🔌│tech

[cursive summit]

Just razer colour scheme

Idk why people like razer that much

I want a Gigabyte B550 Aorus Pro-WOOT

Wooting lekker colour scheme

I was wondering, have there been tests of performance differences between B450-B550-X570 and also between different boards of same chipset?

Surely there should be no sizeable <5% difference between mobos

[ashen spindle]

uhhh

think you meant something else than what you typed

[ashen spindle]

in this sentence

[cursive summit]

I think I mistook chipset to arch

[ashen spindle]

no sizeable <5%
so like, did you mean there is only <5% or that there is more than 5%

[cursive summit]

Less than 5% I meant

[ashen spindle]

correct then

insufficent vrms on some budget boards aside that will cause 16 core to throttle

and I think one msi board made the 5600x throttle

but aside from those

[cursive summit]

Soz for the confusion, typically the range of perf difference in most tests I have seen to not be discarded is 5% or more

If it's below 5% most reviewers would say it's within margin of error

[ashen spindle]

yes the way you worded it just either made it look like that is still sizeable or you disagreed with yourself lol

[cursive summit]

"disagreed with yourself", wouldn't be the first time

So I suppose specifically performance advantages between same chipset boards don't really exist

What you'll want to pay attention is VRMs and other features

[wheat plume]

Cant find MS Word or Office in the control panel to uninstall it .-.

[reef patrol]

So don't?

Or reinstall and uninstall

[wheat plume]

I want to

[astral haven]

It may be the windows apps version
Check the settings menu

[ashen spindle]

how much free space do you need

office isn't massive

[wheat plume]

oh, is this it?

[reef patrol]

Yes?

[astral haven]

Yep

[wheat plume]

yay, its gone!

almost

uh..its stuck on this step wtf

[astral haven]

It's most of 4gb

[wheat plume]

IDC about the space it uses

I just dont want it on the computer

[ashen spindle]

..

sure I guess

[astral haven]

That's 40 copies of vvvvvv

[wheat plume]

LOL

[vagrant pagoda]

it has 2.5g

its an entirely different board though

one less x1 slot

different vrm stages

[cursive summit]

How does Taichi not have 2.5 gigabit to begin with

[vagrant pagoda]

ikr

hell 10g

x470 taichi ultimate has 10g

but yeah the razer ediditon is a different pcb

upgraded vrms

[cursive summit]

Tf is the point of 10g

Who offers 10g to consumers?

[vagrant pagoda]

for nas to pc

i dont use the 2.5g anymore

because it has driver issues

so i ahve a 10 gbe in the x4 slot

[shadow minnow]

I suppose it can be useful for video and photo editors and such if they work in a company where multiple computers are connected to a central network

[vagrant pagoda]

lol

[shadow minnow]

So they can very quickly upload or download they work

[vagrant pagoda]

i have one pc

on nas

[shadow minnow]

Raw photos can be huge

[vagrant pagoda]

lol

[shadow minnow]

And raw videos can be crazy

Almost a gbps even

[vagrant pagoda]

i keep all my media on nas

[shadow minnow]

Sometimes more

For normal media you don’t really need 10G imo

[vagrant pagoda]

as well as any games i dont want on my ssd for space

takes longer to copy

[shadow minnow]

But for video editing and such you really may

[vagrant pagoda]

10g isnt big money now

single port 10gbe is down to $50 used

switchs are kind of big money

you can get used switchs with dual 10g for 50~60 bucks

new one for $200

[astral haven]

Also if you are too small to afford 10g, get a Nas that supports direct attach

[wheat plume]

Android Jellybean's Easter Egg was literally flicking the beans

[astral haven]

Or just got gud at networking and direct attach Ethernet it up

Fancy asf webcam.
Raw video into ninja v into cam link 4k
Tracking autofocus without pulsing
No fkn time limit (looking at you canon)

Swapped back to this setup after i figured out the cam link 4k can't handle the HDMI out of the 5d iii

[shadow minnow]

They did remove the limit in a software update for R5

It will just get very hot

Maybe if they did put some thermal paste on the chip it wouldn’t need the limit

You can also get R5C but it looks ugly, with how big the cooling is

[astral haven]

Problem with canon tho is they have the pulsing af issue in video caf

Works shockingly well for moving subjects
But sitting still in a dark environment? Yikes

[latent mural]

if i create a new profile in wootility are changes automatically saved

[ashen spindle]

if you hit apply

or save idk what its called right now

[reef patrol]

No. No it is not.

[latent mural]

i see this

[vagrant pagoda]

i have a sony camcorder

its only 1080

but clean af

[astral haven]

But smaller sensor

[vagrant pagoda]

3 chip 1/2"

[astral haven]

And this monstrosity is 4k

[ashen spindle]

ah yes for additional profiles not on the keyboard the changes should be saved automatically

[latent mural]

Aye thank you

[vagrant pagoda]

they likely have the same effective quality at 1080 unless you have studio lights on your face

[astral haven]

Nah
They would likely only have the same effective quality if i had studio lights on my face

3 chip does have sliiiiight sensitivity advantages, but this sensor size difference is immense

[vagrant pagoda]

EX1 has amazing low light performance though

[astral haven]

[citation needed]

[vagrant pagoda]

any one who as used one

they are one of the most common 1080 camcorders used professionally

they do amazingly well indoors in low light

and it has no issues with constant video

no over heating issues or software bugs

the lcd flips around for selfie mode

[astral haven]

I looked up video online and it's fkn grainy at 12db of gain
Which to my understanding corresponds to 1440 iso

At 18 it's unuseable

I run normally at 25600, tho the Olympus in raw only lets me do 6400 (which is still solid with all noise reduction off)

Definetly the cleanest image comes from the a7iv obviously
But the 5diii is not far off at all
And it solidly slaughters the Sony in dynamic range using magiclantern

Fkn 11 stops of Dr at 25600 iso

Like it actually has better low light dynamic range than the phase one using magiclantern
It's complete witchcraft

Sensitivity isn't as good obviously, but pure Dr? Can't beat dualiso

[astral haven]

Again autofocus...

[shadow minnow]

Question is when merging 4 pixels into one, can you get same natural blur as if it was a one bigger pixel instead?

[astral haven]

Depends

What cameras specifically?

[shadow minnow]

Let’s say iPhone 14 pro camera for example
Since there sensor size is limited and then making it 48MP means smaller individual pixels

[astral haven]

Some line skip
Some bin
Some average
And some downscale

[astral haven]

It's not 48mp

It's a 12mp quad beyer sensor

Physical sensor on the left
Fancy math in the middle
Result image on the right

My 108mp phone camera does this

[shadow minnow]

Still would it have worse or same natural blur as if it was just a casual 12MP sensor?

If it was same size

[shadow minnow]

I would say with more than quad it’s kinda cheating.
Or well with 4 you still have all colors next to each other
With 9 middle pixels is not to any other colors

[astral haven]

For these it's identical

[ashen spindle]

math does wonders, in this case it gets a lot of data from making it more than 4

[shadow minnow]

Like with quad you can draw square so each square has 2 green 1 blue 1 red pixels and you will have 48 with them.
Can’t do that with 9

[astral haven]

Ah but
Humans can't resolve that much color data

[shadow minnow]

Depends on how much you zoom in

Which is an advantage of lot of mp sensors

[astral haven]

You are doubling your luminance data

[astral haven]

If you zoom to the diffraction limit, all of these will look identical

[ashen spindle]

a phone is meant to take pictures that look good, not to deliver data most accurate to do the FBI enhance memes on

[astral haven]

We are already at 16x beyer now for the best smartphone cams

[shadow minnow]

Well nice thing about 48MP sensor is you can have 12MP at 2x zoom

[astral haven]

And you can do the same with a 108mp sensor

Except you can also go 3x zoom and get 12mp worth of luminance data

[shadow minnow]

Well the thing is that then the resolution is a bit fake. Above quad it’s just mathematically not as accurate.
Since you have big sections where you lack one color pixels

[astral haven]

Nah
Mathematically speaking it's just as accurate

[shadow minnow]

Like you get same amount of luminance data

But the placement

Is not as accurate

[fair gull]

how about we invest into just strapping a dslr to the back of the phone

[astral haven]

Nope
Not at 12mp

[shadow minnow]

Yes not at 12mp

But yes at highest mp it can output

[astral haven]

Again no the 108 wins at full res

The math is pretty crazy

[shadow minnow]

What I am saying is, if you had 108mp sensor that’s not using any of this magic vs 108mp sensor with 16 pixel magic I don’t think it would be as accurate on very small level, if you fully zoomed in into 16.16 pixel grid

[astral haven]

Ok?

[shadow minnow]

With quad you can kinda shift how you view a pixel, to get 4 different color sections next to each other making it possibly as accurate

[astral haven]

But you get to zoom in 1.4x further...

[shadow minnow]

I wonder actually if you can make it just as accurate that way

[shadow minnow]

That is true, it’s a worth it thing ngl

[astral haven]

And you get better low light perf thanks to having the ability to average the noise from many more adcs

The 200mp sensors are actual monsters

[ashen spindle]

don't worry, iphone15 will do the same numbers and then suddenly it will be the best idea ever to do it that way and not considered cheating

[astral haven]

You can run them for the best of all worlds

[shadow minnow]

I wonder if you read quad array on 12 mp sensor like this, would it be just as accurate as having 48MP native sensor?
With more than quad it wouldn’t but this way I wonder

[astral haven]

Mathematically they are identical

[shadow minnow]

Which isn’t the case with more than quad right?

As in not just luminance data

[astral haven]

Again nope

[shadow minnow]

But placement accuracy

[astral haven]

The math is complicated

[shadow minnow]

Talking about placement aquaracy though not luminance data

[astral haven]

Take a dsp class

You can do alot of fancy magic using extra partial data

[shadow minnow]

But what if you have very thin layer of blue light that on more than quad would only hit green and red areas, despite the areas being the size of multiple pixels

[astral haven]

The luminance would change still lel

[shadow minnow]

How?

[astral haven]

Color filters are characterized and very much not perfect

[shadow minnow]

Well yes but it wouldn’t change as much as it realistically should

Though it would change for sure to some extend that is true

[astral haven]

You don't understand

Again none of this would work on a full size camera due to a bunch of optics bs

[shadow minnow]

o.o why?

[astral haven]

Diffraction

[shadow minnow]

What with it?

[astral haven]

You really should learn more about how optics work

Ya know how lenses go blurry at f16?

[shadow minnow]

Well I am going to uni only next year
And so far in physics we had basic optics but nothing regarding how camera sensor/eye focus work

Like I am quite curious but not sure how exactly do aperatures work ngl

[astral haven]

Well
I don't exactly have the many hours required to explain it sll

But the long story short is the light bends when you send it through a small hole and spreads out
12mp on these sensors is generally beyond the limit of where there starts to be blur between pixels of point light sources

[shadow minnow]

Hmm

That does make sense

Never thought of thinking about it being because of diffraction

[astral haven]

However if you know the exact luminance of every point, you can sharpen the image to back where it came from better

[shadow minnow]

But actually that does make sense

[astral haven]

Oh yea phones are omega diffraction limited

[shadow minnow]

Is the reason too low apertures sometimes get less accurate just impurities in the glass of the lense?

[astral haven]

No

[shadow minnow]

Why then?

[astral haven]

It's not just that

Generally it's innacuracies in the exact shape of the lens

[shadow minnow]

Well yeah that’s what I meant

[astral haven]

Impurities are also a thing

[shadow minnow]

But yeah thinking of it from diffraction standpoint really does make sense

[astral haven]

And problems in the coatings also exist

If you think of the optics as a band limited function horizontally, you can use extra sampling to do some very fancy Nyquist math

[shadow minnow]

Well hopefully I’ll learn sth about that next year in uni
Though tbh I am a bit more interested in electronics than optics

Though that may change if I go to general engineering

Though 4/5 of my aplications are for electronics and not general

But the one I want to go the most is to general

[ashen spindle]

you're most likely going to have those topics covered anyway

[astral haven]

Get into video dsp and you can have fun with this

[shadow minnow]

True

[ashen spindle]

electronics isn't going to skip out on all other parts of physics aside from electron flow

[shadow minnow]

Well sure but point is I may actually chose to focus on sth else if I find sth else more interesting with general

And then choose modules to get degree from that

While if I go to electronics I can’t get degree for sth else

Or well one of my aplications is to joint honors computer science and electronics so that’s different

But ignoring that

[ashen spindle]

you wont get another degree but its not like its impossible to change it wile at uni or to get something not directly in your field afterwards

[shadow minnow]

Well yes but it’s less likely than if I do general engineering

Since there I’ll have 2 years of no focus

So higher chance of sth else catching my interest i think

[ashen spindle]

¯_(ツ)_/¯ look at dr. cutress who went from phd in chemistry to writing articles analysing how bigger l2 cache makes cpu faster

[shadow minnow]

Tbf unless I get into Oxford it’s unlikely I’ll be doing general engineering
And getting there is not exactly easy

[ashen spindle]

everything being streamlined is simple but not always likely to happen

[astral haven]

You will be required to learn about diffraction and nyquist

It's very very nescessary

[shadow minnow]

Probably will

But don’t need it for entrance exam

So don’t have time to learn about it rn, about anything not required

Since it would be Pog to get in

And the exam is 2nd November

And a lot depends on it

And there are some things from physics we didn’t have yet

Which is not too cool

[reef patrol]

https://twitter.com/strangepartscom/status/1579576220143955968

Strange Parts (@strangepartscom)

Apparently @JLCPCB is now offering PCBs in "charming purple"?

Twitter · Oct 10, 2022, 8:54 PM

Oooooooh

[fair gull]

time to ask for gerber files mansen and order a purple woot pcb

[fickle ore]

Time to buy Intel ARC A750 LE

[ashen spindle]

if you hate yourself go ahead

[shadow minnow]

I think they had it for a while

Unless charming purple is somehow different from the normal purple

[fickle ore]

Expecting AMD-FineWine^2

It'll overcome 3080 in a few years 😉

[fair gull]

its charming

[ashen spindle]

enjoy your rotten malort

[fickle ore]

You rooted for AMD, now root for exponential finewine!

[ashen spindle]

I never rooted for anyone

[fickle ore]

Oh ok, maybe it was me then

[ashen spindle]

I simple looked at some leaks and knew how to do math when xbox basically confirmed rdna2 power to us

[frozen ingot]

oshpark been doing that shit for years

[frozen ingot]

aaand this is the kind of mentality that will keep us in a duopoly til the end of days

[ashen spindle]

I dont need to subsizide a billion dollar company if I have to suffer for it then

[frozen ingot]

they're not really bad cards, not after the recent updates

worth the money? debatable

[shadow minnow]

Well ngl Intel has definitely enough money, still they may decide to kill if GPU Division like they did with optane, and that wouldn’t be too cool

As long as you play mostly just newer games

[frozen ingot]

but if nobody cares to give it a shot we'll be back to status quo in no time

[ashen spindle]

770 cost about the same or more than a 3060, have software issuses and less performance in most, unplayable in something like csgo

[frozen ingot]

csgo is ancient anyway, people need to move on

[shadow minnow]

Intel adopted DP 2.0 before nvidia
Why doesn’t 4080 have DP 2.0, it has enough bandwidth if it can have HDMI 2.1 clearly

[astral haven]

Cause dp 2 is multiple specs in 1

[shadow minnow]

Wasn’t it like 160 fps on cs go? Sure way less than other cards but in that case still a lot

[shadow minnow]

Yes but the lowest one would be cool to have at least

[frozen ingot]

nah 160fps literally unplayable m8

[astral haven]

Average

It has frametimes under 60

[ashen spindle]

1% lows and stutter make 160fps unplayable in a game lise cs

[shadow minnow]

Like ampere had ability to have two 48gbps ports rest lower

[frozen ingot]

I'd expect it to improve further over time

[vagrant pagoda]

prob for a new g-sync chip

[shadow minnow]

So why can’t they put at least one hdmi 2.1 and one DP 2.0 UBR 10 there even if it’s not better than ampere

[vagrant pagoda]

they dont want the best to be availbie over adaptive sync

[frozen ingot]

but sure, the arcs are a bit adventurous to bet your money on if you're into a lot of old games

[ashen spindle]

they literally dont have dx9 hardware and need to emulate it, it will never be as good, passable at best

[vagrant pagoda]

i mean

the people who want 100fps dx9 games is small

[shadow minnow]

I am sure it’s better than my iGPU

[ashen spindle]

100% of csgo players?

[frozen ingot]

and that group is in decline

[vagrant pagoda]

lmao

[ashen spindle]

csgo is still most played game on steam

[vagrant pagoda]

most csgo players are 60 hz i bet

[frozen ingot]

probably because it can run on a computer from the bronze age

[shadow minnow]

I wonder if reason mc with very heavy shaders on my m1 MacBook is absolutely cpu limited because of translation

[vagrant pagoda]

exactaly

[shadow minnow]

Since 4k and full hd is same fps

[ashen spindle]

wouldn't matter if they are 60hz, you still gain advantage from higher fps

[frozen ingot]

dx9 should not be a priority for new gpus imo

[vagrant pagoda]

debatable

[shadow minnow]

It shouldn’t be a priority but it’s nice to have

[vagrant pagoda]

most people arent skilled enough for it to matter

[shadow minnow]

Skill issue

[ashen spindle]

not saying it should be, but it should not make a 350$ card act worse than a igpu

[vagrant pagoda]

the biggest issue with arc compatability

is ZERO support for minecraft

[shadow minnow]

Does it act worse than Intel iGPUs even? That would be funny

[shadow minnow]

Wait actually? I did see mc being ran on it

On the ltt stream

[vagrant pagoda]

unless that is supoer recent

[ashen spindle]

in average no, consistency I'd take an igpu usually over it

[vagrant pagoda]

bedrock maybe

[shadow minnow]

Well idk on the linuses stream I am pretty sure I saw him playing mc

And like, my Intel iGPU has no problems with mc

[ashen spindle]

igpu != dgpu

one running it fine has nothing do do with the other

[shadow minnow]

Ofc

[ashen spindle]

very different uarch

[frozen ingot]

that's considerably worse yes

[shadow minnow]

I wish apple silicone didn’t drop support for older OpenGL, it could run shaders so well but now there are weird artifacts

[shadow minnow]

Ngl if it doesn’t support Minecraft then I change my previous statement, even at risk of the division being killed of, it doesn’t deserve being bought

[vagrant pagoda]

ill look at ltt

[shadow minnow]

Not sure if it was bedrock or not tbh

[vagrant pagoda]

but the only bench i could find was rtx

[frozen ingot]

I wouldn't care too much personally since I haven't played MC in fookin years

but yeah its a huuuuge game

in terms of player amount

[vagrant pagoda]

yeah java works

bedrock dosent

[ashen spindle]

anyway, not my fault intel is not making the cards cheaper so I wouldn't get them or recommend them, if the rest is worse they at least need make me spend less to consider it

[misty saffron]

i would love some neurotic cores in my phone

[shadow minnow]

Oh then doesn’t matter

[vagrant pagoda]

bedrock is way more popular

and its 1/3 the fps

barely 60 on stock mc

[shadow minnow]

Not way more

And I don’t care about bedrock

And you shouldn’t either

Bedrock has the awful marketplace

Java has way better and free mods

[fickle ore]

csgo is moving to vulkan/dx12.. Maybe 1.6 😉

[vagrant pagoda]

https://x-files.ciablack.site/HastySilverfish-022.png

guess which is arc

[misty saffron]

java edition with 32 chunk rendering threads fucking flies

[vagrant pagoda]

3060 pulling better 99th

than arc average

[misty saffron]

80 fps on default settings, 300 with 32 threads

[shadow minnow]

Now this is not a good frame to compare tbf

Since with 3060 he is mostly facing ground

Which means more fps than in the second scenario naturally

Sure the difference wouldn’t change which GPU did better

But it’s still not directly comparable

[ashen spindle]

you do realize percentile are averaged over time since you dont get them from just current frametime?

[vagrant pagoda]

https://x-files.ciablack.site/FancyQueenbee-821.png

thats them hitting each other right at load

[shadow minnow]

Here arc has as advantage in this frame

Looking into sky

[astral haven]

Literally looking opposite directions

[ashen spindle]

arc has advantage and is still worse then

[shadow minnow]

But in mc it genuinely makes a lot of difference which direction are you looking

[shadow minnow]

Indeed

Like it matters a lot but not 7 times as much a lot

[ashen spindle]

yes for current rendertime not for percentile done over time

[vagrant pagoda]

look at arc;s 99th

16

oof

[shadow minnow]

Eh it’s survivable

[astral haven]

16 vs 38 is extremely oof

[shadow minnow]

I am used to worse

[vagrant pagoda]

yeah but apples to apples is what car said

[shadow minnow]

Makes sense

[vagrant pagoda]

doulbe the 99th is a MASSIVE playablity imporvment

[astral haven]

Don't spend that much money on that horrifically bad an experience

[shadow minnow]

It is but 16 isn’t unplayable at all

Sure it sucks

[vagrant pagoda]

and i intend on buying arc

[astral haven]

3x

[vagrant pagoda]

lol

[shadow minnow]

Below 10 is unplayable I would say

[astral haven]

Me too, but not soon

[shadow minnow]

For 99

[astral haven]

Eh

At 100 fps that's 1 frame per second that is a visible stutter

At 50 it's 1 frame every other second that is a visible stutter

It's highly unpleasant

[shadow minnow]

Limit fps at 20

Now range is 16-20

Issue solved

No more visible stutter

Bexin tech tips

[astral haven]

Ah but that's not even gonna be the case probably

[vagrant pagoda]

the lowest 99th in the video was 1

[ashen spindle]

not sure in what worlds 850 and 350 are in the same tier but yes that sounds correct

[wheat plume]

Oddly specific app...

[vagrant pagoda]

lol

totally not a fed

[wheat plume]

I doubt it's a honeypot
Otherwise it would be on the play store where a lot more people would find it

[frozen ingot]

finally, an app for me

you have no idea how hard it is to keep track of how much you toke

you just buy weed, get baked and then a week later or something you've run out

very intricate and complicated science

[vagrant pagoda]

buy more than your smoke

[crisp granite]

...

dude

I wish I could

[wintry vigil]

Hey can u create a AWDS Shift ctrl Space and 4 custom button keypad. I would love to have one from your quality

[fair gull]

if you buy a thousand of those probably

[wheat plume]

https://youtu.be/MLK_oV8eIDQ

TLDW: Walmart wants to use their own shitty and unsecure app so they can avoid transaction fees and collect as much customer data as possible

how do I remove this? its not going away no matter what I do .-.

[reef patrol]

You're going to need an old priest and a young priest.

[wheat plume]

XD

FUCK OFF, TOOLTIPS

its impossible to quickly press these buttons cause the tooltip blocks half of them

[halcyon moss]

ususally you are able to click through tooltips

or click and dismiss

[misty saffron]

right click, change wallpaper

[wheat plume]

the search box wont go away

[wheat plume]

nope

https://www.businessinsider.com/billboards-in-space-are-fast-approaching-a-new-study-says-2022-10

[halcyon moss]

space bill boards should be very illigal

[wheat plume]

^^

not to mention, they will cause light pollution and make it much harder for astrologists and scientists to observe the universe

and I dont wanna look up into the night sky and see DORITOS floating there .-.

Is this the synapse installer??

that annoying shit that pops up EVERY TIME I turn the speakers on?

[halcyon moss]

google might know

is windows being too helpful?

[wheat plume]

I dont want synapse

especially for something I dont need software for such as speakers

I installed it before, all it lets you do is change the RBG and choose between 3 audio presets

and the default sounds best anyway

[pale sigil]

Then delete it XD

[wheat plume]

I have

this was like 2 years ago

on my previous computer

[ashen spindle]

https://twitter.com/VideoCardz/status/1579788912515371009

VideoCardz.com (@VideoCardz)

GeForce RTX 4090 Founders Edition reviews go live in 2 hours

Likes

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Twitter · Oct 11, 2022, 11:00 AM

[crimson wigeon]

It's like every time there's a picture of it it gets bigger

[ashen spindle]

4090 but every image of it adds one watt and one fan

[vagrant pagoda]

They don't want people in the store lol

They do as much as possible to make you not come in

[ashen spindle]

why did they get someone who makes it look like its a parody as the person on cam lmfao, legit thought from his look at first it's someone dressing up like a old school prof to talk fun about it

[pale sigil]

Tesco does that but luckily you can still use other stuff

As in they want you to use their app, they just don't not allow apple etc

Idk why im saying this since you have Tesco too

[shadow minnow]

Funny thing is that their app is region locked

So many apps are region locked

Wish there was like a vacation mode for App Store to download stuff from App Store region you are in at a time

But well did create a secondary uk account and download most apps few weeks ago

[vagrant pagoda]

Apple has region locking?

That's dumb

[pale sigil]

Ye

Play store has some form of region delisting

Also

But not not outright blocking where you need a second account

[shadow minnow]

It’s well not entirely locking, it’s just that you can’t download the app unless you match the region, if developer chooses so

Though once it’s downloaded you can update it and do whatever you want

It’s so when you type in dominos or sth you don’t get 1000 irrelevant apps for each region

But I wish there was a simpler way around than second account

[pale sigil]

What you just said is literally entirely locking

It sucks for when you're abroad lol

[shadow minnow]

You can still use the apps

So it’s not locking apps just initial downloads

[pale sigil]

We are talking about the store itself

[shadow minnow]

But yeah it sucks, I see why they do it, just wish there was a simple workaround

[pale sigil]

Not tbe apps

The store itself blocks this process so a second account is needed

[shadow minnow]

At least it’s relatively easy to create a second account I suppose

[pale sigil]

Shouldn't have to!

If I have any issues I just use a different app store

[fair gull]

i think its the app publisher choosing a region

[vagrant pagoda]

https://youtu.be/j9vC9NBL8zo

[shadow minnow]

Indeed

Blame them

I mean it makes sense to do to some extend but meh

[ashen spindle]

I wonder if the cpu bottleneck is going to make rdna3 punch nvidia in the guts at 1440p since they tend to have a lot less overhead on team red

[vagrant pagoda]

4090 can actually do 4k60 with RTX on.

In all the tested games

That's actually impressive

And same power as a 3090ti

So instead of all the dumb leak shit

[ashen spindle]

insane just how bad the 3090ti was as a product lmfao

[vagrant pagoda]

It's actually good at everything but price

[cursive summit]

Only a few more weeks until RDNA3

Can't wait

[pale sigil]

Jesus

[crisp granite]

holy fuck

it's actually a massive improvement

it's just priced poorly

[vagrant pagoda]

I mean

[shadow minnow]

4080 benchmarks when?

[vagrant pagoda]

Like 2 weeks

I think

[shadow minnow]

[crisp granite]

wait shit meta vr bs event today

pray for deckard

🙏

[vagrant pagoda]

Yeah no day yet just November

[ashen spindle]

yeah 4080 is going to wait on amd to announce so they can tune things if needed

inb4 jebaited again

so not used to watching GN and seeing FF14 in the background screens lmfao

[astral haven]

The power usage spikes of the 4090 are legit not bad at all too which is even more impressive

[ashen spindle]

smh nvidia once again failing to beat vega

[astral haven]

Ikr

It's crazy to think this is missing a full 2000+ cuda cores from ad102 full die...

[vagrant pagoda]

GN got 666.6 out of theirs oc

[ashen spindle]

yeah 4090ti stock is going to be thirsty

[vagrant pagoda]

If

Make there I'll be a new titan with dual
12 pins lol

[pale sigil]

Lmfao

Overwatch,2 1080p 600fps

[indigo delta]

Will wait for 4k 240hz

Then I'll jump from 1440p 240hz to 4k 240hz 😈

RTX 5000 series should do the trick

Almost there

[ashen spindle]

dust 2 beats everything as per usual

[wheat plume]

Soon a computer will use more electricity under load than the entire rest of the building's usage combined ...

[halcyon moss]

uhm, i dont know where you live

but that can already easily be the case

[ashen spindle]

my hair dryer uses more than my pc...

[wheat plume]

wat

[ashen spindle]

the 4090 uses the same base power as the 3090, both are 450 so that didnt really increase

hair dryer starts at alike 1500

[wheat plume]

o.o really??

[halcyon moss]

450 watt continuously for a few gaming hours easily is more than a few minutes of 1500 watt

and thats just the gpu :p

[wheat plume]

ye..

[ashen spindle]

sure over time you wont use it as long as a pc

[ashen spindle]

yeah but cpus are never going near gpus powerdraw unless you go to servers

not even close

[chrome estuary]

i'll keep my 3070ti and get like a 5080 or some shit whenever that comes out

[halcyon moss]

no, but 150 watts for cpu, 450 for gpu is 600 watts

[ashen spindle]

yeah but in a game you will like half of that on the cpu

[gusty kiln]

Tpu review shows higher gain at 1440 and 4k, but lower gains at 1080p

Hmmmmm

[ashen spindle]

yes thats normal

cpu bound

720p would be even less gain

if any at all

[gusty kiln]

5800x

I see now

[ashen spindle]

doesnt matter which cpu

lower resolution means less gpu bound

[gusty kiln]

Thought they would at least upgrade

By now

[ashen spindle]

who

[gusty kiln]

Tpu

[ashen spindle]

well it would make it higher but still less gains at lower resolutions

[gusty kiln]

Yeah

It just looks weird when comparing

[vagrant pagoda]

How do you not run a 5800x3d

[gusty kiln]

Either way, the real performance gain is like 50% over the 3090

[ashen spindle]

because then they'd have to rerun everything to make it comparable

[gusty kiln]

Which is still pretty good

[vagrant pagoda]

I love that the power draw is the same as the 3090ti after everyone said it was going to kill houses

[cursive summit]

Wasn't originally Ada Lovelace meant to be just an Ampere refresh?

[gusty kiln]

The coolers scared people

[pale sigil]

Who wants to buy me a 4099

[cursive summit]

How's Ada now one of the biggest generational perf jumps in history

[vagrant pagoda]

It's not much bigger than the ti cooker

It's slightly thicker

[astral haven]

No?

[cursive summit]

Like as far as I'm getting Ada made that big of a perf jump just cause Nvidia stuffed a shit ton of stuff inside

[gusty kiln]

I meant the aib coolers

[cursive summit]

Originally it was rumoured to be

[gusty kiln]

They are chonk

[ashen spindle]

idk what you are dreaming of sometimes

[astral haven]

Not by anyone but mlid probably

[ashen spindle]

[halcyon moss]

i remember that the aib partners got told it would do 600 watt

[cursive summit]

It was Kopite who said it

https://www.pcgamer.com/nvidias-next-gen-gpu-ada-lovelace-is-no-longer-a-simple-ampere-refresh-rumours-suggest/

[halcyon moss]

so.. they sized accordingly

[gusty kiln]

Ye ole shotgunner

[cursive summit]

It was supposed to be a refresh until later they fiddled around with it and it became something more

[ashen spindle]

could still be the case for the 4090ti and nvidia just changed how to release it or smth

[astral haven]

It does use 600w+ at max pl

[ashen spindle]

I mean koptie saying that doesn't mean anything since others said from the start that Lavalace is a new arch

one person doesnt always get all the right info

[astral haven]

If they did architecturally swap it up, they would have had to do that back in early to mid 2021

[ashen spindle]

at that time its more like they are working on lovelace and hopper so probably more something of them just figuring out what can be made for either client or server space and what makes sense

but I remember fairly old leaks saying that nvidia targeted the performance we got so a refresh would not have worked

[astral haven]

Well Nvidia just published a paper talking about how they were able to massively improve the speed of their silicon design process with AI modeling

[shadow minnow]

Same questions, one with waterblock and two HDMI 2.1 please

[ashen spindle]

just get an a380 for your dp2.0 ports

and be happy

[vagrant pagoda]

GN got 666w

[astral haven]

Tuf or strix, that is the question

[vagrant pagoda]

That's a lot

[astral haven]

Yup
Nice of Nvidia to graciously let the power limit be high /s

[vagrant pagoda]

Less than 3090ti s though

Granted aib tis

[pale sigil]

Ngl I feel bad for my friend with his 3090

XD

[astral haven]

Yup aibs

[astral haven]

Not like the 3090 miraculously got any slower

[ashen spindle]

oh btw

[pale sigil]

Aye but the price you paid

Lmao

Most people paid a fortune for some time

I think he paid £1300 or more

[ashen spindle]

yeah but the value wasnt there for those cards on launch and that was known

[pale sigil]

Ironically he had two 3090s as he forgot to cancel a pre order m

[ashen spindle]

cant really feel bad for that

[astral haven]

Wasn't in the last few months...

[vagrant pagoda]

So we gonna get a HOF with dual 12 pins?

Or 8 8 pins

The entire top edge just 8 pins

[astral haven]

Back

[gusty kiln]

You get a dedicated psu bundled with it

[reef patrol]

Just give us another 24pin and plug that straight into the GPU.

https://tenor.com/view/tasty-slurp-drink-thirsty-pinky-gif-16067969

[pale sigil]

Im excited for amd even more now

[astral haven]

24 pin is like 125w

[vagrant pagoda]

24 is only like 150w

[reef patrol]

Clearly it's only 5w

It was a joke about size not wattage btw. 😛

[gusty kiln]

I wonder how fast a modern bus powered only gpu would be

[astral haven]

12 pin is the same size as 8 pin

[astral haven]

3080 mobile lowest perf variants

[gusty kiln]

[shadow minnow]

I wonder if amd will be able to catch up with ray tracing

[ashen spindle]

yes

[shadow minnow]

Nvidia now managed to get it to a point where performance impact isn’t too crazy, would be nice if and does the same

And well I suppose surpassing DLSS 3.0 won’t be hard for now

[ashen spindle]

lmfao you dont even want dlss3.0 with how it is now

[shadow minnow]

That’s what I am saying

[astral haven]

Idk it's pretty goddamn sweet

[ashen spindle]

latency and issue on it are making me not want to even try that lol

[gusty kiln]

Wait what's wrong with dlss 3, haven't read anything about it

[shadow minnow]

If amd competitor to DLSS doesn’t make the card crash it’s better than DLSS 3.0

[gusty kiln]

Ooohhh

[ashen spindle]

mh yes give me more latency please, tahts what I want

[gusty kiln]

[astral haven]

You'd be surprised

[ashen spindle]

https://twitter.com/HardwareUnboxed/status/1579820462917357568

Hardware Unboxed (@HardwareUnboxed)

A sneak peek at our DLSS 3 content coming in a few days. It does work at times... just don't feed it big changes between frames

Likes

362

Twitter · Oct 11, 2022, 1:05 PM

it will obviously get better no question

but in the current state..

[cursive summit]

Will be interesting if AMD will actually outperform DLSS in the future just like AMD already does vs Nvidia in their own ballpark at times

[astral haven]

Do not compare still images

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4090-founders-edition/35.html

[ashen spindle]

yes I know it might not be as bad if its sandwiched between good frame and that's how the still looks

[astral haven]

It's actually dumb to compare still images since the whole point is that it does optical flow

By definition it does nothing to stills

[ashen spindle]

but even a frame that mathematically is really good for inbetween will be visible sometimes since we aren't machines (yet)

[indigo delta]

Actually

[astral haven]

You'd be surprised

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4090-founders-edition/35.html

Watch the video content

[ashen spindle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odwfV-BaMug I did

obviously not as glaringly bad as on the single frame but I did notice something looking off before the slowmo+zoom

[astral haven]

Yea no I mean actual realtime video

That isn't slaughtered to hell by youtube

[ashen spindle]

idk 4k youtube bitrate is fine to look at it imo

[astral haven]

🤷

You can have that opinion if you want, but that video you posted proves otherwise

The important part of dlss 3 is it isn't CPU limited...

[cursive summit]

Jesus, the value for money proposition is groundbreaking with these prices

[gusty kiln]

[cursive summit]

And that's a "price drop"

[ashen spindle]

say thanks putin

[cursive summit]

As much as I dislike KGB man it's not all on him

[ashen spindle]

the euro tanking is basically all on him

and thats how you get those prices

[cursive summit]

We'd still be in a crisis anyways

After covid and stuff

[ashen spindle]

I mean, less buying power and all sure, but wouldn't really make the euro drop

[cursive summit]

EU will recover, hopefully sooner than later

We'll have a harsh next few months but hopefully it gets better by summer

[ashen spindle]

really makes me wonder why they didn't release this card at 30% less power

[crimson wigeon]

Because MOAR FPS

[ashen spindle]

did their ai speedup really do that much in the end that the early estimates just went way too high? are they preparing for a really good amd card?

[gusty kiln]

Amd did just suddenly catch up on rasterization last gen

So maybe

[astral haven]

Like you use VR iirc?
Have you tried steamvr motion smoothing off on a less than perfectly optimized game?

[ashen spindle]

havent tried anything recently because my quest is dying lmfao only play beatsaber atm

[astral haven]

Ah well
You can't turn off motion smoothing on the quest lel

[ashen spindle]

errr what am I saying, rift not quest

the original one, not the S

also curves with numbers to show the point even more

[halcyon moss]

its frame interpolation right? so it has to have already have 2 rendered frames and put an extra interpolated frame in between

[astral haven]

yup

[halcyon moss]

thats silly for latency

[astral haven]

the fact that it appears to not be adding any latency on top of base (not resultant) framerate is highly impressive

steamvr adds 2ms

the fact that a 4090 is over a petaflop of ai compute is also pretty mental

also this is very interesting
a very low level optimization but one that absolutely makes sense

what I dont understand tho is this part
since when did ampere have an optical flow accelerator?

[ashen spindle]

since the start which is why people think they can likely do dlss3.0 as well just not as good but that nvidia is locking it for 4000 series to make sales

[astral haven]

[citation needed]

its not in the ampere whitepaper

[ashen spindle]

https://docs.nvidia.com/video-technologies/optical-flow-sdk/pdf/NVOFA_Application_Note.pdf

since turing

[astral haven]

reread the statement

nvofa is part of tensor

[ashen spindle]

"a hardware accelerator for computing optical flow "

[astral haven]

yea
not "part of tensor cores"

nvofa is tensor

[ashen spindle]

and nvidia themselves in a comparison listed OFA TOPS for the 3090ti so idk how they specify it but based on their own data they have it

[astral haven]

the ada whitepaper specifically says starting with ampere

therefore these arent the same thing

[ashen spindle]

idc about turing I just saw that in the pdf, only thought it was in ampere, which was the original question

[astral haven]

yes

so this is something else

[ashen spindle]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[gusty kiln]

Damn the cuda core jumps

At this rate 22k cuda core on the 5090

[astral haven]

again
tensor vs separate hardware

[ashen spindle]

and that doesnt mean anything still, turing to ampere had a bigger cuda core jump but less uplift

[astral haven]

what the tar does "hardware cost" mean

[ashen spindle]

probably means its dedicated space on the chip?

[astral haven]

thats possible

i really wonder what an ofa flop means tho

cause its not the number of flow vectors generated thats for sure

[ashen spindle]

nvidia and making up numbers nobody uses, classic

[astral haven]

everyone needs to stop copying apple

[ashen spindle]

omfg I just noticed something while looking for something else

arc 770 is basically a Radeon VII that traded HBM for raytracing lmfao

[astral haven]

kek

oh yea i want a vii
whats their price looking like lemme check

[cursive summit]

VII is well priced rn

[ashen spindle]

and the die size of the vii without hbm is smaller than 770

[astral haven]

its $150?

[gusty kiln]

Classic Raja

[cursive summit]

In your dreams

Tf is its name

Radeon VII or Vega II

[astral haven]

radeon vii

[cursive summit]

There is one on ebay rn for 499,88 buy it now

[gusty kiln]

300-500 on ebay

[astral haven]

absolutely horrific

normally gpus that are eol'd are under 200 unless they are very very special (ares, etc)

[cursive summit]

Its not like it has 16GB's of HBM2

[ashen spindle]

why does that matter

[cursive summit]

Good memory

[astral haven]

no lel

[ashen spindle]

you're not going to take the memory chips off to use for something else

[gusty kiln]

Wasn't the 7 a good mining card

Might be left over pricing

[cursive summit]

7 was the best mining card

[astral haven]

well

no it was ok

[cursive summit]

Which is why it sold out for ages

[astral haven]

it was good for mining in terms of it wasnt used for anything else so it was relatively cheap

[cursive summit]

For algos that used memory, it was the best one

[astral haven]

best in terms of fastest?
no

[sharp badger]

Really like the look of the Nvidia Founder edition cards and the 4090 seems like it's a beast

[astral haven]

best in terms of most efficient?
no

[cursive summit]

Best in terms of hashrate iirc

That thing was topping hashrate charts for the longest of time

[sharp badger]

Do anyone have a Steam deck here?

[astral haven]

yea but it didnt ever make the most revenue per card or per watt or anything

[astral haven]

many do including me, https://dontasktoask.com/

[wheat plume]

yes

[sharp badger]

Was thinking of buying one and kinda interested what people think of it

[wheat plume]

I love mine <3

Console like experience + the benefits of PC gaming

[astral haven]

its neato
think of when you are gonna use it tho
or if you are just gonna have fun getting it running

[sharp badger]

How long does the battery last?

[astral haven]

depends

[wheat plume]

Depends a LOT on what game + Settings + TDP + FPS

[astral haven]

name a game and i can give you an estimate tho

[wheat plume]

Id suggest playing AAA at 30-40FPS if you wanna conserve battery and lowering the TDP and GPU clocks as long as you can take them

you can set these values per game, so its really useful

[gusty kiln]

Factorio

[wheat plume]

thats a lot of yellow

[sharp badger]

POE , Doom , A plague tale perhaps?

[wheat plume]

it runs though :D

[gusty kiln]

Hmmm

[astral haven]

those are probably 2-3 hour games
get a battery bank

[wheat plume]

ive played many games say unsupported, so just try and see

[wheat plume]

Doom can do 3 apparently

maybe more if you lock to 30

[astral haven]

ye

get a 100wh battery bank tho and bam 3x batt life

[sharp badger]

Is there any Youtube app? or do one go through the browser?

[wheat plume]

I am playing the outer worlds only on Deck and it's a great experience

[astral haven]

just use the browser

[wheat plume]

Browser or FreeTube

[astral haven]

but the screen is hot trash

[wheat plume]

I dont mind the screen, better than my Switch for sure

[astral haven]

your phone is definetly gonna be a better screen tho

[wheat plume]

yeh

no shit

[astral haven]

even if you like have a $150 phone...

[wheat plume]

The Deck screen will be like your computer screen but smaller

[astral haven]

its sub 1k:1

so no its like one of those bottom tier laptop screens but brighter and smaller

[sharp badger]

Ah ok was thinking of using it as an all-round device when traveling/chilling in the sofa & such

[astral haven]

yea thats what its for

[wheat plume]

When you are in games, the screen is plenty good

[astral haven]

yup

[sharp badger]

Is it the Anti-glare verison?4

[astral haven]

thats why i only brought it up after they mentioned youtube

[wheat plume]

Yeah, the 512GB model

no

I dont have that

I have 256GB

[astral haven]

and i have the 64

its not glare thats the problem

its contrast

[sharp badger]

Ok 🤔

[astral haven]

its like if you accidentally leave limited gamut mode on on your computer

[sharp badger]

Ok so the Switch OLED wins in that department then 😅

[wheat plume]

Maybe really grey games like Elden Ring and Skyrim may look not the best but other games are fine
You can install the Vibrant Deck plugin to increase saturation

[sharp badger]

But the Switch is so limited with games then

[astral haven]

yup

[wheat plume]

ye ;-;

and a lot of games it does have run shit

[sharp badger]

Ok

Well in due time they'll probably run great

[astral haven]

on the switch? nah

deck runs most stuff surprisingly well

[sharp badger]

Yeah was thinking of the Deck lol

[astral haven]

the deck is stronk

[wheat plume]

is a big boi

but comfy to hold

I really enjoy it

[sharp badger]

Have you modded it?

[wheat plume]

Going back to my Switch, my hands hurt and cramp

Ive installed Proton GE and run most games using that and added a custom boot animation, but that's it

I did install the Plugin Loader earlier but removed it again

[astral haven]

mine is full stock and i just cant hold it up while lying in bed for hours at a time without my arms hurting

[wheat plume]

I also installed EmuDeck to a second SD card but I cant launch the games from Game Mode cause Steam Rom Manager refuses to open

but I can launch it from desktop mode without issues and play all the retro games

but I wanna be able to pick the game itself from game mode rather than launch the emulator then choose the game

[sharp badger]

Ok 👍

[wheat plume]

TBF, I think I botched the install, I decided to not open Steam Rom Manager when EmuDeck was done and prompted me to, so maybe thats why it wont launch now

[sharp badger]

Was thinking if anyone had changed to Hall Effect joysticks or upgraded the battery

[astral haven]

use an external battery bank tbh

[wheat plume]

idk if there is a larger battery for it

[wheat plume]

this

[sharp badger]

Yeah well External battery banks are quite good tbf

[wheat plume]

Should probs get one at some point

[astral haven]

i just bought this cheapo on amazon
https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B0B4W3Z62N

seems to work surprisingly well

[wheat plume]

wtf does the smile mean in the URL?

[astral haven]

with the biggest shocker being passthrough charging

[astral haven]

charity donations

[wheat plume]

o

[sharp badger]

Nice

[astral haven]

always checkout through amazon smile for a tiny fraction to be donated

[wheat plume]

its not in stock

I read it as 2,000mAh hour and was like "Bruh, t hats fucking lame"

[astral haven]

yea and the price jumped since i bought it

[wheat plume]

its 20,000mAh

thats great

[pale sigil]

@astral haven I used to but when I get the total contributed jr's usually nothing

[wheat plume]

Assuming they arent lying about that...

A lot of battery banks lie about capacity

[pale sigil]

I used to use a plugin that auto did it

[astral haven]

money works

[pale sigil]

Ye but how much do you buy

XD

[astral haven]

enough that it matters

every cent counts

theres no disadvantage to setting it up

it just takes 30 seconds per year

[astral haven]

they dont appear to be lying
the weight and generic aliexpress versions of these seem to be very similar

[pale sigil]

Where do you find that

The total generated

[astral haven]

https://smile.amazon.com/charity/my-impact

[pale sigil]

Tbh if my mum and sister used smile it might be alright

[fickle ore]

Did they release anything more harman than crinacle zero lately@astral haven

[astral haven]

which one

also idk

the harmanest is the buds pro 2 atm

[fickle ore]

Ah

[fickle ore]

At 200$range yea, zero is 50$

[astral haven]

🤷

[fickle ore]

Maybe it was someone else who told me about unreleased iem's that woud be even better

[astral haven]

tbh i prefer the cra+ to the zeros

[fickle ore]

my bad

[pale sigil]

@wheat plume this is on prime offer rn

[astral haven]

the salnotes zero are crin tuned and $25ish

[pale sigil]

Same as official minus DP

[wheat plume]

i nu haz prime

its useless in Ireland cause the shipping times are still slow

[fickle ore]

salnote zero vs truthear zero

lol what a confusing pair

[astral haven]

yup

i just daily cra+ with sony foams and am happy

[pale sigil]

@wheat plume the gen 2 is also on offer

Of jsaux

You can use my prime

Hmmmmm

[sharp badger]

Had some KZ ZN Pro headphones they were quite good, sadly they stopped working, bought a new cable and that didn't help 🥲

[astral haven]

saderino

[sharp badger]

But i've got 3 other pairs now wireless only though Edifier X3 , QCY T13 & 1More ComfoBuds Pro

[astral haven]

i use cra+ and az09 combo

[fickle ore]

Tbh I wish they were wireless with mic aswell

But can't have everything 🙂

[sharp badger]

Oooh nice! 👍

[astral haven]

what?

[sharp badger]

Might need to start looking into more IEMs now then 😆

[fickle ore]

welcome to the club

[ashen spindle]

meta connect soon, lets get some copium for deckard announcement like they did with index 🙏

[astral haven]

deckARD is a bit further off tho than I would hope

[sharp badger]

Oh they're streaming today*

[crisp granite]

^^^^^^

[ashen spindle]

I need something to replace my rift since the sound is dead on one side and I really dont want something else so close to next gen launching lmfao

[sharp badger]

Always nice with new stuff

[ashen spindle]

anyway get ready, 30 minutes for the methverse announcement

[astral haven]

you wanna spend 1600 on a headset?

[ashen spindle]

I want to convince my company I should get a deckard and then use it outside of company time as well

[astral haven]

quest pro also uses the same soc as the quest 2

need to wait for q3 for new soc

[ashen spindle]

well I dont want any oculus lmfao

rift was nice but I'd rather not get meta

[astral haven]

well the q3 and deckard are probably cotemporal

[crisp granite]

@ashen spindle

[ashen spindle]

what

[pale sigil]

Linus fucked up CP2077 benchies?

[chrome estuary]

linus fucked something up?

gasp

what a surprise

it's a plot twist

[fair gull]

https://tenor.com/view/pikachu-shocked-face-stunned-pokemon-shocked-not-shocked-omg-gif-24112152

[pale sigil]

Haha

[ashen spindle]

I mean, it should be more of a surprise now with them having the labs people do it extensively

[pale sigil]

Ye

[ashen spindle]

what did they mess up?

[shadow minnow]

^

[pale sigil]

Their benchmarks for cyberpunk 2077 dlss off are not remotely close to anyone else's and they are only similar to dlss benchmarks

[shadow minnow]

Linus said they tested it multiple times

Because he was also surprised

I think

[pale sigil]

I know

[reef patrol]

Anthony

[pale sigil]

To be specific

[ashen spindle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TdjBlO7sO0g @astral haven gigabyte boards looking better again, bad bios at least wont kill it because sample size of 1 clearly means asus=bad

[shadow minnow]

My 11900k died kinda similarly without a reason

Though weird thing was I actually got it to turn on once more once with different bios chip, but then it stopped working there too after reset

[astral haven]

bz also set static voltage on ambient cooling

[shadow minnow]

Well it still shouldn’t just die like that

[astral haven]

this was absolutely a case of new being low voltage tolerance

[shadow minnow]

Temp wasn’t too high and he actually decreased the voltage

[astral haven]

uh
this is like throwing 1.7v at your 11900k

[shadow minnow]

Would it instantly die at 33c?

[astral haven]

voltage

[shadow minnow]

I doubt the degradation would be that fast

[astral haven]

not temperature

my 6400 died instantly when i set too high a voltage

[shadow minnow]

Well even with overvolting temperature matters a bit

On colder temps you can overvolt more without breaking the thing

[astral haven]

yes
it was ambient

not cold

[shadow minnow]

Tbf it can die at ambient easily too

Even if it’s not as easy as 100c

[astral haven]

yes if you are pushing too much voltage

[shadow minnow]

Yes but the too much voltage boundary is different at 33c than 100c

[ashen spindle]

dont think the difference is a lot

[shadow minnow]

Probably not too much tbh

[astral haven]

its really not much

[ashen spindle]

well, go ahead and try it on your 11900k and let us know, also gives you an option to get a better system afterwards

[shadow minnow]

But well, sad it happened to AHOC, not someone who can really just afford replacing it

AHOC has some great really in depth videos

[astral haven]

tldr static bad for 7000

[ashen spindle]

ngl the thing that shows metaverse just isnt a thing is that they literally have nothing to show in the background aside from beatsaber

[astral haven]

the transients from booting windows are probably what ended the cpu

[shadow minnow]

Mark already looks like a meta verse character ngl

[stark bobcat]

I hope vr becomes popular

[astral haven]

what fkn metaverse lel

[stark bobcat]

Vr is cool

Facebook on the other hand

[shadow minnow]

It is but I don’t want it to go too far tbh

What would be cool are AR glasses with self tinting glass that can turn into VR

[astral haven]

vr hardware has the revenue of a console

its pretty fkn big

[stark bobcat]

Ye but it also has non consumer applications unlike consoles

[astral haven]

🤷

idgaf how it gets popular

[pale sigil]

Thank you

[astral haven]

moar uzerz

[stark bobcat]

Yeah but I also want more games

[astral haven]

🤷

[ashen spindle]

surely valve drops deckard any second now

[astral haven]

you played bonelab?

[ashen spindle]

https://tenor.com/view/copium-meme-pepe-frog-gif-26117735

[pale sigil]

Can I get a link

[shadow minnow]

No

[stark bobcat]

No I wouldn't spoil such an experience with my paltry htc vive

[astral haven]

https://store.steampowered.com/agecheck/app/1592190/

[pale sigil]

For the meta stream