If it's thermal limited you could set the offset to the moon and it will run.
#🔌│tech
astral haven
chances are theres an xoc bios that runs on your card
you already are in the overclocking server
if you have a bios switch theres no risk even
well
probably
not worlds best lel
its just very good
also heres some food for thought
potential 7990
top 10 for people who dont own 2 3090tis
its also not even in the top 100 if you include 3090s
if i could be a filthy cheater i would lel
i have a 1kw bios loaded on my 3rd bios position
dont use it tho even for oc
step 1 buy a kingpin or hof oclab
step 2 flick the switch
but wasnt a kingpin or hof ocl
you need both :/
sure but good luck booting
the core wont bootstrap an unsigned vbios
vagrant pagoda
nah
you can flash it on most 3090tis
if youre talking about the strix leaked bios
astral haven
you can flash it on most 3090tis
no i mean actually modded
vagrant pagoda
no i mean actually modded
there is a leaked signed 900w bios for 3090tis
astral haven
ye
and youd use this not the kp bc the kp is only supposed to work with 1 voltage controller
vagrant pagoda
yeah the hof and kp only work on those cards as they are very custom under the hood
astral haven
well not that custom lel
but the bioses are locked to 1 specific voltage controller of the 3 or 4 that are allowed
if you can run 4750 on your card you absolutely have a golden 3090ti lel
esp on air
a full 1500mhz over the current record on ln2
No it doesnt
Even if it tried the GPU is physically incapable of putting more than 12 volts on the core
It probably doesn't tho
The voltage controller probably only supports 1.8v
Might be a 2.5v option tho
astral haven
nice
also i forget who it was, i think @vagrant pagoda
the gddr on the 3090 uses 3w at idle and 100w at full load
the 3080 with less than half the memory chips uses alot less than 10 watts
yea i cant match that
my water itself is at 28 lmao
its not
lel
vagrant pagoda
yea i cant match that
my water itself is at 28 lmao
Is AC software any better these days?
astral haven
what
astral haven
the software isnt present on my computer atm i think
vagrant pagoda
But always hated the software
astral haven
i never used the software once i set it up
vagrant pagoda
You need the software for the remote to work completely so I always had it
astral haven
the quadro doesnt have a remote
astral haven
the point is you dont need the software on the quadro once its set up
it has alot of features tho that all seem to work as expected
and once renamed in the software it seems to save to the hardware
astral haven
yea thats a bit low lel
raw zephyr
new amd gpus look promising, even for people who record stuff, gotta wait for real world tests
reef patrol
Can't wait for Musk to wake up and realize he's breaking Cali employment laws with his mass downsizing of staff overnight 
latent mural
@latent mural
i came here to see if theres any drawback using the overclocking mode tachyon whatever its called
is it related to polling rate at all?
and this calculation are done in cpu or kbd
can u use without software in background?
<@&375234916776017933> is having the software running an requirement for tachyon? sry tag
i did ctrl+f search before tag
reef patrol
<@&375234916776017933> is having the software running an requirement for tachyon...
In the future please use our support forum. 🙂
#1019755933959733258
But no - As of right now nothing the keyboard does requires the Wootility app running. It's all in firmware. You only need Wootility to configure things.
mellow onyx
fuck, actually superior and i cant buy in my country
maybe there is a forwarding service you could use?
latent mural
yes i will, i use proxy, i live in brazil
but is bit sad that its a preorder process
reef patrol
Eh... let's wait and see what the reviews say.
shadow minnow
Though it looks like ray tracing performance is gonna suck again
idle wigeon
@latent mural I looked into some more details
ashen spindle
Yeah it won’t be Nvidia level but still better than lavalace
idle wigeon
and my NVME is actually a WD SSD
ashen spindle
Ehh better than ampere I meant
idle wigeon
I looked into comparing
WD the best one that they have the WD black SN850
is a lower cost then the NVME you talked about
Thats just from a website source with in depth about the device you told me about comparing others
with prices etc
shadow minnow
Yeah it won’t be Nvidia level but still better than lavalace
Well the ray tracing from what they claim is gonna be as much better as normal performance.
So same % performance loss enabling ray tracing as RDNA2 which makes it not an option if you want to use RT
ashen spindle
ehh no because it's stil less of a penalty and your base fps is higher
30fps less at 50 hurts more than 20fps less at 100
but we'll have to wait for some actual numbers
shadow minnow
It’s gonna be more like 20 less at 50 and 40 less at 100 comparison from their slides.
But yeah, without actual numbers hard to say.
idle wigeon
After looking at the pic they showed and say the parts are corsair
I can most definitely say its this
for the memory
about 64GB of ram
so 2 orders of that
ashen spindle
do you need more than 32gb?
idle wigeon
@ashen spindle depending on the projects for modaling blender work and animations for video production for content
Yes
mainly the pc is for everyone's use
so video animation and such like that for youtube content better memory is better
ashen spindle
makes sense then, you just will most likely not see it run at 6000Mbps though
idle wigeon
Idk why they got corsir
most likely cause of RGB lighting
Since I did want to style my pc
to fit the theme of a galaxy
true
Idk man pretty much all the stuff is finshed
its not prebuilt
its a custom build
This wasn't assumabled before sold
this was paid by me first
before being assumabled
meaning its not prebuilt
Plus it's going to be colored and designed
Unlike prebuilds that doesn't have designs that you want on it like
your own organization themed galaxy on the case
why I said custom build
gonna get some rest now
ashen spindle
shadow minnow
Now that is interesting
Also since it seems to have better internal construction than the nvidia one
One 12VPHWR is about as good as two 8 pins with good quality cables. Or probably 3 with smaller gauge cables.
ashen spindle
oh and it handily beats the m1 ultra btw, 5.3 Tb/s of bandwidth if more than twice of the m1 interconnect 😛
shadow minnow
oh and it handily beats the m1 ultra btw, 5.3 Tb/s of bandwidth if more than twi...
What does?
shadow minnow
5.3 and 53 is a small difference
shadow minnow
Yeah it is faster than that. Though it’s cache so not entirely the same thing.
ashen spindle
yeah it makes it even more impressive because it has to travel more lol
also jfc amd is able to make these cards at such a lower prices if you compare 4090 size vs n31
cursive summit
halcyon moss
ok, i wont click the bait.. what?
cursive summit
Thermistor
Apparently it measures air intake temperature somehow
And you can fuck with it to make cool custom air presets
For fans
ashen spindle
basically you can have case temp sensors without having to buy some expensive things
so you know if you set up a new fan if it was the wrong way if it increased case temps etc.
halcyon moss
or measure intake air temp? nice
vocal cipher
anybody know what to do for this error on ventura update?
tried couple of times but the same error always, has enough space too
halcyon moss
with the red texts?
cursive summit
Right
I would definitely buy these over the 7900XTX
Why not spend like 600 euros extra
wheat plume
Valve seem to be working on Peer to Peer transfer between Steam Clients.... FUCK YEAH
Wireless transfers of games between Deck and computer will be possible then
cursive summit
Peer to peer?
Torrent style?
That would be amazing for download speeds
I hope it's only for LAN though
wheat plume
Id imagine so, even just purely for licensing and DRM purposes
halcyon moss
stemdeck to desktop distribution would be nice
vagrant pagoda
Id imagine so, even just purely for licensing and DRM purposes
Steam has DRm built in, so peer to peer is fine
Loads of games use P2P for updates.
astral haven
I don't 😦
cursive summit
I am kind of happy with the XTX performance
It's about similar or just a bit slower
At what, half price?
cursive summit
Huh apparently the results are skewed on TPU
Regardless, early December will be interesting
I hope EU pricing is not shit
ashen spindle
you can already make the conversion for price
it will be the same as always, conversion and like idk 20bucks ton top
- AiB prices are bit higher
astral haven
I am glad tho that AMD didn't pretend to compete with the 4090
But it really seems like Nvidia got it spot on, I thought the 4090 was cut down too much but full n31 doesn't even seem to match this cut down ad102...
And that's not to mention the raytracing not keeping up with their raster improvements
cursive summit
Now I want to know how RX 7950 X3D will look
In processors it makes a big deal
In GPUs?
latent mural
me after you dont realise not everyone has 1000 euros let alone 1900
astral haven
Now I want to know how RX 7950 X3D will look
Overclocked 7900xtx
astral haven
they are not bandwith limited
*most likely
Not certainly
ashen spindle
ok, based on the data we got assuming there is not some fuckery 😛 it wont do much
ashen spindle
and?
crimson wigeon
wh omegalul
tropic nacelle
Who cares?
cursive summit
The lad that said that "AMD RT perf will go over 2x"
Which... it didn't, it seems
ashen spindle
so leaker with very spotty track record removed account
tropic nacelle
Shocked I say
ashen spindle
so.. who cares
tropic nacelle
I don't know why people give so much time to rumours, it makes no difference.
Just stop giving it airtime, people make money from just lying. Why waste your time on it.
cursive summit
I don't know why people give so much time to rumours, it makes no difference.
...
Tell that to people who still make headlines after Moore's law is dead posts a video
Greymon at least seemed somewhat reliable
ashen spindle
you're the one who brings those up the most here lmfao
tropic nacelle
Tell that to people who still make headlines after Moore's law is dead posts a v...
Got MLID guy is just so irritatingly bad.
I have more credibility saying RDNA4 will be 40x faster than rdna3.
Source: trust me bro
lethal harness
Who cares, i hate that i have to buy Nvidia for their Cuda cores to train neural networks and shit
tropic nacelle
Maybe it's an age thing but in the last few years it's seemed stupid to even give these the time of day
astral haven
Greymon at least seemed somewhat reliable
It's all the same bs sources, greymon was just more competent at removing the unbelievable nonsense
Both are using the same "sources"
lethal harness
I wish AMD sells like crazy and performs very well
vagrant pagoda
I don't think GPU market is cooled enough to not sell good
astral haven
I wish AMD sells like crazy and performs very well
All I hope is the drivers are solid
tropic nacelle
Who cares, i hate that i have to buy Nvidia for their Cuda cores to train neural...
Yeah if you use CUDA you are kinda stuck there, although AMD made some brief mention of AI improvements but I doubt it will be enough to move over.
They are really consumer boards = gaming
Commercial boards = compute
These days anyway
tropic nacelle
Did they change their logo? I thought it was a Chinese knock-off but that might just be me haha
cursive summit
It totally wasn't me who convinced Tony to get that specific model
cursive summit
Did they change their logo? I thought it was a Chinese knock-off but that might ...
It's been like that for a little while, I think?
I can't say I like how emo it looks though
shadow minnow
Imo it looks shrek not emo
cursive summit
I still like the brand logo of my mic the most
tropic nacelle
Optimised for critical listening though, hopefully you can criticise everything you hear now 🙂
tropic nacelle
They make good av recievers and amps.
cursive summit
Wait, wait
Marantz do make headphones?
They made headphones back in 70s
But they still make them
They look similar to Shures
I wonder if they come from a similar factory
Oh fuck off MLID
tropic nacelle
They don't really do headphones anymore though. I don't think they did well
cursive summit
Today we analyze marketing stuff
And talk about a product that's 2 years out in the future
tropic nacelle
So he will copy and paste the graphs people on Reddit have done with TPU chats with AMD claims.
Solid work.
cursive summit
I wonder what he'll be saying about RDNA4
ashen spindle
you know if you just stop mentioning him, it will mean less exposure for him, what you are doing is how he can make this into a job lmao
tropic nacelle
I wonder what he'll be saying about RDNA4
That it's faster than RDNA3. Nothing new
tropic nacelle
The real question is why do you read his Twitter
tropic nacelle
Ah I see, I'm glad I don't use Twitter as I generally avoid seeing these pointless people haha
cursive summit
I don't even have a twitter account
but there are some cool people on there
So it doesn't hurt to check out twitter like once every few days
tropic nacelle
It's like worse than Facebook these days, there are some useful people on it just a shame there are so many real idiots on it as well !
fair gull
well i like em already
cursive summit
It's like worse than Facebook these days, there are some useful people on it jus...
The only reason I ever turn on facebook is to check out the marketplace
A lot of peeps tend to flip their stuff for cheap
cursive summit
well i like em already
Solid, how are they?
tropic nacelle
well i like em already
What did you have before?
cursive summit
He said Astros A50s
fair gull
What did you have before?
well i did have some hd sixhundos before
but they are gone in the wind
(i just lost em when moving somehow)
cursive summit
Try to get Dag to sell you his HD800 for cheap
fair gull
and my astro a50 was just a standin for comfort cause wireless at home while gaming
i dont game much anymore tho
but for travel headphones these shure will be what i wanted
sound nice
fit well
and cable
tropic nacelle
I liked my a50s gen 3 or whatever. I have recently gone full circle again though.
Used to always buy "decent" headphones for my budget and then went wireless and enjoyed it for a few years it was a great change.
I then questioned it and then did an impulse buy of a secondhand topping a90 and a schiit bifrost 2 to go with some hifi ananda headphones.
Can't go back now haha
fair gull
I liked my a50s gen 3 or whatever. I have recently gone full circle again though...
i have the gen3 and for gaming and wireless they are awesome
nice fit and theres some really really nice sounding eq profiles out there
i just mainly wanna get back some good headphones for listening to music and stuff due to the decline in my gaming time
tropic nacelle
The best feature I miss is discord volume control, it was great to be able to change the volume from game and discord chats when things change rather than faffing with windows volume slider or the game
astral haven
Wireless > wired since the hd220
halcyon moss
listening to laptop speakers when a dt770 lies next to me
astral haven
Valuation is imaginary money
cursive summit
No, and not interested either
astral haven
I know you haven't because basically no one did because they were too expensive
tropic nacelle
Wireless > wired since the hd220
Wireless being better than wired? Depends entirely on use case but generally wireless is a compromise, quality is less but portability and lack of wire is better for a lot of people
astral haven
Wireless being better than wired? Depends entirely on use case but generally wir...
Not the Sennheiser digital wireless systems
cursive summit
Cable never bothered me, when they sound as good as my K702s then I will consider wireless not shit anymore
astral haven
Full lossless digital wireless with solid amplification
astral haven
Cable never bothered me, when they sound as good as my K702s then I will conside...
The hdr220 are likely solidly better than the k702
cursive summit
Yeah no
astral haven
Considering that's the consensus on hd600 and the hdr220 are literally identical to hd600s
Besides being heavier and better pads
tropic nacelle
Full lossless digital wireless with solid amplification
How does that work then? I guess price wise is a thing as well.
It must have some latency still so music ok but video and games?
cursive summit
Although I did see someone selling Ananda-BTs for 500$ recently
I should take a look if they are still available
astral haven
How does that work then? I guess price wise is a thing as well.
It must have so...
Why would it have latency?
tropic nacelle
Why would it have latency?
Wireless? It has latency on transmission
astral haven
Why?
tropic nacelle
Because physics?
astral haven
Why?
ashen spindle
yeah about the same latency as you get on a cable lol
astral haven
yeah about the same latency as you get on a cable lol
This
ashen spindle
cables are also a distance and not instant teleportation
halcyon moss
wireless != bluetooth
wheat plume
last time I had BT headphones, the sound never got sent to them in games and sometimes when it did, it was laggy and barely worked..
cursive summit
That's just bluetooth
It's really not good
I guess if you have your own contemporary wireless standard it might be better
ashen spindle
if you understand those graphs thats the one I have and that's like 12 year old stuff
lethal harness
Bluetooth has served me well. I had EarStudio ES100 MK2 for like a year and a half before they broke. The plastic casing could not handle my use. Now i think two years on Qudelix 5k
I'm tall so running a cable to my phone is awkward, so i go with a portable bluetooth dac/amp combo so i can run the cable to that
and have my phone in my pocket
tropic nacelle
But most non Bluetooth wireless headphones have inherit latency, it's less but it is present.
Like the a50s are wireless and have 15ms as one of the fastest wireless ones to my knowledge (with compromises for it).
If you have normal wired it's essentially 0ms no?
I take back what I said in general though, I will leave it as a question for high framerate gaming though as a potential issue. Be great for music though.
Still don't see how it's better than wired on quality as you aren't limited by amp and DAC being built in so you can make a better loop overall.
Again came to compromise as I said, portability for quality, it's a much less difference on that specific one but it's still a compromise
ashen spindle
that idk, I just know that I dont notice any form of delay in csgo at 175hz with them or some cable headphones
astral haven
But most non Bluetooth wireless headphones have inherit latency, it's less but i...
That's only the newer ones that literally use Bluetooth under the bood
halcyon moss
latency does not matter that much when listening to music 🤷
ashen spindle
granted I only compared with shitty hyperx cloud something and idk how good they are
astral haven
But most non Bluetooth wireless headphones have inherit latency, it's less but i...
The analog chain is shorter, and the entire loop is exactly known, the amps can be tuned to provide exactly the desired signal
As long as you aren't throwing away data, it's the same as building a dac into the headset, and you have the advantage of not having any electric interference, only emi which is alot easier to charqcterize
the only disadvantage is if you have an originally analog signal you have to convert it to digital first, which is why quin's headphones exist where the wireless signal is fully analog
there because theres no dac in the headphones, they have actually speed of light latency
the hdr220 are the latency of the dac, which is the same as an external dac would be
ashen spindle
dont even remember how I ended up with these, dont think someone recommended them and I just tried them because it seemed good
so I got kinda lucky getting a good pair lmao
tropic nacelle
the hdr220 are the latency of the dac, which is the same as an external dac woul...
Makes sense that the DAC aspect is the main reason in the context of non Bluetooth ones like you mentioned.
I assume the reason the likes of rtings show 0ms for wired is because there is an additional hop from audio port to DAC then headphones that is adding the difference as well.
astral haven
no, because there are headphones that do analog to digital conversion and do internal processing
they show 0ms because they cant (more likely just dont care) about measuring under .1ms
tropic nacelle
They do test it but maybe not in the decimals.
So it be the fact the headphones tend to bypass/turn off their additional audio processing when wired in instead of wireless. Like you can with av receivers, turn off signal processing and just straight pass through reducing latency as it just hands off.
tropic nacelle
Yeah makes sense that way thanks.
I wonder why no real headphones did lossless audio wireless like the sennhiser for pc then, seems like a missed opportunity.
Audeze Penrose audio system is pretty bad but the headphones are meant to be good. Always a compromise on bandwidth when it seems like sennhiser already done it.
Maybe it's a sad patent thing or I miss a logical reason
astral haven
Yeah makes sense that way thanks.
I wonder why no real headphones did lossless a...
One of the side gens of the Astro series did have it
It's called kleer
ashen spindle
Well, hopefully, RDNA4 will bring the RT throughput 2X-4X per compute unit. With the next generation in 2024, expectedly, NVIDIA will essentially create a revolution within the industry, by enabling fully RT/Path-Traced gaming experiences at native 4K60
man the amount of insanity some people have, nvidia beats rdna3 by a bit and now they think that shows how nvidia can suddenly just 10x the performance next gen??
cursive summit
> Well, hopefully, RDNA4 will bring the RT throughput 2X-4X per compute unit. Wi...
Who?
ashen spindle
nobody important
cursive summit
Is it the usual?
junior ore
Makes me wonder how much quantum stuff will make things interesting once its past the baby steps
stark bobcat
Uhm do you mean for personal computing? If so not within our lifetime I suspect
stark bobcat
500mhz is nothing to sneeze at
If it were to reach that number
Which without exotic cooling feels unlikely to me
ashen spindle
remember they have two different clocks now
frontend and shader clock
so could be for either one which would have different effects and scales differently
so might do 2% or 20%, likely on the lower side
tropic nacelle
It's possible that AMD decided not to clock it within an inch of its life again.
They get called out for poor power efficiency for cards like Vega 64 but that was in part due to them clocking it so high trying to match/beat Nvidia halo cards at the expense of efficiency.
It's why Vega on mobile and lower power devices was excellent, even the desktop cards when clocked down to their peak efficiency point were decent.
They get called out for doing that and then also get called out for not matching a much more expensive card so lose lose.
Gives partners room to do overclocked models though and a potential 7970XTX 3ghz edition haha
(Of course this could all be a lie and it just really is peak clocks for most working die yields)
stark bobcat
Honestly now that electricity prices are an issue in europe I actually care how much my gpu consumes
tropic nacelle
Yeah it is a little more important this generation I think
stark bobcat
Before it was more like: "oh this'll keep me warm in the winter"
ashen spindle
honestly if I were AMD I would wait for the 4080 release then give first party perf/W numbers
sharp badger
Yeah i think it'll be more like 4080 vs 7900
tropic nacelle
When is the 4080 out? Wasn't that this month, I assume we will see soon.
It's probably why AMD didn't compare it as they can only go off Nvidia numbers at the moment
ashen spindle
nov 16
stark bobcat
What's the price of the 4080?
ashen spindle
so if they beat it, show numbers that beat the 4080, then show how much more efficent it is vs 4090, so you hide that you lose in raw performance but still make valid claims
1200
stark bobcat
So amd stays winning on price
ashen spindle
its not priced at anything yet since its not released yet
placeholder prices can be just that, placeholder
so we can just compare MSRP
sharp badger
I've found a 4080 TUF for 1509€ and it's release date is 16.11
tropic nacelle
Not long then, I think AMD has taken a bit out of Nvidia sails with rdna3 but only for the 4080.
On rasterization it looks like it will be 10 - 20% behind 4090 but is 600 dollars cheaper.
Ray tracing is obviously the big one still, looks like it's near 3090ti which is ok but in context if you use most raytracing games then you have to consider that.
The 4090 16gb is much less than the 4090, it had what like 60% less shaders or something so it's already cut down significantly from it and is still $200 more than AMD.
RDNA3 sits comfortably in between 4080 and 4090 it looks like
sharp badger
Acording to the website
ashen spindle
and 1500€ is pretty much msrp, but could still change till the release on the 16th
sharp badger
Yeah and with AMD revealing their prices might make Nvidia change things up
Probably not but
sharp badger
yeh
ashen spindle
tbh they could afford it, they are so much cheaper to make than a 4090 lol
could be half the BOM depending on some numbers, but I assume someone with more info will make a video about that soon that would be interresting
sharp badger
Yep we'll see
tropic nacelle
The 4090 has 68% more CUDA cores than the 4080 16gb...it's incredible as it's also the same clockspeed so there is definitely a big drop in performance and won't be made up by clock speed.
It's definitely miles ahead of the 4080 but less than the 4090
shadow minnow
At Finland it's priced from 1800 - 2000€
Pretty crazy since 4090s could have been gotten for under 2000€
tropic nacelle
Can't imagine Nvidia keeping the price when it's $200 more than AMD.
Makes sense why they pulled the 12gb 4060 tier card haha
stark bobcat
Nvidia can do Nvidia thing and sell things at prices I'd deem too high
People will still buy it
Just because "it's the best available" in an absolute sense
shadow minnow
Intel arc better value than nvidia GPUs
ashen spindle
idk amd has a lot more capacity now and nvidia doesnt want to lose marketshare
intel is losing to price cuts on old gen parts lmfao
sharp badger
Pretty crazy since 4090s could have been gotten for under 2000€
Yeah but the prices might change when they're closer to release 😅
stark bobcat
Maybe we'll see. I think they'll keep a premium price on their halo product
shadow minnow
Wdym?
tropic nacelle
I mean Nvidia is the apple of GPUs, they have correctly spent their time marketing and making it know they are kings on every aspect of it so the basic consumer will just pick it because the halo card won.
They incorrectly assume because the top tier card beats another top tier card that ALL their cards must be good
ashen spindle
Maybe we'll see. I think they'll keep a premium price on their halo product
sure but 4080 costing 200 more for less isn't a premium they can afford really, if it loses to the 7900xtx, or 300 if it also ties the XT
stark bobcat
Yeah I'm only talking about the 4090
tropic nacelle
It helps that they actually manage the performance crown, they didn't sit on their hands unlike Intel Vs AMD in the cpu market
shadow minnow
I would tbh argue Intel is more like apple than nvidia
stark bobcat
Should have made that clear
astral haven
none of these companies are like apple tho
like actually
nvidia natively supports 3rd parties
tropic nacelle
Marketing, first party and proprietary standards to leverage market position.
Sounds like apple to me in a way 🙂
astral haven
and a huge pile of stuff is available on github too
sharp badger
The 4090 prices are from 1999,90 - 2799,90€ and there's 2 KFA2 4090s in stock at 2599,90€
astral haven
Marketing, first party and proprietary standards to leverage market position.
S...
nvidias marketing actually includes methodologies that could theoretically produce the numbers they say
tropic nacelle
I mean Nvidia business practices over the decade have been to strongarm their position and not really "open" standards.
I don't blame them as they are a business, AMD has to do the opposite to get technology adopted but still it's not ideal
astral haven
apples marketing is all about the feeling
ashen spindle
if the only requirement to be an apple is to not have your entire stack be open source, then we have a lot of apple companies suddenly
astral haven
if the only requirement to be an apple is to not have your entire stack be open ...
this
tropic nacelle
apples marketing is all about the *feeling*
Yep, but Nvidia successfully marketed raytracing as a must have to feel good with GPUs even when they couldn't achieve usable framerates on their first gen.
astral haven
Yep, but Nvidia successfully marketed raytracing as a must have to feel good wit...
but
they literally could?
frozen ingot
laughs in RTX2060
astral haven
just because you didnt like the framerate target of 1080p30 on a 2060 and 1440p60 on a 2080ti, doesnt mean it wasnt fully useable
ashen spindle
the difference is apple slide are showing the basic m1 outperform a 3090 while using only 15w lmfao, nvidia might use dlss and all but it makes some sense at least
astral haven
the difference is apple slide are showing the basic m1 outperform a 3090 while u...
yap
tropic nacelle
Apple so actually produce good hardware though, and market it very well to think people need X and it's the most important thing since they were born.
I feel like Nvidia manages the same things these days
astral haven
Apple so actually produce good hardware though, and market it very well to think...
do they?
or do they produce good software?
the answer is neither
they produce synergistic software and hardware that makes "both" look good
tropic nacelle
do they?
Yes? They do both good software and hardware.
You can't deny it really, there are designs I don't agree with but technically their chips are beyond the competition and the phones surrounding hardware is well made.
astral haven
Yes? They do both good software and hardware.
You can't deny it really, there ...
are they?
tropic nacelle
they produce synergistic software and hardware that makes "both" look good
So a good product?
Software and hardware are both very important, sum of its parts and all that.
astral haven
product yes
but hardware and software individually? no way
their hardware and software are independently pretty
but they are not independently great
they are low functionality on their own
tropic nacelle
Nah I think you are mistaken here.
Their mobile chips are significantly ahead of Qualcomm and Samsung designs, hardware is better fundamentally.
astral haven
Nah I think you are mistaken here.
Their mobile chips are significantly ahead o...
ah but its not
its significantly less capable
but
tropic nacelle
its ***significantly less capable***
Care to explain?
astral haven
what it is capable of its significantly better optimized for
astral haven
Care to explain?
it just doesnt have general accelerators
it has accelerators for exactly the tasks it needs
tropic nacelle
But you want your phone to do phone things, why does it matter that it can't do something outside of its remit?
astral haven
because i for example need my phone to output video over its charging connector?
the iphone has exactly 1 video clockgen
the iphones also have exactly the camera isp ports for the number of cameras the flagship of that gen has
the video codec support on the iphone is also relatively limited
compared to the other vendors vpus
tropic nacelle
I don't see how that's a problem?
It doesn't make the hardware bad, it is great hardware for what it needs to do.
It's faster in browser rendering, video recording, gaming.
Can you not output video??
astral haven
like you may not care, but its only because ios doesnt/cant use these capabilities that it doesnt matter
astral haven
I don't see how that's a problem?
It doesn't make the hardware bad, it is great...
the hardware itself is specialized
stark bobcat
Still tho in games iPhone while get higher framerates
astral haven
the product overall is good
astral haven
Still tho in games iPhone while get higher framerates
not doom
ashen spindle
basically it's easier to make A better if you dont have to use any chip area for B because you dont implement B
astral haven
not quake
tropic nacelle
Yes it's optimised for its use case and the general use case. This makes it better at the tasks it's doing than a general Qualcomm Snapdragon SoC.
astral haven
Still tho in games iPhone while get higher framerates
because you arent allowed to run doom and quake
stark bobcat
Cmon man u know damn well I'm talking about regular ass mobile games that run on both android and ios
tropic nacelle
I'm not arguing about the walled garden and restrictions they impose for more sales as I hate apples business practices.
It's why I can't use apple, I only have to use it when building and shipping apps on iOS at work as I'm forced to 😞
astral haven
Cmon man u know damn well I'm talking about regular ass mobile games that run on...
yes but there are plenty of games that outright dont run on ios...
stark bobcat
Yeah it's a shame
astral haven
apple locks the software down so you cant expose the weaknesses of the hardware
which is fantastic for a product
but the soc itself isnt magically more capable
tropic nacelle
No they lock it so you are forced into their services. it's fantastic for sales 😄
They still make great hardware.
What you are arguing is not my point.
You may as well be saying my microwave can't be a good microwave because it doesn't have an oven function built in. But others do.
stark bobcat
I don't see why other games wouldn't run well on iPhone as well as long as they are ported natively
astral haven
yep its a win win win at least for apple
astral haven
They still make great hardware.
What you are arguing is not my point.
You may ...
you said their chips are beyond the competition
that is incorrect
tropic nacelle
I said they make great hardware and you said no.
I then also said they are ahead of Qualcomm which they are.
astral haven
I said they make great hardware and you said no.
I then also said they are ahea...
yes
no
astral haven
I said they make great hardware and you said no.
I then also said they are ahea...
products are not just hardware
stark bobcat
They also do get acces to the newest node every time tho
tropic nacelle
And the hardware is also great?
astral haven
the hardware is good enough
tropic nacelle
This is what I don't get your argument for saying no. It does what it sets out to do in a better way, it's good it's competent.
I'll hate on apple all day but you are really being pedantic here on the actual point ages ago xD
astral haven
This is what I don't get your argument for saying no. It does what it sets out t...
you are thinking of the product
ashen spindle
basically, you are saying their hardware is ahead of qualcom, but it's more that their score in certain tests are higher becuase they are specialized for that
astral haven
basically, you are saying their hardware is ahead of qualcom, but it's more that...
this
ashen spindle
so if you say they have the higher score on benchmark X, sure, that does not come as a result of hardware better in general
tropic nacelle
basically, you are saying their hardware is ahead of qualcom, but it's more that...
Render a webpage faster on phone X than Y, it's good hardware at the tasks it does.
astral haven
so if you say they have the higher score on benchmark X, sure, that does not com...
yep
ashen spindle
Render a webpage faster on phone X than Y, it's good hardware at the tasks it do...
yes, you are correct, for the task, not as hardware vs hardware comparison
tropic nacelle
But the actual generalised tests are faster, it may have features lopped off it but it does the tasks you need
astral haven
Render a webpage faster on phone X than Y, it's good hardware at the tasks it do...
my android renders webpages 2-3 seconds faster than my iphone does
and it takes the iphone 2-3 seconds
tropic nacelle
my android renders webpages 2-3 seconds faster than my iphone does
Android is OS ,not the hardware though 🙂
astral haven
Android is OS ,not the hardware though 🙂
ok my s21u
tropic nacelle
What browser is that with as Samsung allow others.
tropic nacelle
But again, hardware is more than just the chip. The enter phone is hardware
tropic nacelle
do you know why?
Because chrome is the IE of the modern day and ignores standards? 🙂
astral haven
But again, hardware is more than just the chip. The enter phone is hardware
yes and its not the fault of the a14, its explicitly an intentional ios optimization
astral haven
Because chrome is the IE of the modern day and ignores standards? 🙂
i use chrome on the iphone too
ashen spindle
basically if you could translate the hardware architecture into a score, apple's score would be lower because while they have a bigger number in one test, they lack/ignore other parts
so it does it's part well, but if you say you look at the hardware standalone, it's not ahead
astral haven
Because chrome is the IE of the modern day and ignores standards? 🙂
the actual reason is that my s21 keeps the webpage loaded in the background so that when i click on chrome its already open
the iphone on the other hand yeets it nearly as soon as you open another app
stark bobcat
I didn't know iPhones did that lmfao
ashen spindle
basically compare it to the intel gpus, not great as all around, but in certain tasks it smokes the competition, that's how apple made their chips, by removing everything that would show up as not winning
astral haven
I didn't know iPhones did that lmfao
it depends on how much ram the app uses
tropic nacelle
so it does it's part well, but if you say you look at the hardware standalone, i...
I did originally say apple makes good hardware generally and was told no. That covers compute chips and the actually phone which is all "hardware" which is why the point was being picked apart wrongly.
astral haven
Yes? They do both good software and hardware.
You can't deny it really, there ...
"technically their chips are beyond the competition"
stark bobcat
As a person who's browser always shows the tab number as 😄 this is interesting lol
astral haven
As a person who's browser always shows the tab number as 😄 this is interesting ...
each tab is separate in chrome
so on both my s21 and iphone the background tabs get yeeted
stark bobcat
True but it seems to still have some sort of preview snapshot saved
It's much better that way anyway
tropic nacelle
the actual reason is that my s21 keeps the webpage loaded in the background so t...
I mean this is apple being a walled garden and its own OS choices.
Your Google Chrome on iOS is using WebKit rendering not blink that Google uses.
This is forced by apple to keep control of it all.
Apple force things to be saved when switched task instead of running generally for power optimisation
astral haven
I did originally say apple makes good hardware generally and was told no. That c...
but again its more that they make specialized hardware with software that doesnt use the weaknesses of the hardware so the PRODUCTS are great
tropic nacelle
Specialised hardware can be good hardware no???
astral haven
and also i dont dispute that the hardware is good
the hardware is "good" its just not "great" or "the best"
astral haven
I'd say it's the best for certain people
the products
tropic nacelle
Ok I said they do both good software and hardware and you kept saying do they? And said no haha
astral haven
I'd say it's the best for certain people
the hardware itself definetly isnt the best
stark bobcat
If people do not use the weaknesses of the hardware it basically does not exist
astral haven
Ok I said they do both good software and hardware and you kept saying do they? A...
the first time you said good was 2 minutes ago
before that all you said was great and the best
stark bobcat
So for the right person apple hardware is the best
astral haven
So for the right person apple hardware is the best
apple products
dont say hardware
tropic nacelle
the first time you said good was 2 minutes ago
before that all you said was grea...
4:48 mate. "Yes? They do both good software and hardware.
You can't deny it really, there are designs I don't agree with but technically their chips are beyond the competition and the phones surrounding hardware is well made."
Ok I'll stop now it's pointless I don't know why I waste effort on a silly point overall let's get back to other tech talk
stark bobcat
These 2 are inseparable in that context
astral haven
These 2 are inseparable in that context
so just say products
stark bobcat
Semantics
astral haven
yes
stark bobcat
Tomato tomato
tropic nacelle
If I get you a phone it's technically hardware and software it doesn't have to called a product
ashen spindle
oh I just got my email I send to myself exactly one year ago about what the rumours said back then
funny how well it was timed with the amd launch
not perfect accuracy but hey, thank fuck the 3k pricepoint didnt happen lmfao
stark bobcat
funny how well it was timed with the amd launch
Lol
tropic nacelle
oh I just got my email I send to myself exactly one year ago about what the rumo...
Ada Lovelace and rDNA 3 cure world hunger and cancer?? That be the best rumours haha
astral haven
not perfect accuracy but hey, thank fuck the 3k pricepoint didnt happen lmfao
spot on besides navi 33 tbh
tropic nacelle
Think you should start a YouTube channel with that, yearly "leaks" haha
ashen spindle
nvidia is not above 450, but it was more about amd having better power draw numbers so it being 355 instead makes up for there being an >
astral haven
actually i didnt see that 3k
why did you think that?
ashen spindle
idk I dont remember where I got leaks one year ago from lol
stark bobcat
nvidia is not above 450, but it was more about amd having better power draw numb...
The 450 we'll give u as it's not that far off
ashen spindle
but that was with performance more being like 2.7 rather than 1.7
tropic nacelle
Well if mining didn't die along with the energy crisis I'm pretty sure that was at least a possibility albeit tiny
ashen spindle
I think once we get AiB models and see how much they get from memory oc and such we can see if a refresh on top seems realistic or not
tropic nacelle
Why would it be pain? It is the flagship. Maybe a 7970 next year
astral haven
im coming around to 3 link 384b total bus between 2 dies but id much prefer 2 link 512b dual die
stark bobcat
Idk what else amd would have they already used the most expensive letter twice
astral haven
Why would it be pain? It is the flagship. Maybe a 7970 next year
nvidia has another 20ish% perf available above the 4090
ashen spindle
ehhhh
tropic nacelle
Is that Nvidia figures? Haha
astral haven
Is that Nvidia figures? Haha
no thats math
ashen spindle
12% of the cores are disabled but they wont scale to 12% more perf
astral haven
12% more sms and 9% more memory bandwidth
along with a siiiignficant amount of cache
tropic nacelle
It's a massive die they probably don't have enough usable full dies to use yet.
It also won't be cheaper than the 4090 it will just be a TI with small gains
stark bobcat
Why would it be cheaper?
astral haven
its aloooot larger than 3090 to ti
astral haven
Why would it be cheaper?
it wont be if theres nothing to compete with
ashen spindle
yeah but it would have to reduce clocks to keep more cores up even if power draw goes up
astral haven
the 1080ti was an absolute monster thanks to nvidia misjudging how good vega would be
stark bobcat
Like why would Nvidia ever sell a higher bin for less
astral haven
Like why would Nvidia ever sell a higher bin for less
1080ti again
tropic nacelle
the 1080ti was an absolute monster thanks to nvidia misjudging how good vega wou...
I mean that's not them misjudging AMD that's just them executing a great design plan in the years it takes
astral haven
They wouldn't have sold it so cheap if they thought vega would be ass
yes
so if amd doesnt have anything over the 7900xtx then that would be pain
stark bobcat
Eh 4090 can be expensive for all I care
ashen spindle
I mean that's not them misjudging AMD that's just them executing a great design ...
no the point is a 1080ti could've been a thing with like 5% less cores active for the same price, ofc not a completely different design
astral haven
be better if it wasnt
stark bobcat
I want reasonable video cards to be affordable
astral haven
be better if the 4090 was affordable
tropic nacelle
no the point is a 1080ti could've been a thing with like 5% less cores active fo...
Yeah but to beat it they just enabled what was possible and sold them with a nice price tag premium.
If the design wasn't good for a fully working die then it wouldn't exist. didn't matter than Vega was off the mark for it to be possible
ashen spindle
no it wasnt fully enabled lol
tropic nacelle
I miss Hawaii days
astral haven
Yeah but to beat it they just enabled what was possible and sold them with a nic...
the 1080ti was 11/12ths of a full core lel
almost exactly
ashen spindle
was like 93% or so
stark bobcat
Eh 🤷♂️ that thing is a powerhog would be nice if humanity as a whole could reduce our usage instead of increasing it
astral haven
they were already selling a full core at that point
tropic nacelle
I meant is a full die wasn't good it wouldn't be possible, not that it was a fully functional die, poor wording on my part.
As in the maximum die was a good design, they had that much headroom to enable with working dies.
astral haven
I meant is a full die wasn't good it wouldn't be possible, not that it was a ful...
there are always full dies laying around
nvidia still makes bank from them at low yields
tropic nacelle
Of course, that's why they charge a fortune for them.
And the poor ones get binned down to us peasants 🙂
astral haven
nvidia could sell the 4090 at 900 and it would just be less research budget
stark bobcat
Eh the peasants get completely different dies I think
tropic nacelle
Could being the strong word haha, they won't as it's a halo product and they own the market
astral haven
Could being the strong word haha, they won't as it's a halo product and they own...
yes
which is why i hope theres a product above the 7900xtx
tropic nacelle
I member when top tier cards were £350, those were the days!
8 years ago 290x launched haha how time flies.
stark bobcat
yes
**which is why i hope theres a product above the 7900xtx**
I think you're hoping for too much I'd say there is probably like a 7950 refresh at some point
Not that much more
astral haven
speaking of no competition, nvidia had many gtx 480s with 512 cores available for a potential gtx 485 or 490, and they just never released it bc amd had nothing before the new node
astral haven
I think you're hoping for too much I'd say there is probably like a 7950 refresh...
i absolutely agree
doesnt mean i want the 7990 any less...
tropic nacelle
yes
**which is why i hope theres a product above the 7900xtx**
Would that be to just buy a cheaper 4090 when they cut the price?
AMD won't be releasing a higher card for a long time to be honest.
Only with bigger stock clocks maybe
astral haven
Would that be to just buy a cheaper 4090 when they cut the price?
AMD won't be ...
i want a cheaper 4090ti
the 4090 isnt really capable of 4k240 and its too expensive to buy and not be capable of driving my monitor
its not far off tho which is why i think a 4090ti would work
tropic nacelle
I see, I like how AMD is just there to try and keep Nvidia prices lower but not to get the sale.
It happens every generation xD (no hate, buy what's best it's capitalism )
stark bobcat
I wonder how Nvidia and rtg r&d Budgets compare
astral haven
I see, I like how AMD is just there to try and keep Nvidia prices lower but not ...
if amd releases a 7990 tho id buy it in an instant
stark bobcat
I have a sneaking suspicion rtg is far lower
astral haven
I wonder how Nvidia and rtg r&d Budgets compare
its not even close
tropic nacelle
I wonder how Nvidia and rtg r&d Budgets compare
AMD is like a hobo compared to Nvidia budget
astral haven
alot of nvidias budget does go straight into ai research to be fair
stark bobcat
Considering that I'd say they are doing pretty good
ashen spindle
hard to say since rtg is now split into doing rdna and cdna, nvidia also splits stuff though, it's hard to thinkg amd has more
tropic nacelle
Nvidia 5.2 billion dollars
AMD 3.9 billion dollars ( was 2.8 year prior)
That covers CPU and GPU....
astral haven
hard to say since rtg is now split into doing rdna and cdna, nvidia also splits ...
amd as a whole might have more than nvidia puts in gpu
but rtg vs nv gpu nv gpu is alot more munz
tropic nacelle
It was only like 1.5 billion a couple of years ago though, they finally got some money around to spend significantly more
astral haven
the other thing tho is that microsoft's and sony's research is on their books but helps amd
astral haven
the other thing tho is that microsoft's and sony's research is on their books bu...
and the money that goes into those partnerships are huuuuuuuge
ashen spindle
getting pensando and xilinx also wasnt cheap for amd the last years
tropic nacelle
Intel spending 17 billion on r&d also puts it into perspective the combined fronts it's competing against
stark bobcat
I feel like many people thought amds ati acquisition to be a blunder ending up with amds departure from the foundary business but in hindsight looks like it worked out well
astral haven
Intel spending 17 billion on r&d also puts it into perspective the combined fron...
gotta remember that intel rnd also includes silicon fab dev which is hyper omega expensive
ashen spindle
idk that shit has too many layers to see if ATI acquisition was the right choice or not
astral haven
idk that shit has too many layers to see if ATI acquisition was the right choice...
absolutely agreed there
tropic nacelle
gotta remember that intel rnd also includes silicon fab dev which is hyper omega...
Oh yeah for sure it's not cheap, good point for context
AMD buying ati was wrong I think but right at the same time xD
astral haven
if you throw tsmc rnd in there it probably dwarfs intel
ashen spindle
only worked because saudis stepped in to pump cash into GF, they could only make chiplets because GF gave up on 7nm and allowed them to use TSMC if they keep using GF wafers for other stuff
just so much stuff that at any point could've gone either way
tropic nacelle
if you throw tsmc rnd in there it probably dwarfs intel
4 billion this year apparently
astral haven
that surprises me
tropic nacelle
So you could call Intel's budget 10 billion maybe as a rough estimate which is still massive
ashen spindle
think tsmc lowered rnd for later half of this year
stark bobcat
Certainly a lot of factors but I don't think amd would have had better luck with their own fabs
astral haven
think tsmc lowered rnd for later half of this year
with n3 crashing and burning im not sure its the time for that...
astral haven
Certainly a lot of factors but I don't think amd would have had better luck with...
they didnt lel
ashen spindle
oh N3 is already gone, N3E is a replacement
astral haven
their fabs were money sinks
stark bobcat
Ye that's what I'm saying
ashen spindle
n3 will not see a product anymore pretty likely
astral haven
yes but n3e isnt final yet is it?
and these new nodes are all about product specific design rules
astral haven
i still find it crazy that nvidia made two different designs for h100, old method and new one using ai, and the ai placed transistors ended up with a 20% smaller die
tropic nacelle
The problem is AMD CPUs at the time were excellent, on merit they were destroying Intel.
Unfortunately Intel bought them out of the market with silly anticompetitive payments to system builders like dell (and servers) to avoid using AMD which killed their sales and their money.
They had to then survive on a shoestring budget and the graphics division was successful for this but couldn't carry on indefinitely.
Eventually the swing with Zen meant they could finally invest more in GPUs and the fruits of that is only really just being shown finally
Doing designs on a shoestring budget against companies significantly bigger and bought the market is hard haha
It's why Vega was actually not bad in context, it was scalable on the market and done on a tiny budget.
It wasn't amazing but it did its job in compute and in games
astral haven
no it didnt lel
its job was compete with the preeminent 1080ti
which it wasnt capable of
it was supposed to be 16gb and a cheaper titan
tropic nacelle
Not really, it was for server work and sold plenty in server and render farms.
astral haven
as evidenced by that being the product it released
astral haven
Not really, it was for server work and sold plenty in server and render farms.
that wasnt the intention nor what koduri wanted it to be
stark bobcat
It's interesting idk if it was in my seminar or if I read it somewhere but it seems we should be trying to understand these ai algorithms more instead of just letting them go to town
ashen spindle
yes
tropic nacelle
that wasnt the intention nor what koduri wanted it to be
It's why he left he wanted more money for r&d that wasn't possible at the time
ashen spindle
It's interesting idk if it was in my seminar or if I read it somewhere but it se...
knowledge debt from using ai to make black box magic will have a bad end
astral haven
knowledge debt from using ai to make black box magic will have a bad end
agreed
and the technical lead at the company investing the most money into agi saying "we shouldnt worry about the safety until we have a system at least as smart as a toddler" is highly concerning to me
tropic nacelle
knowledge debt from using ai to make black box magic will have a bad end
We will all be dead by then as bigger problems aren't being dealt with haha
astral haven
We will all be dead by then as bigger problems aren't being dealt with haha
i dont think we will all be dead by 2040
ashen spindle
idk if putin and xi got the same memo as you got
astral haven
ok but i think the entiiire world becoming a nuclear hellscape is under a 50% chance
tropic nacelle
I mean global warming isn't stopping, that will kill off a few people by that time and the rest will be killed by growing divide between rich and poor then nuclear winters maybe 😂
astral haven
global warming only kills poor people (which is why nothing is being done about it)
tropic nacelle
Who cares about sunny having his revolution against the new machines while we are fighting amongst ourselves for the last scraps of land
stark bobcat
global warming only kills poor people (which is why nothing is being done about ...
At first
tropic nacelle
When they can't get people to flip their burgers anymore they will notice
astral haven
At first
no, anyone who is still rich will eventually become poor thanks to the warming, then they arent rich any more 👉 👉
anyways type c on rdna3 is awesome
ashen spindle
since they are working closely with valve I wonder if they know valve tries virtual link again
astral haven
i hope that type c becomes common on gpus so that we can get 1 cable monitors
ashen spindle
or if thats just for displayport basically
astral haven
or if thats just for displayport basically
i hope they do usb 4 basically
only skipping out on pcie tunnelling
simple dirge
Can someone tell me how long is the type-c cable in the box ?
astral haven
gusty kiln
anyone have experience with both unraid and truenas? and which you prefer? Unraid seems to be the more noob friendly choice, but lower performance.
astral haven
define performance
astral haven
if you are network limited, it doesnt matter
gusty kiln
I want to do 2.5 gbe at least
cursive summit
Can someone tell me how long is the type-c cable in the box ?
1.8m iirc
astral haven
and unraid will perform better when 1 drive dies
gusty kiln
hmmmmm
astral haven
unraid can also add single drives at a time
gusty kiln
yeah truenas need a whole "block"
astral haven
unraid also works fine with shingled drives which are getting harder to avoid now
astral haven
infinitely longer on smr drives lel
gusty kiln
yikes
vagrant pagoda
Fyi unRAID dose ZFS
You can setup a ZFS pool outside of the unRAID array
I have the Unraid array as my bulk drives for backups
astral haven
yea but then theres no point in paying for unraid
vagrant pagoda
And use ZFS as the actual used pool
vagrant pagoda
yea but then theres no point in paying for unraid
Very nice gui lol
astral haven
hmm
vagrant pagoda
Also with even sata cache drives doing 2.5g isn't hard
Hell good mech drives will saturate 2.5
astral haven
yea just need a teeny bit of ram
vagrant pagoda
Yep
Last one I built was using a Dell prebuilt tower. 4770 and 16gb with 4 12 TB and 2 1tb sata ssds as cache mirrored
It had no issues saturating 10gig
Using ZFS for the cache
With more ran it would do better
gusty kiln
Fyi unRAID dose ZFS
hows the speed of zfs with 1 parity vs raid 5? assuming 4 drives for both?
vagrant pagoda
Raid 5 in whay
gusty kiln
well maybe not raid 5, but default unraid using only 1 parity and 3 other drives
vagrant pagoda
Raid-z1 is faster
ZFS dosent grow well
The way they implemented adding drives to a raid-z seems half assed
vagrant pagoda
Also raid-z makes a bunch of drives one
unRAID dosent
They always separate, just protected
gusty kiln
hmm
vagrant pagoda
So generally the worst possible failure for unRAID is losing one disk of data
The other disk are completely uneffwcted
gusty kiln
interesting
astral haven
The way they implemented adding drives to a raid-z seems half assed
you are supposed to add and remove servers not drives lel
ashen spindle
9gb overwolf kinda concerns me lmao
discord probably steaming a lot or moving files via it
seems normal to me
astral haven
the discord without a logo is kinda spooky?
cursive summit
astral haven
maybe an update changed some id and windows lost tracking?
cursive summit
Firefox really consumes a lot
I imagine YouTube for data capped peeps is probably a point of awareness
astral haven
[web browser you use primarily] uses alot
cursive summit
It's mostly video streaming I suppose
wheat plume
lol
ashen spindle
the discord without a logo is kinda spooky?
could be better discord or so maybe that changes the process
also have two discords, could be the streaming process?
final flame
Mine is definitely broken
astral haven
it does
astral haven
most vpns that arent windows native will add a virtual nic device
pale sigil
thats not much
Discord 250gb+ not much?
astral haven
streaming uses data faaaaaaast
pale sigil
i mean
if im streaming games and dont use as much as him how tf is he using discord so much
ashen spindle
yeah, if you stream at 1080p or above at 60 fps with nitro that uses quite a lot
ashen spindle
and if those streams are nitro quality that is an ammount you get quite fast
astral haven
should be able to hit 250gb in less than 8 hours while sending video to a friend and receiving at the same time
for 6mbps its 12 hours of video
ashen spindle
if its something ungodly like 4k60 then you are there even faster lol, assuming discord allows more bitrate
dont know what the discord bitrate limit is tbh
astral haven
watchable quality for 1080p60 is at least 12 generally
ashen spindle
which is like double of what twitch allows
astral haven
what
ashen spindle
unless you are one of the really big streamers you are locked to like 6mps bitrate
ashen spindle
oh was it 8, could be
ashen spindle
I think it might be 6 for smaller ones
and more than 8 really only for a few, 30k viewers aint enough to get more
ashen spindle
oh maybe brazil internet is just too bad for ESL then
but yeah gl finding one of the like 3 streams that do more than 8
astral haven
big streamers probably
ashen spindle
lirik doesn't have it, biggest german streamers with 30k viewers each don't have more
ashen spindle
I remember there was on launch of Nioh for pc a channel that was somehow streaming at 20k bitrate or something like that, random japanese channel
man that was crispy
astral haven
yea ive run test streams to youtube at 20m and they are sharp
i was testing my laptop out, and i managed to stream on battery on wifi for 2 hours on battery on my laptop
ashen spindle
if only some big company that has good server infrastructure would buy twitch so they can afford more servers...
wheat plume
You can only upgrade Intel GPU drivers if you have an Intel CPU
Ffs Intel
Wait....
Now it works on any CPU?
This is confusing
ashen spindle
who says it only works on intel cpus
ashen spindle
ntel told Ars Technica that it is possible for both Intel and AMD-based platforms to update Arc GPU firmware, and that Intel's Management Engine wasn't actually required for firmware updates.
first sentence aka they tried to use IME which might only work on intel cpus but is not needed
wheat plume
I wonder how these GPUs perform on Linux
Given their many problems on Windows currently
ashen spindle
but it's all just buggy beta hard/software so wouldn't surprise me if that bug happens
just as bad
phoronix had linux benchmarks on launch
wheat plume
They only seem to work flawlessly on DX12 games
Any other DX version or Vulkan had stutters or shit performance
ashen spindle
it's beta hardware that is for people who want to tinker and try new things
wheat plume
They are very tempting though....
Once they fix the drivers ofc
ashen spindle
how are they tempting
both amd and nvidia have better performance at same or lower price
wheat plume
Do they?
I saw a ray tracing comparison and the Intel beats them by a lot
ashen spindle
yeah if you want raytracing in some game that isn't using the nvidia RTX, since that only runs on nvidia and then you get decent RTRT performance but your base framerate is already lower than other options
pale sigil
@ashen spindlestill recommend? xD
ashen spindle
keep in mind oled has a much higher powerdraw
wheat plume
Wait wait ...
If a game says RTX, ray tracing only works on Nvidia GPUs
But if it says ray tracing, it'll work on both?
ashen spindle
no because marketing mumbo jumbo just mixes it all up
most games have DXR now so it runs on all
but something made with nvidias own RTX plugin before DXR was put into dx12 or vulkan only works on their cards
pale sigil
keep in mind oled has a much higher powerdraw <:dogekek:846285268289323069>
Worth it tho
ashen spindle
oh yeah for sure, but I also don't pay more for electricity than I did last year
also you wont want to run that screen with a power limited gpu lmao
cursive summit
Interesting tidbits on RDNA3
AMD regarding competing against the 4090:
Radeon RX 7900 XTX] is designed to go against 4080 and we don’t have benchmarks numbers on 4080. That’s the primary reason why you didnt see any NVIDIA compares. $999 card is not a 4090 competitor, which costs 60% more, this is a 4080 competitor.
— Frank Azor to PCWorld
AMD regarding FSR3 :
AMD FSR3 is not a reaction or a quick thing to DLSS, it is absolutely something we have been working on for a while. Why is it taking a little bit longer for it come out, that you’d probably hoped for? The key thing to remember about FSR is the FSR philosophy and FSR until now did not just work on RDNA2 or RDNA1 they work on other generations of AMD graphics cards. They also work on competitors graphics cards. It is exponentioally harder than if we just made it work on RDNA3. We really do want to work on more than just RDNA3.
— Frank Azor to PCWorld
I wonder what FSR3 can do
astral haven
I wonder what FSR3 can do
Same thing dlss 3 does but 3 months later
cursive summit
So if we are to believe amd
Both Nvidia and amd decided to add extra frames to boost their algorythms at roughly the same time
Which is kinda weird
astral haven
The tech has been in VR for 6 years
It's super easy to do it's just impossible to do well
ashen spindle
It’s like when fsr 2 was announced, people said it’s just amd pretending they have something to compete on paper with dlss2 and just started working on it, but then it was ready like 2 months later, you don’t make those things that fast lmao
shadow minnow
<@150712028217081866>still recommend? xD
That’s a really nice price ngl
Though 150% sRGB is weird
Kinda makes me wish I didn’t have a monitor already xD
fair gull
the shure 840 is great love it
just needed a very slight touch in the treble but eq fixed that
otherwise super comfy and the travel bag is also superb. so is the cable
fidellity on these is heaps better than the kraken is used or the astro a50
stark bobcat
I'd have been very dissapointed had it been worse than the kraken
fair gull
ikr
this feels so much close to my sennheiser music experience and im happy
now ill have a happy trainride
cursive summit
this feels so much close to my sennheiser music experience and im happy
Good thing you listened to me and not a bunch of people telling you to buy gaming headphones
Glad you are enjoying them though, they are pretty affordable for the quality
fair gull
they are literally what i wanted for a pair of travel headphones and with how rarely they will get used
stark bobcat
Good thing you listened to me and not a bunch of people telling you to buy gamin...
ye idk gaming headphones seem to pretty universally be crap then again it's been a while since I had one
ashen spindle
well depends
the hyperx cloud hedset I have laying around is not great imo but I got it for free, so good value
stark bobcat
my last set of gaming headphones were about 10 years ago so I guess I shouldn't judge
I know the hyperx are takstars which is ok ig
cursive summit
Ehh takstars are pretty mediocre
ashen spindle
when you use an EQ in windows, does that override headphone virtualization settings?
cursive summit
You can get better stuff than takstars for similar price offering
cinder drum
Hey it's possible to be connected to two connections?
For example via my phone dare by cable and wireless internet of my.t box
Does it increased the speed of the network?
For my pc
cursive summit
Who
ashen spindle
short answer no
cursive summit
I'm not sure what they mean with the phone part, but most likely no
fair gull
Hey it's possible to be connected to two connections?
For example via my phone...
no
well its possible but no speed increase
cinder drum
well its possible but no speed increase
Oh ok
reef patrol
You CAN set up things like this, but it is NOT easy.
cinder drum
?
fair gull
the only gain for normal consumers is a fallback connection if one dies
crimson wigeon
Definitely possible but I have no clue how to make it work reliably, back in the day I sometimes managed to get steam to download using both connections for example. Really helped with speeds!
cinder drum
the only gain for normal consumers is a fallback connection if one dies
Damn
cinder drum
Definitely possible but I have no clue how to make it work reliably, back in the...
Okay ty
fair gull
Definitely possible but I have no clue how to make it work reliably, back in the...
basically only works with load balancing when single requests can be split to either connection and get routed to the same endpoint
lets say its not worth the trouble unless u need to start combining multiple gigabits into a single uplink so to say
crimson wigeon
But really what should be done is something called bonding but that I have no experience with
fair gull
bonding is eh at best from my experience
ashen spindle
is that the same thing? have the feeling that realtek setting gets ignored when I use an equalizer
stark bobcat
Ehh takstars are pretty mediocre
I did say "ok I guess" which I wouldn't interpret as a big endorsement
fair gull
is that the same thing? have the feeling that realtek setting gets ignored when ...
pretty sure they both get applied seperately
android i think does the same
ashen spindle
after installing the EQ I feel like the virtualization toggle no longer changes anything
ashen spindle
basically wanted to give this a shot to see if I've been missing out on quality or not https://github.com/jaakkopasanen/AutoEq/tree/master/results/headphonecom/headphonecom_harman_over-ear_2018/Sennheiser RS 180
urgh maybe the AI overlords should take over asap if that means sounds settings just are perfect from the start on everything
stark bobcat
how would auto eq work?
ashen spindle
AutoEQ is a project for equalizing headphone frequency responses automatically, and it achieves this by parsing frequency response measurements and producing equalization settings which correct the headphone to a neutral sound.
fair gull
basically maths to reach a target i assume
ashen spindle
from my understanding yes
https://github.com/jaakkopasanen/AutoEq front page has more infos
fair gull
from the picture also yes
ashen spindle
and seems like you can also compute it yourself
stark bobcat
wait but I'm guessing there is some variation when it comes to the same product basically tolerances and such#
so does it have refference curves for headphones and eq them to a target
ashen spindle
I guess so
my issue is I have always used headphone virtualization because without it sound, especially conversation just felt wrong, but idk if a good EQ setting also fixes it or not, because now it's in the like an inbetween where I don't know if it sounds wrong or if I'm just used to years of "wrong" sound settings
stark bobcat
hmm I think I used to have such a programm that made the headphones dead neutral don't remember what it was called tho
ashen spindle
think @thick elk posted it a while ago here first and I just looked into it again recently
it definitely sounds better than without EQ and without virtualization, I just dont really have a reference to compare if it's better than no EQ with virtualization or not lmao
cursive summit
Good lord
The 5800X3D slaps
What if they re-released 5800X3D as 6800X3D and gave it DDR5 and AM5 support?
How much would that add to its performance
ashen spindle
thats not how things work
cursive summit
How hard would it be to just re-release it with different pins to adjust to the new motherboards and add DDR5 support
ashen spindle
"what if they did this hpyothetical thing that has insane amounts of variables that we dont know"
but also why bother doing that when you just make zen4 v cache
all the changes, validation, steppings etc. for having one specific procressor work on different socket and with new IMC?
so a new IO die for it?
cursive summit
but also why bother doing that when you just make zen4 v cache
I am afraid 7800X3D will be too expensive
So I'd rather have the 5800X3D repackaged for same price as when it launched
ashen spindle
you do realize a "6800x3d" would cost like quadruple what a zen4 x3d will be
cursive summit
How so
ashen spindle
all the cost saving would be gone because you need to make validation, packaging, new memory controller, different socket for a single cpu sku
it's more than just changing the pins to make that work
stark bobcat
To rerelease the 5800x3d you'd definitely need to change a lot of things to get it to work on am5 that'd also change the value propositions a lot
You can't just do ddr5 on am4
cursive summit
Weirdly according to HU findings, R5 7600X is a good value
I guess it's only shit in EU where those things cost absurd amounts
ashen spindle
no it was bad on release because b series boards were not out yet so you had to use expensive boards only
- some older boards from alder lake are not price adjusted so cheaper in euro relatively to newer stuff
cursive summit
I see B650 is still shit
Cheapest ones
Oh no, there's this one
But that's a .eu shop so not local
Cheapest one locally remains 204.10€ for B650M PG Riptide
And I really don't feel like going with ASrock
On other news
Musk does what his little brain thinks is a good choice
stark bobcat
eh twitter would't be much of a loss tbh
cursive summit
I feel bad for the unemployment levels
But maybe whoever they fire will get poached by more respectable companies
stark bobcat
software engineers are very saught after
ashen spindle
you better be running that ram with an nvidia card
halcyon moss
eh twitter would't be much of a loss tbh
hwo ever you turn it, it is an important platform for lots of peeps, and probably do not want to leak DMs. security is important
cursive summit
fair gull
you know im somewhat of a typescript programmer myself
fair gull
it spreads entry into a new object
... is the spread operator and basically splits an areay into its single values or an object into its properties
wheat plume
o
fair gull
entry is an object returned from a prisma db query which doesnt let me use the setting as an index so i recreate a standard js object to access the setting referenced more dynamically
and since the function safe guards te setting to a string array i can just do this
ud still never do this in a production environment and just make smarter functions with a switch or smth
wheat plume
Nixie tubes <3 <3
I wish there was a way to cover the circuit board, cause this house is dusty AF
😍
I love how these look so much
cursive summit
I always post in the wrong channels ffs
"AMD has doubled the compute throughput by adding dual-issue SIMD to their design, but the core count has not been doubled. This is why the Stream Processor count is 6144, but effective single-precision compute performance has increased to 61 TFLOPS."