well, I dont have either so doubt you'd want a downgrade
#🔌│tech
ashen spindle
pale sigil
As a gift I would ;) ;)
Jokes aside Ive been re evaluating, I have used my computer a handful times in two months and for gaming probably 1-3 hours this month.
Played the most this week I've played in ages (2 hours)
Steam says 10 hours the last two weeks, most of it me leaving cyberpunk open when I was modding it 
Forgot about that.
fickle ore
FTTH 🙂
wheat plume
TIL China has an app that checks if someone you are standing near is in debt or not
pale sigil
@wheat plume I need a new phone
wheat plume
<@361968952592826378> I need a new phone
repeats the same thing again
it sends a notification to your phone if anyone nearby is in debt
cause public surveillance
ashen spindle
<@361968952592826378> I need a new phone
get a fold, fold it over and break it, two phones for the price of one
free life hack tip
cursive summit
@crisp granite
Both Obsidian and Besthesda are now Microsoft's property
There wouldn't be an issue taking Bethesda's IP and just giving it to Obsidian
I'd like to see NV2 after a decade+
cursive summit
You can dim headlights?
Tf is that 
As far as I know all cars have 2 headlight modes, straight in front to fuck up everyone in front of you
And the road only illumination
Tf is "dimming"
ashen spindle
https://arstechnica.com/cars/2022/02/the-us-will-finally-allow-adaptive-beam-headlights-on-new-cars/ here, its from february
cursive summit
Oh so the ground only illumination
Huh, I wonder how they can even drive at night then if they can only shine straight
fickle ore
Well this is a joke
Yeah actually I'm only paying for 200 mbps, dunno why it's 400. Kekw
Prob goes down in a week or so
Installing a fiber modem was a pita tho
frozen ingot
https://www.dualshockers.com/obsidian-new-fallout-game/
bring back interplay
I would give a lot for a new fallout game from them
cursive summit
They are not gone though
Interplay's kind of dead though
InXile is the successor though
And published some pretty damn good games
Jesus I really love the word though, though
neat cove
Off topic question but maybe some of y'all can point me in the right direction. I want to record an application like how nvidia shadowplay records. It records all the time but footage older than 5 minutes gets deleted automatically so it doesn't fill up storage. Does anyone know if I can setup something like that within OBS?
cursive summit
OBS afaik is press to record
ashen spindle
why not use shadowplay
cursive summit
You can set up Nvidia Share I think to save the recording only on click though
neat cove
why not use shadowplay
Shadowplay doesn't support the application
neat cove
It's a screen recording software?
No, you can record anything, but you can't record that 5 minute old footage automatically gets deleted on anything. Only supported applications.
cursive summit
Can't you make use of a key shortcut where it only records and saves specific moments?
I know my AMD thing has that, where it will constantly record the footage but only save it if you press a key shortcut
neat cove
Can't you make use of a key shortcut where it only records and saves specific mo...
No, that feature is only usable in supported applications. Sadly..
cursive summit
That feature should in no way be usable only in supported applications
Makes no sense
neat cove
Makes no sense
I knowwwwwww
neat cove
Yes, Shadowplay can record fullscreen all the time but I need to record only the non fullscreen application and nothing else. That is possible for non fullscreen applications if they are supported.
cursive summit
Hard to give advice something I've never touched in my life, namely, Shadowplay
Shouldn't be an issue on Radeon's recording software
neat cove
Hm, no problem. I though maybe OBS had such a setting but I couldn't find anything on it myself.
vagrant pagoda
Fine for spinning media
cursive summit
They're cheap af at least
vagrant pagoda
Wouldn't be a bad task for a dedicated USB hard drive even.
neat cove
I know, but all that is no problem for me. I want to record in low but still viewable res
vagrant pagoda
You can easily get 100MB/s + out of them.
I have a dual disk dock
That is 20gbps
neat cove
I want to use it as a virtual security camera for an application 😄
crisp granite
https://www.dualshockers.com/obsidian-new-fallout-game/
yes
cursive summit
However what I'm really missing nowadays from a lot of product descriptions is R/W speeds
cursive summit
Not listed at all in spec sheets
crisp granite
just crossing my fingers it happens too
cursive summit
This sort of marketing is just incredibly disingenuous though
So if you have a 3.0 Superspeed that means the drive is like 5 gbps or something?
Not at all, it's still prolly locked to max 100 MB/s R/W speeds cause it's an HDD
gusty kiln
people like to shuck those drives for cheap NAS storage
cursive summit
Sad that you have to go to a video to find how much the thing is capable of pulling
130/120 isn't bad though
reef patrol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-hsYsc8dCg
I swear... Linux actually managed to tempt me for once. When I move if I can do a half height rack on wheels, I could actually consider doing this for wife and my own PC.
vagrant pagoda
However what I'm really missing nowadays from a lot of product descriptions is R...
It is capped at 3.0 speeds so 100-120 mb
Even though USB had a max of 5gbps
It's no where near that in real life ever.
cursive summit
I was about to say, USB3.0 had a max speed of 5 gbps
120 is not the cap by any means
vagrant pagoda
3.2 gen 1 has a ton of improvements
gusty kiln
what's the max speed over sata of modern 7200RPM drives?
vagrant pagoda
250MB/s
vagrant pagoda
Yeah
That's what I get out my dock
It's gen 2x2
So 20 gbps
It will do 500mb/s on sata ssds
Wait
The sata is 2x1
My m.2 is 2x2
It will do almost full speed drive to drive.
It's a 2 disk dock.
ashen spindle
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-hsYsc8dCg
I swear... Linux actually managed t...
idk its neat but I think if you just want 1 or 2 machines that isnt benefitting too much
vagrant pagoda
idk its neat but I think if you just want 1 or 2 machines that isnt benefitting ...
Yeah need for it 1/2 to be rack mounted is meh
Just get a bookcase or shelf and stick a normal PC there
Get long cables.
astral haven
It is capped at 3.0 speeds so 100-120 mb
3.0 5gbos can do 500MB/s easy
vagrant pagoda
Ehhh most 3.0 controllers can't.
astral haven
I've been using a flash drive that does that for at least 5 years
astral haven
Ehhh most 3.0 controllers can't.
Literally every single USB to SATA controller can
astral haven
🤷♂️ that's just when I got it
It definetly predates the physical updates
vagrant pagoda
3.1 controllers are a lot more stable
astral haven
Be ause 3.0 vs 3.1 is identical logically
vagrant pagoda
Early 3.0 was rough
astral haven
🤷 computer side not device side
vagrant pagoda
But yeah it's also the chip in the drive enclosure too.
I get 200MB/s easy with shucked drives
I ment more of the entire usb chain limiting it
astral haven
And my wd elements is happy to burst to 500MB/s stock just only until the cache fills
I bought them to shuck, but I just didn't need to...
vagrant pagoda
Talking sequential. As it was per video recording
But yeah they are just slow
5200 rpm drives with cheap dated controllers generally
gusty kiln
for casuals, which of those of the shelf nas is the best?
vagrant pagoda
for casuals, which of those of the shelf nas is the best?
An old PC lol
vagrant pagoda
A 3/4gen core is faster than almost any consumer level nas
And can be had for $50
gusty kiln
I do have my old pc with a 4460 and a GTX 970
crisp granite
And can be had for $50
and even that is a ripoff
vagrant pagoda
I mean I'm talking a 4770 equipped one
crisp granite
I've seen businesses just binning PCs with better chips
get em at the cost of taking them home and stripping them
vagrant pagoda
Isnt bad for the price
I got one a few months back for a buddy
It's a Dell sff
With 4770 and 16gb
He just has his 3 externals hooked up
gusty kiln
currently using an Asus router and a 8TB external is a bootleg file server atm
capped at 40 MB/s read/write
vagrant pagoda
You don't actually need hotspot bays
gusty kiln
I know, but it's just nice to have
gusty kiln
crimson wigeon
Bigger is better
gusty kiln
yeah AIB 4090s are not fitting in my case
vagrant pagoda
I also got some ebay speical quad 3.5 mount and screwed it above the 3.5 cage
vagrant pagoda
100R doesn't look half bad either
Does it have no top vent ?
vagrant pagoda
Also only 2 drive slots
gusty kiln
3 3.5 and 2 2.5
there's a lot of empty space so I wonder if I can rig some HDD cage into it
vagrant pagoda
Yeah
gusty kiln
but 3 drives is enough for raid 5
vagrant pagoda
I have a second 4 drive cage in the 200r on top of the 2.5 cage
And then this
Which is why 3 cd bays is important
You can fit 5 hard drives side to side in 3 5.25 bays
gusty kiln
hmmm
vagrant pagoda
That's my 13 drive Nas kol
With 4 sata ssds for docker/vms
It's also likely one of the very very few servers to ever use sata express lol
I have a pair of Intel 600p 1tb in sata express adapters running in it
astral haven
You sure it's sata express and not u.2?
vagrant pagoda
It's z97
Sata express
I have a pair of Lenovo laptop adapters
Which I think is one of 2 actually produced sata express devices
astral haven
Dang
That's real rare
vagrant pagoda
The other being the USB controller.
The adapters are easy to get though
But I've seen one retail boxed ASRock sata express USB front panel
And heard the gigabyte one was available in Taiwan/China
But never heard of a single working ocz sata express drive.
Which makes the fact you can easily get cables weird.
As the only device I've ever seen for sale for use in a desktop included cables.
The Lenovo are for laptops
But the Lenovo adapters are like $20
Work with any m.2 nvme
Though only x2
pale sigil
@wheat plume
wheat plume
huh?
wheat plume
Xiaomi 12
pale sigil
ayyy
wheat plume
?
pale sigil
got a model suggestion finally
wheat plume
msrp was 520, ooh
welp
oh no....
There is rumours there will be a Xiaomi Note 11 Pro Max
PLEASE DONT USE THAT SHITTY APPLE NAMING SCHEME .-.
ashen spindle
what else should it be called?
pale sigil
the max pro
wheat plume
The Max Pro Ultra T
vagrant pagoda
nvidia is trying so hard though with the 4xxxx
sending 2 engineers to GN for videos is crazy
that means his criticisms of the 3xxx was enough they actual worried about it.
mint light
lol first sign of geforce experience giving me a reservation to order, i am
still waiting for the reward invitation in my rewards queue
pale sigil
@mint light why?
mint light
fast card is fast. sitting on a 5900X and 1000W psu already. let’s get that card!
cursive summit
shadow minnow
https://youtu.be/gtLXGa8wHLM
REEE this video
reef patrol
My PC needs... RAM? Well no shit
shadow minnow
The point the video is trying to make is that you need high performance ram kits
From specific companies
And that you loose games because of not having it
And this person charges money for optimizing peoples computers
Now yes some details in the video were correct, but there was so much misinformation
indigo delta
cursive summit
I dunno if AMD expected much cause that seems unrealistic
New platform, new memory technology, high entry costs
Doesn't help that the 5800X3D exists
ashen spindle
Ddr5 is cheaper than it was when alder lake came out by a lot and that was a new platform too
cursive summit
But sales being bad is honestly, good?
AMD can't recoup R&D costs as fast and might discount them faster
So, consumers might win
ashen spindle
no they will just sell less then lol
servers will be happy, just means more dies for them
epyc should still be booked out for weeks ahead
and what else would people get for latest gen? raptor lake? lmao
reef patrol
Does it last a day?
pale sigil
No
cursive summit
Apple watch 6?
Or what's the newest one
Apple Watch Series 8 according to gsmarena
reef patrol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fX1qYMcfgs
Gorgeous on paper... but... do you ever close it once it's open? Really? Unless that one time a year you have guests over that don't involve TV of some kind?
halcyon moss
also requires large enough house so you have lots of EMPTY space next to the tv
shadow minnow
Apple watch 6?
No not Apple Watch, that would last a day
(Also coming from experience since I have Apple Watch 6)
cursive summit
I remember Pleasant saying that he wanted an apple watch
So I'm assuming he got an apple watch and hates it
shadow minnow
Nope he wanted to but didn’t since he doesn’t have an iPhone
I think he got the Samsung one
Yeah Samsung watch 4
shadow minnow
Lol asus marketing their capacitors as “military grade”
They don’t even say how many amps they are lmao
fair gull
they dont need to?
mil spec or mip grade in comouter terms is mainly marketing lingo
usually doesnt mean its good just manufactured to some mil spec number
vocal cipher
which military though?
ashen spindle
north korea
shadow minnow
they dont need to?
4090s consume a lot of amps so it matters, for example 16 50amp VRMs can get pretty warm on 4090
crisp granite
which military though?
the military of the... GLÖRİÖÜS NATİON OF AZERBAYCAAANNN
sorry, couldn't resist
ashen spindle
you mean arstotzka?
vocal cipher
I mean the stuff I had to use and wear in my service were, well, not good quality at all 😄
shadow minnow
Plait 4090 has pretty bad VRMs for example
vocal cipher
whom and why the thank is for?
shadow minnow
Military grade means cheapest possible to meet the minimal requirements (so most profit can have made on it)
fair gull
4090s consume a lot of amps so it matters, for example 16 50amp VRMs can get pre...
they dont need to list the amps
vocal cipher
shitload of money spend for useless things - that's what I understand from military
fair gull
thats what the mil spec numbers are for
shadow minnow
They don’t need to but it would be useful
shadow minnow
thats what the mil spec numbers are for
Wdym?
crisp granite
shitload of money spend for useless things - that's what I understand from milit...
eh, here a lot of money got spent on uniforms
and I'm glad they did
vocal cipher
silky uniforms 😄
crisp granite
yeeeeeeeeee
fair gull
Wdym?
mil spec has numbers like other norm numvlbers from iso/ansi/rfc
thats the spec number and that tells u to what spec smth is built
vocal cipher
oh the boots, they were like - iron...
shadow minnow
mil spec has numbers like other norm numvlbers from iso/ansi/rfc
Okay but how does that have anything to do with me wanting to know how many amps the VRMs can handle before overheating
fair gull
bruh
shadow minnow
My point is they include uslesss marketing stuff but no actual useful numbers
fair gull
read the damn spec sheet of the mil spec
ashen spindle
if you watercool it who cares, even if they get hotter your waterblock cools more than any aircooler
shadow minnow
read the damn spec sheet of the mil spec
That’s not gonna help
crisp granite
oh the boots, they were like - iron...
better question is how old they were
and how many feet were in them before you
fair gull
That’s not gonna help
it literally tells u what the components handle
the same way i dont need tell you what ssh needs cause theres a spec for it
vocal cipher
and how many feet were in them before you
good/bad part was all uniforms and everything you use are burnt when you finish your service
crisp granite
NOICE
shadow minnow
if you watercool it who cares, even if they get hotter your waterblock cools mor...
Yes but still don’t want VRMs to produce over 100w of heat which they could on one 4090 with watecooling
vocal cipher
good for the individual but yeah, it's a waste alright
vocal cipher
not cheaply, but not for comfort at all
that's what I wore in Hatay under 40 C degrees
ashen spindle
Yes but still don’t want VRMs to produce over 100w of heat which they could on o...
so just lower powertarget, derbauer already showed 70% power gives you like 95% performance
and if it runs fine on air, water just means it's still going to be fine lol
crisp granite
that's what I wore in Hatay under 40 C degrees
was the absurdly heavy and woefully outdated G3 included as well?
shadow minnow
so just lower powertarget, derbauer already showed 70% power gives you like 95% ...
Thing is I want to OC
crisp granite
also rollers on those are pretty worn out most likely, probably pretty nasty rifles to shoot
vocal cipher
unfortunately - the gun itself is actually scary, hated using that thing
heats up quite easy too
ashen spindle
Thing is I want to OC <:dogekek:846285268289323069>
oc for what, 50% more powerdraw for 5% more performance?
ashen spindle
then you'd want to wait for a HOF or kingping-replacement card anyway
or do it on a lower tier card since there you can still get performance from it
shadow minnow
Well I want to OC for fun so don’t want to spend too much money
ashen spindle
"dont want to spend too much" and "4090" in one sentence doesnt add up
crisp granite
unfortunately - the gun itself is actually scary, hated using that thing
I've fired similar patterns here, roller delayed 7.62x51mm, the shooting experience really degrades with use
a new set of rollers changes that pretty quickly as well
they're quite wonderful when well maintained
vocal cipher
I am extremely against guns, but that one in particular is for massacre
crisp granite
otherwise they open up too quickly and recoil like mad
crisp granite
mainly calibre, it's a pretty heavy and fast moving bullet
most of the world moved to smaller calibres that do shitloads more soft tissue damage
and with body armour really becoming more popular, more militaries are either dusting off the cold war era shit or adopting new rifles in old, potent rounds
vocal cipher
in cities and all, there are smaller guns, but in danger zones they still used G3 in my time. Don't know if it's still the same
crisp granite
in cities and all, there are smaller guns, but in danger zones they still used G...
probably lol
turkish government don't spend money on shit but themselves
vocal cipher
I went when the Syria war just broke and there were refugees coming from Hatay, it was the worst time you could go
wheat plume
Would this work well for sharing a keyboard and mouse between my PC and steam deck dock?
pale sigil
@wheat plume not at the same time
wheat plume
<@361968952592826378> not at the same time
Idc about the same time
Can just press the button to swap right?
wheat plume
huh?
vocal cipher
I thought KVM basically switch between two devices
^
it wouldn't work at the same time
pale sigil
Pretty self explanatory
vocal cipher
the hdmi one is a bit useless though, would only add one more cable to the mess... I mean most of the monitors have at least two inputs
ashen spindle
Why not get one that has video outputs too
those are super expensive lol also just overkill for switching mouse+keyboard
pale sigil
vocal cipher
I ordered just usb switcher from ali for the keyboard, and it's 8€ with the shipping
vocal cipher
for a wooting? yeah that wont work lol
not wooting
pale sigil
Even USB 3 can still be an issue
ashen spindle
yeah but usually works fine if it is really usb3
pale sigil
For sure
wheat plume
wait, Wooting keebs dont work on USB Switches?
ashen spindle
not what I said
vocal cipher
it adds length and a breakpoint
wheat plume
is the UGREEN one shit?
ashen spindle
if its usb3 and functional it will be fine
pale sigil
No
wheat plume
if its usb3 and functional it will be fine
im not even sure what ports ive got shit plugged into on my PC
vocal cipher
ugreen is a better chineese brand, but it's mostly the usb type.
wheat plume
I just find a USB port and plug it in
pale sigil
A wooting still works on USB 2
vocal cipher
and sum of the cables shouldn't be more than 1.2m to be safe
ashen spindle
a usb2 kvm is just usually shit and also if you use it for more than just the keyboard you are lacking bandwidth
vocal cipher
^
pale sigil
Mhmm
ashen spindle
usb3 hub I have works fine even when it had like 3m total or so due to longer cables
pale sigil
It's why we always ask if a user is using that or a hub
pale sigil
USB3 hubs can still cause some issues
vocal cipher
even if they do, just turn off the rgb 😄
wheat plume
Someone just got shocked when they learned they can hotswap keyboards on Linux 🤦♀️
THATS THE WHOLE POINT OF USB, BRUH :')
halcyon moss
huh? yeah..
wheat plume
I wonder how they would react at the fact you could use the same cable for multiple keyboards if they are able to have the cable detached
vocal cipher
why are you having this conversation with someone who simply isn't interested in that kind of stuff?
wheat plume
they use Linux
cursive summit
wheat plume
but they just got a new keyboard and they said they needed to shut down the computer to plug it out and plug the new one in 🤦♀️
fair gull
u dont on linux either
halcyon moss
you might have needed to do it when it was still ps2
wheat plume
I could take the cable off this keyboard and plug my wooting two into it and itll work
both keebs have USB C on them
OMFH PLEASE DONT TELL ME THIS IS HIS FIRST USB KEYBOARD
crisp granite
keyboards use USB????
wheat plume
LOL
pale sigil
Sounds like a boomee
halcyon moss
some ppl still think ps2 is superior.. but probably dont realise that cpus havent had support for ps2 for ages and its a usb interface anyway on your brand new motherboard (i say this without evidence)
crisp granite
mice and keeb use PS/2
monitors use VGA or DVI-D
headphones use a 3.5mm jack
halcyon moss
DVI-D? look at mister digital here
DVI-A please :p
the other day.. i tried to use a hdmi to vga passive dongle.. it doesnt work anymore on more modern systems
vocal cipher
they use Linux
ok, still though, they don't ¨have to¨ know it
unless they work in IT or act like they are techies
that's what I am telling
I know so many people still asking if it's Samsung charger, when I give them USB-c
it's not that weird, I wouldn't know the simple stuff they know
vocal cipher
https://tenor.com/view/linux-trash-linuxbad-gif-18671901
that's literally what I think of linux...
cursive summit
It's honestly most of the time the genuine linux experience
Terminal terminal and more terminal
wheat plume
terminal is better than GUI for package management
cursive summit
I can't imagine a computer-illiterate user actually using a PC if they are using linux
Oh boy
wheat plume
even on Windows, I use terminal over GUI for installing apps
final flame
the only reason why I can see someone computer illiterate using Linux is because it was installed for them
wheat plume
wheat plume
the only reason why I can see someone computer illiterate using Linux is because...
yep
cursive summit
Or they can't afford Windows and they heard of the "free computer operating software"
Or they are some kind of activist and hate Windows
wheat plume
yeh,but they wont know what an OS is
vocal cipher
i think it's just more fun, and makes you feel more, veteran
crisp granite
Or they can't afford Windows and they heard of the "free computer operating soft...
...the free computer operating software is literally just pirated windows
wheat plume
Ive seen many people who DONT know what Windows is, AND THEY USE IT ON THEIR COMPUTERS
final flame
yea...
vocal cipher
Ive seen many people who DONT know what Windows is, AND THEY USE IT ON THEIR COM...
I mean, most of iphone users wouldn't know what IOS is...
wheat plume
and when I tell it is what they are using to run apps, they are like wtf? but the apps is Chrome, not Windows
wheat plume
I mean, most of iphone users wouldn't know what IOS is...
yeah, OFC not unless they use Cisco routers
jk LOL
Cisco's router firmware is called IOS
vocal cipher
which I didn't know for example...
crisp granite
I mean, most of iphone users wouldn't know what IOS is...
...
wheat plume
I knew cause we had to use them to setup network topology in Networking class
we connected to then over serial connection using PUtTY
crisp granite
or "overwatch pr0n"
wheat plume
OH LOL
pale sigil
My go to for VMs or deck
I've always owned windows but never paid lol
Via uni or college
I've given out so many licenses
ashen spindle
Or they are people with income and can afford to pay for things that are not provided for free
vocal cipher
if windows made it harder to use it free, I think they would have been hated much more,
as they are already having enough, I don't think they care so much about that
pale sigil
Their money is from businesses mostly
vocal cipher
windows being used free or not already gives them other oppurtunities too
final flame
well windows keys aren't their main source, it's the PC vendors
ashen spindle
I simply have the same opinion on it as pirating games, dont care if you can't afford it, if you can afford it pay it or use something else if you dont think it's worth it
don't care because that wasn't my argument
pale sigil
Let's not dive into this for the 10000th time pls
Thankfully vexx aint seen this yet
So let's cut it here before it's to late
vocal cipher
Let's not dive into this for the 10000th time pls
it's my first time
crisp granite
@cursive summit 
pale sigil
Ass
ashen spindle
so dont pay for it and dont use it, it's very simple
cursive summit
Linux is only good for one thing, and that's enterprise
pale sigil
No?
cursive summit
I see it super convoluted for normal use cases
pale sigil
What do you consider enterprise
cursive summit
Businesses that create or design and maintain a product
Servers, creative aspect, other similar stuff
That's where Linux does well
pale sigil
I have a raspberry pi
vocal cipher
you mean it's worse than linux and macos?
final flame
Businesses that create or design and maintain a product
creative applications is where Linux doesn't work well
cursive summit
I thought that engineers love linux for CAD stuff
pale sigil
Steam deck isn't used for enterprise either
vocal cipher
windows is the best all arounder... you can do everything you want,
ashen spindle
xbox os is windows lol
pale sigil
Xbox is windows
final flame
creatives usually work on macos just because Adobe sucks when it comes to os support, not too sure about what is people like prototyping on
ashen spindle
playstation is also freebsd based not linux
stark bobcat
anyone else grip their mouse by having the middle finger on scrollwheel and ring finger on rightclick?
pale sigil
It ain't custom i
It's windows
You can do the same on ps
It's a computer
Basically
crisp granite
buying xbox to install linux
it is decently capable hardware when new
so I could understand that
ashen spindle
no
ps5 isnt even sold at loss anymore lol
ps5 was not sold at a loss anymore since like february
reef patrol
ps5 isnt even sold at loss anymore lol
Raising the prices of your consoles 20% will do that 😄
ashen spindle
no at same price
vocal cipher
it is decently capable hardware when new
buy a laptop - pc and install linux, it would be cheaper probably
ashen spindle
they simply managed to reduce production costs
ashen spindle
think its 550 and 450 currently
each 50 increased from early prices
or wait the price increase might've only been for some regions too
so us prices might still be launch prices
stark bobcat
ps5 is for the weak minded who don't wait until sony inevitably brings their best games to pc cope
still mad about demons souls remake
ashen spindle
idk I think ps5 makes sense since if you have a pc you gain nothing from the xbox
stark bobcat
ps5 xbox tomato tomato
cursive summit
There's a PS5 hardware exploit if that's good enough
But no emu afaik
What's the point of emulating PS5 when it has like a total of 4 games that are exclusive to it
Not counting all of the ports and "next gen versions"
wheat plume
idk I think ps5 makes sense since if you have a pc you gain nothing from the xbo...
That's actually a pretty good point
All the same games are on both by default
cursive summit
I find PS5s regularly for 500-550 here
Where you at @latent mural
Oh shit
Americans
Amerreich
Yes I'm in EU
vocal cipher
bigger enter buttons win!
stark bobcat
true bigger enter>tiny pp
stark bobcat
less keys miss me with that shit
cursive summit
ISO is better
stark bobcat
cant type german properly with ansi shit it's trash
vocal cipher
cant type german properly with ansi shit it's trash
most languages are problematic with ANSI
vocal cipher
more keys, more money
stark bobcat
americans when they have to call the ambulance and suddenly become poor
vocal cipher
americans when they have to call the ambulance and suddenly become poor
there is a mistake in that sentence,
they don't call unless they are extremely rich anyways
stark bobcat
this logic absolutely baffles me
there are so many times people don't think an injury is as big as it is due to adrenalin
vocal cipher
it suppose to me a meme here but
can't imagine with what mind anyone can support American healthcare system over a socialist country's
stark bobcat
you don't for most things
vocal cipher
I think it's important to like what you have,
ashen spindle
if its anything more urgent than getting new glasses because its within the same week or day depending on what it is lol and for new glasses it was like 1 week last time for me
vocal cipher
:S
ashen spindle
dont think I had to copay anything beyond like 20bucks for anything either so far
stark bobcat
some things that are not required sometimes need a copay but it's often not bad
what?
ashen spindle
yeah ofc its free by consistently paying into a fund for it basically, but that also then covers people who couldn't afford it and also doesnt incentivises doctors to do things that make them more money than other options
stark bobcat
?????????? that is not what I have heard
ashen spindle
if you need to take a loan for it I wouldn't call that "being able to pay for it"
stark bobcat
loans means you can't afford it
vagrant pagoda
The fun part is the US government pays the most per Capita for medical already
Same way that bail works
ashen spindle
healthcare seems a bit more basic needs than getting a house over renting a place
reef patrol
Good. Bail needs to die 😛
vagrant pagoda
bruh a car or a house != your health
Some times health < crippling debt
reef patrol
Those wouldn't have passed bail to begin with though.
stark bobcat
Some times health < crippling debt
well he is arguing in favour of the american healthcare system so this doesn't work
vagrant pagoda
well he is arguing in favour of the american healthcare system so this doesn't w...
I mean
ashen spindle
I mean the whole debt system in the us is fucked imo, how everything is looking towards debt scores etc.
vagrant pagoda
Those wouldn't have passed bail to begin with though.
Not true
Almost anyone can get bail
astral haven
anyone sure
but not for every crime
vagrant pagoda
For murder you get 250k-million
stark bobcat
judge can deny bail
vagrant pagoda
But you still get it
astral haven
For murder you get 250k-million
manslaughter
vagrant pagoda
judge can deny bail
Yes but the type of charge has nothing to do with denying bail it's if they intend to recommit
vagrant pagoda
manslaughter
Murder too
reef patrol
If you have 2 million bucks to bond for murder, the least of your problem is the legal system.
You can afford - an actual lawyer
astral haven
You can afford - an actual lawyer
yes but thats not a good thing
vagrant pagoda
You can put the full 2 mill up and get it back or generally pay 10%
stark bobcat
tbh I don't really give a shit about the american legal system since I'll never have to go through it
vagrant pagoda
Works great until someone else lies to the police
astral haven
yea and dont get swatted
stark bobcat
being a crime != being morally wrong
ashen spindle
oh wait lets bring up mansens favourite law topic while we're on it, heard vs depp appeal filings are due soon
stark bobcat
also pretty sure it's illegal to get an abortion in certain states
"just don't commit crimes"
crisp granite
yep
stark bobcat
"don't get raped"
crisp granite
now a "state decision"
and then when the states, funnily enough
do their own things
quacks in the federal government go "let's do a countrywide ban at x time"
can't have it both ways
crisp granite
"don't get raped"
exactly 5head
literally this
this is the logic we need in every member of society
we'd have a lot less cases of rapes if people just
didn't get raped, ja?
/s
shadow minnow
"dont want to spend too much" and "4090" in one sentence doesnt add up
True but don’t want to spend more than needed
So just want the best pcb out of FE priced cards
Which may end up being FE
ashen spindle
why not get a 4080 so you can have fun Ocing that and actually get something from it
or as said before wait for amd announcements if you're not getting a card before rdna3 release anyway
no point looking around in detail now if things likely change
wow how convenient, only need to travel to another state !
jfc
stark bobcat
neither of those things defeat my argument and I am really not interested in arguing further
astral haven
those numbers are very misleading considering telling the truth in those situations can end up very poorly for the victim
ashen spindle
that too, unreported numbers are very tricky in such cases
shadow minnow
why not get a 4080 so you can have fun Ocing that and actually get something fro...
Too much less performance
Last gen I wanted to get a 80 card
Now the price difference is too small to justify the drop in performance
If the 80 costed as much as last gen would get it
ashen spindle
literally dont have reviews of it yet so how would you know the difference after its OC'd
shadow minnow
Bigger performance smaller price difference
Doubt OCing is gonna do enough, but we will see with reviews ofc
Though hmm I should consider AMD
Probably will
astral haven
if it has enough performance to run all the games you need on your monitor, then it doesnt matter how it gets there
amd has always been an option, the 6900xt right now looks pretty darn good
and 7000 series could do pretty well
shadow minnow
if it has enough performance to run all the games you need on your monitor, the...
Well I have 4k144 monitor so only 4090 is really enough
astral haven
just stop maxing out all the games?
pale sigil
I don't wanna read up
vagrant pagoda
Who knows if the 4080 will oc well anyway
pale sigil
Well I have 4k144 monitor so only 4090 is really enough
Not with DP 1.2
shadow minnow
just stop maxing out all the games?
I like details
But I’ll see what performance amd has and the price, then decide
pale sigil
Sorry ye but whatever
shadow minnow
But yes amd having DP 2.0 would definitely make me consider it more
ashen spindle
you said yourself you want the card in or before february so just wait and dont nit pick 4090pcbs now already lmfao
vagrant pagoda
pale sigil
HDMI 2.1 can do 4k144?
shadow minnow
Better graph was the one that was DP version per $
astral haven
HDMI 2.1 can do 4k144?
dp 1.4 can do 4k240hz
shadow minnow
HDMI 2.1 can do 4k144?
Yes, even at 10bpc
If we are talking strictly without compression it’s 4k98 10bpc
vagrant pagoda
Is there even a panel that is worth having 10 bit at 144?
astral haven
Is there even a panel that is worth having 10 bit at 144?
fald panels
shadow minnow
Well why not if the panel has the option?
I have the Eve spectrum which is same panel as lg 950 or what was it
Ngl I wish I had the glossy version too, it looks so much better imo
vagrant pagoda
fald panels
Barely but I guess
I haven't been impressed with most of the high refresh rate fald stuff
shadow minnow
It’s not true 10 bit but better than nothing
astral haven
Barely but I guess
nah it matters
bc the banding does become a problem when there is such a large amount of detail in dark and bright areas
vagrant pagoda
Yeah but most fast paced games you don't notice the banding
shadow minnow
Glossy >> Matte for color and especially blacks
And many zones >>>> one or only few zones
vagrant pagoda
And in atmospheric games you don't need the high refresh rate
pale sigil
4090 seems like a waste of money
ashen spindle
fald? laughs in oled
pale sigil
Considering you don't live with your computer
shadow minnow
I probably will for uni
Which is why I didn’t get a 30 series card
But waiting
Still not getting a card for a while
vagrant pagoda
fald? *laughs in oled*
Only if you have good blackout curtains
shadow minnow
Unless I find really well priced 4090 or sth
pale sigil
Honestly, spending 2k on a card is mind boggling and beyond reasonable
ashen spindle
curtains? shutters are a normal things here lel, cba with sun shining on any sort of display during the day lol
shadow minnow
Honestly, spending 2k on a card is mind boggling and beyond reasonable
Yes, I wish 80 was as reaonable as last gen, so I’d get it instead
astral haven
Honestly, spending 2k on a card is mind boggling and beyond reasonable
imo spending 8000 on a car just for commuting is mind boggling and beyond reasonable
everyone has their own things
sharp badger
I've seen prices on 4080 for 1800€+ 🤑
vagrant pagoda
fald? *laughs in oled*
I went from oled to fald
ashen spindle
I've seen prices on 4080 for 1800€+ 🤑
4080 is out on the 16th so any prices till then dont matter
ashen spindle
at the very least FE cards will be at MSRP
vagrant pagoda
at the very least FE cards will be at MSRP
For 3/10 of a second
ashen spindle
it took like close to 10 minutes for FE cards of the 4090 to sell out here
astral haven
For 3/10 of a second
just wait a few weeks
ashen spindle
and like 15 for the AiB cards
shadow minnow
imo spending 8000 on a car just for commuting is mind boggling and beyond reason...
True, could have gotten some car instead of my pc probably tbh
astral haven
same
vagrant pagoda
it took like close to 10 minutes for FE cards of the 4090 to sell out here
Only because the site takes so long.
ashen spindle
nah
ashen spindle
maybe the case in the US, here the site for FE and aib cards wasn't even slow loading so they managed traffic quite well this time
vagrant pagoda
Checkout is the slow part
ashen spindle
nah, checkout was the was part that always was fast when I tried getting 30 series card there
and 30 series cards during mining were gone within seconds
sharp badger
Yeah
But a few places are waiting for cards to arrive at shops atm.
But the prices have been true from when they started showing up
ashen spindle
¯_(ツ)_/¯ the store had FE at msrp and at least 3 models that also met MSRP so I assume there will be some aib cards that also his the msrp for the 4080
sharp badger
MSI 4080 gaming trio is priced at 1700€ at the shop i'm looking at
shadow minnow
Cheapest 4090s seem to be 1700£ here which is like 1950€
ashen spindle
yup thats msrp
sharp badger
4080 Tuf is priced at 1800€~
astral haven
And much better performance
define much better?
sharp badger
Yeah the 4090 TUF is priced at 2000€~
ashen spindle
the shop here only lists cards if they are in stock now so cant tell you which ones were the 4090s that matched msrp or what 4080 will match it here
shadow minnow
define much better?
What can be seen in nvidias benchmarks, which is the only ones we have atm.
Definitely enough to justify 200€ more at that point
ashen spindle
but they will match it
shadow minnow
Nvidia tends to list official prices of AIB GPUs sometimes
Which is where I take tuf being 1700£ from
Which is the card I am considering rn
Unless AHOC tells it’s bad
Then May get an FE instead
AHOC videos are great
shadow minnow
If FE had 2 HDMIs would definitely go for FE
FE is pretty good in terms of VRMs too
Way better than palit game rock
sharp badger
I like the Zotac one
astral haven
its a shame how not good the vrms are of not the fe
shadow minnow
It depends on the card, but on palit they are really bad
sharp badger
The Galax cards looks interesting with the extra fan on the back
shadow minnow
Nvidia fe May be only card with just multi layer capacitors on the back of the pcb under GPU due
Which is good for the FE
shadow minnow
Gigabyte used to have 3 HDMIs but no more 
sharp badger
Watched the Gamersnexus teardown
astral haven
hof ln2 hype
shadow minnow
I want to see buldzoid opinions on cards before considering them
sharp badger
Yeah need to look at reviews
ashen spindle
mh yes, listen to LN2 opinions when you run minecraft and fortnite on water on it, that'll surely make sense
astral haven
the hof ln2 has been the top card of every generation since the 980ti
astral haven
mh yes, listen to LN2 opinions when you run minecraft and fortnite on water on i...
no, the ln2 is a special model
shadow minnow
mh yes, listen to LN2 opinions when you run minecraft and fortnite on water on i...
He is talking about everything not just LN2
50 minute videos per card with everything
ashen spindle
no, the ln2 is a special model
wasnt about that model inr eference
shadow minnow
I really liked how 20 series waterforce wbs from gigabyte looked
astral haven
wasnt about that model inr eference
sharp badger
Is there any video of the Hof card?
astral haven
this is the 3090 hof
shadow minnow
Gamerock card produces more heat at 600A than FE at 800A
astral haven
this is the 3090 hof
look at the absolute capacitance of this unit tho
i think they renamed it the hof ocl tho a few gens ago but 🤷
astral haven
no
shadow minnow
No I said that wrong
The VRM of the gamerock card produces more heat at 600A than vrm of FE at 800A
shadow minnow
The card isn’t most expensive but more expensive than FE
And only thing that’s better is memory VRMs which are already good enough on FE
ashen spindle
based on google cache it was listed for the same price as FE
shadow minnow
Well even for same price it sucks
astral haven
🤷 welcome to aibs
ashen spindle
I wouldnt say it sucks based on it just using worse vrm, the cooler is still performing better so for most people it would be a better option
why?
astral haven
"all previously certified DisplayPort 2.0 products including UHBR (Ultra-high Bit Rate) capable products – whether GPUs, docking station chips, monitor scalar chips, PHY repeater chips such as re-timers, or DP40/DP80 cables (including both passive and active, and using full-size DisplayPort, Mini DisplayPort or USB Type-C connectors) – have already been certified to the stricter DisplayPort 2.1 spec."
its not a thing
its like usb 3.2 5gbps
ashen spindle
yeah its supposedly helping cable length as the one thing that stood out to me
@shadow minnow told you it'll be a thing and just be minor changes and not double bandwidth
cursive summit
Wait a second
The USB-C has higher bandwidth than the actual DP connector
Or what
shadow minnow
Yeah so it’s almost just a rename
astral haven
displayport 1.3 introduced it
shadow minnow
Same for HDMI 8k60
ashen spindle
visually lossless compression*
ashen spindle
also HDMI has a fee attached to it, its not an open standard
astral haven
and yea displayport compression is possible to be lossless where hdmi cant yet afaik
you need subsampling
shadow minnow
DP 2.1 UHBR 20 >>> HDMI 2.1
HDMI 2.1 >> DP 1.4
HDMI 2.1 > DP 2.0 UHBR 10
ashen spindle
and dp2.0 can do 80
astral haven
just buy the monitor depending on what you need lel
astral haven
yea but I want high refresh rate and high resolution
4k240hz no chroma bs is goated
shadow minnow
Yeah then it really doenst matter
astral haven
any game with dlss 😛
astral haven
spoken like a true 1080p user
astral haven
"Update 1/6: HDMI Forum has notified us that the HDMI 2.1 uses DSC 1.2 compression for everything higher than 8K with 4:2:0 chroma sub sampling."
shadow minnow
HDMI could probably do max 8k45 8bpc without compression
ashen spindle
or, just use compression when needed since so far people are not able to see a difference
astral haven
the argument was use hdmi bc no compression needed lel
shadow minnow
Which is indeed incorrect
ashen spindle
oh yeah, just like to keep pointing it out 😛
shadow minnow
Does HDMI have DSC?
astral haven
yep
shadow minnow
Oh then it’s visually lossless too nvm
ashen spindle
astral haven
dsc 1.2 same as dp 1.4
shadow minnow
Thought since anything above 8k is 4:2:0 it may only have chroma subsampling
astral haven
subsampling isnt really considered compression
shadow minnow
But since that’s not the case technically HDMI 2.1 does allow you to go higher than DP 1.4 both with compression
astral haven
afaik no it doesnt
dont think hdmi is certifying any 4k240hz monitors yet
gotta remember hdmi only allows specific things to be certified
astral haven
it could if it was allowed to
shadow minnow
True
But if it was could go up to 8k135
While DP could do 8k90
Which both are pretty high
With DLSS 8k gaming is far from impossible too
Saw someone testing it, even without DLSS on high details most games were playable (above 30)
astral haven
i have forgotten to try gaming at 8k240hz downsampled
god i really cant wait for reprojection based "dlss 3"
valve and occulus both have separately proven they can actually do input latency less than frametime, we just need that on flatscreen
30 fps at 8k is actually fine in a lot of games
mouse to photon delay
except in this case its more head movement to photon delay
yes which is why i said input latency
and in beatsaber my mean is 0ms
except the location of the controllers is where my hands are +-2ms from 0ms
nope
you dont understand
it predicts where my hands will be based on how long it took the previous frame to render and where my hands have been moving
then the computer renders the frame as it would be in the future
and it works insanely well
also this isnt correct
i use index so my controllers are 60hz absolute positioning and 240hz relative positioning
20-40ms is assuming just absolute positioning
the relative positioning is significantly faster
also 60hz does mean mean latency without timewarp is at least 8ms
yes
sharp badger
https://store.cablemod.com/cablemod-12vhpwr-right-angle-adapter/ Well cablemod seem to release a new adapter
astral haven
looks like it takes 20ms to complete a scan, and 20ms to reset, so its 25hz scan rate
because thats just the spatial positioning
remote solar
I'm trying to modify wooting one to make it sound better🤔
astral haven
the overall system latency is 2ms with a report rate of 1000hz including the imu
wheat plume
Orange Pi 800 vs Raspberry Pi 400
Funny, the 800 comes with only 4GB ram while the 400 comes with 8gb
astral haven
lighthouse tracking is the same for head and wands/knuckles
you have a reflex monitor?
sharp badger
Orange Pi 800 vs Raspberry Pi 400
Funny, the 800 comes with only 4GB ram while ...
Interesting 🤔
wheat plume
People really be wanting ON EAR headphones to have noise cancelling
.-. that aint a thing
halcyon moss
an ssd of course
ashen spindle
still an SSD
ashen spindle
I mean, you can get 8tb ssds lmao
halcyon moss
ok, and on your internet speed
cursive summit
People really be wanting ON EAR headphones to have noise cancelling
?
Tf are you talking about
On ears haver noise cancelling
wheat plume
wat
halcyon moss
which country, which currency
halcyon moss
why the f do you say 100-150 DOLLAR ? :p
astral haven
https://electronics.sony.com/audio/headphones/all-headphones/p/wh1000xm5-b
thats over not onear
cursive summit
How is noise cancelling limited to in-ears
wheat plume
Those are OVER ears, Vexx
halcyon moss
i'd go for the ssd personally
astral haven
yes
ashen spindle
I have 4 atm
halcyon moss
hdds are so sloooow
ashen spindle
adding new ssds when the older ones reach limits and since I get them after time they get cheaper
my 2tb one cost me as much as the original 256gb one
halcyon moss
no theyre not bad, for storage :p
astral haven
for games they are not good at all
halcyon moss
but for anything interactive and where you want fast asser streaming.. ssd rules
astral haven
overpriced
its good but you can get the same for cheaper 99% of the time
the wd black sn750 is a very solid bet and usually 30% cheaper at least
ashen spindle
just select an eu country on pcpartpicker if you use that side already to find option
crisp granite
Estonian != nordic
you said that before
rip the bandaid off now
you're baltic
go spend the time with the weird latvians and lithuanians
quite a while back lol
also could you ship me a bottle of Laua Viin
shit's mad expensive here for whatever reason
not a filthy yank
yep
lol
astral haven
yea you need to be in the us for that
crisp granite
even Kanuckistani don't really get great prices on hardware
:|
300 CAD for a 2TB M.2
nice
Kanuckistan?
the People's democratic republic of?
astral haven
🍁