The government is made up of ruskies
#đâtech
astral haven
crisp granite
and the government
is not all ruskies
stark bobcat
Would also be nice if putler could just stop doing the unjustified war thing âšď¸ like bruh groceries were already expensive enough
frozen ingot
I mean, taking away mcdonalds, levis, gucci, instagram and whatnot is hurting the russian government/economy, but the largest kick in the balls is to the everyday russian
can't really get around that
frozen ingot
its an example
misty saffron
not a very good one
misty saffron
also, mcdonaldâs literally just renamed and works as before
crisp granite
taking away gucci is hurting the everyday russian??
average moscovite
misty saffron
same for most of the brands
stark bobcat
U know u could take away the car without airbags and you'd actually improve the life of some in the long run
frozen ingot
I think you're missing the big picture here, its still trying to turn the life of the population upside down as much as possible
whether successfully or not, that's part of the goal
misty saffron
yeah well so far weâve just adapted
crisp granite
also, mcdonaldâs literally just renamed and works as before
mmm mold
astral haven
The thing is
If every single Russian puts down their guns, the war is over
Period
Regardless of what Putin wants
crisp granite
...except that's not going to happen
astral haven
If people are mad enough it will
crisp granite
you can bet on at least ONE Z-tard being out there
frozen ingot
well there's signs of that increasingly being the case
stark bobcat
We can dream
frozen ingot
so far not nearly enough though
misty saffron
your way of thinking is western and you have no idea how a police state works
crisp granite
the russian people
are victims
misty saffron
same for most western government officials tbf
crisp granite
if nothing else
misty saffron
i donât blame you
frozen ingot
am well aware its a police state and its very understandable to me that russians hasn't "risen up" or protested more
crisp granite
your way of thinking is western and you have no idea how a police state works
eh, maybe Artorias
East German debil iirc
stark bobcat
I agree with hollow living under a police state any sort of retaliation must be tough
astral haven
Police have families...
frozen ingot
who would want to under the threat of jail or worse
astral haven
If it becomes a big enough problem, revolution happens
crisp granite
...
astral haven
Russia being the number 1 example of it lel
frozen ingot
those few brave souls that do have major balls
misty saffron
who would want to under the threat of jail or worse
except the âgoodâ police wonât
lol
or do you suggest to rise up and end up in jail?
pay a hefty fine thatâs more than the average income?
astral haven
That's the point of peaceful protest?
frozen ingot
I literally said I get why they won't
crisp granite
peaceful protest in russia
dispersed by Omon
with live bullets
as god intented
stark bobcat
Hmmm well I wouldn't say my dad is a shitty person but back in the gdr he was "protecting" the berlin border from escapees. I'd say people just don't know any better
frozen ingot
yeah no a peaceful russian protest is one where the protestors doesn't get beaten half to death before getting dragged into the police van
because they are getting dragged into that van either way
misty saffron
good, youâre slowly getting to the point
do you see how thatâs impossible?
do you want to starve for 2 months because you decided to protest?
frozen ingot
yes, I've known this for decades
crisp granite
do you see how thatâs impossible?
honestly
I think the best would be arranging a mass exodus
misty saffron
sorry, 2+ months
crisp granite
it'll be really hard for Putin to keep doing his thing if all the educated and capable ruskis ain't there to pay taxes
misty saffron
or end up in jail for years
frozen ingot
which again is why am saying I very much understand why russians aren't protesting more
misty saffron
so why exactly would putting pressure on the public that way work?
frozen ingot
and that the west trying to make their lives shit won't really work in that regard
stark bobcat
I think it's an incredibly tough situation for russians opposed to what is happening
frozen ingot
so why exactly would putting pressure on the public that way work?
well also again, its not my idea, its how the media/corpos etc reason here despite experts saying it won't really work
astral haven
so why exactly would putting pressure on the public that way work?
Because it has worked every time before in history eventually
And it's alot fewer western people who get affected
misty saffron
the stupidity of western government officials is genuinely killing me
how fucking dense do you have to be to just say âgo protestâ
astral haven
the stupidity of western government officials is genuinely killing me
It's not stupidity
It's prioritizing their own people
crisp granite
how fucking dense do you have to be to just say âgo protestâ
I mean
if you're suicidal
it's not a bad way to go
martyred
misty saffron
you are supposed to know something about something yet your skull is as thick as a brick
stark bobcat
I think there is something to be said about citizen unhappiness being able to lead to change somehow but how exactly isn't clear to me
In east germany it was one guy saying something stupid on tv and suddenly everyone is in Berlin wanting to cross the border
frozen ingot
I mean sure, disgruntled populations have risen up against their governments before, but it will take a whole fuckin lot for that to actually happen in a place like russia, you'd basically have to drive people to the point of either starving to death or lashing out
crisp granite
I think there is something to be said about citizen unhappiness being able to le...
well
if we tap into Carmonben's example of 1917 Russia, the people literally had two choices
fight and probably be martyred or starve in silence
the 2022 Ruskies aren't in that dire of straits yet
astral haven
Tbh I think y'all need to take western civ again...
frozen ingot
and even then its kinda doubtful
crisp granite
once it gets to that point, all bets are off
astral haven
well
if we tap into Carmonben's example of 1917 Russia, the people literally had...
Yeup
And neither of these options involve "westerners" citizens dying
misty saffron
anything related to economic sanctions wonât work in russia to change regime
ever
frozen ingot
the economy would have to be weakened to the point where the government could literally not pay their police/security forces
misty saffron
raising awareness however will
frozen ingot
and that likely won't happen
astral haven
anything related to economic sanctions wonât work in russia to change regime
You need to reread the history books fam
It has happened before to worse rulers
misty saffron
the brainwashed people just think west is bad, and theyâve now showed their true face by taking their luxuries
crisp granite
Yeup
And neither of these options involve "westerners" citizens dying
yep
but neither involved economic sanctions either
misty saffron
You need to reread the history books fam
It has happened before to worse rulers
why would i want to reread history books if i actually see whatâs happening?
how is that related?
crisp granite
it took shortages of the basics
astral haven
the brainwashed people just think west is bad, and theyâve now showed their true...
You think Stalin didn't have supporters?
stark bobcat
Extrapolation directly from history is very tough as no situation is 1/1 the same
misty saffron
stalin brainwashing and modern brainwashing are very different things
stark bobcat
Times have changed
crisp granite
Extrapolation directly from history is very tough as no situation is 1/1 the sam...
but...in reality
people are wonderful in being able to take a lot of shit
misty saffron
you cannot extrapolate anything that happened before to now
crisp granite
it will take dire straits to produce the results of a similar revolution 105 years ago
stark bobcat
I wouldn't wanna be a chinese citizen for example with all the supervision
astral haven
yep
but neither involved economic sanctions either
Heck you talking about
Russia has always had significant import reliance, once they lost access to the western machinery they devolved quickly
It's just gonna take alot longer now...
crisp granite
...working on domestic industry...have been for years...
they still have CIS members doing robust trade
misty saffron
oh yeah itâs also very silly to think we are in stone age
astral haven
Russia has always been working on domestic industry yet it's built on a foundation of western tools
frozen ingot
russian economy will not reach the point of complete collapse as long as they're still making money on natural resources, in dire state sure but its enough to keep people fed
and keep homes warm and lit
astral haven
which have and are being phased out for domestic tools
Yep and those domestic tools are 10-20 years in the hole...
stark bobcat
Let's not kid ourselves here there are plenty of countries who will still do business with russia
A big one being china
astral haven
Yep
frozen ingot
large parts of asia in general
astral haven
And tbh china has crazy manufacturing and tooling expertise
frozen ingot
as well as many places in europe
and these places are getting a heck of a deal on russian gas and oil now
astral haven
As long as china keeps working with Russia, the western sanctions probably will end up not working
frozen ingot
so they're unlikely to give that up anytime soon
which, again is why sanctions and corporate pullouts will mainly make average russians lives less cheerful
but it will not drive them to the point of starvation
stark bobcat
And then china is also working on semiconductors in the end russia and china will just become closer than ever before but honestly I'd prefer if we didn't do business with russia after what it has done
Getting closer through trade has been a failure when it comes to russia
It worked wonders in europe
astral haven
Tho china also can't make their own semi tooling
stark bobcat
Yet
astral haven
It's doubtful that china will make continuous liquid metal lasers in the next 5 years
frozen ingot
Chinas technological advancements are happening extremely rapidly
stark bobcat
5 years is peanuts
astral haven
Chinas technological advancements are happening extremely rapidly
No
China's ability to use western tools is advancing rapidly
frozen ingot
they're learning very fast how to mimic those tools though
astral haven
5 years is peanuts
Yes but they won't be able to be even 20 years behind in 5 years is the point
astral haven
they're learning very fast how to mimic those tools though
No they arent
They are learning how to buy them tho
frozen ingot
which they in turn copypasta
astral haven
Which don't work
I've been keeping up on semi manufacturing news
Liquid metal lasers are insanely hard to make and china can't do it
At least not yet
frozen ingot
I mean china was largely a third world sweatshop even in the big metro areas two decades ago, the difference that's happened in 20 years has been ludicrous
I dunno I think they'll figure it out quicker than a lot of people think
astral haven
I mean china was largely a third world sweatshop even in the big metro areas two...
Sure
But that would have been 100% impossible without using western tools to make it
frozen ingot
there's also a lot of information and knowledge they're sitting on that they won't disclose to the west
stark bobcat
I'd say the important part is china has also been advancing a lot academically
astral haven
The point is the tools to make the tools are harder to make than the tools themselves since they have to be even more precise
frozen ingot
tbh the way the ccp operates I think it would be in their interest to make it out as if they know less than they actually do
astral haven
Well they can know all they want
But theory and practice are very different
If theory and practice were the same, the us would have more than 2 facilities with euv manufacturing capability... And they would have had them 20 years ago
cursive summit
Seems Microsoft is about to launch something again
Anyone know if Surfaces are any alright
stark bobcat
Surfaces are good depending on what you are looking for
raw zephyr
microsoft is far behind in the laptop sphere
cursive summit
Hold on a second
fair gull
when did we upgrade to sphere
cursive summit
The Snapdragon (Microsoft) SQ3 chipset is a custom-built laptop processor from Microsoft, based on the Qualcomm Snapdragon 8cx Gen 3 notebook processor family.
stark bobcat
đ¤ˇââď¸ for a windows with proper pen input it's decent
cursive summit
Smartphones don't even have 8 gen 2 yet
stark bobcat
Most other windows have terribad pen input
cursive summit
How come Microsoft already managed to get their hands on the 8 gen 3
Also why are they running Windows off of an ARM processor
Like, why
stark bobcat
Because more power efficienct. The problem is windows on arm sucks dick
Not a problem with the architecture but a problem with the software
cursive summit
Okay I misunderstood, I thought that Snapdragon 8cx was similar to Snapdragon 8
They are not, 8cx is a Microsoft only part
Performance isn't.. craptastic though
Still far worse than any Alder Lake-U parts though
raw zephyr
only apple has been able to deliver usable arm-based laptops so far
stark bobcat
And they'll charge at least 1000⏠I promise you
cursive summit
I find it really weird Microsoft has actual fans who stan for Surface laptops
Based on what I'm seeing they are just not good
shadow minnow
Overpriced especially
Though good point some make is that itâs on purpose due to anti competitive stuff
raw zephyr
microsoft is still behind here, they will get there eventually
shadow minnow
Since considering they also make the OS, they have it âeasierâ to make a cheaper good product than other companies.
Which could lead to some lawsuits and such probably.
stark bobcat
I think surface laptops would be extremely attractive, if they had better battery life and repairability
shadow minnow
Basically Microsoft could do with laptops what nvidia is doing with GPUs to their AiBs rn 
stark bobcat
I like their design language
raw zephyr
I think surface laptops would be extremely attractive, if they had better batter...
true, windows loves to eat battery
on x86
ashen spindle
stark bobcat
THEY ARE GLUEING CHIPS TOGETHER
cursive summit
This is pretty af https://www.angstronomics.com/p/navi-31-die-shot
So, what does 6 MCDs give us?
Lots of CUs?
I am a little bit OCD'd though
Why are they offcentered AND spaced so badly
Couldn't they just make the space a bit bigger so they wouldn't fuck with people's OCDs
ashen spindle
ehhhh I give that a 3/10
cursive summit
I am excited for RDNA3 parts though
I want to see what they were working on behind the scenes
Mainly the RT performance improvements
ashen spindle
as for why it's not leaked, most likely because just like zen4 it's a live presentation that gets recorded and then played an hour or so later online
gives tech press an early view and they get content out once the online video finishes
stark bobcat
ehhhh I give that a 3/10
Very generous
cursive summit
I am interested why Angstronomcs said this "Unfortunately, our A0 performance profiling results were not indicative of production samples, so we have refrained from detailing our findings publicly"
Did they have pretty underwhelming performance?
Cause this would correspond with Kopite's findings where the Nvidia shill said that "AMD perf looks bad"
ashen spindle
means they just had preproduction stepping and those can be very different
different stepping can do a lot
its basically a hardware bug fix, can range from almost no impact to doesn't boot on old stepping
stark bobcat
I think I gotta bring some bricks into my seminar to throw at the ppl giggling behind me
As if studying maths wasn't hard enough already
cursive summit
So it's good on Arc
Shit not on arc
Cause the headlines so far were that XeSS is bad
My 27" 1440p NanoIPS display arrived
Replaced the 32" 1440p VA which went to my waifu
I have mixed feelings
It's a lot sharper cause of higher ppi
But I liked the free real estate size of the 32"
I am really inclined of making the new boy my secondary monitor and getting a curved 32" later
Black levels are not a problem though, contrast might be just 1000:1 but it's pretty cool looking
Although I can't really feel much difference between IPS and VA
stark bobcat
Sharpness isn't a measure of fidelity. There is such a thing as oversharpening
ashen spindle
was the VA a new samsung VA panel?
if not the ips has a shit ton less black smearing
ashen spindle
left is VA, see the black smear behind every ufo?
cursive summit
I am aware, yes
I suffered through that
The LG's dark smearing was really bad though the display was uncalibrated
If I turned off a few settings and tweaked the R/G/B values, it became a bit better
OOO this display is sick
Absolutely no ghosting
ashen spindle
you said you cant feel much difference so I wasnt sure
cursive summit
Doing the UFO test rn
It's crisp af
Main difference is the feeling of sharpness
The LG was 32" so, a bit blurrer I suppose
This is 27" and feels really sharp, almost small
shadow minnow
What is deckard?
cursive summit
Valve's next VR shit
Next gen VR
Supposed to be a combination of a goggles and a PC I think
So it renders the game for itself, no need to connect it to a PC I think
Which is kinda nuts considering it has to work with games like Half life alyx
ashen spindle
late on that
cursive summit
I like how AMD's answer to Raptor lake is not cutting prices of 7000 series
But cutting price on 5800X3D
The X3D parts are nuts
shadow minnow
Theyâd need to cut 7000 a lot
cursive summit
Too early for that
shadow minnow
5800X3D is great just no upgrade path
stark bobcat
Who would want 7000 series rn I just don't get it
ashen spindle
raptor lake also has no upgrade path
cursive summit
Wait for next gen 3DVcache to launch
ashen spindle
Who would want 7000 series rn I just don't get it
production workload
cursive summit
Wait for inflation to subside, hopefully
shadow minnow
raptor lake also has no upgrade path
Well if you get a lower end cpu at first it kinda does
cursive summit
And in like march cut the prices of 7000 series
stark bobcat
Wait for inflation to subside, hopefully
U wish
ashen spindle
+ going from DDR4 to DDR5
thats not an upgrade path if you need a new board????
cursive summit
We all can wish
ashen spindle
you can't use ddr 4 and ddr5 on the same board...
shadow minnow
thats not an upgrade path if you need a new board????
But you wouldnât need to change cpu in that case
stark bobcat
Inflation will continue until morale improves
ashen spindle
so your upgrade path is that you can replace board and ram for 5-10% gains....
wow such upgrade
that's not how anyone looks at upgrade paths
vocal cipher
I don't even see a reason to upgrade 3700x atm tbh
ashen spindle
Like you can get 12400f and upgrade to 13600k
and you can go from 1700x to 5800x3d, it doesnt really make sense to talk about upgrade path if we look at older gens lol
shadow minnow
and you can go from 1700x to 5800x3d, it doesnt really make sense to talk about ...
Well both 5800x3d and 12400f are one gen old is my point. One of them also being cheaper.
But yes if you already have am4 then Intel makes no sense currently
cursive summit
If you have AM4, AM5 makes little sense either
Performance uplift isn't there, and costs of upgrading are high for what you get
shadow minnow
True
If you have some really old platform with DDR3 then considering AM5 May start making sense
cursive summit
Not even
I wouldn't bother with AM5 until next gen Ryzen
Or if Vcaches are amazing
Until mobo prices go down and processors are priced sanely, AM5 sucks
ashen spindle
dont know if its real, wont watch the video, but this makes me a meta fan lmfao
shadow minnow
Not even
Well if you plan to upgrade your cpu it may.
As AM5 has an upgrade path unlike really any other current platform
cursive summit
dont know if its real, wont watch the video, but this makes me a meta fan lmfao
That's how they infiltrate your brain
Don't join the dark side quintosh
ashen spindle
if infiltrating my brain means less children I'll open the door myself
cursive summit
Whoa what do you gave against children
stark bobcat
Vr isn't good for children is a reasonable take
shadow minnow
I am sure age restrictions would work.
Canât imagine the case where they were just ignored and 10yr old children would just play gta and any games really
shadow minnow
Vr isn't good for children is a reasonable take
Depends on game
pale sigil
5800X3D is great just no upgrade path
Anyone on 5 series has no upgrade path anyway
shadow minnow
Depends on game
Just as with non vr
pale sigil
or well zen 3
cursive summit
Age restrictions don't work
The only age restriction that works are ID cards
But people are less than happy with those
shadow minnow
Beat saber VR is imo way better than GTA V for children
shadow minnow
The only age restriction that works are ID cards
Even then it may not work
stark bobcat
Studies have been done that show vr isn't good for the development of coordinating
In children
cursive summit
Even then it may not work
Works a lot better than just "is your age above 18?"
shadow minnow
Is it worse than just sitting in a chair and playing computer games though
ashen spindle
Whoa what do you gave against children
I have nothing effective against them sadly
shadow minnow
Works a lot better than just "is your age above 18?"
I mean it does
cursive summit
I have nothing effective against them sadly
Quintosh slowly becomes senor Himmler
shadow minnow
Some people are just so angry against children being happy and doing whatever
Smh the jealousy
pale sigil
https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-is-now-selling-ryzen-7-5800x3d-for-329
meanwhile UK went up again
shadow minnow
Itâs just ÂŁ going down
cursive summit
Some would say UK has went tits up a while ago
shadow minnow
Well tends to happen when economy is falling apart
ashen spindle
that's basically msrp is it not
cursive summit
ÂŁ349.99 sounds good
pale sigil
ÂŁ349.99 sounds good
Compared to 250 in EU? no
ashen spindle
329 usd to gbp + tax should be around 34x-ish
cursive summit
Compared to 250 in EU? no
250?
Are you okay?
Where the fuck did you find it for 250
shadow minnow
Pumpkin was never too good at maths I am afraid
pale sigil
no i mean 250 quid
cursive summit
We use quids in EU?
pale sigil
no im saying
cursive summit
pale sigil
its cheaper in euros
shadow minnow
Not by that much too
shadow minnow
Glad pound is falling again
pale sigil
Oo amazon.de has a nice price on it rn
shadow minnow
Sad I didnât convert ⏠to ÂŁ when pound fell to 1.12
cursive summit
What 60 quid
pale sigil
quid = pounds
shadow minnow
Avoid taxes you save more
pale sigil
It's same price rn on mindfactory as amazon
says 350 for me
ashen spindle
so 30 quid currently difference if we round up currently
pale sigil
cursive summit
How are you planning to even buy from mindfactory
stark bobcat
I think I recently saw it for 300⏠but I might be hallucinating sleep hasn't been too great since semester started
pale sigil
not 60
cursive summit
They don't ship to other countries
pale sigil
How are you planning to even buy from mindfactory
Bexin if i did
pale sigil
Pretty sure they do
cursive summit
If you don't live in DE or you are a company, good luck
ashen spindle
shops like MF sometimes dont update prices correctly if viewed from other places because they dont push updates for the region they dont serve
and yes MF is germany only for a while now for regular customers
shadow minnow
If you don't live in DE or you are a company, good luck
Then just gotta order it as company
shadow minnow
shops like MF sometimes dont update prices correctly if viewed from other places...
It shows 365⏠for me and I am also in UK so itâs weird
cursive summit
and yes MF is germany only for a while now for regular customers
Mindfactory used to send abroad but yeah, they cancelled that
However they do still ship to companies
Which I don't think any of us are
shadow minnow
Well you donât have to be a company just have to have one
stark bobcat
Always helpful to make german friends for this reason
pale sigil
Bexin
cursive summit
Bexin can't buy from mindfactory either
pale sigil
Or Tony
shadow minnow
So it gets ordered to quintosh quintosh sends it to me and I bring it to UK
cursive summit
Tony can
cursive summit
That's a lot of shipping
shadow minnow
Bexin can't buy from mindfactory either
Unless I do so through a company
cursive summit
Unless I do so through a company <:dogekek:846285268289323069>
Gl
ashen spindle
can you first even make sense of why you would want that cpu? when you say you dont use your desktop at all currently
cursive summit
can you first even make sense of why you would want that cpu? when you say you d...
I need it syndrome
ashen spindle
it does use more energy than your 5600x btw
cursive summit
it does use more energy than your 5600x btw
Woah dude how can you say something offensive like that
stark bobcat
I need it syndrome
The less money I have the less I have that syndrome
pale sigil
When i get back into using my computer after moving room.
cursive summit
Ban quintosh for being offensive
shadow minnow
Ok
ashen spindle
When i get back into using my computer after moving room.
so look at prices for it then đ
stark bobcat
I pay 19âŹ/month idk about u guys
shadow minnow
Imagine paying
cursive summit
Let's check if our electricity prices are fucked even more
ashen spindle
yeah we have fixed cost for this house till end of 23 so I'm good when it comes to electricity cost lol
cursive summit
Yep
shadow minnow
Let's check if our electricity prices are fucked even more
No need to check yes they are
ashen spindle
lol rip you
ashen spindle
same
cursive summit
It used to be 0.12
pale sigil
At least your currency aint going to shit and having a living crisis 
shadow minnow
I heard mining on a GPU is very profitable rn
stark bobcat
At least your currency aint going to shit and having a living crisis <:havo:9758...
Uhhh yes it is
cursive summit
Now it's fucked
ashen spindle
At least your currency aint going to shit and having a living crisis <:havo:9758...
it does? and we did it before your pound followed us
truss was only playing catch up when she tried to destroy british economy
shadow minnow
I mean not entirely
Pound was similar to ⏠entire time until it went down
So compared to $ it was also going down
Just truss increased the rate
ashen spindle
uhhhhhh no it wasnt
stark bobcat
Point is the euro is in the shitter rn
shadow minnow
Truss wanted to level up the $ to ÂŁ rate
stark bobcat
And I blame less solvent states within the eu
ashen spindle
oh wow I looked at the wrong thing
damn I really gave boris too little credit for the chaos he did
gusty kiln
đ¸
stark bobcat
Europoor
vagrant pagoda
Last month mine a 9 cents /kwh
shadow minnow
Oh wow
I never knew it was that much
But also TikTok could try to be bit less obvious with their spying lol
First video that pops up after I googled ÂŁ exchange rates
ashen spindle
because they just use the same API everyone can use if you allow access
so others use it too just wont make it so obvious
vagrant pagoda
I donât get why does Google just share data with TikTok like that tbh
Money
vagrant pagoda
because they just use the same API everyone can use if you allow access
A lot also don't to targeted ads. Less money but less creepy
shadow minnow
My mistake of for some reason creating account through Google directly tbf.
But like itâs so obvious.
cursive summit
It seems audio technica released a new headphone
Can anyone guess the price?
It's wireless
mild frost
guessing 1200
cursive summit
Made out of marbled maple, walnut, and mahogany wood apparently
Featuring "world's first completely balanced audio output system"
cursive summit
guessing 1200
Not even close
mild frost
damn
gusty kiln
đŞľ
stark bobcat
Wireless things are a scourge on humanity
stark bobcat
Hopefully the wired bypasses the internal amp
gusty kiln
And hopefully no dsp with the internal one
cursive summit
I don't think the wired is good though
That's.. USB-C
Which last I heard is not good for audio
No XLR..
stark bobcat
So it'll probably use the internal ampdac even wired
gusty kiln
Are you sure that's not the charge port?
cursive summit
It has no other connector
gusty kiln
Oh rip
cursive summit
Includes two 1.5 m (4.9') 6N-OFC audio-grade cables: a USB-C to USB-A cable, and a USB-C to USB-C cable
AUDIO GRADE USB-C 
It's literally trash
How are you supposed to power hi-fi with USB-C
cursive summit
The specs are really good though
Equipped with two (Lch/Rch) ESS DAC ES9038Q2M
That's a good DAC
Adopts Nisshinbo Micro Devicesâ flagship MUSES05
I have never heard of MUSES though
Solid double DAC
So, it might not be shit at all
Only thing bringing it down is the wireless nature
gusty kiln
Man still 7 more hours until RDNA3
cursive summit
Can't wait
I am waiting for that "one last thing"
"This is 7950X3D absolutely smoking our brand new 7950X at 2x the performance over all, launching this January for 1999$"
ivory marten
Wireless things are a scourge on humanity
depends; for example I use the Steelseries Arctis Pro Wireless at my PC and it's really convenient to move around my room while not having to worry about the jack always brushing against me, and since they have all 3 types of connection (3.5mm jack, Bluetooth and 2.4GHz), and it's surprisingly also extremely low-latency over wireless; it also comes with the benefit of being able to take the batteries out and have them replaced, and you can actually tune them on-the-fly with no software needed, you only need the doc which is also it's transceiver
cursive summit
It does not depend
Wireless is a scourge
It makes people think that audio sounds shit
Guess what, audio sounds amazing
just wireless ruins it
stark bobcat
Just put batteries into anything at this point - doesn't use electricity doesn't matter just waste some more lithium and other precious metals
cursive summit
Cause of the damn wireless mania my phones lost the damn headphone jack
Now I have to buy a wireless DAC or a damn dongle
How about you fuck off and give me my jack back
stark bobcat
depends; for example I use the Steelseries Arctis Pro Wireless at my PC and it's...
Convenience is one thing quality is another. I don't blame people for wanting wireless products I just wish companies would improve the quality of them and do a better job of making them recycleable
ashen spindle
wireless does not ruin sound, wireless tiny IEMs maybe
cursive summit
Wireless does ruin sound
ashen spindle
my wireless headphones are great, just not something for on the way with them having a base station
cursive summit
What do you run
halcyon moss
wireless != bluetooth
cursive summit
I don't like any kind of wireless
I hope you compare your HDR180s to some proper wired headphones some day
Wireless does not sound good
ivory marten
Convenience is one thing quality is another. I don't blame people for wanting wi...
well, in my case, it's super recycleable cuz I can literally take its bats out and recycle that; also the sound/frequency response graph is well balanced
ashen spindle
wireless does not make it sounds worse, it's the same fucking data that gets turned into sound
it sounds worse if for battery savings or such they need to reduce it
cursive summit
Packet loss
stark bobcat
Well the wireless products still need to handle the amplification internally which isn't ideal
ashen spindle
bruh I'm not sitting on the other side of a 10meter steel wall
ivory marten
@stark bobcat https://i.imgur.com/uqk8pWg.png
cursive summit
Ring me when they invent a proper functioning wireless headphone that's lossless
ashen spindle
if packet loss was such an issue you could not do most internet things on wireless
cursive summit
Supposedly aptX HD is supposed to do that
ivory marten
<@263598775853907969> https://i.imgur.com/uqk8pWg.png
in comparison to the DT770 Pro
but the Arctis Pro also cost a fortune
ashen spindle
I hope you compare your HDR180s to some proper wired headphones some day
@astral haven recently got a similar pair of sennheisers so ask him how it compares since he has more headphones than I do
stark bobcat
While I am not at all concerned about the dac internal to wireless audio products the amp is another matter
ivory marten
Someone's trying to compare arctis pro to wired Beyers?
I had the opportunity to test them side-by-side, and honestly to me they sounded kinda close
cursive summit
There are more things to sound than just FR graphs
stark bobcat
https://i.imgur.com/gr7s9pE.png
People don't exactly call the 770s well balanced
And personally I don't like them very much
They are very fatiguing
cursive summit
DT770s are weird
Either peeps like them or not
I think they are the R&B headphone
Supposed to be really bright and honestly, stupid
Dead neutral or bust
ivory marten
Dead neutral or bust
I'm more of a '"this needs a bit more bass" kinda guy, because I fucking love when there are certain songs where the bass adds a certain "epic" feel to them
stark bobcat
There are more things to sound than just FR graphs
Also this
Quality of bass is very important I love bass but muddy bass is awful
ivory marten
out of all wireless headphones that are also lossless and not high end/audiophile, I think that the Arctis did the sound the best, like everything sounded flat, I had to manually add some thump to them
stark bobcat
That FR is not flat
ivory marten
the bassline is, the top-ends not so much
but that flat bass-line really does stick out
when I first put them on I was like
"wait, this is all the bass there is by default?"
it was surprising to see the bass really flat or close to flat-ness when most "gaming headsets" all have some way or another a lot of bass
ivory marten
and tbh idk how many audiophile headsets there are that are also closed-back (I only knew for sure that DT770 is one that's why I picked that one), because I know that most of them are open-back but that is a no-go for me because I don't want to let other people hear what I'm listening and I have other people live in my house and my PC is not really "in my room" cuz I don't have a "my room"
there is also the Audio-Tehnica I guess
stark bobcat
Closed back is a nono when it comes to audiophile headphones mostly
Open just sounds better
ivory marten
yeah there's only so few that are audiophile
and so since open-backs are a no-go for me, I don't got much choice (I also don't like that they also let other sounds in, like external noises)
ivory marten
I know
stark bobcat
I like semi open
ivory marten
Beyerdynamic and Audio-Technica from the audiophile brands and then the Arctis Pro in particular and I guess the Astros from gaming brands are about all that I know are good
stark bobcat
Both beyers and audio technicas closed backs kinda suck imo
Just because they make something doesn't mean it's good
ivory marten
perhaps, but they suck less than whatever else other options there are
vagrant pagoda
Gonna get mad flak
stark bobcat
Emu teaks are the only ones I'd consider at all
vagrant pagoda
I love my Bluetooth IEMs for gaming if I need headphones
stark bobcat
You do you
vagrant pagoda
Positional audio is really really good
Idk why
Which is saying a lot because my actual setup is a real 7.1.2
stark bobcat
I mean there isn't really that much to gaming audio the biggest differences will come from how the game processes the audio
Ray tracing would be the dream
gusty kiln
I use these for gaming
stark bobcat
Cursed
Comparative gaming with speakers isn't a good idea
You are probably just experiencing the fact that headphones>speakers for most games
vocal cipher
You are probably just experiencing the fact that headphones>speakers for most ga...
one time I had to take off my headphones as I was waiting for doorbell to ring
I felt like I played much better without any sound đ my other senses are peaked đ
shadow minnow
Hmm where could i find some good arduino breadboard kit with some more advanced parts like MOSFETs as well that doesnât take as long to ship as aliexpress stuff does?
stark bobcat
Hmm I wish sense of smell would help in games
My sense of smell is cracked
We need smell o vision so I can smell the stinky gamers camping in a corner
vagrant pagoda
Comparative gaming with speakers isn't a good idea
Nah good surround sound support > headphones
Now in stereo games sure
But most games actually support surround sound natively
stark bobcat
Most games are made with headphones in mind
vagrant pagoda
Most games are made with headphones in mind
For stereo output yes
But because of consoles, surround sound support is good.
stark bobcat
Games like cs and valorant aren't on console
vagrant pagoda
And yet headphones>speakers for these games
Have you tried it?
stark bobcat
No one who is serious about these games uses speakers
vagrant pagoda
Because you can't haul a surround sound to a match
And I'm not saying it's better
I'm saying it's good
I also haven't played CS in 10 years
But sound design in AAA games is really good in surround sound
astral haven
Ring me when they invent a proper functioning wireless headphone that's lossless
The hdr220 outperforms most wired headphones that are cheaper than it, and is running ~1 millisecond latency lossless uncompressed wireless
It sounds like a hd600 on a nice 1v ss amp
And it's 8 years old
I solidly prefer it to my hd6xx, and id even say it's slightly better than the 560s
vagrant pagoda
Warzone/mw had amazing surround. Only shooter that makes me want to try 4 height for Atmos
Shit flying over makes you want to duck
But I can definitely tell front to back sounds like a dome
Where left to right sounds flat
gusty kiln
Shit flying over makes you want to duck
I've heard tall diaphragm headphones like the hifiman ananda can give a "tall" soundstage
stark bobcat
I never said it can't be good just saying headphones are better
vagrant pagoda
I never said it can't be good just saying headphones are better
All depends on your metric
vagrant pagoda
As I said comp games
Again metrics
stark bobcat
If I say comp games my metric is how well you'll hear footsteps
vagrant pagoda
Doesn't matter what game, a good set of speakers will kill headphones in total sound response.
vagrant pagoda
Frequency response
stark bobcat
Must be some pretty terrible headphones if they don't cover 20hz-20khz
How do you quantify any frequency response as better aside from if there are obvious flaws such as prominent dips at certain frequencies which competent headphones also don't have
cursive summit
I solidly prefer it to my hd6xx, and id even say it's slightly better than the 5...
Whatever you say can't be trusted after you stanned for NDH20 so hard only for it to be ass
astral haven
Doesn't matter what game, a good set of speakers will kill headphones in total s...
Yea that's incorrect
A surround setup is heavily affected by your room, and thus the surround audio needs to be highly generic
Also games don't yet support Atmos, so the exact positioning of your speakers isn't defined and thus could be very different from how it's mastered
Finally the hrtf of games is often over optimized to make the sound sound even more directional than would be possible in a surround setup
shadow minnow
https://www.digikey.de/en/products
Any recommendations for an exact one
vagrant pagoda
Yea that's incorrect
A surround setup is heavily affected by your room, and thus...
Games do support atmos
ashen spindle
nope, no clue
vagrant pagoda
Warzone/mw2 and Forza both do
astral haven
Whatever you say can't be trusted after you stanned for NDH20 so hard only for i...
Ndh20 is fantastic it's just you don't like the signature
cursive summit
Ndh20 is fantastic it's just you don't like the signature
I trust Fleimi who has listened to a lot more headphones than me and we literally came to the exact same conclusion
It's not fantastic, it's literally terrible
There is nothing but bloated bass
astral haven
That's just EQ đ¤ˇ
cursive summit
If bass distorting any and all enjoyment is a signature, then idk where the industry is going
stark bobcat
Your ears and someone else's will be different
cursive summit
That's my and Fleimis ears
astral haven
If bass distorting any and all enjoyment is a signature, then idk where the indu...
It's not distorting
It's just loud
Which is why you can fix it with an eq
astral haven
Do you know what an impulse response is?
cursive summit
No, why
cursive summit
I guess equalizer apo is not an eq then
astral haven
Equalizer apo supports impulse response correction
vagrant pagoda
Yea that's incorrect
A surround setup is heavily affected by your room, and thus...
Halo Infinite, warzone/mw, tiny Tina's wonderlands, Forza, no man sky, Jedi fallen order and re village are all Atmos audio games.
astral haven
That includes exactly 0 gameseith a competitive scene where sound positioning actually matters
vagrant pagoda
MS made Atmos a parity feature for Xbox and windows, so games will support it on both.
vagrant pagoda
That includes exactly 0 gameseith a competitive scene where sound positioning ac...
And competitive is how much of the market?
ashen spindle
csgo is still the most played game on steam
cursive summit
This is sad
stark bobcat
Probably more tbh
cursive summit
The biggest major in CS:GO's history is going on
In Rio, Brazil
The viewership is not that amazing
But I guess we aren't even in semis yet so, it'll be better
500k viewers is a lot for a bunch of tier 2 teams
gusty kiln
Well cod did just come out
stark bobcat
Eh viewership looks fine tbh not great but not terrible
ashen spindle
its thursday, half of NA is still asleep the other half is working
ashen spindle
NA viewrship is high
stark bobcat
NA and cs name a less iconic duo
vagrant pagoda
Like 1 million active players daily?
Yeah and Fortnite peaks at 25-30 million
cursive summit
Yeah and Fortnite peaks at 25-30 million
kids games don't count
stark bobcat
NA viewrship is high
Yeah but they don't really have much to cheer for
astral haven
NA and cs name a less iconic duo
Players sure
But the viewers are mostly usna
stark bobcat
Bit of a problem
shadow minnow
Eh viewership looks fine tbh not great but not terrible
3.6 average viewers?
ashen spindle
Yeah and Fortnite peaks at 25-30 million
concurrent??? no not even close lol
cursive summit
3.6 average viewers?
No no no
You see
They are all on their couches getting fat and watching majors cause they can't compete themselves
So they leave the hard work to south americans and europeans
And enjoy the live broadcasts
vagrant pagoda
concurrent??? no not even close lol
Yeah it dose on big events and releases
ashen spindle
For that information, we can look to a website like PlayerCounter. According to their figures, Fortnite sees between 2.9 and 4 million concurrent players at any one time (just under 3 million at the time of writing)
stark bobcat
League has the same problem the na scene is dying and their viewership in na slowly dwindling
ashen spindle
yes thats more than csgo but 2 times more not 20 times more
vagrant pagoda
Yeah 3-4 million average not peak
astral haven
And that also doesn't have Atmos
gusty kiln
Damn, wonder what's the concurrent for apex steam + origin
astral haven
25 /s
ashen spindle
anyway, funny how on twitter and reddit you simultaneously see people say N31 will beat 4090 and that it only reaches 4070, deja vu to rdna2 launch lmfao
astral haven
anyway, funny how on twitter and reddit you simultaneously see people say N31 wi...
I really dunno tho
They already played the cache card before, and they are dialing it back now...
stark bobcat
I'm excited for the performance implications of a chiplet based approach
astral haven
I'm excited for the performance implications of a chiplet based approach
The GPU isn't chiplet
stark bobcat
Ik
stark bobcat
Still will make a difference
astral haven
Rumored klawks are the same as last gens rumors were...
cursive summit
I really dunno tho
They already played the cache card before, and they are diali...
Tbf AMD played the budget end until RDNA2
I dunno if people really expected AMD to contest top end
astral haven
Yes
Literally every 6900xt rumor was saying 2.9ghz
astral haven
Tbf AMD played the budget end until RDNA2
Except when they didn't have to eg 200 series and before
ashen spindle
yes and for rdna3 rumours add 700mhz to that lol
astral haven
yes and for rdna3 rumours add 700mhz to that lol
No current rumors are saying 3ghz right?
stark bobcat
6900 was pretty good tho much better than I had expected
gusty kiln
6950xt does really well in mw2
astral haven
6900 was pretty good tho much better than I had expected
I had two different expectations, either cache was gonna work and make it competitive or not work and it would flop
I thought flop was more likely but I'm glad I'm wrong
cursive summit
6900 was pretty good tho much better than I had expected
Back when RDNA2 launched I was thinking that the 6800XT would be king
Great value for performance you were getting
But they kept price cutting 6900XT at the very end for borderline half price making it such a compelling value
gusty kiln
6800xt goes for under 600 now
cursive summit
Imo 6900XT was the highlight of its generation
astral haven
Yea the only real problem with last gen was scalping
AMD had too few GPUs to compete practically
It was a bloodbath of Pascal vs Polaris proportions
stark bobcat
I mean they probably just made bank
cursive summit
I can try to get a 6900XT for a pretty damn compelling price nowadays
stark bobcat
With their money printers
astral haven
I mean they probably just made bank
Yea they made money, but Nvidia won that money printing contest
cursive summit
Nvidia has that Intel thing going
ashen spindle
epyc was just making too much to afford more rdna dies
stark bobcat
Sure but that was the expectation to begin with
cursive summit
Where AMD is for some reason considered the worse option
I'm happy that AMD is fucking with Intel heavily
astral haven
Where AMD is for some reason considered the worse option
Well the first gen with stable drivers they have released ever was rdna2
stark bobcat
Amd IS the worse option
cursive summit
And I hope they'll knock out Nvidia too
gusty kiln
Still lacking a good enocder vs nvidia
stark bobcat
I say that having bought an amd gpu
astral haven
Amd IS the worse option
Allegedly they have fixed drivers
stark bobcat
And I'd do it again
cursive summit
Still lacking a good enocder vs nvidia
Not at all, though
stark bobcat
Allegedly they have fixed drivers
Well the drivers are ok amd still has less features
hidden island
Nvidia is better all round... apart from price and dodgy advertising
astral haven
Allegedly they have fixed drivers
If they can prove it's not a fluke, then they may be just an option not the worse option
cursive summit
Nvidia is better all round... apart from price and dodgy advertising
And that's just plain wrong
Nvidia is not better all around if AMD manages to beat their performance last generation
ashen spindle
bleh twitter wont load for me, anyway 3.4ghz clocks for n31 was the last number from people who got stuff right before
cursive summit
Where AMD needs to step up heavily is productivity
Nvidia invests so damn heavily in that
hidden island
Not just about performance!
stark bobcat
Nvidia has so many more features if you need any of them you can't even consider amd
astral haven
And that's just plain wrong
It was correct untill rdna2 launched
And rdna2 is still slower than ampere, but it's not far behind enough to be competitive
hidden island
Encoders are better. Ai is better diss is better
ashen spindle
tf does " Ai is better" mean
cursive summit
DLSS2 isn't that much better than FSR2.1
astral haven
DLSS2 isn't that much better than FSR2.1
It's better enough to matter
cursive summit
AMD is comparable to Nvidia for better prices
astral haven
AMD is comparable to Nvidia for better prices
Comparable but slower
ashen spindle
if you mean cuda has more support than rocm thats right for now I guess
hidden island
Ai support in software such a davinci
astral haven
Gets absolutely stomped in games
cursive summit
Meh, sometimes Nv loses out in raster perf
stark bobcat
if you mean cuda has more support than rocm thats right for now I guess
That is 1 example
astral haven
That is 1 example
It's a thousand examples lel
ashen spindle
yes and I also said for now as meta just recently published a pytorch thing that converts cuda to rocm and their own facebook stuff got a massive speedup from using rocm
ashen spindle
wont fix it all but it's not hopeless
no we dont have bad news, we just have the usual up down before the release
cursive summit
Twitter
ashen spindle
where it suddenyly becoems 2x worse and better
hidden island
Meta 𤣠F facebook
cursive summit
I guess we aren't beating 4090 perf
stark bobcat
https://twitter.com/greymon55/status/1588178514036985857
Not unexpected
ashen spindle
doesnt matter what you think of meta, they do a lot of work in AI datacenter etc.
ashen spindle
yeah nvidia is still king in powerdraw
cursive summit
Fuck the productivity just go all out on gaming perf
hidden island
The way marks pumping money in.. its only got a few years left in it
stark bobcat
I was hoping for around 4090 perf for 1100$
With your electricity prices I'd buy a 1030
ashen spindle
The way marks pumping money in.. its only got a few years left in it
ok that is not relevant at all to pytorch and resulting code making rocm faster etc.
cursive summit
With your electricity prices I'd buy a 1030 <:havo:975821613415157860>
Ay I am running my RX5700 super undervolted comfortably
Actually this card consumes barely any kwh
I did a weird.. bios glitch
Where I tried fucking with power limits, completely overriding them to the point they glitched out
So this card now runs at like 0-50mhz idle
hidden island
Nvidia will always have an edge regardless. They hold back and just beat the competition when needed. Being amd right now
astral haven
I actually think Nvidia thinks rdna3 will be slower than the 4090
If they thought it would be faster, they would have started out with more cuda cores and eat some of the margins
ashen spindle
https://ai.facebook.com/blog/gpu-inference-engine-nvidia-amd-open-source/ this was what I was referring to
think that one was missing the direct comparison of a100 and mi250 though
cursive summit
I actually think Nvidia thinks rdna3 will be slower than the 4090
If they though...
If they thought AMD'd be faster they wouldn't have canceled full size AD102
Probs
Now who knows if we'll be seeing the Ada titan card
stark bobcat
https://ai.facebook.com/blog/gpu-inference-engine-nvidia-amd-open-source/ this w...
That is honestly wonderful and is gonna probably bring me great joy in the future
astral haven
If they thought AMD'd be faster they wouldn't have canceled full size AD102
You mean 4090ti?
That is coming next ear regardless of amd?
ashen spindle
why would they cancel free money
astral haven
It's actually not possible to cancel it
cursive summit
Also the full size AD102 was more like a RTX4000 Titan anyways, not really a 4090Ti
stark bobcat
Jensen is tired of winning
ashen spindle
they just keep some dies they dont put into workstation cards and are good enough and release them at insane prices and gamers will eat it up
astral haven
What kopite probably meant is they aren't working on it until they see the effect of rdna3
stark bobcat
Gamers and being dumb
ashen spindle
also saying we wont see titan ada could just mean instead of 99% cuda cores unlocked they go with like 95% for yields
4090 is only what, around 80% of the max die?
astral haven
also saying we wont see titan ada could just mean instead of 99% cuda cores unlo...
The 4090 is missing an entire 3050 worth of cuda cores
stark bobcat
I don't wanna know how much 100% will consume
astral haven
And it's missing a ton of cache
stark bobcat
It makes me shudder
cursive summit
https://twitter.com/jakesucky/status/1587872902296137729?s=46&t=GjE4-dmv4a1EF8_X...
"A keyboard never before seen"
Sounds like a Wooting TKL HE
astral haven
I don't wanna know how much 100% will consume
The exact amount Nvidia tells it to consume because Nvidia isn't ignoring power spikes any more
cursive summit
Where's the Wooting 1 HE at
wanton grail
Sounds like a Wooting TKL HE
With a screen, GPU and CPU built in
cursive summit
Sounds boring
wanton grail
Itâs so bloated itâs kind of gross
cursive summit
Anyways where Wooting 1HE at
stark bobcat
The exact amount Nvidia tells it to consume because Nvidia isn't ignoring power ...
Ofc but it's gonna be a lot
wanton grail
But neat if you have stupid amount of money to burn
astral haven
Ofc but it's gonna be a lot
If Nvidia wants it to consume 200w it will
If Nvidia wants it to consume 1000w it will
ashen spindle
oh it's 88% of the max cores for the 4090
stark bobcat
Nvidia wouldn't make it consume 200w
ashen spindle
so yeah there is room for a non titan but still 90ti
astral haven
Nvidia wouldn't make it consume 200w
1080 was around there
stark bobcat
Yeah bygone era now
hidden island
But who wants a keyboard called final mouse.. bet they regret that name now lol
hidden island
But we all know what that stands for
reef patrol
FM? Why not AM? FM is so overrated.
frozen ingot
I feel like that keyboard is the definition of feature bloat
astral haven
The pi model 400 tho
stark bobcat
They could prolly call it "gives us money you stupid fat fuck" and people would buy it
hidden island
Good video about dpi being totally different mouse to mouse. Final mouse did poorly
gusty kiln
I feel like that keyboard is the definition of feature bloat
Classic scope creep
cursive summit
Like wooting
Okay but where Wooting 1HE at
stark bobcat
Just cut a wooting 2he in half
gusty kiln
Did they say what the case material is made out of?
stark bobcat
The wooting 2/2HE
frozen ingot
probably sapphire glass or some shit given their excess in everything else
gusty kiln
Hmm
frozen ingot
I struggle to see that keyboard selling for less than like $600 with all that bloat
without some serious compromises
stark bobcat
Why did they even make a keyboard?
gusty kiln
Their switch implementation will definitely suffer with all those other features they are working on
cursive summit
Why did they even make a keyboard?
Milking muppets
cursive summit
Where there is fancy lights, there is someone who will buy it
gusty kiln
Basically to be the most instagram-able keyboard
empty wren
U can watch a movie on your kb?
That seems cool but why
stark bobcat
Well idk if it's even cool just seems pointless to me
empty wren
Well if it can be jailbroken
stark bobcat
Probably for the people who can't touchtype and have to look down at they kb every 2 seconds
empty wren
Oh yeah that does but does it matter if the switches are mechanical
stark bobcat
đ¤ˇââď¸
ashen spindle
gotta hit the 8k marketing number so you can have that and find some QC thing that you ignore instead
gusty kiln
empty wren
Nahh 0.74-1.4ms
wanton grail
Oh yeah that does but does it matter if the switches are mechanical
Itâs Hall effect
empty wren
Ah nevermind then
gusty kiln
They gunna have lubed linear mech and HE
stark bobcat
Like idk why we need to overload our usb controllers so much for such imperceptible gains
wanton grail
Like idk why we need to overload our usb controllers so much for such impercepti...
Its own power supply
Itâs so bloated itâs not even funny
empty wren
Like idk why we need to overload our usb controllers so much for such impercepti...
Because they never get used that much lol
wanton grail
All for the question ofâŚ. âWhy?â
stark bobcat
Its own power supply
Your usb controller still has to process the data
gusty kiln
Hope it's at least usb-c powered
wanton grail
Your usb controller still has to process the data
Just the 4k
Screen is processed by the keyboard
Yes, with an analog keyboard built in
stark bobcat
Itâs Hall effect
Got a source?
gusty kiln
Texts on the video
stark bobcat
Ewwwww
wanton grail
HE analog yeah
stark bobcat
Texts on the video
The most annoying way of relaying information ever devised by man
wanton grail
Look at the video
wanton grail
The most annoying way of relaying information ever devised by man
Of course, itâs Finalmouse
I mean, I say all this as a fairly happy owner of a starlight
gusty kiln
How's the software with their nice?
wanton grail
Itâs on the tweet
wanton grail
How's the software with their nice?
LOL
astral haven
Hall effect is considered mechanical generally
wanton grail
Their firmware updater is all they have, one of the most clunkiest you will see
stark bobcat
If it's he at least it has something going for it
gusty kiln
Yikes
stark bobcat
If they can implement analogue features
frozen ingot
why would you want anything other than hall effect if that's an option
wanton grail
Itâs not the best of the best but itâs more than sufficient
I thought about modding a viper v2 into it until I saw Ninjutsu Sora
stark bobcat
Is finalmouse capable of writing usable software for thei keyboards
wanton grail
I m just gonna hard swap to Sora
wanton grail
Is finalmouse capable of writing usable software for thei keyboards
Very unlikely
stark bobcat
Trash then
wanton grail
Unless they steal wooting members
stark bobcat
Doubt
gusty kiln
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wanton grail
Doubt
Yes
43 grams. I refuse to go above 50 grams now
20 gram difference in weight
40 grams is my happy place
astral haven
why would you want anything other than hall effect if that's an option
Optical is alot cheaper and doesn't get messed up by wireless chargers and drawing tablets
wanton grail
Shape matters too
astral haven
I have it's pretty nice
frozen ingot
as I understand it the first option isn't even optical but just regular binary mech switches
wanton grail
I very briefly handled one of those fingertip mice, the dwarf ones, I wasnât a huge fan. I also donât like half size, I m a hybrid cow
frozen ingot
or am I missing some detail
wanton grail
Hybrid claw* grip
astral haven
I very briefly handled one of those fingertip mice, the dwarf ones, I wasnât a h...
Just have smaller hands smh
frozen ingot
the finalmouse descriptions on the board are pretty darn vague
wanton grail
the finalmouse descriptions on the board are pretty darn vague
Their MO
stark bobcat
Bow before the cursed 1:3:1 grip
gusty kiln
as I understand it the first option isn't even optical but just regular binary m...
Probably for people who like the traditional feel/ sound
wanton grail
Probably for people who like the traditional feel/ sound
That makes sense
But no way that keyboard⌠sounds normal in anyway
gusty kiln
I bet it'll be just another gateron clones with factory lube
wanton grail
Probably to skip the $300-$400 mark up if anything
frozen ingot
I would reckon they'd go with tactile or something for the regular option since the HE will most likely be linear too
so there's likely going to be very little difference in feel between them
stark bobcat
It's going to be extraordinarily expensive is my guess
gusty kiln
HE version will be a $100 upcharge i bet
stark bobcat
I find the idea of a tactile or clicky HE switch kinda laughable
wanton grail
HE version will be a $100 upcharge i bet
$200 upcharge minimum, maybe $300-400
This is Finalmouse
stark bobcat
Until they engineer a way to adjust the position of the bump/click
wanton grail
Itâs a âboutiqueâ
frozen ingot
since they're even bothering making two versions, they'll upcharge the latter a lot
stark bobcat
The wooting one had a clicky option right?
wanton grail
The wooting one had a clicky option right?
How? âŚ.why?
frozen ingot
yes it did
ashen spindle
yes flaretechs were clicky or linear
stark bobcat
How ? Probably a click jacket. Why? Don't ask me
ashen spindle
why, well people wanted it
gusty kiln
People have moved on to click bar right?
frozen ingot
wooting didn't design the flaretechs, they were already available as clicky or linear so was much easier to offer as option
lekkers however are their own design so they'd have to design other variants than linear to offer them
stark bobcat
I don't think it's worth offering something else
reef patrol
Not quite accurate either. The Flaretechs as we know them were indeed a co-operative project with Adomax.
stark bobcat
Linear is the perfect fit for analogue boards
frozen ingot
yeah it doesn't really make sense to me adding bumps and stuff in the travel
it just messes up the response curves permanently
gusty kiln
Just put a tiny speaker inside the wooting to make a click sound
gusty kiln
Like the solenoids on old chonk keyboard