🔌│tech

[ashen spindle]

makes me think of zen chiplets just everywhere, get 2 chiplets for your cpu and 16 chiplets for your gpu

or I guess would neeed a lot more that just 128 cores for gpu, maybe like 64 chiplets of the tiny c cores lol

https://twitter.com/aschilling/status/1577693207332360193

Andreas Schilling 🇺🇦 (@aschilling)

The Gigabyte Aorus GeForce RTX 4090 Master is pure madness. The card is 358.5 in length, 162.8 mm wide and 75.1 mm in height. The GeForce RTX 4090 FE looks like a Mini-ITX design.

Twitter · Oct 5, 2022, 4:12 PM

[reef patrol]

Thicker than a console.

[astral haven]

i will buy a 7990xt in a nanosecond if they do multiple compute dies

[ashen spindle]

waiting for the 6090 to be longer than my ultrawide screen

dont think they will this gen

[astral haven]

they wont

but i would buy it

[ashen spindle]

since that means next gen is almost guaranteed to be more than one GCD for amd, wonder if nvidia will have a jump to that aswell or have a single GCD design as well at first

[astral haven]

tbh i doubt we can call amds design chiplet

the design inherently has no scalable compute

mcm ✅

chiplet ❌

[ashen spindle]

go intel route and call it tile based approach since they cant call it chiplets after they trashed on the words some years back lol

[astral haven]

they didnt

again they were talking about how zeppelin was a glue

which it was

each chip had all the functions

intels tile approach is not chiplet

considering it uses a substrate

chiplet > substrate imo

[stark bobcat]

anyone know how I can make stable diffusion not make every image blue

why is that thing obsessed with blue

[astral haven]

and by substrate i mean active substrate

[ashen spindle]

I mean yeah the glue part wasnt false and I think the biggest joke was intel calling it "repurposed desktop product" when it was very clearly the opposite

[astral haven]

nah

amd was bragging about that part...

they only needed to add 20% area to their desktop part to make it useable as part of their server stack

and amd was absolutely right about every part of that

the only problem is the part wasnt that fast

[ashen spindle]

yeah it's been a while, was sure they said they made it scale down instead of up but dont remember any specific quotes either way

[astral haven]

it specifically doesnt scale down tho

[ashen spindle]

but while we are on the memes part

[crimson wigeon]

Keeping the dream alive

[astral haven]

The cool thing is they could use that 1 base unit to make all the products
Msdt 1 chip, hedt 2 chip
Server 2 or 4 chip

[ashen spindle]

well with scale down I mean they have mcm in servers and can scale that down to work with 1 chip on client

[astral haven]

Considering they had more client volume than server that gen it is in fact scale up

And considering each chip always contained every part needed to function as the base unit

[ashen spindle]

from a volume point absolutely, but was that the design point?

[halcyon moss]

hmm, pop os does not use grub

[ashen spindle]

or was it they made both and neither was a first focus and they just made both the focus from the start, which seems more likely to me

[astral haven]

Well considering chiplet is the scale down design and glue is the scale up design it's also that way from the design standpoint

Obviously tho this is a purely academic or linguistic discussion tho

It is able to be small or big and do well either way

Chiplet is just better at that

[ashen spindle]

oh yeah absolutely, that's why I also have the same opinion as dr cuttress on intels approach for meteor lake and co

they just have tiles that dont scale

[pale sigil]

https://i.redd.it/4d5cbzfbuwr91.gif

[halcyon moss]

well.. that'd be amazing if it was real

[reef patrol]

I mean if you're willing to put on VR goggles it isn't far off right now

[pale sigil]

quest pro video

[stark bobcat]

hand and eye tracking would be so nice

[ashen spindle]

if it was real youd have 500 more ads in your view

[stark bobcat]

if only I didn't have a small ass apartment then I could actually use vr properly

I can barely get enough space to do room scale and that is by moving tons of stuff

[halcyon moss]

just dont have a bed and use that space

[stark bobcat]

I already don't have a bed

[halcyon moss]

hmm

this 16:10 screen is nice. 2560x1600

[cursive summit]

16:10 is cool af

I wish it had a resurgence

Especially for gaming displays

[halcyon moss]

it does actually on laptops

[cursive summit]

On laptops, yes

I have one myself which is why I like that aspect ratio so much

It feels great

But on desktop it's mainly just older office displays

[halcyon moss]

my desktop second screen is a 1920x1200 screen

[cursive summit]

Based on a company that do selling of stuff directly from major warehouses - suppliers

That's how many 16:10s there are on the market rn that are available in EU according to them

[halcyon moss]

meh

then again there is this lg dual up screen 😉

what about 4:3 screens?

[cursive summit]

A lot less

[reef patrol]

fewer

[cursive summit]

Mansen

I will strange you with a ring made out of bread crust

The soft part I will eat in front of you

[gusty kiln]

https://us.amazon.com/LG-28MQ780-B-DualUp-Monitor-DCI-P3/dp/B09XTD5C7H/ref=pd_lpo_1?pd_rd_i=B09XTD5C7H&psc=1

[cursive summit]

The amount of weird aspect ratios is staggering

1:1? 16:18? 24:10? 5:3? 5:4?

[gusty kiln]

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1138908-REG/eizo_ev2730qfx_bk_thin_bezel_26_5_tft.html

1:1 would be great for CAD work

[cursive summit]

Ah that apparently falls under 16:18

Why is this a thing, though

Just combined two 16:9 displays into a single continuous panel

Why not just get 16:9s on a arm mount?

[halcyon moss]

because it is one single display

no border

[cursive summit]

I already said that

[gusty kiln]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZQl3HTNXpo

remember these?

[cursive summit]

But it's just uncomfortable

[halcyon moss]

how

[cursive summit]

What if you want to do side by side instead

Or higher refresh rate

Adaptive sync

Those "office" panels don't have those features

They sure are colour accurate, but not much else

[halcyon moss]

big screen

thats the big prio for office work :p

[stark bobcat]

https://i.redd.it/mjtxoshlqzr91.jpg

Tbh

Jay should have

This one

[wheat plume]

Nah that one is for Bitwit

at least Jay is capable of building a PC successfully on the first go

[ashen spindle]

I take breaking something that can happen to anyone over insisting being smarter than you are and spreading false info

[wheat plume]

Fair...

[junior ore]

I would take the same. Though who's insisting on being smarter than they are spreding false info?

[wheat plume]

Intel drivers are still shit for the Arc GPUs ;-;

https://youtu.be/nEvdrbxTtVo

[ashen spindle]

jay

and yes we already talked about intel drivers twice now

[wheat plume]

Shame, cause id be tempted to get one otherwise

although maybe not, id need a new CPU also

[ashen spindle]

no

weve been over this you would not need one

[wheat plume]

Gamer's Nexus: Do NOT buy the Arc GPU
Linus Tech Tips: Please buy Intel GPUs

🤔

[pale sigil]

Linus preaches for people to do it to kick of the market.

They aren't terrible tbf

[wheat plume]

Will AMD also be madly raising GPU prices like Nvidia did for 40 series?

[pale sigil]

We don't know.

[wheat plume]

They favor DirectX 12 and Vulkan

Interesting

[pale sigil]

makes sense

if i had to choose between them i think id go intel, but im here with a 3080

so am good

[wheat plume]

If Intel figures out the massive issues with the drivers, then maybe id get one

idk how they are like on Linux yet

[pale sigil]

Useless pre Kernal 6

[wheat plume]

Makes sense

wait, is it like their iGPUs where the drivers are built into the kernel like AMD?

Or do you need to install them?

[shadow minnow]

Makes sense tbf
Would be sad if Intel killed of their GPUs
More competition is better

[pale sigil]

Also i bought a Steam Deck which also started off poo

Still has many issues

but a lot better, its just how it is with gen 1 tec h

[wheat plume]

I love my Steam Deck <3 <3

[pale sigil]

i love mine too

[wheat plume]

I do have a teeny tiny scratch on the screen ;-;

[shadow minnow]

I love my AirPods Pro gen 2

[pale sigil]

Should have got a protector, i didn't use mine much till screen protector.

Was to scared

That feeling when you buy earbuds the same price as a steam deck.

[shadow minnow]

Steam deck for 250£?

[pale sigil]

Well ok not exact price but a majority of it

[wheat plume]

I know that if I messed up installing it, misaligned slightly or trapped air bubbles id just take it off and not use it ever again

same happened with my phones

[pale sigil]

I somehow did mine perfect first try

Anyone wanna buy my Steam Deck?

Has no scratches.

[shadow minnow]

And surprisingly AirPods don’t have much less transistors either

[shadow minnow]

Why?

[wheat plume]

LOL

[pale sigil]

Being honest tbf

[astral haven]

peterson was known for that lel

thats why hes not at nvidia any more lel

[crimson wigeon]

Yes whatever you do don't get AMD GPU amirite

[ashen spindle]

even others would say it just in a different way since a product less is better for them than a product that has massive issues for many cases

[shadow minnow]

AirPods Pro actually may have similar amount of transistors as steamdeck

[ashen spindle]

no?

[shadow minnow]

Steam deck has 2.4 bilion

[ashen spindle]

H2 has 1

[shadow minnow]

Question is if there isn’t one H2 in each airpod

Well there is

So if apple meant 1 for each

That’s 2 bilion

• the transistors in case

With the U1 chip

And also 1 bilion is probably not the exact number

[ashen spindle]

ok and if I take an entire wafer I have many multiples of some billion

wtf is that comparison

[shadow minnow]

What?

[ashen spindle]

comparing one chip vs 3 doesnt make much sense

[shadow minnow]

The point was pricing

And the 3 are basically 3 in 1

[ashen spindle]

you dont pay for transistors you pay for die size

if you put 5 or 5 billion on them doesnt really matter

[shadow minnow]

Well the node will also be more expensive

Anyways it’s just weird that AirPods combined have that many transistors to me

Especially putting it into comparison next to steamdeck

[ashen spindle]

do the h2 run at 5ghz?

doubt it

do they run x86? doubt it

[shadow minnow]

Doesn’t change the fact I find it surprising

[ashen spindle]

if you dont have high performance libraries you can cram a lot more into the same space

I mean I'm just saying why it's nothing special

[shadow minnow]

I am not saying it’s special

Just didn’t expect it

Or well I expected steam deck has more like 10 bilion so the 2 bilion AirPods have would seem as less in comparison

[ashen spindle]

I mean sure, it's just a thing that doesnt make sense to be compared as just an amount so it might be surprising because that leaves out a ton of factors

[shadow minnow]

True I suppose

But it’s still weird M2 has 20 bilion transistors while steam deck 2.4 to me. But I suppose you can’t directly compare them at all

[astral haven]

why not?

m2 has a ton of accelerators built in that are actually pretty solid

thats why it can do so well in so much stuff

it also has a huuuuuuuuuge gpu in comparison to the deck

thats also leaving off the wireless controller (s) and display control ics the deck has

rf uses alot of transistors

[ashen spindle]

also the node helps a lot, after all amd managed to put like 50% more into zen4 than into one zen3 chip

[astral haven]

also of note, the h1 has integrated memory

presumeably h2 too

8gb of dram is 8 billion transistors too

and thats just for the storage itself not including the addressing

yea the h2 has all of its storage and memory onboard

[vagrant pagoda]

Which is all because of Apple/M2 kol

[astral haven]

what

[vagrant pagoda]

The only reason 5nm exists is apple.

They buy more tsmc 5nm than anyone

[astral haven]

no, the only reason 5nm exists is because of asml

[ashen spindle]

uhh sure I guess but if not apple someone else would've funded it, they say like 50% of a chip is DTCO at 5nm and that part is going up so basically a custom node variant already

[vagrant pagoda]

Who funds that

[astral haven]

german government

[ashen spindle]

they are dutch

[astral haven]

lel

right

[ashen spindle]

we have zeiss, so part of it but not all of it

[astral haven]

dutch

zeiss doesnt make the liquid metal lasers

[vagrant pagoda]

Lol

[ashen spindle]

USA also pumps money in it, so does intel

[astral haven]

except its not lasers since its euv
masers?

yea
us and ibm especially

[vagrant pagoda]

TSMC is 34% if ASML's revenue

[astral haven]

ibm is shockingly large for a company who has fallen so far from their peak

[gusty kiln]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N371iMe_nfA

[astral haven]

revenue isnt investment

[vagrant pagoda]

It's a public for-profit company.

[ashen spindle]

also only because intel ordered after tsmc and asml cant keep up lel

[astral haven]

yes and they get money from investors to spend on developing the tech

[ashen spindle]

well, the big purchases came later, obv they already have some euv machines for intel too

[astral haven]

the revenue goes into paying back the investors or lenders for purchasing the raw materials

[ashen spindle]

ahaha I love how GN just takes the 4090 unbox embargo and just shows it in a 770 video and no further comment because unbox embargo are dumb

[vagrant pagoda]

TSMC spent 5.7 billion at ASML in 2021. Outside investments and stock selloffs accounted for 1.1 billion.

[ashen spindle]

how much did intel spend and how many orders of intel are still backed up at asml

[gusty kiln]

lol yeah, as soon as I saw that the videos were unboxing only, I just X out

[astral haven]

revenue is after the thing exists

investment is before the thing exists

[vagrant pagoda]

Find me the earnings report that shows it theb

[astral haven]

how much did tsmc give asml that wasnt in return for hardware

[vagrant pagoda]

If you know it to be true

[astral haven]

investments arent earnings

[vagrant pagoda]

You do know that a publicly traded company has to show outside investments on their earnings reports

[astral haven]

sort of

its complicated

the important part is that tsmc gives asml money after the tech exists

[vagrant pagoda]

It's only complicated because you are talking out of your ass with nothing to back it up

[astral haven]

speak for yourself

[vagrant pagoda]

Intel is the largest investor in ASML and did it solely for EUV

And only invested for 4 billion.

[astral haven]

https://patents.google.com/patent/US20080107994A1/en
Intel also was actually developing their tech on their own before they started working with asml

[vagrant pagoda]

TSMC is only in for 1 billion

[ashen spindle]

omg the arc backplate doesnt even have a thermal pad as connection, so it makes the heat worse to look fancy lmao

[vagrant pagoda]

And again, no one is in as deep as TSMC lol

[astral haven]

Also be aware that invested in asml is not the same as "is responsible for a node made on asml machines"

[vagrant pagoda]

And no one spends more on bleeding edge silicon than apple

[astral haven]

Except apple is 10 years behind the bleeding edge lel

Leading isn't bleeding

[vagrant pagoda]

They literally have the best production silicon available, every year

Year after year

[astral haven]

Except ofc for ibm

[ashen spindle]

they have the best high volume silicon, aka leading edge, not bleeding edge for some science wafers at ibm or so

[astral haven]

They have the largest scale leading edge silicon ofc

But leading isn't bleeding

[ashen spindle]

anyway wtf intel

TAP why did you bring 20 series glue with you to intel gpus lol

[gusty kiln]

[astral haven]

Apple is insanely safe
As safe as they can possibly be
They do not do anything that hasn't been done before
They just do it well
And give up if it starts going poorly
No sunk cost bs for apple

[vagrant pagoda]

And what dose IBM have production at even 5nm?

[astral haven]

Quantum computers are so far beyond 5nm that it's not funny

And yes they are in mass production of quantum computers today

[vagrant pagoda]

Lol

[ashen spindle]

oof, february 22 is when the baseplate for the card was made that GN tore down, that seems a bit long ago for a launch now

[gusty kiln]

first time seeing thermal pads that looks fabric

[vagrant pagoda]

You know that Eagle is built in 7nm fab right?

[astral haven]

Sure

[vagrant pagoda]

Osprey and Condor are set to be 2nm

But no announcements yet

So IBM dosent have the best production silicon

Because all the fancy quantum happens with superconductors on 7nm silicon

[astral haven]

There are no chips that have even remotely any match to Condor or z16

Like it's not even funny how far they are ahead of the competition

[vagrant pagoda]

That has nothing to do with silicon chips

They only use the fab as a base

To built the multiplayer chips

[astral haven]

Z16 is purely normal compute silicon

Yet it has a worldwide monopoly on financial transactions

[gusty kiln]

the insanely over engineered LED strips

[ashen spindle]

custom pcb strip for the glowy rings lmfao

guess we found why the limited editions costs 20$ more

[astral haven]

And it manages to do that on a very stable node

[vagrant pagoda]

Z16 is still 7nm

[astral haven]

Like there's not a single market where 1 silicon vendor has over 90% share

Except for ibm mainframes

Technically by installed mainframes they are under 90%
But by transactions performed they are way over

[thick elk]

Intel loves adding needlessly wastefull pcb's for their rgb strips

[reef patrol]

I mean who doesn't.

[thick elk]

circular ones around the fans are especially bad in that regard.

Most of the time the rgb strips are made quite efficiently, not just a solid pcb in a cricle or u shape

[vagrant pagoda]

Yeah z16 is Samsung 7nm

Hardly bleeding edge

[thick elk]

then again if they design it in such a way that all the parts come from the same board it may not be that bad.

[vagrant pagoda]

Samsung already has "4" NM in production

Though it's not really much denser than 5nm

[frozen ingot]

modularising manufacturing is good for servicing and repairability

just a shame you'll never find parts for these types of products

[vagrant pagoda]

Pretty sure Samsung's 4nm is less dense than TSMC 5nm

[gusty kiln]

Sapphire has the best fan replacement mechanism

[vagrant pagoda]

In wish we could by GPUs with just 120/98mm fans

[gusty kiln]

or with just a heatsink that can mount 120mm fans

[ashen spindle]

we can, if its an AIO card with a 120 rad

[astral haven]

Yet it's actually running circles around it's competition

[vagrant pagoda]

What competition

[astral haven]

Z15 lmao

[vagrant pagoda]

Thats it's predecessor

No competition there

[gusty kiln]

I want a gpu with this installed stock

https://www.amazon.com/RAIJINTEK-Morpheus-Heat-Pipe-Heat-Sink-Options/dp/B00R6YQYQ2/ref=sr_1_5?crid=3ABL48T27WGRF&keywords=gpu+heatsink&qid=1665002318&qu=eyJxc2MiOiI1LjgxIiwicXNhIjoiNS4xNyIsInFzcCI6IjQuODMifQ%3D%3D&sprefix=gpu+heatsink%2Caps%2C70&sr=8-5&ufe=app_do%3Aamzn1.fos.006c50ae-5d4c-4777-9bc0-4513d670b6bc

add your own fans

[vagrant pagoda]

That's what I have

[astral haven]

And it's only actual competition thanks to how dominant ibm is in that market

[vagrant pagoda]

Fanless in my torrent

[gusty kiln]

oh nice

[vagrant pagoda]

I have just 4 180s

At 800-900 rpm

[gusty kiln]

torrent have great fan support

[vagrant pagoda]

With a p1 on my 5800x3d

Hopping I can keep the setup for Zen 4

[gusty kiln]

lol interesting approach, passive on core component, but case full of fans

[vagrant pagoda]

Big fan with no restrictions move air quietly

It's honestly silent

Even with my HVAC off I can't hear it

[gusty kiln]

does the torrent have a solid panel option?

[vagrant pagoda]

Yeah that's what I have

[gusty kiln]

hmmm tempted to migrate

[vagrant pagoda]

Black on black

[gusty kiln]

yeah I'm not a fan of tempered glass

[vagrant pagoda]

I have a Silverstone 1000w platinum

Which is fanless most of the time

And no mech drives

I'm super tempted to go 2x180+2x140 rad, but air is working great

[gusty kiln]

what are your temps with the X3D

[vagrant pagoda]

like 80s with ciniebench

[gusty kiln]

does it throttle?

[vagrant pagoda]

-20 core

but no

[gusty kiln]

ahhh

[vagrant pagoda]

155-160 watts

[gusty kiln]

prob no need for water unless you want that last 5-10%

also pump noise

[vagrant pagoda]

i mean more for zen 4

[gusty kiln]

oh

[vagrant pagoda]

im hopeing for a 7900x3d

but doubt it

even a 7800x3d will need a good cooler

[gusty kiln]

hmmm, I'm wondering if the IHS will be thinner because of the v-cache

at least thinner in a pocket

[vagrant pagoda]

same heigt

[gusty kiln]

oh it is?

rip

[ashen spindle]

zen3 it was same height they just made the parts thinner where the cache went so it stayed same height

likely going to be the same here

you dont want an air gap over your IO die lol

[gusty kiln]

yeah

that's what I meant

[vagrant pagoda]

the ccx are already thicker than they need to be to match up with the iodie

so the 3d stacked cache isnt a issue

[ashen spindle]

wonder how temps will be with liquid metal and if that is worth it with the ihs still

we know it did a bit with direct die but I dont think we had delid tests with just LM yet

[vagrant pagoda]

with ryzen 1/2 io die was much taller

[gusty kiln]

WTF, I thought it was suppose to be close to a 3070

[ashen spindle]

no? even intel puts it against a 3060

[gusty kiln]

I guess that's why is only 330

6600 regularly under 300

[vagrant pagoda]

yeah its horrible vs amd

[astral haven]

Ryzen 1/2 didn't have an iodie

[vagrant pagoda]

then was it 3000 that had the difference hieghts?

one did

and it was a pain for direct die

[astral haven]

3000 and 5000 have the same iodie

Dunno height differences

But the silicon for the iodie is the same between the two

[ashen spindle]

hmm wonder if derbauer is going to make a custom frame like for ADL but not for pressure but to use a smaller IHS so the cooling can be better lol, could be usefull when x3d comes

since I doubt they already improved the cooling of 3d stacking for this generation by anything significant

[misty saffron]

https://www.macrumors.com/2022/10/04/apple-releases-new-magsafe-charger-firmware/

finally they have fixed the fucking charger bugs!

[ashen spindle]

if there wont be something better for cooling let me know when you will direct die your v cache so I'll know if its worth it

[vagrant pagoda]

lol

[vagrant pagoda]

i thought it was a power limit not thermal

[ashen spindle]

well it's speculation on my part I just assume the vcache would run into thermal limit, assuming they improved it so the clocks aren't going down this generation on it

[vagrant pagoda]

it only like 4320 vs 4600mhz stock.

5800x3d vs 5800x

but 110 vs 130 w stock

[ashen spindle]

yeah so my assumption is they might have improved it so the clocks are closer/the same at the cost of higher temps

at least it appears likely to me

[vagrant pagoda]

and you cant increase voltage at all

1.35 is all she takes

[ashen spindle]

well they said that it was limitations due to it being the first implementation, we just dont know how much they improved in the relatively short time till zen4v

[vagrant pagoda]

yeah

it could be an internal thermal issue

or just plain voltage limit

• can get a bit more out of it

[astral haven]

99.999% of the time those two are the same

[vagrant pagoda]

my mobo will do 103 bclk

[ashen spindle]

at least based on these results I assume x3d will do well in my main game so I'm planning to potentially get it even though my 5600x isn't having any big issues

[astral haven]

7950x3d hype

[ashen spindle]

now that I'll likely have money to spare because I managed to avoid having to pay VAT on our solar installation I'm getting very tempted at least

[astral haven]

i really wish someone would benchmark vr performance in games

[gusty kiln]

oh man, looks good. Shame I prefer a lower profile back hump. More of a mid hump person

[astral haven]

thats literally a gpw with a further back hump

[vivid vine]

Yea people enjoy that shape

[gusty kiln]

also 20 grams lighter

like damn

solid shell too

[astral haven]

its as much lighter than my main mouse as the entirety of the weight of my secondary mouse lel

[vivid vine]

Lol you rag the shape but use a M2k?

Wtffff

[astral haven]

no im ragging on the cloning

[gusty kiln]

DAV3 is probably my upgrade

[astral haven]

and yes i palm a m2k

[vivid vine]

Everything is a Zowie clone so who cares

[astral haven]

eh

g305/pro wired

and id say everything is more an intellimouse clone than a zowie clone lel

[gusty kiln]

https://www.reddit.com/r/MouseReview/comments/xvhsas/lgg_la1_shape_overview/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

@vivid vine

[vivid vine]

I just can't get over you knocking the shape but you use a m2k

[astral haven]

thats not what i said lel

[vivid vine]

I just want the G Pro shape with good side buttons why I am interested in the Lamzu

[astral haven]

just because im making snide comments about how its a clone of the best shape doesnt make the shape pad

in fact quite the opposite

[vivid vine]

@gusty kiln mmmmm just waiting for him to talk about the side buttons

I need G pro shape with god tier side buttons and that will be my endgame

[astral haven]

whats wrong with the superlight side buttons?

[vivid vine]

They are trash

Could be just my copy that broke, but seems like a common complaint by others also

[astral haven]

i looked in my garbage bin for the superlight side buttons, and they arent there
they are on my mouse

is logitech not replacing them?

[vivid vine]

Yea they are replacing mine, just waiting for White to come in stock

They said 2-3 weeks

[astral haven]

could just be hitting the .1% afr

[vivid vine]

They offered me the other colors but I just want my white one back

[gusty kiln]

if only they can jam the side buttons from the G603/G703/G403 into the super light

[astral haven]

they sell enough of those that there should be thousands failing for random failure reasons

[gusty kiln]

a lot of people just don't like how they feel

[astral haven]

🤷 doesnt make the buttons trash

[gusty kiln]

it works fine, but just not subjectively to their liking

[vivid vine]

@gusty kiln THISSS!!! The 703 side buttons are god tier, but I hate ergo mice

[astral haven]

i still think the next step is passive mice with active sensor mousepads

[gusty kiln]

is Pulsar still using dot switches for the side buttons on the X2/X2 mini?

[vivid vine]

If they add some type of texture or grip to that LA-1 may have to check it out

That or the Lamzu

[frozen ingot]

gpw side buttons aren't the nicest feeling, kinda mushy and undefined feedback but haven't had problems with their actual function

[astral haven]

and i find most mice side buttons to be over expressive
my favorite side buttons were on a microsoft mouse, but i forget what model

[gusty kiln]

https://preview.redd.it/i3c1fytjfer91.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=6da7e5e01ffb0c903b5a3e3d901a5ccfe195ba6b

[astral haven]

i liked the gpw side button swapping situation but the gpws makes more sense

[ashen spindle]

time to glue a m2k on the side of an m2k for sidebuttions

[astral haven]

side buttons is tbh the reason I dont daily the m2k

i need to be able to alt tab and ctrl tab on my mouse

[gusty kiln]

we need more gaming foot pedal that's not for racing sims

[vivid vine]

I mean Elgato kinda has one

[gusty kiln]

hmmm

[astral haven]

thats a price wow

[frozen ingot]

isn't that just on/off tho

[vivid vine]

Little pricey tho and its not really for gaming, more just a 3 button stream deck

[astral haven]

i would be shocked if there werent accessibility tools that would work for this too

[frozen ingot]

they should just add midi cc support to games and render a ton of overpriced gaming accessories obsolete

[vivid vine]

@astral haven anything in particular? Somebody might have already made a plugin

[astral haven]

voicemeter apparently includes midi to macro adapters

[astral haven]

no like i mean hardware

xbox adaptive controller + trigger footpedals would definetly work ofc

[vivid vine]

Have a feeling those pedals feel like shit tho probably terrible pre and post travel

Watch a couple streamers who use it, but they only have Discord mute set to it

[frozen ingot]

shame you can't just slap usb on a $25 expression pedal and call it a day

[astral haven]

xbox adaptive controller

[frozen ingot]

yeah that thing is really neat, still a $100 though before you've even gotten to what pedal you want to connect

[vagrant pagoda]

i mean you can use ardiuno and xinput

[astral haven]

yup but its not pnp

[frozen ingot]

I mean you could, but then you have monkes like me who can't write a single line of code to save their life

and don't give me that "just copy someone elses and put on there" I can't even figure that part out

[vagrant pagoda]

you can buy premade and programed ones

with screw terminals

[astral haven]

linkeroo

[frozen ingot]

I suppose, still a bit involved for the plebian that just wants the most braindead consumer friendly way of hooking up a pedal

[astral haven]

if its premade and programmed it is pnp

[vagrant pagoda]

https://amzn.com/DP/B0713PGNHD

there are a ton of them

thats just first result

[astral haven]

That's not 3.5mm jacks tho

[vagrant pagoda]

i said screw terminals

[astral haven]

🤷 still wont work with a pedal without doing a bit of snipping

[vagrant pagoda]

what foot switch is 3.5mm?

[frozen ingot]

most of them are 6.3mm

to my experience

[vagrant pagoda]

you can also get $10 hid usb foot switches

https://amzn.com/dp/B01LXTEQ1C/

or

no snip

[astral haven]

alr

still not anywhere near as elegant as the adaptive

[vagrant pagoda]

yeah

[astral haven]

heck you can use the two buttons on the adaptive as is

[vagrant pagoda]

but cheaper

[astral haven]

barely

[vagrant pagoda]

you can get usb hid foot switches for 10bucks from china though

[astral haven]

Sketchi

Also are they programmable

[vagrant pagoda]

yes

i just use my flight pedals

got usaed to that in arma for analog lean

and i can set them to press keys at points in the axis

[astral haven]

🤷 sim gear works tbh

reminder that I want a part number for this still btw

[vagrant pagoda]

i checked it

its actually only 3.0

thought it was 4.0

[astral haven]

😭

[vagrant pagoda]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Supermicro-RSC-G2F-A66-X1-2U-Front-LHS-Active-GPU-riser-card-with-two-PCI-E-x16-/324261090028

[astral haven]

thats still p good for the price tho

[vagrant pagoda]

yeah

thats new

[astral haven]

useless for me tho

[vagrant pagoda]

i paid like sub 100 used

[astral haven]

that led me to the "riser card matrix"
and they have 1 active gen 4 riser
and its rather strange looking

https://www.supermicro.com/en/support/resources/riser

RSC-S-68G5

I think it's using oculink for the connection to the motherboard

[vagrant pagoda]

https://www.aicipc.com/en/productdetail/51309

only 8 grand with 2 link cards

[astral haven]

yea ikr

[vagrant pagoda]

gives you 8 total x16 slots

[astral haven]

🤷 thats a big pain tho

emphasis on big

[vagrant pagoda]

lol

just big money lol

[astral haven]

also for 8 grand i want gen 5

[vagrant pagoda]

i mean just get tr pro

and forget external

[astral haven]

compromises gaming perf

:/

[vagrant pagoda]

dont game on your workmachine

[astral haven]

i dont

[vagrant pagoda]

you dont need 100g to game

[astral haven]

i want to have my games stored on my nas

[reef patrol]

Do it - Cause then you can save VAT on business expenses that happen to be gaming related 😄

[vagrant pagoda]

wont comprmise gaming

[astral haven]

also my workstation is fully provided by work and is basically a super expensive thin client since it remotes into my main machine at work

[vagrant pagoda]

wont store games locally

[astral haven]

my nas is faster than your main ssd

unless you also happen to have a p5800x

[vagrant pagoda]

in iops over networking with windows doubt it

[astral haven]

guess

[vagrant pagoda]

nothing over the network is faster than the same device local

[astral haven]

actually thats not true

these ssds specifically require a core and take 2gb of ram per tb of storage
it really bogs down my main system to use them

[vivid vine]

WTF are you using sheshhh

[astral haven]

i let my server do all the raid nonsense with them, and roce takes care of the rest for minimum overhead

oh and these ssds also have onboard dumb plx switches

its really fkn annoying bc they are gen 3 switches, but the ssds themselves run at gen 2 speeds, and it refuses to boot on an x4 slot

its only 2.0x8 of bw

but i need an x8 slot to use it

[vagrant pagoda]

id love to see you actual prove its faster

[astral haven]

guess iops

*cache disabled

[vagrant pagoda]

get anywhere near a million iops over network and id be impressed

and actual proof

[astral haven]

cache disabled

[vagrant pagoda]

not saying it works

[astral haven]

im not at a million on x8 3.0

in fact thats not physically possible

wait no it just barely is

[vagrant pagoda]

you can do a million iops on 10g

[astral haven]

not at 4k

1m 4k iops = 4GB/s of purely data

40 gig can do a million iops

but I cant with just 1 server

I actually dont have results at 100g oh noes

heres what I was doing on 40g tho

both of those are uncached numbers

to get anywhere near that you need either cache or optane

also yes that 3 way optane raid is slower than single drive on everything but seq read and write

[vagrant pagoda]

i mean thatrs slower than a single p41

[astral haven]

cached

this is uncached

[vagrant pagoda]

its all non-volitile

[astral haven]

except for the dram on the ssd

there is nothing volatile in this chain

[vagrant pagoda]

so your nas has no ram installed?

neither no either ofd the nics?

[astral haven]

its using rdma fam

[vagrant pagoda]

lol

[astral haven]

its fully atomic

[vagrant pagoda]

what dose the m in rdma stand for

[astral haven]

memory

[vagrant pagoda]

and what memory dose it refer too?

[vagrant pagoda]

it using ram for cahce one way or another

[astral haven]

nope

this is in fact my field of expertise
its fully atomic

rdma allows you to send data directly to devices on a remote system with the cpu just acting as a controller

if you disable the caching on the drive itself and on the client side, it doesnt cache at all

[vagrant pagoda]

its literally memory to memory

[astral haven]

https://www.cs.unh.edu/~rdr/rdma-intro-module.ppt

memory in the data science world doesnt mean what you think it means

the m in nvme stands for memory too

[vagrant pagoda]

yes as in flash memory6

[astral haven]

yep

rdma is mainly used for directly accessing nvme devices over the network

[vagrant pagoda]

rdma isnt direct to nvme yet

it still though host memory

try it with a single stick of ram in the server

[astral haven]

they literally sell ethernet nvme ssds now that do that

[vagrant pagoda]

and check the speed again.

[astral haven]

🕶️ 👉 👉

that was when I was using a stick of 8 for my server

[vagrant pagoda]

signle channel?

[astral haven]

yup

sr dimm too

[vagrant pagoda]

ddr4?

[astral haven]

ya

[vagrant pagoda]

thats rather fast for server ddr3 ram

[astral haven]

https://www.servethehome.com/ethernet-ssds-hands-on-with-the-kioxia-em6-nvmeof-ssd/

here it is

roce nvmeof ssd

[vagrant pagoda]

wonder what those 3 chips next to the nextwork controller are

[astral haven]

not for caching ill tell you right now

cause thats all done in the ssd itself

[vagrant pagoda]

yeah and the ethnernet adapter for the ssd totally wouldnt cache at all

[astral haven]

caching slows things down at the high end...

[vagrant pagoda]

so they just slap ram on there for looks?

[astral haven]

?

you mean the dram that this dual port controller uses to convert a single port drive to a dual port drive?

again
roce is quite capable of being fully atomic
ive provided plenty of reading

what part of "no data copying into system buffers" is confusing you?

Here's while I spent days banging my head against a wall figuring out how to get infiniband working

this is with caching on a 2.0x4 drive

so probably pretty easy to beat

Aw man digging up old pics is fun

This was 40g

[vagrant pagoda]

gig thunderbolt card?

[astral haven]

Ya

[vagrant pagoda]

good times lol

i had a ton of issues with my TR setup and that card lol

[astral haven]

Get rekt

Pnp on my z390

Asus board too not giga

[vagrant pagoda]

i had the x399 designare

[astral haven]

Yea thunderbolt works fine on amd
As long as you don't plug in anything while the system is powered on 🤣

Hype for USB 4 boards

[vagrant pagoda]

nah that wasnt even the issues

[astral haven]

Wha?

[vagrant pagoda]

yeah

hot plug is fine if the board supports thunderbolt

the asrock and gig cards are cross compatible too

no idea about am4 stuff

[astral haven]

the boards just mostly dont have the headers

[vagrant pagoda]

dont need the header

idk what the header dose

but they work with just usb

[astral haven]

hotplug support

lel

[vagrant pagoda]

nope that still works

[astral haven]

im gonna need a citation

[vagrant pagoda]

https://egpu.io/forums/builds/thunderbolt-3-on-amd-x399-threadripper-rtx-208032gbps-tb3-razer-core-x-win10-1803-itsage/

[astral haven]

cause pcie hotplug is what those are for

yea on old fw the giga card will unsafely hotplug the pcie interface

some boards work with that

like

[vagrant pagoda]

i had the header and used it

hot plug was never the issue

it just was flakey

speed wise

[astral haven]

in what situations?

[vagrant pagoda]

random

lol

plug in nvme device

transfers at 10mb/s

stop transfer

restart

transfers at 2GB/s

[astral haven]

yea that sounds like thunderbolt

only device ive had work flawlessly is my core x

[vagrant pagoda]

never did egpu

no reason to

[astral haven]

all i ever did was egpu and p2p networking

tb p2p networking is horrific lel

[vagrant pagoda]

i used it for hotswap storage

then i got a usb 3.2 nvme dock

and didnt use tb anymore lol

[astral haven]

lel ikr

[vagrant pagoda]

dose 2GB fine

[astral haven]

i love my sabrent

1 gig but supports both nvme and sata

[vagrant pagoda]

this is just nvme

its a hot dock

just jam in the gumstick

[astral haven]

neato

[vagrant pagoda]

i have one port with a m.2 to u.2 adapter

and it works without power for most drives

the big boi intels need more power though

[astral haven]

shocker

[vagrant pagoda]

lol

i should get a m.2 to x4 adapter and try aic

[astral haven]

just hotplug the raw pcie adapter wcgw

[vagrant pagoda]

dont have a free slot

lol

[astral haven]

😭 I really was wishing for that 4.0 switching riser

[vagrant pagoda]

Just get a 4080

Lol

No way it will slow down on 5.0 x8

[astral haven]

Yea but then my plx card doesn't get x16 still

And I suspect for VR every bit of bandwidth is nescessary

Also the upgrade would cost too much
It's GPU or CPU for this year and I think I'm going to pick getting a new bike unless again multiple gcd 7990xt

[empty wren]

https://youtube.com/shorts/m3986dL46Lw?feature=share

Wild

[vivid vine]

@gusty kiln

[stark bobcat]

bruh the intel gpus look so clean but made with tape

like wtf

just use screws

why

[fair gull]

u dont stick ur m.2 into the pcie slot directly?

weird

[stark bobcat]

@astral haven recommendation for good affordable ups?

[fair gull]

id go either apc or eaton

[fair gull]

thats not a ups

lol

[stark bobcat]

good joke for my 27m^2 apartment in the middle of berlin

[fair gull]

why

u got fensterbank™

[stark bobcat]

who knows we might get power outages in the winter

[stark bobcat]

surely that will keep my pc powered for long enough to be shut down

[ashen spindle]

yeah just run it in 10W mode

[silk trout]

powering your hopes and dreams with that one

[stark bobcat]

https://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/EATON-Corporation-USV-LIN-1200VA-Ellipse-PRO-1200-DIN_1054075.html

this one good?

[fair gull]

eaton and apc in general are good

the pricier products just have some more features usually

like network management and usb power off stuff

if you plan to not have automatic shutdowns the cheaper units are solid

[stark bobcat]

Is this the lowest I should go or is there a slightly cheaper option?

[fair gull]

ngl for the cheaper ones id say browse ther catalog for your VA needs

i usually sell bigger rackmount ones

just make sure backup time is enough

[stark bobcat]

I just want something to be able to safely shut down my pc in case of power outages

[cursive summit]

What is that even?

Looks like power management?

[fair gull]

the one u linked has 9mins on half load

[fair gull]

ups

[cursive summit]

Huh

There are cheaper UPS though

[fair gull]

are they good tho

[cursive summit]

I'd say so?

[fair gull]

cheap easpecially in ups world isnt always good or long lasting

but ya in many small to medium sized companies ud see APC or eaton

be it rackmount or under desk

[cursive summit]

https://www.reddit.com/r/ASRock/comments/xsvhzf

How does XMP remove the ability to put the system to sleep

Apparently it might be limited to only a few vendors or ASRock only

Other X670s work fine

[ashen spindle]

https://noctua.at/en/na-stpg1 man people really are too lazy to use tape or smth I guess

[stark bobcat]

https://www.reichelt.de/usv-900-va-540-w-cp-cp900epfclcd-p292957.html?PROVID=2788&gclid=Cj0KCQjw-fmZBhDtARIsAH6H8qhfoFrRDVBZ89YJcRE0UcnYm9DxGe9GFAsNKEng8HNv7eS5ammlHOMaAnS3EALw_wcB&&r=1

This one looks good right?

[wheat plume]

If Apple swap to only wireless charging instead of using USB C in 2024, then will they try to make it just as fast?

👀

[ashen spindle]

honestly think you should use an adblocker setting that also disables youtube comments

it'd benefit you

[ashen spindle]

yes the stickers are nothing new, it's been a thing for ages on various boards, nobody else besides that person had a sticker peel that way, for many others it was a piece of plastic

and for the most part it was showing installation and that it would take a long time on first boot so people wont think something was broken

https://twitter.com/IanCutress/status/1576966552754102272

𝐷𝑟. 𝐼𝑎𝑛 𝐶𝑢𝑡𝑟𝑒𝑠𝑠 (@IanCutress)

ASRock (and others) have had stickers on DRAM slots and PCIe slots for years. Why is this now only an issue for some people? Why this generation, rather than ANY OTHER? Why are you even ripping it off rather than doing the slowly slowly approach

Likes

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Twitter · Oct 3, 2022, 4:04 PM

[reef patrol]

I have literally never seen an internal sticker like that

And it isn't an excuse not to use super light glue

[ashen spindle]

anyone else who got a board with a sticker had either no issue removing it, had a plastic piece there or got a newer revision that doesnt have any at all any more

so its literally an article about an issue one (1) person out of many had

either way my main point was don't put any weight into youtube comments because 95% are talking out of their ass

[reef patrol]

That's definitely a different matter then. But I don't see how a faulty sticker can ever be anyone but a seller/manufacturers issue 😏

[ashen spindle]

a one off wrongly applied sticker is hardly the same as "asrock sabotaging its own production"

[reef patrol]

💯

[ashen spindle]

4* also it's mostly been lowered with bios updates so it's not taking as long anymore even for first boot

thats why newer boards with newer bios revisions also dont have the stickers anymore

[stark bobcat]

I dont even remember if my asrock board had a sticker but it was ddr4 so prolly not

[gusty kiln]

Interesting

[wheat plume]

im upset
my deck screen already has a tiny scratch
and my switch doesnt yet I never use the switch in a case

;-;

[vagrant pagoda]

No protector?

[wheat plume]

I dont use a protector on any device

Because I know if I mess up applying it, I will not use it

[vagrant pagoda]

Probably something for OE or SI

[vagrant pagoda]

You just peel it off and try again lol

[ashen spindle]

doubt it, they wont use LM as OEM and then excess paste doesnt matter

[vagrant pagoda]

It's just for paste. And OEMs and SIs already use paste templates.

[ashen spindle]

ik but people dont want it there so I think its for that market of people who dont want it there even if it doesnt matter

idk if oems want to ad cost for no benefit really

[vagrant pagoda]

Have you never seen the tools used on an assembly line?

[wheat plume]

I saw some brand made steam deck glass protectors and they came with a template you placed on the Deck and it perfectly lined the glass protector onto the Deck

I forgot what brand it was :/

[vagrant pagoda]

They spend tons of money to just make it less likely to mess up

[vagrant pagoda]

I know sapphire screen protectors come with them, but don't think they do the deck

[ashen spindle]

unless its LM I dont see this mess something up though, and idk if for those places noctua would make it a public product and not just advertise it on the B2B channels

[vagrant pagoda]

This is an tool that has existed for lots of processors. Noctua just decided to make a end user model for this gen.

Also someone sold a oem style hex template a while back.

[indigo delta]

[vagrant pagoda]

Thicc

[ashen spindle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4lHgSMBf80

[shadow minnow]

Wasn’t it TT?

[vagrant pagoda]

Yep

[wheat plume]

Is it safe to use a computer if I lay it sideways?

Like the not glass side being down

[vagrant pagoda]

lol

yes

[crimson wigeon]

Yeah it'll disturb the flow of the electrons

[wheat plume]

LOL

[vagrant pagoda]

hard drives dont like moving while on

[wheat plume]

my PC is fully ssd

[vagrant pagoda]

but modern ones dont care about actual orentation

[wheat plume]

the only thing that hates movement is the DVD drive

[vagrant pagoda]

they worst would be a AIO

being wrong way around

[gusty kiln]

When you start plugging the motherboard into the GPU instead.

[indigo delta]

@wheat plume replying here cuz im hit with slowmode in #archived_wootstations

| Why is your About Me section a spec list?

HAHA it was something that people from the FinalMouse server did and I picked it up from there

[indigo delta]

BOY THAT AINT THICC THATS A BOWL OF OATMEAL

[cursive summit]

A channel has slowmode?

Also, @pale sigil

[indigo delta]

#archived_wootstations does

[cursive summit]

Why is @fleimi gone

Did he leave any note in hideout?

[reef patrol]

He had a bit of a mild meltdown two days ago? and plainly said he needed a break and left. And then came back a couple of hours later and posted more and... not sure since.

[cursive summit]

Eh it happens to everyone

He's a good lad though

[wheat plume]

ah :P

[indigo delta]

[cursive summit]

See even a newcomer agrees that Fleimi is a good lad

[indigo delta]

i was yessing to this actually. never interacted with fleimi

[cursive summit]

What

[indigo delta]

maybe he left before i came

[cursive summit]

Are you insinuating that fleimi is not a good lad?

[indigo delta]

lmao

although, i was greeted with an arse when i first came here

literally my first message which was a question stirred someone up

won't say who

[vagrant pagoda]

I mean not everyone is a fan of gourds

[indigo delta]

those who know, know

[indigo delta]

[vocal cipher]

https://tenor.com/view/redfox9-fire-all-hail-the-gif-24337797

[indigo delta]

ah yes you were there

[pale sigil]

he did not return

[vocal cipher]

I just happen to post this frequently

[reef patrol]

Could have sworn I saw a message later.

Ah well. He's entitled to a break. 🙂

[vocal cipher]

slanted alice southpaw when?

[reef patrol]

inb4 "we put an xbox in a 4090" video

[gusty kiln]

Isn't that a 3090?

So a 4090 would be even bigger

[stark bobcat]

power consumption so high it'll shut down the entire german grid

[ashen spindle]

pretty sure thats a 4090

isnt the connector on the 30 series rotated by 90 degrees?

[gusty kiln]

Yeah i see it now

Still can't get over the font

[final flame]

yea the font change was unessesary, I guess it was done to make the 40 series more distinct from the 30 series, other than size difference

[vagrant pagoda]

I thought the cards were almost the same size

Just bigger fans

[gusty kiln]

Think 4090 is a almost 1 slot thicker

[vagrant pagoda]

That's why on the 4090 the fan is into the trim area

[vagrant pagoda]

Same 2.5

Like almost 3 but not quiet

[gusty kiln]

Well it's definitely thicker

[final flame]

and here I thought my 2080 was a large card when I first got it

[crimson wigeon]

Chonk, what happened to high end 2 slot sized cards feels bad man

[vagrant pagoda]

3090 ti*

[pale sigil]

thought the same about my 1070ti

[vagrant pagoda]

The ti is thicker than the non-ti

[vagrant pagoda]

2xxx and 1xxx cards were the same size. Lots use the same coolers

[pale sigil]

then i got a 3080

[gusty kiln]

Well non ti to non ti, it's thicker

And you know they still have a 4090ti in the back

[astral haven]

Yea all I can say is Eaton
I haven't found anyone actually reviewing ups'

[gusty kiln]

Lol that's where i work at

[vagrant pagoda]

Wouldn't call Eaton affordable

[gusty kiln]

I should get one at some point

[astral haven]

Yes but I also can't afford to replace my PC if it gets zapped to death

[vagrant pagoda]

Apc and cyberpowet have warrenties too.

[ashen spindle]

wonder if the 4090 coolers all come form nvidia having planned for higher tdps earlier on and now the designs are already made and done

[frozen ingot]

funny to think 95% of that thiccness is still just the cooling

[gusty kiln]

https://www.igorslab.de/en/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4090-where-the-mistake-with-the-600-watt-really-comes-from-and-why-the-cards-are-so-giant/

[ashen spindle]

yeah I know I saw that but that makes no sense

[vagrant pagoda]

They aren't that much bigger than 3090ti coolers

[ashen spindle]

there is no way nvidia went from samsung to tsmc as late as february

[astral haven]

Cyber power is known to not honor them
And apc is stepped sine up to the price of the eatons

[gusty kiln]

Well since aib don't even know the price of cards before Jensen announce it, they may not know the final tdp as well and they just design for the worst case scenario?

[ashen spindle]

yes that's what I speculated, just the timeline igor showed doesn't make sense

a 600W 8nm samsung chip would've been above the reticle limit

[astral haven]

Nah

[ashen spindle]

with the same performance yea

[astral haven]

Nah

Just high clock and voltage

[vagrant pagoda]

Stepped sine is fine for modern psus

But any ups is better than no ups

[ashen spindle]

I don't think AD102 would've physically been possible on SS8

[vagrant pagoda]

It isnt the terrible square wave that dwells at 0v, it will be fine on a modern switch mode PC psu

[astral haven]

It still absolutely hammers them and is known to significantly affect output stability

[astral haven]

Easily
Remember it's solidly possible to make the chip, it just may have required an uncoolable amount of power

[ashen spindle]

yeah but that ignores one of the variables, 600W AD102 with same performance as now, that just doesn't fit

[frozen ingot]

apparently you can't access two wooting boards plugged in at once via wootility yet

[astral haven]

Why not?

[gusty kiln]

Run the second one on a vm?

[astral haven]

Samsung 8 isn't that far behind?

[frozen ingot]

I suppose you could just program one of them first, save to board then unplug it

then plug it in again once both are programmed

[final flame]

can access a flaretech and a Lekker board tho

[frozen ingot]

yeah fully separate softwares for those

[stark bobcat]

The cyberpower one claims to be "true sinewave" which is why I linked it

[ashen spindle]

urgh forgot wikichip put articles behind a timed paywall now, can't find the numbers to compare the nodes

[vagrant pagoda]

You can if one is Lekker and on isn't

But you have to use pre Lekker wootility and the Lekker beta.

But it works

[ashen spindle]

ok here we are, AD102 is at 125 Mtr/mm² so almost twice of A100, while GA102 only managed 45, I dont see how that is something they could've gotten on the same node within limits

with N4 also clocking higher as well

[frozen ingot]

yeah, am not too keen on grabbing an old optical one though

and since settings are stored on-board you can still workaround it

[ashen spindle]

the reticle limit is something around 850mm² so with 628 the GA102 die is only 30% or so away from that

so yes, samsung isnt that far behind, but thats compared to N7 not N5, nor 4N which is their custom variant for it

[vagrant pagoda]

N5 is only 80% as dense as TSMC 5

[ashen spindle]

yeah but in the alleged comparison they would've stayed on 8LPU

[fickle ore]

ADA LL is N4 and 7xxx is N5 rite?

[ashen spindle]

it's 4N because the N there is for nVidia, both are just using variations of tsmc5 high power nodes

so as much of the same node as it gets nowadays with DTCO

[fickle ore]

WTF

are u shitting me

[ashen spindle]

its not the first time they did that

[fickle ore]

Good that I asked, I nearly went for NV this go since I read on reddit nvidia using denser node

[ashen spindle]

intel arc has denser node than ampere, still doesnt beat it lmao

thats not a relevant metric for the last decade or so

[fickle ore]

yeah I just care about efficiency atm

[ashen spindle]

see also zen2->zen3 was all done on the same node

[astral haven]

Density of the node is barely relevant to efficiency now

[ashen spindle]

literally in some points its too dense so they need to relax it or it would cause thermal issues lol

[fickle ore]

Still reading online that ADA is using tsmc N4 and RDNA 3 will use N5

[astral haven]

Vs stock settings, most GPUs can halve power usage and get 90% of the performance
30 is a bit odd where you could cut 30% and lose actually zero perf at all

[fickle ore]

dno what to beleive

[astral haven]

Both are right

[ashen spindle]

its accurate

[astral haven]

But n4 is n5

Just modified

[ashen spindle]

but its just node names for variants of the same base

[fickle ore]

Modified how?

[astral haven]

Apparently Nvidias version is particularly dense

[astral haven]

Well each company chose their own modifications

[ashen spindle]

about 50% on 7nm or lower is co-desigend from fab and customer to get the product right

so take that for big volume customers like amd/nvidia 50% is the same and 50% (or more) is made together and likely unique

at leat now they keep the names similar, unlike 12n that was just a variant of 16 lmao

or was it 22 to 16N, one of those

[fickle ore]

Okay

It's whatever then Ig

gotta watch benches

[astral haven]

Tldr ignore node just look at the reviews

[ashen spindle]

yup

[fickle ore]

Fkin HDR lags on OW2

[ashen spindle]

damn thats one nice collection https://twitter.com/bl4ckdot/status/1578015645882789888/photo/1

bl4ckdot 🇫🇷 (@bl4ckdot)

#HallofFame @GALAXHQ @GalaxJapan @galaxyus

Twitter · Oct 6, 2022, 1:33 PM

too bad galax is unlikely to fill the KP card hole

[vagrant pagoda]

How so

They have always been #1 or 2 for XOC cards

Just much much more limited

[ashen spindle]

yeah from what GN and co mentioned it was mostly evga/KP who pushed for more stuff they would be allowed to do on the high end cards so that is lacking now

[astral haven]

Limited in terms of availability not in terms of capability

[vagrant pagoda]

Yeah

[ashen spindle]

also that, much lower presence in western market

[astral haven]

As far as the us folks know

[vagrant pagoda]

HOF cards have always pushed the highest limits

[astral haven]

Hof ln2

[vagrant pagoda]

And generally leak the XOC bios

[astral haven]

The retail versions are often quite different

[ashen spindle]

also a good chance at least parts of what HOF cards could do would come after evga pushed for it, not entirely obviously, but as war as we can tell it certainly seems likely

[vagrant pagoda]

Luckily my 1080tis have the XOC bios

[vagrant pagoda]

EVGA pushed it to be public. Galaxy was always fine with it being behind a wall

[ashen spindle]

I mean doesnt really do much if it exists and nobody can touch it lol