🔌│tech

[stark bobcat]

There are great vr games I just I wish there were more of them

[pale sigil]

@ashen spindle

[ashen spindle]

hm

oh

already closed it

too many buzzwords

[pale sigil]

Omgggggggg

Is this a new game or the shitty ps demo

[stark bobcat]

licenced games are known to always be great

[pale sigil]

TBf they’ve been getting good

[astral haven]

what

[pale sigil]

Or do you mean vr games

[astral haven]

the good ones are just about the same
but the bad ones have gotten alot worse

in general

[fickle ore]

I'm prob gonna get 7hz diokos

I wanna test planar iems, never heard even planar headphones

[astral haven]

get yoself some 400se's

[crisp granite]

oh wow

a game I wanted to play on SteamVR getting an official release date on a meta event

[pale sigil]

LCD looL

[crisp granite]

bruh

[crisp granite]

they just dumped the hot shit

can't wait for deckard

[vivid vine]

Everybody is doing early early black Friday deals

[pale sigil]

Very sceptical

With these facial things

[ashen spindle]

quest pro is not aimed at consumers anyway

[pale sigil]

The videos don’t come across like that

[ashen spindle]

if thats the case maybe they try to get more revenue going idk

but quest 3 would be the consumer thing to look at

[cursive summit]

What is this

Oculus new goggles

[pale sigil]

Ye

[crisp granite]

THAT PRICE THO

did they just make the index the budget option?

[ashen spindle]

wait

let me guess

1599

[pale sigil]

Did I miss the price

[crisp granite]

100 less

[pale sigil]

Also index doesn’t remotely compete

[crisp granite]

1500 quid for you britbongs

[ashen spindle]

ah knew I should've said 1500

300 for the new controllers

I mean that matches up with the leaks so all according to keikaku

[crisp granite]

pretty funny

just gotta be patient
Steam will reveal deckard officially soon

[crimson wigeon]

copium overdose

[crisp granite]

they posted a new job opening to...basically do VR headset development

[ashen spindle]

surely they wont wait till 2023 to launch when quest 3 comes, surely they will launch it this year

https://tenor.com/view/copium-meme-pepe-frog-gif-26117735

[crisp granite]

yeah, get me the naloxone before I start spazzing on the floor and choking on my vomit

[astral haven]

Might announce
Launch?
No dice

[ashen spindle]

I'll take it

[crisp granite]

I'm genuinely expecting something like the steam deck

announce, open up reservations
start shipping way later

[astral haven]

What gave it away?
The name?

Steam DeckARD

[crisp granite]

I mean in terms of how it's rolled out initially

not...that ffs

damn
Meta doing something right

office suite on meta's vr work environment

[astral haven]

full fat or 365 online...

[crisp granite]

I can become one with the spreadsheet
if I feel like selling my soul

[pale sigil]

We are allowed legs now

[crisp granite]

[astral haven]

vast improvement lel

[crisp granite]

no
I want my leg privileges revoked

I want to be a floating torso

[pale sigil]

Meta avatars are coming to zoom lol

[shadow minnow]

[pale sigil]

Hahahahahahaha

[shadow minnow]

That looks like 200- wii sports avatars

lol avatar store ofc

[crimson wigeon]

Yeah is that even NFTs

[shadow minnow]

No it’s just a bad thing roblox and mc bedrock does

[pale sigil]

Vrchat has better model support lol

[astral haven]

vrchat probably wont make as much money from their models lel

[astral haven]

right spy glasses

[pale sigil]

Emg

[ashen spindle]

hmmm looks like we might have some rdna3 info tomorrow leaked into an article

thats gonna be fun if its true

[thick elk]

We Shall see

[shadow minnow]

It would make sense before new nvidia gen starts selling

Especially if amd has card that can compete quite well with nvidias high end

[astral haven]

tomorrow is when nvidia starts selling tho?

[ashen spindle]

I said leak not official info lmfao

the official day is Nov 3

[shadow minnow]

Yes but it’s around same time

[shadow minnow]

Well the leak can be kinda purposeful

Or well info supplied

Tbf probably wasn’t

But like if amd has cheaper card that performs about as well as 4090 and has DP 2.0 then it makes sense to try to discourage potential buyers from buying 4090s

[astral haven]

the problem is amds idea of performing about as well is generally about 1 tier lower

[shadow minnow]

They are starting to catch up

RDNA 2 was pretty close

Coming from a person with 11900k

[astral haven]

rdna2 was also el cacheyboi

[shadow minnow]

But it worked

And was cheaper too

[astral haven]

they cant just el cacheyboi again

ada is cached up the wazoo

[ashen spindle]

no point in arguing about it, we have different views and know it so we'll see when its out

[shadow minnow]

I mean we can speculate

Ngl I don’t think amd will be far behind

[ashen spindle]

I mean by definition the same performance is being looked at differently from us 3 so no big point for that xD

[astral haven]

i think my agreement with that statement hinges mostly on what is considered far behind lel

[shadow minnow]

But also, why is 6950XT so far of in cyberpunk?

[ashen spindle]

ray tracing probably

[shadow minnow]

It was off

Yet it was like half the fps at 4K in ltt video

[ashen spindle]

yeah but so was dlss supposedly

[shadow minnow]

Like with RT would make sense

But this is RT off

[astral haven]

cyberpunk has areas with gigantor assets

if they were in city and there were enough things around to overwhelm the cache on rdna2 then thats what it is

[shadow minnow]

May be I suppose

[ashen spindle]

thats also the graph that doesnt make sense and people think they forgot to turn off dlsss because other reviews didnt get that big of a leap

[shadow minnow]

Possible but with 3090 and ti difference is still huge

[astral haven]

the 3090 does alot better than that with dlss on tho

the 4090 may have dlss on but idk

[ashen spindle]

no my point is if they forgot dlss this mgiht be wiht rT

[shadow minnow]

1% lows twice as high as 3090 ti avg

[ashen spindle]

anyway, place your bets where navi31 will land on this one, that will be interresting

[shadow minnow]

That’s a hard question

75

I would rather place my bets on non RT too

[astral haven]

its very possible it was rt on yea

but again
non rt ultra settings are pain already...

[ashen spindle]

I'll say 100

[astral haven]

https://tpucdn.com/review/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4090-founders-edition/images/cyberpunk-2077-3840-2160.png
tpu has lower results with rt off tho

[crisp granite]

assuming AMD can do what NVidia did as far as generational performance uplifts, I'd say more than 100

kinda doubt that though tbh

[astral haven]

the problem is both of them have already played the bigboi cache card

now we shall see if biggerboi caches help with rdna3

[shadow minnow]

They probably used different settings or setups

Considering that even 3090 ti performed worse for them

[astral haven]

or were just standing in different areas

[shadow minnow]

Maybe seconds go at different speed there

[astral haven]

uh

you obviously havent played the game lel

[wheat plume]

My sister is generating AI photos of thicc Latina women

[astral haven]

you can be driving down the street and see the framerate lower as you get closer to more buildings

[wheat plume]

Yanno
A regular activity

[crisp granite]

yeah

that's a normal activity

[shadow minnow]

No

[crisp granite]

just like misspelling "activity" because someone's been drinking wine again

[wheat plume]

It's really good at it...

[crisp granite]

butterfingles

[ashen spindle]

cmon take a guess where you think N31 ends up here @astral haven

[astral haven]

my cop out answer is between 3080 and 4090 lel

[ashen spindle]

smh

who does a cop out when you dont even lose anything if youre wrong

[gusty kiln]

134

[crisp granite]

r34

[astral haven]

🤷 my crystal ball isnt giving me anything good to go on

[crisp granite]

[gusty kiln]

[crisp granite]

it's defective
push it's head in and get a new one

[ashen spindle]

so roll a d200 then, simple

[astral haven]

glass cracking noise
wither spawn noise is worldwide

[fair gull]

get a 200sided pencil to roll

[chrome estuary]

i assume omega mart?

[ashen spindle]

oh btw seems like the LTT test in cyberpunk had some dynamic scaling on, so for the other cards its normal RT results for the 4090 it's something else lol

[astral haven]

yea that would make sense

[pale sigil]

[ashen spindle]

oh and the 4090 is great for ethereum mining

[ashen spindle]

makes about 50cent a day

[gusty kiln]

8.8 years to pay for itself at that rate

[ashen spindle]

yeah if you have magic free electricity

[pale sigil]

Don't hate me

[gusty kiln]

Use your neighbor's outlet

[cursive summit]

OO

https://mobile.twitter.com/Kepler_L2/status/1579873393599709184

Kepler (@Kepler_L2)

@JirayD @Kirby0Louise We'll know all the juicy details tomorrow.

Twitter · Oct 11, 2022, 4:35 PM

RDNA3 info so soon?

[astral haven]

its not hate
its disappointment
except idk why or what for

[ashen spindle]

you're late

[cursive summit]

Soz I didn't scroll up

[ashen spindle]

thats a crime punishable by death

[cursive summit]

Why is Lana not dead then

[ashen spindle]

and by death we mean you also get locked up in pleasents basement now

[shadow minnow]

I do

[cursive summit]

Interesting that Greymon still reaffirms that there are 3 SKUs coming for X3D

[shadow minnow]

Or well disappointment is indeed a better word

[cursive summit]

And supposedly for sure this time around, mass production started

[pale sigil]

@shadow minnow I ain't getting an iphone anytime soon

[cursive summit]

Hopefully never

iPhone's ass

[shadow minnow]

Sadly

But iPad soon

[pale sigil]

I love the apple watch and im incredibly bias towards it

But

Not enough to get an iphone

[shadow minnow]

One day

[cursive summit]

But it does make sense for AMD to suddenly salt Nvidia's "victory" day by releasing insane early numbers and benchmarks of RDNA3

[wheat plume]

you need a samsung phone in order to use most of the features on a samsung watch ;-;

[cursive summit]

It's like "You are buying this shit? Wait a month for better perf for cheaper"

[shadow minnow]

@pale sigil have a Samsung?

[ashen spindle]

more likely an article with leaks coming not amd offical data

[pale sigil]

Nope

[cursive summit]

Kepler isn't really affiliated with any publication, right?

[ashen spindle]

after all the 4080 is also coming november so its not like amd needs to hurry and get info out

[shadow minnow]

Anyways can’t blame apple for not supporting android with Apple Watch since Samsung and Google now does the same when it comes to iOS watch support

[pale sigil]

@wheat plume modded apks to the rescue

https://www.xda-developers.com/how-to-use-samsung-galaxy-watch-4-with-non-samsung-phone/

[wheat plume]

o

[astral haven]

yes but apple watches cant get notifications or firmware updates at all
galaxy watches do at least that

[wheat plume]

TIL Commodore named a Joystick controller the "Cheetah Annihilator"

Sony were playing Blackjack
And in their hand, they got a King and an Ace
But then they are like "yeah know what, hit me"
Sony's handling of the PS Vita

[shadow minnow]

Wait this is the actual design?

[wheat plume]

huh
?

design of what?

[final flame]

I'd assume of the phone or the ui

[wheat plume]

Yea, its the design of the phone
I think it looks really nice tbh

[final flame]

it probably looks worse than it should since it looks like the photos been downscaled so much

[shadow minnow]

Just the back cameras remind me so much of the leaked iPhone 14 pro “notch” design

[wheat plume]

it looks more refined the the Pixel 6 series

[wheat plume]

this is the 6 Series

[final flame]

Alright I need a new phone, what would ya'll recommend me
Minimum requirements
-Android
-Not a google phone
-256gb of storage minimum, or have a microsd
-Budget is around the flagship range so about 1000usd

[astral haven]

fairphone 4

what niceties do you want is the question

[wheat plume]

gosh damn, those specs are nicer than Id have expected

[final flame]

camera I could care less about, I mostly care about storage and battery life

[astral haven]

yea dont see a problem with the fairphone then unless you want snappy

[gusty kiln]

how do you feel about chinese phones

[wheat plume]

That CPU is fairly snappy though, it seems to be stock android

[final flame]

they're fine

[indigo delta]

Chinese phones are fine. Xiaomi, oppo, vivo. They're absolutely usable

[gusty kiln]

they do make nice hardware

software is a different story depending on the person

[wheat plume]

Yeah, I got sick of MIUI eventually

But damn the phones are nice to use and hold

[gusty kiln]

shame oneplus went to shit

[wheat plume]

right!?

[indigo delta]

Chinese phones are the reason why there are less and less phone thieves. Because the thieves can already afford their own smartphones

[astral haven]

its a 750g and its 60hz

[wheat plume]

yeah, 750G is perfect for not gaming

[astral haven]

it doesnt have any fast cores...

only kryo 570s

[gusty kiln]

well samsung is the basic bitch answer, but they are good

[final flame]

the fairphone looks good so far

[wheat plume]

Good luck having two apps that do the same thing installed for all the basics

if you use samsung

Two browsers, two galleries, two email clients

[gusty kiln]

I actually like samsung internet over chrome

[astral haven]

🤷 you arent required to click on them

[indigo delta]

Lmaoooo i have samsung s9+

[astral haven]

and you can mostly get rid of them with just a modicum of effort

[final flame]

I really don't play mobile games at all, if I do I have a ipad for that, or they're not very intensive games

[gusty kiln]

fairphone + framework laptop

[indigo delta]

My mom buys phones for fun and she gave me a spare xiaomi note

[wheat plume]

I wonder would it last playing through this entire playlist

[final flame]

The replaceable battery is very nice, definitely would be using that

[gusty kiln]

fairphone looks good if you're not a power user

[wheat plume]

yeah

[final flame]

It'll definitely be a option

[astral haven]

https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/Fairphone+4+Battery+Replacement/152861
the heck do you mean "moderate" difficulty lmao

[gusty kiln]

256GB is 650 Euros

[astral haven]

and micro sd...

[wheat plume]

Moderate

30 seconds to 1 minute

LOL

[astral haven]

you literally can complete it toollessly if you have long enough fingernails

[wheat plume]

yep

[astral haven]

or accidentally if you drop the phone too hard lel

[gusty kiln]

wasn't saying it was a bad price, just stating a fact

[astral haven]

point is the 128gb model can turn into a 1152gb model for under 650 eur total

well idk msd card pricing in eu but in the us its gonna be under a hundo for 1tb

[gusty kiln]

they aren't know for any software, so I doubt they can even touch wooting

[deep wind]

bet wooting kb will be better

but they will sell it within a few minutes lol

[gusty kiln]

I'm actually more interesting in Fiios and Moondrop Amp+Dac+Keyboards

[wheat plume]

Would getting a Moondrop River be worth it?

[final flame]

Fiios kb just looks tacky imo

[gusty kiln]

it does

[final flame]

depends, if you're going to be using headphones maybe it would be worth, but for just iems not really

[gusty kiln]

https://nwzimg.wezhan.net/contents/sitefiles3600/18000638/images/6262390.jpg

didn't know this was a thing

[final flame]

moondrops kb is something I'd actually use, the only drawback is the keycaps

[gusty kiln]

yeah font is ugly

[final flame]

I'm assuming moondrop is also going to be using the moonriver inside it, which would be really cool

[astral haven]

if you want a fancy amp, first get a cx31993 to make sure it isnt just your headphone output

[final flame]

the only thing that finalmouse really has as a company is hype

[deep wind]

is fiio actually good? all of their products are looking cheap lol

[gusty kiln]

the supreme of the peripheral world

[final flame]

depends on the product

[wheat plume]

Embracing a wireless future

Shows wired iem

[gusty kiln]

lots of people like their DAPs

[final flame]

the high end daps are very nice

[stark bobcat]

They also claim lowest click latency which they didn't have

[final flame]

I'd stay away from fiio's lower end daps that use android

very stripped down android and battery life suffers

[gusty kiln]

yeah they're stuck on like android 8-9

[final flame]

nah like 5 and 6

[gusty kiln]

ooof

[astral haven]

depends which ones
but yea daps in general are rather oof

[final flame]

it's just the lower end android ones

the lower end ones that run their software are actually quite good

[astral haven]

yes but also rather annoying since you cant run apps like spotify or deezer

[gusty kiln]

so what phone you gunna get

[wheat plume]

It says that you need an iphone to see the remaining battery for their Bluetooth receiver
But it has a screen, why dont they show the battery life on the screen it has??

And why doesn't it work on Android? You can see battery life of wireless earbuds on Android without a problem

[astral haven]

because fiio is incompetent

[empty wren]

Apple first world problems

[wheat plume]

All their photos on the website use Xiaomi phones xd

So idk why this feature seeks iphone only

It looks neat though
Get high quality audio using your wired earphones over Bluetooth from your phone

[final flame]

the fairphone is a good option, I was also looking at options from oneplus and asus

[gusty kiln]

have asus kept their word on updates?

[wheat plume]

You may as well buy Oppo if you are considering OnePlus
It's basically the sake brand now

[astral haven]

yup
got one of these and they are pretty solid

[gusty kiln]

they also announce the BTR7 recently

[wheat plume]

The price isn't on the website
Which is usually a bad sign and means they cost a fuck ton

[astral haven]

130

[wheat plume]

Oh

Is there a cheaper one?

[gusty kiln]

btr3

[astral haven]

btr3k for 80

btr3 is eol 😦

[gusty kiln]

65 on amazon atm

[wheat plume]

Ah
I assume it doesn't have all the bt codecs though?

[astral haven]

btr3 does

[wheat plume]

Oo

[astral haven]

just less powaaaaa

[wheat plume]

For volume?

[empty wren]

Mostly yes, just only two major updates though which some people call a deal breaker

[wheat plume]

That's fine

[gusty kiln]

oh wow BTR7 is only 210

thought it would be like 300

[astral haven]

ew

[wheat plume]

So
The btr3 is basically as good as the btr5?

[astral haven]

i remember the btr7 power being extremely underwhelming

[astral haven]

until you run out of volume yea

[wheat plume]

I'm sure it can handle wired iems?

[gusty kiln]

what are you going to use it with?

[astral haven]

i can max out the btr3 with the er2xr

[gusty kiln]

yeah most IEM should be fine

[astral haven]

the er2xr are rather insensitive tho

[wheat plume]

I should probably buy better headphones instead of this thing
My headphones sound great but they aren't comfy ;_; they make my ears hurt and I have to constantly adjust them

[astral haven]

comfort more important than raw audio quality imo

[wheat plume]

My last pair were a nice balance of both

But these sound better

Sadly not comfy :/

[astral haven]

cals?

[gusty kiln]

that's why I use the old apple earpods 99% of the time

[wheat plume]

Hmmm?

[astral haven]

creative aurvana live?

[wheat plume]

My last pair hyperX Clouds 2
Current pair CoolerMaster MH752

[astral haven]

ah

[gusty kiln]

aren't those both based off of takstars?

[astral haven]

correctamundo

[wheat plume]

Ye

[gusty kiln]

man I remember the craze about them

[astral haven]

cloud ii are takstar 80
mh752 are pro 82

[wheat plume]

I like the design of the Mh752 better
It's nicer looking

And the CoolerMaster logo is really minimal

[gusty kiln]

can you only do closed back?

[astral haven]

and why no iems

[gusty kiln]

I'm a filthy earbud enjoyer

[astral haven]

not u

[gusty kiln]

kek nice

[astral haven]

yea
the mh752 look like headphones that you could use in public lel

[wheat plume]

Yep I have xd

[gusty kiln]

NR600?

[wheat plume]

My case? I think so

Wait no

Lemme find it one sec

[ashen spindle]

mfw I tell someone to check temperatures but they order a new pc and then 3 days later we finally figure out it was indeed temperatures

[gusty kiln]

damn

what gpu

[ashen spindle]

1080

[wheat plume]

https://www.coolermaster.com/catalog/cases/mini-tower/masterbox-nr400-with-odd/

[cursive summit]

https://youtu.be/TdjBlO7sO0g

[ashen spindle]

reeeepost

[cursive summit]

Rip 700$

[ashen spindle]

and no he didn't buy it it was a sample

[gusty kiln]

ahh the smaller one

[cursive summit]

Ah it seems there was another one with a longer link

[wheat plume]

Ye ye :D

[wheat plume]

Its funny how this is "small" when my previous PC was tiny AF

[gusty kiln]

itx?

[wheat plume]

Alienware Alpha

[cursive summit]

https://www.amazon.com/AMD-Ryzen-5900X-24-Thread-Processor/dp/B08164VTWH?

Oh god what on earth is that price

$334.99

Talk about value

The bundle isn't half ass either, a solid X570

[gusty kiln]

almost looks like one of them steam boxes

[wheat plume]

cause it is xd

[gusty kiln]

oh lol

[wheat plume]

They had to put windows 8.1 on it instead cause Valve wasnt ready yet

They also tossed in a free Xbox 360 controller

and like 6 free games

[gusty kiln]

man do you have a steam controller and the streaming dongle too?

[wheat plume]

I wish I had a Steam Controller

I have a Steam Deck though :D

And if Valve ever make headphones, I will probably buy them because Valve can make speakers sound incredible

[cursive summit]

Speakers and headphones don't have much in common

[shadow minnow]

Apple makes great speakers yet AirPods Max are very questionable

By great I mean by most considered literally best laptop speakers

[wheat plume]

yeah but if they can pull that off with speakers, then headphones would be great

• all their games have incredible sound design and quality

[shadow minnow]

What if the headphones are like the steamdeck screen though

[cursive summit]

I think I'll be a devil's advocate and say

There is no place for Valve in headphone world

[wheat plume]

Yeah, probably not

[cursive summit]

Hi-Fi is filled

Earbuds? Eh, go for it

Most of them are shit

[wheat plume]

But id love to see what they could come up with

[shadow minnow]

Well with enough influence that forms matter tbf

It’s not about people needing your product

It’s about them thinking they need it

Or want it even

[ashen spindle]

there is one spot, make it something you can use as just headphones or as something you can use in vr

like a deluxe audio strap for the deckard but somehow also is usable on its own

[cursive summit]

Uhh

So.. headphones?

[shadow minnow]

And well earbuds aren’t the easiest area
AirPods Pro 2 have almost as many transistors as steamdeck

[ashen spindle]

yeah but ones taht aren't in the way or can fall of easy when doing heavy movement and are wireless

[shadow minnow]

I can imagine that ngl

[cursive summit]

Headphones that aren't in the way and are wireless are literally... wireless overears

[ashen spindle]

like I use my headphones with the rift because audio broke but its clearly not as comfortable since there is stuff in the way and all

[cursive summit]

Like the Airpods Max that Bexin loves so much

[shadow minnow]

I don’t

I literally said they weren’t good

[cursive summit]

I know you don't

[shadow minnow]

Some reviewers say AirPods Pro 2 have better ANC than AirPods Max which sounds kinda crazy tbf

[cursive summit]

Call me when we can talk about REAL audio

When will sennies release next high end but budget headphone, I wonder

[ashen spindle]

well the thing is for conventional headphones the HMD straps are usually in the way in some way, if you want to take it off or so, so I simply think if they add good ones with their VR solutions they have a spot that others aren't going to fill

[cursive summit]

I never found my conventional headphones to ever be a problem when gaming in VR

Must be an issue with some specific devices

[shadow minnow]

I found that 200$ steelseries headsets have worse soundstage than most earbuds

[gusty kiln]

could probably somehow rig some koss headphones onto the VR headset

[cursive summit]

What you just mentioned are not even headphones

It's a disgrace to the market

[cursive summit]

So don't ever mention headsets

[shadow minnow]

See I needed a headset I could use for Xbox and phone wirelessly at once

Very few options

[ashen spindle]

I mean I said I use my headphones for vr now, it works, it just isn't ideal

[shadow minnow]

Steelseries arctis 9X and even worse options basically

[cursive summit]

Steelseries is the worst of the bunch

[shadow minnow]

Blame Microsoft for not allowing Xbox to use Bluetooth

[cursive summit]

The audio quality is worse than a 20$ IEM

[shadow minnow]

There were two competitors from the same brand that were so ugly I couldn’t use them anywhere where people would see me

Nothing else

[shadow minnow]

But well ^

[cursive summit]

The only headsets I'd feel comfortable recommending are prolly Senny's GSPs or whatever they are called

And one of the Clouds

Idk about that Astro company, wouldn't trust it

[shadow minnow]

For a while I’ll probably just use AirPods, most of the time I use one at a time, and ANC is extremely useful.

[cursive summit]

I want to see if some random place here locally has those new AirPods on playtest

The reviews seem.. stellar

And the graph signature looks like something I'd like

So, maybe Apple will make something good for once

Not like I'm buying shit from a conglomerate anyways

[astral haven]

unless you need the anc and tws you should just get some cra+

[cursive summit]

Did you have a stroke mid sentence or what

[astral haven]

?

that was complete

[cursive summit]

Cra+?

[astral haven]

thats the model

[cursive summit]

Taking headphone recommendations from this lad is dangerous

I trusted carmonben once, got the headphone he highly admired, and they were ass

Both me and Fleimi heavily disliked them

Basshead headphones

[misty saffron]

who would’ve guessed people have preferences

[astral haven]

🤷

also the pickings for closed back headphones that arent painful are slim

[cursive summit]

At that point it wasn't even preferences

The headphones were unusable

The bass was so harsh that not even EQ fixed them

[gusty kiln]

what were they?

[cursive summit]

NDH20s

[misty saffron]

they were actively trying to get off your head or what

[cursive summit]

I got lucky af with the fact that running them off of a phone starved them out

And the bass just went down

[gusty kiln]

I've only ever seen zeos talk about those headphones

[cursive summit]

When the bass isn't killing the damn sound, they're actually fairly nice

[gusty kiln]

like no other reviewers

[astral haven]

yea and they are one of like 3 closed back headphones that arent peaky

[cursive summit]

They released a new headphone pair recently

NDH30

From reviews, nothing great either

[astral haven]

🤷 the competition is muuuuuuch more fierce for open backs

[ashen spindle]

should've made NDH15 in collaboration with noctua

[astral haven]

lel

austria and germany arent too far apart

[astral haven]

again tho name better closed backs

[cursive summit]

I don't use closed backs, but my K371s were much better than the NDH20s

I bet the HD820s would be as well

[astral haven]

oh god no

[gusty kiln]

Shure 1540 seems alright

[astral haven]

the k371 are fucked tonality wise and the hd820 sound like wearing a fishbowl

[ashen spindle]

speaking of noctua, the next gen has been 4 quarters out for like 2 years, now its only 2, so maybe later next year we do see next gen nhd-15

[cursive summit]

The fuck are you smoking

I was using them for years and they are nigh perfect

The only drawback is they are not open back

[misty saffron]

great, the channel should be renamed to #r/audiophile

[gusty kiln]

audio is still tech

[ashen spindle]

it's just a phase

[gusty kiln]

[ashen spindle]

give it a night and you wake up to some linux screenshot again

[misty saffron]

the joke has flown over your head like the soundwaves

[astral haven]

🤷 if you have grown accustomed to the k371 then obviously you wont like more natural sounding stuff for a while...

[gusty kiln]

bad joke then

[cursive summit]

Natural is how things are supposed to sound

[misty saffron]

no i like my humor quite a lot

[astral haven]

natural tonality wise not natural signature wise

[cursive summit]

Dead neutral is fun, a slight bass boost and a treble spike isn't bad either

NDH20 was an atrocity in how it was nothing but overwhelming, harsh sounding bass

[astral haven]

natural not neutral

ndh20 is preference bass

its a solid -6 on 150 on a 10 band peq away from being also neutral

[gusty kiln]

https://crinacle.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/NDH-20-GRAS.jpg

I can see the dip at 2K be off putting to people

[cursive summit]

That's.. not how headphone graphs should look

[gusty kiln]

but the bass seems fine

[astral haven]

its not

that

thats probably without proper seal

[cursive summit]

Now this, is a graph

Most enjoyable headphones I've ever tried

[gusty kiln]

ASR and No theme audio also show a similar dip

[astral haven]

i dont mean 2k

i mean the bass

[cursive summit]

You can clearly see the major bass shelf lift

And the upper midrange dip doesn't help either

The bass for some reason is just so damn overwhelming

Again, starving them of power fixes the issue

[astral haven]

that also sounds wrong btw

[cursive summit]

Without power they can't properly bass, leaving a fairly beautifully sounding headphone

[astral haven]

they are extremely sensitive (for high end cans)

[cursive summit]

Since when is 400$ high end

[astral haven]

i consider anything over 100 to be high end audio wise

at least personal

[cursive summit]

Good, yeah

But I mean, at this point high end is like, 900+

[gusty kiln]

summit-fi is 5 figures

[astral haven]

imo high end just means over 10x the price of what a normal consumer would consider a normal price for midrange

at least for audio

[cursive summit]

In hi-fi imo mid-range starts with 100$ and end somewhere in 700

[gusty kiln]

plenty of people buy airpods pro

[cursive summit]

After 700 it's high-end ish headphones

[astral haven]

you said it yourself lmao

hifi

[cursive summit]

I am here with my 120$ K702s and I think they are top of the world

Mainly cause nothing seems to sound better than these lads yet

Still, with market offerings, hifi high end is like 700$ up

[astral haven]

https://reference-audio-analyzer.pro/en/param6.php?&frhz=4000&ls=2&idmain=2859&titplace=1&tit_head=3&tit_graph=6&tit_channel=2&cl0=%2303304F&cl1=%23094A78&cl2=%235c94bc&cl3=%23000000&cl4=%23dd6565&cl5=%23BB0303&cl6=%237B0101&cl2_0=%23BB0303&cl2_1=%23094A78&cl2_2=%23029602&cl2_3=%23BB6B03&cl2_4=%238E2424&cl2_5=%231B415B&cl2_6=%231D711D&style0=1&style1=1&style2=1&style3=0&style4=1&style5=1&style6=1&idhp0=2859&idhp1=2859&idhp2=2859&idhp3=2859&idhp4=2859&idhp5=2859&idhp6=2859&idclev0=-36&idclev1=-24&idclev2=-12&idclev3=0&idclev4=12&idclev5=24&idclev6=36&type_test0=0&type_test1=0&type_test2=0&type_test3=0&type_test4=0&type_test5=0&type_test6=0#gsc.tab=0

Unfortunately that link is fully nescessary for the data

https://reference-audio-analyzer.pro/en/report/hp/neumann-ndh-20.php#gsc.tab=0
Base report

[gusty kiln]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L34S4Tt1EuQ

Classic

[astral haven]

they peaky or sommat?

[gusty kiln]

https://www.stereophile.com/images/Ultrasone_Ed10_graph_fr.jpg

the graph is literally giving you a middle finger

[astral haven]

jesus h christ

my current favorite audio setup besides btr3 + mh755 is he400se with grilles removed, -1 at 200hz and +6 at 56hz (both q1)

but my main recommendation these days is the cra+ and cx31993 combo
spend the $30 and dont worry about it

[gusty kiln]

@vivid vine https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63djtVjplQU

have you seen this?

built in wrist rest

[wheat plume]

Oh gosh....

I hate that

[frozen ingot]

unironically using a weeaboo mousemat

[sudden glacier]

mousepad is i believe merch from mouse-aiming community

but yes very weeby

[wheat plume]

This thing looks so dodgy

Wall plug to atx

[frozen ingot]

yeah don't use that

[wheat plume]

This thing is so cool though!!

[frozen ingot]

wouldn't let that thing near any computer in my possession

I spot YM sound chip

is that an amiga clone or something

[misty saffron]

oh that’s why i’ve been getting 8 bit guy’s videos recommended recently

[wheat plume]

It's a spiritual successor to commodores last 8 bit computer

[misty saffron]

i’ve noticed youtube promotes channels if they have a scheduled upload

[wheat plume]

C185 or wtf the last number is

[wheat plume]

Yep... Big time

[misty saffron]

oh so you’ve also noticed it

[frozen ingot]

shame 8 bit guy is a douche canoe

[wheat plume]

Yep

[wheat plume]

What

[misty saffron]

good to know i’m not crazy then

[frozen ingot]

he gets stuff wrong a lot, and covers/does work on things he's really not qualified for, like when he fried that super rare ibm prototype trying to "fix" it

also he's an open carry advocate, as a cherry on top

[misty saffron]

he puts out the funniest boomer shit on facebook

[frozen ingot]

that's distilled cringe right there

[misty saffron]

i personally don’t care, he never talks politics on his channel

[wheat plume]

Yeh

He doesn't

[frozen ingot]

true, but there's better channels out there covering his kind of content

imo

[wheat plume]

Gosh damn this thing has amazing audio

[misty saffron]

also this gem

[frozen ingot]

damnit man its too much

[misty saffron]

god bless apple for text search in pictures

[frozen ingot]

https://tenor.com/view/cringe-when-the-cringe-is-too-strong-when-the-cringe-the-cringe-memes-gif-13897693

[misty saffron]

wouldn’t have found it otherwise

[wheat plume]

Apple
🤢

[frozen ingot]

like I use an iphone, but why tf would you show your support for a shitty multibillion dollar tech company that doesn't give a shit about you or consumers in general

[misty saffron]

genuinely great feature

[frozen ingot]

apple image search so sophisticated it'll dig out the cringe in no time

[misty saffron]

no, apple’s feature searches for text in photos

[wheat plume]

Yeah that's pretty neat

I hate the small af text in the battery though

But they don't have room on the side :/

[misty saffron]

i’ve grown to not care about it

not sure why they haven’t outlined the numbers though

but i’m on a beta so

[wheat plume]

Actually opening the screenshot in full screen it's not that bad

Native super Mario Bros

Woo

[misty saffron]

apple’s algorithm however thinks i’m 2 different people

[wheat plume]

Wat

[misty saffron]

the photos app lets you filter pictures by certain people

and i see no rhyme or reason to how they select which alter ego is on a picture of myself

apple please

[wheat plume]

Xxxddd

Shopping carts are the best vehicle

Duh

[stark bobcat]

this is not yours right?

[final flame]

after doing some research the fairphone isn't available in north America, and even if you can get it, most carriers won't support it

[wheat plume]

No

[gusty kiln]

damn

[latent mural]

hey i need help for remapping my keys
it doesnt work
i want to use my "H" for my Mouse 4 or 5.. but doesnt work

i can not see any wrong

[astral haven]

Switch to TMobile lel

[frozen ingot]

works fine for me, did you make sure to save to keyboard

[latent mural]

how can i save my keyboard

is not automaticly?

[final flame]

in Texas thats not a option lol

[astral haven]

Ripperino

Yea they have the most towers here in ca

[final flame]

you're killing yourself if you use anything other than at&t here, they have basically a monopoly

[wheat plume]

There should be a save button near the top right

[astral haven]

Oh yea then you'll need to get a phone from them lel

[frozen ingot]

top right corner in wootility should have a button labelled save to keyboard, if you make any changes to your profile you'll have to click that for them to take effect

[latent mural]

hmm?

[frozen ingot]

you need to drag that profile up to any of the 4 slots up left

[latent mural]

ah

ok

[frozen ingot]

those are the on-board keyboard profiles

[latent mural]

i try

[wheat plume]

Seems the translating is off a little

Some areas are still English

[frozen ingot]

yeah that looks a bit patchy

[wheat plume]

Why is there a l337 speak preset? Xd

[latent mural]

i really need help

can u guys join vc pls

[frozen ingot]

you just drag and drop that Rp profile from the lower list to any of the upper 4 ones, click save to keyboard and you should be rolling

[latent mural]

i dod

did

but my keyboard wont let me typing

[wheat plume]

I think there should be a save button somewhere

[frozen ingot]

if it still won't work I can't really help you further

[latent mural]

after changing profile

[wheat plume]

But it's not in the screenshots

[latent mural]

now i cant typ

[wheat plume]

Oh
It's there now

Perfect

[latent mural]

but my keyboard is not working xdd

[frozen ingot]

should work to type fine apart from those two buttons you rebound to mouse keys

[wheat plume]

That makes sense
No need to save to keyboard if the profile isn't added to the list of 4

[frozen ingot]

I'd try restarting the keyboard/system and see if the problem persists

if it does make a post in #1019755933959733258

[frozen ingot]

you literally can't save to keyboard if it isn't

[wheat plume]

Yes xd

Was wondering why the save button was missing
I'm dumb

[latent mural]

now my 60he is broken now gg

[misty saffron]

oh nice they improved the ux on wootility

[latent mural]

i paid a lot for this

[misty saffron]

good shit

[frozen ingot]

like I said, try restarting and/or changing profile

if neither works #1019755933959733258

[wheat plume]

Make a new post here

[frozen ingot]

if wootility can reckognize and communicate with the keyboard its likely not broken, might just need to be restored at worst

[wheat plume]

Yeah .. That's a safe bet

[frozen ingot]

but yeah make a post in #1019755933959733258 and try to explain the issue best possible and hopefully wooting staff should be able to help out sometime later today

[latent mural]

ok now it works

[misty saffron]

i call disabled digital input

[wheat plume]

What did you do that fixed it? @latent mural

[wintry ice]

Hola to those still awake. I have a little question to you regarding how you find current implementation of analog movement (e.g. isn't it too sensitive, jittery, etc). I find it too sensitive and not quite comparable with actual gamepads. I've reported the issue to devs, but now I am curious about what is other people' take on this. Ideally, I would like you to reed through this: https://github.com/WootingKb/wootility-issues/issues/172

And then maybe someone would create a poll? Maybe, if I am not the only one who is somewhat disappointed by the current implementation of analog movement devs would consider doing something about it?

[misty saffron]

use the analog curves in wootility

otherwise, there is no possible solution

When you hold W and D buttons pressed, you move at 45 degree angle at full speed, whereas I expect to move right at full speed.

wait what

[wintry ice]

You only have 4mm travel distance. Curves only make it worse. If you add easing, the key becomes even more sensitive midtravel.

[astral haven]

Uh
I use the curve that is sorta an inverse log curve where it's most sensitive near the bottom of the travel

[stark bobcat]

This could be a racing game

I have a similar thing in rocketleague

[frozen ingot]

being able to adjust the response curve for different games is super useful imo

[stark bobcat]

I really wish there were more points on the analogue curve

But I don't think anyone cares

[frozen ingot]

that'd be nice but I'd like different curves per key even more

even if it was limited to a few keys only

[stark bobcat]

Well tbh I have given up on my wish becoming reality but hey 🤷‍♂️ maybe a miracle will happen

[frozen ingot]

I'd rather be able to set different curves per key and/or having more detailed curves than having an extra 20 advanced keys on ARM over the AVR

I can't think of a case where I'd even use up the 20 you already got with AVR

[wintry ice]

This would make analog movement less jittery in literally every game. Proof: try drawing 180 degree arch here using analog mode and half-radius (half speed): https://gamepad-tester.com/

[stark bobcat]

Yeah same and tbh the curve presets don't even have all the imo viable types of curves because there simply are not enough points

[stark bobcat]

I don't disagree with your suggestion from what I have read it sounds reasonable

[wintry ice]

The problem with curves is that they reduce sensitivity for initial, say, 2 mm of travel and make keys excessively sensitive for remaining 2 mm.

[frozen ingot]

even if its not possible hardware/memory-wise to have a unique curve for every key it would at least be nice having 2-3 different "curve profiles" active and choose x keys should use x profile

like one profile for up/down and another for left/right, as an example

[wintry ice]

why you need curves in the first place?

[frozen ingot]

it makes the limited key span a lot more usable

say in an fps where you can walk slowly by pressing a little and run pressing all the way, you can have the first 3mm be walk slowly and the final 4th one be run

so you don't have to be as featherweight on the keys to get the distinction

[stark bobcat]

Yesss

3 stepped curve would be my dream

Having to use 2 steps with the second step only on bottom out just feels like I am basically using a keyboard

[frozen ingot]

meanwhile in other games I want the response to be a lot more linear

and so I have that option as well

[wintry ice]

Are you referring to FPS games without analog movement and different functions at different actuation points?

[frozen ingot]

in a racing game you'd might want the throttle and brake to be more exponential, and the steering be more linear, or vice versa

[frozen ingot]

fps games that allows for gamepad/joystick movement and mouse/kb at the same time, I have the joystick emu on wasd and the rest being regular digital kb controls

the 2-in-1 mode that steelseries have sort of does the same thing, depending on whether the games have separate binds for walk and run that is, as an example

[stark bobcat]

Hmm dks can do that already right?

[frozen ingot]

but yeah I've found the curves to be very useful in catering the response to work as well as possible for individual games since all games respond a little differently in how the control mechanics are set up

yeah dks is quite similar but you can have up to 4 different keypresses rather than just 2

[wintry ice]

I got it. It seems like curves are indeed useful.

[frozen ingot]

I find it harder to setup and use properly in many cases though

also the curve window allows you to set deadzone and starting point for the curve as well, which I've also found very handy for some specific titles

[stark bobcat]

Also customising the input to your own preferences for me it's that I can not be consistent on 4mm of range on a linear or exponential curve so I need something stepped for consistentcies sake

[frozen ingot]

deep rock galactic for some reason doesn't respond to the first 1-2 or so millimeters in gamepad/joystick mode so I can "remove" that from the response curve and make it pretend like I've pressed 2mm already although I've only pressed like half a mm

the curve thing was what also lead to the whole trackmania "cheating" controversy since players could lock the input at like 35% pressed at 100% on the actual switch

[latent mural]

yes

thx

[frozen ingot]

so yeah you can outright "break" some games with tricks like that

[wintry ice]

Are those actually curves with bad graphical representation or just a sum o lines? E.g. in my mouse driver curves look something like this:

[stark bobcat]

It's kinda funny tho since he drove a better time on controller

[frozen ingot]

joystick still do give you a bit more precision than keys I reckon

[stark bobcat]

100%

[frozen ingot]

but having it on keeb is a good compromise

[stark bobcat]

Yeah they banned that now tho

[frozen ingot]

also what you're used to also plays a part, most people have been taught to slam keys all the way down for everything their whole lives

so readjusting that takes time

[frozen ingot]

that's the wooting curve, rather primitive with only 4 points

but it does the job for most part

[stark bobcat]

That's true but I don't see anyone being as precise on a 4 mm keyboard range as on a stick, stick is also more intuitive

[frozen ingot]

can also do things like that for the start/anti-deadzone

[wintry ice]

Regarding that proposal on GitHub. Is there anything that you immediately don't like? Because my proposal is exactly about this...

I remember that you don't disagree

[frozen ingot]

I'm all for suggestions and methods to further customize and improve the usability and response of the analog "joystick" mode

[stark bobcat]

Nah couldn't tell you didn't think too much about it since it doesn't affect me

I use analogue input for 1 game and 1 game only

And it doesn't apply to that one

[wintry ice]

Does it have analog movement or just a gamepad support?

[frozen ingot]

I don't know of any games that natively support analog input

I've had to go via xbox controller binds in every game I use it in so far

[stark bobcat]

Yeah a shame too since simultaneous input is fucked in so many games

[frozen ingot]

and many games outright don't support controller and mouse/kb simultaneously

[stark bobcat]

Luckily rocket league at least has the work around of just not using the mouse at all

Since it's only used for boost and jump and you can rebind them

Otherwise you get insane stutter with simultaneous input

[wintry ice]

I see. Any recommendations where I should mention the proposal to get some more feedback? I am gonna create a poll.

[frozen ingot]

#archived_wootility_feedback I suppose?

[wintry ice]

It is already on GitHub. I need player' perspective.

[frozen ingot]

or #🤖│community_dev maybe

[wintry ice]

Kk. TY.

[frozen ingot]

not sure tbh I don't frequent those threads much so I'm probably not the best guy to ask

[wintry ice]

I just opened discord first time in 4 years, anyone is good enough :)

[frozen ingot]

I'd be curious to see where it leads though, having more options to set things up in greater detail is never a bad thing

[wintry ice]

Ok. Here is the poll: https://forms.gle/XjRfvaHbqRK9CqYK6

[reef patrol]

Huehuehue... Apple's new crash sensors go off during rollercoaster rides, and since you're kind of busy actually automatically call 911 for you

[fair gull]

heavier springs are the solutuion not some convoluted way where you use 2 buttons for the job of 1

[fair gull]

at least thats my opinion

[magic crypt]

Been on loads of rollercoasters with my pixel's never once called the emergency services 😂

[reef patrol]

I wasn't aware Pixels had this. This is a feature in the newest iPhones.

[magic crypt]

You joking?

[ashen spindle]

about pixels having it or about iphones having it

[fair gull]

isnt it a feature since pixel 3?

aka apple stole another feature and made it their new innovation

[magic crypt]

That's why I asked if he was joking, the pixels have had it for like 3 years

[ashen spindle]

idk not something I cared about so I also wouldn't know about

then the question is did apple fail spectacularly or are pixels not covering certain potential cases

because I'd be curious how google avoids it being a false positive

@fickle ore the AW3423 is showing just 1 week till arrival now, maybe your regional dell store has them now

[reef patrol]

We don't get Pixels here - I have absolutely zero interest in the tech 😄

[magic crypt]

Zero interest in tech............you work for wooting 🤔

[ashen spindle]

thats not what he said

[magic crypt]

I know 😜 just winding him up

[reef patrol]

PHONE tech - Specifically what brands and models have what.

Or emergency stuff cause it won't work here anyway 😄

[magic crypt]

I'm guessing it works on the accelerometer to detect sudden decreases, it's most likely a bug in their code

[magic crypt]

Where do you live?

[ashen spindle]

yeah but how do you detect that its just a rollercoaster and not a car crash

[reef patrol]

Scandinavia.

[ashen spindle]

after all they do go above g forces that you experience in some car crashes

[reef patrol]

I assume through a LOT more AI data to detect whether it keeps going or is standstill. Most car crashes should end within 5-10, not go on for another minute.

[ashen spindle]

yeah something like that probably, would still be interresting to know how they make sure its not triggered on it, what about not an entire coaster but one of those towers that drop you down and that's it

manually added edge cases?

dont think we'll ever know but would be nice

[reef patrol]

Throw enough AI data at it and it will be mostly accurate I guess.

It was only 6 cases so far, so that either speaks to good data or not a lot of iPhone NU owners on rollercoasters yet I guess.

[cursive summit]

https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/y1uddf/did_no_one_question_this_result_before_they_post/

That does look hella sus result for 6950XT

[halcyon moss]

was already discussed before today

[reef patrol]

I have no idea what Livermixer is - But I love the trend of giving boards more colour.

[ashen spindle]

oh they do it in more colors than just orange, neat

[halcyon moss]

meh, its in a black box under my desk 😛

[reef patrol]

I miss my old Cyberpunk motherboard. Spent hours drybrushing the raw metal/plastic heatsinks and covers to make them look dirty and industrial.

[ashen spindle]

also its Live, not Liver xD

[reef patrol]

Not sure where that r snuck in tbh. Damn phone.

[reef patrol]

My old ASRock had these neat metal covers. Easy to grime up - Sadly I kind of uhh... dropped a waterblock into the socket and unalived the pins.

[indigo delta]

Helloooooo 4k 240

[fair gull]

so ure one of those people who dont put the cover on when removing the cpu

[reef patrol]

I was unscrewing the water block.

[fair gull]

what pins did u unalive

[reef patrol]

Case was standing upright. I was swapping out CPUs (5600X needed a BIOS update on old Ryzen first), and the old CPU popped out as soon as I loosened the water block, then I tried to grab the CPU and let go of the waterblock slightly and it rammed a metal corner into into the CPU socket pins.

[shadow minnow]

When trying to clean thermal paste I almost bent a pin but it was very easy to get back to position since it was just one pin

Still was pretty scary

[reef patrol]

Wait no. What the fuck am I saying - This was pre-5600X. It was an Intel Board of course.

8700K and 9900K swap gone horribly wrong. Which prompted me to BUY the 5600X

Had to ask my cousin to bring in his Ryzen PC I had built a month earlier to borrow his CPU for 5mins to get my 5600X running on new board.

[fair gull]

ah so u had the cpu out and didnt put the cover back on

[reef patrol]

I mean... yes. But the CPU yeeted itself before I had a chance to 😄

[shadow minnow]

All blame the duck

[fair gull]

how lol

[reef patrol]

Like I said...

[shadow minnow]

Well you would have lost even money with an amd cpu then

Since cpu would be broken

[fair gull]

intel cpus cant fall out

unless u open their retention bracket

[reef patrol]

They can when you're trying to swap them.

It wasn't supposed to just go YEET when I opened the bracket. But it did 😄

[fair gull]

why was the waterblock in a falldownable position lol

[shadow minnow]

Socket on mobos is at least reasonably replaceable usually

[reef patrol]

Because I was an idiot who wasn't expecting it to go wrong - Had done that many times previous. But was too lazy to lie case down.

[shadow minnow]

Draw us visual representation pls

[fair gull]

ah i c now

routine got the better of you

[shadow minnow]

Duck got too confident and eagle ate it

Basically

[reef patrol]

Standing up like dis. Unscrewed water block (still in the loop so dangling from above), loosen bracket, CPU goes BYE, I try and grab, and waterblock goes BONK 😄

[shadow minnow]

🥗🦅🦅

I should apply to art instead of engineering

[fair gull]

smh

duck u always follow protocol

[reef patrol]

On the bright side - Total cost of replace : Zero (Well the 5600X wasn't free but I sold the 9900K prototype for a nice buck)

[halcyon moss]

nice performance boost too!

(and powerusage reduction)

[reef patrol]

My 9900K was so fucking hot.

Which is why I had it - To punish coolers for reviews 😄

[ashen spindle]

aaaand 4090 FE is sold out

[cursive summit]

So, when are we getting the AMD news todayz

[shadow minnow]

Some 4090s still in stock in Czechia

[ashen spindle]

FE cards? doubt it

[shadow minnow]

Only asus has two hdmi 2.1s from them

[ashen spindle]

regular 4090 yes

[shadow minnow]

Non FE indeed, gonna check fe in a sec

FE doesn’t seem to be sold there this year

[stark bobcat]

Nvidia will nib this in the bud real quick I imagine

[ashen spindle]

so to the surprise to nobody dlss 3 does run on older cards against what nvidia said since they OFA is present on turing already

[halcyon moss]

nvidia being a dick? no wai

[shadow minnow]

Is there any advantage to getting an asus strix over tuf, or the OC editions?

[halcyon moss]

https://tenor.com/view/linus-torvalds-linus-nvidia-fuck-you-gif-19475186

[ashen spindle]

idk compare the models and where they differ and you know the answer

[stark bobcat]

I think strix will have better cooling and maybe a better bin but that one might be a bit unlikely also maybe better pcb

As in board as a whole

[shadow minnow]

I want to watercool it so better cooling is useless better bin nice

Though price wise pre waterblock Ed card would be nicer

[ashen spindle]

that will run you like 2400 so have fun

[shadow minnow]

Gigabyte pre AIO cards looks so nice this gen too

[shadow minnow]

Want to get a 4080 not 90

Also no would be cheaper

Looking at current pricing

Still too much

[ashen spindle]

then why are you asking now when the models arent out yet lmfao

[shadow minnow]

Okay from one store it just sold out lol

[ashen spindle]

yeah that is normal

thats the part that happens on every launch ever

[shadow minnow]

Well thing is there are only 3 stores in Czechoslovakia supposed to have any rn and only one actually listed them

Anyways gotta go now

[ashen spindle]

that is also normal, as you know from wooting stock, they mostly just have air freight stock around for now

and sea freight will come later with bigger volume

[astral haven]

Strix has 500w default 600w peak
Tuf has 450 default 600w peak

[shadow minnow]

Well it’s weird the bigger store that had them listed just prices not oficially listed longer ago didn’t get them and way smaller retailer did

[shadow minnow]

What about difference between OC and non OC variants?

[ashen spindle]

no he's asking about 4080 not 4090 variants

[shadow minnow]

Yes we don’t have these yet but I suspect it will be same kinda differences

[astral haven]

Check reviews 🤷‍♂️

[ashen spindle]

meta quest pro cant be sold in germany

because they are still ordered to a total stop of sales since they dont comply with regulations here

[astral haven]

Not a shocker

[stark bobcat]

🤷‍♂️

Facebook 🤮

[ashen spindle]

yeah I just completely forgot about it till I saw that headline lol

[astral haven]

Wireless is complicated regulatory wise

[ashen spindle]

oh no thats not it

they also cant sell regualr quest and all

[shadow minnow]

What regulations is the issue with?

[ashen spindle]

its because of you being forced to have an account

[stark bobcat]

Privacy related

[ashen spindle]

ya

[shadow minnow]

That’s Pog then

[ashen spindle]

abuse of monopoly

but them now only needing meta accounts could change that maybe, but the court hasnt done anything about that yet

[stark bobcat]

If only I had a bigger living space to play vr 😿

[ashen spindle]

do it outdoor

touch grass but stay online

[stark bobcat]

I love looking like a weirdo at Tempelhof

Great idea

[ashen spindle]

wont be worse than other weirdos and people will leave you alone

seems like win-win to me

[stark bobcat]

But then I'd have to buy a quest lol

I'd rather not

[ashen spindle]

deckard

[stark bobcat]

Whenever that arrives

[ashen spindle]

soon™

in valve time

[wheat plume]

Valve seem to be overloaded with Steam Deck stuff rn too

[ashen spindle]

not really related

[halcyon moss]

they cant possible have more than one hardware team!

[wheat plume]

xd

[whole abyss]

@iron coyote https://amzn.to/3yz8Pb0 Only kinda joking by sending you those 👀

[iron coyote]

Wonder how they compare to the KSC75 😄

[fickle ore]

@ashen spindle u mean there is resupply or what?

new model?

[ashen spindle]

nah supply is just keeping up with demand now

[fickle ore]

Christmas needs to come early 🙂

[final flame]

they're good

[fickle ore]

Just had to buy a fiber modem/router combowombo. Was thinking about going for a switch + router behind it but mehh

[final flame]

grado mod them and they're pretty nice

[iron coyote]

Koss makes some really good budget options it's crazy

[cursive summit]

https://www.theverge.com/2022/10/12/23400430/nvidia-directx-12-performance-improvements-cyberpunk-2077-assassins-creed-valhalla

[fickle ore]

Took abt 5 years but nice

[cursive summit]

How do GPU drivers improve upon CPU bound scenarios, I wonder

[fickle ore]

Hope it's not limited to latest gen

[halcyon moss]

20% is nothing to scoff at

[cursive summit]

Isn't that up to the CPU to fix

[ashen spindle]

who said its cpu bound scenarios

[fickle ore]

Noo.. Ive only been talking like 2 yrs about it

[ashen spindle]

they are part of it

and we've had nvidia having worse driver overhead than rdna2 for a long time now

[cursive summit]

My question is, how

[fickle ore]

I'll translate what they won't tell you: It just means they "disabled" forced driver multithreading for DX12 specifically

[ashen spindle]

so changing how the driver works reduces the overhead

[fickle ore]

read my reply

[ashen spindle]

nah

[fickle ore]

For sure, they can't otherwise combat AMD in dx12/vulkan titles

[ashen spindle]

it got better doesnt mean its now the same or better than amd in those titles

[fickle ore]

AMD uses driver single threaded approach, because the API multithreads so you don't need to waste CPU time for that on driver level

[fickle ore]

True. But up to 20% is kinda huge. Maybe they made it better or found a workaround to disable it fully for dx12