They aren't great frequency wise
But they are shockingly good performance wise
#🔌│tech
astral haven
vagrant pagoda
200mhz drop is fine for a stock vs aio
that actually bad on the aio lol
as noctua is all about quiet and the fact it at 20% is the same as a 100% stock cooler is good
but the aio offering 3%
is very meh
astral haven
This is on the 7950x
Ok a normal CPU these would be identical down to like 80% on the wraith
astral haven
Smh
Need to just not buy it lmao
When your last gen best CPU outperforms your next gen one despite an entire memory generation, there's no excuse for using the exact same power (in the 7700x's case) or double the power for the 7950x
astral haven
It's directly comparable lmao
The appoligisms I've seen for 7000 were already overstaying their welcome on launch day
vagrant pagoda
lol
you can see how fast the 7000x3d will be by comparing the non 3d parts
it will be zoom
i love my 5800x3d
i just hope for a 2 ccx x3d
astral haven
Yep
Which is why being an apologetic for the base 7000 is inexcusable
astral haven
Sure
But making excuses for it is as bad as making excuses for the 11900k
In fact it's identical
New champion for avx512 in the 128b bus class both ways
vagrant pagoda
also a x3d apu would be cool
vagrant pagoda
the cpu would be faster
so it would do things
lol
dd5 will be the uplift for the apu
plus rdna2
astral haven
X3d wouldn't help the apu part
vagrant pagoda
didnt say it would
astral haven
It will happen eventually (again)
vagrant pagoda
with zero software support in windows or linux
astral haven
Except that's not true lel
vagrant pagoda
source?
astral haven
vagrant pagoda
nothing in there about unified memory
astral haven
The only thing that AMD has been doing is having comms for the igpu to CPU be on a separate bus where Intel just uses their ring
astral haven
nothing in there about unified memory
Literally watch the video
vagrant pagoda
where
time stamp it
the only unified memory device on AMDs roadmap is HBM APUs for enterprise datacenters.
astral haven
Literally watch the video for 2 seconds and it appears on screen
The only memory in this system is gddr5
vagrant pagoda
and
shared =/= unified
memory is partitioned
to get data into gpu memory it goes though the cpu-gpu bus
astral haven
The GPU has full access to the bandwidth of the memory
Therefore it is shared
vagrant pagoda
with unified the cpu would just write directly to the same memory the gpu uses
astral haven
The CPU has full access to the capacity of the memory therefore it is unified
This isn't complicated
astral haven
with unified the cpu would just write directly to the same memory the gpu uses
That's not what that means
vagrant pagoda
yes it is
astral haven
No
vagrant pagoda
thats what unified memory is for apus
vagrant pagoda
a gpu cant directly read from system memory, the data is copied from system memory to gpu memory, even if the underlying memory is the same controller. you end up with copies of data and wasted thoughput
astral haven
Except that's not how that works
It's not the same data
Directstorage is working to fix that
But the data stored by GPUs is inherently different since it has to go through the hardware compressor of the GPU before the GPU can use it at all
astral haven
It's also a bunch of other back end stuff that will allow data to be read by the GPU without going through the hardware compressor
vagrant pagoda
which is sudo-unified
it brings some of the gains from unified without requiring the software to support unified memory
but
HSA operates over the internal CPU-GPU pcie bus
astral haven
Infinity fabric
Not pcie
On the g series CPUs those are identical
But on the consoles they are very much not
vagrant pagoda
but the sudo-unified nature of hsa is why you can still use apu igpus with iommu pasthough to vms
if the igpu was unified you would have to use vfio
which is why intels igpus, which are unified have vfio/gvt-d
the igpu cant be separated from the cpu.
astral haven
That's simply a choice that was made by Intel
AMD allows you to set the hardware reserve levels to high enough that it can actually function as a GPU without using shared memory
If you want to go by that definition of unified my 3090 has 12 TB of unified memory
Here it is running a program that requires about 5 TB of memory and it's currently using over 4
Whether the memory is shared or not has no impact on whether it is unified or not unified is a hardware term shared as the software term that is loosely related
If you actually look into it AMD is using a pcie 3.0 X1 bus according to it's internal reporting
Yet it runs at about 12gb/s
🤔
Intel simply chooses to not present the igp as a pcie device at all
astral haven
Oh my god
The steam deck bios is fully navigable without any extra devices
No touchscreen sadly but besides that it's fully useable with the touchpads and buttons
vagrant pagoda
Oh my god
The steam deck bios is fully navigable without any extra devices
No to...
i mean that isnt that surprising
there are pre uefi machines with touchscreen support though
vagrant pagoda
like late 90s early 2000s
reef patrol
I don't know if Autohotkey can intercept signals from a specific keyboard, but yes
silk trout
whole point of a stream deck is the images on the buttons I guess
frozen ingot
whole point of a stream deck is the images on the buttons I guess
its main selling point yea
I use an $18 macropad off aliexpress 
silk trout
I have a large amount of those
frozen ingot
not as sophisticated or simple to set up I imagine as a stream deck, but it does most of what I want it to
pale sigil
@astral haven make sure you increase vram for Windows on the deck
Tbh I had shit issues with windows 11 on the deck
Ended up using w10
wheat plume
Oh
He's the one at Starforge that made the light up cock and balls computer
ashen spindle
I can guarantee you he did not make it 
wheat plume
Isn't he in the Starforge team?
ashen spindle
he owns the org/company lmao
ashen spindle
lolololo nope
frozen ingot
he basically paid a mate or something to run the business for him
ashen spindle
none of these people build a pc lolololol
wheat plume
Oh
Then who is?
frozen ingot
asmongold just chips in money to keep the place running
wheat plume
Ooohh
ashen spindle
how do you not recognize some of the biggest youtube/twitch channels when you post like hours of content daily lol
ashen spindle
silk trout
Who needs a webcam when you have a phone
wheat plume
Can't use phone as webcam on computer
Unless you get a phone mount and have an iphone and Mac computer
ashen spindle
yea you can, just put it somewhere where it stands in the right position
on books or something or tape it if you dont have anything at all
silk trout
Can't use phone as webcam on computer
wheat plume
Hmmm
ashen spindle
can even use an iphone on windows or linux as a webcam
reef patrol
I'd be worried about overheating personally
ashen spindle
I mean, shouldn't happen, thats not an out of spec usecase
pale sigil
I used my phone as a webcam for month's when I was doing online counselling
Best £4 I've ever spent.
In recent times
reef patrol
I mean, shouldn't happen, thats not an out of spec usecase
If you say so. All phones and cameras I've had, had 20min limits due to heat.
ashen spindle
tf
wheat plume
🤔
ashen spindle
well I never used it more than 5 minutes so cant really say its different but am surprised
pale sigil
Tf
I used mine for over an hour every week
Sometimes for hours
maybe you were using fast charge?
At the same time?
silk trout
If you say so. All phones and cameras I've had, had 20min limits due to heat.
I have used two phones for like 3 hours and the most that happens is that they're a little warm
halcyon moss
i had a phone as a webcam for weeeeks
an samsung s6
it did get fairly hot though..
silk trout
I used an s9 and a OnePlus 5t
would've kept using the OnePlus but the back camera glass just fell off
halcyon moss
ah one plus quality 👌
solar hinge
If you say so. All phones and cameras I've had, had 20min limits due to heat.
but as an "old" phone you have laying around, just wifi and no other apps running, it should be fine
solar hinge
ah one plus quality 👌
oneplus 7 pro, still the best phone 😄
halcyon moss
htc one (m7)
pale sigil
you mean OP7pro 😛
I wish the popup camera was more tradition, I much prefer having that.
solar hinge
I wish the popup camera was more tradition, I much prefer having that.
i do wish they let you see the counter without rooting it
solar hinge
of course, plenty of retards and plenty of manufacturing errors , but that's like always the case
pale sigil
Hehe I love surprising people with the popup camera even now.
silk trout
htc one (m7)
fax
solar hinge
with manufacturing errors i mean, just defective from the beginning or related issues. but i think it was below 2% of users
halcyon moss
its the prettiest phone
solar hinge
Counter?
it has a built in counter that keeps track of how many times you've opened and closed it
sure, but it's like "standard"
nothing out of the ordinary
pale sigil
it has a built in counter that keeps track of how many times you've opened and c...
Why would you care for that lol
solar hinge
Why would you care for that lol
just to see how little i have used it
because people were like "this will break so fast, it's only 200k open and close actions warranteed"
that i don't remember, i stopped caring after i found out 😄
true, but these are the same people whining and moaning that also get a new phone every 6 months 😄
halcyon moss
last phone 3 years, this one i want to do 4 years with
3 years was because basically the security support ended
and my current one has 5 years!
pale sigil
My battery is just shit tbh
solar hinge
OP7pro i received on 24th june 2019
S22 ultra i received on 1st july 2022
so 3 years
but i only got it because i could get it for 850 euros 😄
the s22 ultra
pale sigil
Which is still to much
solar hinge
OnePlus is just oppo nowadays
this is why the guy that created "Nothing" left oneplus
silk trout
I never buy new phones because used flagships are always better than new phones at the same price
pale sigil
Mid range phones are extremely appealing
silk trout
though I am slightly worried about the Samsung phone I have now
battery will explode and kill me soon
halcyon moss
battery will explode and kill me soon
why
silk trout
they have expanding batteries again
halcyon moss
because some phones in drawers started to swell?
solar hinge
I never buy new phones because used flagships are always better than new phones ...
when i got the -OP7pro i was getting 115/month for my phone from my employer 😄
and the s22 ultra i had like 550 euro discount 😄 (from the official samsung website)
silk trout
mm
halcyon moss
550 euro discount? what how? my wife needs a new phone
solar hinge
550 euro discount? what how? my wife needs a new phone
i told you this at that time 😄
well the contract was for 2 years
halcyon moss
i told you this at that time 😄
oh right, found it
solar hinge
netherlands 😛
i didn't get 115, i think the phone was like 44 euros per month and my subscription was 35 (for unlimited everything in europe 😛 )
ashen spindle
then there is my old contract at 1gb but 0€ a month
shadow minnow
Can’t beat that value
wheat plume
moms old plan was 100mb of data a month!
The guy at the counter when we went in to change it nearly had a jaw drop when he saw that was the amount
ashen spindle
Well I say old but I still have it, they don’t offer it anymore but also can’t kick me out quite yet xD
No free sms or calls but I also don’t need that so best value for me
Probably paid like 5€ in the last 3 years for it
ashen spindle
only saw that now, dear god 14 layers for the dark, didnt even know they make these pcb sandwiches
frozen ingot
wonder if we've gotten to the point of embedding components between the layers inside the pcb yet
astral haven
wonder if we've gotten to the point of embedding components between the layers i...
antennas, virtual resistors, and capacitors are all made in the pcb itself
astral haven
only saw that now, dear god 14 layers for the dark, didnt even know they make th...
in the networking world it isnt uncommon to see 20 layer pcbs
and in the metrology space, there are plenty of higher layer count boards
ashen spindle
oh makes sense there I guess
astral haven
if things get desperate tho theres always ceramic lel
ashen spindle
https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1577243380102340608 also, finally they get around finalizing this
crimson wigeon
Aw yeah can't wait for fully wireless devices to bypass this
frozen ingot
antennas, virtual resistors, and capacitors are all made in the pcb itself
creating antennas and resistors on boards with various trace patterns and thiccnesses is pretty common to see yes, was thinking more of a combined board manufacturing and pick n place process inserting discrete smd parts like resistor and caps between each layer as the board is being made
astral haven
if you need the amount of capacitance or resistance that discrete parts give you, you probably also want it not capacitively coupled to the internals of your board...
frozen ingot
would it be much difference from having the part sitting on the surface vs sitting on a sublayer
astral haven
yes
reef patrol
Aw yeah can't wait for fully wireless devices to bypass this
That'll just push massive innovation for wireless charging and power. Also won't the wireless charger be considered a charger and thus USB C? 😄
astral haven
would it be much difference from having the part sitting on the surface vs sitti...
unless you removed a large area from the upper pcbs as a sort of keep out zone
astral haven
That'll just push massive innovation for wireless charging and power. Also won't...
yea I believe they got around the wireless charging issue by requiring that the devices support usb c
not that any charging cable be usb c
frozen ingot
guess it depends on what type of part and what its close to though, I wouldn't really think to do it with anything else than passive things like resistors and maybe some diodes or capacitors
astral haven
if its not close to important stuff, just put it on the surface
frozen ingot
am quite unfamiliar with high density high frequency mixed signal boards and circuits so might be crosstalk/interference issues doing it
frozen ingot
if its not close to important stuff, just put it on the surface
yeah was mostly thinking of squeezing more parts into a smaller board by maybe putting passive stuff like resistors etc into sublayers freeing up space on the surface for other things
astral haven
thats why lots of systems use multiple stacked boards
the advantage is you have no soldering to do while inside a pcb
frozen ingot
def preferable from a servicing point of view
frozen ingot
still, if parts were embedded inside boards you'd literally have to drill them out 
astral haven
nah
you wouldnt be able to fully imbed the parts
the way it would have to work is you would have the upper layers of the pcb gone
crude carbon
does wooting have any discount codes?
frozen ingot
if a part isn't flush with the board you'd have to make a hole in the layer above to accomodate it yes
crude carbon
crimson wigeon
Definitely not if you keep spamming
astral haven
if a part isn't flush with the board you'd have to make a hole in the layer abov...
wdym flush with the board lmao
astral haven
in the middle of someone else's conversation
frozen ingot
they can't make the keyboards half as fast as they sell them, won't be discounts anytime soon
crude carbon
they can't make the keyboards half as fast as they sell them, won't be discounts...
but when i was in checkout and it said that i could put in a discount code
astral haven
thats shopify being shopify, that box appears regardless of what you do
frozen ingot
wdym flush with the board lmao
ignore that, figured for a sec there'd might be smt parts flat enough 
astral haven
thing is anything small enough to fit inside would also fit outside
ashen spindle
wonder if thats stuff that we will need for pcie6 to get the signal far enough or something along those lines
astral haven
lel
look at the speeds of dram
and look at the distances dram goes on some of the higher end servers
ashen spindle
I mean is the signarl comparable? I know pcie5 used pam4 which shortens it a bit, idk how a ddr5 signal works
astral haven
ddr5 is much simpler just higher speed
thing is
there are muuuuuuuch more complex coding patterns than pam4
the better your coding, the more data you carry on the same signals
ashen spindle
sure but surely those arent free to use or else why use pam4 in pcie/g6x
astral haven
because they dont need more
as they get more and more pressed, they will spend the muns to engineer the encoding
ashen spindle
mfw I was about to ask if anyone knows what could cause my radiator to make weird motor noises, turns out neighbours came back today and someones using the air compressor and just sounds as if it came from my heater lmfao
astral haven
sure but surely those arent free to use or else why use pam4 in pcie/g6x
remember we have 800gbps over a copper cable over 15 meters
its just the complexity isnt needed yet in normal applications
state of the art is 112g/data wire
literally just implementing that would give us 900GB/s pcie x16
(pcie 5 is 64GB/s)
ashen spindle
lolololol amd firing shots at intel
From our point of view, we had the CPU engine in hand, and that’s going well. We have the GPU engine in hand, but it is two to three years behind the CPU and executing against a more capable competitor,
reef patrol
Oh... huh... I finally have 144hz on my monitor out of the blue now without getting compression.
and a much more vibrant colour palette.
ashen spindle
bad cable that got sneezed on by the cat and now is in the one spot where it has enough bandwidth?
reef patrol
No I reinstalled my nVidia driver after it started back in January.
To be clear I've done this before, I have formatted, I have DDU'ed, I have attempted to coax update firmware out of Lenovo, and I have tried 4 different cables all 1.4 rated.
Literally had to set up a custom resolution locked to 120hz to avoid compressed reds.
ashen spindle
huh
reef patrol
Which is super obvious in Discord on names.
ashen spindle
they just really wanted to make sure youre not looking at amd cards
gusty kiln
I hope amd can shake off the driver stigma
reef patrol
They did like... what... half a decade ago?
ashen spindle
I think they can if rdna3 drivers on launch are solid, they have the foundation now need to not fuck it up
ashen spindle
thats why im saying they di lay the foundation
astral haven
Nvidia has proven for 15 years that they can follow through on good drivers
And they continue to fix issues past the 5 year mark on their products...
ashen spindle
sure but cant just put it on that or you could never buy amd because nvidia always has 15 more years
astral haven
3 years ago, AMD released a flagship GPU that got less than a year of support...
9 months
ashen spindle
I mean norrod said it himself in the interview I posted, they are still seeing themselves 2-3 years behind in gpu compared to cpus
astral haven
In the datacenter
gusty kiln
Gib server moneh
ashen spindle
and while thats not an amazing look, if they support my 6800 that doesnt really relate to how longe vega was alive
astral haven
Where there aren't random hardware compatibility concerns
ashen spindle
true I guess he's not client group
ashen spindle
from release week lmao
astral haven
and while thats not an amazing look, if they support my 6800 that doesnt really ...
Sure
But they have to prove themselves at least once before I can start recommending them
gusty kiln
6800 pricing is still fucked
ashen spindle
paid like 100 more only or so
astral haven
I have bought 20+ GPUs
1 Nvidia GPU didn't work properly
And 1 amd GPU worked properly
gusty kiln
It starts at 900 at microcenter
astral haven
And 1 GPU failed any stability tests
Guess what it was that same Nvidia GPU
Seems someone cooked the memory on this 780ti 😦
Not a single one of my Nvidia GPUs had artifacts on the windows desktop (even the erroring memory one)
ashen spindle
I mean we went over this before, I think now they are in a decent enough state so if they are keeping up on launch I think its fine, you prefer to have some bigger timeframe in which amd was solid to recommend it which is fine
ashen spindle
well yeah I also wont recommed anything wild for when I'd have to fix it myself because aunt X doesnt know a thing lmao
if its someone who can reset cmos I'll also recommend gigabyte boards if they make sense in the case
astral haven
i really want an a770 16gb
350 for 16gb on that massive overkill cooler 👍
astral haven
if its someone who can reset cmos I'll also recommend gigabyte boards if they ma...
not even lel
it needs to be a board with the functional bios buttons
ashen spindle
intel should have made big.Little their gpu theme and sold the arc cards as additional cards for system with a 4090
astral haven
the midrange boards with dual bios but the gigabyte made autoswitching are hell to use
ashen spindle
oh no not the high end, b450 in this case because massive USB ports was needed and adapter cards are fucky
just one bios
astral haven
adapter cards are goated stfu /s
ashen spindle
yea they are the best for somehow bricking bios on one office pc 3 years ago
astral haven
user error /s
ashen spindle
dont ask me how that works but the adapter in the pc meant bios broke lmfao
astral haven
fr tho there are some sweet adapters that exist
the linkreal quad controller card is sweet
fair gull
is there even a rail from pci to bios?
ashen spindle
idk what board it was, but probably was an x8 slot into the chipset
astral haven
presumeably a bug in the bios
astral haven
did it perma brick the computer?
fair gull
or just sell the pc
got a 386
i think it was a 386 not 486
works except the bios doesnt stay due to dallas clock
ashen spindle
when you power the pc on with it nothing would appear on screen, put it out and nothing on screen, replace cmos and it booted fine
reset rather, not a fully new battery
astral haven
or just sell the pc
thats really gonna be up to you
astral haven
when you power the pc on with it nothing would appear on screen, put it out and ...
i would suspect it didnt know what to do with the resources
this is what happens if a xeon phi takes over the memory addresses the igpu was using
ashen spindle
no clue, other card worked fine so we just put the cheap one to the garbage so it wont destroy something else lmao
reef patrol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yayAQAC1XiE
Gotta love seeing mobo manufacturers shove it to Intel like in the old days 😄
aka. bypassing k model overclocking locks* on non-k models.
ashen spindle
ist it just the bclk overclock you can do since adl release?
reef patrol
Just a shame Intel apparently still managed to block sales of them.
ashen spindle
bit of a delayed video when its many moons old
reef patrol
ist it just the bclk overclock you can do since adl release?
Custom clock chip letting you do ratios on non-k's
ashen spindle
yeah thats the thing people found out like a week after launch lol
reef patrol
I'm just nostalgic for the good old days when Duron and Athlon were king.
Getting 500mhz for free by putting a pencil mark between two contacts for less than half the price was insane to behold as a kid 😄
ashen spindle
yes yes, now back to the pond and eat your bread old man
astral haven
yea the good old days of skylake
ashen spindle
you're already getting your northbridge back on amd (sorta) with 2 chips, now dont get greedy
reef patrol
astral haven
dual southbridge lel
ashen spindle
snorthbridge
frozen ingot
I think the last time I had an amd cpu was on socket a actually
astral haven
939 bby
frozen ingot
athlon xp 1600+ or something
astral haven
well 939 before am4
reef patrol
reef patrol
I'm sure he can - But the fine for doing so is... big
reef patrol
Can't wait for the platform to turn into more shit.
cursive summit
I wonder what on earth would he do with it
He clearly doesn't want it anymore
Was more of a clout thing that he tried buying it
Fuck off stock market
ashen spindle
I reall was hoping he'd have to like pay a hefty fine and not buy it in the end
I want him to lose money
ashen spindle
but also dont really want to be on his platform
ashen spindle
ofc it would
if the plan is to buy it for 54 you'd waste money not buying shares that are lower than that lmao
cursive summit
It's funny af though
He's paying a price that twitter hasn't been at for a year now
ashen spindle
thats normal
cursive summit
I suppose that's when the deal was formed?
ashen spindle
whenever you buy lots of shares the price rises automatically, and if you buy 100% you obviously pay more than the price its going for
cursive summit
Lol since when is Tesla at 248.57$?
That shit was at 1.1k last I checked
Am I looking at some wrong tesla or was there a share split?
ashen spindle
split
cursive summit
"August 4, 2022, Tesla's shareholders approved the 3-for-1 stock split during the company's annual meeting."
Oh
I don't really get why these get done
ashen spindle
gusty kiln
I remember when xillinx was merging with AMD and people were trying to buy xilinx stock for the best ratios
ashen spindle
yeah some people made massive money on that merger
astral haven
I don't really get why these get done
that way joe shmoe can buy entire shares
ibm shares would now be well over 50 grand if they didnt split a dozen times
half dozen but same idea
currently they are 125 and since 1960 they have split approximately 75:1
so a 1960 shareholder with 10 shares would have the equivalent of 750 shares today
crimson wigeon
Very cool
thick elk
Or rather get those reviews out there ASAP before better cards hit the market
It's clearly aimed to not compete with nvidia for media attention
ashen spindle
I mean they launch on the same day as the 4090
so they want something
either grab onto it or bury it in there
thick elk
Just saying they don't do it just to give customers a good chance to read reviews before launch.
deft marlin
Can't wait for the platform to turn into more shit.
Edward Snowden though 💀
vagrant pagoda
It's clearly aimed to not compete with nvidia for media attention
It means they are very confident in their product though
Which should mean much better drivers
astral haven
It means they are very confident in their product though
again tho or they want it to be buried...
ashen spindle
Depending who in intel you’re asking you’d get confirmation for either option I bet
astral haven
agreed lel
wheat plume
What do they mean by damage?
astral haven
bad commands were being sent, which in theory could cause dammage
wheat plume
Hardware damage??
astral haven
in theory yea
ashen spindle
What else...
wheat plume
Wtf
wheat plume
Hmmm
.....
Panics about what version my laptop is on
cursive summit
You have an intel laptop?
ashen spindle
Does your laptop even use intel graphics
astral haven
i mean chances are high lel
ashen spindle
Nah more likely to be some mx card in there
wheat plume
Does your laptop even use intel graphics
Yes
Idk what else it would have
ashen spindle
What
wheat plume
It's got an Intel CPU
And no dedicated GPU
So yeah
Pretty sure it's using Intel graphics
ashen spindle
Yes
Idk what else it would have
I think you did a wrong word there
wheat plume
Yes
ashen spindle
Well, intel and Linux confirmed to kill hardware, better avoid both
wheat plume
They've got 3 versions of Windows in this thumbnail....
And really old Ubuntu and Android
Wtf is this xd
Rumors about Apple removing physical power and volume buttons on iPhone 16
Good luck force shutting down your phone if it freezes
pale sigil
Weren't there rumours they were moving to no wire for the iPhone 14 lol
wheat plume
i mean
theres already that problem on the current iPhones
Wat
astral haven
Weren't there rumours they were moving to no wire for the iPhone 14 lol
there have been experimental iphones without wires forever
no buttons is a difference
astral haven
Wat
about 3 times now we have had iphones that were basically bricks until either their battery died or we stuck them back in the configurator
no combination of buttons would get them unstuck
the up down power dance does not consistently work in our experience
misty saffron
huh, always worked for me
wheat plume
I thought of something that freaked me out....
Sneakily aliasing a terminal command to run a malicious script instead
Meanwhile the terminal shows the expected output but the script is logging your password or whatever in the background
astral haven
huh, always worked for me
yea but worked for 1 iphone and works on a thousand iphones are a different story
wheat plume
Why is the Always On Display on iOS just the lockscreen but dimmed a lot????
Seems like a battery waste
astral haven
they are probably using psr and compensating for the battery drain somehow
they also dont want to burn in the screen and they are just messing up their implementation lel
misty saffron
Seems like a battery waste
oled screen at this brightness and 1 hz refresh rate needs fuck all
just gonna remind you the new iphones do 14 hours screen time
wheat plume
1Hz
Ok , that's good
astral haven
You also have the option to go either way on android too
empty wren
I mean you are not wrong
Caffeine+ some way to toggle low brightness maybe even use tasker
astral haven
That's not the same
You do also need a phone with panel self refresh to actually take advantage of the battery savings
reef patrol
ohno...
Because I spent hours trying to unfuck the Windows 11 UI already. And these updates almost always rollback all of that and block several things you USED to be able to.
At least they finally addressed the godawful forced recommendations start menu thing.
This is my UI. Notice how it's .... Windows 10 in 11.
And even with all of this work and fiddling it still isn't perfect. I literally can't see my calendar in the bottom right. The click behaviour is off.
Sometimes you just need to remind yourself whether the 16th is a Sunday or a Wednesday 😄
Yeah I use it too. Just takes way too many clicks and typing on PC. And my phone is like... way over there. I am lazy 😄
stark bobcat
actually using win 11
reef patrol
actually using win 11 <:havo:975821613415157860>
I mean it does have a slight performance boost on my system. And the more streamlined control panel helps.
stark bobcat
never used it so idk maybe I ll try it after I install my new cpu
but I usually prefer something polished
solar hinge
he only uses his pc without an internet connection
reef patrol
Like I said - It's the old Windows 10 start menu hacked in.
wheat plume
ah, there's no place like ~
stark bobcat
is the arc review embargo today or tomorrow utc+1?
ashen spindle
should be today
vagrant pagoda
ah, there's no place like ``~``
I still have a OG thinkgeek "no place like 127.0.0.1" door mat
It's in front of my rack l.
wheat plume
LOL
crimson wigeon
omegalul better than 3080 ecks dee
stark bobcat
who said that?
ashen spindle
the graph
ashen spindle
11 year old game
stark bobcat
lmfao
crimson wigeon
That runs on OpenGL no less
ashen spindle
quake but modern but bad
crimson wigeon
Maybe it's some weird CPU overhead thing /shrug
ashen spindle
yeah drivers gonna make some things like that funky
stark bobcat
the rocket league fps are probably also ass
so these cards are sadly not for me
I'd actually buy one if it wasn't that much of a difference even if it was worse
ashen spindle
ehh source and unreal do work quite different
unreal usually does worse on amd cards so there is a chance it has a shot there
crimson wigeon
Where's CSGObenchmark
stark bobcat
we'll see the csgo results are very ass tho at that point I could just use my old gtx 970 lol
crimson wigeon
yeah, pathetic
crimson wigeon
No, it's just that good
cursive summit
Where even is the 6900XT
crimson wigeon
Phoronix never got one
ashen spindle
since you still run into the cpu, the driver overhead hurts nvidia there thats why the 3090 is lower in that result
cursive summit
I wonder if it's the renderer in CS:GO that posted it bad results
Other game ran on OpenGL?
ashen spindle
cursive summit
A770 isn't out yet right? Mid october?
stark bobcat
considering csgo is dx9
but their driver team could optimize for csgo manually
but I highly doubt it
shame I would have bought these cards if they were better in esports titles
please intel
I want to give you my money
ashen spindle
idk I would look out for RL tests if you want it for that mainly
because unreal could mean it does better in comparison
stark bobcat
yeah I ll see
I havn't seen any minecraft results yet
minecraft rtx would be interesting to me since I doubt my 6700 would run it well
crimson wigeon
omegalul
stark bobcat
sadge
why do so few outlets benchmark any esports titles
it s all metro tomb raider assasins creed all the time
ashen spindle
because singleplayer esports doesnt mean anything and consistent reproduction of online stuff is nearly impossible
stark bobcat
that is true but it'd be nice if they could figure out something consistent
ashen spindle
replay sytem in csgo for example does do similar, but then issues with older versions not working comes up etc.
stark bobcat
csgo has a community benchmark afaik
ashen spindle
well ideally the game would have a benchmark that is reflective, like GN included the FF14 benchmark
ashen spindle
would be nice to know that for example a 5800x3d does amazing for gta5 online based on a friend who said he now never drops below 100fps when he would usually not even reach that lmfao
but aside from one offs that is really hard to do and not really good data to compare
stark bobcat
hardware unboxed sometimes does valorant and fortnite I wonder how he does that
ashen spindle
replay system in fortnite but he mentioned how he needs to redo that often since newer patch means old data isnt valid anymore and replays break
reef patrol
why do so few outlets benchmark any esports titles
Because most of those titles are already past 144fps or more stable on anything benchmarked or is entirely CPU throttled
stark bobcat
well most people don't draw the line at 144fps
ashen spindle
yeah that doesnt really mean anything though when people want more or want to know how much to get there when coming from an older system for example
reef patrol
well most people don't draw the line at 144fps
See the last sentence
Oh boy! 529fps in CSGO! How relevant
stark bobcat
it is
ashen spindle
yea
stark bobcat
people care
reef patrol
stark bobcat
wasn't elden ring locked to 60?
ashen spindle
we're starting to have 500hz screens, I assume the people getting them would like to know what they need to run it at what it can
final flame
3563 fps in osu
reef patrol
wasn't elden ring locked to 60?
Only unmodified i believe
ashen spindle
yes default is 60
reef patrol
we're starting to have 500hz screens, I assume the people getting them would lik...
Effort vs payoff.
I'd love to see more UW testing, but I'm part of a tiny minority who aren't relevant enough to put 30 hours of benchmarks into constantly
ashen spindle
I mean same for me but I can at least extrapolate an estimate by looking at 1440p and 4k
you cant extrapolate data from 0 data points
reef patrol
Leave the niche to the tiny YouTubers who do nothing than fps comparison videos.
And encourage eSports game devs to have solid benchmark tools that stay consistent and valid.
ashen spindle
lower case S in esports
crimson wigeon
e-Sports
ashen spindle
will write my complaint to you via eMail
stark bobcat
AHAHA
reef patrol
Too bad. I'm the one who reads mails first anyway
ashen spindle
yes I said to you, not about you 😛
reef patrol
astral haven
The big problem is consistency
Sure you can get 500 fps in CSGO
But what about your 1%
And .1%
reef patrol
👆
ashen spindle
you do realize that argument is a point against your view mansen
reef patrol
I seem to recall my former boss (who played CSGO almost exclusively as far as gaming went) had a custom Community map that was on rails and offered a consistent measurement somehow.
reef patrol
you do realize that argument is a point against your view mansen <:dogekek:84628...
No views here just observations. I can see why reviewers don't bother spending effort on certain games or combos of settings.
astral haven
Show
stark bobcat
it s pretty unrepresentative of the real game due to a lot of particles
reef patrol
HWUB are absolute champs for doing it again and again for existing games on like 50 cous or GPUs at a time.
stark bobcat
❤️ hwub
ashen spindle
I mean, sorta, steve plays fortnite like daily so he has the replays ready from that
astral haven
Well it shows you if you can expect to get frame drops due to smoke
astral haven
The problem is it doesn't account for stuff like scope lag frames
Or shot firing lag frames
stark bobcat
stop playing awp problem solved (don't talk to me about aug and the t one)
also auto snipers
ashen spindle
I just deagle, problem solved with zoom issues
reef patrol
If you need to sit close enough to see a single pixel as an enemy, you don't need scopes. Just move closer
Insert pic of that CSGO pro who touches forehead to monitor to play during tourneys here.
final flame
just play usp s only
stark bobcat
dual barettas only
ashen spindle
astral haven
It's still fucked
ashen spindle
at least arc isn't killing monitors quite yet
astral haven
I gave them the benefit of the doubt considering the a380 wasn't supposed to retail
But there's no excuse now
stark bobcat
yeah I heard in the gn video
reef patrol
https://twitter.com/VideoCardz/status/1577664226054873091
Good luck enforcing this.
stark bobcat
does anyone know if the intel gpus support any ml stuff yet?
ashen spindle
its not cuda but yes they have some matrix hardware that speeds up certain stuff
idk if anything beyond something like Topaz that has been working with intel for years now actively has it supported already
stark bobcat
I follow some rocket league ml bots but i am guessing it wouldn't help there but who knows
no clue what they actually use
probably doesn't need any special hardware
ashen spindle
doesnt seem to be using pytorch or anything that uses special hardware so likely not
stark bobcat
yeah dx is not doing better than vulkan
oooooooooooooooooof
those are some sad results
but maybe better on lower settings
ashen spindle
man we dont need AV1 encoding to make something faster
we need ML to make microsoft teams faster
literally sitting here 10 minutes waiting teams to finish loading a link so I can link a file I uploaded
ashen spindle
Power of Raja ™
vagrant pagoda
1080ti is the best flagship of all time, fight me lol
They are still the best bang for buck
You can get them dirt cheap now
1080tis are $200
ashen spindle
you dont get them below 300€ here
stark bobcat
the people who bought the 1080ti when it came out should buy stonks
vagrant pagoda
the people who bought the 1080ti when it came out should buy stonks
I have a pair of 1080ti xtemes
Release day
The fans died 2 years ago
Then replacements like 6 mo ago
I installed morpheus 2 coolers
Running one fanless on my torrent
stark bobcat
wait but you arn't still running sli right?
magic crypt
wait but you arn't still running sli right?
Sli, I only ever had bad experiences with it
astral haven
1080tis are $200
i want a kingpin
astral haven
Sli, I only ever had bad experiences with it
at least its not crossfire lel
vagrant pagoda
wait but you arn't still running sli right?
I was
astral haven
i own the 690 and the 7990 and one of them is a better experience than the other by a far enough margin to make the 770 driver problems look good
vagrant pagoda
I might still
I did until the cooler broke
And I haven't fixed then
If I can get a big slot spacing x670 I will
astral haven
still waiting for x8 or x16 chipset slot on am5 or 1700
vagrant pagoda
None of the x670es have the bottom slot the x8
They are all x4
And ASUS is the worst
The bottom slot runs are x4 when m.2 is in use
And they count 2 of the m.2 slots as addin cards
ashen spindle
get enough m2 to pcie adapters and put them all on one gpu, ez fix
stark bobcat
gonna buy the 5800x3d when it's not so expensive
that's gonna take a while I suspect
that is the best cpu on that platform
vagrant pagoda
Idk why Asus can't make a normal board
Gig, msi and ASRock have the same number of m.2
Without the riser
stark bobcat
and I don't think they ll make any better ones so i'll porlly stay higher priced for a while
silk trout
that's gonna take a while I suspect
I'm copium rn
astral haven
None of the x670es have the bottom slot the x8
theres even a fkn board that has the slot wired for x8, but it only works at x8 when using the m.2 riser
its fkn dumb
stark bobcat
I just settled for a 5600 knowing the x3d will be expensive for a while
vagrant pagoda
The m.2 riser kicks the x8 slot to x4
Because you really need one more 5.0 ssd over the x4 4.0 slot
silk trout
I have a 3600 but it's not powerful enough for a 6700xt
stark bobcat
u on 1080p?
silk trout
Yea
vagrant pagoda
Single core from 3xxx to 5xxx was pretty good bump
astral haven
Asus is the worst
asus was the only vendor last gen to have an x8 chipset slot that was 100% real
astral haven
so that I can get x16 gpu
astral haven
my board is x16/x8 or x8x8x8
stark bobcat
ocing?
vagrant pagoda
Yeah but GPU over chipset is more of a loss than 16x vs x8
astral haven
yea but i dont need the x8 chipset for gpu
i have a x16 to quad x8 riser card, and I run my 100g nic and my other cards in it
and I dont want to steal from the gpu
vagrant pagoda
Only reason for x8 chipset is if you have 3.0 devices
Chipset is only x4 5.0 to cpu
So unless you aren't going to use chipset m.2 or usb4, you wouldn't want to run something that needs x8 4.0 on it.
astral haven
yes
heck all of my devices that require x8 are pcie 2 devices lel
my 100g card is x16 4.0 so i wont ever properly feed it but ive given up on that
but my pcie riser is x16 3.0 only
astral haven
the problem with x570 is when I max out the chipset connection (copying data from my nas to my main ssd) all of my usb starts spazzing out
5.0x4 > 100g so that shouldnt happen on x670
ashen spindle
we just need a good board on x670e that doesnt put 5 m2 on there and just gives you max pcie but somehow none of them want to offer that
vagrant pagoda
we just need a good board on x670e that doesnt put 5 m2 on there and just gives ...
Yeah they all go the opposite
ashen spindle
like its pcie5, for love of god make use of that and offer pcie4 with double the lanes or something
vagrant pagoda
I really don't understand asus cutting the GPU down to X8 by putting an m.2 in though
Because anyone buying the extreme it's going to have a 390 or 4090
Neither of those are going to like running on X8
ashen spindle
think I know which board you mean, it goes down to x8 but also from gen5 to 4 instead of 4x16 right?
vagrant pagoda
It's Gen 5
It supports x16 or x8x8
But if you use one of the m.2 slots it will go down to x8x4
Which is the dumbest thing I've ever heard in my life
No one running that high end of a board is going to want to make the sacrifice like that
I'm hoping that EVGA makes a good x670
Or maybe we get a Halo product from ASRock that's a little better
They like to make the water cooled one a little fancier
ashen spindle
yeah for as shit some asrock stuff is at least they try janky stuff sometimes that is unique
astral haven
Would you really need is a 4.0 plx
switchtec switches are the new meta
vagrant pagoda
Yeah but you don't want to pay full price for one
vagrant pagoda
You can find a old super micro risor with a pex in it.
vagrant pagoda
I'm talking 4.0
astral haven
x16 to dual x16 4.0?
vagrant pagoda
They have x16 to dual x16 risers with PEX in them
Only use one of the ports
And it will happily switch X8 4.0 to x16 3.0 at full speed
astral haven
or use both the ports and get x16 gpu and x16 3.0 on my riser
you have some sauce for that riser?
that literally could work for me
vagrant pagoda
How are you getting x16 from the motherboard
I was talking about using the X8 chipset
astral haven
main slot lel
vagrant pagoda
I thought you said you were using just chipset bandwidth
What would be really schmick is when epic is full steam ahead on 5.0
astral haven
i was
but if theres a 4.0 x16 to dual x16 riser for cheaper than a new goddamn system then ill go for it
vagrant pagoda
5.0 dual-port riser would be dope
Just hunt down on eBay they go for $100 to 150 bucks
I have one in my home server to run dual 40 gig cards because they are 3.0
astral haven
the ones for that price are bifurcating last i checked
vagrant pagoda
That's why you have to look
You'll see the chip for the PEX versions
They are generally for blade style servers
As the blades only have a x16 connection to the chassis
astral haven
im gonna need what we call in the biz sauce
vagrant pagoda
My router has one I'll get the pn when I get home
It's a x570 in a 2u
With the riser to run dual 40g cards that are 3.0
astral haven
also have you checked that you can hit 80g?
vagrant pagoda
I mean it would be fine at 3.0 speeds
But it connects to the motherboard at 4.0
And both cards are only 3.0
astral haven
yea but 40g is ez on 3.0x8
astral haven
so what makes you think it supports dual x16 electrical
vagrant pagoda
Because that's what it's wired as
astral haven
???
astral haven
on both slots
vagrant pagoda
Yes they both run to the switch
astral haven
yes but do both slots have x16 worth of wires running to them
vagrant pagoda
There would be no reason to have a switch if it was x8
vagrant pagoda
Servers support bifurcation
astral haven
but if its x16/x8x8 on the riser it needs a switch
vagrant pagoda
It's dual slot
X16 in, x16 x16 out
If it was x16 in, x8 x8 out it wouldn't need a switch
astral haven
yes but if it switches between being x16 out and being x8x8 out it needs the switch
but it doesnt need the expensive switches, it can use the cheap ones
vagrant pagoda
Different kind of switches
It would be the little single Lane switches
Not the big pex style
astral haven
80% of the pex series is 1:1 switch + retimer + debug in 1 package
I'd love to be proven wrong for sure
But I'm very very familiar with plx
vagrant pagoda
I've never seen a device that used a full size PEX for 1:1
Why not just use mobo switch pcie muxes
vagrant pagoda
That isn't just one to one
That can also act as a Target which means they would need an active chip
astral haven
I've never seen a device that used a full size PEX for 1:1
🤷 now youve seen a device
vagrant pagoda
And it doesn't use a pex for just one to one
It's using it so that it can be a Target or a host
There are fully passive x16 to external risers
astral haven
1:1 card that is literally just a bifurcation adapter
https://a.aliexpress.com/_mscjLIu
vagrant pagoda
I have almost the same riser but it has notches to run an X4 or X8 slot
Kind of shitty the knockoffs drop the notches
It's kind of what makes it so nice.
astral haven
?
astral haven
This is what I have
https://a.aliexpress.com/_mtPRlI0
ashen spindle
nobody said they will be fine
cursive summit
I think I remember that conversation, someone here said that I should put trust in Intel, they will be good on launch
Isn't that right, Carmonben
ashen spindle
we said time has passed since a look at an unreleased product was taken and they have a chance to fix it
not that it 100% will happen
astral haven
I think I remember that conversation, someone here said that I should put trust ...
literally noone said that
cursive summit
Literally YOU said that
astral haven
thats not what i said
cursive summit
Fine, I'll pull up the logs
ashen spindle
also you're late, we already made fun of arc 3 hours ago
misty saffron
just wait for a couple of generations of arc++ and they should be able to be competitive
at least that’s how it seems to work with intel
cursive summit
It seems fine if that perf is universal for what, 300$?
Good to know they'll be inept until what's the C letter called, Chieftain?
Chaplain?
astral haven
arc battlemage celestial
ashen spindle
but hey, best $ per N6 silicon, won't find anything else that offers as much for so little cost
astral haven
im really curious how far the card can be downcosted
that cooler is not what i would call cheaply made
ashen spindle
more expensive cooler means more revenue even if lower margin and I think thats all they can hope for with it
astral haven
extreme doubt
cursive summit
Can't wait for it to be blown out of the water by 7500XT if that exists
misty saffron
anyways, funny how amd is able to build a good product from scratch and intel is being intel
astral haven
they will not be selling these past the demand curve
astral haven
anyways, funny how amd is able to build a good product from scratch and intel is...
what now?
ashen spindle
if we call decades of experience scratch, sure
shadow minnow
Pretty sure amd has been making GPUs for a while
astral haven
by buying ati
misty saffron
i’m doubting intel doesn’t have experience considering they’ve also been making igpus
astral haven
its very different
misty saffron
not in the best way but
astral haven
they have to make a pcie controller and a new memory controller
ashen spindle
knights landing is closer to arc than the igpu probably lol
cursive summit
i dont believe amd has ever made a brand new product lel
Technically they invented x86-64
astral haven
*Technically* they invented x86-64
technically intel and amd collaborated, amd just implemented it first
shadow minnow
Why would you compare intel’s iGPU shit to dGPUs then?
misty saffron
it is extremely similar on the silicon level, in my opinion
ashen spindle
nope
astral haven
your opinion contradicts the facts lel
ashen spindle
it might at first glance make sense if it were but it isn't
misty saffron
interesting, need to read up on it then
astral haven
also intel literally scrapped their dgpu design team and had to build it from scratch in 2018
intel had the first realtime raytracing in a game engine back in like 2015
those folks got yeeted
misty saffron
can’t find any info on the difference between igpu and dgpu cores
astral haven
cores definetly arent the problem with arc
they are doing a very very good job in terms of raw computing power
ashen spindle
on igpu you work on a small block inside the cpu, you have a different memory connection, you have smaller die area so the entire cache layout doesnt need to worry about scaling to twice the size etc.
astral haven
and intel doesnt have a pcie controller for the igpu
rtg does but intel doesnt
that had to be made from near scratch
they probably are using existing ip for the memory controller
ashen spindle
and with bigger sizes comes thinking about thermal design issues, other things that aren't a thing on smaller dies like cache latency from physically bigger cache and all those things
astral haven
thats not gonna be a major problem for the engineers tbh
at least not a new one
cough 3175x
ashen spindle
yeah it's just some of the things I can think of of the top of my head since he said he cant find anything about igpu vs dgpu design differences
misty saffron
i still can’t grasp how a massive corporation can’t do all that in years
astral haven
they can
it just needs more years
they did in 5 years what nvidia did in 20
and what ati then rtg did in 30
ashen spindle
slide where they show some specific parts which shows they also just need to figure out what works best for the software that runs on it, you need to optimize that, predict where it goes in the future
astral haven
yuppers
ashen spindle
I doubt any on the igpu team ever had to think about a scenario where a game runs at 200fps and if that works fine on hardware/driver side etc.
then it's also something they need to put into datacenter so you need something you can either flex or tune for that since they arent making 2 entirely different designs
astral haven
yea
these gpus are dc first design like everything else koduri has done in forever lel
misty saffron
they did in 5 years what nvidia did in 20
now i wonder if they had reverse engineered existing products
because if they hadn’t i think it’s a dumb move
astral haven
no they just bought the designers
ashen spindle
I mean at this point ponte veccio is more of a "we need ANYTHING that works at some point at least" design
astral haven
if they reverse engineered the product to make theirs they could absolutely get their pants sued off
ashen spindle
yea easier and cheaper to just hire the guy that made it lol
misty saffron
reverse engineering and copying are two different things really
astral haven
not according to the courts
misty saffron
how come we all have used perfectly legal ibm-compatibles then?
astral haven
because ibm contracted some of them?
and the patent wars over the ibm pc were fierce lmao
ashen spindle
at that level if you reverse engineer something it's very hard to put into something that isn't a copy since its all so closely designed together, so if they would they wouldn't learn as much as they would just gain the ability to remake the gpu they analyzed lol
astral haven
that too
ashen spindle
and if you just take Vega64 and optimize it a bit you just have Vega 72 at best
gl with that
astral haven
yup
ashen spindle
same reason the amd cpu cycle is new core -> improve -> new core
like intel did before 14nm happened
zen4 is zen3 on roids, zen5 is a new core
astral haven
tick tock
ashen spindle
also if you make it on the same foundry I wouldn't be surprised if someone at tsmc would be like "uh why does this thing we are making look like the same thing amd did 2 years ago"
astral haven
nah
ashen spindle
you dont think they would have an interrest in protecting one of their biggest customer?
astral haven
most likely it wouldnt actually physically look similar
ashen spindle
if not also save their own ass if it ever comes to that
astral haven
the way it usually works is 3rd party companies who are tasked with reverse engineering the products would notice the similarity and sell a report to amd
ashen spindle
and then lisa su calls in david wang to show him intel is remaking vega again and he dies from laughter
astral haven
yea lol
i do wish intel had actually revived the x86 gpu project
imagine a gpu that could be as hyperoptimized as cpu code can be...
ashen spindle
yeah that's not happening till we have better compilers that do more AI magic to optimize stuff
dx12 is complicated enough for too many people to fail at it still
astral haven
except intel had dx12 running on hardware first thanks to larabee
ashen spindle
yeah but the products that use dx12 took ages to not be worse than dx11 versions
astral haven
yea but they had silicon natively running dx12 a year before anyone else even had silicon
ashen spindle
I mean how would that change that x86 gpu would be way too much to hyper optimize for imo
astral haven
?
ashen spindle
if dx12 is still a challenges, surely something that is even more specific would take even longer for people to make use of it properly
astral haven
im saying this because one of the key designers of the product did a report on how fast they were moving with performance improvements
ashen spindle
on hardware side sure, but I dont think the software would've been able to make use of that
astral haven
sure they were behind on average
but they had all the games running, and they were able to frequently double the performance in game
look at software performance over time
take blender version 2.1 or something and compare it to the current version on the same cpu
looks miles better and renders light years faster