🔌│tech

[vagrant pagoda]

They meet hdr400 too

[astral haven]

Basically yes but there are more requirements

[astral haven]

They exceed 400 quite significantly

[cursive summit]

Why on earth would I need more than HDR400

[vagrant pagoda]

400 nits?

[astral haven]

That's like saying a Tesla can do 0-60 in 20 seconds

[cursive summit]

The 250 nit normal brightness is already enough for me

400 is too much already

[astral haven]

That's just flash brightness

[tropic nacelle]

Yes but true black is very different, if you can then off pixels on demand you need a significantly less brighter peak to show contrast and brightness difference.

Hence why OLED is great even at lower brightness as it can have an infinite contrast ratio over led

[vagrant pagoda]

Yeah it's peak

Non sustained

[astral haven]

And hdr is about being able to see details in shadows

The more important part is the minimum brightness

[vagrant pagoda]

Yeah good blacks > high brightness

High brightness only looks good if your room is already bright

[cursive summit]

I live in the shade 18 hours a day

[tropic nacelle]

It's why LED/LCD look better if you keep high ambient lighting to hide to poor black levels.

[vagrant pagoda]

A hdr1000 monitor will look like shit next to a hdr400 with local dimming in a dark room

And oled will blow them both away in dark

[cursive summit]

My LGCX's HDR looks quite phenomenal though

[tropic nacelle]

Pretty sure hdr1000 requires multiple dimming zones though

[vagrant pagoda]

Nope

[astral haven]

400 basically has no min brightness requirement (1k:1)
600 requires 3000:1
1000 requires 20k:1

[vagrant pagoda]

It dosent actually

[vagrant pagoda]

This

[astral haven]

It requires a contrast ratio of 20k:1

[vagrant pagoda]

Yeah but it can be full screen

[astral haven]

Which is unattainable on LCD without dimming

[vagrant pagoda]

It just has to be 8ms white to black

It can be full screen dimming

[astral haven]

Nope

[tropic nacelle]

https://displayhdr.org/performance-criteria-cts1-1/

It has all the criteria here

[astral haven]

Active dimming checkerboard is the important one

[tropic nacelle]

Looks like hdr600 and above requires some form of local dimming.

[tropic nacelle]

Yeah because it's OLED, they can actually display HDR properly for the most part. For LED/LCD you need to be spending more on them as the low end cannot handle HDR besides saying "yep I read the metadata and did nothing with it as I can't render that "

[vagrant pagoda]

@astral haven https://rog.asus.com/us/monitors/above-34-inches/rog-strix-xg43uq-model/

[astral haven]

K

[vagrant pagoda]

VA, no local dimming Hdr1000

Explain

[astral haven]

It has dimming

It's just edge dimming which is allowed on va

[tropic nacelle]

As carmonben says it does have a form of local dimming it's just the worst possible type and useless but it's technically there haha.

It's why displayHDR is mostly a stupid standard, I get why they wanted it to be a thing but they really needed to be stricter on these aspects.

[astral haven]

^

But also it's probably actually fine

[tropic nacelle]

You would just turn it off, in normal content it's probably still great.

With it on you just have massive haloing on a few sections as it doesn't work sufficiently to the area it's needed

[astral haven]

Yep

My g7 was 600 rated but I was having a great time with local dimming off

[cursive summit]

G7 is sooo damn expensive though

It's one of the best Odyssey displays considering how bad G5 and I think G3 were

500$ though, a bit steep entry fee

[astral haven]

Heh

$500 and 4 returns

[tropic nacelle]

Good old Samsung QC HAHA

[cursive summit]

I didn't know though that they released Odyssey G4, G6 and G8

[astral haven]

They also have the g7 G8 g9 neos

[cursive summit]

They followed the typical 3 - 5 -7 - 9 pattern originally

How good are the new boys I wonder

[astral haven]

The G8 neo is the current best monitor period imo

[cursive summit]

G9 Neo I read that HU gave it an unfavourable review

[tropic nacelle]

If you getting VA then the Samsung's are the only worthwhile ones in their g5+ series as they are actually fast and have no real perceptible black smearing which is the only real con of VA compared to IPS

[astral haven]

Yea it's 2 g7s stapled together

[cursive summit]

Wtf at G8 neo being priced higher than G9 Neo

I can get a G9N for 1149€ rn, G8N for 1500€

[astral haven]

Yea
The G8 neo is better

Higher res, better packed dimming zones

[cursive summit]

Higher res? Aren't all G8s and G9s 4K ultrawide?

[tropic nacelle]

Personally couldn't go back to IPS or VA, OLED is the only way for me these days.

Glad they finally filtered into the monitor market as we were getting fleaced for crappy monitors for too long

[astral haven]

G9 is double 1440p

It's 2 27 inch 1440p screens

4k> 2x1440p

It's awesome

[cursive summit]

I don't see why you would want something so... wide

[astral haven]

And it also has the lowest latency of basically any digital monitor with dimming off

[cursive summit]

Those ultrawides don't make sense for me at all

double display makes even less sense

[astral haven]

Which appears to be why G8 is more expensive lel

Also the g7 neo is not bad at all

[cursive summit]

I looked into the G8 neo, it looks amazing

32" size, exact thing that I have, but curved

[astral haven]

Same panel as G8 neo but just limited to 165hz

Anyways gotta head off to work

[cursive summit]

I guess the only thing off putting with G8N is the resolution

4K is just.. why

I guess half price off of 1000$ is not a bad deal

Oh it's damaged packaging product

The thing is intact just packaging is fucked

Which is completely fine as long as the display is half off

[stark bobcat]

If I spend 500€ on smth I expect it to have no dead pixels

[cursive summit]

Amazon adds that to all returns though

[stark bobcat]

600 actually

[cursive summit]

I don't think they ever check why the thing was returned

I have local shops that buy up those returns, test them out and sell them for like 40% discount than other "new" shops

They just list why the thing was returned, 90% of cases it's just packaging damage

What

[stark bobcat]

These are not crts

[cursive summit]

That is sadly not how that works

Hz don't multiply

You.. should know that based on your previous conversations

[stark bobcat]

Crts used to work like that modern displays simply don't

[tropic nacelle]

I miss my crt 😦

[cursive summit]

Valve??

There's a valve studio?

I guess it's something else from the game company Valve but the naming is peculiar

[cursive summit]

https://9to5mac.com/2022/10/27/iphone-15-pro-solid-state-buttons/

Solid state?

Is NAND flash so cheap now

[astral haven]

hope you are joking lel

[cursive summit]

Yes

I've never heard of a solid state button though

From the description it appears to be a touch-enabled button

[astral haven]

touch only

[cursive summit]

Doesn't functionally get pressed, just registers a click with touch controls and buzzes

[astral haven]

yep

probably pressure sensitive

[cursive summit]

I can't say I like those, they are prolly prone to breaking

[astral haven]

???

thats just no

[cursive summit]

It'd prolly be quite easy to replace a mechanical button, a touch one? Not so much

[astral haven]

yes but touch buttons dont break

[cursive summit]

A good comment I saw is "What innovation"

Seriously, who asked for touch buttons?

If anything most people are against touch controls

Clunky and unreliable

It feels like another step in Apple's march towards completely solid design phone

[astral haven]

apple
making clunky and unreliable tech useable and pretending they invented it since 1994

[cursive summit]

Okay let's be real, dynamic island is the most stupid invention I've ever heard of

[ashen spindle]

not sure how its unreliable though

[cursive summit]

And they claimed it's innovation

It's a damn glorified massive notch that they themselves tried to get rid of

[astral haven]

touch buttons in cars are a travesty

[cursive summit]

Then Apple brings back a massive notch calls it a feature, and gets applauded

Man such innovation

[ashen spindle]

ok but because they are made bad not because touch in itself is unrealiable

[cursive summit]

Touch is unreliable

[astral haven]

no its not

[cursive summit]

I heard that people are not happy with airpods pro touch controls

They press randomly

[ashen spindle]

is your airpod the size of a phone?

[astral haven]

thats just poor design
the touch itself works perfectly

[cursive summit]

With a button you press it whenever you want it to, it needs some pressure to activate

[astral haven]

that is also true for the airpods

[cursive summit]

With touch if it's so badly calibrated, it'll get activated just by a hand brushing on the chassis of the phone

I can't say I like that idea

[astral haven]

the same is true for physical buttons

and physical buttons cant be modified by firmware updates

[cursive summit]

If there's some kind of haptics to it so that you do have to push into it for touch to activate, I mean sure, but why even go for such design?

[ashen spindle]

ok so you say its bad if calibration is bad, buttons are also bad if they rattle because you added them badly

[cursive summit]

Buttons are a tried and tested, fully functional design

Why innovate on what works

[ashen spindle]

yet buttons can still suck

[astral haven]

because pressure sensors are 10 million times longer lifespan than microswitches

[cursive summit]

What?

I want sources on that, that sounds absurd

[astral haven]

the lifespan of a solid state pressure sensor is practically infinite as long as you dont plastically deform it

and since you can make them out of steel, they have a practically unlimited lifespan

generally they are rated for 25hz at 20k or 100k hours

thats 2 or 9 trillion cycles

vs microswitches of similar size being 1-20 million cycles

[pale sigil]

This took way to long but finally

QR login and desktop disabled Bluetooth fix

[ashen spindle]

hmm 7600x with 2 ccds, wonder if its just some 12/16 cores that died and are getting fully killed or if you can enable a second ccd if you get lucky

[vagrant pagoda]

Lots of 5600/5800s had 2 dies physically

Only one enabled

They oc really good

As the 5900/5950x bin is better

[ashen spindle]

yea

[vagrant pagoda]

It's likely failure when packaging

On the 5600 and 5800 dual ccx you get both temp sensors lol

So you only have one working ccx but get a ccx2 temp sensor

[ashen spindle]

oh right I was mixing it up with threadripper where they used dummy dies for structural integrity , derp

[astral haven]

amd doesnt have any problems selling those since their margins are insano

[astral haven]

the "dummy" dies are identical to the normal ones

but on threadripper there is a different substrate that has a faster connection between the alive dies

[vagrant pagoda]

Odd that one dosent show temp

The 5600x I have shows a temp sensor on the second ccx

[ashen spindle]

yeah the 7700x that was delidded had only one so I somehow thought it would be something new but forgot that we already had that with 5000

[astral haven]

Hyyyype

[vagrant pagoda]

Gonna wear your sunglasses at night

[astral haven]

yep my special 1080p oled sunglasses

[coarse nexus]

Hello! I'm wondering if the Wooting engineers (or any enthusiasts here) have a CAD or MESH of a 60% ANSI keyboard layout, with keys. I've done my homework, and I'm shocked that I haven't been able to find one!

I'm making a 3d printable HE60 chassis with modular accessories.
I have a clever idea I want to try, and I don't want to manually measure and add the keys to the existing CAD files if I don't have to.

Reference Links
My ongoing project blog: https://hackaday.io/project/187584-fully-analog-60-hid-cluster
Existing Github Design Files: https://github.com/WootingKb/wooting-design

[ashen spindle]

uhhh someone else had the same questions some days ago

[coarse nexus]

That was probably me.

[ashen spindle]

ah might've been haha, did you send them an email so they can see if they have one internally?

[coarse nexus]

after the post, I doubled down my quest to find something that pre-exists, and turned up empty-handed.

I had not considered an email. I was hoping they'd see that request up there.
An email is a good idea.

[ashen spindle]

they watch but stuff gets lost in discord fast so an email makes sure someone will get to it

[pale sigil]

@modest adder maybe ask Kevin?

[coarse nexus]

I don't know Kevin :^(.

[pale sigil]

I was tagging Erik to ask for ya :p

He's the one who designs everything :p

But yes you could also email.

[coarse nexus]

Thanks!! That's sure to help!

[cursive summit]

I really fail to see where they would be good

Do they transmit data via bluetooth?

So I can keep my phone in the pocket and watch videos while walking on the glasses?

[coarse nexus]

Not video. Latency is too high for Bluetooth to support streaming video, but I suspect you can just run a wire into your phone in your pocket.

If these are the ones I looked at earlier, they reduce size and weight by having no built-in battery. Instead they draw power from the connected device.

[cursive summit]

Carmonben got https://news.lenovo.com/pressroom/press-releases/glasses-t1-wearable-display-for-gaming-streaming-privacy-on-the-go/

Lenovo T1's

[astral haven]

no

[cursive summit]

I kinda like the look of them

[coarse nexus]

But they support head tracking, so you can put a virtual monitor infront of you, and then look around, which is nice. Any idea if it handles 6dof (lateral movement) or just 3dof (rotation)

[cursive summit]

But they are only USB-C

[astral haven]

yes

1 usb c cable

[cursive summit]

I kinda want that wireless functionality

[astral haven]

to your phone in your pocket or your steam deck

[astral haven]

thats not gonna work

ever

[cursive summit]

Makes sense

[coarse nexus]

give it a few years. I think Wifi6 supports the kind of bandwidth that would need.

[cursive summit]

Hmm, I also carry my backpack a lot, I guess they would also fit really well with backpacks that have smartphone cable holes

I just wonder how on earth do you control them, with eyes or somethin?

[astral haven]

but not the latency
you need reprojection after that

[astral haven]

you control it with your phone
or its just a video screen for the steam deck

[coarse nexus]

good point!

[cursive summit]

So it's not as sophisticated as I'd want them to be

Like being able to control the thing with eyes

[astral haven]

it has no brain

its also far too small and light to have any serious features

[cursive summit]

I get the idea, but they are lacking some crucial functionality for me to go for them

[astral haven]

i dont know what you want but this is not what you think it is

[cursive summit]

Do those lenses actually have any kind of correctional features?

For peeps with different types of eyesight issues

[astral haven]

you can clip in prescription lenses onto a prescription lens holder

it comes with a dummy that you can ask your optometrist to custom make lenses for

folks on reddit said $100 for custom lenses for them

i think the main actual use for these is large perfectly ergonomically placed screen for a laptop or gaming portable

the ar part is a gimmic

[cursive summit]

I kinda wanted these for on-the-go content consumption

But for that they would need some kind of controls

[astral haven]

thats what these are perfect for

you control it from your phone...

[cursive summit]

Cause I would love to pop a video and just walk somewhere

I don't want to pull out my phone every few mins to turn something else on

[astral haven]

watch longer videos?

get better youtube recommendeds?

[cursive summit]

We have eye tracking software, I wonder if it'd be difficult to make them use eye controls

[astral haven]

you need eye tracking hardware for that

[cursive summit]

Yeah those aren't good arguments bud

[astral haven]

look you arent supposed to use these while moving

its for when riding the bus or train

[cursive summit]

They would be absolutely amazing for hikes and stuff

[astral haven]

????

hike in more pretty places lel

[vivid vine]

https://www.igorslab.de/en/adapter-of-the-gray-analyzed-nvidias-brand-hot-12vhpwr-adapter-with-built-in-breakpoint/

[cursive summit]

I don't have tropical stuff to look at

Hike is more of an exercise than a picturesque experience

[ashen spindle]

alreadly info that might be outdated/wrong/incomplete

[vivid vine]

Somebody found something else out in a day? What is the newest news now?

Lol Seems like 40 Series is just a shit show

[ashen spindle]

it seems it could also be the connector prongs inside the adapter since the nvidia version vs the rest is different

[astral haven]

doesnt make it any safer to have your view obscured while moving around

[ashen spindle]

the metal where the pins go in has 2 cutouts so bending could cause that you miss contact on half of it and thus double the resistance

[cursive summit]

RDNA3 got delayed, well that's sad

[ashen spindle]

???

[cursive summit]

Announcement seems to be still on Nov 3rd https://twitter.com/greymon55/status/1585873034820583425

But the launch is now in december

https://twitter.com/greymon55/status/1585904217101078530

What's up with the embeds not working

[ashen spindle]

anyway thits could explain the molten things since the connector breaking off would not really cause the front part to melt

could be a mix of both

could be something else thats been overlooked

[vivid vine]

Yes its just getting worse, they should have just did the og 8 pins and called it a day

[ashen spindle]

only thing we know for sure is the standard causes way too many issues over nothing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvSetyi9vj8 heres more info

[vivid vine]

Glad I do not have one or want one

[ashen spindle]

also goes about safety margins on the 8 vs the 12pin

[vivid vine]

Just want to go get a 3080/ TI and waterblock it

[ashen spindle]

and it seems the 4090 treats the 12pin as one connector vs the 3090ti where it treats it as 3 different plugs coming into one 12pin so they load balance it better

[astral haven]

hope they come up with a solution that doesnt involve 6 shunts

[ashen spindle]

not forcing AiBs to use it would be one solution

not using it on cards that work with 2 8 pins and dont use the tiny board would also be a good step lmfao

[astral haven]

i like 3x8 pin tbh

and im fine with quad 8 pin as long as its on the back of the card

[ashen spindle]

no I mean they are even going to use it on 4080/70 where tdp is <300w

which just makes no sense

[astral haven]

i mean standardizing is also fine tbh

[ashen spindle]

yeah I would not mind it if it was better lmao

[astral haven]

screw terminal gpu power connectors lel

but also the motherboard side power connectors of apple are actually not bad at all

[ashen spindle]

oof didnt know it was that bad, first negative operating profit for intel server since basically ever

[fickle ore]

yet up 10% today since estimates beat

[ashen spindle]

well just 5 % this week but yea

but one is just immediate worth vs general trend

like this is bad for intel, but sometimes bad/good for company means the opposite for the stock price

[fickle ore]

Linear trend is still up :>

Trend is something that's has been happening for 3 years in a row

[astral haven]

also this appears to include reinvestment

gelsinger isnt playing the quick game, hes in for the long haul

[ashen spindle]

it's still a 1.5b decline in revenue when amd is up 0.5b in revenue for data center

[astral haven]

sure

but again this is just stock shenanigans

[fickle ore]

Will be interesting to see whether they can get the upper hand back in perf/power and efficiency in near future. That should climb.

[ashen spindle]

yeye, we wont fully know if pats plan worked or not till 24/25

[astral haven]

really just depends on your definition of near

before 25 is unlikely tho

[ashen spindle]

well next two gens are SPR and EMR and intel aint winning shit with them vs genoa lmfao

[fickle ore]

Unless they go TMSC ig

[ashen spindle]

if they ever even get to fixing SPR lel

[astral haven]

nah regardless

[fickle ore]

Time for some financial trickery in the meanwhile

[astral haven]

also dont be too sure about that
i think sierra forest will be the competitor to genoa
and emr will be sold to the folks who need the intel features

[fickle ore]

where did they lose the money since revenue hasnt declined that much

[astral haven]

they are spending alot

[fickle ore]

where my chip act money at

[astral haven]

thats not revenue

[ashen spindle]

yes SPR was meant to be vs Milan, and idk when sierra forest is coming, intel put that into 2024 on the roadmap, genoa is out already

well, somewhat out, event in 2 weeks

[fickle ore]

Guess it's excluded from operational profit

[astral haven]

🤷 genoa will be slower than spr for alot of folks

amd is still targeting only the hyperscalers

[ashen spindle]

sure but the demand is still there, amd is still almost entirely production bound for server lol

[astral haven]

as if intel isnt?

[ashen spindle]

not sure how you can have a massive revenue drop if your production is maxed out and instantly sold

[astral haven]

selling for cheaper

amds cpus are nearly pure profit

intels are nooooooot

[ashen spindle]

yeah I guess technically if you throw them away for free its production bound again

[astral haven]

amd can drop the price siiiiiignificantly and still have plenty of rnd cash for next gen

thats not what is happening and you know it

[ashen spindle]

compared to the prices they would like to charge xd

[astral haven]

drops from 8k to more like 6k arent that numerically crazy

[cursive summit]

Do we know AMD's margins?

How expensive are those 7000 series chips

They are on 5nm right? The smaller the node, the more expensive wafers are

They can't be super cheap

[ashen spindle]

like 70$ for a 7950x

[cursive summit]

How

[ashen spindle]

chiplet

[astral haven]

the chips are tiiiiiiny

[cursive summit]

Where do I get a 7950x for 200$

[astral haven]

when theres competition that would lead them to sell at that price...

[cursive summit]

I hope there's some kind of sources for that

Cause those are tiny costs

[ashen spindle]

^

[cursive summit]

Okay but, sources?

[ashen spindle]

math

how many chips can you put on one wafer

wafer costs 20k or so

[cursive summit]

So 5nm FinFET, 64mb's of L3, 16 of L2 and a bunch of other things like controllers, etc costs... 70$

How

[astral haven]

https://youtu.be/oMcsW-myR

[ashen spindle]

a wafer costs around 20k

the chips are reaaaaaaaly tiny

[astral haven]

for that you get almost 800 ccd's

[cursive summit]

Dead url

[astral haven]

https://youtu.be/oMcsW-myRCU

[ashen spindle]

you cut the U off

ya

[astral haven]

ewps

[ashen spindle]

same thing as with zen3, look for costs, divide costs by wafers on chip

[gusty kiln]

hmmmm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JH1JkkmG_qQ&

[ashen spindle]

very accurate, give or take some $ cost packaging perhaps but on massive orders that comes out to the same

[gusty kiln]

7600x seems to be a cut 7900x

[cursive summit]

Okay lads I have a question

[astral haven]

yap
amd cant sell these anywhere near that cheap because that wouldnt pay for support, reinvestment, shipping etc

[cursive summit]

Why are these circular

[ashen spindle]

no thats just random

[cursive summit]

The dies are almost never circular

Usually square or rectangular

[astral haven]

you need to spin them to coat them

and the source crystals automatically form as cylinders

[cursive summit]

But there's a lot of waste

Is it possible to reuse all the remaining parts?

[astral haven]

which is why we made the cylinders bigger

[astral haven]

the edges of the die are usually trash anyways

[ashen spindle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rhs_NjaFxeo

[cursive summit]

Like, is it possible to "recycle" silicon and then make a new wafer

[ashen spindle]

just watch that

[astral haven]

obviously

but yes watch the video that has all you need to know

this is what wafers are made of

[final flame]

circular wafer just looks cooler 😎

[ashen spindle]

same things happened to some 5600x/5800x at the start, it would show up as CCD2 in HWinfo despite it only having one, comes from defects during packaging and such

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0s5TO9h6fco and if you want to know why/how 300mm

[gusty kiln]

https://preview.redd.it/h6wptybbgiw91.jpg?width=4000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7630198b14f05f934a996b552388938fee588b7e

[ashen spindle]

no not really

[pale sigil]

Cute

Don't show Lana

[gusty kiln]

who dat

[wheat plume]

https://youtu.be/VCq77iRhba8

Nothing Ear (Stick) (1)

what a name

[gusty kiln]

damn I completely forgot about that brand

[wheat plume]

the phone does look very pretty though

I love the even bezels on all sides

the light gimmick? nah m8

[gusty kiln]

software was under baked at launch, dunno about now

[wheat plume]

and the fucking bubbles .-.

who thought that looked good?

[gusty kiln]

I'm glad samsung stuck with smaller circles

[wheat plume]

the text and icons arent even centered

[final flame]

probably garbage like nothing's last true wireless

[wheat plume]

oh yeah, their first product

[final flame]

I like what nothing is trying to do, but their execution can be very shotty

[wheat plume]

^

I like the overall aesthetic

except these bubbles

just the tip, so to speak
Chris - 2022

or a small child's over-enthusiastic rendition of a new Little Mix song when they're off their tits on Haribo

LOL

[ashen spindle]

looks like we got a cpu bound game and driver overhead

[wheat plume]

I assume a GTX 1660 is better than a GTX 1060?

[ashen spindle]

yes

[wheat plume]

its nice that the recommended specs arent that bad

[gusty kiln]

what game is that

[wheat plume]

modern warfare 2 (2022)

[crimson wigeon]

Beeta ran playably enough with me R9 Fury, although I had it alll on low so it looked real potato

[gusty kiln]

lol R5 1400

dunno anyone with that cpu

[wheat plume]

FINALLY
CALL SCREENING WORKS FOR ME

Well, it's giving me the option now when I'm getting a call

[pale sigil]

I get the option but it doesn't actually talk for some reason

[wheat plume]

O?

[wheat plume]

I find it really odd that Facebook made a themed icon for Whatsapp but not the Facebook app or Instagram

If you going to make a themed icon for one app
Why not do it for all??

[pale sigil]

WhatsApp icon wasn't made by then though

[wheat plume]

Hmmm??

But they are in charge of the app now
So they made the themed icon

[pale sigil]

I really don't understand

[wheat plume]

I'm talking about the Android 13 themed icons that change color depending on your wallpaper

[pale sigil]

I doubt that's Facebook who's done it?

That just looks like a generic icon theme

[wheat plume]

It's not an icon theme

[pale sigil]

Is this a rom

[wheat plume]

Yes
But this is a stock Android feature

[pale sigil]

Then I doubt it's actually done by Facebook

Pixel experience I'm guessing

[wheat plume]

It has to be
The app devs need to make a themed icon per app
Google can't do it automatically via software

[pale sigil]

Ye no I'm very confident this is the pixel launcher

Lana you're not using stock stock

[wheat plume]

It's not
It's up to app devs

[pale sigil]

Lana im using the same rom

https://www.reddit.com/r/GooglePixel/comments/x4m4nb/whatsapp_has_a_themed_icon_on_android_13_on_my/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

[wheat plume]

It's literally on the app devs to theme the icons

[wheat plume]

Sadly not all the apps have one ;_;

I wish the devs would add support to their apps

[pale sigil]

Oh

Ok

I was looking at the wrong app icon

[wheat plume]

??

[pale sigil]

Thought you were saying the second bottom was a changed WhatsApp for some reason

[wheat plume]

I just find it odd that Facebook decided to add themed icon support to Whatsapp but non of their other apps

[pale sigil]

I don't

Facebook doesn't control all of their companies 1 to 1

They are all still independent

[wheat plume]

Oh

[pale sigil]

WhatsApp is it's own company under meta

[wheat plume]

But the apps say "made by Facebook" when you open them

[pale sigil]

So is insta

Because it is technically

But it's still its own independent company

[wheat plume]

Aliucord?

[ashen spindle]

It belongs to /is made by meta but they have separate teams working on it

[pale sigil]

Mhmm

Zuck doesn't micro manage everything under meta :p

[pale sigil]

Modded discord

Like better discord

[wheat plume]

I'm just glad that, for now, enough of the apps I keep on my home screen have themed icons

[pale sigil]

But it drains your battery

[wheat plume]

So does regular discord ;_;

[pale sigil]

Not as bad as modded

[wheat plume]

Oooff

[pale sigil]

I hate the newest discord on Android so much

[fierce aspen]

Should I get a 4070

Why

I mean

I never had a pc before

[wheat plume]

Yeah.. That's why
It's way way WAY too overkill

Especially for your first pc

[fierce aspen]

I wanna go all out for my first pc

I mean

My classmate did bought a 3080 for his i5

And it's a 3080ti

I'll see bout it

[stark bobcat]

we don't know anything about the cards that are gonna come out

so impossible to tell how the fps/€ will be

[astral haven]

Ok so initial reactions are it's awesome
It does feel like it's about 20 feet away
It seems legit huge

After 20 seconds tho I started seeing the pixel issues

Fkn OLED makers need to make RGB stripe displays

It's great for video but for text it's like using an OLED monitor...

[gusty kiln]

what does the sub-pixel layout look like?

hmmm my RTX 2080 has a usb-c output, wonder if I can use it without needing an adapter

[astral haven]

Bad enough that I can see fringing and bumpy subpixels on all text

[astral haven]

How serious are you, I do have a turing GPU laying around that I don't use if you want me to test it before you buy

[gusty kiln]

I am definitely going to buy this or the lenovo once it is available.

[gusty kiln]

rough, luckily it's mostly going to be entertainment for me

[astral haven]

Oh it's solidly ignorable
But I'm extremely sensitive to image quality issues

[idle wigeon]

add this on your keyboards

Best investment ever

[astral haven]

60hz only sadly?

they are on current firmware and yup 60hz only

Won't even allow 90hz custom res for more than a few secs

god they are quite resistant to custom reses

ok finally

[gusty kiln]

Oh shit nice

[astral haven]

i creep upwards

ya know actually id consider this smooth

this is not bad at all

they are getting uncomfortably hot tho

[gusty kiln]

[astral haven]

the uncomfortably hot part is on the outside tho which is nice

[wheat plume]

it hurts me how many people buy a monitor with a higher than 60Hz refresh rate, and they DONT CHANGE IT TO THAT RATE and they are stuck at 60Hz still and wonder why they see no difference

[cursive summit]

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-radeon-rx-7900xtx-and-7900xt-confirmed-by-leaker

XT : 20GB
XTX : 24GB

That's... a lot of VRAM

Too much VRAM

This is confusing though

So we have a Vcache version of 7900 series, 7950XT, 7900XTX and 7900XT

So many versions, why

[ashen spindle]

uhh no I think you are just confused and are mixing cpu and gpu names

[cursive summit]

I forgot the T

[ashen spindle]

well so far we expect 2-3 gpus with that start with 79

could be more could be less

[cursive summit]

We have all 4 near confirmed though

[ashen spindle]

no not really we have a confirmation on 2 basically

[cursive summit]

I don't imagine the Vcache and probs the 7950XT will come on launch

But the two 7900 models are probably getting announced

[ashen spindle]

7950xt could be the version with 1-hi memory

they might also never release that this generation

[cursive summit]

Actually a fair point

7950XT could be the vcache

And that'd make sense

If they are doing 2 models of 7900XT for.. some reason

[ashen spindle]

could also be 7900xt and 7950xtx and thats all we get

[cursive summit]

Although I think it makes sense to do 2 models of top end card

Price one at a price where it's a good bang for the buck

And another at a price premium

7900XT 1099 and XTX at like 1299

Best card will attract whales and the bang for the buck will attract most others

Makes sense, kind of

Later you just release your super high end Vcache card, drop the price on the 2 existing top ends by 100-200$ and price the new king at 1399-1499

[indigo delta]

No way people are that dumb

[wheat plume]

They are

[cursive summit]

They are

[indigo delta]

https://tenor.com/view/aaaaaaaa-gif-24210192

[cursive summit]

Wasn't this debunked?

[ashen spindle]

well, more so that it could be mroe than just that

[thick elk]

What was Igors lab's reasoning again?

From what I know it's a combination of a bad choice of connector terminals and low headroom on the connector/

[ashen spindle]

easy to break at the solder point for the cable makes it so little bending breaks the solder off

[pale sigil]

@shadow minnow Does los have any refund policy to try apps

@crisp granite

[empty wren]

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204084

Looks like more of a hassle if anything and apple might have to approve it

[cursive summit]

So, 4080 12GB wasn't a choice?

At least make them differ SOMEHOW

RTX 3060 Super or something like that

Bring back the super branding you used for a whole 1 generation

This is just confusing the customers

[crisp granite]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[ashen spindle]

well they are shitting out tons of skus and the g6x/g6 versions of a 3060 arent that much of a difference

unlike the ddr/gddr versions

and the 12gb 4080 was a entirely different chip

[cursive summit]

Wasn't there only the 6GB/12GB 3060 until now

[ashen spindle]

idk maybe

but the new ones are still barely a difference

[cursive summit]

Now peeps will have to pay attention not only to memory capacity but also memory type

[ashen spindle]

not really

because its not really a difference

[cursive summit]

I wonder if we'll ever have another 2060KO like product

Wasn't that like defective 2080 dies in a 2060 package?

[ashen spindle]

sort of but we likely wont

[cursive summit]

Well this is bloody annoying

I got a pretty unique error on my Win11 VM

"C:\Program Files\dotnet\sdk\6.0.402\NuGet.targets(132,5): error : 'Windows 11' is not a valid version string."

I can't do anything with Visual Studio 2022, not even repair the file, dotnet just doesn't work

[crisp granite]

https://www.theverge.com/2022/10/26/23423977/iphone-usb-c-eu-law-joswiak-confirms-compliance-lightning

fucking

finally

[astral haven]

Now we just need telephoto lenses and custom app support and then I can switch!

[crimson wigeon]

But all muh lightning peripherals!

[astral haven]

They already sell a lightning to c adapter

[frozen ingot]

tbh I have mixed feelings about legislation dictating this sort of thing

[astral haven]

I dont

[frozen ingot]

but the lightning port kinda had to go, or at least get significantly upgraded in specs

[astral haven]

The only thing that can't be allowed is legislation dictated proprietary standards
That's terrible

[frozen ingot]

the issue is legislators can get stuck on one standard and be slow to adapt to industry changes and improvements, we don't want to be stuck on current usb-c specs a decade or longer down the line because it has to pass through a ton of bureaucracy

[astral haven]

That's the advantage of USB c
Its backwards compatible and there is light-years of innovation to go on it

[ashen spindle]

yeah the regulation is to use type C connector, and you can just use usb4/5/6 with that in the future

[frozen ingot]

tbh as a hardware port I prefer lightning over usb-c, its a bit more rugged

[ashen spindle]

or w/e the name will be

[astral haven]

Yap and USB 4 is already capable of 80g bidi

[frozen ingot]

usb-c is decent though

[astral haven]

It's not

[frozen ingot]

it is to my own experience

I've had quite a lot more issues with usb-c ports and plugs starting to fail than lightning

its still a significant improvement over the abominable mini/micro-usb types though

[astral haven]

The advantage of USB c is the 24 pin magnetic adapters

They cost about 5 bucks each from AliExpress and you never have to worry about your port dying again

[frozen ingot]

I'm fine with usb-c being the standard for everything really, I really wouldn't be with something like mini/micro

that would piss me off to no end

[astral haven]

Did you know that the EU did actually legislate to require micro USB?

And that legislation is still in effect

[frozen ingot]

well it wouldn't be the first time the EU has legislated fucking stupid things

[astral haven]

Nah it's the only reason we have any standardization at all

You must not remember the old days

[frozen ingot]

I grew up in them so yeah I do

[astral haven]

Everyone had their own standard

30 pin was a tragedy

[frozen ingot]

tbh I'd still prefer everyone having their own standards over being stuck with micro-usb everywhere

my hatred for that cursed port knows no boundaries

[astral haven]

Tbh microusb is better than lightning because you can get magnetic adapters for it that are fully functional

[frozen ingot]

I've had so many micro-usb stuff break after mere months

to the point of ports literally snapping off the pcb with neglible force needed to do so

[astral haven]

And I haven't had any broken ports since I switched to only using the magnetic adapters

[frozen ingot]

sure but I don't think you should have to buy magnetic adapters for something to last more than two months

then that's just shitty design off the bat

[astral haven]

And yet at work we need ports replaced on phones on a monthly basis

[frozen ingot]

yeah its pretty shitty

[astral haven]

And what a shocker it's lightning because we only deploy iphones

[frozen ingot]

I have an ipad mini 2 from 2015 and the lightning port on that is still fine

meanwhile I have usb-c ports on phones that's started to fail in less than 2 years of use

I dunno, maybe am just unlucky

[astral haven]

The difference tho is there's a fully functional solution to that problem

[frozen ingot]

but similar thing happened to bfs usb-c devices

I mean you can get magnetic ports for lightning too if you want

[astral haven]

USB4.0 Thunderbolt3 Magnetic Adapter USB C To Type C 40Gbps 100W
https://a.aliexpress.com/_mOA48VK

[vagrant pagoda]

i just use wireless charging

[astral haven]

Find one that supports display out

[frozen ingot]

I dunno, never had the need

[vagrant pagoda]

who even uses video out of lightning?

[astral haven]

The paint is there's no way to tell if the board is fully functional on lightning because lightning is so jank

[frozen ingot]

this guy apparently

[astral haven]

How do you find out if an adapter supports USB 3 over lightning

[vagrant pagoda]

file transfer

[astral haven]

It's basically impossible to test because very limited number of devices actually support it

[astral haven]

Name which I device supports USB 3

[vagrant pagoda]

ipad pro dose

[frozen ingot]

well I do get the frustration, but its not really something most people would need or care about

[astral haven]

I don't know the number of people who are complaining that they removed magsafe

But I know that many of those people would be very happy to have a magnetic Port like the one that I use on USBC on their iPhones and macbooks

[frozen ingot]

I've had rare niche needs for other things though where there's been similar frustrations finding what I need

[vagrant pagoda]

the fucked thing is

the ipad pro is a 3.0 host

[astral haven]

The cool thing though is that this solution is universal or at least it will be once the iPhone is USBC and it's fully featured

[vagrant pagoda]

but a 2.0 device

[astral haven]

It is actually possible to get cables that do it but it's a hell of a problem

[vagrant pagoda]

no

as in plug in a 3.0 flash drive and you get 3.0 speeds

plug the ipad into a mac and you get 2.0

[astral haven]

Yeah that's why I said you need specialty cables for it

[vagrant pagoda]

its all in the ipad

cable is normal

[frozen ingot]

yeah am not really complaining too much about the change, I just find lightning more rugged from personal experience

[vagrant pagoda]

you can get a lightning to type c that dose both

[astral haven]

And I have given you the solution

And it's a solution that gets you even more versatile charging than wireless does

Cuz with the magnetic adapters you just have to put your device somewhere in the approximate proximity of the cable and it starts charging

And again I've used it with thunderbolt for an egpu

[frozen ingot]

still a solution I have to pay extra for though

[astral haven]

Actually no

Because the cables are so much cheaper

Instead of paying the Apple tax for the cable you just pay the magnetic tax

[frozen ingot]

I dunno you can find really cheap 3rd party lightning cables here

if you stick to just apple though sure

also a magnetic adapter will protrude out of the connector which isn't entirely optimal in some circumstances

[reef patrol]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xgufa99YfU

100 chargers, 100 charge cables. One insane iPhone modder at work yet again 😄

[chrome estuary]

i refuse to believe the charging circuit in the iphone can support that

[vagrant pagoda]

spolier it didnt

video is shitty clickbait

[chrome estuary]

Yeah I watched it.

[vagrant pagoda]

it is not infact an iphone that charges is 9 minutes

[reef patrol]

I mean it is.

No one said anything about keeping it intact 😛

[ashen spindle]

I mean on the assumption a 5800x3d cant be used if upgrade path should be an option, seems accurate

yeah could got to a cheaper 6000bin I guess

so you can save 40 bucks

[cursive summit]

I sense.. irony

[ashen spindle]

cheapest I can see on the list is 170

[cursive summit]

7600X is not garbage though, neither is RX 6950XT

[ashen spindle]

and idk how much CL40 vs CL32 matters so might be a decent choice, not sure on that

5600

[cursive summit]

I am really confused here is this an attempt at trolling or what

[ashen spindle]

sure you do that, I'll recommend stuff that works on expo so I wont be responsible if someone comes back to me when the pc I recommended wont work lmfao

depends on what bang for buck means, does it include having an ugprade path?

if not why got 136 over 5800x3d

are we doing bang for buck or best possible?

ram is cheaper, board option is cheaper

performance depends on what game, there are games where it has no competition

heh funny, here the 5800x3d is cheaper than a 136

its a saturday...

for gaming? not really

what else but for gaming would it be if the list you linked was

and yeah, lets go for rocket lake, where you have a cpu generation where performance decreased instead of improved

[stark bobcat]

I think best bang for buck would be best fps/€ which that system is not

Not even close

People have incredibly odd ideas of what bang for buck is

[ashen spindle]

idk what the context was where that was posted so I just gave it benefit of doubt

looks like a reddit style reply, so depends on if the question was best current gen with upgrade option, or if it was a really bad suggestion when the question including older gen idk

if it was not a reply to something and thats just a post where that was posted with no context yeah that makes no sense

[ashen spindle]

well if no game was specified and that was all, then it seems weird, not even the cpu just why would you get 2 360hz screens lmfao

[stark bobcat]

I also love how we are getting 2 360hz monitors and cheaping out on the mouse

like wtf

[ashen spindle]

playing two csgo games at the same time lmfao

[crisp granite]

meanwhile, my keyboard cost more than all my monitors

my keyboard cost more than my CPU

my case and mouse cost the same amount

[ashen spindle]

well, if it was csgo the pc was made for, zen4 does appear to be better than raptor, but since it's just generic game that screen makes no sense even if we just take one

[crisp granite]

clearly, I have my priorities

[stark bobcat]

if it was made for csgo then that is an L on the mouse lol

[ashen spindle]

not if the request was best csgo build for my dads office mouse

[stark bobcat]

corsair is the last company I'd buy a mouse from

https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/10/vrr-external-screens-and-allow-tearing-options-coming-to-steam-deck/

Finally valve

No more horrendous input lag

❤️

[ashen spindle]

steam deck does not support VRR??? ew

good that the option is there now, forced vsync is not great

[crimson wigeon]

BUT OMG Why would you want tearing!! It's so bad!!! You won't notice any latency because of clever trickery!!!!11

[stark bobcat]

Sadly I do notice I wish it wasn't so

[crimson wigeon]

Yeah me too, that's just an exaggeration version of what Wayland developers said when people wanted this.. but I guess when Valve came in their minds finally changed

[idle wigeon]

can anyone tell me is this great spec just from looks

[idle wigeon]

The gpu im getting is a zotac OC 4090

[stark bobcat]

Cool

[idle wigeon]

Is all that good stuff

I was looking into everything and some benchmarks

I already know people with Nvidia cards having issues cause of the pins

[final flame]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0SJYkUMd1c0

[idle wigeon]

[empty wren]

Nah chief

[oak valve]

i'm looking for a new mouse. I play dota 2 and every omron mouse I've ever had has broken on me. I bought one of those fancy optical switch mice, and the middle mouse button (which I use to pan) broke, and it uses a regular switch (likely omron). Does anyone know of any durable mouse that ideally has optical switches in all the buttons so I can stop having to throw out my mice after a 1.5 years of use?

if not optical, then something like kailh switches instead of garbo omrons

[wheat plume]

Roccat Kone XTD
8 years and still flawless for me

[oak valve]

i bought a roccat burst pro last year in july

the middle mouse is now broken 😦

the left and right work perfectly, but the middle mouse which i use the least broke

because the left and right use optical switches but the mmb doesnt

[ashen spindle]

same well not broken but started to have issues of it double clicking or not clicking sometimes

[oak valve]

mice manufacturers continue to put out garbage mice :I

i'd kill for a wooting mouse

from what i understand failures are a very common issue in omrons

[ashen spindle]

it's insane how like everyone just makes garbage scrollwheels

[oak valve]

i dont have the soldering experience to install custom switches myself though

[oak valve]

++

some day i will find a mouse that holds up to a year of sweaty moba player use

logitech g302 broken, second logitech g302 broken, steelseries rival 106 broken, roccat burst pro, now also broken

my brother has also had logitech g302, another g302 and then a g402 fail on him in the same way

double clicking/dropping clicks

[wheat plume]

My mouse did double click for a week or so about a year ago
Then it stopped and it's been perfect since

[oak valve]

there's a good chance it'll come back. my roccat started having middle mouse issues 6 months ago and now they've re-emerged

[ashen spindle]

the g pro supposedly has a decent scrollwheel and I was looking at that if I need a new one and cant fix my current issues

[idle wigeon]

Been using logictech mouse

very good mouse to me

[ashen spindle]

that's a bit too generic

[oak valve]

logitech also has issues with omrons

i've heard of people modding their g pro mice with kailh gms too partly for reliabillity

all of the "small" mouse brands like atompalm, zaunkeonig also use omrons though they do claim they use higher quality ones

also good luck getting one of those anyways

[ashen spindle]

@fickle ore did you get your atompalm yet? cant remember

[oak valve]

they're probably on 16 year backorder 😄

[idle wigeon]

https://youtu.be/0ovIlWhTsZQ

seen this video and tons of pros using logictech mouses

But idk its really just pef choice of mouse

I mean

if pros use it in a competitive sence since csgo was a thing

shit idk

would you risk winning 100k on a lan tournament

or 20k from a sponsorship

Who knows how much these guys getting paid per sponsor

we just know it was used by PROS

and not casuals using mouses

[fickle ore]

I didn't. I was a big proponent for it, but the first batch had mouse click qc issues

[idle wigeon]

Ofc pros are going to have class

being they practiced to get on that level ofc

So it's not a great term of saying somethings good because a pro use it

But also they also used tons of mice

so who we to talk

[fickle ore]

Now I'm looking at a diff mouse, Gilmore's. It's releasing in a few weeks.

[ashen spindle]

pros also dont care if the mouse dies after 1.5 years they just get a new one for free

[idle wigeon]

yeah

[fickle ore]

They use jap omrons specifically due to gold plating for longer electrical life time

And they're sr-latch

So a lot higher resistance to bouncing even if contacts are getting worn/oxidized

They're fine but lose to sr latch jap omrons in feel as well as min time between clicks on f/w level is set higher. Well all big manufacturers set high MTBC to cut down RMA but zk/atom/etc don't need to do that

Haha yeah, cps-wise it's prob enough but the rare cases where you click & release and game activates input on release, or vice versa

But those are corner cases

[ashen spindle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIKjZ1djp8c

so basically igors findings are something unrelated since the cable he had was made in a different way

so, back to it being a combination of this, or the adapter layout thing, or something else in the connector/adapter that causes it

[thick elk]

Buildzoid's theory seems the most plausible to me. But still it's a symptom of a standard that may just be a little too tight

[wheat plume]

https://youtu.be/jO83ARJiOfQ

Apple: We cannot switch to USB C because it stifles innovation and causes massive amounts of E-waste

🤦‍♀️ iPhones are the inly product that uses it .-.

Literally even ALL YOUR OTHER PRODUCTS use USB C

[thick elk]

At this point, they sound like a child protesting because their parents told him to do something en wanted to do anyway...

[reef patrol]

Duh. It's only innovative when Apple does it. Even if it's a decade late and they stole ot.

[cursive summit]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/antonyleather/2022/10/30/amd-monster-radeon-rx-7900xtx-graphics-card-rumored-to-take-on-nvidia-rtx-4090/?sh=36c25f512671

[cursive summit]

Isn't Dave2D one of the "apple shills"

Alongside Marques Brown Lee

[ashen spindle]

I uh, hopefully do not have to tell you that some random youtuber, who does not even understand the EU ruling correctly, can speculate all he wants but that doesnt mean apple said that or will do that

[chrome estuary]

i remember watching a video on this guy talking about how it's "Expensive to be a tall apple user" and was complaining about how the apple vesa mount or apple adjustable mount for their like 5000$ monitor was 400$.

I wanted to slam my head into my desk hard enough to cause an aneurysm because i was sure i was losing brain cells.

[stark bobcat]

I find generally every apple person is either very stupid or very smart no in between

[chrome estuary]

https://youtu.be/71ipnvqGsOw

like i really really hope this was just an april fools joke

and not a real thing

[empty wren]

Could apple just not include it I have a hard time believing the mount is worth $400 anyways

[stark bobcat]

It's not

They know their audience

[ashen spindle]

yes they sell it at high margin thats the point of it lol

basically have idiots subsidize cost except they dont make the main product cheaper lmfao

[empty wren]

Oh that guy hates apple or somethin

[ashen spindle]

macaddress is the LTT account that covers all apple things so I kinda doubt that

[empty wren]

No I mean that fella specifically does not like apple

There was some video he mentioned that in

I will find it later

[ashen spindle]

yes that fella specifically covers like all apple things lol

maybe he does hate apple but that would just be weird

[stark bobcat]

He is the main presenter for that channel and was hired because he was an apple enthusiast afaik

[empty wren]

Alright

[crisp granite]

honestly

I'm expecting a push to wireless charging from them

sidestepping that law entirely

[ashen spindle]

they cant

[crisp granite]

I can agree with apple's complaining about the law, but on a different end

laws are slow to change, especially for an industry that constantly changes

[wheat plume]

They can?

[crisp granite]

unless the EU is committed to updating standards as they come out, when USB-C becomes obsolete

I can understand the grumbling

[ashen spindle]

based on the current eu regulation in how its written they can not sidestep it

wireless only is not an option

[wheat plume]

hhm...

and Apple did say they will comply with this law

but they could make USB C charging mega slow and basically force people to use a faster wireless charger using magsafe

[crisp granite]

because the EU market is actually huge for them

[ashen spindle]

not really

[crisp granite]

they can't just piss it away like that

[reef patrol]

I mean that just means they will INNOVATE wireless charging to waste less power. Win win as I see it.

[wheat plume]

true

[crisp granite]

same with federal banks here and quebec

:|

[ashen spindle]

they cant just throttle usb spec to make it worse than base spec

[wheat plume]

it already makes phones overheat like hell :/

[wheat plume]

they could make it charge at max 5W though

and then sell a much faster Magsafe wireless charger

[flint carbon]

I think it's possible that they go full wireless, the law says devices that are rechargeable VIA A WIRED cable will have to be equipped with usb c

[wheat plume]

HAH

yes

[crisp granite]

tbh, they could
it would be thoroughly unpopular
but well within the word of the law, not the spirit

[wheat plume]

FOUND THE LOOPHOLE

[reef patrol]

It would be super Apple to go wireless only - Cause it makes it even easier for them to do water protection and sell dongles that also have to support Apple specifically.

[wheat plume]

wait no ,thats not a loophole

[crisp granite]

it would be rather hard to sell dongles for a "wireless only product"

[crisp granite]

yeah, it's not
it's just avoiding jurisdiction of the law entirely

[wheat plume]

mini bt receiver dongle for wired earphones

[reef patrol]

Not at all. Apple would sells an iDock to put the phone on, with USB/TB cables going out as needed for dongles 😄

[crisp granite]

so the backplate would do data transfer as well?

[wheat plume]

careful or iDock you in a moment

LOL

jk

bad pun

[crisp granite]

fascinating

[ashen spindle]

Therefore, manufacturers remain free to include any wireless charging solution in their products alongside the wired charging via the USB-C port.

alongside

[crisp granite]

I wonder if scratches from a drop or riding in a pocket would affect that

[flint carbon]

but if they can't wired charge, why would they include a cable at all

if the device physically can't do wired charging

[reef patrol]

Still need a charger.

[crisp granite]

does it explicitly state any mobile device must ship with USB-C?

[wheat plume]

Yeah, im calling it RIGHT NOW

Apple will add USB C to the phones
BUT it will be realllyyyy slow, like 5W or something
And then sell MagSafe that charges at like 20W or whatever so that everyone will buy that instead

[flint carbon]

yeah, a wireless puck

[crisp granite]

if not, then yeah, wireless only is on the table

[wheat plume]

yeah...

[crisp granite]

because, again
spirit and letter of law are distinct

and I can completely understand following the latter and not the former

[ashen spindle]

idk case law so would need a lawyer to look at it, but to me "In so far as they are capable of being recharged via wired charging" reads that if its possible to make it charge via wire, it has to use usbc and not wireless only, a tiny earbud that physically cant find a usbc port would not need to

likely that there is case law that has similar wording so probably other cases where we can look at once some lawyer reads it fully

[pale sigil]

KInda crazy, 5th place was when shorts become big on youtube

This shorts video stuff is scary

[reef patrol]

Lanaposting is spreading I see.

[pale sigil]

you see data, i see data, i say the video with 73m youtube videos is around shorts getting popular.

[ashen spindle]

is it the same video on different platforms? is it one account/persons stats?

[pale sigil]

same account, just one is on youtube shorts and one isn't as it was before shorts was out.

Main point was im kinda surprised how well they tapped into the tik tok market

so well

[ashen spindle]

is it channels with like a lot of videos? images dont look familiar so idk if its popular channels or some few viral videos where it could be that it just stays on the first platform it spread from

but yeah shorts are surprisingly doing a lot of numbers, I cant stand them lol

[fair gull]

audio nerds

i need you

acceptable and affordable over ear headphones

wired if possible

[gusty kiln]

closed or open?

[fair gull]

would you call razer krakens open

[gusty kiln]

leme see

those look open

[fair gull]

they have holes but those have a foam pad infront

[gusty kiln]

you need a mic?

[fair gull]

no

travel headphones basically

[gusty kiln]

ooo so you need closed

[fair gull]

my krakens started to fall apart and they are onear which i dont like

ya if theres like semi open

id take those

i do like open headphones at home

but for travelling i dont see a point in fully open

[gusty kiln]

AKG K371 are pretty popular

what music do you listen to?

[fair gull]

ngl that heavily depends

some heavymetal

pop

eurobeat

also they can be a bit more bass-y i dont mind

[gusty kiln]

probably the ones I mentioned earlier

it's a pretty safe sound signature

https://www.amazon.com/AKG-Pro-Audio-Headphones-K371/dp/B07WZH7WM9/ref=sr_1_2?crid=2DMCVS69VPZI2&keywords=akg+k371&qid=1667162164&qu=eyJxc2MiOiIyLjIxIiwicXNhIjoiMS43MyIsInFzcCI6IjEuMjIifQ%3D%3D&sprefix=akg+%2Caps%2C77&sr=8-2&ufe=app_do%3Aamzn1.fos.f5122f16-c3e8-4386-bf32-63e904010ad0

[fair gull]

ya no i wouldnt buy those for traveling

[gusty kiln]

I mean all over ears would be about that size

[fair gull]

price

[gusty kiln]

then what is your budget?

[fair gull]

wasnt willing to spent over 100bucks for headphones ill use 3 or 4 times a year

[gusty kiln]

under 100 is a pretty rough area for closed back over ears

[fair gull]

im aware which is why i came to audiophile heaven aka #🔌│tech

[gusty kiln]

https://www.amazon.com/Sony-MDR7506-Professional-Diaphragm-Headphone/dp/B000AJIF4E/ref=sr_1_25?crid=2W4QIWGT0DMOL&keywords=closed%2Bback%2Bheadphones&qid=1667162383&qu=eyJxc2MiOiI2LjU5IiwicXNhIjoiNS45NiIsInFzcCI6IjUuMTcifQ%3D%3D&sprefix=closed%2Bback%2Bheadphones%2Caps%2C63&sr=8-25&ufe=app_do%3Aamzn1.fos.006c50ae-5d4c-4777-9bc0-4513d670b6bc&th=1

maybe???

treble/upper mids might be a bit much for some

these are old school mixing headphones

some people still swear by them

[fair gull]

what the crap is around ear

[gusty kiln]

Just another way to say over ears

Actually, hyper x cloud 2 would be better and cheaper

Under 60

Perfect

[fair gull]

doesnt that have a mic?

[gusty kiln]

It's removable

[fair gull]

ah

might look into those

have heard a lot of good about them for cheapo headset

[gusty kiln]

Should be able to find them even at a best buy

[fair gull]

im not from murica

sorry

[gusty kiln]

Oh rip

[fair gull]

i know a few places that have em tho

[gusty kiln]

But yeah they are based on a regular headphone that hyperx just rebranded

[fair gull]

guess imma have to live with fake leather ear pads

[gusty kiln]

Some versions come with a set of velour

[pale sigil]

@neat oriole

[neat oriole]

huh

[chrome estuary]

dad needs a new pair of headphones so i just found some cheap ones on amazon.

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/61Asgk-GofL._AC_SL1000_.jpg

this is one of the pictures

[stark bobcat]

Oh boy

[crimson wigeon]

For pro gamers

[thick elk]

The moment you list adjustable headband as a selling point, I start wondering what you are not telling me.

[idle wigeon]

Pro gaymers

I got the true gaymer earbuds

[ashen spindle]

ah yes, chosing fire extinguisher and home insurance rather than going with an amd card, people on the internet are normal

[chrome estuary]

amd

[crimson wigeon]

Gotta have DLSS and RTX and all the other proprietary Nvidia goodness!!!!

[gusty kiln]

Honestly never used DLSS or RTX since getting my 2080

[crisp granite]

I've found myself mainly using both at the same time, or neither

and DLSS only with 2.-

with DLSS 1...it was a yikes

haven't tried any games with 3 yet

[chrome estuary]

i've used dlss a few times, rtx a few times

[gusty kiln]

you got a 4090?

[crisp granite]

no, why the fuck would I shell out that much money

I have an RTX 3070

[gusty kiln]

dlss 3 is 40 series exclusive

[crisp granite]

wish I'd sprung for a 3080 when I did get it 2 years ago...

[gusty kiln]

well 40 and future cards

[crisp granite]

just for the two extra gigs of vram

[crisp granite]

that is incredibly lame

[gusty kiln]

ye

[stark bobcat]

dlss3 is ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

[chrome estuary]

wow that is incredibly lame, wtf.

[stark bobcat]

more frames with more latency

[ashen spindle]

well, if they are honest then they cant do it on older cards if they do need the 40 series OFA hardware bits

[crisp granite]

I mean, even the GTX 1000 series supported DLSS because it has first gen tensor cores
you can't tell me NVidia has created some magical new tensor core and process that is just incompatible with previous gens

[thick elk]

I am pretty sure Nvidia will stop investing in DLSS in the near future / may even have done so already. Or at least the moment it stops being a selling point

Moving on to the next exclusive feature

[ashen spindle]

they might be able to add it to 30 series but I dont think 10/20 series can use it, and if the 30 can do it without making the result just worse we dont really know

[thick elk]

With DLSS I mean DLSS 2

[ashen spindle]

ok then I agree yea

[thick elk]

As for DLSS 3, it will probably remain mostly a niche feature due to its limitations

[frozen ingot]

deep rock galactic has added DLAA with one of their recent updates

it looks really good imo and the framerate impact is negligible

[unborn epoch]

I just want AMD RDNA3 to be competitive, also with ray tracing this time. FSR 2.0 is good enough imo and dlss3 adds latency which i dont want

[ashen spindle]

your wishes will be granted

[wheat plume]

Is AMD's equivalent of NVENC just as good as NVENC?