Eh they both do fine
#🔌│tech
vagrant pagoda
stark bobcat
u can underclock it and if it s stable then the cpu has degraded
ashen spindle
while cpus can run a decade without issue, running stock doesnt meant they are guaranteed to run that long at stock
vagrant pagoda
AMD was bulletproof in the phenom days
cursive summit
Only reason I ever touched the BIOS was to turn on virtualizer for my VM to work 
ashen spindle
if you have bad luck yours might not run stock at the current settings anymore
stark bobcat
if that doesn't fix it it might be something else or the cpu is ded
vagrant pagoda
Cpus would take anything
fair gull
if you have bad luck yours might not run stock at the current settings anymore
would u get bus interconnect errors tho or just system instability
vagrant pagoda
In would bet thermalpaste degrading before cpu
stark bobcat
the cpu in the rig I am using rn is well over that
ashen spindle
would u get bus interconnect errors tho or just system instability
the IF clock could be causing the whea erros in this case for example, so not regular uncore but IF settings could be the solution
cursive summit
Tell that to people who are still happily using 1st and 2nd gen Intels
vagrant pagoda
the cpu in the rig I am using rn is well over that
I have my release day 1090t
cursive summit
i5-2500K was great
vagrant pagoda
It ran sub ambient for 5 years
halcyon moss
lol
vagrant pagoda
4.3ghz at 1.55v
stark bobcat
uhhhhhhh source
halcyon moss
you're just talking outta your arse
vagrant pagoda
uhhhhhhh source
Defusion gets worst as temperature increases
But there isn't a set temperature
fair gull
no
halcyon moss
regurgitating
ashen spindle
they dont even measure temperature the same between different generations
final flame
CPUs normal working temperature is at around 65c
ashen spindle
and every generation has different characteristics on how much they are affected at a given temperature
stark bobcat
"Although most Intel processors reach Tj Max or Throttle temperature at 100°C (212°F)"
fair gull
my cpu can run well over 90degrees diode temp and then throttles
final flame
lol no, 65c is quite a healthy temp
cursive summit
Seems that my DRAM rn is at stock 2400MHz clock
I turned off the PSU for solid 5 mins, still bootcycles constantly
fair gull
most my customer machines i test also can go up to 100degrees basically
astral haven
Some people don't understand the difference between power and thermal throttling and it shows
cursive summit
It seems that the BIOS works just fine
But as soon as the motherboard tries loading SSD contents it shits the brick and dies
fair gull
100 is bigger than 65
final flame
laptops usually under heavy load run the CPU until it throttles at around 100c
stark bobcat
intel tjmax on desktop cpus is usually 100C
final flame
^
cursive summit
I wonder if the Intel "SSD is at 60% health" is what died on me
astral haven
intel tjmax on desktop cpus is usually 100C
They report it's 95 but in silicon it's usually 105
final flame
65c is on the cold end for silicone, running at that temp will be fine for even long term
ashen spindle
65C cpu package could also just mean some cores are at 40c and one is running at 90C since we never even mentioned its a core temp and not package
astral haven
Nah Intel swapped package to mean the highest temp sensor a while ago
ashen spindle
in the 6600k already?
astral haven
Your ram probably is
stark bobcat
They report it's 95 but in silicon it's usually 105
I guess I should have said around 100
stark bobcat
I wonder if the Intel "SSD is at 60% health" is what died on me
could be u got another boot medium
astral haven
in the 6600k already?
My 6400 did 🤷♂️
stark bobcat
65C really is not hot for silicon
ashen spindle
different products also work differently, a ram chip isn't made the same way a cpu or gpu is
final flame
^
astral haven
And ram chips use dimm temp sensors not built in ones
Bdie starts to have issues at 90c tdie, but that can be as low as 50c tdimm
wheat plume
the Deck screen is automatically turned sideways, so the screen was built to run in portrait mode initially?
stark bobcat
soon I will be able to dial my bdie in
was such a waste of time to even attempt with the imc on the 2600x
ashen spindle
then we have the classic nvme situation where you want one part warm one part cold for optimal efficiency
final flame
isnt there not definitive evidence cooling ssds makes a difference
in performance or long life
ashen spindle
I dont think it affects performance, just efficency
stark bobcat
anyone got any settings I should start at?
I wanna do 1:1:1 on a 5600
The topology on the mobo is T-topology I am running 4x8 b-die I wanna run 1.35v but I could also go 1.45
ashen spindle
get some glue so you have 2x16 sticks and it gets easier
astral haven
was such a waste of time to even attempt with the imc on the 2600x
thats extremely untrue
bdie's biggest gains are from secondaries (real world performance wise)
fuck amd for not giving access to rfc? i think it was
or was it refi
stark bobcat
thats extremely untrue
bdie's biggest gains are from secondaries (real world per...
I mean waste of time since I was always gonna upgrade and didnt wanna waste time
astral haven
eh you can use those tuned timings as a baseline for the new system
it takes actually 5 minutes to deal with the faw group
vagrant pagoda
My 5800x3d dose 1900flck
Running 3800cl16 pretty tight timings
Not bad on 16gb sticks.
astral haven
fclk is basically independent from the ram quality tbh
vagrant pagoda
Lol
vagrant pagoda
That's why I said my 5800x3d dose 1900 fclk
astral haven
yap
vagrant pagoda
The 3800cl16 is really good for 16gig sticks
somber schooner
or was it refi
it is refi
trfc u can still tune down a shit ton depending on the sticks and your cooling, but ye trefi is not accessible on amd
astral haven
yea my bdie can take such long intervals its actually crazy
it cant clock very high, but damn does it not leak
somber schooner
i got 2 sets of DR bdie for 200 bucks 
though i overpaid for the mobo in the package deal but still coming out ahead anyways
astral haven
i got 64gb of dr bdie for like 160
somber schooner
nice
wheat plume
File Explorer crashed real badly .-.
somber schooner
person didn't know what they had?
astral haven
doesnt matter they are all identical
vagrant pagoda
I think if I went to 2 sticks I could get 15 it even 14
astral haven
think it was the 2400 bin?
somber schooner
theyre not all identical
i mean
in the big picture yeah they perform mostly the same
astral haven
2133 2400 and 2666 are identical
astral haven
oem samsung sticks is all you can get for bdie (ecc)
stark bobcat
I think if I went to 2 sticks I could get 15 it even 14
Which motherboard u got?
astral haven
and there are only those 3 bins
somber schooner
gotcha
ye i got 3200cl14 64gb of it for 200
which is pretty good all things considered
wonder if it'll do better than my 4266cl17 bin which is cursed
but higher bins usually give better voltage reqs
4000cl14 bin only needs 1.44v for 3800CL14
astral haven
my sr 32gb kit i got for 23 per stick came with 3200 flat 14
gusty kiln
vagrant pagoda
Which motherboard u got?
X570 tachi
astral haven
my sr 32gb kit i got for 23 per stick came with 3200 flat 14
but ive only ran it on threadripper so its basically stuck at 3200 lmao
stark bobcat
Fellow asrock enjoyer
somber schooner
now we wait and see what the 500hz can do
stark bobcat
I doubt asrock has the best mem oc tho
somber schooner
his tests in every review are always jank btw
gusty kiln
Yeah
somber schooner
but it still looks better than the 360hz ips
stark bobcat
Dunno what topology the tachi is
somber schooner
need companies to send ashun monitors
gusty kiln
Link?
vagrant pagoda
I doubt asrock has the best mem oc tho
Nah msi is the goto for mem
gusty kiln
Never heard of this person
somber schooner
oh
he changed channel name to his website name
his reviews are extremely good, writes written ones too with tons of tests/pics/measurements
vagrant pagoda
And b550 not x570
stark bobcat
Ye
gusty kiln
Oh wait I've seen him before
astral haven
x570 is sad times
somber schooner
asrock b550i is pretty good for ram topologyfqsd
stark bobcat
Well topology is one thing
stark bobcat
There are more variables
somber schooner
it fucking autofilled
vagrant pagoda
asrock b550i is pretty good for ram topologyfqsd
The b550 unifi is like king though
vagrant pagoda
For latency tuning
somber schooner
b550 unify x is beast
vagrant pagoda
You absolute clock speed you want an xoc board
astral haven
crosshair gene hype
somber schooner
(not mine)
god i wish i bought the 4000cl14 DR bin when it still existed
shit is so ridiculous
stark bobcat
Did they ever fix usb issues? My asrock board still has them
somber schooner
think so? i havent experienced any at least
stark bobcat
Wooting board has made it more noticeable
astral haven
just buy b550 and monolithic chip
somber schooner
well aida is a troll benchmark leaderboard but its still very impressive thing to get stable regardless
astral haven
Did they ever fix usb issues? My asrock board still has them
but yea no amd already confirmed they cant fix the issue, just make it less frequent or noticeable, and it will happen on all non promontory boards and all 5000 and 3000 iodies
i am very very very happy to hear that am5 is all promontory (for now)
vagrant pagoda
Don't think you can 2100 fclk on a X3D though
ashen spindle
what they fixed is the issue where wooting boards would not work at all in some usb port/device combinations for a while now
astral haven
stable tho?
vagrant pagoda
I've seen 2100 once on a x2d
astral haven
because just because it boots doesnt mean its working
vagrant pagoda
Soc volts were sky high
astral haven
what the actual hell wow thats impressive
ashen spindle
isnt aida small enough to fit into the v cache so the latency test effectively doesnt work or was that another benchmark
astral haven
no
vagrant pagoda
1.2 vsoc is scary lol
astral haven
IMLC can be run in a mode that doesnt defeat cache, but it also can bypass cache on x3d
stark bobcat
but yea no amd already confirmed they cant fix the issue, just make it less freq...
Do u know why it occurs?
astral haven
also my cpu has more cache than x3d and its a laptop chip 
astral haven
Do u know why it occurs?
silicon bug is what amd said
stark bobcat
🙄
astral haven
reason it can happen on b550 is bc the bug is in the 3k/5k iodie
and x570 physically is a 3k/5k iodie
stark bobcat
X570 is sadness
ashen spindle
better solution
astral haven
the advice i get from amd fanboys tho is dont fkn use fewer usb devices and it irritates the heck out of me when people say that
vagrant pagoda
I've never have a USB issue
ashen spindle
cant have usb issue if you arent using usb
vagrant pagoda
I just have a 2.5g.issue
ashen spindle
yeah same also never had any issues since they fixed the original issue of it not working at all
astral haven
yea technically the issue is the chip itself crashing
so anything that requires qos will also crash
but anything that can queue can be fine
if you are running benchmarks on nvme devices, you can see the activity drop to zero while the controller reboots
and it will pick right back up no problem now
if you have audio over usb, some devices will skip, some devices will crash, and some devices will bsod the computer
fkn scarlett
somber schooner
amd xd
astral haven
scarlett drivers shouldnt bsod the computer if you unplug the device while playing music tho
somber schooner
if 13th gen gives uplift in the games i play i move to that and sell my rig(s)
windows 7 is less buggy on intel anyways it seems
astral haven
ew
ashen spindle
oh god why are you on the internet with win7
vagrant pagoda
Never had issue with USB audio. Is it only if you use chipset pcie?
ashen spindle
but yes 13th gen will likely take the crown till zen4 v cache in hopefully Q1 next year
aside from the games where intel showed they still lose to the 5800x3d
astral haven
Never had issue with USB audio. Is it only if you use chipset pcie?
if you max out the x4 link to the chipset for longer than a tiny bit, the chipset crashes
anything attached to the chipset will crash
vagrant pagoda
aside from the games where intel showed they still lose to the 5800x3d <:dogekek...
Spaghetti code is strong
vagrant pagoda
if you max out the x4 link to the chipset for longer than a tiny bit, the chipse...
Ah the only thing I have on chipset is USB. Lol
somber schooner
depends, overwatch and val are a lot more ram/mem bound than single thread perf, so it's pretty possible that a 5800x3d will still outdo in my use case. + zen4 v cache would require me to get mobo + ram + cpu vs just new cpu
vagrant pagoda
And 2.5g
somber schooner
^for me
vagrant pagoda
But I think my 2.5g issue is from the actual Ethernet controller
ashen spindle
uhh if you go to intel you will also need a new board, unless you already are on ADL?
somber schooner
i have a board sitting around that i got on sale for good price
vagrant pagoda
realtek or intel?
Worst killer lol
astral haven
pretty likely that its the controller if its realtek cause you really dont have the bandwidth to crash the controller unless you use a bunch of usb drives
astral haven
Worst killer lol
killer can be intel or realtek
vagrant pagoda
So Intel with shitty drivers
astral haven
so probably realtek
somber schooner
what board
somber schooner
unfortunate
vagrant pagoda
If you force it to 1g no issues
With 2.5g you have to reset the link once aday
It it will do 2.5 speeds fine.
astral haven
yea thats really a shame
stark bobcat
I always have all usb ports populated and I do get the usb issues sometimes
vagrant pagoda
i want that gen 5 active riser lel
I am hoping for a Asus ws x670 with 10g+ and chipset x8
astral haven
same
vagrant pagoda
The x570 has a x8 chipset
cursive summit
People are saying that whea18 likely is a cpu voltage issue
astral haven
i have the ws x570 lel
dont need to tell me
stark bobcat
People are saying that whea18 likely is a cpu voltage issue
I don't doubt it which is why u should try downclocking
cursive summit
My current ryzen 3600 voltage is 1.44V
vagrant pagoda
ASRocks pro is 10g
cursive summit
Is that too much
stark bobcat
My current ryzen 3600 voltage is 1.44V
I d say so
cursive summit
Peeps are saying to downclock to 1.25V
astral haven
Idk why the x570ws is only 2.5g
its actually a fkn tragedy
stark bobcat
Putting the voltage down won't do anything now that it's degraded
cursive summit
Thing is I have never really done OC before on this board so I have literally no clue how to do it
stark bobcat
U need to lower the voltage and clockspeed
stark bobcat
If it's auto behaviour blame asus
astral haven
gotta remember the auto voltages are solidly over the actual silicon voltage
vagrant pagoda
I would get the x570 Xtreme if I could get a good deal
10g + x4 chipset that doesn't share with a m.2
astral haven
god please do not do that
cursive summit
Wtf else am I supposed to do
somber schooner
leave shit at auto?
somber schooner
if the 1.45v is something you haven't manually touched at all, leave it
the auto voltages go up and down and are intended to work like that, they're not static
cursive summit
leave shit at auto?
And be stuck in a bootloop?
somber schooner
how did you get here...
astral haven
you reset the bios to factory and it bootloops?
somber schooner
like how did you get to 1.45v where it keeps you stuck in bootloader
cursive summit
you reset the bios to factory and it bootloops?
Obv
stark bobcat
I need to downclock it to 1.25V
Don't change the voltage lower the clockspeed
vagrant pagoda
How do you know it's a 1.45 is it's bootlooping
astral haven
^
stark bobcat
If that boots u know the problem
astral haven
whea 18 can be from many many things
i would first recommend power switch off, remove cmos battery, press power button, put cmos battery back in, power switch on
cursive summit
I dunno if you read but like 4 mins ago I already said I did all of that
vagrant pagoda
Whea18 for me has always been 8pin cable
astral haven
if you did not follow those exact steps including physically removing the battery please do now
vagrant pagoda
Bad cable or psu
astral haven
battery out of case for over 30 seconds with no power to the computer
stark bobcat
I doubt it's a cable but I am not super familiar with this issue
vagrant pagoda
I doubt it's a cable but I am not super familiar with this issue
Then it could be
Or again bad psu
cursive summit
This motherboard is terrible, there's no option for CPU clock tuning
vagrant pagoda
A noisy 12v rail will do it
astral haven
psus have alot of capacitors to go bad
cursive summit
PSU is fine
vagrant pagoda
PSU is fine
You load tested it?
cursive summit
My issue is 0xd01a0ffe00000000
That's the event view reported thing while I could still access the PC
It was restarting constantly
Now it doesn't boot at all
vagrant pagoda
I'm going with power issue 100%
astral haven
wow its almost like its a random hardware issue that could be basically anything
vagrant pagoda
Sounds exactly like power delivery getting worst and worst
vagrant pagoda
Modular PSU?
cursive summit
Corsair vs650
astral haven
yikes vs
astral haven
at least its not cx tho lel
final flame
I forgot white even was a thing
vagrant pagoda
Do you have a spare psu to test with,m
cursive summit
Uhh
vagrant pagoda
Or atleast reseat all the cables.
cursive summit
It just fixed itself
vagrant pagoda
Any 40 series GPUs still have good old 8 pin connectors?
Some board partners do
cursive summit
Okay I fucking hate Asus motherboards
astral haven
did you take out the bios battery?
vagrant pagoda
Atleast leaked do
vagrant pagoda
4 8pins
shadow minnow
Some board partners do
Which?
Gigabyte for example no longer has multiple HDMIs 😦
astral haven
asus
cursive summit
I wanted to downclock the cpu to 3200mhz
astral haven
you wont get 8 pins tho
shadow minnow
But what about my nice cables 
cursive summit
There is no option for that in Asus bios
astral haven
But what about my nice cables <:pepecry:643973235188170753>
get nicer smaller cables
cursive summit
I press on something called "OC tuner'
ashen spindle
just accept you dont need uncompressed video stream for your SECONDARY monitor and you have a ton of options
shadow minnow
There is no option for that in Asus bios
Have you tried first installing your wifi drivers?
cursive summit
Instant restart and the PC works
shadow minnow
get nicer smaller cables
Won’t match the rest
I have the Corsair set
Of braided cables
astral haven
There is no option for that in Asus bios
thats not true, the option exists, but you shouldnt use it because ryzen haaaaaates fixed clocks
cursive summit
So an option called 'OC tuner' somehow crashed the motherboard and it reset
What the fuck
final flame
I have a bitphoenix set of cables
vagrant pagoda
You can get aftermarket cables that are direct to 12pin
ashen spindle
for most amd stuff you want to use ryzen master, even for XOC
ashen spindle
not for offsets that you first need to set but for the rest
astral haven
you set the ryzen master settings in the amd oc section of bios
that way you dont have that very broken program running
ooooh actually i have an idea of what I want
I want 2 x16 slot motherboard
top x16 slot is labeled and designed to fit a riser card that has 4 m.2 slots
or bottom x16
either or
stark bobcat
So someone changed something
On german train in the middle of nowhere rn so hardly any internet
@cursive summit from the screenshot I think it's in offset mode meaning not auto this would mean someone changed something but it's been a while since I used my asus mobo
Could be wrong
Or is that just you trying to do 1.25v?
cursive summit
I was trying to do 1.25V
But I gave up since peeps said that was wrong
So I looked around for CPU freq clock options
Couldn't find any
Found an option called "OC tuner", pressed enter
It asked "do you want to tune your oc option", I was like sure, accept
Motherboard restarted and booted into windows log in screen with no issues
I was like wtf, it just fixed itself out of the blue
So I did nothing, waited a bit
It didn't seem to restart, it was sitting on login screen
I was like, crisis averted? Typed in the password
Instant restart
Back to bootloading
astral haven
oc tuner is automatic overclocking
cursive summit
So I'm rn updating the motherboard bios
cursive summit
Yes?
Click on the CMOS clip, battery popped out
Waited 5 mins
Put it back in and properly seated it
astral haven
with the power to the computer unplugged?
cursive summit
Obviously
astral haven
and you pressed the power button during those 5 mins?
cursive summit
PSU turned off, cable unplugged
cursive summit
and you pressed the power button during those 5 mins?
No?
stark bobcat
Is it actually required to press the power button I never had to do that
astral haven
its the only way to make 100% sure the psu is fully empty
cursive summit
Fml the bios update did nothing
ashen spindle
For resetting the bios it’s usually not needed but if you are troubleshooting you want to make sure all the stored power gets discharged
astral haven
^
cursive summit
Ok I am doing the CMOS reset
astral haven
personally i use that time to reseat all the cables to the motherboard and dust out the pc too but what do i know i only do this as a job lel
cursive summit
So, wait 5 mins and spam the power button?
cursive summit
Is 30s all that you need?
astral haven
thats how long it takes me to dust the pc out and reseat the cables normally and its always worked to just do that for me
cursive summit
Cause after this I am out of options, either 1) Downclock CPU 2) see if the weird "oc tuner" restarts my pc into working order again
astral haven
also are you running xmp?
stark bobcat
Lower the cpu clockspeed is the best option I'd say
stark bobcat
Well
cursive summit
I don't even know where that option even is
astral haven
docp means running xmp
stark bobcat
Amd motherboards have xmp support
cursive summit
I am not running d.o.c.p
astral haven
if you have docp available, you might as well try it
disables some power savings but eh
cursive summit
Seems the 3600 might have randomly kicked the bucket
stark bobcat
Man am I lucky I always have spare psu and rams to troubleshoot any issues
cursive summit
Like I might try to use an USB stick to reset windows, but all of my passwords are there
cursive summit
But will that uninstall all the firefox, antivirus apps?
I genuinely don't remember
astral haven
depends on how careful you are
stark bobcat
Just use another drive
cursive summit
I only have 2 drives, C: and D:, no other spares
fair gull
But will that uninstall all the firefox, antivirus apps?
if you dont wipe the partitions and just install it into a partition that has windows the installer will move it into windows.old
so you could pull back out the firefox appdata
which includes passwords
just dont format or delete anything
cursive summit
I also used kaspersky password manager that came with the AV suite
stark bobcat
Can't you also boot from usb?
cursive summit
Can't you also boot from usb?
I did used to boot linux from usb
fair gull
its basically a windows PE
stark bobcat
Try it
astral haven
windows live > windows pe
fair gull
yesnt
astral haven
or drivers
fair gull
it would just confirm it can still run an os
cursive summit
I guess I'll try booting tails like I did once a while ago
Tails OS wasn't that bad
fair gull
might be better since u can load the system from a linux live boot
as i imagine you dont just have aida64 laying round on a windows install usb
cursive summit
Alright booting with a "properly" cleared CMOS
Waited for like 20 mins
And I already hear bootcycling, lel
astral haven
is it posting?
cursive summit
To BIOS and the splash screen where you can press F2, yes
fair gull
has to be he gets into the UEFI
cursive summit
As soon as the windows "loading wheel" appears, it restarts
stark bobcat
Shush the adults are talking
fair gull
As soon as the windows "loading wheel" appears, it restarts
linux usb to the rescue
astral haven
yea if you do have a linux disk laying around might as well give it a shot
cursive summit
I sure damn hope a live OS will boot, meaning the components are fine
stark bobcat
I sure damn hope a live OS will boot, meaning the components are fine
That isn't what it means
cursive summit
I think it's just the windows that fucked itself again
stark bobcat
Could be
cursive summit
I always had weird crashes on windows
stark bobcat
Let's hope
stark bobcat
Windows needs to be reinstalled every once in a while
cursive summit
I just hope all my apps stay
All of my passwords are just in firefox
And they are random
fair gull
Windows needs to be reinstalled every once in a while
thats not entirely true
unless every once in a while means after 12 years or so
stark bobcat
thats not entirely true
For people like me
astral haven
yea ive got absolutely ancient windows installs that still work
frozen ingot
I haven't reinstalled windows on my old laptop since 2016 or so
still runs like a clock
frozen ingot
I keep wondering what people do to keep having issues all the time
fair gull
failed to god knows what in bsods related to a non existent dll
only time i reinstalled windows
cursive summit
I wish that win7 was still supported, I never had any issues with that
Flawless OS
stark bobcat
I'll just blame cosmic rays and not my habits of installing junk
cursive summit
Win10 for me is full of instabilities
Doesn't boot, drivers crashing, apps not working
fair gull
Doesn't boot, drivers crashing, apps not working
ngl dont have that issue
or any of those
stark bobcat
If your system is unstable any os will corrupt eventually
astral haven
not windows iot lmao
fair gull
its also not like windows isnt fixable
cursive summit
As long as the tinkering doesn't involve buying new components, I don't mind tinkering
fair gull
its just that people really like to keep the secrets of properly diagnosing and fixing windows installs
cursive summit
You never explained how to read the crash reports either
fair gull
windbg
astral haven
tbh
chkdsk /f
sfc /scannow
dism /online /cleanup-image /restorehealth
99% of windows problems gone
fair gull
would require me to give you a whole talk about how to use windbg commands and stuff
read the stacktraces
sometimes looking into win dlls
cursive summit
That's not nice, OceanGlider
stark bobcat
Angry now are we
fair gull
tbh
chkdsk /f
sfc /scannow
dism /online /cleanup-image /restorehealth
chkdsk /f /r /x
the holy trio
astral haven
what do r and x do?
stark bobcat
You sound angry
fair gull
x force dismounts
astral haven
on my c drive?
fair gull
and r repairs bad sectors and recovers data
astral haven
no thanks
fair gull
i just give x to make sure a volume gets unmounted for proper repair
astral haven
it wont chkdsk /f
oh yea i have used chkdsk /f /r before
r takes forever and makes a bunch of junk files tho in my experience
fair gull
also regarding sfc and dism
the logs of those sometimes also help even if they fail
telling you what packages are missing
so you can manually replace catalogs or mums
astral haven
investigating that stuff was too much time for my boss
astral haven
he just wanted me to reinstall windows whenever there was that sort of problem to begin with
fair gull
and data cant just be copied
sometimes i need to pull backups via the programs backup function
so making it boot is really important sometimes
astral haven
he wanted to sell the customer backup software lel
stark bobcat
@cursive summit did u try booting from usb yet?
somber schooner
You sound angry
ignore oceanglider, its a troll
cursive summit
<@290176243544883200> did u try booting from usb yet?
Soon
fair gull
he wanted to sell the customer backup software lel
i mean we do that anyway
stark bobcat
ignore oceanglider, its a troll
I noticed
fair gull
drivesnapshot is a god sent
dirt cheap and the best imaging and backup tool for entire disks
astral haven
my new job is great tho
users are barely allowed to store files locally on the computer
fair gull
literally works anywhere
can use VSS writers
and can even mount its images from its tiny ass binary
1 whole mb
astral haven
and can even mount its images from its tiny ass binary
thats pretty impressive
it support saving to nfs servers?
fair gull
anything windows takes as a path
astral haven
interesting
fair gull
spews out logs
astral haven
you able to psexec it?
fair gull
even tells you if disks have bad sectors
fair gull
you able to psexec it?
should be able to ya
i mean try it
they offer it 30days no limitations
also expensive af
/s
astral haven
oh
yea my work wouldnt be able to buy that
fair gull
how
stark bobcat
The human eye can only see 30fps 💀
fair gull
mainly cause its just so handy
astral haven
it does seem pretty good
fair gull
need to only restore the first 2048 sectors? sure
astral haven
does it have any differential function?
fair gull
not saying you have to buy it but i heard that a license gen exists
astral haven
my server is currently having an aneurism from a year and a half of uptime and being a standard windows desktop install
cursive summit
Right, booting off of live usb
astral haven
i need to fix that and get all the data i currently have on it uploaded to google
fair gull
i need to fix that and get all the data i currently have on it uploaded to googl...
i literally directly write pc backups to google by mounting google shared drives as a network share with rclone
cursive summit
Looks like it couldn't boot off of live usb
cursive summit
But now I'm back to windows startup repair
fair gull
or just taking out all ram sticks but 1
cursive summit
It's done bootloading
stark bobcat
But now I'm back to windows startup repair
Waste of time imo
astral haven
i literally directly write pc backups to google by mounting google shared drives...
my internet is too slow and I do want a full local backup
fair gull
cursive summit
Waste of time imo
I'll try reseting windows?
cursive summit
Ahh shit
It restarted before I could even launch windows reset
I bet it'd have died during windows reset as well
Tf is wrong with this PC man
cursive summit
or just taking out all ram sticks but 1
I actually did that
And it didn't work either
Could the ryzen genuinely kick the bucket this time around
stark bobcat
I'll try reseting windows?
It won't boot into another os so your system is unstable trying to repair windows would probably do more damage
Please lower cpu clockspeed to like 2ghz
fair gull
ya id lower clocks
astral haven
as if amd makes that easy tho :/
fair gull
there should be a ratio multiplier
stark bobcat
At least for me 2600x there is
fair gull
the one ur mouse is on
stark bobcat
Cpu ratio
cursive summit
I can't access it though
astral haven
set it to 20 yea
cursive summit
It's grey
astral haven
type in 20
stark bobcat
Ai overclocker off maybe
cursive summit
20 didn't work, it went up to 28
stark bobcat
Then 28 it is
fair gull
still 800mhz lower than ur default
cursive summit
And then I suppose comes a save and restart?
cursive summit
Still restarting
stark bobcat
That means it's degraded
fair gull
ideally ud still try ram that wasnt in ur system
gusty kiln
do you guys shuck drives?
stark bobcat
Auto voltage?
cursive summit
At 2.4GHz voltage is rn at 1.09V
fair gull
thats auto volted ya
cursive summit
Memory is 2400MHz at 1.2V
fair gull
ngl if you really dont have ANY other ram that fits
id put my money on a dead cpu
or well
damaged to the point of non usability
cursive summit
But the CPU was literally fine this morning
Nothing was done to it
Things shouldn't just die
gusty kiln
oof
astral haven
this also wont confirm its the cpu that is deadzo
stark bobcat
Maybe up it a bit and see if it boots just a tad tho voltage is what kills the cpu
astral haven
psu and motherboard absolutely can both cause this
stark bobcat
psu and motherboard absolutely can both cause this
This is true
fair gull
usually theyd fail more
cursive summit
I'll try booting live usb again
astral haven
but i never had a psu degrade so much that it causes this
i have
cursive summit
Motherboard is my guess maybe, I had terrible luck with asus
stark bobcat
I hate asus with a passion
cursive summit
Like failing to save the settings in bios after "save and restart"
And booting live OS also restarted the PC, again
astral haven
asus also happens to be the vendor with the only functional reset on failure to boot
cursive summit
Well I have exhausted my options at this point, I dunno if the PC will even boot a windows USB yet
astral haven
wait so its failing to boot with 28 mult?
cursive summit
Yes?
stark bobcat
Well I have exhausted my options at this point, I dunno if the PC will even boot...
My money is on won't
astral haven
time to dust your pc
astral haven
try unplugging your windows drive
stark bobcat
U could make a video
wheat plume
So, File Explorer is becoming non-responsive and crashing everytime it cannot find the Deck on the network
.-.
can nothing just work properly on Windows?????
cursive summit
I mean, turn on PC, see Asus branded splash screen, Windows spinny thingy appears, PC restarts instantly back to splash screen, silence, spinny thing appears, instant restart
fair gull
only ur windows
wheat plume
now its totally gone
stark bobcat
I mean, turn on PC, see Asus branded splash screen, Windows spinny thingy appear...
And with boot from usb?
cursive summit
If windows fails to boot 3 times, it goes to "advanced repair" or somthing like that, so I see the text for like 3 secs a d it restarts again
cursive summit
And with boot from usb?
Restarts after I select option to "launch Tails"
So, after boot
ashen spindle
now its totally gone
it being gone is not related to file explorer but it not being connected or being set up wrong in almost all cases
crimson wigeon
Have you tried moving the RAM to another channel
ashen spindle
if file explorer cant find it that's not on the file explorer
cursive summit
I guess I'll try moving the ram again and only running a single die
I have dual channel 2x8gb
stark bobcat
Hmmm and you don't have any spare psu?
cursive summit
Still bootloading
cursive summit
Hmmm and you don't have any spare psu?
Sadly not
stark bobcat
Changed slots and running only 1 stick
But both of the sticks each alone I assume yes
cursive summit
I could invest into a new PSU + motherboard + RAM
I was planning to build a new rig
astral haven
and did you try unplugging all the drives besides tails?
cursive summit
and did you try unplugging all the drives besides tails?
No cause I sure af am not unscrewing my card to get the Intel SSD out
stark bobcat
I could invest into a new PSU + motherboard + RAM
I'd say at that point build a system with new intel cpus
astral haven
intel ssd
stark bobcat
Amd isn't worth it atm
astral haven
uh uo
cursive summit
>intel ssd
660p
astral haven
ripperino
cursive summit
It's a little shit but it works
cursive summit
I find it funny how my Samsung 860 is at 96% life while the 660p is at like 60% or some shit
According to hwinfo
astral haven
they have an afr of 20%
far as i know the worst failure of a drive that isnt the a400
stark bobcat
A400 kekw
cursive summit
Well shit lads, what are my options
New RAM?
Better PSU?
Replace this fucking disgrace of a mobo?
astral haven
try getting the 660p out of your boot order
stark bobcat
Better psu 100% since that will always carry over
cursive summit
try getting the 660p out of your boot order
... that is where Windows lies
astral haven
yes and its probably in limp mode right now
stark bobcat
I used my 800hx for 10 years or so now
stark bobcat
Just get the best one for the money
stark bobcat
Plenty of good units out there
cursive summit
Scores top end on the LTT PSU tier list
I was eyeing the Ion+ so I guess I'll get that
stark bobcat
Be aware I kind of doubt it'll fix your pc
astral haven
im confident it wont
now knowing you have a 660p i want to blame all the problems on it
stark bobcat
Try unplugging it ig
astral haven
especially one that is already reporting itself as starting to fail
stark bobcat
Idk anything about drive related failures tbh
cursive summit
Fine I'll do it tomorrowz lads
My wife wants to watch One Piece
I am being held prisoner
PC can stay overnight I guess, I'll look into it with a clear head
astral haven
Idk anything about drive related failures tbh
the 660p has a limp mode that will spit out write errors if you try to write
you can read from it without many problems tho
astral haven
🤷
cursive summit
Intel made multiple "cheap" SSDs, some of them are not bad probably
astral haven
i only know a person who was deploying 660ps and had 200 of them fail
stark bobcat
Ooooooof
astral haven
200 out of a thousand is atrocious for an ssd
cursive summit
My 660p was working well until now
Or...
Were all of my problems DUE to the SSD?
astral haven
yea they werent doa
they would just fail over time
stark bobcat
🤷♂️
astral haven
well the problem is that the 600 series was not made by intel
stark bobcat
Dafuq
astral haven
controllers are off the shelf and the nand was garbage
literally intel just supplied firmware
stark bobcat
Hmm that is very un-intel
stark bobcat
True
But tbh most of the time it says intel on something I expect at least part of the hardware to be intel made
astral haven
🤷
intel only partially owned optane
only part of optane they made on their own were the controllers
and i dont think those were even on intel fabs?
stark bobcat
I mean arc isn't made on intel fabs but I still count that as "intel made" same way as amd and Nvidia
astral haven
yea fair
but micron owned 3dxpoint
intel just had a few key patents they needed
micron was able to unilaterally close and sell the fab and intel couldnt do anything unless they wanted to bid more than TI was offering
wheat plume
I removed the Deck as a network drive
Adding it as a Network Location instead
And this seems a lot more stable now, so thats good
Explorer no longer crashes when the Deck is offline
wheat plume
sshfs
fair gull
u just repeated what i said
pale sigil
Why not just use scp
fair gull
cause a samba server would be the right way to make a network share available to windows
pale sigil
Or sftp
fair gull
see above
wheat plume
cause a samba server would be the right way to make a network share available to...
I tried samba, it didnt show up
pale sigil
Ye but it’s to transfer games
fair gull
cause u didnt configure it right
pale sigil
Lol
fair gull
every nas uses samba
wheat plume
Ye but it’s to transfer games
and other files and to do file manipulation cause I wanna remove all the shadert and proton files and shit for games I no longer have installed
pale sigil
Based on your screenshot your WiFi lan is poo. Tbh
fair gull
wifi lan
wheat plume
my wifi is shit, yes
fair gull
i cringed
wheat plume
custom boot animation <3
I muted the sound via ffmpeg cause I didnt want it to make noise
but it looks great :D
gusty kiln
@ashen spindle yikes rough day today
ashen spindle
huh?
gusty kiln
stonks
ashen spindle
eh yeah but I think the market is just overcorrecting a lot
gusty kiln
yeah
ashen spindle
only client went down, the other areas are up
and if we wait for intels guidelines that will not be the same 
gusty kiln
ashen spindle
think thats xilinx/pensando yeah
pale sigil
Client being workstations and laptops?
ashen spindle
also diy, gaming is mostly the gpu buisness
astral haven
no gaming is mostly consoles lel
pale sigil
Rip
ashen spindle
total sales yes, I mean the dip in that segment is coming from people waiting + light oversupply
gusty kiln
think PS5s are still hard to come by
ashen spindle
it's getting better but some areas yeah
gusty kiln
waiting for that console refresh
gusty kiln
well yeah
astral haven
eh rdna3 might be good enough to warrant a pro
ashen spindle
well
astral haven
definetly doubtful tho
ashen spindle
wellll
if only the series S wasn't a thing
that drags the generation down a good bit
gusty kiln
isn't that more for game streaming
ashen spindle
doesn't matter, no game dev is making a game that runs only on series X (idk if microsoft would even allow that)
would be silly to ignore so many potential buyers
astral haven
they already have some scraps of rdna3 ip in there
rdna2 also has scaps of rdna3 ip lmao
astral haven
isn't that more for game streaming
it has the tech to run the games just slowly
ashen spindle
cmon you know what I mean with that
gusty kiln
astral haven
they could make some core changes that allow them to fit that many cores in a small die
or they will just go for a mondo die and it wont be interesting
(for ms and sony)
also imo the series s is fiiiine, it has the cpu grunt to run the games, just not the gpu power to push the resolution
ashen spindle
nope, already had the talk with two big game devs, or rather listend to them rant about the issue they had because of lower performance and also less memory
astral haven
🤷 if the game cant run on an s at 1080p it cant run on an average home gaming pc either
astral haven
malware things
wheat plume
but how
ashen spindle
for one of them it was mostly that they had to optimize a lot of stuff they wouldn't have needed for the X/pc and that costed them likely some features due to less time
wheat plume
pushing bad values to driver ram or something?
misty saffron
according to the developer it’s all gdi rendering
ashen spindle
also I dont care if 1060 is no longer used as the required spec for games lol
misty saffron
so just fucking around with bitmaps
fair gull
https://youtu.be/ghzipk21MX0
the audio and visuals at some point reminded me of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19jv0HM92kw
misty saffron
yup same
astral haven
also I dont care if 1060 is no longer used as the required spec for games lol
it should be tho...
at least at min settings
ashen spindle
yes but not as recommnded anymore xD
ashen spindle
oh wait I thought elden ring had 1060 as rec, but thats minium
astral haven
🤷 if it runs well enough they can release it on the s then its gonna be useable on 1060 (with rt off)
ashen spindle
cant even find the discussion anymore to see what exactly the reasons were because twitter dms are horrible to scroll back in smh
astral haven
i understand its annoying
but making stuff that poorly optimized is just bad
its a shame that devs are crunched so much they arent allowed to spend time to actually seriously optimize
astral haven
it always is
theres always ways to optimize further
it just takes time, and devs arent allowed the time any more
ashen spindle
but for a realistic setting it was something where the S having just a bit more ram would've saved a lot of dev time and made for better results
astral haven
also would have been more expensive and physically larger
ashen spindle
yes which is why I was hoping they would've not made it in the first place
astral haven
only reason i dont want it to exist is bc i wanted it to have a bd player so that i could use it as a cheap uhd bluray player
but ms chose that so 🤷
nvidia shield with bluray so that it can upscale uhd blurays to 8k60 or 4k120 when
gusty kiln
oh yeah, waiting for the next tegra
silk trout
back in the days i wanted the shield tablet super bad
ashen spindle
man I almost had it and then twitter dms crapped itself and it reloaded, cba scrolling back to early 2020
astral haven
im aware that devs arent happy
ashen spindle
I think in this case it was something that came down from using unreal and some old stuff that ended up needing big changes for their project
astral haven
but the reason they arent happy isnt caused by the s itself
its caused by the dev crunch culture
ashen spindle
it's not caused by the s but it would've been able to be avoided if the s wasn't a thing
this case, not all of dev crunch lol
astral haven
if you simply chose to not implement an optimization that improves performance due to time, the cause of the problem is whatever is causing you to not have enough time
wheat plume
I kinda miss back on older systems, game devs HAD to optimise so that the game actually ran on the damn thing
no they dont need to and just claim their games needs much higher specs that it should really have
ashen spindle
sure but then we get down to looking if that matters, since if you have enough ram you can just use more and then use that time to make another feature instead so you get mroe from it
not like total ram usage matters on console for the user
I dont miss the old games at all, means people had no other choice so we had way less innovation and new things
astral haven
🤷 high level compilers arent good enough yet that that is the case
wheat plume
Yeah, I just wish game devs optimised instead of being like "Oh, you need a RTX 4090 for our game because its not optimised"
ashen spindle
nobody does that
misty saffron
i’m not sure what you’re talking about
most new games i’ve played run really well on my 2080
astral haven
yea there arent any games that dont run well on like a 3060 yea
just dont max out settings
wheat plume
Yeah, that sentence is just saying they claim you need to have higher specs than you really need because they donty want to make the game run better
misty saffron
i’ve maxed out settings in the spider man remastered thing (with dlss anyways) and had 120+ fps on average
ashen spindle
I'm literally here complaining I want higher min specs than a 1060 and you say games are made so it only runs on the best gpu possible
even cyberpunk doesnt have that issue it just had actual bugs
astral haven
Yeah, that sentence is just saying they claim you need to have higher specs than...
yea i dont agree with this at all
misty saffron
well cyberpunk used to run like shit on day 1 actually
wheat plume
Yeh, im getting more bugs since the latest version than I had on previous versions .-.
astral haven
even cyberpunk doesnt have that issue it just had actual bugs
it also ran poorly
it very much ran poorly
ashen spindle
I'm writing that down to bugs just not game breaking bugs
astral haven
if the devs themselves had double the programming time for the same number of features, do you really think they would have as many bugs?
ashen spindle
guess that does become a bit of a nebulous term at that rate
astral haven
there are alot of things that you can do with a ton of hours of optimization
even very basic code can be massively sped up with a few hundred hours of optimization in raw x86
ashen spindle
my argument with cp77 was that it also just has a 1060 as a recommnded card, so if it doesnt run on that I call that a bug/released before its done
misty saffron
just looked at the cp2077 dlc trailer and got reminded of how dead inside the v voice actors sound
astral haven
its not the dev's fault that they dont have the time to runroll the entire game and manually audit all the x86
Thats not at all what im saying
im just saying that they should be incentivized to do some optimization...
misty saffron
seriously though why do they constantly sound like they don’t give a shit
ashen spindle
I think we are talking points that aren't even opposing each other because I agree lol
wheat plume
just looked at the cp2077 dlc trailer and got reminded of how dead inside the v ...
Female V at least for English always sounds fed up with other peoples BS xd
which is suitable for most interactions in the game TBH
wheat plume
Yeah, in some for sure
astral haven
it probably depends what background you have if it is reasonable
wheat plume
I made a mistake....started a new game with a new character and now both characters are level 50, so in the list of saved games they are almost impossible to know what character belong to what save .-.
misty saffron
is the game good now at least?
astral haven
the game was always good
misty saffron
i played it when tposing models in vehicles happened all the time
wheat plume
like I said, I have more bugs in the newest version compared to the previous builds
.-.
astral haven
it just was not polished
ashen spindle
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OynG7ydSQA oh hey patrick finished video/article with details about the silicon photonics news from the intel day
astral haven
neato
wheat plume
it just was not polished
yeh pretty much
astral haven
ive still had silicon photonics hardware at home for over a year tho
astral haven
not polished to the extent of breaking immersion constantly
i got through all of the missions without bugs
misty saffron
very lucky
astral haven
all bugs i had were when I was exploring
and i did spend alot of time trying to climb stuff i probably wasnt supposed to
ashen spindle
~~ive still had silicon photonics hardware at home for over a year tho~~
plugable into the chip directly? 😛