🔌│tech

[fierce aspen]

Idk

Overclocking

In the fiture

Future

[ashen spindle]

you can do that on other boards

[cursive summit]

On Intel?

[fierce aspen]

What's the diff between z690 and b660

I can't tell

[cursive summit]

Did Intel finally stop locking OC to their Z boards with Raptor and Alder?

It's locked to the board

With Intel it is

[fierce aspen]

So what's the diff between z690 and b660

[cursive summit]

Well it's double that, K means overclockable

[fierce aspen]

Anyone tell?

[cursive summit]

But if you don't have a Z board with a K processor you can't OC either

[ashen spindle]

for the most part pcie lanes and how many m.2 slots it has etc.

[fierce aspen]

Ah

Bit I heard that b660 cannot oc

[ashen spindle]

also not accurate, intel restricts it but you can do bclk overclocking on lower series boards for example

[ashen spindle]

you can do bclk and memory overclocking, and also you will basically get no performance from normal overclocking anymore for cpus

oc for extra performance is dead

[fierce aspen]

I dunno radeon

Only heard of nvidia

[ashen spindle]

nvidia is the bigger vendor, AMD also makes gpus under the radeon brand

[fierce aspen]

Can radeon ray trace

[ashen spindle]

yes

[fierce aspen]

And which radeon can ray trace

I mean

Like the code

[ashen spindle]

?

[fierce aspen]

Since ray trace cards from nvidia is rtx something

[ashen spindle]

every card starting in the 6000 series for amd can

they dont change the name for it

[fierce aspen]

Then there shld be something to denote

[final flame]

raytracing is just the term for realtime lighting simulation

[fierce aspen]

So

[ashen spindle]

the RTX term is just nvidia marketing

[final flame]

rtx is just Nvidia branding

[fierce aspen]

6700 is like the 3070 equivalent

[crisp granite]

GTX 1000 cards as well...they have some of the hardware present in the RTX line...
RT is emulated iirc but DLSS is native because they have tensor cores

[ashen spindle]

sort of yes

[fierce aspen]

So does xt mean it's ray traceability

[ashen spindle]

no

[fierce aspen]

What does xt mean in nvidea terms

[ashen spindle]

nothing

they all mean nothing

its all just marketing terms

[fierce aspen]

Ti means titanium right

[ashen spindle]

no

[fierce aspen]

I'm vv confused

[cursive summit]

Oh boy this is devolving into nothingness

[crisp granite]

MARKETING TERMS

[ashen spindle]

its just to note the card is a bit better than the same card without the Ti

so a 3070 ti is better than a 3070 but still worse than a 3080

[stark bobcat]

neither ti nor xt mean shit they are just letters to signify what tier of performance it is

same as the rest of the naming

[ashen spindle]

3070 ti could also be named 3075

[stark bobcat]

by itself 4090 doesn't mean anything

[ashen spindle]

they just decided it sounds better to call it "Ti" instead of changing the numbers

[fierce aspen]

Does amd processors tend to work well with radeon

[stark bobcat]

they were right tho

[ashen spindle]

it's all the same more or less

[stark bobcat]

doesn't matter get what is best price/perf

[ashen spindle]

they dont get a benefit or a disadvantage

[fierce aspen]

Man

Building a pc is difficult

[cursive summit]

You're making it difficult

It's not

[stark bobcat]

no it's basically lego

[fierce aspen]

I mean

Companies do restrict you if u get something from a different brand

[ashen spindle]

no not really

[fierce aspen]

I mean

[ashen spindle]

software wise, nvidia does that a bit sure, but that's about all

[fierce aspen]

I thought that there would be an advantage on for people who use radeon with amd as compared to people who use intel with radeon

[cursive summit]

Technically AMD's newest SAM version might give you a bit higher FPS than other BAR versions

Why Raptor lake

Just why

[ashen spindle]

not really because they all use the same parts inbetween, so that isn't really possible for the most part

[fierce aspen]

https://tenor.com/view/george-pig-so-cool-gif-21993062

Sgd

Talking bout pc

Reminds me that I have an amd waterbottle

[cursive summit]

👀

[fierce aspen]

Yea

[cursive summit]

We talking merch now

I always wondered how those free pens, booklets and stickers would ever be effective marketing

I now know

[stark bobcat]

amd bike

[cursive summit]

That's a good joke

How to kill off all reviewers

[fierce aspen]

Think I'll be better off with a 6700 xt

[cursive summit]

You still haven't mentioned what country do you even live in

What's your currency

[ashen spindle]

it would mostly depend on what the local prices are, so yes that is something you can decides what would fit best

[cursive summit]

Some things are more expensive locally and amazon.com will take customs

[fierce aspen]

Sgd

Welp

Now u know

[cursive summit]

Isn't Sg the country where you can get a lot of local stuff for cheap?

[fierce aspen]

Everything here is fucking expensive

[fierce aspen]

That's malaysia

[cursive summit]

I see a lot of singaporean listings on stuff like aliexpress though

[ashen spindle]

oof yeah stuff is expensive there

[fierce aspen]

So

[cursive summit]

Don't they also have to pay customs if ordering from amazon.com?

[fierce aspen]

Building a pc is a hassel

Here

• inflation

The world is just a fucked up place to live in

First we have putin who start a war for no reason at all

Then we gonna have korean war no.2

[cursive summit]

What korean war 2

There is no korean war 2

[fierce aspen]

And it's not syngman rhee vs Kim il sung

[fierce aspen]

News

North and South Korean firing missles to like scare each other or something

[cursive summit]

They always "trade warning shots near border"

That's been happening since 70s

War never stopped officially

[fierce aspen]

Oh

Guess

[cursive summit]

Skorea and Nkorea will continue to feud but live in moderate peace

[fierce aspen]

The cold War actually never ended

Anyway

[cursive summit]

You thought it did?

[fierce aspen]

Can't find a good deal for a px

Pc

Either parts are ass

Or too expensive

[gusty kiln]

What's your current pc

[cursive summit]

I found this though

https://shopee.sg/GIGABYTE-Technology-Magic-Eagle-(GIGABYTE)-Radeon-RX-6900-XT-GAMING-OC-16G-Game-Design-Smart-Learning-Computer-Independent-Graphics-Card-i.883781138.20857157441?sp_atk=32554c34-c209-44b2-b49f-4bba32a279c9&xptdk=32554c34-c209-44b2-b49f-4bba32a279c9

[fierce aspen]

None

[cursive summit]

870 USD according to conversion

That's not a bad deal

[fierce aspen]

But have decided to take up a holiday job and build one

[cursive summit]

Holiday?

Christmas?

[fierce aspen]

Around there

[cursive summit]

Then don't look into costs rn

[gusty kiln]

Gaming laptop is also a choice if individual part pricing are fucked

[cursive summit]

It'll be irrelevant

[fierce aspen]

I just work my ass off during the holiday

[cursive summit]

Radeon 7000 launches in December

[fierce aspen]

Considering

[cursive summit]

That might be affordable/slash other GPU's prices

No reason to think about pc components rn

[fierce aspen]

But not best in terms of price to performance

In this world

There is never such a thing called a good deal

[fierce aspen]

It's kinda relevant

I ain't gonna sell my kidney just for a pc

[astral haven]

The ewaste bin at your landfill can be a great deal

[fierce aspen]

Or empty out my bank account

[cursive summit]

Parts might get cheaper until then and we will have brand new graphics cards or even CPUs released by the time holidays are over

[fierce aspen]

Heh trye

True

[cursive summit]

Debate what you want to get when you get the money

Not months in advance

[fierce aspen]

True

[cursive summit]

It takes like a day of research to figure out what's a good buy

[fierce aspen]

Putun

Putin

And his nonsense

[gusty kiln]

A lot of currencies are weakening vs the dollar

[cursive summit]

Mr. Xi is closer to you than Mr. Putin

I'd worry a lot more about Xi Pimping

[fierce aspen]

That's why prices of gadgets are becoming ass now

Get a laptop

Thermal throttle

[ashen spindle]

worrying about what might happen is a different thing than prices changing from actions someone else is taking

[fierce aspen]

Get a pc

No good deal on parts

Fuck no

[cursive summit]

Anyone remember when typically black friday sales happen?

[gusty kiln]

Lenovo legion laptops are very well reviewed in recent years. Are you able to get those models?

[cursive summit]

Lenovo prebuilts are also good

[wheat plume]

I wanted to travel light this time
Brought 6 iPads with him
Dave2D - 2022

[astral haven]

Ipads aren't very heavy

[wheat plume]

yeh I know xd

[cursive summit]

Compared to you, no

[cursive summit]

Get fatty'd

[astral haven]

If you can find a person who is outside of a hospital and is lighter than an iPad I'll eat a wafer

[cursive summit]

A silicon wafer?

That's one expensive challenge

[ashen spindle]

bet he's going to eat a 60mm wafer, cheapskate

[astral haven]

I didn't specify that but I do have a half dozen of em

[astral haven]

Nah 150mm lel

[cursive summit]

I mean you've already lost it then, all the newborn babies that are born outside of a hospital

I am keenly awaiting for your wafer to be eaten

[astral haven]

I meant alive

[ashen spindle]

tbh I think babies should not count as people

[cursive summit]

They are alive

[ashen spindle]

anything below 12 years is screaming too much

[astral haven]

Babies that light are dead

Unless they are in an icu

[cursive summit]

Sometimes miracles can happen

[astral haven]

That's simply not enough mass for a human to sustain themselves unless ipads have gotten aloooot heavier very quickly

[stark bobcat]

how much does an ipad weigh?

[astral haven]

1 pound

Afaik

[stark bobcat]

that's not a unit of measurement

[astral haven]

16 ounces

[stark bobcat]

neither is that

[astral haven]

500g

[cursive summit]

Brand new iPad Pro 12.9" is 682 g (Wi-Fi), 685 g (5G) (1.50 lb)

Kinda heavy

[astral haven]

Rofl

[cursive summit]

Oh shit my S8 Ultra is heavier, 726 g

[stark bobcat]

At birth, Rumaisa weighed just 8.6 ounces

[cursive summit]

And I can feel that weight at night

[ashen spindle]

the 5g is making the ipad heavy, the mind control units are heavy

[tight moss]

a

[cursive summit]

There's a whole article on surviving children born prematurely https://www.verywellfamily.com/worlds-smallest-preemies-2748663

[stark bobcat]

so when we eating that wafer?

[cursive summit]

Some of them weigh 244 grams

Multiple times less than an ipad

Now I want to know how silicon wafers taste, Carmonben

[ashen spindle]

I stand by my point anything below age 12 does not qualify as person

[astral haven]

When one survives outside of a hospital

[cursive summit]

@wheat plume does not qualify as a person

[ashen spindle]

?????

[cursive summit]

[ashen spindle]

what is wrong with you

[cursive summit]

I hope nothing

[wheat plume]

there is many things wrong with me

[astral haven]

You are probably wrong about that lmao

[cursive summit]

Lanaposting is the worst of them all

[astral haven]

Speak for yourself

[cursive summit]

We haven't invented a term yet for spontaneous random shitposting that I did

[wheat plume]

Vexxing

[cursive summit]

Oi

Fuck off

[wheat plume]

:P

[cursive summit]

You already lanaposted multiple times today

[wheat plume]

:')

[cursive summit]

https://www.gsmarena.com/sony_wh1000xm5_review-news-56259.php

[astral haven]

What a complete disaster these are

[cursive summit]

Weird to see GSMarena dislike them

I heard they sound fairly natural before

[astral haven]

https://mobile.twitter.com/crinacle/status/1584044865037299714

crin (@crinacle)

Everyone convinced that I got a faulty unit (or even attempting to cancel me) when the XM5 OBJECTIVELY doesn't measure that great on ANC attenuation.

On that note, I should start doing my own ANC measurements.

Sources: 0DiBi, Rtings

Likes

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Twitter · Oct 23, 2022, 4:51 AM

[cursive summit]

I look at only sound quality

Like this looks fairly okay

Weird that it sucks

[astral haven]

Because you don't know how to read a freq response graph

[cursive summit]

That bass shelf and treble boost is scary

Also mids are lacking

But this looks similar to NDH-20s and they sound fine if starved off of energy

Similar to what XM5s would sound like

[astral haven]

AliExpress ordering fun
Magnetic USB c is goated, I really hope tho these are compatible with my current adapters

[shadow minnow]

Where AirPods?

[cursive summit]

Up yer bum

[shadow minnow]

Wait that’s headphones not just earphones?

[cursive summit]

Yes they are over ears

[shadow minnow]

Literally worse anc than AirPods Pro gen 2 by a noticeable margin

[cursive summit]

Who tf cares for anc

[shadow minnow]

I

[cursive summit]

Sound quality

Is what matters

[shadow minnow]

Then I would get speakers

[cursive summit]

You buy these to listen to stuff

[astral haven]

I will support apple when they stop greenwashing and start supporting 3rd parties

[shadow minnow]

Earphones and especially earbuds I buy to use in not so convenient situations like walking outside, travelling and similar so anc matters

[astral haven]

On my commute, anything that doesn't have sufficient noise cancellation will inherently have worse sound quality

[astral haven]

There is nothing headphones here
Just a dac

[dense escarp]

i thought sony XM's biggest selling point was always the ANC

[astral haven]

More just the Bluetooth in general tbh

[dense escarp]

also that

[shadow minnow]

No more

[astral haven]

The xm4s also happened to be be the best anc at the time

I'm really curious how well this can drive 400se

Datasheet tho only said 1v into 32

Which means there's no point vs cx31993

But hey at least I'll have tried it

It's probably gonna go in the frunk of my index tbh

[shadow minnow]

Why not 64 bit it’s no longer 1990
Glad apple at least stopped supporting 32 bit

[astral haven]

Apple doesn't support 64 bit audio lel

Heck generally 441 16 bit is enough

Especially since this has a separate volume stage

Yea it's only 12.2mhz at max what a scam

[shadow minnow]

Ikr, moved on to 128 long ago

[astral haven]

Yea apple doesn't support anything over 32

[shadow minnow]

I am joking

Just a joke regarding lack of 32 bit app support

[astral haven]

And lightning support for 24 is janky at best

I just ordered a telephoto zoom lens hype

Guess the aperture

[shadow minnow]

2.4

0.6

5000

My guesses

[astral haven]

Close

[shadow minnow]

2.2

Or 2.6

[astral haven]

No
It's 2.4 full frame equivalent

[shadow minnow]

Then I count it as 2.4

So first guess

[astral haven]

Nah

Because it's actually full frame 1.8 from 70-100mm

At least in 16:9
Doesn't quite cover 3:2

[shadow minnow]

It’s f2.4 I am afraid

[astral haven]

It's actually not lel

[shadow minnow]

Well I disagree

[astral haven]

You still are wrong

[shadow minnow]

No I just changed the definition

[astral haven]

F number is mathematically calculated, there's no feelings involved

[shadow minnow]

Wdym F always has feelings involved

You pay respect with feelings

[astral haven]

F does
But the f number doesnt

Anyways it's F1.8

[shadow minnow]

For which camera?

[astral haven]

A74, 5diii, and em1 iii

And a5000 but I don't use it any more

100-200 1.8 on Olympus is hype

Basically decided that this will be more fun than a new GPU since I'm kinda done with bonelab

[cursive summit]

https://www.macrumors.com/2022/10/24/eu-gives-final-approval-to-usb-c-law/

Gooood

https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2022/10/24/common-charger-eu-ministers-give-final-approval-to-one-size-fits-all-charging-port/

[ashen spindle]

if only it was a thing on current gen already

getting more undeletable cache files making my 16gb almost full of data I literally cant remove lmfao

[cursive summit]

Wait so with this new law, will it be impossible to import new devices without usb-c?

What prevents apple from continuing to stock their iPhone 14

Or is that law only for new devices that haven't been approved yet

[ashen spindle]

the fact that it becomes mandatory by end of 2024?

not before

[shadow minnow]

Too Small devices at least don’t have to use usb c (like smart watches)

[gusty kiln]

Just join the android side already

[ashen spindle]

too big of a hassle

[gusty kiln]

[cursive summit]

Weirdos

[shadow minnow]

Just Google planning to try to be more like apple anyways?

[ashen spindle]

what android phone from 2015 is still supported?

[gusty kiln]

Well he's mainly concerned about the usbc port

[ashen spindle]

only reason I'm going to upgrade from my 6s is that I literally dont have enough storage for anything lmfao

since I still get updates

[gusty kiln]

Android is way too fragmented to ever be like Apple

[shadow minnow]

Unless it becomes less fragmented which Google suggested with wanting to focus more on their own devices
Except that would also take away some of its main advantages

[wheat plume]

Stay on the Google ecosystem then

With pixel line xf

[ashen spindle]

how long does google support the pixel line for?

[gusty kiln]

3 years or so

[shadow minnow]

Not much

[gusty kiln]

Pretty bad tbh

[wheat plume]

3 years of android updates
5 for security patches

[ashen spindle]

so not enough for how long I'd want to use it

[cursive summit]

Samsung does 4 years of android

[gusty kiln]

Planned obsolescence babyyy

[shadow minnow]

Is it for all devices or just high end?

[gusty kiln]

High end

[wheat plume]

Yeh
But that's also OneUI which, imo, looks like a kids toy UI with those cartoony icons and really small and old style status icons

[pale sigil]

You're describing ios

[gusty kiln]

I think Google might increase the support now that they are doing their own soc

[shadow minnow]

I feel like more software updates are more important with low end tbh
Like if you can afford a flagship you’ll probably be able to upgrade earlier, than if you can’t.

[shadow minnow]

It’s that but even worse

[wheat plume]

I can't look at these icons and take them seriously

[shadow minnow]

True

[gusty kiln]

Who replaced cyanogenmod?

[shadow minnow]

I mean some of them are fine

[cursive summit]

I like these icons

[shadow minnow]

I like some of them

[wheat plume]

I like the file manager one

[cursive summit]

But I have no clue what this does

[shadow minnow]

The calculator one really not

[gusty kiln]

Photos

[shadow minnow]

Yeah this one is horrible too

[wheat plume]

And messages and settings

[cursive summit]

Photos are in files though

[shadow minnow]

Even calendar isn’t too bad

Weather is weird

[gusty kiln]

It's photos and gallery

[shadow minnow]

Makes me think it may be photos

[cursive summit]

There's a gallery on android?

[wheat plume]

Wait .....
You view all your photos in the files app only????

[cursive summit]

This whole time I've been using files app

[wheat plume]

Wtf

[gusty kiln]

[cursive summit]

I like the files app though

So I don't plan to use gallery either way

[shadow minnow]

I am sure that’s the reason

[cursive summit]

I just forgot it existed

[pale sigil]

Different roms have their own gallery

But stock uses Google photos

[wheat plume]

Php

[cursive summit]

I know that one

[shadow minnow]

Host family’s android phone would have mic almost never working during calls even though it worked in other apps
Installed Google phone app instead of the Samsung one that was there by default
It works
I have no clue how does such a basic thing break too

[wheat plume]

Never heard that issue

[pale sigil]

My sister's iphone mic doesn't work for calls

But does on other apps

It's fucked yo

[astral haven]

We have that issue every month or so and we just get the iPhone replaced lel

[ashen spindle]

and my front camera doesn't work after I replaced the battery

[pale sigil]

Ah the apple way

[astral haven]

Yay business users

[wheat plume]

Don't worry
Samsung also do that too!!!

So you can't avoid it no matter your phone brand of choice

[ashen spindle]

well I only noticed it like 2 months later because I only switched to the front camera by accident

never use it so it doesnt bother me

[gusty kiln]

Fairphone

Just replace it yourself

[ashen spindle]

give me an iphone with no front camera and usbc and I would by it instantly

[wheat plume]

How TF do I install Linux Mint's webapp manager onto Fedora?

[pale sigil]

Samsung actually have good warranty

[shadow minnow]

I don’t think that should happen tbh

[ashen spindle]

yeah ofc not

[wheat plume]

Not really
You try to replace some hardware and they feature lock parts of the phone of it'd not original

[astral haven]

I need apk support

[ashen spindle]

but if I got back to the store after 2 months and tell them its their fault they wont fix it for free lmfao

[shadow minnow]

Yes but not front camera, usually they just disable stuff like face id or TouchID

[gusty kiln]

Do people still jail break their iphones?

[astral haven]

Not being able to sideload hurts real bad

[astral haven]

It's real hard and much more limited now

[gusty kiln]

Rip

[pale sigil]

It's the only way to make iphones bearable

[gusty kiln]

That was fun when i had an iphone 5s

[ashen spindle]

think I did it for a month on my iphone 4 but then updates ios bc I didnt really need it

[astral haven]

I had it on my iPod touch and it was very convenient

[gusty kiln]

Think the cydia guy got sued

[pale sigil]

🦓

[astral haven]

Cydia was suing apple lel

And they are working their way up the court system

[gusty kiln]

Damn

[astral haven]

They may legitimately have a case tho

[ashen spindle]

https://www.overclock.net/threads/massive-rtx-4090-problems-driver-or-hardware.1801381/

seems like there are some early adopter driver issues

https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/forums/geforce-graphics-cards/5/502996/rtx-4090-driver-crashing-constantly-without-any-lo/

nice embed

[astral haven]

Seems pcie power management is bugged

Shame
I don't think there's been a GPU launch without issues in several years now 😦

1080ti is probably the last smoothish launch and EVGA had that bad batch of caps...

[shadow minnow]

What was there with 20 series?

[ashen spindle]

space invaders

[astral haven]

^

[shadow minnow]

Genuine question, I was only starting to be interested in hardware back then so don’t remember

I definitely remember 30 series capacitor thing
And well stock

[ashen spindle]

yes, space invaders happend

memory issues

that looked like space invaders was being played on your screen

[shadow minnow]

Oh I think I recall something like that now

[ashen spindle]

huh

https://blogs.windows.com/windowsdeveloper/2022/10/24/available-today-windows-dev-kit-2023-aka-project-volterra/

[vagrant pagoda]

You see that 12pins are already bruning off 4090s

[ashen spindle]

yea

makes me happy amd is going 8pins

[vagrant pagoda]

Can't believe no one tried dual 12pin

[shadow minnow]

Or just make it 16 or something

12 pins is just not enough

[ashen spindle]

it is

the pin count is not the issue

[shadow minnow]

Like if you use water blocks it’s nice to save space

But

There is already so much empty space in air cooled cards

[astral haven]

This

[vagrant pagoda]

It's the strain because the went with a denser connector

[shadow minnow]

Not just, it makes it worse

[ashen spindle]

not really

[astral haven]

That is incorrect

[shadow minnow]

More pins per less space means more density and even more thermal density

[vagrant pagoda]

Too much wire hanging on to small of an area

[astral haven]

Again no

[vagrant pagoda]

Especially the 8pin adapters hanging on there

[ashen spindle]

wiregauge is the important thing, not the pin count

[astral haven]

The connector itself was not well enough designed

Usb c is siiiiiignificantly smaller and is significantly more power dense

[vagrant pagoda]

The connector is a standard molex pin system with added sideband

[shadow minnow]

That is true, but if you have more pins less power needs to go through one pin so you can have a bit smaller wire gauge without issues

[vagrant pagoda]

Power yes, but not current dense

[ashen spindle]

but the pin count is still not the issue

[astral haven]

But that isn't the problem here

[ashen spindle]

correlation != causation

[astral haven]

Yes current

[vagrant pagoda]

Type c is 5 amp

[astral haven]

6.5a is standard on pps

[shadow minnow]

That is true

[astral haven]

Anyways the point is that the connector itself isn't really mating well enough

[vagrant pagoda]

Source?

Max PD is 48v 5A 240w

[astral haven]

https://consumer.huawei.com/en/accessories/supercharge-wall-charger-max-66w/

[vagrant pagoda]

That isnt USB spec

[astral haven]

https://www.amazon.com/Charger-OnePlus-Charge-Power-Adapter/dp/B0964M4FSX

[astral haven]

Never said it was lel

[vagrant pagoda]

I mean I can send 50a down type c for a few seconds

Dosent mean it's rated for it

Molex rates the pins used in the 12pin

[thick elk]

I do wish oppo-oneplus would switch to actually using usb-pd

[astral haven]

This cable is rated for 6.5a

[halcyon moss]

what does it cost?

[astral haven]

Pps >>>>> pd

[ashen spindle]

700€

[vagrant pagoda]

Nvidia specs it at 9a a pin

Molex rates 9.5a per pin

[thick elk]

Not when most chargers don't support it, not when you need extra thick cables for the amperage.
It's just impractical

[halcyon moss]

oof.. but it seem like a powerful system

[astral haven]

And USBC is half the area of a single pin

[ashen spindle]

https://www.microsoft.com/de-de/d/windows-dev-kit-2023/94K0P67W7581

[astral haven]

It's not lel

[halcyon moss]

does not exist for me

oh, now it does

[ashen spindle]

its the mac studio but on crutches bc lol snapdragon cpu

[shadow minnow]

Wouldn’t it be more like mac mini?

[halcyon moss]

mac mini more liek it

[vagrant pagoda]

Lol no it isnt

[ashen spindle]

oh yeah maybe

probably got the names mixed up

[shadow minnow]

I mean both are kinda like it

Just Mac mini is smaller and cheaper and worse soc

[halcyon moss]

mac mini does not have 32 gb for that price :p

[astral haven]

You'd be shocked
USB c uses very very few pins for carrying that current

[astral haven]

Mac mini also has thunderbolt

[vagrant pagoda]

4 pins vbus and 4 pins ground

I know how type c works

[astral haven]

Out of 24 pins

[vagrant pagoda]

The connector is used for heatskinking though

[thick elk]

One reason could be that amd doesn't load balance phases / connectors as much and this standard is much more prone to overloading a single pin.
So it may very well be the way they design gpu's they cant.

This standard also shows why the power connectors are over specced. At least to allow for bending / uneven loads.

[shadow minnow]

Someone watched the AHOC video

[ashen spindle]

no the 12 pin is just dumb and nvidia tries to be apple and suddenly cares about board space to make it look fancy

[shadow minnow]

It makes sense for cards with water blocks but nothing more imo

[astral haven]

They should have just designed a better connector

[shadow minnow]

Like the air cooled cards have so much empty space

[astral haven]

Or just used fkn eps

[vagrant pagoda]

Should just be xt connectors

[shadow minnow]

Also true, isn’t it partially Intel as well though

[astral haven]

I have no clue why no one uses eps on consumer

Should have swapped 10 years ago tbh

[ashen spindle]

the memes had the best idea after all

[vagrant pagoda]

Pcie power should of never existed

Lol

I agree with that

[astral haven]

That would be complete trash for emi tho

[vagrant pagoda]

Already had a 4+4 connector

Why make a new connector with less power

[shadow minnow]

More connector more money for custom cable makers

[astral haven]

Doubt tbh

[ashen spindle]

when they made pci5 spec they most definitely did not care about custom cables

[thick elk]

The AHOC video also shows why Nvidia didn't tilt their connector vertically, something some people were puzzled about.
Turns out if they did, they would destroy the cable.

[astral haven]

Most assuredly the case

[shadow minnow]

AHOC is a great channel

[thick elk]

I have been watching him from time to time from when he had sub 5k subs and was still doing board breakdowns on GN, always weird to see how they can grow so fast.

[shadow minnow]

True

[astral haven]

I think that der8auers adapter is pretty sweet

[shadow minnow]

I remember messaging him on twitch asking something about where to go to uni to learn about pcb stuff xD
That was few years ago

[thick elk]

As for the power cable, single larger wattage power cable itself is not a bad idea, just this one isn't great.

[shadow minnow]

But the in-depth content about ram timings, electro migration is so informative

Also I think buldzoid is Czech

[thick elk]

He is, but lives in the UK, I don't know if he still does

[shadow minnow]

Also was on Alza OC team

Which is now dead

But alza is great

[stoic locust]

anyone here know why my graphics card's lights arent turning on it should have some light on the gigabyte logo ive had it for a few months now and i figured out that it should have lights ive checked the cables and checked multiple softwares nothing works

[reef patrol]

Most likely need to download the software for it and enable it.

[pale sigil]

I love how it's facing down as the original image was taken from an aboveish position XD

[shadow minnow]

I love that it has two HDMIs

[stoic locust]

Also another question im playing siege and its using 97% power on a 3070ti

[ashen spindle]

thats a statement not a question

but sounds normal

[stoic locust]

Does it?

[ashen spindle]

yes

[stoic locust]

When i played fortnite as far as i know it isnt usually that high

[ashen spindle]

usage doesnt really mean anything for the most part

though that likely indicated fortnite is just a bit more cpu limited

[stoic locust]

Yeah it is only using 20% cpu so that could be a thing

It made ton of noise too but thats most likely my bad fan control thingy

[junior ore]

@stoic locust usage Depends on your settings and the games engine

Whats your average temperature during the height of these games?

[stoic locust]

Capped it at 144 and its quiet now but for some reason siege cant be capped higher

Well im playing atm would say about 55-70

[junior ore]

Yeah some games will ignore caps, or ignore caps for certain reasons and then cause usage to jumo to 100%

[pale sigil]

Aka any unreal engine game

[junior ore]

Lol

[ashen spindle]

no?

capping fps in unreal works just fine, be it 3 or 4

[junior ore]

Take for instance a game like 7 Days to Die. Can be frame rate capped. But if you pause the game or unfocus the window : it no longer caps.

[stoic locust]

When i uncap the frames the temp goes to 70-80

But then it runs at 400 ish

Should just be able to cap it higher :/

[junior ore]

@ashen spindle its a matter if the devs for some reason make the, say, menus uncapped or such which can happen.

[stoic locust]

It is ubisoft so i would assume shit optimisation

[pale sigil]

Im guessing you are a Hz nut

You can calp it elsewhere

Nvidia control panel or rivatuner

[junior ore]

@stoic locust 80 is fine. 90 is survivable but you want it lower. 100 is danger.

Don't bother with frame rates higher than your monitor.

If its Ubisoft then its Denuvo which effects performance

[stoic locust]

I know it like it to be at 240 but it cant be capped higher than 144

[pale sigil]

Siege doesn't have denuvo.

Nor should it

[junior ore]

Same games only support certain stuff, yeah

[ashen spindle]

you can cap it in your control panel for nvidia, there you can set it to 240 or w/e you want

[junior ore]

Yeah they mostly put denuvo on their single player games, true

[stoic locust]

Even wkth vsync it didnt change the cap

[junior ore]

@ashen spindle which doesnt do anything if the game has set cap limits which some do

[ashen spindle]

what are you talking about, siege goes to over 600fps on newer stuff

[stoic locust]

Thats the main problem

[ashen spindle]

he cant set the cap higher, not that the game doesnt go higher

[junior ore]

ah

[ashen spindle]

you can also see if you can still set a custom fps limit in the .ini files of the game

[stoic locust]

There is another siege version which should be more optimised and it has dlss which for me hasnt done anything but i can cap it there pretty sure

[junior ore]

i dont play siege so I don't know what its max was

[ashen spindle]

shit monitor

[junior ore]

i'm super tmepted to get a 6900xt due ot price reductions. but I wanna see the new stuff.

@latent mural why this monitor?

are you designing graphics/video editing or something fancy liek that for... what is this, 8K?

[stoic locust]

It does shift a ton

[ashen spindle]

yeah thats normal

[junior ore]

it's 8K but its 60Hz.. it's crap.

if you want to game go for refresh rate

120 minimum

also wow, 4000 monitor? dayum

[ashen spindle]

I assume you have a 120hz monitor if you want to cap it to 240? otherwise I'd suggest 2x of what you have if it's 144 or so instead

[junior ore]

8k and not even 120

[stoic locust]

Mines 240

[astral haven]

Mines 240 too

[junior ore]

having a 120hz mnnitor makes anything higher pointless.

[ashen spindle]

no

[astral haven]

There's an 8k120hz panel
But the electronics only support 8k60 or 4k120 😦

[stoic locust]

If i have dlss on it runs on a lot less power but shifts a lot

[chrome estuary]

i barely notice the difference between 144hz and 60 tbh even side by side.

[ashen spindle]

interesting, then its weird that you can set fps cap to your screens refresh rate in game

[astral haven]

Having a 10khz monitor makes anything higher pointless according to the science

[stoic locust]

I can set the refresh rate to 240 but not the fps cap

[ashen spindle]

havent touched siege in year so idk whats up with that

[junior ore]

madness, it's super noticable.

[astral haven]

Ah yes lemme just buy a 120k TV just to swap out the electronics

[chrome estuary]

tbh half the time i think people are seeing a placebo effect and it's a mass hallucination event

[astral haven]

Use the 144 for a few days and then if you swap back it will hurt

[junior ore]

what even is a 10,000hz monitor

[chrome estuary]

like just a mandela effect.

no shit shirlock

[astral haven]

The limit of perception where over 50% can't see the motion artifacts any more

[chrome estuary]

"False memories can sometimes be shared by multiple people."

[junior ore]

it's not hullucination. it's a very noticable observation. this can be tested and passed witha double blind test.

[astral haven]

False memories don't have scientific consensus behind them lel

[junior ore]

and is irrelevent to what we were talking about since no one mentioned 10KHz monitor.

[junior ore]

literally not what this is.

[astral haven]

Someone mentioned the limit of where they thought monitor refresh going higher didn't make sense and I explained where the science shows

[chrome estuary]

do you know the definition of "barely"

[ashen spindle]

how can you say it can be tested but think above 120hz is pointless lol

[junior ore]

I didn't mean that high 👀 I was meaning if you had a 120hz monitor it was pointless to run at 240 fps.

[ashen spindle]

also not true

[gusty kiln]

More up to date info is already better

[astral haven]

Also wrong

[junior ore]

it is not "barely" it is full on big difference.

[chrome estuary]

now you're taking words out of context

[astral haven]

That's also dependent on many things

[stoic locust]

It randomly dropped to 30 fps for like 10 seconds id think dlss is good

[junior ore]

in case of what, random dips which may or maynot cause screentearing or such?

[astral haven]

That doesn't matter

[junior ore]

( also you are not going to be running any game at 8K at 60 frames per second with a 6900xt)

[astral haven]

User error

[chrome estuary]

so you'll stop freaking out

see, 1440p144

[junior ore]

Latency of?

[ashen spindle]

https://blurbusters.com/faq/benefits-of-frame-rate-above-refresh-rate/#:~:text=Running at frame rates much,-buffered modes%2C etc.)

[chrome estuary]

i also just don't give a shit. as long as it's above 60, i'm happy.

see that's complete bullshit to me

[astral haven]

It's your fault for not hitting the confirmation

The thing is
@chrome estuary @latent mural
Both of you are right

[junior ore]

the speed of your monitor in ms is not going to be that much different? it's nota CRT.

it's going to eb in the 3-8ms range

[astral haven]

How much it matters depends hard on the content

[junior ore]

except it's not

it's not the game its the monitor updating the info it gets from the video card

I certain;y don't run windows lol

[astral haven]

If you are playing OSU at 2000 fps, and you are moving your cursor 1000 pixels per second, it's gonna be very obvious if you drop frames
But if you are playing a shooter where you are only flicking or tracking at like 200 pixels per second it's less obvious

[junior ore]

I run three linux computers

yeah i didn't think of Osu or such games

which require extreme precision or such

and can run at 10 billion FPS

which

[astral haven]

Same could be said for quake tho

[junior ore]

if you went from 300FPS to 240FPS in a blink on a 60 Hz monitor you wont notice anything. nor notice the fluidity that it would bring you.

[astral haven]

It'll barely break 200 in the modern version

[stoic locust]

Would playing on 1080 on a 1440 screen be good

[gusty kiln]

no

[astral haven]

Depends on the anti tearing mechanism

[junior ore]

what do you mean? this isn't the 90s.

[junior ore]

okay thats a valid point.

[astral haven]

1080 on 4k and 720p on 1440 look like native 1080 and 720 respectively

[ashen spindle]

just to link it again since it got lost in discussion https://blurbusters.com/faq/benefits-of-frame-rate-above-refresh-rate/

[junior ore]

it'll be fine if you keep the aspect ratio fo the 1080 content but you'll have black bars fill in the unused space. but it wont look liek garbage.

[stoic locust]

Aight

[junior ore]

depends on WHICH 1440p honestly

[astral haven]

If you allow tearing, your latency can be lower than 1/refresh
It's extremely noticeable in osu

[junior ore]

whats the aspect ratio of which 1440p?

cause you have normal 1440p but then you have ultra wide variants.

[astral haven]

That wouldn't be 1440p then
That would be 1440 ultrawide

[final flame]

thing is with osu your inputs are tied to the framrate, so in fact running beyond the refresh is necessary

[stoic locust]

Basically id like to cap my frames at 240 on siege but it cant go higher than 144 or id have to unca it wjich makes my pc make ton of noise and heat

[indigo delta]

16:9 for normal landscape
21:9 for ultrawide

@junior ore

[final flame]

not every game

[astral haven]

Name a non VR game that updates your movement faster than the framerate of the game

[final flame]

multi threading exists

[astral haven]

That's not how that works

[junior ore]

aye thats what I was saying. They are both 1440p in terms of supporting 1440p content. but are different aspect ratio which was why i asked.

[indigo delta]

Yeah 16:9 and 21:9. You're welcome ;)

@junior ore

[junior ore]

yes I own both fo those

I know that

[indigo delta]

That's the aspect ratio @junior ore

Then why did you ask lol

[junior ore]

I was asking the person which one that they were specifically askign the question about. as in one specific one

[final flame]

then explain how games like stepmania/etterna have input seperated from the framerate

[astral haven]

They dont

[indigo delta]

Oh lol @junior ore

[junior ore]

same games like Trakmania and Doom record player inputs, is that what you mean?

[stoic locust]

I am confusion

[final flame]

they do

[astral haven]

If you limit your framerate to 10 fps, in those games it will take 100ms for the results of your inputs to appear on screen

[astral haven]

They do not @final flame see above

[final flame]

then explain how the game has no issues with inputs running below 100fps

[astral haven]

That's only not true for vr

[astral haven]

Their input handling isn't buggy?

[junior ore]

same games take in sets of inputs and execute them in order, or Buffer Inputs them. there's lots of ways of handling this.

[astral haven]

Good example here

[final flame]

https://github.com/etternagame/etterna

feel free to look at what technique they use

[astral haven]

Yes I'm aware

[junior ore]

i'm really not gonna go about digging through their source code to find out which >.> to know which it would require lots of practice of the game and feeling it out or such. or knowledge from the devs. Like, say, SMash brothers.

[astral haven]

The point is that regardless of how they do whatever they do, the data accumulated before the frame is rendered is burned into the frame
And if the frame is delayed 100ms because it's running at 10 fps, then it takes 100ms to display the next info

Only VR games get around that through reprojection currently

[final flame]

from what the devs have said, the inputs are not tied to the framerate, feel free to ask in the discord server

[astral haven]

Good for them

That doesn't mean what you think it means

Again we aren't talking about how the game handles the inputs internally
Only how it outputs them

What that does mean is if your game is running at 10 billion fps, vs the game running at 1 billion fps, what you see in the end would be the same and your score would be the same by replaying the same inputs

[junior ore]

That means its Buffered Inputs.

[astral haven]

Potentially

[junior ore]

possibly* or some variation

[astral haven]

It's just the inputs are handled in some way that isn't dumb

[junior ore]

lol

[final flame]

theres your answer

[fickle ore]

@final flame Sounds good. Event driven inputs are pog.

[junior ore]

... so yeah as I said. it's buffered.

[astral haven]

Yay so it's exactly what we said

[astral haven]

Yep
Once again proving that they aren't doing anything special

[junior ore]

you can stop. the first one answered things and ti matched what we said.

I imagine most rhythm games would want to do this to avoid being crap, possibly.

[fickle ore]

It's quite unusual, in that most games have framerate bound input

[junior ore]

depends on the type and how the devs want their game to feel.

when you have a game that requires a LOT of inputs coming in HOT AND FAST that such these games require : you need to have buffering and maybe even filtering.

like with fighting games

it can also set up things like INput Priority

[astral haven]

Many games use this because in theory the latency is lower and there's less memory swapping needed

[fickle ore]

Buffering? all games buffer input. Otherwise data would get lost =p

[astral haven]

Not true
The os generally does the buffering

[junior ore]

So say you string up a bunch of inputs and there's is some context : the context could be that an input is given a higher priority in executing the inputs.

[astral haven]

Games only do it when raw input is on

[fickle ore]

and xinput doesnt? and dinput doesnt?

[astral haven]

That's not the game doing it tho 😛

[fickle ore]

Well, uhh

[junior ore]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AmTkH80uojE

[astral haven]

Anyways point is
Higher fps = lower latency overall regardless

Special fancy buffering or not

[fickle ore]

Only if cpu frametime < gpu frametime

[astral haven]

Nope

Regardless

[fickle ore]

Yerp

Nope

[astral haven]

In the same game with the same buffer settings

[fickle ore]

Also a game would choose what input system to use in the past/now. OS doesn't get to decide what input system a game uses, so technically a game requests raw input/Dinput/Xinput to be used, and input gets buffered

[fickle ore]

Nah, when you have vsync off, if your gpu frametime > cpu, you'll get increasing lag until pre-rendered limit is reached. Only when your fps is like 2-3x higher you come ahead in equal conditions and below 1k

Now modern setting of 1 isn't that bad. That's only 2x FPS value

[astral haven]

That's a very strange situation
I'm talking all possible buffering off

That being an increase isn't possible unless you are doing some rather janky stuff with the render buffers

[fickle ore]

You're always 2 frames behind realtime if you're gpu bound

[astral haven]

What?

[fickle ore]

Too much to explain tbh, it's just how it is

sim bound you mean?

[astral haven]

That's very wrong tho
Or at least is a problem with a specific game

[fickle ore]

I am not wrong on this topic

It's a known thing

But however, event based input is nice. Wish more games used that.

[astral haven]

Known doesn't mean factual lel

[fickle ore]

OW sukk

[fickle ore]

Oh, go ahead and argue vs nvidia/amd/windows engineers

ya ofc, just cpu gotta be slightly SLOWER than gpu frametime at all times

[astral haven]

Let's say your CPU frametimes doesn't change
Lower GPU frametimes is gonna = higher fps = lower latency

Let's say your GPU frametimes stay the same, CPU frametimes goes down either does or doesn't increase fps
Regardless of if your fps number stays the same or goes up, it's lower latency

[fickle ore]

wish it were that simple, but it isnt

[astral haven]

I am aware, but that statement is accurate

?

Your GPU frametimes can go down to 0, as long as your CPU frametimes doesn't change, your latency decreases

[fickle ore]

No. I'll try to explain it if I can. I'm not sure I can.

[astral haven]

Your GPU frametimes going down to 0 might cause the CPU franetime to increase, but that's not the fault of the gpu

[fickle ore]

fuck it < sign was wrong way

[fickle ore]

yea this one is correct ur right

[fickle ore]

This one isn't, If I'm understanding the sentence right. If cpu frametime goes too down, at some point it'll be faster than the gpu and you're not cpu bound anymore, so I can't agree with it.

There is always one (sim) frame that gets prepared. The Render Queue is serial. So no matter what you have that one frame of latency. Now what happens next is the frame gets sent to gpu to render and MEANWHILE the cpu starts preparing 2nd frame. If that gpu frame is rendered faster (before) the 2nd cpu frame, you'll always have only 1 frame of latency. Now if that gpu frame is rendered slower than the 2nd frame... That 2nd cpu frame is kept in buffer waiting.. and so on. Until the pre-rendered limit is reached. This increases parallelization and throughput, but comes at the cost of latency.

This can be alleviated with lower pre-render limit on driver level e.g 1, or via NV reflex/AMD low lag, OR in-game with 'hard-sync' aka old "pre-rendered 0", which effectively makes it so CPU is not allowed to start preparing 2nd sim frame UNTIL GPU has fully finished rendering/submitting the the first frame to scanout.

[astral haven]

Does that get counted in CPU franetime?

[fickle ore]

That?

OW for example uses hardsync via the otion "reduce buffering", which sucks for big fps number

[astral haven]

I'm not talking sim time

[fickle ore]

cpu frametime is basically sim time + render submit, so I'm not sure I follow

[astral haven]

No
Well that's not what I mean
I specifically mean the remainder of frametime -gpu frametime

[ashen spindle]

heh would be fun if the situation was like this again, but I really doubt it

[gusty kiln]

does AMD still have a mascot?

I remember some anime girls for a short period

[ashen spindle]

well, we unofficially have wang as a mascot I guess

[gusty kiln]

[vagrant pagoda]

Dr Su is all we need.

[gusty kiln]

AH yes, Mama Su

[vagrant pagoda]

Dr Su is a titan in the tech world, she is all the mascot AMD needs

[cursive summit]

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-rumored-to-launch-radeon-rx-7900-xtx-graphics-card

X1000 series?

I've never heard of those before

2005? No wonder I haven't heard of these before

I guess another way to look at X1000 is HD 1000

And that sounds like a looong time ago

[astral haven]

I've got an x1900xt

It's my second oldest card

It's also my least functional alive GPU in my collection

Also be aware tho that 6900xtx silicon does exist
But it's sold as a 6900xt

https://www.microcenter.com/product/646135/powercolor-amd-radeon-rx-6900-xt-liquid-cooled-16gb-gddr6-pcie-40-graphics-card

This is the product that was rumored to carry the xtx name but just was just called 6900xt liquid and was xtxh under the hood

[fierce aspen]

My cousin has one, I'd say it's OK. Tho parents distrust lenovo due to past experiences

[astral haven]

Lenovo uses multiple manufacturers, quality depends on manufacturer more than brand

[mild dome]

My pal has a Lenovo legion latptop, only issues so far was having to replace the thermal paste because it got old, and the battery because it started swelling.

Replacing it was a pain due to the multiple manufacturers thing, first one I bought was the wrong one because it had a slightly different model number and refused to work with the laptop, so I had to return it and buy another

[halcyon moss]

ive never had issues with my thinkpads 😉

but thats not a gaming laptop

[reef patrol]

Legion is honestly one of the last bastions of sane laptop design. Easy as hell to open, service and replace parts in.

I really miss my old 8th gen one.

[fair gull]

ngl macbooka are also easy to open and service/replace parts

its just that most parts are soldered smd stuff

[reef patrol]

No point in opening a Macbook unless you're apple or a specialist at this point.

RAM is soldered, Everything down to like... speakers?? are hardware locked to a device. SSDs are encrypted and proprietary. Can you even do a battery swap in 2022 without the laptop shitting itself? 😄

[fair gull]

well it is serviceable

but ud replace entire units basically

to keep the topcover

if we talk actual serviceability elitebooks and panasonic toughbooks

[reef patrol]

I'm all about end user serviceability - Hence my comments on the Legion.

[fair gull]

both elitebooks and toughbooks are enguser serviceable

[reef patrol]

Elitebooks are HP right? Yeah I seem to recall those being fairly easy back when I had one.

[fair gull]

the early ones used the battery catches as backdoor latches

[reef patrol]

But those are also in the enterprise segment. Legions are consumer/gamer grade.
You kind of get what you pay for.

[fair gull]

so screwless access

the new ones is 2 screws

then the bottom panel comes off

toughbooks are out of this world expensive

but just the best in terms of serviceability

so i checked and elitebooks with an rtx card arent much more than legion notebooks

oh wait thats zbook

[vocal cipher]

how would I make a autohotkey script where
PrintScreen::<
Shift + PrintScreen::>

keycombination doesn't work

[fair gull]

thats not how you ise shift in a hotkey

https://www.autohotkey.com/docs/Hotkeys.htm

as written here +PrintScreen is shift+printscreen

Home&Printscreen would be home+printscreen

[vocal cipher]

I tried that didn't work, tried & too and didn't work

but now I did & again and it worked

weird, i did a stupid mistake probably

[fair gull]

youd use +Printscreen

[vocal cipher]

stupid ANSI ...

[fair gull]

?

[vocal cipher]

I guess I only tried +PrtSc not Printscreen that's why it didn't work

[vocal cipher]

making me use autohotkey for greater than

[fair gull]

ansi has <>

[vocal cipher]

not on german 😄

[fair gull]

oh ya

thats why u dont get ansi for anything but english

it just doesnt work

also u dont have | then

[vocal cipher]

well, it was for my gf as she liked the design...

[fair gull]

i think thats also gone due to ansi

[vocal cipher]

I don't use german so wouldn't know...

but considering it's probably the same key, it would

[wheat plume]

https://dbad-license.org/

Ok, I love this :')

[halcyon moss]

yeah.. unfortunately these licenses are in practice unusable

there is also a buy me a beer if you meet me irl licence

[wheat plume]

oh lol

[halcyon moss]

if your software package on github has this licence, i cannot use it :p

[wheat plume]

is there a Windows version of the lsusb command?

[ashen spindle]

you can look into the device manager to see all the connected devices and infos about them

[wheat plume]

thats good, the keyboard and mouse and headphones still show their proper names through the USB Switch

so my keyboard software knows its still plugged in and the EQ for my headphones still works

[cursive summit]

https://twitter.com/KyleBennett/status/1584856217335517186?s=20&t=gtT4ag8QBZVft5foVqPuNQ

Kyle Bennett (@KyleBennett)

After the @NVIDIAGeForce melting drama, I have verified through multiple sources that @Radeon Navi 31 ref cards will NOT use the 12VHPWR power adapter, and I could not verify any AIBs using 12VHPWR on N31 either. Picture in case you don't know what a smoked 12VHPWR looks like.

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Twitter · Oct 25, 2022, 10:35 AM

[wheat plume]

Youtube in a few years time: "Video might play between your scheduled ads"

[halcyon moss]

if this would not work, windows would not know which driver to use.

[wheat plume]

works on Linux too on the Deck :D Running lsusb shows the exact brand and model of everything Ive connected to the switch :D

The Nintendo Switch is a fantastic product, hardware wise..The buttons are better than the Steam Deck

bruh... hmm, you sure? Maybe yeh, the back buttons on the Deck arent the best

but the rest is

[frozen ingot]

meanwhile switch joysticks needs replacing once every two weeks

[wheat plume]

Luckily, mine are still fine

ive had it over a year by now

tbf, I only play MarioKart and SMM2

and a bit of other games but not often

[halcyon moss]

@wheat plume did you manage to solve your questionnaire issue yesterday?

[wheat plume]

No

[halcyon moss]

😦

[wheat plume]

Idk wtf is happening

I cleared the browser cache
I cleared everything related to the browser
I copied it to an empty directory
Opened it offline

The questions still show up

[vagrant pagoda]

To be fair to the switch, they are the best compact stick you can get.

[halcyon moss]

so it must be in the file itself

[ashen spindle]

Idk about webdev so this might not work but: if you know the field the question gets displayed in, can you not step through the code on load and check steps by step when it gets the text assigned?

[halcyon moss]

yup, step trough it with a debugger.
There must be some JS in there to handle the questions.

[ashen spindle]

So I would set a breakpoint at the first possible line, set the variable for the question on the watchlist and then just go step by step till I find the line where the text changes to the question

[vagrant pagoda]

I swapped my PSP sticks in my Freeplay cm3 to switch sticks a while back

They are much better

Just not perfectly flat

[halcyon moss]

@wheat plume the browser has a very good debugger built in! just set a breakpoint

or add debugger; to the spot where you want to stop

[pale sigil]

@shadow minnow I've found your next phone

https://gsmarena.com/oneplus_announces_ace_pro_genshin_impact_limited_edition-news-56275.php

[halcyon moss]

not weebish enough

[wheat plume]

Oh boi

[empty wren]

Yeah where is the bodypillow

[halcyon moss]

not sexualized enough too

[ashen spindle]

https://twitter.com/aschilling/status/1584919236736081923

Andreas Schilling 🇺🇦 (@aschilling)

Now the designs of the individual manufacturers are also increasingly coming into focus. Three community members with a 12VHPWR PSU adapter from be quiet! have already posted in the forum. Individual pins came loose from the connector. No fire started!

Twitter · Oct 25, 2022, 2:46 PM

mhh yes, exposed pins that arent ground pins, love to see that

[crimson wigeon]

Why are those things so bad?

[astral haven]

cheaping out on them is significantly more impactful than on a larger connector

[ashen spindle]

another one

[astral haven]

tldr these connectors need to be completely straight

[ashen spindle]

maybe the 90degree cablemod version is fine

surely is going to make them big sales if this will prevent fires lmfao

[astral haven]

yea

what should probably happen tho is nvidia deal with this

[ashen spindle]

and amd better make sure to point out they are using 8 pins

[astral haven]

yea

[ashen spindle]

honestly if they already recorded the talks I would not be surprised if they make an addition and retake a part for that lmfao

[astral haven]

i really hope that amd is actually gonna outright have the crown, i really dont want a 12 pin card now

[ashen spindle]

imagine a 300W model so they only use 2 8pins and stay perfectly in spec

[astral haven]

wellll

[ashen spindle]

its 3 8 pins I know we already saw it

[astral haven]

you also forget

the current tdp crown still is amd

and it was on a dual 8 pin card

[ashen spindle]

yeah but I said stay perfectly in spec 😛

well I guess with pcie power they could get 375 in spec but at that point you still rather have 3

[astral haven]

https://tpucdn.com/gpu-specs/images/c/2523-pcb-front.jpg

500w tdp boiz

https://tpucdn.com/gpu-specs/images/c/1538-front.jpg
tho we could be going back to the days of this sort of gpu

900w
directly wall powered

[ashen spindle]

[astral haven]

"wdym the gpu is 38 inches 1u form factor"

[ashen spindle]

last deal

[astral haven]

isnt that a 10s of kw connector?

[ashen spindle]

3 phase 380V

industrial connector

[astral haven]

how many amps?

[ashen spindle]

400V@32A I think, at leas in this listing, idk what the exact model type is so not easy to confirm

ah the red one is 380-480V

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEC_60309

[astral haven]

15kw ish

weak

[ashen spindle]

maybe thats what we need once a nvidia gpu is made on an intel node

tsmc too weak, cant scale that high

intel? intel will give you enough ++++++ nodes to reach it

[young niche]

Well they are finally off from that, but future will see if they do this for their current 10nm(or intel 7) node

[astral haven]

just get a j1772

[ashen spindle]

wym they are off from that? they are off from 14nm sure, but the current node is like 10nm++++++

just that 10nm++ or so was renamed to intel 7

but to be fair, those + revisions are usually bigger than the 14nm revisions

[young niche]

I would pray that Intel better don't get stuck on a node anymore, if not we get basically fucked by monopoly

On the other hand at least even if Intel one day gives up on fab business, we still have other foundries

Like samsung etc.

[astral haven]

intel will never give up on it

[ashen spindle]

they wont give up, they are spinning it out to be more of its own

but they would never drop that

[astral haven]

yep

[ashen spindle]

also yeah tsmc probably is ahead right now, but they are not in a monopol situation

both intel and samsung are having a shot to overtake if they get GAAFET out first since tsmc is still doing FINFET at 2nm

[young niche]

did samsung revised the node size from 3mm to 2mm?

[ashen spindle]

and TSMC 3N is a broken mess they managed to salvage but the original node is not used anymore

not that I recall, samsung 3nm should be their first attempt at GAA

they mentioned 2 yes

[young niche]

I decided to wait 1 - 2 more CPU generations from the current zen 3 I own.

[ashen spindle]

probably a good call

[young niche]

Intel has better control and features, but they are slower on transistor game.
AMD currently uses better transistors and enjoying better efficiency and power gains, but their features and control are still very rough on the edges and they barely make upgrades to them from zen 3 to zen 4

[astral haven]

and intel still has a signficant edge on overall power use thanks to idle working

[young niche]

I believe Intel CPU circuitry is way complex than AMD's, but offers more control although overall efficiency is lower due to more electronics
There is a lot of things I wished AMD could do to squeeze out more efficiency and performance from.

[astral haven]

thats likely incorrect

i am extremely confident amds is far more complex thanks to their modular design

and amd couuuuld make more efficient and performant chips, its just less profit for them

[ashen spindle]

well the question is, did you mean to say more or less complex lel

[astral haven]

each of intels flagship chips has a chip opportunity cost of approximately $200, vs the $70 of amd

[ashen spindle]

it was just said "way complex"

[young niche]

😅 Typo.

[astral haven]

chiplet is very very very stonks

[young niche]

For GPU, chiplet is a way to go due to the parallel nature of GPU workload.

[astral haven]

thats the exact opposite of the truth lel

[ashen spindle]

well, it might seem like that at first, but it is quite complex

[astral haven]

unless thats not a typo and you mean it literally just is a way to go, not the best way

[young niche]

GPU don't suffer as much latency issues die to die as most of the operations are parallel(except if you are adding all the results from different SMs together from separate dies). So AMD might be winning a lot here by going MCM on GPU.

[astral haven]

thats not how that works

look at m1 ultra