lol
#🔌│tech
astral haven
looks fine to me
shadow minnow
Design used to be better in past
astral haven
the?
vagrant pagoda
there are 2 onboard m.2
and 2 on the dimm.2 thing
if you use the second onbaord one
the gpu is a x8
and the second x16 is at x4
astral haven
yes
vagrant pagoda
why in the hell would you tie a m.2 to gpu lanes
when they also include with the board a damn dual m.2 x8 card
vagrant pagoda
yeah and what gpu runs 5.0
astral haven
m.2
astral haven
and?
vagrant pagoda
that actually matters a bit lol
astral haven
if you dont need x16, its fine
vagrant pagoda
but why not make the onboard slot off chipset
astral haven
bandwidth
vagrant pagoda
and just make it a x8 aic
and the 5.0 are all over
two on the board
one on the dimm.2
and one on a single m.2 aic
why not make both the onboard ones 5.0 dedicated
then make either a x8 aic
and the dimm.2 dual 4.0
then logically you would use the 2 on board first
astral haven
maximizes options for where you can put a 5.0
vagrant pagoda
throwing an upgrade in it is ez pz
if you can afford to spring for a thousand dollar board, you can afford to fill the 2 mobo slots on build with 5.0
then later add the aic or dimm.2
astral haven
if you can afford to spring for a thousand dollar board, you can afford to fill ...
ah but what if you want to wait for good 5.0 drives to come out first
vagrant pagoda
then slap them in the aic
astral haven
what if you want that pcie for something else
vagrant pagoda
there is only x8 5.0 off the cpu for m.2 on the board
so the other 2 5.0 are already taking from gpu lanes
so you dont get more lanes for something else lol
the dimm.2 dosent add lanes
it makes the harder to use
astral haven
i mean the physical slot
vagrant pagoda
the slot is only x4
wheat plume
On a battery bank without a screen, how would you know when it needs to be recharged?
astral haven
On a battery bank without a screen, how would you know when it needs to be recha...
when your devices stop charging
vagrant pagoda
and remove the 5.0 slot from the dimm.2
the dimm.2 having 5.0 is removing lanes from aic
vagrant pagoda
the onboard m.2 is shared with slot 2
astral haven
pcie x12 is not compliant in the slightest
vagrant pagoda
so youd have to leave one of the onboard m.2 slots empty
and use the dimm.2
to get the second slot at x8
astral haven
yes?
vagrant pagoda
they should of dropped one of the m.2 to 4.0 and kept full x8 for second slot
like everyone else
msi meg has x8,x8,x4 with a single 5.0 m.2 and 3 4.0's
with no sharing
astral haven
they dont have enough lanes
they probably used up the lanes on usb4 and 10g
and other stuff
astral haven
3 m.2
no pcie that doesnt sap gpu lanes
vagrant pagoda
3 m.2
no pcie that doesnt sap gpu lanes
?
the extreme only has 2 5.0 m.2 withouth gpu lanes
astral haven
does kp have 4?
vagrant pagoda
which is what all boards have
gusty kiln
are mobo manufacturers still playing with reverse ports mobo? I know gigabyte made a 1-off eearlier
vagrant pagoda
are mobo manufacturers still playing with reverse ports mobo? I know gigabyte ma...
reverse ports?
astral haven
which is what all boards have
other boards have an extra x4 pcie slot
gusty kiln
vagrant pagoda
what board has 2 5.0s and a 5.0 x4?
wheat plume
cableless, how??
vagrant pagoda
cableless, how??
its lieing
gusty kiln
ports are soldered reversed on the pcb
vagrant pagoda
they are all just behind the board
gusty kiln
also reverse
gusty kiln
has to be a separate sku
gusty kiln
my PCs have been very utilitarian in looks. Maybe next build I'll actually make it look instagram-able
vagrant pagoda
my PCs have been very utilitarian in looks. Maybe next build I'll actually make ...
mine is black on black
gusty kiln
mine is black with white led fans
gusty kiln
but plenty of cables are visible
astral haven
what board has 2 5.0s and a 5.0 x4?
my bad, i thought that x670e supported 5.0 off the chipset
astral haven
yea but i thought you could run an x4 5.0 m.2 from the chipset
vagrant pagoda
nope x570e chipset is only 4.0
astral haven
ya
vagrant pagoda
is x670e even a 5.0 chipset?
astral haven
🤷 hope so
ashen spindle
"The remaining four PCIe lanes are used for connecting to the chipset. Just to clarify, on the processor side these do support PCI-Express 5.0, the chipset only supports PCIe 4.0, so the link negotiation mechanism will downgrade the link to Gen 4."
astral haven
well craperino
ashen spindle
gotta save something to make zen5 generation boards something to buy for some reason
astral haven
fkn asus
ashen spindle
well, half joking, needs to be the same connection for all boards and I doubt most people would like the cost increase that might bring for almost no benefit for most customers
unless you are some of the few people who have legit usecases heh
vagrant pagoda
and forward compatible cpus
not a bad idea
tobe fair
id would of rather 5.0 chipset than dual 5.0 x4s
astral haven
many people did
vagrant pagoda
i know that
astral haven
amd got very good at hiding the issues lel
vagrant pagoda
but its useable now lol
astral haven
unless you want to run fast things through it
astral haven
20gbps is under the limit
astral haven
yes but 20gbps is under the limit
i only run into issues when alot of data is moving over the chipset
vagrant pagoda
tb is 40g
astral haven
40g <64g
astral haven
and its limited to 32g over pcie thanks to pcie3
the rest of the bw is displays only
astral haven
[citation needed]
astral haven
are they really making dual chip tb4 aics?
shadow minnow
They have like 3 different tb controllers if not more now
vagrant pagoda
io specs is over the tb link
shadow minnow
I think some of them are dual some not
astral haven
https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/193684/intel-jhl8540-thunderbolt-4-controller.html
the other tb4 maple ridge controller is x4 3.0 too
astral haven
I think some of them are dual some not
most of the controllers are dual port
but the controllers themselves can only pass 3.0x4 per chip
shadow minnow
Yeah
I wonder how is it with apple controllers
Since they use their custom ones now I think.
Or well integrated
astral haven
last i checked they are the same as the intel integrated ones
full bw per port all simultaneously
astral haven
thats the downlink
yes
the downlink to the chipset
astral haven
its really sad but the point of those tb aics is for storage bw or audio latency
vagrant pagoda
yeah
all the asmedia usb4 boards disapperaed
so idk
maybe they are waiting for a 5.0 chipset
as a true dualport usb4 could saturate the chipset link?
astral haven
apparently so
but that shouldnt be a reason to not put it on
they put 3x 4.0 m.2 each of which saturates the link
astral haven
any datasheets?
vagrant pagoda
run a ram check
junior ore
@latent mural is it crashing in POSt or at windows?
what type of crash?
but does it get past POST?
are you able ot enter BIOS screen?
what frequency are your sticks?
are you using an AMD CPU?
check in the motherboard's settings if it's trying to overclock the RAM sticks or not.
astral haven
and you sure its not windows borked?
junior ore
I kept having windows and bluescreen and other RAM issues cause it turned out by default my motherbaord was trying to automatically overclock my RAM which made it all fuckywucky.
so you checked for that?
astral haven
this verifies thats not the problem
junior ore
aye
depending on how the stick dies, it shouldn't really be able to get to the windows boot. your computer would be making angry noises at POST.
astral haven
thats uh not what that would mean to me but idk
junior ore
aye I would keep testing.
I sure as hell wouldn't easily give up on a stick of RAM
@latent mural did you test the DIMM slot too or just removed the stick?
reef patrol
Not even going to bother watching it - Linus is invested in YT's POV since he provides a competitor. Also YT is about 5 years or more late to this given the years of promises with 4K televisions bundled with chromecasts and shit.
wheat plume
Hes also pushing people to buy the Pixel Watch despite it lasting 17 hours at most
frozen ingot
smartwatches in general are ironically pretty dumb
astral haven
Not even going to bother watching it - Linus is invested in YT's POV since he pr...
before watching it im gonna guess the take is actually
"i dont want the platform to crumble under 10+ ads before videos"
reef patrol
Hes also pushing people to buy the Pixel Watch despite it lasting 17 hours at mo...
Do you sleep less than 6 hours a day?
frozen ingot
who wants a watch you have to charge every day
reef patrol
before watching it im gonna guess the take is actually
"i dont want the platform...
Ah yes - Ads. I've heard of those.
astral haven
Do you sleep less than 6 hours a day?
cant sleep track then
reef patrol
cant sleep track then
Who sleeps with a watch on.
wheat plume
Do you sleep less than 6 hours a day?
no, but it doesnt enough battery life left at night to do sleep tracking after using it all day
astral haven
Who sleeps with a watch on.
me?
wheat plume
me when I had mine
reef patrol
smh
wheat plume
its neat to see what stages of sleep I spent time in
astral haven
hadnt fully transferred to my phone yet oops
actually wait wtf is that
yea something messed up hardcore there
This is right
yea its rather infrequent for me these days
halcyon moss
sleep trackers are notoriously bad at.. tracking sleep
astral haven
lower activity states
less movement and hr
misty saffron
i love how awake is under total sleep
3 categories would’ve looked bad in that grid so they added a seemingly dick useless one
astral haven
Not really
"Awake" is actually just tossing and turning (not resting well)
and im p sure it doesnt count towards the total
would be kinda screwy if it did
sharp badger
My garmin watch is so-so with sleep compared to another band i had
sharp badger
Garmin Venu 2 last a week for me
vagrant pagoda
gw4c is better in like every way
astral haven
yea its real screwey
shadow minnow
Quite accurate for me
misty saffron
do the developers know what a chart is?
astral haven
it conveys 2 separate peices of information
misty saffron
terrible design either way
ashen spindle
do the developers know what a chart is?
astral haven
the pw is 10nm?
yea its a 2018 exynos chipset...
sharp badger
My Garmin thinks that i sleep when i lay in bed and watch youtube/instagram & such sometimes in the mornings
astral haven
My Garmin thinks that i sleep when i lay in bed and watch youtube/instagram & su...
yea i see that sometimes
pale sigil
vagrant pagoda
how did google fuck up that bad lol
astral haven
and more battery
i have a forerunner 935 that has 2 weeks of battery lel
vagrant pagoda
i get like 20+ hours of life
vagrant pagoda
i have a forerunner 935 that has 2 weeks of battery lel
yeah it dose half of what wearos dose
sharp badger
yea i see that sometimes
But can be fixed if one turns it of manually
astral haven
But can be fixed if one turns it of manually
wdym?
sharp badger
Sleep tracking
pale sigil
vagrant pagoda
i have a forerunner 935 that has 2 weeks of battery lel
i use a descent for work
pale sigil
I sorted my battery life issues I think haha
vagrant pagoda
garmin is way less techy
sharp badger
garmin is way less techy
Yeah but i don't need a lot
Want offline music & tracking that's it
sharp badger
So Garmin works for me
astral haven
music control, texting, caller id, notifications, alarms
what more do you want?
vagrant pagoda
i use mine to send texts, google shit, and even watch video
astral haven
wearos cant last a week without charging
pale sigil
True
astral haven
especially with 24/7 always on display
astral haven
but then its not hr tracking
vagrant pagoda
but then its not hr tracking
i charge mine when i shower
until i goto sleep
never an issue with battery life
astral haven
But Apple watches are very good
not good enough to get an iphone lel
sharp badger
not good enough to get an iphone lel
Yep lol 😆
pale sigil
But charging your watch so much is bleh
vagrant pagoda
But charging your watch so much is bleh
its not that bad
lol
and worst case you can turn on longer battery mode
lol
sharp badger
Most watches charge quite fast
vagrant pagoda
also my garmin actually only gets like ~20 hours in actual use
astral haven
i charge mine when i shower
my watch is actually waterproof rated lel
vagrant pagoda
my watch is actually waterproof rated lel
mine is two
sharp badger
also my garmin actually only gets like ~20 hours in actual use
Where can one see actual use?
vagrant pagoda
GW are 5 atm
pale sigil
I mean come on XD, it was obvious he was saying during downtime in the shower he charges it.
You don't exactly use a smart watch in the shower so you may as well wack it on charge.
astral haven
I mean come on XD, it was obvious he was saying during downtime in the shower he...
yea
but the point is i dont need to do that lel
pale sigil
No one does
astral haven
ive used it to skip music tracks in the shower
vagrant pagoda
gw have no issue with swiming
pale sigil
Oh
vagrant pagoda
even saltwater
pale sigil
I just use Alexa
vagrant pagoda
all day
astral haven
sure
vagrant pagoda
I just use Alexa
same but google lol
pale sigil
I've always used my ipad or Alexa when showering
astral haven
but its not actually rated for it
pale sigil
Man I can't stand google assist
vagrant pagoda
samsung rates GW for 5 ATM
vagrant pagoda
its on the watch
pale sigil
I wish I could use Alexa in my watch like fitbit
vagrant pagoda
they advertise it
pale sigil
There's a way but it's shit
astral haven
atm isnt a depth of water rating
pale sigil
I love this watch but I also hate charging it XD
vagrant pagoda
what rolex is only rated that shallow?
pale sigil
Oh and fuck you Samsung making me mod my watch apps and phone to use shit
astral haven
🤷 an old one?
vagrant pagoda
they had the first dive watch in the 50s at 100m
dont think they ever rated them less?
astral haven
my granpas watch isnt a dive watch
its one of the fancy
my previous watch was a $50 timex and it was rated for 100m tho
either way its actually rated for water down to that depth
vagrant pagoda
my submarinare says 50atm on the back
as its better than depth
because you can easily excced depth rateings with pressure spikes
i think my garmin is actually the only dive watch i have that only gives meters
astral haven
🤷 atm ratings generally mean its either really bad or really good
pale sigil
Also not a fan of smart watches behind round tbh
vagrant pagoda
anyway
the gw 1/3 and the 5 active are all 5 atm
the 4 and 5 normal are only 50m rated
astral haven
Yo they got an actual depth rating?
ashen spindle
dont think cosmic ray broke your stick, they usually just casue a bitlfip not permanent damage
vagrant pagoda
Yo they got an actual depth rating?
the only "actual rating" is ISO 6425
which dosent say how the rating should be expressed
so atm is as good as m/ft
astral haven
Yea but I thought they only hit ip68 rating
sharp badger
Bruh the Zotac 4090 AMP Extreme Airo is priced at 2800€ 🤑
astral haven
idk
the whole having speaker and microphone holes seems kinda yikes
sharp badger
They've got 2 in stock
astral haven
wait for a few more weeks
ashen spindle
sounds like one store overcharging for that model
astral haven
sounds like one store overcharging for that model
this
pale sigil
Just don't get a 4090? :P
ashen spindle
that model was listed for that yesterday in another store
sharp badger
Yeah i don't need a GPU but always interested in prices 🤓
Has anyone got a DeepCool AK620 though?
Currently running a 12700K with a EK 280mm AIO and was wondering what temp. people have got
astral haven
i can tell you right now its not an upgrade
sharp badger
i can tell you right now its not an upgrade
Ok 🙂 👍
sharp badger
Yeah i don't need a GPU but always interested in prices 🤓
But if the price would be right then i'd maybe buy one 🤔
vagrant pagoda
idk
the whole having speaker and microphone holes seems kinda yikes
its a single sealed unit
astral haven
maybe thats what dropped their rating a tier?
vagrant pagoda
the 5atm ones have mic and speaker lol
astral haven
but ip68 not 69
they arent laundry machine safe basically lel
vagrant pagoda
but ip68 not 69
they arent laundry machine safe basically lel
the issue with x9 most of the time is heat
astral haven
🤷 very little with touchscreens get that rating
someone should do steam controller style speakers lel
where the vibration motor doubles as a speaker
And I would actually be ok with a dual screen smartwatch but God damn why is battery such a problem on all of them
sharp badger
And I would actually be ok with a dual screen smartwatch but God damn why is bat...
Is the Mobvoi not quite good?
sharp badger
Yeah probably
And i think there was something about the IP rating on it
That it's only Pool-swimming suitable or something
astral haven
yea no depth rating
sharp badger
👍
crimson wigeon
Yeah you're not supposed to do that
wheat plume
I just wanna have plasma 5.26 dang it
crimson wigeon
Then install another distro or have patience forever
wheat plume
I missed wobbly windows
💜
Windows 11 is so boring compared to Linux
crimson wigeon
And/or consider rigging something up with distrobox or something similar
wheat plume
The Minecraft repo is so slow ;_;
Been waiting for Minecraft to download for 5 minutes and it's less than halfway
.
It's only 605mb
wheat plume
Wherever it gets the game from when you press play for the first time
That's a repo I'd assume
cursive summit
Or a server, or a CDN 
ashen spindle
vex do you know what repo means
cursive summit
Anyways the MC download is not that slow, the game's pretty small
wheat plume
It makes more sense for a repo since you can get any version of the game
Back to a certain point anyway
cursive summit
For me it's like 20 secs
cursive summit
vex do you know what repo means
Repository ofc
ashen spindle
yes so any form of server or CDN that stores it acts as a repo
cursive summit
Typically I only ever heard that term used when in regards to github
ashen spindle
look dont refer to articles from last year about something else and I got no issues 😛
yes repos are usually talked about in combination with versioning software like git, svn and such, but in the end its just a archive of the data
astral haven
thats generally a function of noise normalized perf with horrible pump noises or very loud fans
raw perf wise a 280 or 360 losing to air is very odd
ashen spindle
yeah please give me an aircooler that beats a arctic liquid freezer 360 
meager sphinx
is it even beneficial to get like a high end GPU if ur only gonna game at 1080p?
what do u guys think?
astral haven
is it even beneficial to get like a high end GPU if ur only gonna game at 1080p?
the high end gpu will still be faster and allow higher settings
ashen spindle
if you want high fps and are not cpu bottlenecked, or want to increase quality by donwsampling you can get benefits from a big gpu at any resolution
astral haven
it will benefit your performance
it will be a detriment to your wallet
its also cheapish
meager sphinx
1080p w 5800x3d, if theres a 3080 or 4080 in the machine, the FPS should be the same in most games right?
astral haven
no
gusty kiln
that IceGiant cooler come anywhere close to AIO cooling?
meager sphinx
lets say
ashen spindle
its also cheapish
yup, liquid freezer 360 is only like 10 euros more expensive than an NHD-15
gusty kiln
1080p all low, low player count and low draw distance, then yes
gusty kiln
BRs still give GPU trouble even at 1080p
gusty kiln
apex has a 300 fps cap anyway
meager sphinx
200 is smooth as heck
astral haven
if you are fine with performance then dont upgrade
gusty kiln
lol I'm doing 1440p 240hz apex with a 2080
astral haven
deffo getting 5800x3d tho
personally wouldnt tbh
13th gen is faaaast
pulsar canopy
Anyone got a 4090?
meager sphinx
what haha no
astral haven
lmao no thats a baaaaaad take
astral haven
Nah 5800x3d goated
nah 5775c goated
meager sphinx
5800X3D is fucking ages ahead
ashen spindle
please elaborate how its a scam lol
meager sphinx
ok calm down lets not gang up on him he is helpful as hecc
gusty kiln
X3d def not a scam, but 13th will be faster
astral haven
5800X3D is fucking ages ahead
well 13th gen is faster
gusty kiln
wait
pulsar canopy
Well ofc
meager sphinx
I mean its not a hot take saying next gen will be faster
yeah but ghz at these speeds dont even make that much diff
pulsar canopy
Just wait for the 7000x3d
astral haven
currently the x3d is cheaper
astral haven
and expensive boards
meager sphinx
they made way less of x3ds
astral haven
with cheaper boards and less ram dependance
gusty kiln
are you talking about 13700m or 12700?
meager sphinx
137 is hot gaaarb
gusty kiln
cuz no 13700 is below 420
meager sphinx
he is making the numbers up to have a leg to stand on KEKW
gusty kiln
13700k is 430 everywhere???
astral haven
137 is hot gaaarb
thats definetly a no
astral haven
its a fast cpu
early benches are good
but its expensiver than x3d
meager sphinx
because it performs better
ashen spindle
who cares about the hz number
meager sphinx
it makes unoptimized games literally playable
astral haven
just go and get a 9590 and run it at 8ghz
gusty kiln
bottom line are you already on AM4????
astral haven
bottom line are you already on AM4????
@meager sphinx important question here
if you are, the x3d is magnitudes cheaper
meager sphinx
I'm on AM4 currently yea
gusty kiln
no brainer
meager sphinx
right
astral haven
no brainer
agreed
gusty kiln
server yeah, but consumer is spciy atm
astral haven
cuz intel = hot doodoo
well no the 5800x3d is hotter
astral haven
the 5800x3d is the highest temperature cpu that currently is purchaseable with the same cooling
ashen spindle
its lower power but gets hotter because the 3d stacked silicon traps the temperature
ashen spindle
but temperature also doesnt mean anything
meager sphinx
f
ashen spindle
they run in spec so it doesnt matter
meager sphinx
read it and weep my brother
astral haven
thats power fam
gusty kiln
that's power
ashen spindle
power is not temperature
astral haven
the x3d is bad at yeeting heat
meager sphinx
omg what
gusty kiln
blame intel/amd/nnvidia for memeing with TDP
meager sphinx
power and temp goes hand in hand
gusty kiln
with fake equations
astral haven
power and temp goes hand in hand
unless you do janky shit like put an extra set of silicon in the way
meager sphinx
its an excellent indicator of how hot it is
astral haven
its an excellent indicator of how hot it is
no
meager sphinx
yesss
astral haven
its an indicator of how hard to cool it is
meager sphinx
? i mean
astral haven
not the actual temperature
meager sphinx
mental gymnastics my bro
ashen spindle
no thats basic thermodynamics
astral haven
mental gymnastics my bro
doesnt make what you said correct
gusty kiln
power = heat load, temperature depends on how efficient that heat load is transferred
astral haven
and the x3d is very bad at transferring heat out
thats why they disabled overclocking
until it hits tjmax absolutely
gusty kiln
but I have no issue running my X3d stock with a U14s
meager sphinx
beats it handily? less than 1% diff lol
astral haven
but it doesnt end up at a low temperature
gusty kiln
but it doesnt end up at a low temperature
that's ture, but I'm not bothered by the mid 40-50 it hovers
gusty kiln
wtf, when did they start selling dual tower with 6 heatpipes under 40?
meager sphinx
u love pulling shit from ur bootyhole
ashen spindle
great cpu benchmark 🤡
gusty kiln
meager sphinx
hahahah i lol'd so hard
ashen spindle
no?
astral haven
in blender rendering maybe
gusty kiln
so many blanket statement mang
ashen spindle
almost like productivity benchmarks are for that and not for gaming?
meager sphinx
yeah i love the mental gymnastics and blanket statements
more cores and higher ghz at this gen doesnt matter
astral haven
almost like productivity benchmarks are for that and not for gaming?
dis
and zenithain wasnt talking about x3d in productivity
meager sphinx
no sir
astral haven
more cores and higher ghz at this gen doesnt matter
well that is a blanket statement lel
meager sphinx
yeah but we aint streamers
no its super specific lol what do u mean blanket statement
ashen spindle
you were the one who linked a useless gaming benchmark??
astral haven
thats a great question, why did you bring it up 🤔
gusty kiln
should have added that at the end to avoid confusion
astral haven
theres nothing that performs better overall for less money
astral haven
no im agreeing with you
gusty kiln
no that's why we are here
meager sphinx
hahah waiting room
astral haven
there is stuff that is cheaper that is plenty good enough (especially if you are getting the unoverclockable 5800x3d)
meager sphinx
yeah i agree 100%, currently have 5700x, and i wont notice any difference in the games i put most hours in tbf
my brother
astral haven
gpu first lel
meager sphinx
what are you doing
gusty kiln
was it a 1060 3gb or 6gb?
ashen spindle
what did you post the image for then
meager sphinx
was it a 1060 3gb or 6gb?
6 gb
gusty kiln
you on 144 or 240hz?
gusty kiln
yeah I'd get a gpu first
astral haven
6 gb
either way you probably should upgrade gpu first
radeon and nvidia are coming out with new gpus soon
x3dish gpus on the radeon side
meager sphinx
which one do would u get? wait til 4070?
astral haven
wait till the card at the pricepoint you are looking at from both radeon and nv have released
i want a 4090ti but that will not be the best gpu for you lel
ashen spindle
in 2 weeks amd will have showed their cards then we know if prices move down or what is a decent choice for what
well, roughly, till reviews are out at least
meager sphinx
yeaah CES is coming up right?
astral haven
and im not so sure a 6900xt will lower in price
ashen spindle
nah the amd event is just nov3 on its own
meager sphinx
oh cool
ashen spindle
ces is january
meager sphinx
i read some rumor that they are pushing the release til dec
cuz they couldnt compete with Nvidia DLSS 3.0
ashen spindle
lmfao and you think a month later they make a dlss3 copy or what
this is the same cycle as on rdna2 release lmfao
meager sphinx
Im wondering what they will pull out of the hat
astral haven
nvidia has been working on dlss3 for at least 5 years afaik
ashen spindle
they will pull out cards that are equal in performance inlcuding RT or maybe slightly better and draw less power
at least thats my guess
astral haven
they will pull out cards that are equal in performance inlcuding RT or maybe sli...
im highly doubting they will be teeing up with the 4090 tho
probably 4080 and 4070
meager sphinx
ive been waiting since 2020 to buy a new card, when they released the 4000 i got pissed
ashen spindle
idk I have faith in papa wang to make nvidia get the 4090ti to keep the top spots
astral haven
i would be shocked if they didnt have the foresight to aim lower to get the gen early
ashen spindle
I mean, would be awkward since they failed to launch before lavalace
ashen spindle
papa wang haha
get ready he's coming
astral haven
I mean, would be awkward since they failed to launch before lavalace
I'd be shocked if they didn't have a massive cost advantage (not price)
ashen spindle
oh that is definitely going to be the case
astral haven
But I also don't think they can pull off a second rdna 1-2 jump
Lovelace is beeeeeeg
ashen spindle
welll, N5 is doing wonders for everything
astral haven
And I highly doubt that beeeeeg l3 will provide an improvement over big l3
We shall see tho
Half gig of l3?
Could be solid
ashen spindle
rdna4 will just come with a ram slot for you to put your l3 in
astral haven
there was only 1
i do think l5 would be interesting tho using ddr5 sodimms
or l4 for nvidia
cause i think ddr5 will go to 128gb usodimms right?
ashen spindle
yea
astral haven
"directstorage"ing the entire game lel
ashen spindle
revival of optane, as plug in cards for gpus
astral haven
im really sad that the nvme nvram cards used soldered on ram
astral haven
revival of optane, as plug in cards for gpus
sadly tho optane is 100% dead
factory sold and being recagiggered for TI
ashen spindle
ik, I also assume by that time cxl mem or something is more a thing or some other next gen stuff
ashen spindle
every future gpu will be volatile when it runs at nuclear fusion power
astral haven
👓 technically fusion isn't very volatile cause it's plasma not gas
ashen spindle
sure but show me a silicon die that will be stable at those temperatures lmfao
astral haven
i mean the whole point is to get the temp of the plasma down so that it doesnt break containment
there are plenty of sub room temp plasmas
ashen spindle
plasma yes, nuclear fusion plasmas?
astral haven
cold fusion is only sci fi for now lel
ashen spindle
yeah so putting a gpu in it will mean it'll get very hot 😛
astral haven
fine
but i dont think nvidia will ship their gpus with fusion reactors until its cold
vagrant pagoda
but i dont think nvidia will ship their gpus with fusion reactors until its cold
i mean
maybe
mild dome
I don't think it's possible to have cold fusion unless you get pressurize to an insane degree.
Which puts an image in my head of Nvidia announcing a GPU that needs to be under a diamond anvil press to function.
Anyway, this generation isn't AMD moving their GPU design to chiplets? In theory they could have a way more transistors at a smaller price thanks to higher yields on the chiplets, which might not beat DLSS 3.0, but might slap Nvidia with a price reduction (Please god let it happen). I imagine the hard part would be getting drivers to play nice with this new design, I mean the first chiplet CPU designs acted a bit funky for a while
ashen spindle
I mean the defect rate on the nodes is fucking insanely good so yield rate is almost not a factor anymore for costs
pale sigil
Ayyy the base ipad finally got the newer design
astral haven
I don't think it's possible to have cold fusion unless you get pressurize to an ...
That's why it's sci-fi for now
astral haven
I don't think it's possible to have cold fusion unless you get pressurize to an ...
And they are not chipleting yet
The cores are monolithic and you only get one compute die per gpu
What they are doing is basically x3d except it's not 3d, it's 2d
ashen spindle
its still a bit smaller than if it was not split up into GCD and MCDs though
astral haven
It's like super fancy hbm
ashen spindle
well, then again hard to say since that would be a very different uarch then too
astral haven
maybe
im curious how much is actually going on the mcds
the diagrams show the imc on the main die and 384mb of cache
This is basically the same as crystal well but better in every way besides capacity
Long live the 5775c
astral haven
Actually looking again I didn't realize they were doubling core count again
Hmm
This could actually be faster
(shaddup i can see its not actually double but its close)
mild dome
Could AMD be waiting for GDDR7? Samsung only just announced they were making some, but it seems like something worth waiting for
astral haven
highly unlikely if 384b is true
specially since they need to be moving into mass prod last month lel
Would be very neat tho
Someone basically needs to figure out how to actually do 3d sram like we have dram and nand
And by that I mean double digit layers
Not 2 or 8
Dram and nand are both sorta hitting 3 digits
shadow minnow
Why did no one tell me there was a new ipad
Is there?
empty wren
iPad 69
shadow minnow
You getting it? @pale sigil
I got a recommendation to a new iPad yt video but just overlooked it, not realizing there’s a new iPad
The new iPad seems like a nice deal
Cheaper iPad Air
astral haven
Aaaaaaaaand now all our cases are instantly landfill material
vagrant pagoda
Long live the 5775c
5775c was hot garbage
astral haven
Fastest gaming CPU in a number of games for 5? Years
astral haven
it was slower than amd apus
The GPU was hot trash
vagrant pagoda
they were slower than 4790ks
astral haven
That's actually not true lel
It's generally faster than the 8700k now
Like it wasn't the fastest when it was released, but with modern scheduling it's a acreamer
vagrant pagoda
It's generally faster than the 8700k now
astral haven
No idea wtf that benchmark is
But what it isn't is gaming
vagrant pagoda
find me a later bench then
astral haven
astral haven
🤷♂️ my 4870hq was screaming around doing alot better than it had any right to for ages
vagrant pagoda
because both of out samples shows its not the fastest
i went from a 4790k to a 5800x3d
talk about jump
pulsar canopy
Damn
astral haven
Except
You aren't showing actual perf in games
Just avg
Which at these fps has little meaning
astral haven
And also consider that the 5775c was a monster to oc since it was basically like infinity fabric 2 years early
You could get it to 2000 edram clock from the stock of 1600
And 2000 was like 1800 on ryzen
Except few boards actually allowed you to go higher
As in they intentionally disabled the l4 above a certain clock
steel dirge
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cursive summit
They really can't stop hyping themselves
120gbps connection though is kinda insane
Isn't that approaching PCIe speeds in a way
Which makes sense since doesn't Thunderbolt actually use PCIe lanes to run itself
reef patrol
It's their top of the line models. There's a reason why there's an EK-Classic line 😄
ashen spindle
you also dont want budget direct die unless you want to kill your cpu lmfao
not many people do it so its not cheap massproduction
reef patrol
Mhmm
ashen spindle
honestly, if you look at direct die, look at just using dry ice cooling permanently
budget ln2 setup and you dont need to refill it as fast
latent mural
off topic bbut how good is intel i3
ashen spindle
good bad horrible
i3 is just a segement so depends what product you mean and for what
latent mural
i have it in my laptop ;-; and i mean i can barely run anygames above 40fps
ashen spindle
no, i3 is just a part of the name, the product is the numbers after that
ashen spindle
yeah thats just a middle class laptop cpu, not great for gaming
latent mural
sadge
fair gull
in general i prob wouldnt use an i3 for gaming from any gen
the newer i5 procs are nice for gaming
like 11th and 12th gen
really like test gaming then in custom builds
latent mural
if this wasnt i gift i would have build a pc
solar hinge
if this wasnt i gift i would have build a pc
you know what they say, you shouldn't re-gift something that was given to you...
but no one said anything about selling 😄
solar hinge
well, then you have to see what you can do with it, when gaming, always make sure browsers and streaming programs are killed in taskmanager
latent mural
yes
vagrant pagoda
120gbps connection though is kinda insane
You know that just a pcie 5 x4 link right?
5.0 is 32gbps per link.
cursive summit
Makes sense
Though that's rather weird, didn't TB3 use PCIe 3x4 lanes, TB4 used only PCIE4x2
vagrant pagoda
They are just skipping 4.0
cursive summit
Now they are using PCIe5x4 again
TB4 was a weird interconnect
I liked that they put the TB controller directly on the CPU die though, that helped with latency
cursive summit
I think I remember them moving to 4.0 but x2
vagrant pagoda
3.0 could be single Lane on the tb link
Or 2 or 4
4.0 requires full 4 lanes
Those lanes to translate to pcie lanes
But tb3 and tb4 have the same max speed and link.
Though I don't think Intel made a x1 tb3 controller. Just the x2 one. The spec allowed it though
With tb4 you need a minimum of 3.0 x4 uplink.
ashen spindle
vagrant pagoda
Granted it can still be a dual port controller with a single uplink.
shadow minnow
Very different titles
latent mural
how much is the i9 13900k
ashen spindle
like 650 or so
latent mural
DOLLARS
ashen spindle
yes
latent mural
THATS MORE THAN MY SETUP
fair gull
ok
ashen spindle
its the same prices as last years 12900k...
fair gull
3 or 4 weeks ago i sold a 12900k system
latent mural
where is a cliff
latent mural
4090 go brrr
ashen spindle
you know you dont need the best most expensive cpu for gaming
latent mural
i play val on 120fps
fair gull
you know you dont need the best most expensive cpu for gaming
always need the most expensive
ashen spindle
yeah you dont need this cpu for 120fps lmfao
latent mural
gusty kiln
Crazy how both companies decided to redline the cpu thermally
ashen spindle
damn to think intel no longer has the crown for csgo
wheat plume
how much battery life would leaving a wireless mouse on overnight by accident + 3 hours before sleeping use up?
its a AAA battery
ashen spindle
almost nothing if its a good design that goes asleep without movement
gusty kiln
damn to think intel no longer has the crown for csgo
Is that consistent across multiple reviewers?
ashen spindle
HUB and GN so far yes
gusty kiln
Damn
ashen spindle
for productivity this graph is a killer though
gusty kiln
7950 edges out 13900k in productivity more than i thought it would
Thought intel would sweep
7700x is also the best valorant cpu
So amd basically locked down the tactical shooters
ashen spindle
god this is making me so excited for the 3d parts in a few months
astral haven
I've been surprised by how not advantageous the x3d is in csgo
ashen spindle
ew 720p
astral haven
Pros actually play at lower reses lel
ashen spindle
do we know how TPU gets at the numbers for csgo?
ashen spindle
its it a replay/custom map or something?
because their numbers look quite different from hub and gn so I assume its a different test
gusty kiln
The community benchmark is wack
cursive summit
Don't they use the Ulleticals game benchmark or something
astral haven
its it a replay/custom map or something?
Unfortunately neither of those provide realistic numbers
ashen spindle
yes I just want to see if they look at the same thing or not
oof I didn't expect intel to get that got during gaming too
bruh even the 420 arcic liquid freezer only took 20seconds to hit tjmax on it lmfao
now this might be something you want to get direct die for if you really want it lol
astral haven
It's extremely yikes yea
ashen spindle
like I thought amd will look bad since intel might not take as much power for gaming, if you dont go to allcore workloads
astral haven
Oh I see why
Avx offset is 0
ashen spindle
as it should be
not even avx512 as well
also lets play the fun game of spot the E cores
gusty kiln
also lets play the fun game of spot the E cores <:havo:975821613415157860>
This would be a dogshit monitor
astral haven
That would be the world's fastest monitor by a country mile lmao
ashen spindle
Not
It's based on power
No it's actually 0
isnt an avx offset of 0 for AVX256 a thing since rocket lake already?
astral haven
Rocket yea
But I thought alder throttled power when it was prudent?
gusty kiln
No ns label
ashen spindle
no that I remember, but I also dont really remember any AVX stuff about adl after they disabled 512 lmfao
did TPU not check this for adl?
gusty kiln
Still waiting to see how LTT spins and click bait this launch
ashen spindle
lmfao GN mentioning in the sponsor spot thanks for people paying since the electricity costs were higher this month
with 4090 and 13900k testing that checks out
but hey
cursive summit
Yo
8350 is dead now
This is a sad day in human history
The only reason why FX-8350 was any relevant to this day is gone
ashen spindle
man, this almost reached teh 3175x power draw lmfao
gusty kiln
cursive summit
What is 3175x?
ashen spindle
its only like 15 w off
gusty kiln
That one xeon that GN xoc that one time
gusty kiln
It was when intel was competitive at hedt
ashen spindle
remember the attempt top hide a chiller on stage
dear god now I remember why I have 0 faith in german outlets
check a site and they ONLY test in 720p
astral haven
What is 3175x?
28 Skylake cores with overclocking and ecc rdimm support
ashen spindle
and boards more expensive than some threadripper boards lmfao
cursive summit
Skylake?
That's pretty damn old
How much would that even be priced at back then
ashen spindle
like 3000
cursive summit
28 cores now is still great, back then it must have been top of the line
cursive summit
Wait
gusty kiln
It was top of the line, until the 3995wx
ashen spindle
at this point just google it
astral haven
How was it also 3175x?
It's a xeon workstation sku
It just happens to include overclocking
cursive summit
Oh right Xeons don't follow normal naming conventions
Only their consumer productivity ones do
astral haven
They do, they are just different
cursive summit
I was confusing it with the 9990XE thing
astral haven
It's basically double a 9990x but with ecc
astral haven
The only CPU to allow overclocking ecc memory and keeping ecc is the. 3175x
I knew someone running 192gb of 3800 flat 15 on all 6 channels with ecc enabled
With an error rate of about 2/ day
cursive summit
gusty kiln
😴
gusty kiln
Another preannouncement to the announcement
ashen spindle
I mean you kinda need to tell people what time its happening
gusty kiln
I guess that's new
ltt still haven't posted their video yet, weird for them to miss that initial burst
ashen spindle
power draw burned down labs
gusty kiln
I bet it killed markbench
cursive summit
Am I the only one who feels that the CPUs and GPUs are going to shit
ashen spindle
yes
cursive summit
Just cramming in power to get perf gains
ashen spindle
thats not what they are doing
cursive summit
Especially with current electricity prices I sure as hell am looking down on something like 13900K that succs power
astral haven
just set a power limit
ashen spindle
so limit it to 60w
cursive summit
At that point a Ryzen system is far more efficient
ashen spindle
it really depends on which game
astral haven
not by der8auers testing
gusty kiln
They are both efficient when not at full bore
ashen spindle
some games like pubg or battlefield the 60w 13900k is like top performer and only barely behind max power draw
gusty kiln
Battlefield
ashen spindle
you are getting more performance at the same power, they now just also scale with more power
astral haven
At that point a Ryzen system is far more efficient
remember ryzen has a 10w penalty that is being offset by the efficiency
but when you limit the power lower, that 10w of extra power starts to really hurt
ashen spindle
so if you dont want more power just limit it and you still have more performance
gusty kiln
IPC gains definitely feels underwhelming this gen
astral haven
🤷 you mean perf/clock
gusty kiln
Sure