We’ll see in a month or so
#🔌│tech
pulsar canopy
ashen spindle
people said the same about amd cards last gen
ashen spindle
also the leaks about both cards have been relatively consistent for about a year and turned out to be basically spot on for the nvidia performance
pulsar canopy
When is amd’s reveal?
cursive summit
Nov3
pulsar canopy
Release date for the cards?
cursive summit
Rumoured Nov 21st
pulsar canopy
👀
cursive summit
So, "There were early plans for a version with 288MB of Infinity Cache (2-hi), but this was shelved as the cost-benefit was not worth it. "
Kepler's lying or is there something we don't know yet
ashen spindle
or you cant read
cursive summit
what
ashen spindle
the article is not that long man..
cursive summit
What are you on about
ashen spindle
There is a 3D stacked MCD also being productized
cursive summit
Alright
wheat plume
2,432 packages need updating on clean install of Fedora 36....
1.6GB
gosh damn ok
wait no, that is the wrong number... 1855 packages
I was seeing a different thing
still a lot
ashen spindle
smh linux bloat
wheat plume
dont you just love when Konsole opens in a window about 30x40 pixels in size
ashen spindle
7990
HD 7990 was a dual chip card so now it's going to be dual chip of different type again heh
would fit at least somewhat
cursive summit
I'm sad that when it comes to GPUs there aren't many "specializations"
You either go fast or not
At least with CPUs you can go for gaming FPS, productivity or other stuff and make them priced differently
So something like a Radeon 7800XT3D makes no sense
I'm excluding Nvidia's A and Radeon's W
They are highly dedicated workstation software stuff
ashen spindle
I'm sad that when it comes to GPUs there aren't many "specializations"
? cdna
cursive summit
Same can be attributed to CPUs, you have Threadrippers and Epycs
I just feel sad that there's no real reason for AMD to slap extra 3D cache on a 700$ GPU
Instead all they'll prolly do is slap some on their top end SKU to make it faster and call it the best card in the market
ashen spindle
because then it would either not be a 700$ gpu anymore or the base would suck a lot lmfao
cursive summit
There's plenty of reason to make a Ryzen 7800X3D, no reason to make a Radeon 7800XT3D 
Which is kinda sad in a way
ashen spindle
not really because it might not even be any significant performance uplift
and unless you get something from it, why would you want it
cursive summit
I kinda want to decouple the productivity perf and gaming perf into separate product niches
Gaming perf should come cheaper like 5800X3D was, meanwhile for productivity there's plenty of reason to go for 5900X/5950X instead
You can't, to my knowledge rn, do that with GPUs
Or at least it isn't being done
ashen spindle
because amd is giving you an entirely seperate gpu architecture for compute?
and nvidia to a lesser degree as well?
ashen spindle
I kinda want to decouple the productivity perf and gaming perf into separate pro...
what you are suggesting is splitting stuff up even more which creates more R&D cost and higher product costs from that as well as lower amount of sales for the individual parts
ehh not really, that was just a reduction in max. clocks for temperature reasons which can be refined over time, was the first product after all
cursive summit
what you are suggesting is splitting stuff up even more which creates more R&D c...
Tbf they already did that with AMD releasing X3D parts
And it works, it seems
ashen spindle
not really
cursive summit
Quadro is A though
cursive summit
The only thing that Nvidia genuinely ditched is Titan
ashen spindle
there is an A6000 that is ampera and an A6000 that is lovelace
same name
its not a consuemr product so idc but its just a mess after they ditched quadro brand
unless you get a revival of ethereum, wont be the case
cursive summit
So we got confirmation
Twitter
N32 mobile=6950xt
Mobile chip that isn't even top SKU beating out 6950XT?
Last I heard with mobile stuff, it's mobile GPUs are typically equivalent in power to the similar naming bracket desktop GPUs of last generation, so 3060m = 2060
If they can achieve such performance with a mobile chip, what sort of orders of magnitude of energy efficiency are we talking about
ashen spindle
likely not
rdna should be scaling better on lower power
so if amd has volume they can make the better option laptops finally
ashen spindle
what
anyway no, seems likely, would make sense
if n31 is like 80% or so above the 6900
n32 idk put it at 30% above or something and then mak eit 30% worse for mobile power target
wheat plume
wheat plume
weights in the box, what??
wheat plume
NewEgg sent a paying customer weights instead of the GPU???????
ashen spindle
cursive summit
NewEgg sent a paying customer weights instead of the GPU???????
Weird that you didn't hear that story
Common thing though
Amazon gets return trolled all the time
ashen spindle
its not return trolled
cursive summit
Order RTX 4090, take the GPU out, put something equally as heavy in, send it back
ashen spindle
they need to take inventory and see if it works if returned etc.
especially on something that costs over a grand
wheat plume
Order RTX 4090, take the GPU out, put something equally as heavy in, send it bac...
o... and they dont bother checking before they send it to another customer?
cursive summit
Lana
I guess when it comes to " I don't need it anymore" returns it might be different
Though I heard Amazon is lenient at times when you file a false "It came broken" or "I didn't get my thing" complaint
ashen spindle
and if you return something saying it arrived broken, it then wont get resold as a working product
or at least thats how it should be
and we still dont know it its newegg or 3rd party etc.
hence the first tweet saying they are looking into it and will have an update
cursive summit
There were good reasons for it
Ah it seems it was deleted, I was looking for it
ashen spindle
no it was not good reason, that guy was an idiot who though a CNC cutter and 3d printer are the same
you dont 3dprint blocks of metal lmfao
ashen spindle
I said you dont, not you cant, because why would anyone waste a 3d printer to making a chunk of metal you just cut from something and be done
cursive summit
Fair nuff
ashen spindle
like its a piece cut from a pipe and a cylinder or similar
cursive summit
It does not like a recent model of macbook air
wheat plume
oh, the new Airs have the notch....
wheat plume
thats not even a thing on Mac
and if it was, there is the global menu in the way
which the notch is in the way for a lot of the time when the app has a lot of menu items...
Like a lot of IDEs
ashen spindle
feel like we had that topic some weeks/months ago and noticed for some IDE it was in fact not in the way?
gusty kiln
I like the idea of using your iPhone as a webcam a lot better than whatever they got going on
wheat plume
we also know that some apps, it IS in the way
wheat plume
I like the idea of using your iPhone as a webcam a lot better than whatever they...
yeh, that is a very neat idea, tbh
ashen spindle
that bending
wheat plume
crimson wigeon
Wait it's not supposed to be like that?
shadow minnow
fuck notches on LAPTOPS
You can’t notice it using it
shadow minnow
Well it adds how much screen you have
wheat plume
Nah...
shadow minnow
Idk but I would take this over thicker bezel, though depends on how thick would it be
wheat plume
That space is used by the panel anyway
What does MacOS refer to the top panel as?
I'm sure Apple call it something
shadow minnow
Anyways it took me a few days to get used to and now I only remember the notch exists when someone brings it up complaining about it, genuinely
wheat plume
Yeh
It's that way for me on my phone too
shadow minnow
What does MacOS refer to the top panel as?
Aparently menu bar
wheat plume
But on a laptop
With an OS that used a global menu
That can get pretty long sometimes
The notch is stupid
shadow minnow
Yeh
It's that way for me on my phone too
For me usually, but with like movies sometimes do get to notice if
shadow minnow
But on a laptop
With an OS that used a global menu
That can get pretty long som...
Never had that happen
Even tried some IDEs last time
wheat plume
I wonder for some music apps or video editors xd
Someone made an app for the notch where you can drag files to the notch and itll send them over AirDrop when you release them
wheat plume
Geforce Experience enabled by default 🤢 luckily we can say no
reef patrol
Yes.... sometimes you can.
ashen spindle
yes that is also something we have already talked about some weeks ago..
is it deja vu day today?
wheat plume
whats the nvidia HD Audio thing?
wheat plume
Oh, it sends audio over the HDMI
wheat plume
Mine has a jack but I tried to use it and just got static
maybe cause I didnt install this driver...now that I think about it
ashen spindle
I knew I remembered this happening before
wheat plume
nah, this way is fine
I just often forget to check if there is a new version I can download
ashen spindle
yeah same
fair gull
Mine has a jack but I tried to use it and just got static
no cause some monitors have a headphone jack and not an audio in jack
wheat plume
?
ashen spindle
oh hey the driver tracks your average fps on played games? thats actually usefull
wheat plume
wat does this have to do with what I said?
wheat plume
I said my monitor has a headphone jack, then you said that some monitor have a jack and not audio in? where you get the audio in part from?
fair gull
no thats not what you said
cursive summit
Displays got audio in?
cursive summit
Huh, I've not heard of that one
fair gull
literally more common
cursive summit
I guess for microphones or something like that?
wheat plume
I know mine is for audio out, has a headphone symbol next to it
fair gull
so they can also be used with audio on monitor
wheat plume
i still dont know why you thought i meant audio in
cursive summit
literally more common
.
ashen spindle
because you did not say its a headphone jack and audio in jacks are more common
cursive summit
I didn't know that, but since audio in exists on monitors, for some reason, it makes sense
Now imma do some research and try to find a monitor with audio in
ashen spindle
anything with a speaker likely has one
cursive summit
Cause this is some revelation I've never seen or heard of before
wheat plume
yeh ive never heard of it either
clearly
if I had, id have said headphone jack instead of audio in jack
and then tony wouldnt have had to get pedantic over it
cursive summit
So
This one has speakers, supposedly
I... can't say I can see audio in
USB-B though
That's a weirdo
reef patrol
Going to bet it doesn't and the headphone jack is for HDMI to headphone
wheat plume
USB-B though
thats to power the USB A ports
wheat plume
so does the fact the monitor is plugged into the wall, my monitor has USB B and non of the USB A ports work if the USB B is not plugged in
ashen spindle
you do not use hdmi power to power your monitor usb ports lmao
also it has hdmi which carries sound, as tony said for vga, dvi and dp it uses audio in usually
cursive summit
Why else does HDMI power draw exist, the display has its own AC cable
ashen spindle
to be an active cable to carry signal and power the screen??
also not hdmi base spec
ngl this will be fun to look at after I get a new gpu
does nvidias panel have an overview like that?
I know you can set game settings and such in GFE but idk if it knows fps
wheat plume
also @fair gull you know me long enough to know im stupid af, so its better to assume IDK that audio in was even a thing before getting pissed at me for not specifiying between headphone jack and audio input jack
ashen spindle
idk I havent played that game in like over a year
stark bobcat
that is overwatch 2
empty wren
Oh weird it says ovwrwtxh then
ashen spindle
didnt even know this gpu ever overwatch
oh wait thats not from my screenshot
lmfao
well one chance is that your fps is ass
stark bobcat
Oh weird it says ovwrwtxh then
it s the same game
ashen spindle
its basically just a new battlepass season
its not lazy
its just marketing
and its working
empty wren
Weird
wheat plume
I was about to say, it literally looks and feels and acts the same
ashen spindle
the other option is that it doesnt accurately track some things so might count loading screens etc.
stark bobcat
they managed to get more people to play their old ass game so I'd say what they did was successful
empty wren
they managed to get more people to play their old ass game so I'd say what they ...
Weird
Re release game to make people play old one
ashen spindle
yes its like a new battlepass season in fortnite
gusty kiln
the real reason for the rerelease was for the PvE, but that was taking too long and they didn't want to leave people waiting another 1-2 years
empty wren
Wow
ashen spindle
some changes for balance and an hd texture pack
gusty kiln
I am excited for the PvE though, replay value seems high
ashen spindle
I just noticed overwatch fps is ass
anyway, I do see a number of games that are 60fps capped and always run at it show 55/57 fps so it likely counts loading screens and all, so on low playtime menu etc. will drag it donw
stark bobcat
honestly playing it again the game wasn't quite as ass as I remembered and I do enjoy challanging my aim
ashen spindle
yeah a influx of players will make it better until everyone notices the same issues are still there and all
stark bobcat
well I think the issues are only there if only the most sweaty people play it
and that inevitably will happen again
ashen spindle
yeah server stuff is neat, wonder if we ever get some workstation arm stuff in this decade or if its further out
chrome estuary
i mean if hezner would make a chassis and mobo for it, that thing could easily be in a tower case for workstation use.
wheat plume
2.462GHz
I've never seen it to 3 decimal places before :')
It's always 2.4GHz
But rounding this up would be 2.5GHz
pale sigil
For some reason my sister's room has delayed packets etc
Even though the router is outside her room, it's also more stable downstairs.
Hmmm
median bone
does wooting 60 he have key strafing built into the keyboard ?
fair gull
2.462GHz
I've never seen it to 3 decimal places before :')
It's always 2.4GHz
thats channel 11
fuck transparency in discord darkmode
wheat plume
Oo
chrome estuary
I am on ethernet, this is the fastest package we can buy, and this is the only internet company in my entire area.
i'm seriously tempted to get starlink when it gets out to my area, Elon Musk product or not
cursive summit
What sort of swamp do you live in
chrome estuary
southern indiana
cursive summit
Quite a swamp
chrome estuary
it feels like it bro
wheat plume
Ffs bro
chrome estuary
damn it
cursive summit
What are you doing step-bro
chrome estuary
ignoring this. I just want my internet to be better. also starlink is supposedly going to be in my area in 2023 but i'm pretty sure it said that last year for 2022
cursive summit
Why is Starlink not available in the U.S
Wouldn't that be literally the first place it launches
chrome estuary
it is, just not my little corner
cursive summit
So anywhere from Washington, Oregon through Dakotas towards the Hampshires, Pennsylvanias and New Yorks, there is no Starlink?
cursive summit
They only launched it in Texas or what
chrome estuary
nah, northern indiana has access to it
wheat plume
Oooo
Underwater drone...
https://youtu.be/5LypnwpnO8Q
wheat plume
"oh look at me, I bought a Lamborghini!"
Oh yeah, buy some damn subtitles
Tom Scott - 2020
vagrant pagoda
Starlink!
vagrant pagoda
Put pre order in
Otherwise the date will keep pushing
Buddy has had it for over a year
And the site still says the wait is 2023
chrome estuary
is it worth it?
it's 110$/m and i'm not sure what it'll be like down where i live.
ashen spindle
I assume you can cancel it if you dont want it when it comes to you, but with how far out it is, might as well sign up I'd say
vagrant pagoda
I assume you can cancel it if you dont want it when it comes to you, but with ho...
You buy the dish though 0
It's like 400 bucks
chrome estuary
^
neat cove
Are there any tryhard VM users here? Cause I got a question; I'm just trying to figure everything out and the thing I don't understand is I installed a potentially malicious program on my VM and windows defender of the VM detected it as a virus BUT also windows defender of my machine, the host. Is that possible or am I fucked?
Windows defender of the host can't quarantine it so I'm guessing that it can only detect viruses running on the VM?
But from what I've read, the host antivirus shouldn't be able to detect anything unless it has spread to the host machine?
cursive summit
As far as my fairly limited VM knowledge knows, viruses can't normally spread from your VM to your host machine
Especially if you are running something like hyper-v
neat cove
As far as my fairly limited VM knowledge knows, viruses can't normally spread fr...
Yeah, that's what I'va also read but that would mean that the hosts antivirus can detect viruses in the VM
neat cove
Especially if you are running something like hyper-v
I'm running VirtualBox
cursive summit
It might be possible since the antivirus scans the memory and stuff
And some kind of memory bit matched with Windows defender's threat detect
What's the location identified as?
shadow minnow
1980€ for 4090 tuf in stock yes or not?
neat cove
What's the location identified as?
It's under the VM's storage
cursive summit
It's under the VM's storage
Then it's likely nothing serious
stark bobcat
Just get a normal fucking gpu lol
cursive summit
Just get a normal fucking gpu lol
Bexin and normal don't pair
Sad reality we live in
neat cove
Also another thing is, the hosts av detected the virus after I reset windows on the VM to test if viruses could remain.
cursive summit
Since, to my knowledge, the VM runs on sandboxed memory which doesn't transfer back to the main host, it should be fine
ashen spindle
what file did the host flag? if its the vm file its likely just that it can scan the vm file from the outside
cursive summit
It's under the VM's storage
.
ashen spindle
thats the path not the file
cursive summit
Sure
neat cove
The file and path are the storage of the vm
ashen spindle
yeah the .vdi file just means it found it in the vm, it did not spread
cursive summit
Yeah I don't think it's anything bad either
ashen spindle
https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2022/10/ransomware-crypto-miner-and-botnet-malware-installed-using-patched-vmware-bug/ though there are vm issues so make sure to always run the latest versions
neat cove
Windows defender did do something cause the vm crashes as soon as it runs
neat cove
https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2022/10/ransomware-crypto-miner-a...
I do, I've read that too.
cursive summit
It crashes cause it's quarantined
ashen spindle
yeah it tried to put the vm into quarantine so the file is likely messed up
cursive summit
According to Defender
cursive summit
Unless you need that file just get rid of it
VMware does rollback snapshots at times however, I dunno if Vbox does as well
Check if you can roll back
ashen spindle
I think there might be a setting or way to prevent defender form scanning the vm file, otherwise add that to exceptions or it will just do that every time
neat cove
I didn't make a snapshot
stark bobcat
Anything important on there?
neat cove
I think there might be a setting or way to prevent defender form scanning the vm...
Yeah i'll look it up, I didn't even know av could detect viruses in a vm especially not windows defender 😄
stark bobcat
Defender isn't bad
ashen spindle
defender has been good enough since win7 that everything else is basically just a money scam
especially since win 10
neat cove
Anything important on there?
Nah, I'm just testing stuff. It's my first time using a vm so don't really know what I'm doing
stark bobcat
Eh start over ig
neat cove
defender has been good enough since win7 that everything else is basically just ...
A lot of false possitives tho no?
ashen spindle
not really
neat cove
Eh start over ig
Yeah I will
ashen spindle
most false postivies are ones that are not a virus but basically spam, or someone didn't sign a program correctly which in most cases is the devs fault
some rare exceptions to those but you'll have some false positives with everything
bc if you wouldn't have them you would instead have more missed postives lmao
cursive summit
Defenders false positives are usually HackTools or notavirus for me
neat cove
most false postivies are ones that are not a virus but basically spam, or someon...
Good to know!
neat cove
Defenders false positives are usually HackTools or notavirus for me <:dogekek:84...
Yeah ahhaha
cursive summit
It's been a while since I've ever had a genuine trojan
Just don't go to the deep end
And have a proper AV
Including browser plugins that protect from BS
stark bobcat
Wym proper antivirus?
ashen spindle
defender is a proper AV
neat cove
I use defender and I have malwarebytes to scan sometimes
stark bobcat
I never needed anything but defender
But then again I grew up with xp without av so I know how to avoid trash
cursive summit
Some AV suites are actually really advanced nowadays and it's worth to get a dedicated AV suite
ashen spindle
for what
cursive summit
For ransomware remedy, reverting malware damage changes, etc
ashen spindle
you can do all that by doing basic computer hygiene for free
cursive summit
Cloud based detection isn't always up to date, I imagine if Defender lets ransomware through, you're ducked
Some AV suites detect ransomware that has begun its payload and will protect the PC even if the firewall didn't work
ashen spindle
you dont need an AV to make backups
stark bobcat
No offence but if u get ransomware you are either old or computer illiterate
cursive summit
Or there's a major ransomware attack worldwide
ashen spindle
also wtf do you mean if the firewall didn't work, you mean if some state sponsored hacker targets you out of everyone in the world and uses some ISP level exploit to get into your router?
cursive summit
Something like being in a network that got compromised by something like wannacry back in 2017?
stark bobcat
"much of WannaCry's spread was from organizations that had not applied these, or were using older Windows systems that were past their end-of-life"
Just update your os
cursive summit
Not always all ransomware is patched out before it can spread
stark bobcat
Every computer literate person I know has never had ransomware
cursive summit
Yet
stark bobcat
and they probably never will unless they become senile
cursive summit
Who knows, maybe one day there will be some major ransomware that'd propagate through google.com domain and spread through networks
That'd be pretty fatal
Sometimes being computer literate doesn't protect you
neat cove
Who knows, maybe one day there will be some major ransomware that'd propagate th...
the day that happens it's over lmao
stark bobcat
I have my doubts
cursive summit
You might want a dedicated suite even on the edge case that something bad happens
stark bobcat
if that shit is on google.com I promise u the AV company also won't know about it
ashen spindle
there is a massive difference between some unknown local protocol for printers that nobody uses and finding and exploit in HTTP
cursive summit
That's why some suites literally have built in systems to stop malware that bypassed the detection sequence
ashen spindle
and even then, do a backup, dont store passwords in a textfile and you just wipe it if that somehow were to happen
no need to pay for any AV
stark bobcat
I prefer to not waste the money I could be using to buy food
cursive summit
Eh fair enough
cursive summit
there is a massive difference between some unknown local protocol for printers t...
Last I heard javascript exploits are pretty notorious
neat cove
I've used malwarebytes to remve a virus on my friends pc before
ashen spindle
yeah so you need to have a massive unkown exploit AND get into the google servers to infect people from google.com
stark bobcat
malwarebytes goes hard 👍
ashen spindle
gl getting even one of that
cursive summit
One of those happened with wannacrypt
Let's hope google's servers don't get hacked though
ashen spindle
which part happend with wcry
cursive summit
"massive unkown exploit"
ashen spindle
I thought that was just over SMB
stark bobcat
if they hack google servers they are competent enough to fool the bum AV
cursive summit
It's a pretty unknown exploit if the only people that know about it are the CIA
ashen spindle
ok that was in relation to Js or w/e else google uses on the website
cursive summit
if they hack google servers they are competent enough to fool the bum AV
Not really if the AV suite keeps your PC in a perpetual sandbox
ashen spindle
also getting ad/scriptblocker is also cheaper than an AV and helps against more than just compromised javascript code
so why do you need an AV for that?
if you just want a VM put it into a vm
sure AV suites can offer something, I just dont see what they can do that you can't also get for free
neat cove
Is VirtualBox good btw?
ashen spindle
yea
neat cove
sure AV suites can offer something, I just dont see what they can do that you ca...
I think it's more emotional, the target consumer doesn't know how anything works. So I think most would rather pay for an av that does most things than look into free options.
Security feels more secure if you pay for it
I said it
😄
ashen spindle
yeah but if you go to sandboxing something that wont be a 1 click solution either way
neat cove
yeah true
cursive summit
Tbf if a full top-end AV suite was free forever, who wouldn't want to get one
ashen spindle
I mean at that rate why still use an AV suite
what does it offer me above just using a VM for putting it into VM
neat cove
Tbf if a full top-end AV suite was free forever, who wouldn't want to get one <:...
Ofc, but a good av without 20million adds and shit programs that it installs does not exist
cursive summit
Ofc, but a good av without 20million adds and shit programs that it installs doe...
It does
neat cove
but yeah if it existed everyone would wan tit withou a doubt
cursive summit
- Download Kaspersky Total Protection Suite
- Send false packets to their activation server
- Activate a lifetime account for free
Best AV suite in the world for free
neat cove
I heard about that, does it actually work?
ashen spindle
ok but what does it do, I still dont see what I'd get from it
ashen spindle
ok
cursive summit
What I most like about it is that it somehow encapsulates Windows into a sandbox and will revert any malware damage if the cloud based firewall didn't work
ashen spindle
so it does vpn, I'd rather use a different vpn for privacy reasons and also vpns dont protect you from what most people think it does
adblocker, ok, why not just adblocker plugin that works better, what do they call the sandbox thing you talk about
cursive summit
The only of the extras I use is the password manager honestly
But mostly I like that whatever happens the PC will be fine
They have up to date cloud database that covers nearly most old and zero-day malwares and also has passive protection after that
ashen spindle
you still havent told me what that feature is so I cant look what it allegedly does
like what does it do above windows rollback
cursive summit
I think it falls under this one?
Anti-Ransomware (Windows Only): Monitors your PC in real-time to identify activity that matches ransomware behavior. This enables suspicious activity to be blocked instantly, stopping ransomware attacks from locking you out of your machines.
ashen spindle
ok so you using some sort of placebo feature
and password manager you get safer and for free, without having to fake an activation
ashen spindle
all I could find is what you can do with windows restore points already
cursive summit
I'm not sure what is "placebo" about identifying an undetected virus, containing it, and reverting all damage without the need of windows snapshots
Cause let's be real, even if you had a windows snapshot, if that ransomware kicks in half of the time it'll be encrypted
ashen spindle
so that kaspersky rollback magically can unencrypt it?
because if not then it just stores an additional backup of things
cursive summit
It rolls it back before encryption even begins
ashen spindle
because it notices that but doesnt notices the virus? because if it would it would just stop the virus
cursive summit
Well it does both I suppose, if any damage actually happened it contains the virus and then reverts all changes
ashen spindle
soooo. what does it do over having defender running with having backups/restore points
cursive summit
It has bigger and more frequently updated database than defender, better detection than defender and is less ass to actually work with than defender
Along with a lot of other features
Defender just quarantines absolutely everything all the time
Kaspersky actually doesn't do that, it runs the malware, sees if it's malicious, if it is it gets rid of it, if not but it falls into the database, it notifies first
A lot easier to work with
Defender has this annoying habit of quarantining files and then keeps quarantining them even after you tell him to stop doing that
ashen spindle
that sounds wrong
clicking on allow item is all you should need and then it allows it
cursive summit
Not here
Especially with KMS (Key Management Services)
Windows just hates KMS
Quarantined, allow, quarantined again, allow, quarantined again
ashen spindle
feel like thats not really a valid complaint if thats all you are having trouble with lmfao
cursive summit
I just hate working with defender
It's way too aggressive for user comfort
Plus I like having the extra automatic protection on top of a basic anti-virus
ashen spindle
which I feel are just placebo since you cant explain to me what it actually does
cursive summit
Could you please watch some sort of a test where the AV in question was put against zero-day malwares and ransomwares and see how effectively it deals with all threats?
It's far more effective than Defender, although Defender is solid enough
ashen spindle
then link me something, I'm asking for what it does on top
cursive summit
ashen spindle
ok so based on that channel looking into windows defender just use that and the folder protection feature and you're set and then just rollback if something happens, which I would want to do anyway after I get hit by something because if its a new thing who knows if it also goes around the minirollback that has ¯_(ツ)_/¯
cursive summit
Eh fair enough
Defender's just fine for most users
I guess if you live more on the edge you might want something more
ashen spindle
if you live more on the edge you live in a VM anway so you reset the entire image
shadow minnow
I have installed Minecraft mods from pretty shady sites and no viruses
cursive summit
I have installed Minecraft mods from pretty shady sites and no viruses <:dogekek...
Yeah that's the scariest thing
If it's not on 9minecraft or planetminecraft or whatever it's called, I just do without it
shadow minnow
Used to use those two sites and more number Minecraft before I knew curseforge existed
misty saffron
Could you please watch some sort of a test where the AV in question was put agai...
you underestimate how quickly malware is discovered nowadays
and sigged appropriately
cursive summit
I do not, no
I am aware how within hours at times they are documented or even before they are released
But in a fantastical scenario where everything goes wrong, I want to be protected
vagrant pagoda
But in a fantastical scenario where everything goes wrong, I want to be protecte...
Single point failure is never protection
You're counting on one software to prevent and resolve data loss
empty wren
But in a fantastical scenario where everything goes wrong, I want to be protecte...
Just no use compuder and wear hatfoil
pale sigil
If it's not on 9minecraft or planetminecraft or whatever it's called, I just do ...
9mc is so shady man
Idk why anyone uses it
shadow minnow
I used to not know alternatives, and some mods could only find there
vagrant pagoda
I used to not know alternatives, and some mods could only find there <:dogekek:8...
only leaked version of paid mods lol
shadow minnow
only leaked version of paid mods lol
No there was one or two mods that were only for older versions oficially but somehow one of the shady websites had them on newer.
But that was back in 1.12.2 times when I was making a huge custom modpack
still warren
Hey Guys, i love the LED from GamestateIntegration in CSGO on my Logitech G910 is there something similar on the 60HE?
cursive summit
Lol what is this
They already made a variant of that Win10 unbloated version for Win11?
I am... interested
I wonder what important features do you lose by unbloating Windows
Updates?
wheat plume
updates, MS Store apps usually, potential drivers that would be downloaded by updates,
wheat plume
Im not sure if you lose the store in this one, but most Debloated Windows I see, you do lose it
cursive summit
Ghost Toolbox! (Add or Remove Windows Store and Much More!)
So you can keep it
Support UWP Games / UWP Apps (ex. Forza/GOW/etc, etc) , Updatable (can update to latest build Windows 11!) , Window update can be paused until 2077!
Huh
pale sigil
Sounds like a lot of effort but probably worth it considering it will be ran off an SD card lol
cursive summit
It's also really really light weight
I'm rather interested of trying it out on a VM or something like that
pale sigil
Would it not be logical for me to use the windows 10 version tbh
shadow minnow
In past has been proven false
And actually I remember my iPhone 6s Plus getting faster 5 years after it came out with software updates
Only real case of apple slowing down stuff was when people genuinely had their phones randomly shut down because of their battery
Besides that, why AirPods Max is not an old product, and has no replacement yet
Why would they slow it down when AirPods Max 2 don’t exist
And AirPods Max are pretty sure bigger profit AirPods Pro
wheat plume
how would I find out where TF the website if getting questions from? I have the html file, and it works offline, and I can search the source code
I cannot fucking find where its pulling the questions from
I even copied the html file to its own folder to see if it was using another file to get them, but nope, still works
Ive hunted the source code and cant find shit
reef patrol
Depends on how the website is set up - You will most likely not find any of that in the output html. Cause we use PHP, ASP and such these days to compile HTML 😄
wheat plume
its a standalone html file though
and it works offline, so the questions must be contained in it somewhere
reef patrol
Search for sentences and words?
reef patrol
Fascinating.
wheat plume
the site has turned off the ability to right click too, I could see if I can disable that for a while
pale sigil
Cache
wheat plume
pale sigil
When you say offline
cursive summit
wheat plume
hm? I turned off the wifi, loaded the page
pale sigil
So cache
reef patrol
hm? I turned off the wifi, loaded the page
Might need to clear cookies etc... or open it in incognito to make sure browser hasn't cached.,
wheat plume
I just tried that, cleared cache and all browser data from the last hour, and restarted it
wheat plume
Look in the cache folder
wherer?
pale sigil
Idk for Linux
wheat plume
im on windows in firefox rn
cursive summit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pFCd76eV0U
This testing perplexes me
pale sigil
Appdata
cursive summit
In a lot of the games enabling XeSS gives you less FPS
pale sigil
Local
cursive summit
Why on earth would you enable it
ashen spindle
yes if you set it to ultra quality
ashen spindle
simple, it uses functions not sped up enough by other hardware
amd only has the DP4a not the XMX instructions so on a rdna2 card it uses the slower algo
ruby reef
Sup, i cant place order on the website, it just sends me back to main page
ashen spindle
halcyon moss
how would I find out where TF the website if getting questions from? I have the ...
did you figure it out yet?
wheat plume
nope....
halcyon moss
care to share the file? 😉
halcyon moss
not allowed i guess?
wheat plume
ye...
halcyon moss
ok. also look in the scripts tab, there might be some nice webpack compiled stuff in there.
i assume you checked the webworkers and network tab
service workers*
halcyon moss
check the file source and read through it? there should be a reference somewhere to something that handles questions
wheat plume
and none of it is text wrapped
halcyon moss
turn on wrapping
wheat plume
I can see all the functions where it checks if the answer is correct and the one to get the final score at the end and the one that shows a popup if you get it wrong
halcyon moss
or.. open it in an editor with an auto formatter
halcyon moss
that would be the content of an html element as text
wheat plume
o
halcyon moss
step through it with a debugger
wheat plume
oh right
halcyon moss
thats a weird way to console.log 😉
halcyon moss
those error make it look like old as shit :p
wheat plume
yeah, theres a shit ton of Netscape and IE references in the code
well..9
LOL
oh navigator means browser in code
ok
halcyon moss
is there an eval or base64 decoding going on? 😉
wheat plume
huh?
latent mural
hey i’m trying to pre order the 60he but the pre order today button doesn’t do anything. Is that a website issue or an error on my part?
wheat plume
hey i’m trying to pre order the 60he but the pre order today button doesn’t do a...
same here actually, I just tried it
latent mural
pls help i love this bird i want my bird so bad 😢
ashen spindle
cursive summit
Careful we have Linux stans
To them everything works because using user unfriendly OS is a good thing
ashen spindle
were your windows closed? if not the cloud might come in and steal your local OS
pale sigil
I've re installed steamos in case previous issues were borked install
stark bobcat
No xess on steamdeck yet ig
cursive summit
Does Deck do dual boot?
stark bobcat
Does Deck do dual boot?
It's a pc
ashen spindle
No xess on steamdeck yet ig
yeah same lack of instructions on the apu
and quality isnt better than fsr either so
stark bobcat
Maybe intel is gonna update it like amd and Nvidia did theirs
Not looking very promising for performance on the deck tho
ashen spindle
I mean it was never going to be something that just flat out beats fsr on all platforms
still think with more tuning it can make it so people might chose that over DLSS or nvidia does something like opening up parts of DLSS for other vendors
pale sigil
Does Deck do dual boot?
SteamOS doesn't properly support it so it's a pita
Rn steam os is a recovery image
Lovely
reef patrol
halcyon moss
Linux.... Where nothing just works
haha true..
cursive summit
When you are that thick it bends itself
Interesting how 3rd gen Ryzen is on top and first Raptor lake part is less popular than a 12400f
7600X is the most popular new Ryzen part and that's less popular than even Ryzen 5 5500
Wew AMD's launch wasn't very successful
ashen spindle
really? amd is showing higher revenue and they have higher margins
pale sigil
Steam OS is so shit omg
ashen spindle
for investors this is successful, just not a totally sweeping victory
cursive summit
The higher revenue part seems to come from increased 5000 series sales
5800X3D is getting sold really well
ashen spindle
so you can sell 5000 series despite intel launching next gen
sounds like a good thing
cursive summit
Yep
ashen spindle
and intel is having lower margins
cursive summit
Wish that 7000 series had a landslide victory over Raptor but it's not to be just yet
Maybe in another year prices will go down on next gen components
ashen spindle
disagree, its a decent option so people can use am5 and beta test if the platform works till I need to upgrade
astral haven
Not even, b650 is the platform you are gonna use and it's very significantly different from x670e
astral haven
Holy shit that's a disaster
astral haven
Cheapest am5 board is actually 170
I didn't realize that the boards were out
I thought we were still waiting on cheap boards
cursive summit
I mean, 170 isn't that much to ask for a good quality board
Assuming they are all good quality boards
astral haven
But it's not a good quality board
ashen spindle
its 50 above what they said the boards will start at
astral haven
And that
The bigger problem is the min cost is still screwed up by the whole needing to use ddr5 situation
astral haven
Literally not
13700k + ddr4 is still faster in game than 7900x
And a 13700k + motherboard is cheaper than a 7900x alone
ashen spindle
doesnt it with ddr4 still lose to the 5800x3d most cases
astral haven
7000 so far is hot trash
That's why I said
Not amd is hot trash
Am4 is good, am5 is garbo so far
ashen spindle
it definitely is awkward that its a new socket (and it needed to be one) vs intel currently in the mixed ddr4/5 option
and socket longevity is not important to many
but they also had to transition to ddr5 and lga
sharp badger
Yeah
astral haven
but they also had to transition to ddr5 and lga
They only needed to go lga
They could have kept ddr4
Or ya know do a dual generation?
ashen spindle
no because then they would have needed a entirely different IO die with ddr4 memory controller, zen5 most definitely only will be ddr5 so that would have made issues with boards
sharp badger
I had an i7-5820K ran it with DDR4 OC:d and upgraded to an i7-12700K with DDR5 now
ashen spindle
you mean make it still work on AM4?
astral haven
you mean make it still work on AM4?
Or make the iodie support ddr4
ashen spindle
then you have a separate IO die they cant reuse that ads cost and complexity etc.
astral haven
then you have a separate IO die they cant reuse that ads cost and complexity etc...
No
ashen spindle
but lets say it would support ddr4
astral haven
Current iodie, dual ram support
ashen spindle
would you then want to see am5 boards with ddr4 support, that only support zen4?
since zen5 wont be using ddr4
astral haven
Why not?
ashen spindle
isn't the current io die once again reused for epyc or chipsets? would that work if we add a ddr4 controller?
astral haven
Nope and nope
Small iodie is only used for consumer and business
No server use
And the chipset is designed by asus
ashen spindle
and promontory is not a reused io die this time?
astral haven
Promontory means it's asus
wheat plume
...ok, this is freaking neat https://youtu.be/f5YWXrZdNpA
ashen spindle
would the ddr4 controller still fit on the io die without increasing its size?
wheat plume
ranges the target, calculates drop and puts an overlay on your optic to show you where to aim
ashen spindle
how do we know that
astral haven
Because Intel has done it
And their ddr5 controller is better so it wouldn't be a performance problem
ashen spindle
no I mean I know its possible to add it, but could that die add it without becoming bigger
cursive summit
...ok, this is freaking neat https://youtu.be/f5YWXrZdNpA
Would fit #🐸│memes more
Nobody cares
shadow minnow
no I mean I know its possible to add it, but could that die add it without becom...
Unlikely at best
shadow minnow
Nobody cares
Mean
astral haven
no I mean I know its possible to add it, but could that die add it without becom...
Intels controller is fewer transistors
So yes it's fully possible
ashen spindle
idk I think the fact you would have a new socket and you could only use that for one generation with ddr4 then would make it really awkward to market
I think it would obviously be better right now for performance/$ but in hindsight I dont know if it would be better
astral haven
So they just need to support ddr4 for their CPUs for 2 years
Big woop
shadow minnow
Move memory controller to the motherboard
As it was in the old good times
Issue solved
Now motherboards can support ddr2 if they want
cursive summit
Why
ashen spindle
and given that the IF clocks are now more decoupled from RAM speeds, is that just a general improvement or does that come from making use of DDR5?
shadow minnow
Genuinely though, moving part of the memory controller to the board imo wouldn’t be such a bad idea, if it could communicate with cpu no matter the type of ram it has.
astral haven
and given that the IF clocks are now more decoupled from RAM speeds, is that jus...
General improvement obviously
Ddr5 just forced them to do that
ashen spindle
Genuinely though, moving part of the memory controller to the board imo wouldn’t...
it would likely kill every cpu because your latency would make it trash
cursive summit
Genuinely though, moving part of the memory controller to the board imo wouldn’t...
Typically you'd want to cram more things into the CPU just for speed reasons
shadow minnow
Then become apple
ashen spindle
even speed of electrons is not infinite
shadow minnow
Move ram to the cpu
astral haven
Typically you'd want to cram more things into the CPU just for speed reasons <:d...
Which is the opposite of chiplet
cursive summit
Move ram to the cpu <:dogekek:846285268289323069>
Unironically going to happen
shadow minnow
Well we already have ram on cpu kinda
cursive summit
I see the future of systems on a chip a big reality
astral haven
Well we already have ram on cpu kinda <:dogekek:846285268289323069>
Sapphire rapids has hbm on board
cursive summit
Instead of buying parts you just purchase an entire AMD branded system
More margins for AMD
shadow minnow
Sapphire rapids has hbm on board
But also l1 l2 and l3 cache
(I know it’s not actually ram)
ashen spindle
look at CDNA3, that's basically everything on cpu, its like a datacenter APU
or I guess mi300, cdna3 is one part of it
ashen spindle
why
cursive summit
Why not
ashen spindle
because for gaming its worse?
cursive summit
I like the sound of AMD making a fully ready system that you can power up and use, no need to handpick RAM, coolers, motherboards, SSDs, etc
ashen spindle
so a steamdeck in 2 generations
cursive summit
I don't doubt that will be the direction they might be heading to
I'm thinking something like current embedded systems
ashen spindle
you want an apu that has everything on it
cursive summit
Basically
cursive summit
One can hope that will be something we head for
fierce aspen
is a ddr4 pc better than a ddr5 laptop
ashen spindle
depends
cursive summit
PC is better than laptop
ashen spindle
ram is but one component
cursive summit
GPU and CPU matter a lot
ashen spindle
could be an amazing laptop and a shit pc, you need to know the other parts
ashen spindle
pc is better in this case
fierce aspen
howver, the pc has aio cooling
cursive summit
howver, the pc has aio cooling
That's just another positive towards PC being better
ashen spindle
while the gpu for example has the same name, laptop parts are using less pwerdraw so its worse than its pc counterpart in name
fierce aspen
cause im planning on the xmg oasis thing
cursive summit
Unless it's a cheap ass AIO
cursive summit
What on earth
ashen spindle
do you need the laptop as a laptop to carry around?
it first matters what you need it for, moving it around or would it stay in one place
fierce aspen
it first matters what you need it for, moving it around or would it stay in one ...
i mean
maybe i need to move around with it
astral haven
You'll get better performance with an external GPU vs the laptop watercooled
fierce aspen
idk
astral haven
You'll get better performance with an external GPU vs the laptop watercooled
And it'll give you more laptop options
ashen spindle
if you dont plan on making use of the laptop by using it to travel etc. the pc will be the better option
if you want both you could do as suggested, get a cheaper pc and laptop but with external gpu, so if you travel and want to game while on the way, that would be a midway
astral haven
Well the point of egpu is no PC needed
ashen spindle
was thinking of better cpu on the desktop
cursive summit
Why not get a powerful NUC and pair it with a portable 13-14" 240hz display
Still carryable
astral haven
Cheaper than laptop + PC if you need significant amounts of storage
cursive summit
eGPU isn't expensive though
Literally same cost as that watercooling laptop kit
Just needs a spare GPU
ashen spindle
external chassis does add cost, its not just putting the gpu outside on the desk lel
astral haven
Correctamundo
cursive summit
Problems with egpus?
astral haven
Delay isn't a problem
cursive summit
Don't remember hearing them having many problems
fierce aspen
i kinda wonder something
cursive summit
You are just limited to 2-4 lanes of PCIe 3
Speed falls quite a bit cause of that
fierce aspen
can the logo of the idcooling zoomflow be removed
cursive summit
Of what
fierce aspen
an aio
astral haven
Ignore the aio
fierce aspen
i wanna remove the id cooling logo off the aio
astral haven
You don't want to deal with water if at all possible
cursive summit
Only AIO that is worth bothering is Arctic Freezer II or NZXT Kraken 73 if you are more hip
astral haven
If you need the laptop, get a laptop with thunderbolt or USB 4 that is as cheap as possible
Should be 1k us equiv
fierce aspen
Only AIO that is worth bothering is Arctic Freezer II or NZXT Kraken 73 if you a...
considering getting the liquid freezer ii 360
astral haven
Just get a cheap air cooler, aio is not helpful for most modern CPUs in games
fierce aspen
but theres no rgb on pump
fierce aspen
Just get a cheap air cooler, aio is not helpful for most modern CPUs in games
its bothersome to clear
clean
astral haven
Aio is more bothersome to clean lmao
fierce aspen
Aio is more bothersome to clean lmao
i mean
aio just need to remove the thing and wash
the radiatio
fierce aspen
radiaot
cursive summit
No PC
crisp granite
but theres no rgb on pump
no need for RGB
it sucks
cursive summit
fierce aspen
but air colling need remove the heat sink and all that nonsense
ashen spindle
no you dont need to remove the heat sink to clean it
unless you like idk, spray it with dust yourself
air coolers are a lot less work to maintain than water
fierce aspen
no you dont need to remove the heat sink to clean it
u have a point
tho aios do look neater
astral haven
Not if you get a solid side panel
fierce aspen
and not to mention air coolers have height limitation
in addition, good air coolers like the noctua ones are vv expensive
ashen spindle
water cooler cost more usually
height limitation sure, if you get a tiny case, but the AIO also needs to put the radiator somewhere
fierce aspen
but noctuas are far more expensiver
astral haven
Noctuas also aren't the best any more either performance or value wise
ashen spindle
and even then noctuas are usually not more xpensive
even if you overclock, an aircooler would be enough especially if you do gaming and not 3d work on it or so
fierce aspen
3000 in my currency only can get me a i7 1200kf with an rtx 3070ti
astral haven
And right now, the best CPU to get generally is the 5800x3d which doesn't allow overclocking core just memory
astral haven
3000 in my currency only can get me a i7 1200kf with an rtx 3070ti
Ok so you need to tell us what currency
ashen spindle
yes we cant magically know what your currency is lol
crisp granite
3000 in my currency only can get me a i7 1200kf with an rtx 3070ti
tell us what your currency is ffs
otherwise we'll assume euro, like normal peeps
astral haven
Or USD which ATM is the same lel
final flame
imagine thinking exposing your countrys currency will dox you
crisp granite
^^
crisp granite
I mean
I use CAD as my currency where I live
fierce aspen
fierce aspen
what almost 3000 dollars can get me
fierce aspen
yea
crisp granite
WHAT KIND OF FUCKING DOLLARS ARE YOU USING
fierce aspen
ik
crisp granite
CAD ain't even that bad
ashen spindle
That's like 1700$
yes hes clearly at this point not talking about USD
final flame
bruh
fierce aspen
its vv clear
crisp granite
not at all
fierce aspen
bout somewhere there
final flame
^
cursive summit
I think I found it
ashen spindle
you know without knowing the country we cant suggest a build since the local prices might be different than just the conversion rate prices
crisp granite
or perhaps an estonian
cursive summit
Tf do you even use in Finland, did you move from marks?
crisp granite
one of the ones who unironically think estonia is nordic
fickle ore
Tf do you even use in Finland, did you move from marks?
federal euro
cursive summit
or perhaps an estonian
Us baltic people only use euro
You should know that as a person with baltic roots
Keep up with your heritage, alien
cursive summit
I see 6900XT, I like
Why a KF processor though, doesn't Intel disable OC on non-Z motherboards?
Isn't there just an F processor
Oh that's the new Raptor lake
So I guess Intel might release Raptor Lake non-K F parts a bit later
cursive summit
I don't see any point going for Raptor lake if you are not going to use DDR5
At this point save some cash and go 12700F
ashen spindle
what does that have to do with amd gpu
crisp granite
even when I'm trying to bash it in with too much shit at once
cursive summit
Or do a better choice and get a superior 5800X3D and a B550 mobo
All GPUs need good CPUs to run well
ashen spindle
what, sources on that please
dont care about that part
I meant sources for amd gpu somehow needing a better cpu
cursive summit
I think they just generalized CPU bottleneck
ashen spindle
especially why it needs two more cores, how do more cores relate to that
fierce aspen
Planning on a z690
ashen spindle
it's a valid suggestion he makes
ashen spindle
Planning on a z690
but also yes, why do you think you need a z690 board?