good as the Trident Z5? (DDR5)
and another question DELL AW3423DW or Samsung Odyssey Neo G9?
latent mural
But i'll probably not use it because i'll buy the game i want & my rig can handl...
My rig can handle most games too, but downloading is so boring
tropic nacelle
and another question DELL AW3423DW or Samsung Odyssey Neo G9?
two different display technoloigies, depends on your use case unless you meant the newly announced g8?
QD-OLED has no blooming as each pixel is lit rather than a group of pixels (zones) like the g9 does and this local dimming on lcd cames at a cost of latency.
the aw3423dw is faster in motion across all refresh rates, has perfect blacks and great hdr performance.
Its not ideal if you always use it in a bright room though as one the peak brightness is lower and bright ambient light can raise the blacks to not look so black.
latent mural
My rig can handle most games too, but downloading is so boring
3060 ti 5600x
sharp badger
My rig can handle most games too, but downloading is so boring
Yeah it is but usually preload games and have them installed
latent mural
Yeah it is but usually preload games and have them installed
Preload?
cursive summit
Alienware one is really damn good though
tropic nacelle
so if you want 49inch it doesnt matter about the 34 and if you think 49 is too large then go 34 🙂
cursive summit
Between Alienware and G8 I'd get whichever's cheaper
cursive summit
But honestly I still fail to see why 1000$ displays exist
There are plenty solid 500$ displays
latent mural
If i want to play a game i'll just have them installed i've got the space
Yeah same, downloading just takes like 30mins but idk what to do in that 30mins
sharp badger
There are plenty solid 500$ displays
Yeah but i'd like to test the Mini-led or QD-Oled displays , i have an IPS already
ashen spindle
There are plenty solid 500$ displays
no 500$ display comes close to the alienware
cursive summit
Iirc mini-led is ass
Micro-LED or whatever it's called is the good one
There are multiple of those mled technologies
ashen spindle
not if you want HDR and such ontop
tropic nacelle
there are no consumer monitors that are microLED and it will be way more than £1000 when it comes to the consumer level.
OLED and QD-OLED is the best you can get really at the moment and there is a massive differtence from £500 to £1000 monitors.
it exists for those who want to spend more 🙂
monitors have been vastly overpriced for a long time since TVs becamse popular with HD, monitors with only a handful of zones were around £2k which is insane for crap HDR, TVs were half the price and better!
since the alienware launched at £1100 its a very relative "bargain", only in the context of high end monitors assuming the compromise is ok for the user.
Your decision J is more do you want 49inch ultrawide or 34inch ultrawide
ashen spindle
personally I would say go with the alienware because by the time gpus can fully make use of the samsung, there will be better screens lol
unless you can make it work as a workspace monitor
tropic nacelle
I would lean to it as well but thats because I hate LCD backlight bleed which is still a thing and prefer perfect blacks
sharp badger
Well i want the best ''looking'' one so the QD-OLED is probably better than Mini-LED?
Both will probably have Pros/Cons
ashen spindle
personally I hope in 3 years we get QNED panels already so if it burns in I ask for that instead of a replacement for the alienware
tropic nacelle
there is always a compromise yes.
QD-OLED has risk of burn in (alienware has 3 year burn in warranty though)
QD_OLED has lower peak brightness so bright ambient light it will look dimmer overall compared to the g9.
minor colour fringing on text as it has a slightly different subpixel layout, personally doesnt bother me in use for coding and gaming.
ashen spindle
nanorod dispalys
ashen spindle
basically no more burn in and higher brightness than qdoled
cursive summit
Alright you twits, what's up with your genuine addiction to brightness
Are you people alright
ashen spindle
not to be confused qith LG QNED because thats just lcd
cursive summit
I play with a 350 cd max screen and it's not even on 100%
Why the fuck do you need 1000 cd or even higher
ashen spindle
oh I am not saying you need more brightness for normal use
tropic nacelle
its for peak brightness!
ashen spindle
im just saying it can do more
and for HDR contrast that will help even if you just have it on some few pixels
cursive summit
I dunno man 300 cd to me is a decent spot
ashen spindle
not for HDR
cursive summit
Who needs HDR?
tropic nacelle
no you are thinking total brightness, the peak brighrtness is for tiny zones.
imagine you have a sun in the top right and shadows behind a wall at the bottom, you want the bottom to be dark and the sun to be a bright as possible, you have those pixels brighter than the bottom even more
cursive summit
I have the CX and I have viewed HDR content
ashen spindle
so can we just not do the stupid argument of "who would need or want new tech"
latent mural
Do you guys like microplastics?
tropic nacelle
what HDR content have you viewed?
cursive summit
Although my CX is godly at media
cursive summit
what HDR content have you viewed?
Shit on netflix
Witcher show I think was HDR
There was some kind of historical drama
latent mural
Hey guys they should make a Keyboard that is kinda like a controller like analog or something lol
sharp badger
Well there's always nice with new technologies
tropic nacelle
i mean netflix bitrate is abysmal anyway but HDR definitely makes a big difference, CX hdr is excellent as well
ashen spindle
I don't see much improvement with HDR
if HDR didnt do much for you there, it would be fair to assume better HDR would make it better right?
astral haven
nanorod dispalys
Nanorods are just a type of quantum Dot
The next actual leap will be qdel
cursive summit
Maybe I just don't care that much for the RTX and other "sales" points that much
I guess I care mostly for stuff to work well
ashen spindle
what was qdel again?
and yeah qned is not a massive leap but still a thing that hopefully comes sometime soon rather than later in life
astral haven
what was qdel again?
Quantum dots that are electroluminescent
ashen spindle
ah right
astral haven
Skipping the diode entirely
ashen spindle
dont see that coming in 24/25 though
astral haven
dont see that coming in 24/25 though
The materials already exist, someone just needs to find a good compound for each of the 3 colors
ashen spindle
then again qned also got delays earlier this year.. so who knows when that really ends up coming
sharp badger
Can always buy another IPS but i would like to enhance my experience when gaming and use some newer technology
astral haven
Anyways @cursive summit what HDR level did you watch said content on
If it was hdr400 or 600 it probably was just a normal panel which doesn't really have any actual dynamic range benefit
And also be aware that most players don't support HDR, and you need to pay for the super fancy Netflix to even stream HDR at all
cursive summit
Ye?
astral haven
And do you have the expensive netflix subscription?
cursive summit
That was before that existed
astral haven
That was before that existed
No it wasnt
ashen spindle
watch it be the same mess as netflixes audio where you only get the good quality on certain apps/players/websites
astral haven
watch it be the same mess as netflixes audio where you only get the good quality...
Correctamundo
cursive summit
When Witcher S1 released there were no tiers for the app
Just a single subscription
And I did have HDR enabled
ashen spindle
coworker was raging about the audio mess of netflix depending on where you watch it for like a year straight and I just still dont get how netflix can be so shit lol
cursive summit
I liked Netflix quite a bit honestly
Audio quality is insane
The visuals are also great
But tbf I get the same visuals watching youtube
Audio quality was the biggest wow factor
tropic nacelle
i hate the fact you cant stream at higher bitrates, the pandemic is "over" put it back up and stop restricting it for those who have fast broadband 😦
ashen spindle
the issue is your audio quality is vastly difference if you watch it in app or browser or video player app
so if you have a nice sound setup with speakers and all you cant watch it everywhere unless you want to throw your setup out the window lmfao
cursive summit
Whatever Netflix app exists on the CX that's preinstalled, that's the one I used
And I have no speakers other than just the TV
tropic nacelle
Whats wrong with chromeFlex? its just cloudready which was chromeOS without the android apps
wheat plume
watch the video LOL
tropic nacelle
Ive had to use it as a mixture in our work deployment after moving to chromeOS for everyone besides art designers and it works fine
I assumed you watched it so could give a TLDR
wheat plume
- Installer requires you to use Chrome or Chromium based browser
- Installer requires you to run it in Windows, Mac and Linux or even ChromeOS is not supported
- The apps will either open in their own window, or in a tab attached to an already open window
- The taskbar indicators will switch tabs between the same window when you click on them, or they will minimise the entire window despite only one tab being the application you clicked on
- Many UI inconsitencies and features lacking in the settings app
- Overview being pretty crappy like windows 10 + 11 is too
tropic nacelle
I guess they never used chromeos then xD
the UI inconsistencies are big everywhere, it works better for business though as its way more reliable and human proof than windows in my experience after rolling it out to idiots for over a year.
Been a fun change!
astral haven
1) Installer requires you to use Chrome or Chromium based browser
2) Installer r...
All of this seems perfectly useable...
ashen spindle
ok so I think I do need a second screen with 175hz
new driver fixes that fps drops happen on main screen
but now the screen flackers when I have chrome or so open
even with no hardware accelleration on second screen
god I hate driver issues lmfao
astral haven
Time to buy a 6900xt
ashen spindle
79 yes
ashen spindle
yeah but I'm on a 68 since launch lmfao
ashen spindle
nah thats vex
astral haven
Righto
ashen spindle
but also sometimes have these on my 1080 but I only use that pc for work so dont really get it unless I try something on that pc
tropic nacelle
think all can have some issues, 4090 and 4080 had some fun issues already.
I did se for the flickering it was gpu scheduling causing it but maybe yours is different
ashen spindle
yes my issue is the long standing issue of having two screen with different refresh rates
think the oldest issue I found was on nvidia forums from 2005 related to it
and honeslty it will make it a bit nicer for the times I put code files on second screen and scroll through it
astral haven
You should probably just get a 240hz and underclock to 175
It's likely gonna be cheaper
latent mural
why underclock
tropic nacelle
oh the microstutter with multiple refresh rates! you reminded me why i have my monitors set to 165 xD
nvidia seem to never fix this issue
astral haven
nvidia seem to never fix this issue
It's microsoft
tropic nacelle
is it?
astral haven
Well quin has an amd card lel
sharp badger
Is there any other AMD AIBs than PowerColor that has ''revealed'' their cards?
tropic nacelle
i didnt notice it on my vega64 at the time 🤷♂️
astral haven
i didnt notice it on my vega64 at the time 🤷♂️
It's an uncommon issue
astral haven
Please explain why you should underclock a monitor
There's a bug in windows where games will stutter when GPU accelerated apps are running on a second screen at a different refresh rate than your main screen
tropic nacelle
Please explain why you should underclock a monitor
only to workaround a bug that exists sometimes introducing microstutter if you have 2 varying refresh rate monitors
astral haven
only to workaround a bug that exists sometimes introducing microstutter if you h...
It's not always microstutter
It's often full on stutter and sometimes outright monitor flicker
ashen spindle
yes I'm looking at an Asus VG258QM
chrome estuary
It's not always microstutter
It's often full on stutter and sometimes outright m...
wait fuck that's what causes that? I've had that happen before and didn't know that
ashen spindle
and yes I have had this on both my 1080 and my 6800
tropic nacelle
fair enough then, god damn microsoft
ashen spindle
could be MS, could be DX (which I guess is MS) could be just both companies having similar bugs somehow
I cba anymore
chrome estuary
hell damn and spite... i don't wanna replace my monitors (i mean i kinda do but don't as well) and i don't wanna underclock my monitor
tropic nacelle
set them lower se if it fixes it, profit.
ashen spindle
well first try if that is the case for your issue by just unplugging the second one
chrome estuary
i'll try it yeah. i don't plan to replace them or really worry about it since i don't play games that much... I mostly use the PS5 right now due to GOW Ragnarok
astral haven
It also shouldn't happen on divisions
240 main and 60 secondary and I've never had it
chrome estuary
i've got a 144 main, 60 2nd, 60 3rd
latent mural
Is monitor overclocking worth it lol
astral haven
Is monitor overclocking worth it lol
Depends
astral haven
i've got a 144 main, 60 2nd, 60 3rd
Oc to 180 or uc to 120?
chrome estuary
i guess i could. i might try that.
ashen spindle
funnily enough the WHQL driver has the flickering and the non whql driver I was on before had no flickering but just the hardware accell issues
astral haven
If you can tell the difference then it's worth
If you can't then it's not
latent mural
kk ty
final flame
I've had issues with microstutter before and they just magically went away one day
haven't had issues since
latent mural
same
final flame
if it's a large issue for you unplug whatever monitors you're not using that have lower refreshes
astral haven
Huge pita
latent mural
if it's a large issue for you unplug whatever monitors you're not using that hav...
1 monitor tho
ashen spindle
and also honestly at this rate I just want deckard because I know oculus is worse at making audio drivers not total horseshit
honestly the oculus audio driver issues are a crime that facebook should've fixed as the first thing when they bought it instead of never touching it
tropic nacelle
do you mean the software drivers or the hardware drivers?
Former worked well in my experience, the move to the stupid built in thingy is a crime though
astral haven
I never had a problem on my cv1
ashen spindle
why did I say anything...
astral haven
Are you sure that it's oculus not amd?
ashen spindle
yes because I dont know when I last used my oculus on amd lel
astral haven
Interesting
tropic nacelle
CV1 was great, audio worked perfectly especially doing dual audio when steamVR couldnt even do a single headphone for me without shitting the bead.
My experience with the index was the worst vr headset I ever owned especially for the price 😦
astral haven
Well my cv1 never had any issues
ashen spindle
the audio itself is fine and just using it is no issue
astral haven
CV1 was great, audio worked perfectly especially doing dual audio when steamVR c...
I also have no problems with my index lel
ashen spindle
but if you want to disable an extra audio device that you dont use, want to make sure it's never wrongly set to default device gl, oculus app updates reset those changes, break it sometimes
tropic nacelle
I also have no problems with my index lel
I had it at launch and used it for 6 months, felt like a glorified betatester reporting all the issues. I only had it for so long as they kept messing around the "free return" and eventually they took it back xD
ashen spindle
tbf it's mostly when using dev stuff that causes you to replug a lot or configure the settings is when it breaks but usually just makes a mess with audio devices if you dont leave it alone
astral haven
Yeah that's strange I had it about the same time frame as you that's my first got it actually it was a few months after launch
But yeah I never had a single issue The only issue that I've had is joystick drift after over 2 years
ashen spindle
I only have headphones so it's not that bad still but my coworker with his home cinema speaker setup really hated it xD
fickle ore
What games you play on VR quinnie?
astral haven
I only have headphones so it's not that bad still but my coworker with his home ...
Well that will absolutely never work for VR
ashen spindle
well atm I only have a quest so I'm just keeping it to beat saber, pistol whip and budget cuts
but I do want to play zenith when I get a better hmd
ashen spindle
Well that will absolutely never work for VR
no I dont mean use the setup for him, I mean have the oculus not mess up the sound device manager lol
tropic nacelle
Yeah that's strange I had it about the same time frame as you that's my first go...
fair enough, conflicting anecdotal experiences!
It was so bad for me that I went out picked up a rift s to compare and was sold switching back, never got on with it even with the great audio when it worked and the better comfort.
For me it was simple things like it flat out dying when booting up a game and requiring a physical unplug and replug to work, its not the end of the world but it was often and very annoying everytime i just wanted to "Jump in" compared to say the CV1 which just worked everytime i popped on my headset
fickle ore
I wanna raid in VR
ashen spindle
vader immortal is something I wanna try at some point that did seem quite nice
I just really dont like the quest lol sceen is nicer but using it is a lot less nice than my rift
tropic nacelle
quest 1 or 2?
I miss the OLED screen of my CV1 but i think the trade off was good enough for the pixel density now
ashen spindle
2
tropic nacelle
I was hoping the pro would be OLED again but alas it was not
ashen spindle
quest 3 might do it next year
fickle ore
Why r u not liking q2? Not oled?
ashen spindle
nono the screens are fine
the strap is legit trying to strain your next so you need to buy a replacement for like 50-80, the audio is also not as nice because you dont have the over ear things unless you get a 3rd party strap with audio parts
tropic nacelle
I do wish they added video over usb-c or something though so when im using it in sim rig I wouldnt have to use the streaming option (even though it works really well, it could be better)
just get a bobovr strap or kiwi one? they are like £30 if that
ashen spindle
weight distribution is not as good even with one
got the kiwi strap + audio version
much better but just not as good of a fit as the rift was
fickle ore
Hope they are getting lighter by gen
tropic nacelle
cv1 was incredible I agree on that, very nice comfort
fickle ore
I'm looking at the quest 3
ashen spindle
if I came form a cardbord vr or go, the quest would be nice, but you simply notice that it is the cheaper option than a rift/vive/index etc.
fickle ore
Isn't it lot newer tho? odd
ashen spindle
the rift launched at 600usd the quest2 at 300usd
tropic nacelle
screen and lens wise its better but the cv1 was more expensive, better made and more comfortasble
ashen spindle
even newer doesnt make it better when its half price and standalone
fickle ore
Right
ashen spindle
it has better screens but overall quality is just experiencing cost savings
fickle ore
Even the quest 3 won't have varifocal lenses so idk, deckarb prob won't either
Ye I'm not buying one without oled tbh
Hope they aren't saving costs for the controllers and head tracking. Those need to be on spot.
tropic nacelle
i mean the quest 2 tracking is very good and unlikely to be worse than that.
astral haven
It's not as responsive as the index tho I feel
tropic nacelle
if its out of sight (behind) its not flawless but it is very close and I dont notice the difference (not to say they isnt, index tracking is superior).
At launch the rift s tracking was abysmal but after a few patches it was close enough to index I didnt care anymore personally.
The new controllers on pro have their own tracking cameras so I think they will be even better
astral haven
if its out of sight (behind) its not flawless but it is very close and I dont no...
Yeah but the bom of those controllers is as big as the bom of the quest 3 needs to be to meet the price
tropic nacelle
yeah will be interesting to see what they change to reduce pricing to make the quest 3 but it seems like it will end up in the q3 controllers somehow
astral haven
That's not possible
tropic nacelle
wonder if they keep the Q2 going and just do q3 at £500 instead
astral haven
Yeah that's not what the plans were at least with their current stated plans are
latent mural
guys help
astral haven
The quest 3 is supposed to be very similar to the quest to except with using the new faster processor to do more computational stuffs
latent mural
i connected a controller and now my sound settings are switching every millisecond
astral haven
Unplug the controller
fickle ore
no help for u
fickle ore
This is tech, not tech support. We aren't doing someone's work for free
latent mural
bro
astral haven
Like if unplugging the controller fixed the problem then problems gone done
latent mural
but then how do i use the controller..
astral haven
You don't it's borked
tropic nacelle
if you plug it back in does it work ok?
latent mural
No
tropic nacelle
try rebooting pc,k either driver issue or controller is physically broken .
latent mural
its like swapping between my default and the controller mic/output
ashen spindle
i mean the quest 2 tracking is very good and unlikely to be worse than that.
nah its shit (relatively)
latent mural
its still happening
ashen spindle
I'm not close to top beatsaber plays but I regularly notice it not tracking my swings correctly
vr chat and all it will be fine for but in comparison its poop
tropic nacelle
nah, I play a lot of beat sabre and it works great.
lighthouse is better but not by much in my experience
ashen spindle
I mean I literally just had it misalign two swings in one song for me
would've finally been an SS ranking on this one lol
but tbf the controller is worse than the tracking, rift controllers where so much better to swing around imo
tropic nacelle
low battery? I say its not poop by far, I get S+ on expert for most songs not that im good but its not hindered me on either setup at the time
ashen spindle
nah 80% battery
was the 360degree version of KDA so ex+ and moving around, I think the rotation makes the tracking slightly worse than if it was regular song
it's not breaking it it's just relatively worse compared to the rift base stations
tropic nacelle
yeah but those were a real pain, I had 4 of those and dealt with lots of usb dropouts haha
ashen spindle
never had issues with the 2 I had
tropic nacelle
only 2? that is too low i found, the comparable for quest 2 was 3 cameras really thats when it did better
ashen spindle
like this is just relative complaining, it's still fun and all, I personally just wouldn't get a quest 2 myself if I had to pay for it and could afford something else
tropic nacelle
I gladly take the small hit in tracking quality which at least in my experience seems like 90% spot on, only when using IMU outside it can be a little off but not much.
Cant give up the convience of just not having to deal with fixed positioning of cameras as I use multiple rooms
ashen spindle
I just want deckard man
tropic nacelle
is it coming soon?
cursive summit
Valve time
ashen spindle
yes very soon, definitely
tropic nacelle
soon ™️
valve time as you say xD
cursive summit
At least Valve complete their hardware projects
And they are good when they are done
cursive summit
it is actually relatively soon likely competitor to quest 3
They also said Episode 3 is soon
That was fucking 10+ years ago
tropic nacelle
ill do the same again then, pick up both and see what I prefer.
Competition is a good thing
ashen spindle
They also said Episode 3 is soon
they also have said nothing officially about deckard
cursive summit
So 20+ years
latent mural
its still happening
could it be because im not plugging it into the back
ashen spindle
maybe I do see if any stores here sell pimax that I could try
would likely not buy one but am curious
latent mural
its like connecting and disconnecting also
ashen spindle
check your sound manager it likely set some controller as default device if it messes up your sounds
tropic nacelle
go to sound manager and disable the audio if you dont use it, problem solved
tropic nacelle
windows?
tropic nacelle
then you do 🙂
ashen spindle
yes sound control panel is the name I think
latent mural
that wouldnt explain why its disconnecting and connecting though
tropic nacelle
sounds like a problem with however you connect it if it keeps going off and off?
what controller is this
latent mural
ps5 dualsense
tropic nacelle
wireless or what?
latent mural
wired
latent mural
lol all of them do iirc
lemme try something rq
lol fixed it
i was using the plug near the power button instead of the back
frozen ingot
cursive summit
Woke up to this
I have my doubts but also it's kind of realistic that Twitter will die soon
reef patrol
Yes we discussed it earlier.
cursive summit
Ahh, soz
reef patrol
stark bobcat
Now there might be some good deals since during a recession ppl buy less luxury good and they wanna get rid of stuff
dense escarp
pale sigil
@solar hinge @reef patrol What could i use for dutch pc building sites? i forgot lol
reef patrol
Not sure why you're asking ME xD
pale sigil
because you're all the same
reef patrol
Haven't moved to clogland... yet at least.
solar hinge
And sending? Never said that, I don't recommend shipping pc's
pale sigil
Where about do you live again?
solar hinge
<@195174881464156161> <@158168189300244480> What could i use for dutch pc buildi...
Buying parts or buying parts & building it?
solar hinge
Alternate.nl and azerty.nl both provide building it service
I forgot if megekko.nl does
reef patrol
There's also NZXT I suppose?
pale sigil
she want a system that can breathe
ashen spindle
dont think robots are that advanced yet
ashen spindle
curses
pale sigil
Is intel even worth getting over a 5600x
like a decent mobo will prob cost more alone i rekon
marsh glade
Wait for the 3d cache processors from Ryzen
ashen spindle
idk you are missing the entire rest of the pc specs
marsh glade
Like 3 months or something until the release
pale sigil
Wait for the 3d cache processors from Ryzen
for my friend not me
She is on a budget
1200 euros
ashen spindle
so make a 5800x3d rig
marsh glade
Then get like 10th gen intel, 11th gen and 12th gen are waaay not worth the cost for performance
pale sigil
im just thinking if it might be wise going intel
pale sigil
so make a 5800x3d rig
cant, to expensive
pale sigil
Well atm im trying to squeeze in a 3070
ashen spindle
5800x3d+ board is like 400
ashen spindle
then we cant recommend you anything anyway if we dont know prices
pale sigil
so say
reef patrol
Might want to look at any potential black friday/week/month complete discounts first, and then if those aren't bueno you'll just have to deal with suboptimal prices as a consequence of needing it prebuilt.
marsh glade
Those prices are fluffy, but not terrible
pale sigil
sadly
ashen spindle
how much is a 5800x3d
pale sigil
im going to ask if she can do some stuff herself
ashen spindle
and get b450 for cheaper]
pale sigil
how much is a 5800x3d
sec
pale sigil
how much is a 5800x3d
372.95
cursive summit
2 major mistakes
Overpriced motherboard
Bad CPU
And I'd also get a different cooler
5600X is redundant and 5600 is same perf but like 50 euros less
Motherboard you can get if you are lucky an Aorus board for 100, and that's far better
Hyper 212 days are gone, get something else too
reef patrol
Hyper 212 days are gone, get something else too
Obligatory - Don't say thing bad, suggest better thing.
ashen spindle
5600x is bad when you can just get the non x variant
cooler honestly just keep it stock cooler if you make for budget
pale sigil
stock cooler is ass though
cursive summit
It's not
pale sigil
it really is
waxen hatch
stock cooler is acceptable in more cases
cursive summit
Wtf are you doing with the 5600, OCing it?
cursive summit
Stock cooler's from AMD are more than good for 5600
waxen hatch
give me my wooting already
pale sigil
loud and shit
reef patrol
I agree - Stock coolers are loud and not worth the savings.
cursive summit
loud and shit
Loud? Kind of, I don't notice them much
reef patrol
Especially when we're talking about someone who can't replace it themselves.
cursive summit
Shit? No lol
pale sigil
i was getting 75-80c in games with stock
cursive summit
This isn't Intel
pale sigil
absolutely horrid
ashen spindle
i was getting 75-80c in games with stock
ok and temps are not relevant
cursive summit
i was getting 75-80c in games with stock
Which is perfectly normal?
waxen hatch
75-80c is acceptable
reef patrol
Which is perfectly normal?
On a stock cooler maybe.
waxen hatch
lol
pale sigil
On a stock cooler maybe.
^^^^
cursive summit
If it was hitting 95 I'd be worried
ashen spindle
if you are on a budget you dont spend more money to make numbers go down that dont matter??
cursive summit
80 is well within spec
pale sigil
I got a Hyper 212 and went down to like 60c
waxen hatch
That isn’t bogging you down or anything. It is hot, but it isn’t doing any harm
reef patrol
if you are on a budget you dont spend more money to make numbers go down that do...
You also don't want a shitty hotbox either.
cursive summit
I got a Hyper 212 and went down to like 60c
You are also spending more
ashen spindle
I got a Hyper 212 and went down to like 60c
ok and what is the benefit of it?
pale sigil
A case that isn't read hot or a screeching nightmare
cursive summit
At what point does 5600 even start to thermal throttle?
pale sigil
Jesus christ the AMD fan is so fucking loud
cursive summit
Probably high 90s
waxen hatch
95c
reef patrol
Significantly lower noise levels, slightly better boosts.
Anything abobe 80c is just unacceptable.
cursive summit
So 80 is completely within spec
pale sigil
ye boosts
waxen hatch
Yea 80 is fine
cursive summit
And if I remember correctly, @ashen spindle said that you want silicon to be hot
ashen spindle
A case that isn't read hot or a screeching nightmare
temperature is not related to heat given off to the environement
cursive summit
Something something works better
reef patrol
And I only allow 80c in a compact ITX case.
waxen hatch
It may run the stock fan faster and thus louder at 80s vs evo 212
ashen spindle
65W will make your case 65W hotter regardless of if it is 40 or 60c core temps
cursive summit
I virtually don't see any reason to slap a 212 on a low power CPU like 5600
The thing doesn't do much temperature to begin with
cursive summit
You are also given a completely adequate cooler to cool it
reef patrol
The thing doesn't do much temperature to begin with
My 5600x would like a word personally 😄
cursive summit
My 5600x would like a word personally 😄
I have the same thing rn running with stock cooler?
I don't see any problem
reef patrol
I don't see any problem
I think THAT is the problem here.
waxen hatch
so confused
reef patrol
How is 80 degrees a problem
Lower performance, higher noise levels.
cursive summit
You are literally throwing preferences into the mix
ashen spindle
Lower performance, higher noise levels.
same performance
cursive summit
It's not a problem for user nor technically
reef patrol
same performance
No. Just no.
ashen spindle
yes
cursive summit
Mansen, you are better than that
reef patrol
So are you both.
waxen hatch
It is not necessarily lower performance
pale sigil
You also heat up other shit with stock cooler
waxen hatch
mansen stop troll
pale sigil
true
ashen spindle
the heat load is the same
waxen hatch
Idling at 32c
pale sigil
ignore me
waxen hatch
:-)
pale sigil
Idling at 32c
idling at 28c 😉
waxen hatch
Hmmm
ashen spindle
anyway just make a list no point to see if stuff can be cheaper if we dont know if the rest is in budget or not
pale sigil
^
cursive summit
At this point you people make no sense
waxen hatch
is that so
ashen spindle
if you dont thermal throttle is does not matter if your temps say 30C or 80C
waxen hatch
idle is idle
reef patrol
Yes... yes it does sigh
ashen spindle
it does for noise sure
pale sigil
i hate the noise so i guess preference w.e
but you have to have it on constant load sounding ass
hated it so much
cursive summit
Yeah it seems people here are the ones who use headphones vs the ones who use speakers
As a headphone user I don't at all notice ambient sound
waxen hatch
speakers are cringe though
cursive summit
Those who don't I guess are sensitive to ambient noise
pale sigil
they sound awful
cursive summit
but stock coolers are to much
They are fine
waxen hatch
My pc is rather silent
marsh glade
I use my integrated monitor speakers 👍
cursive summit
I use my integrated monitor speakers 👍
Oh god forgive Mark for he has sinned
ashen spindle
on stock it does not do gpu like boosting where it uses temperature to deterministically boost higher
cursive summit
Oh god forgive Mark for he's a massive sinner
marsh glade
My keyboard is very Lekker
pale sigil
Was whjen i was doing nothing
marsh glade
...just a little bit dirty
pale sigil
And it was so so so loud
waxen hatch
Are the lekkers loud
Can you even lube
I guess they’re contactless actuation
so they can’t be too loud
reef patrol
Can you even lube
Yes? It's a 2HE with a fancy look.
ashen spindle
and the temps still dont make a relevant difference on stock settings
reef patrol
Indeed....
- Whatever cooler is installed matters when end user is not capable of swapping later without help.
- Lower temps with better cooler absolutely matters for boost clocks, this is not a topic of debate unless you want to argue with AMD over how this works 😛
- Better cooler, less noise. And as someone who used to build budget PCs, fuck the Ryzen stock cooler - it might be better than Intel's but not for anyone who sits next to their PC and actually expects to hear a game when you're pumping the cores hard.
pale sigil
@ashen spindle what type of mobo would you suggest
cursive summit
pale sigil
ofc not gigabyte
cursive summit
AMD really likes doing the Samsung thing
waxen hatch
X570 with passive cooling
cursive summit
ofc not gigabyte
Aorus
ashen spindle
whatever is cheap and has the IO that is needed
reef patrol
If people can learn - Then we wouldn't be doing prebuilt in the first place. Installing a cooler is typically one of the worst things to do as a newcomer.
cursive summit
whatever is cheap and has the IO that is needed
As far as I checked Aorus had a lot of IO
Especially USB
I don't see why you'd boycott Aorus boards
Some of the best AMD boards you can buy
ashen spindle
because gigabyte bios is the worst
if you give that to someone gl troubleshooting for them
cursive summit
it works well and is high quality
ashen spindle
nope
cursive summit
Aorus is widely regarded as some of the best boards
ashen spindle
no
cursive summit
The quality is up to par
BIOS I guess could be an issue but I barely go there, so I don't see much wrong
But the specs of those boards are really good
ashen spindle
with bios I mean have fun hoping XMP setting works
waxen hatch
Gigabyte gets more flak than they deserve these days
Apart from PSUs
I always go ASUS tho
pale sigil
cursive summit
Gigabyte gets more flak than they deserve these days
I'd also say fuck gigabyte displays
waxen hatch
They make some solid mobos for cheap
cursive summit
Samsung is the same price
pale sigil
3070 still $700 pounds ???
euros
reef patrol
its the same price
But are they the same latencies? Definitely dig into that.
pale sigil
Samsung is the same price
not on here
ashen spindle
euro price includes tax
waxen hatch
second hand is tax free
cursive summit
not on here
Oh really?
pale sigil
Oh really?
NOT
reef patrol
Yeah here in Euroland we pay around 20% in VAT depending on country.
cursive summit
THEN USE AMAZON
waxen hatch
That’s on there
pale sigil
I CANT
cursive summit
Why are you using some kind of build store
pale sigil
DID YOU NOT BLOODY READ
reef patrol
Look Vexx. If you want to fucking build the PC, go right ahead 😛
ashen spindle
vexx never reads we know that
waxen hatch
Loool
cursive summit
BUILD IT FOR SOMEONE ELSE THEN
waxen hatch
Vpn to US
cursive summit
CHEAPER
pale sigil
actually sorted
pale sigil
YE ILL GO TO THE NETHERLANDS
waxen hatch
Stop cappin
cursive summit
Wtf
reef patrol
Timeout - Erik and Calder livestreaming. Come back renewed after some smooth jazz.
pale sigil
im asking them if they can do nvme themselves
cursive summit
YE ILL GO TO THE NETHERLANDS
Why you building PCs for Vio
reef patrol
waxen hatch
For 1 and 2 TB
pale sigil
as for RAM
cursive summit
Oh lord I want it
pale sigil
They wanted RGB
cursive summit
They wanted RGB <:havo:975821613415157860>
Time to put them to an orphanage
waxen hatch
:-)
cursive summit
Anyone with RGB is dented
waxen hatch
My build all white with no led on
pale sigil
i have it but its not on, they were like 40 quid cheaper than any other ram at the time
I hate RGB
Any lights is off
cursive summit
For AMD I'd get TridentZ Royal as the best option
They do also come in pretty colours
Like full silver
cursive summit
Holy moly the DDR5 speed Royal is EXPENSIVO
DDR4-4800 is insanely fast though
What's the slowest DDR5?
pale sigil
gl getting royal on budget tho
reef patrol
Definitely not looking to swap my DDR4 Royals out anytime soon. I'll stick with 3600 for now.
pale sigil
so just to clarify something
She has sensory issues so sound is an issue, especially with stock.
waxen hatch
That number is not the only relevant one
Frequency is only half the goods
You need to know timings
cursive summit
@ashen spindleLogically speaking, shouldn't DDR4 with 4800MHz speeds and CL18 be a shit load faster than DDR5 4800MHz and CL40
CL18 is a lot faster than CL40
pale sigil
Now is there a better option for Intel here
cursive summit
Same frequency
ashen spindle
see if they have a noctua U14 as cooler that fan should be quiter
cursive summit
I need someone to explain me how DDR4-4800 CL18 is not just overwhelmingly superior than DDR5-4800 CL40
For that price I'd aim at an RX 6800 to be fair
pale sigil
why?
ashen spindle
yes, latency is in fact not the only thing that is relevant for ram, bandwidth is a big thing
tropic nacelle
Intel is better for games and productivity right now, assuming you are going DDR4 then platform cost is lower as well.
AMD is pretty close to Intel performance (7000 series) but is a higher initial cost due to motherboard and ddr5 costs, however you will get at least 2 more CPU generations so drop in upgrades down the line.
What games are key?
pale sigil
see if they have a noctua U14 as cooler that fan should be quiter
way more expensive
ashen spindle
Intel is better for games and productivity right now, assuming you are going DDR...
even the 12400f costs more than a 5600
cursive summit
DDR4-4800 CL18 should be on paper superior to DDR5-4800 CL40
pale sigil
@cursive summitAlso im pretty sure Vio can build her own shit
What do yall suggest for PSU on a budget
cursive summit
<@290176243544883200>Also im pretty sure Vio can build her own shit
Meh I wouldn't say that much
pale sigil
euros
cursive summit
What power do you need
Cause Nvidia > AMD haHAA
Power and budget is important@pale sigil
There is good stuff up to 100 but power's important
I'm guessing 560W should be good enough?
pale sigil
Power and budget is important<@171594634605232128>
well its only 3070/5600
ashen spindle
you can see the build so far, he posted the budget like 3 times
cursive summit
Look up how much is Fractal Ion+ Platinum
pale sigil
tbh i always default to nvidia
cursive summit
Or any of the Ions
The Platinum ones
Extremely good PSUs
They do sometimes go below 100 euros
cursive summit
You can't get anything better than that for less than 100
pale sigil
3080 still better
cursive summit
3080 still better
6800XT slaps 3080
crimson wigeon
but DLSS
ashen spindle
why dont you just look on the dutch website instead of your random prices that might be totally different
cursive summit
3080Ti is probably the most direct comparison for 6800xt
Okay let's not be that optimistic
It's more like a 3090
tropic nacelle
You can't make sweeping statement though, RDNA2 GPUs at similar pricing you will get a better game framerate in rasterization i.e no raytracing.
If you value the current crop of raytracing then obviously that weights on the value side
pale sigil
Anyway a 6700xt looks more rreasonable
crimson wigeon
BUT DLSS! You don't want to give that up! And RTX!
pale sigil
no DLSS is kinda rough though
pale sigil
tropic nacelle
Fsr2.1 is pretty close to DLSS now so I wouldnt really care about that element anymore, its small advantage these days
pale sigil
nice one
cursive summit
Good website design yah?
tropic nacelle
You can get a 6800xt on that site for similar price as the 3070 haha.
pale sigil
because of translate
pale sigil
You can get a 6800xt on that site for similar price as the 3070 haha.
may as well get a 6700xt though
gives a lot of leeway for case and psu
cursive summit
6750xt
pale sigil
thats a thing?
cursive summit
Yep
pale sigil
TIL
cursive summit
Mid-gen refreshes
tropic nacelle
may as well get a 6700xt though
Entirely your call, I missed your budget so no clue :). Check the 6750xt if it has it
cursive summit
And I have seen 5600 go down to 100 euros
pale sigil
Entirely your call, I missed your budget so no clue :). Check the 6750xt if it h...
1200
stark bobcat
Why are we buying 550W PSUs?
pale sigil
Why are we buying 550W PSUs?
no idea
cursive summit
Why are we buying 550W PSUs?
Cause they fit the bill
stark bobcat
550W is weak
cursive summit
For 3070 and 5600 you don't need more than this
I trust the calculator more than you
pale sigil
this does not account for everything else
cursive summit
It does, like fans, memory, storage, USB, etc
stark bobcat
Just because you don't need more than that doesn't mean you are at a good spot in the efficiency curve
cursive summit
According to calculator with a typical load you should not need more than 550W
Also, 100 euros
Good PSUs with higher wattages don't cost 100 euros
Seasonic being under 100 for that quality is great
One thing you don't want to cheap out on is the PSU, after all
ashen spindle
550w works for that pc I don’t see the issue
cursive summit
550w works for that pc I don’t see the issue
We are on the same footing today, idk what happened
stark bobcat
Wait it's a work pc?
cursive summit
Something must be wrong
ashen spindle
No it’s not a work pc, 550 works for that combo
230w or so for a 3070 65 for cpu and some scraps from the rest means gaming will maybe draw like 300W
cursive summit
You'd only run into issues if you want to run 6800XT or better really
Not really issues but at that point it'd probably start to not cope with spikes
I don't remember Pleasant mentioning it once
ashen spindle
cursive summit
Zuid-Oland
reef patrol
Netherlands, prebuilt or built on checkout*
cursive summit
Or whatever the name is in dutch
cursive summit
Get a proper case
pale sigil
im not getting that
tropic nacelle
I would definitely consider the 6800 over the 6700xt as it's similar price but is about 20% faster, makes a bigger difference longer term if you playing higher than 60fps as well.
6800xt is another jump but that starts hitting your budget more I think.
Don't get a 550w psu, people forget transient spikes and other components means this is a small power budget for a mid tier card at least!
Decent PSU will last a decade so you will use it in multiple pcs, get a 750w and move on in my opinion
pale sigil
i meant the look of the front
cursive summit
It looks fine
cursive summit
4000D is nice
cursive summit
It's not a Fractal torrent though
ashen spindle
550w is perfectly fine for transients spikes on that build if the gpu is a 3070
pale sigil
3080 got thrown out of the window
cursive summit
RTX 3070 is actually surprisingly efficient
long birch
any1 can afford that 4000 tho
cursive summit
When I saw the power consumption it's bottom of the list next to 1060s and stuff like that
Idk what Nvidia did to the 3070, but it's super dank when it comes to power efficiency
Corsair CV650 650 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply
Oh lord
ashen spindle
That list is not relevant because it needs to be one store
tropic nacelle
550w is perfectly fine for transients spikes on that build if the gpu is a 3070
Is it? The 3070 can hit 400w spikes, that leaves little in the budget imo
ashen spindle
400w means 150 left that is plenty
reef patrol
As always depends on the PSU quality and whether they write a lower wattage than the PSU actually handles.
See recent LTT video on topic.
tropic nacelle
For motherboard, CPU, ram, fans and loss factors in efficiency. Bit tight tbh!
pale sigil
6800 ruins the budget
ashen spindle
the cpu wont even hit max powerdarw if you game and are not cpu bound, if you do, then the gpu wont hit even close to 400w
ram is <10w
stark bobcat
I mean it'll run just fine tbh
cursive summit
6800 ruins the budget
You don't need more than a 6750XT
pale sigil
im just saying my options
cursive summit
And it'll still fit into the 550W PSU limit
stark bobcat
I just like to have a higher wattage psu for efficiency and in case I upgrade my psu
cursive summit
109 euros to build a PC tho
Wdym
tropic nacelle
109 euros to build a PC tho
Build it yourself? It's practically like lego
cursive summit
He can't
stark bobcat
Not a big deal when good PSUs last 10+ years
ashen spindle
I swear to god
cursive summit
It's not for him