it's just north of the USA
so yeah, most people forget we exist
#🔌│tech
astral haven
i tried that before and it didnt work
crisp granite
other countries...ship to estonia
crisp granite
may also want to check amazon of other countries
and...
honestly other euro shops
amazon ships everywhere
some sellers can choose not to
and not all items can ship to Estonia
same as other countries without an actual Amazon presence
astral haven
Its a joke
crisp granite
at that point the only real value of them is opening them up and using the fast rotation and rough surface to sharpen axes and other tools
vivid vine
Got lucky, Samsung sent me a replacement for my 970 Evo and they gave me a Plus
astral haven
What does happen is any data you haven't touched in about 4-8 years will start to get corrupted on qlc
It takes 10-30 years on hdd
no
ashen spindle
dont give in to big data
astral haven
the electrons just escape of the ssd
and the magnetism goes back to neutral on a hdd
use cds
vacuum sealed cds last hundreds of years if climate controlled
vivid vine
Put that shit on CD's then convert it to Cassette tapes
astral haven
no
thats how long it takes before the data vanishes on its own
yes a few hundred years after you die you wont be able to load gta
astral haven
1.2GB/s
but its also not 30tb its only 12tb
these days basically nothing compresses
yep but 1 machine can run a hundred or so tapes
there are tape libraries on ebay for very very cheap now that folks are going to lto9
by very cheap i mean $500 lel
ashen spindle
MF has some gpu deals going on for today if someone is loooking, 6800 for 530 as well
astral haven
the halo always costs more
vs the 3090 lel
except at 4k
(or higher)
or in hdr
or any of the higher shader complexity games
its techpowerups benchmark suite...
https://tpucdn.com/review/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4090-founders-edition/images/doom-eternal-3840-2160.png
https://tpucdn.com/review/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4090-founders-edition/images/average-fps_3840-2160.png
in tpus bench suite its daaaaaaamn close
also you should go ahead and try to guess what gpu caused them to switch psus (to a higher wattage) thanks to consistent crashing
ashen spindle
astral haven
also you should go ahead and try to guess what gpu caused them to switch psus (t...
it was the 6900xt btw
ashen spindle
very high is not max
astral haven
people who just want to have fun?
ashen spindle
if you play at 4k you already arent aiming to be esports pro so why not also have actual good quality to look at
astral haven
^
crisp granite
who tf actually spends the price of a shitbox or two on a PC and then lowers the graphics to literal potato levels you could get on a ten year old laptop?
frozen ingot
I play on as high settings as my computer can muster
astral haven
i increase my settings in cs until i drop below 240
basically everything but aa maxed
crisp granite
same, but all games, and 60fps
astral haven
well i have a 240hz monitor obviously lel
astral haven
60fps on 144
ew
crisp granite
but eh
astral haven
at least aim for 72
astral haven
fair
frozen ingot
playing on a 144hz too
crisp granite
a lot of games also just...
hit 144Hz anyway
wooo bought a bit too much GPU but I play with RT, so glad I did
astral haven
im at 4k tho so im pretty infrequently hitting 240
generally just leave stock settings tho cause it works
crisp granite
playing at 1080p
still
yes
no I'm not crazy
ok maybe a little
there just isn't a compelling reason for me to go past that yet
lol
"stuck with it"
yeah mate really taking one for the team doing that
more 4090s for the rest of us
frozen ingot
I play at 1440p on a 2060
crisp granite
cool bug fact
you don't need a quadruple digit framerate
you'll suck either way
frozen ingot
I haven't played pvp in years, I'd rather just enjoy gaming than looking at fugly visuals for better frames and enduring constant toxicity from sweatlords
astral haven
you got a reflex monitor?
frozen ingot
astral haven
photodiode?
fun
ya
i want a 2.1hd but they keep going up in price and I cant possibly justify
960 fps slow mo is fake
yap
unless the camera supports 7kfps too
the only real phone that supports about 1k fps is the huawei which advertises 7680 fps but in reality its 960
ashen spindle
https://twitter.com/opinali/status/1575821254203875328 a bit older but a nice thread, always fun to see someone be this direct about it
astral haven
interpolation 🤮
if you are allowing tearing, that would be your best case scenario
all likelyhood tho its gonna be lower (the difference)
in practice yea as well
tearing can get you way sub 1/hz latency render start to image on screen
1/hz
so yea you are
you are cutting over 1ms off your 1/hz time
you can thank reflex for that
wheres the extra 2 coming from?
yea but thats wrong if you allow tearing
and your fps is higher than hz
1000hz polling rate 1000 fps 240hz 0 buffers no lcd transitions
Minimum latency = 1ms
Maximum latency = 6ms
The average will not be halfway between the two
shadow minnow
Which equals to your 2.083 X 2 + 2
So the 2.083 + 1 is average
shadow minnow
Which equals to your 2.083 X 2 + 2
So the 2.083 + 1 is average
If it was halfway in between that is
shadow minnow
1000hz polling rate 1000 fps 240hz 0 buffers no lcd transitions
Minimum latency ...
What do you define as latency in this case?
Frame won’t be more than 1ms old when it appears but frames appear every 4.sth ms
If GPU generated 1000 frames
astral haven
What do you define as latency in this case?
USB packet to displayport packet
shadow minnow
Oh I see now
Would it really be 6.167 max too
But the frame won’t be more than 2ms old
That gets displayed
astral haven
That depends how you measure
shadow minnow
6.16 ms is the highest time difference there can be between two frames being rendered
2ms I think is the delay of rendered frame being displayed
You get 6.16 if previous frame was rendered 2ms before displaying
Now leds don’t switch instantly so it would not be exactly that but cables also aren’t instant, this is just in theory
Why would it be 3?
No worries 😄
fickle ore
why are the arrows the wrong way 😄
shadow minnow
That way yes
I thought the polling rate is polling rate of the monitor but that doesn’t matter
fickle ore
My OCD
Alting?
I am
Odd, no zk or lag
Why isn't the minimum 0.xx tho? Wondering
fickle ore
@latent mural Tho wouldn't it cut your SD down considerably if you only focused on say the top 10% most part of the screen with tearing on
No need to measure middle or bottom
Maybe that's what you're doing. Didn't read the full convo =p
Ah nice
What the hell is rapid IPS. god damn these terms
fickle ore
Save for the 240 hz LG oled 😄
TN/IPS?
Ahh. Hope it's cheap
Might be fun to test
Not bad upgrade, I'm coping on a 280 hz VG259QM
500 hz prob feels amazing, or idk, maybe u feel how laggy the crosshair is in games that won't get you near 500 fps
no idea
Well I guess most people have that now as well
Nice. OW2 is ranging 280-350 for me on a 1060. I'm pretty sure I'm gpu bneck'd
Yeah
Wait, I think you can go 600 fps cap now
O.o crazy
ur running everything on the gpu side ehhe
How much the new driver helped?
Yeah the latest one which reduced cpu overhead
they afaik rewrote the driver stack
or atleast some parts of it, according to le reddit
astral haven
because they are testing gpu not full system
to prove that its not fully cpu bound
you still havent provided a source that confirms this lel
trust me bro nvidia just released drivers that fix 4 way sli on the gtx 780ti
zero added latency, 100% perfect scaling with vram spanning
fastest cards on the market rn
nothing gets even close
prove it?
"how can i
nobody is testing it
(there are some but im on my phone now)"
astral haven
name 1
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/nvidia-geforce-522-25-driver-analysis/28.html
oh my god
someone actually finally tested it
seems that nvidia isnt gimping the old cards
fickle ore
Nice. 1080p receiving highest boost confirms it's cpu overhead reduction rather than gpu side optimization
Someone probably texted them
astral haven
Nice. 1080p receiving highest boost confirms it's cpu overhead reduction rather ...
not nescessarily
gpus have threading problems too
fickle ore
gpus have threading problems too
elaborate
astral haven
higher the res, the more time is spent rendering rather than sorting the threads
fickle ore
Uhh
astral haven
maxwell and later have an onboard arm cpu that does things
the newer stuff that arm cpu does more things
ashen spindle
after all latest ada feature was basically them saying they added OOS to gpus lel
ashen spindle
would that not happen before cuda cores get the info?
thats how I interpreted that
astral haven
yea it is before that
the ooe on ada is within a single warp
and the warps dont share hardware with other warps
define stock lel
ashen spindle
oh it reorders inside a warp? thought it meant it mixes waprs how it can best do them
gusty kiln
probably the first few seconds of a benchmark
ashen spindle
probalby durinh TVB
astral haven
oh it reorders inside a warp? thought it meant it mixes waprs how it can best do...
yea but like you cant get the other warp on your cuda core's data
crisp granite
not much of a competition
fickle ore
😄
Kidding ofcourse. Yeah I agree. Other than Amit and Bored hehe. Tho I wasn't very active in LAG to begin with.
ashen spindle
yeah but we have tons of fortnite kids that cant read so total is like -50 iq on server
crisp granite
yeah but we have tons of fortnite kids that cant read so total is like -50 iq on...
literally this
gusty kiln
wtf is lag
fickle ore
wtf is lag
a server with dirty electricity, bad wires and rusted ground rods
astral haven
yea but like you cant get the other warp on your cuda core's data
also i must append this statement
"according to the animation that nvidia showed"
cause they could very well have just made up something for their slides
fickle ore
Gonna see how much my 1060 3g improves on the 522.xx
Please make my 2 dot go away in OW
astral haven
2 dot?
fickle ore
one dot means framerate is simulation bound
two dots means GPU is saturated
three dots means the Render thread is limiting the framerate
fickle ore
There are dots after your displayed fps value
Yeah it's quite nice
Annoying that the added "high precision input" is a network solution rather than a more accurate input sampling method.
Been since launch of OW1 😄
ashen spindle
when it gets to 15 dots the game is finally fun 
fickle ore
It never gets fun 😄
ashen spindle
that was the point
fickle ore
Nvidia STILL not putting my gfx into MSI mode after installing. Easy gains there in future driver ver. Ig.
W11 default config, odd
astral haven
Nvidia STILL not putting my gfx into MSI mode after installing. Easy gains there...
ive been waiting forever for someone to actually test it on a bench
does it actually do anything measureable?
hardy rune
can someone please help me i am trying to download wooting but it says error
fickle ore
ive been waiting forever for someone to actually test it on a bench
does it actu...
I think there are some benches floating
ashen spindle
can someone please help me i am trying to download wooting but it says error
#1019722836778164244 go there
astral haven
I think there are some benches floating
yea but like if its someone that isnt a reviewer with published test methodology then whats the point...
fickle ore
yea but like if its someone that isnt a reviewer with published test methodology...
Yeah I guess. Muren has some benches
Idk if you know him
astral haven
I dont
fickle ore
astral haven
yea see this is the problem
fickle ore
yea see this is the problem
Win10 - 21H2 LTSC (19044.1288) vs Win11 - 22H2 (22621.105)
astral haven
there are plenty of tests by real reviewers that prove that the two are functionally identical
with published methodologies
fickle ore
there are plenty of tests by real reviewers that prove that the two are function...
Do they test for 0.1-1% lows?
I haven't looked
astral haven
no, but the fact that they provide a method to reproduce their results means that they are attempting to be auditable
i can make up numbers that look good to put on a graph
yep
which is why you need methodology
if you dont have that, theres no way to verify
🤷 its better documented than me or you
wow its almost like they know their users wont have that
except for techpowerup ofc that uses some 4000 bdie on 1:1 on ryzen
obv for gpu bench not cpu bench
fickle ore
Shit, not even qsxcv/flood/wtflood has MSI benched https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1cktehkalPAbJ5014jL-Vtg3YmGXmNTnAZy5CAQ-Zpkk/edit?pli=1#gid=47997926
rip
astral haven
yes but is it outside of error margins better?
cause its well within my error margins...
that means its not statistically significant
ashen spindle
uhhh
I'm not so sure you understand what margin of error is
yes I have my answer from that, correct
fickle ore
that means its not statistically significant
Well, depends "how" statistically significant. .05 alpha isn't always the "best" value for alpha. Sometimes lower alpha is better, e.g for nuclear reactors 🙂
How much importance you place on the "statistically significant" is important here I think
ashen spindle
it's less about how much it matters and how well your testing is. 1ms can be a difference, if your methodology can not accurate find 1ms differences, then the error margin means you found nothing
astral haven
If there's over a 25% chance of the results changing via run to run variance I say it's not statistically significant no matter what lel
fickle ore
it's less about how much it matters and how well your testing is. 1ms can be a d...
Yeah exactly, we have no reviewers who have less than 1 ms accuracy basically
But if you automate 10k sample runs you can be fairly certain, e.g flood's results
ashen spindle
idk depends on how those samples were made, with what tools and how accurate they are etc.
fickle ore
idk depends on how those samples were made, with what tools and how accurate the...
around 10µs according to him, but how can one verify 🙂
fickle ore
If there's over a 25% chance of the results changing via run to run variance I s...
I'm willing to accept a higher alpha for MSI mode being good for latency, merely because 1. turning MSI mode on is trivial and I want to believe in it. 2. Solid concept behind it and how it should work. 3. I'm not trying to prove anything, so being 100% correct with a lower alpha is not very important to me. If I'm 50% certain that's enough for me.
Yeah I agree. I want to believe I am less laggier than you. The only issue is if it's actually hurting perf, which I very much doubt.. Since nearly everyone (except NV) has moved to MSI mode on default. Tho I guess It could hurt if you're using NV gpu, never know
You'll need atleast 1k samples
If you're gonna convince folks 😄
Tho I'm not sure whether you'll EVER see it in the "average" value. Like on Muren's test he got like what less than 0.01 ms avg. diff? But you can see it in 0.1/1% lows.
ashen spindle
yeah at that values it's easy why they wouldn't change it: if it aint broke dont fix it
fickle ore
Yeah, it's not a big deal nowadays with modern PC's I guess
astral haven
heck memory retraining is more statistically significant than that lel
im waiting for 7000x3d
by then they should hopefully fix the iodie
fickle ore
No buy 13900k, I need my intel stonks go up
ashen spindle
14th gen could be fine or a mess, dont expect anything big from that
astral haven
im a single issue buyer tho
is it faster than my current setup?
and can it run an x16 4.0 card and x8 3.0 card at full bandwidth at the same time?
then i buy
fickle ore
I just saw news that AMD scaling back zen 4 production due to no demand, wtf is up with that. I guerss the mobos and ddr5 were too expensive in this economy
ashen spindle
servers will be happy to get more epyc chiplets heh
astral haven
I just saw news that AMD scaling back zen 4 production due to no demand, wtf is ...
its practically slower than am4 can be
fickle ore
its practically slower than am4 can be
tf lol
fickle ore
Cache go wrooom
ashen spindle
big cache big good
make game go fast
more cache = less talking to memory, memory slow
fickle ore
Make ur lobby based shooter fit into whole cache. No need to RAM it. I kid, I kid.. Maybe..
ashen spindle
my guess is for zen5 they will launch v cache with the main lineup and not delayed
then again zen5 on its own might also be a bigger gain so who knows, still a bit far out
yeah for intel probably
fickle ore
sheets?
ashen spindle
yeah but also 10nm used to sound promising and we know what happend there
fickle ore
yeah but also 10nm used to sound promising and we know what happend there
CHIPS ACT making sure its gonna ROCK
😄
ashen spindle
the issue is mtl is likely q4 23 which puts it really close to zen5
fickle ore
I think that relates to low nm reliability/failure
grave prairie
lol
astral haven
tantalum cobalt copper interconnects
fickle ore
Yeah it's got to do with electricity at low nm transistor sizes not killing them :
ashen spindle
one of the bigger things I see about MTL that make me worry is that intel is using their foveros stacking for that which is not out yet but has worse specs than what tsmc is using for a lot of products already
astral haven
what
since when is foveros not out yet?
ashen spindle
the revision they use for mtl, not the base they used since lakefield
astral haven
🤷 theyve had a full dev cycle to learn about it since lakefield release
ashen spindle
yeah but the specs they mentioned about it at last hotchips were iirc lower than what tsmc already does
ashen spindle
iirc its not about 3d stacking since mtl wont use it but they use it to put the tiles that mtl has on the substrate, it's been too long and too vague so I wont remember the details correctly this late, I just know people compared specs when that came out and it seemed worse
so that mtl seemed like not that big of a deal but arrow lake should be hype
might remember the comparisons tomorrow or find them again
astral haven
🤷 infinity fabric is alot worse than tsmcs substrate tech...
ashen spindle
sure but doesnt make it easier to beat it on a theoretical worse base line
astral haven
unless intel is talking about their practical testing...
ashen spindle
well the last thing they talked about was delays till the q4 23 date now lel
astral haven
im hype about the 34 p core chip tho
like what in the name of all that is holy was that
ashen spindle
Wait what
Oh that leaked wafer from intel days recently
Yeah that is some abomination
astral haven
oh sorry raptor lake
not mtl
a lower bin of that could very well meet my spec through just having pcie lanes
ashen spindle
I don’t think that would end up as desktop chip though unless they revive the hedt parts
astral haven
the die was marked as a client chip
ashen spindle
Yeah but it was marked as rpl-s when it seems to match the known info about SPR-mcc
astral haven
yes
but it was marked as being a 34 core rpl-s
ashen spindle
I mean I’m not sure if it physically fits on the socket lel that thing must’ve been some of the biggest chip size they ever made
astral haven
no like
regardless of the socket it runs, its designed to top off the stack of raptor lake
4677 or 4189 idgaf
but a threadripper competitor?
that gets me excited
ashen spindle
Wonder if it has has many issues as the spr chips where they had so many steppings already
astral haven
spr has alot tho
quick assist, matrix, pcie 5, and some absolutely monstrous ddr5 controllers
these are gonna be the first >quad rank ddr5 imcs
ashen spindle
Yeah but now something caused it to be so delayed from all the steppings it has to compete with Genoa instead of Rome lmfao
astral haven
yea
ashen spindle
But would be nice to see a team blue threadripper again
astral haven
im gonna give intel 2 years before I start whining about engineering errors
the 3175x is very long in the tooth
ashen spindle
Maybe we also get zen4c for hedt? Would be some good competition
astral haven
but pat hasnt seen the start of a product release yet
so far everything was already rolling when he was rehired
ashen spindle
Ya
But hey, if we see amd make zen6 on intel18 or so that would be sick and then pat madd the right call
astral haven
lel
as if
ashen spindle
Imagine though, zen6 6ghz allocore on intel 18a
astral haven
would be extremely fast
wouldnt be x3d tho :/
and intel sram aint dense (relatively speaking last i checked)
ashen spindle
who says they would have to use intel for the sram stacks
astral haven
doubt they could stack to begin with
tho thinking further if foveros improves...
was more thinking on die sram
ashen spindle
Make ccd on 18A, sram wherever and 3d stack with better emib or so
And with zen5 being a bigger redesign who knows how the ccds will look like there
astral haven
very true
ashen spindle
Certainly timing wise they could do some fancy stuff, will be fun to see if it’s a mix of intel and tsmc for both intel and amd lel
Amd certainly is considering it if only for capacity lol
astral haven
sadly none of this applies to me if i cant get off of am4 due to lack of people releasing boards with chipset x8 or plx/switchtec switches
Is it really too much to ask for a pro board on a consumer chipset these days?
shadow minnow
Apparently
astral haven
😭
shadow minnow
Reminds me of Intel limiting ECC on non “workstation” mobos
For basically no reason
On ddr5 where the CPUs support it
shadow minnow
I don’t think the CPUs fully supported ecc on ddr4
Now they do even on consumer chips
astral haven
far as i understand its an identical situation as before
except there are some i5 and i3 with ecc support instead of just i3 and e3
shadow minnow
Reminds me also that intel didn’t release an x299 replacement for a while.
I was getting into pc stuff arround that time, and right before rtx 20 series launch
astral haven
hunh?
shadow minnow
X299x
astral haven
🤨
you mean the exact same chipset but with motherboards that have ok power delivery?
shadow minnow
Yes
Aorus designare boards looked cool back then
And z390 aorus extreme
And 2080 waterforce wb
The design has gotten worse since then
Gigabyte had some good design people then probably fired them
Also the old aorus memory, first gen looked way better than current one, even if clocks were lower
The kit with two just RGB no capacity rams so your board doesn’t look empty
astral haven
meh
shadow minnow
Reminds me I may have to get more ram, having 2x8
But that would be worse for OC 
astral haven
giga never had any pro under the consumer brands
shadow minnow
Yes but gigabyte designare stuff always looked cool
astral haven
Yes
And didn't really have any pro features
Better rear io sure but I need pcie lanes
Any board that can't run a 40g nic is just disappointing in the pro line
shadow minnow
Well the x299x designare did have pcie lanes
For DDR4 pretty sure it at least used to be 2x8 b dies but may have changed since then
astral haven
Well the x299x designare did have pcie lanes <:dogekek:846285268289323069>
You aren't wrong but that's kinda a given
astral haven
For DDR4 pretty sure it at least used to be 2x8 b dies but may have changed sinc...
Yes, yes it has
8gb ddr5 is hot trash
2x8 4400 14 14 existed tho
And it was considered a mid bin lel
Well mid tier for a good bin of bdie
shadow minnow
8gb ddr5 is hot trash
Makes sense, since it’s well double I’d expect ddr5 sweetspot to be 16gb per module
astral haven
We shall see
I'm hype for 24gb sticks lel
shadow minnow
I have 4266 cl19 1.4 which eh
On iGPU so far I was really unlucky with stability but on dGPU it will hopefully be better
shadow minnow
We shall see
I'm hype for 24gb sticks lel
Could be Pog
With lanes being added, would be nice to see a chipset that like takes 4 pcie 5 lines from cpu and turns them into 16 pcie 3 lines for some slot, or 8 pcie 4
And well 4 channel memory controller though not as necessary with DDR5, would have been nice on DDR4
astral haven
What I want is them throwing all the m.2 onto the bottom slot
So you can use 2 m.2 or a 4 m.2 riser
shadow minnow
Wdym by bottom slot?
astral haven
Top slot is x16 to cpu
Bottom slot is x16 electrical to chipset
You can throw a quad m.2 riser in it
shadow minnow
Well it’s better to have ssd directly connected to cpu
astral haven
On which platform?
Dgaf
shadow minnow
I mean which platform supports it?
astral haven
All the chipsets would in theory support it
shadow minnow
Not really
astral haven
Am4 definetly does
None of the others have an example
shadow minnow
At least older Intel chipsets didn’t have very fast connection to cpu
Now if the connection was made pcie 5
astral haven
That's not the point
shadow minnow
And then chipset used lower versions that would be cool
astral haven
The point is to have the link
My board has an x8 4.0 on chipset
Am4
It has sufficient bandwidth for x4 4.0 or x8 3.0
Yet an x8 4.0 device will still fit
What I want is that on am5 or z790
Both have enough lanes and bandwidth for pcie 3x16
shadow minnow
True
astral haven
There are at least 3 motherboards with 3 chipset m.2s and a chipset x4 slot
Between z690 and am5
astral haven
Oh my b that was 4400 19
And it would always hit 3600 flat 14
Actually wait what the shit?
3800 flat 14 at 1.45 sure
But 4000?
Pcpp doesn't have it
What sticks?
I see 14-15-15-15
Sold out
But no flat 14s
Non flat can be rev n?
And rev n just doesn't have the rfc that makes bdie scream
astral haven
If there aren't 8000 c32 kits for Zen 4 I will be so disappointed that I would have to take 2 weeks off of work
God my brain is not functional
Zen 5
astral haven
I am kinda hoping that z690 is the x99 of ddr5
But it's really looking like it's more the z170...
fair gull
u know sometimes i am really disgusted by people not cleaning their pcs
mostly when people smoke 24/7 next to it and theres wet nicon tin colored dust everywhere
indigo delta
same lol but you'll start a war if you say that on reddit
i literally wash my hands before and after gaming sessions
actually there was a post recently on r/mousepadreview and the mousepad looks hella dirty and boy did they not hold back
lmao
oh the comments
harsh mulch
cerapad kin enters chat
chrome estuary
See this is why I use a trackball but that brings a bunch of mice elitists into having aneurysms.
mossy prawn
I mean he could just clean the pad once every 2-3 months
indigo delta
See this is why I use a trackball but that brings a bunch of mice elitists into ...
yeah i dont understand people who can't keep their preferences to themselves. i have fancy things but i think everyone should have the freedom to have what they want without being questioned
cursive summit
wheat plume
Windows 11 22H2 is slowing down AMD CPUs....
Gosh! Just like when windows 11 first launched
It's like AMD CPUs aren't considered when they make it
And just bolted on to the side by driver updates once the public make a big fuss
ashen spindle
almost like thats complete BS and just a result of two chiplets having a latency penalty that cant be completely removed if you share data between them
- power/frequency limits when you have two ccds active
- amd is working with microsoft so that initial win11 bug was just as much on MS as much as it was on AMD not spotting it
like you do realize how many microsoft server are running AMD now yes?
why would they want to sabotage their own servers
wheat plume
They do??
ashen spindle
amd is by far the more wanted server chip vendor for some time now...
(in most cases, not all obviously)
here get some 96 core azure amd services
96 cores means 12 chiplets, if they sabotage multi chiplet latency that would make massive impact there lmfao
ashen spindle
well at least the article was opened and looked it, even if misunderstood, better than vexx who chronically doesnt read anything beyond headlines
shadow minnow
microsoft bad
I meant not that it isn’t
fair gull
i mean they do some good shit like basically supplying mojang with infinite money
or having made github objectively better
ashen spindle
or making VS free and good so people dont have ot use vim
cursive summit
Windows 11 22H2 is slowing down AMD CPUs....
Gosh! Just like when windows 11 fir...
Why are you talking about Win11
Normal people boycott Win11
Win10 is good until 2025
Maybe they'll make the win11 good in 3 years time
ashen spindle
thank you vexx for proving my point of you not reading anything
wheat plume
Windows 11 has no screen tearing, which is really good for me, cause I had it all the time on 10 .-. and I got a headache from it
cursive summit
thank you vexx for proving my point of you not reading anything <:havo:975821613...
Where does this apply
ashen spindle
win11 22h2 is the version the article had you linked
cursive summit
I just cared about the ryzen results not Windows
wheat plume
it seems windows 10 is better for AMD systems :/
ashen spindle
no its the same
wheat plume
or not 22H2 on 11
ashen spindle
again, that is just the system that one person made the tests on, it's about the same on other versions
win11 had a bug for about a week, maybe two, where some amd cpus due to a bug had performance problems in some applications
that's all there was about amd and win11 since then
cursive summit
Oh boy
Attrition of 69.5% to a high of 81.3% across all levels
People really don't want to work in Amazon eh
Not surprising hearing of what kind of slave-like conditions and work quotas they push onto employees
gusty kiln
Anyone know of a good tws for sleeping? Just want anc for those grass mowing weekends
cursive summit
Inears or over/onears
There are some weird sleepbuds that are basically fluffy
I heard actually good stuff from those weirdly
shadow minnow
Well ofc they do, it’s mostly just a rename spec really
I wish DP 80 was made 2.1 and 40 stayed 2.0
So it’s clear which is which
gusty kiln
Inears or over/onears
In ears
cursive summit
You'd prolly want something comfy af then
Like those dot-buds types
Only good dot bud I know is Melomania 1+ but that doesn't ANC
It fits tightly af though so you can't hear anything anyways
Oh shit they're 60% off rn
cursive summit
I want Cambridge Audio to design something overear super-hifi
Their shit is really good value/price and very enjoyable sound
But it's still quite cheap and I wish they would invest more into something extra premium
Like 200$ in-ears and 300$ overears or such
That'd be an insane product from them
pale sigil
@misty saffron is YouTube still looking like shit for you in iOS
misty saffron
<@466325855598280705> is YouTube still looking like shit for you in iOS
don’t think so no
nope working well
vagrant pagoda
https://www.pcgamer.com/displayport-20-products-already-support-displayport-21/
Need to update the chart
vagrant pagoda
Does a product have to be recertified to have DP2.1?
Only cables.
The spec deals mainly with devices with USB type c video
The only changes to display port is better cable standards
gusty kiln
Damn 2.0 is like 3x faster than 1.4, never bothered to look before
Could probably do 1440 at 360hz 10-bit color
cursive summit
Looks like the price/dp version chart should also change
vagrant pagoda
Damn 2.0 is like 3x faster than 1.4, never bothered to look before
32 vs 80
gusty kiln
Random Google search for me like 26 vs 77
vagrant pagoda
Random Google search for me like 26 vs 77
The article linked has it
Probably a total vs effective number.
cursive summit
reef patrol
Finally. Their gif provider sucks.
vagrant pagoda
Comon nvidia, refresh the shield line
i mean shield is still one of the best andoird tv boxes
and even then
it will be a mid teir orin
so only 20-30% faster gpu
astral haven
Ah but a better upscaling engine can't hurt
Upscaling 4k24 to 4k120?
Vrr up to 4k120?
Hdr 4k120?
I'd buy it in a second if it had vrr 4k120 support
Even if it just ran 24p for 24p content
astral haven
4k60 video at 2x speed
I don't like watching at 1x speed
My Chromecast is not quite capable of driving even 4k60 (it artifacts)
vagrant pagoda
it has the power now, just not the outputs
ashen spindle
lddr something yea
astral haven
They support lpddr4x, ddr4, lpddr5, and ddr5
ashen spindle
not sure how everyone is wrong about it when phoronix and others say its not a bad buy on linux
wheat plume
Yeah, Id assume the driver situation is the same as their iGPUs, built into the kernel?
ashen spindle
idk doesnt really matter
wheat plume
Yeah, it just matters if they are closed source like Nvidia and make desktops have issues if you try to fix screen tearing
plasma kept crashing and freezing when I was playing a game for longer than an hour
gnome desktop feels stuttery and shit when moving windows around the screen but in games it smooth and doesnt crash
thick elk
The intel IGP drivers had problems on windows as well. I remember some youtubers going about better compatibility on linux playing games on intel igps. Major difference is intel ark also pushes tech forward and the dx11 drivers kind of suck and older dx versions are even worse. Besides that, their GUI utility does not work well. These problems simply are irrelevant in Linux land. Also, everyone (except Nvidia) using Mesa cuts down on the burden on getting good OpenGL / Vulkan support.
But yea, Nvidia drivers on Linux suck ass.
And everyone does not just mean Intel + AMD but also arm, broadcom, qualcomm and google, as well as unofficially the broken open-source nvidia drivers and the open source apple m1-2 drivers which also don't fully work yet.
astral haven
They are not in the slightest stable
thick elk
Of course, but the fact that they are in an at least somewhat functional state is pretty impressive
ashen spindle
ehh, while it is apples own chip, they are reusing arm, it's not like people made working drivers for unknown hardware
vagrant pagoda
there is no gpu acceleration support yet
thick elk
Not in mainline no but they are running. Considering and can run run some of the simpler things.
shadow minnow
I mean you can even run normal windows without proper graphics engine support
With some VMs
thick elk
To be fair I have not looked much into it, because well it's Apple hardware, not something I care much about.
cursive summit
M1 114T transistors????
How are they able to manufacture it so cheap and stuff it into 700$ products
vagrant pagoda
How are they able to manufacture it so cheap and stuff it into 700$ products
its cpu+gpu
vagrant pagoda
m1 was 8 cpu cores and 7 gpus cores for 16 billion
shadow minnow
It’s still a lot
vagrant pagoda
m1 ultra is 20 cpus cores and 64 gpu cores for 114 billion
shadow minnow
Steamdeck is 2.5
vagrant pagoda
Steamdeck is 2.5
2.4 is just the gpu
shadow minnow
http://www.transistorcount.com/
“Moore’s law is dead”
ashen spindle
keller put it best
"the amount of people who say its dead doubles every two years"
ashen spindle
not that it matters if its true or not since it got so much more complex now anyway
cursive summit
What's the possibility that Moore's law instead of dying, skyrockets into oblivion where our processors can't reach it
Cause there's no reason to
vagrant pagoda
and thats 4c vs 8 for the og m1
ashen spindle
with 3d stacking and all that coming its also not relevant, either it somewhat still works by numbers or not but improvements will still come
and then when we move away from EUV and/or silicon who knows how that scales
vagrant pagoda
also
the real statistic that matters is cost per transistor adjusted for inflation.
ashen spindle
or hell, maybe photonics is taking over more areas then stuff works differently as well, or if we do stuff like carbon based processors
and as much as it is a joke now, AI will make a big impact, if you can use dlss 5 to just make up accurate frames, you dont need to double transistors for that etc.
maybe the massive gpus are just preparing us for replacing wafer sized gpus in the future
wheat plume
"Gaming" cause they are made for Cloud gaming xd
People: My gaming laptop only lasts 3 hours while gaming LOL
Also the same person: THE STEAM DECK ONLY LASTS 3 HOURS WHILE GAMING????? PURE GARBAGE
cursive summit
empty wren
Anybody here knows how to correctly setup pihole like do I need to sign in as a superuser to install it?
I do not think I set it up correctly.
wheat plume
empty wren
Thanks lahnah
solemn elbow
yo
i plugged in my controller and now dub movment is not workin on the wooting
its a prob iv been having alot and now i can restart my pc rn and thats the only way ik to fix it pls help
ashen spindle
@solemn elbow dont spam the same stuff everywhere
make a post in #1019755933959733258
coarse nexus
Howdy! I'm designing some keyboard accessories, and I was wondering if there is be a CAD file of the 69he with switches and key caps?
60he
ashen spindle
coarse nexus
I can probably make do with any ANSI 60percenter.
I ve been working off the CAD files from there, but there aren't any switches or caps.
Unless I've missed them...
ashen spindle
well the key caps are just default caps, nothing special there
the cad for switches would be something gateron would have to provide, dont think they have that
but you could send an email to wooting mabye they can forward it or something
coarse nexus
Yeah. I don't need switches. Just the caps, all in position.
ashen spindle
ah yeah its just default OEM profile keycaps, I would guess take any you can find would work just fine
coarse nexus
I'll see if I can find something somewhere. It's my desperate hope that I won't have to individually position all the keys on my model :^}
ashen spindle
if you cant find something, email wooting, they might have that internally and just never put it on the github since that isnt technically something wooting specific
coarse nexus
Cool.
stark bobcat
In the latest short circuit they actually mentioned wooting even tho the video isn't really related to wooting aside from being about a keyboard
Kinda pog
Mindshare ⏫
cursive summit
Hmm
I guess 300W TBP max?
That'd be great
Although the raster perf could be always better
So it seems we might be hitting 3x RT perf after all
shadow minnow
Well I hope more than 2 RT
Didn’t nvidia have like 4xRT
Already being better in RT with 3090 than 6950XT
cursive summit
RT doesn't matter for shit anyways
cursive summit
I like prebaked shaders more
The only place where, as a dev, I'd like RT would be audio
Or maybe effect illumination?
Audio I'd definitely raytrace
I fuckin love audio
shadow minnow
I myself do plan to use RT tbh
Even if I have to use DLSS
Though I wouldn’t use DLSS frame generation
Ngl ray traced audio would be cool
Issue is you can’t ray trace it
Because it’s not a ray
But a wave
shadow minnow
But yes spatial audio is cool
cursive summit
AMD is working on more cool RT stuff
This is why I'm not going to do programming
I feel retarded already
thick elk
Interesting is the performance of it, it really does not rely on raw rt performance as much and as such in this demo the 3080 performs the same as the 6900
But good to seem them do the ground work
shadow minnow
Wave traced audio would possibly need even more performance since it’s not just a direct ray
thick elk
cursive summit
Wave traced audio would possibly need even more performance since it’s not just ...
It doesn't
Games already have those and the performance impact is negligible
It doesn't actually use actual rays
shadow minnow
So question is how accurate is it
cursive summit
But god damn it sounds insane
cursive summit
So question is how accurate is it
Accurate af?
thick elk
Not really on a technical sense as far as I know. Object bounces in the real world matter a lot
ashen spindle
what games use is something to get close to it, it's not fully accurate yet and still eats developer time to get it right instead of fully accurate simulated audio
thick elk
Basically getting it to sound about right and sound directional is one thing, acurately simulating it is another
shadow minnow
If you use earphones instead of speakers ear and head scanning can have quite a bit of impact
shadow minnow
And well earphones or earbuds have a huge advantage
Because they can isolate your ears
So just one speaker in each is enough
If they can exactly approximate how would sound entering your ears sound
shadow minnow
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/gaming/acoustics/what-is-acoustics
Looks cool.
I think Sony also introduced something with PlayStation spatial audio but haven’t heard about it since the PS5 announcement
When do we get games that combine raytracing and Microsoft acoustics to simulate wave particle duality?
cursive summit
Interesting comparison
14 cores for 300$
I don't remember seeing anywhere that Raptor Lake launches Oct 20th
Where are all the benchmarks
shadow minnow
I have even seen prebuilds advertising raptor lake
But ngl seems like good value compared to 7600X
Do 7600X not have E cores?
shadow minnow
Yes
cursive summit
"E cores"?
shadow minnow
And I am asking if it has E cores
cursive summit
That's an Intel invention
cursive summit
AMD has not gone big.SHITTLE yet
They are rumoured to have some somwhere in labs
But no, we do not have little cores for AMD yet
Good riddance
shadow minnow
Seems like Intel CPUs are better value for now, switched places. Especially like 13400 vs 5600X
Funny how it used to be and being better value Intel better performance
ashen spindle
no because you sorta need ddr5 on the 12400 and ddr4 and cheaper boards on the 5600x
cursive summit
I think the biggest factor here is that you can buy an LGA1700 board and DDR4 memory to run Raptor Lake
shadow minnow
no because you sorta need ddr5 on the 12400 and ddr4 and cheaper boards on the 5...
Talking about newest gen
cursive summit
Ryzen 7000 requires an all new board and memory to run
ashen spindle
you said 5600x
thick elk
Platform cost is a factor, decent AM4 Mobo's are dirt cheap
ashen spindle
also e cores dont make sense for amd currently
cursive summit
I'm mostly confused why on earth Bexin even mentioned E cores on AMD
thick elk
The biggest problem with ryzen 7000 is platform costs
shadow minnow
Which needs DDR5
While raptor lake can run DDR4
And 13400 will probably be cheaper
ashen spindle
yeah if you want to lower the performance of it
at that point why even go for it and not stick with zen3
shadow minnow
also e cores dont make sense for amd currently
That’s what I mean by Intel and amd switching places
Amd is now high performance on new gen
ashen spindle
no I'm saying even on lower end intel isn't winning
shadow minnow
I doubt 7600X will beat 13400
ashen spindle
because the lower end for amd is just getting zen3 atm
shadow minnow
But we will see
shadow minnow
I doubt 7600X will beat 13400
Even if for now 13400 has cheaper mobo and ram
ashen spindle
also the 13400 is not raptor lake thats just alder lake refresh, it lacks increased cache and such
cursive summit
I doubt 7600X will beat 13400
You also doubted DP2.1
We know how that ended
I'm mostly rather hyped for RDNA3 rn
The performance increase will be massive
Especially in Ray Tracing where they figured out full global ray illumination that doesn't tax the GPU much
And that was on the 6900XT
We gon be (prolly) matching 4090 this year
thick elk
Also remember the RT achitecture of nvida / amd is very different, things optimized for one may not perform as well on the other relatively speaking.
cursive summit
Mostly interested in what FPS will we be seeing from RDNA3
Even if they can't match the 4090, as long as they price the cards right it'd be amazing
-5 or -10% overall perf for like 30% cheaper cards
stark bobcat
honestly I am waiting for gpus on the lower end of this to get so good that I don't need anything about 300€ to be cpu bottlenecked
wheat plume
<3 <3
5.26 is an awesome update
STEAM DECK IS STILL ON 5.23 ;-; PLEASE VALVE, LET US UPDATE
fuck yeh, GIF support for wallpaper, animated wallpapers are official :D
Could do it for a while with a plugin
shadow minnow
You also doubted DP2.1 <:dogekek:846285268289323069>
I doubted it will be a real change, not just a rename
And it needed up basically being a rename, all products that have DP 2.0 support DP 2.1 spec but some cables
It’s actually worse than I doubted, I thought at least only UHBR 20 will be DP 2.1
But well can’t sound like they are .1 behind HDMI
I suppose they took inspiration from USB naming
wheat plume
yep .-.
halcyon moss
thats quite a performance difference 😮
ashen spindle
ffs sake its not a windows glitch
how many times do I need to say that over the span of two days
wheat plume
Yeah it is, AMD CPUs are having issues on 22h2
ashen spindle
source please
ashen spindle
maybe not any links about an issue that was fixed last year already?
wheat plume
the first and last arent last year
ashen spindle
it literally has 2021 in the url what are you on about
halcyon moss
wheat plume
OH LOL, I heard before that AMD works better in Clear Linux
cursive summit
https://www.phoronix.com/review/zen4-clear-linux/6
That was linked before
ashen spindle
so back to windows, if we ignore the links that are from last year, it all is the same one result where it was tested on win11, not compared to another version so we currently only know that turning one CCD off helps, which has been the same since amd went to chiplets
now if you can actually find me something that shows windows has an issue, please go ahead, I would like to see that
cursive summit
It just seems Win11 scheduler might still have issues with CPUs
ashen spindle
the only thing we know is someone making a post saying "21H2 seems more suited"
we dont even know if thats true or if it is by how much
might be true but less than the result of turning CCDs off
but as we know so far
there is NO PERFMANCE ISSUE FOR AMD ON WINDOWS
cursive summit
there is NO PERFMANCE ISSUE FOR AMD ON WINDOWS
Destroyed by facts and logic
halcyon moss
intel FUD
ashen spindle
like I'm not doing this to dunk on someone or be contrarian, I just dont want false information going around
cursive summit
reef patrol
inb4 edge becomes the desktop experience
Remember when you could add websites to the desktop as a layer? xD
cursive summit
Maybe I'm just used to masochism but I just prefer having a shit ton of folders side by side
stark bobcat
https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/microsoft-finally-releases-tabbe...
I want this
ashen spindle
it can be useful and if you dont need it dont use
reef patrol
it can be useful and if you dont need it dont use
Sure - I don't see anyone complaining it exists though 😄
stark bobcat
I would definitely have a use for that
halcyon moss
norton commander still superior anyway :p
ashen spindle
all of the "bloat" in windows just means you can use it if you want and if you dont, you wont care about the 10mb it takes away form your harddrive
halcyon moss
(or mc on linux)
stark bobcat
I think tabbed file explorer is actually an incredible qol change
cursive summit
Well too bad I'll never experience tabbed Windows explorer
Not ever downgrading to Win11 from 10
shadow minnow
Missed asus tuf 4090 being in stock for a good price 😦
rich locust
Yo, whats the difference between the Snappy analog and the Square one?
with a bit more detail
I know one of them is a circle and the other one is a square, but what changes
using it for Rocket League, for me it feels like the Snappy is more loose
stark bobcat
Depends on game
rich locust
RL
reef patrol
Not really a topic for this channel if I have to be grumpy duck for once. Please make a thread in #1019755933959733258
vagrant pagoda
Remember when you could add websites to the desktop as a layer? xD
I miss that so much
reef patrol
Or better yet #1019723042244534282 since this is specific to a game 😄
vagrant pagoda
Combined with rainmeter you could make some dope shit
rich locust
Will do
stark bobcat
RL
If you mean rocket league check this don't know if it's still up to date but I am guessing it is #archived_rocket_league_discussion message
vocal cipher
Not really a topic for this channel if I have to be grumpy duck for once. Please...
oh no... money changed you...
reef patrol
wheat plume
Whats with all the people wanting support starting their messages with "yo" and sending it to many channels?
The person yesterday did it too
vocal cipher
The person yesterday did it too
yo
vagrant pagoda
Whats with all the people wanting support starting their messages with "yo" and ...
Yo
They are used to instant gratification
So they want the quickest solution for them, without thinking of the fact there are people on the other side.
wheat plume
wdym people on the other side? everyone I talk to is just pixels on my screen, duh!
/s
vagrant pagoda
wdym people on the other side? everyone I talk to is just pixels on my screen, d...
Pixies, we are pixies dammit!
I didn't squeeze into this neon leotard and wings to be called a pixel
vagrant pagoda
i wanna see that now xd
Do ya really?
You can barely see the leopard under all the hair.
halcyon moss
yo
wheat plume
e
crimson wigeon
yo
vagrant pagoda
<:pepesweat:660549398417113098> e
solar hinge
i wanna see that now xd
pixies are not meant to be seen, they are meant to be felt... it's that tingling sensation in your butt before you shit your brains out on the toilet after eating indian food
halcyon moss
pixies are not meant to be seen, they are meant to be felt... it's that tingling...
/gihpy wat
fail
pale sigil
/gihpy wat
Ain't that a slack thing
halcyon moss
desktop only maybe
pale sigil
Poo
halcyon moss
💩
wheat plume
how dare you disrespect DP xd
astral haven
how dare you disrespect DP xd
i do wish everything was minidisplayport or usb c
ive broken more regular displayport cables than microdisplayport
and usb is significantly less fragile
astral haven
and fiber is very dust prone
stark bobcat
not all dp cables lock right I seem to remember most of mine not locking
vagrant pagoda
the best is when a monitor has the lock towards the screen.
astral haven
aint a problem with minidp or especially usb c lel
astral haven
the kingpin cards had it right, 3x minidp
20 series was such pog
I really wish they had kept going with it
virtuallink is amazing
ashen spindle
tell that to some people, we are looking for new laptops in my company and one guy tries to tell me usbc for DP-alt is a bad idea because its limited to dp1.3 and only works with short cables???
vagrant pagoda
por que?
astral haven
🤣
vagrant pagoda
20 series was such pog
I really wish they had kept going with it
frontpanel port > virtual link
astral haven
yea it only goes up to 5 meters what a shame
vagrant pagoda
i wish someone made a TB with a internal type c header
ashen spindle
also he wants dp for gsync since hdmi doesnt have it... like bruh what are you doing as an artist that you need VRR for creating stuff and hdmi-vrr isnt enough??
astral haven
frontpanel port > virtual link
0 agreement from me
power + display is better than just one or the other
astral haven
also he wants dp for gsync since hdmi doesnt have it... like bruh what are you d...
actually vrr for video making is very sweet
no frame jitter
astral haven
hdmi-vrr is barely supported
and is at least in my experience as bad as freesync jitter wise so it defeats the point
ashen spindle
3d artist/animators, and I can tell you blender doesnt break if you dont have gsync lmfao
also why look at laptop specs with high quality 4k screens if you ask for DP for external screens, we're not looking for the best possible laptop, aint no way that gets paid for lmfao
then says the laptop I got as an example (alienware m17) wouldnt work because usbc-dp there is coming from the igpu, when the vr headsets we use have hdmi....
vagrant pagoda
0 agreement from me
power + display is better than just one or the other
My tb will also do USB PD+display
astral haven
My tb will also do USB PD+display
your tb isnt front panel lel
vagrant pagoda
It actually is
Because i can't fit the tb card in the actual slot
So I have a riser
And then a panel mount type c running up fronr
Kek
astral haven
hunh
thats actually really cool
my method of getting front panel io is having the rear panel of my computer face me lel
vagrant pagoda
Haha
I have rotated case
So io is up
And it's on a shelf behind my desk
So my front panel is actually the front side
I took a vertical GPU mount
Stuck the tb4 aic in it, and mounted to the "bottom" fan mount
Which has no fans
vagrant pagoda
i have a torrent
astral haven
you can see the pcie riser cards that are just sitting there from where I removed the extra stuff
vagrant pagoda
with only the front two fans
and rear fan
sitting on two wood spacers on its front
ashen spindle
bruh I suggested looking into using cheaper laptops with external gpu and the guy says the laptop version would be better because the card has more vram... yeah you go ahead and use your laptop 3060, I'll prefer my gpu that wont be stuck at 100w lmfao
ashen spindle
nothing we use though
astral haven
didnt you say 3d artists?
ashen spindle
how do I know? everything runs fine on the old 2060 machines in the office lmfao
astral haven
no i mean like for best performance
ashen spindle
for best performance it would be something like one of the alienwares that just have desktop chips in it
astral haven
?
wdym?
like the aga?
thunderbolt being able to hotplug has a signficant advantage
ashen spindle
wasnt there a laptop that had a 5950x and some fullsize desktop gpu or was that just a cpu socket but still laptop gpu
ashen spindle
also for some reason instead of 3070ti wiht 8gb we apparently now need a 3080 min spec due to >=10gb vram... when as I said ever office machine still has a 6gb 2060 lmfao
we're looking for min spec to find what options exist, not what we would love to have
but maybe im just a bit annoyed at him because he told me I first need to read an article, which was the one that said dp1.3 is used for usbc and only works with short cables
that article was from when hdmi2.1 just got released lmfao
vagrant pagoda
0.0
@astral haven i just looked and gigabyte advertises thier x670e typce front panel header as usb 4
astral haven
👀
astral haven
probably a signalling problem
vagrant pagoda
its the asmedia controller sadly
asrock has a intel maple ridge
but then only 2.5g lan
thunderbolt without paying intel
i really dont want to deal with asus again
but unless asrock comes out with a tachi razer with 10g
i just really, really, really hate asus's dumb m.2 riser