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final flame
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coarse robin
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ok i might just buy the 560's alone then

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those amps and dacs cost more then the headphones themselves xD

final flame
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you don't need them for the 560, since it doesn't require much power to drive properly
but if you do get a higher end headphone most if not all will need a amplifier to be powered properly

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the dac also does the processing outside of your pc case where there won't be electrical noise

coarse robin
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i see

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ill do that then

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if/when i do upgrade ill for sure look more into the amps and stuff

final flame
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👍

astral haven
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And it's about $15 on amazon

wheat plume
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Rip Christmas Noose Song

empty wren
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Bruh

neat oriole
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Dongle good enough

crisp granite
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wasn't expecting that

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slipping your head through a noose is a portal to unicorns and double rainbows, no?

empty wren
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They probably put the warning cuz some suicide cult used it as their theme

empty wren
coarse robin
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unless if that one is a special dongle with a dac

final flame
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if it transmits voltages it's analog
if it transfers 1s and 0s it's digital

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the dac is what converts the digital signal from a PC to voltages a speaker can use

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the amp is needed to amplify the signal from the dac as it's quite weak

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anything that outputs audio needs a dac and amp

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the quality of those and how much power the amp can put out will change depending on what the model is

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the dongle you're mentioning is a analog to analog dongle

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there is no amp in it

astral haven
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It has an amp

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And it's quite capable of outputting a volt into anything over 23 ohms

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The 560s is waaaay over which is why it works so well

final flame
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I wasn't taling about your dongle I was talking about the one included

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and just generally explaining what dacs and amps do

astral haven
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Oh ic

fair gull
coarse robin
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interesting

final flame
cursive summit
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So, why is this in my feed

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What did logitech release that was received poorly and they are now in damage control

neat oriole
cursive summit
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I'd much rather get Carmonben's cx31993 or the brand new Moondrop Click

neat oriole
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I mean if you thing $9 is too cheap PES2_Shrug

cursive summit
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It's too bad, that's about it

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Doesn't work on certain platforms, build quality is bad

neat oriole
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Mine works on windows

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Mine’s also lasted 3 years

ashen spindle
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literally tells you in that image what product its about

cursive summit
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Apparently LTT blasted the G Cloud into oblivion

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So they didn't like it very much

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Pretty terrible product tbf

ashen spindle
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not what ltt did

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they complained that logitech was curating reviews since it only showed 5 star reviews

neat oriole
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Reviews for a product that doesn’t exist yet

ashen spindle
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ya

neat oriole
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“I’m so excited to get this eventually 5/5”

cursive summit
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Reminds me of that Fallout themed 3D printer plastic shell cheap rum situation

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Where the reviews were out and 5/5 before the rum even launched

pale sigil
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@cursive summit he also left a 2 star review lol

cursive summit
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That's about how relevant that product is

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2/10

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Would rather buy a steam deck

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Or is it a valve deck?

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One of those

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Ah, cool

crimson wigeon
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THREADRIPPER

cursive summit
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Kinda X for doubt on the "before 2023" part

cursive summit
ashen spindle
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it literally doesnt say x3d before 2023

cursive summit
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We have a new consumer threadripper in 2023

cursive summit
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What does the dotted line mean then

ashen spindle
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we have a "leak" that has less information that amd gave us officially lmfao

cursive summit
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Oh a better picture

ashen spindle
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why care about the line, what are the words behind the 7000

cursive summit
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X3D Total Benefits Administration

ashen spindle
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AMD: we launch v cache first half 2023
Leaker: OMG WE FOUND THIS SLIDE THAT SAYS X3D WILL EXIST AT SOME POINT

cursive summit
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Tbf they didn't even say first half

ashen spindle
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they did

cursive summit
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Based on that bar TBA could mean that it'll be announced anytime in 2023

ashen spindle
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yes thats why this slide has less info than amd stated publicly......

cursive summit
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Fair enough

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Oh god

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“I have an idea for a blockchain social media system that does both payments and short text messages/links like twitter. You have to pay a tiny amount to register your message on the chain, which will cut out the vast majority of spam and bots. There is no throat to choke, so free speech is guaranteed.”

“My Plan B is a blockchain-based version of twitter, where the ‘tweets’ are embedded in the transaction of comments.”

“So you’d have to pay maybe 0.1 Doge per comment or repost of that comment.”

ashen spindle
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"worlds richest man says just pay for everything"

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how many doge coins to punch his face I wonder

frozen ingot
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wonder when people will finally see him for the con man that he really is

fair gull
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aka never

vocal cipher
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There was a movie or sth, a man wakes up hundreds of years later, and everyone is extremely stupid... Elon Musk is seen as a ¨genius¨ today may be the sign we are really on that path...

magic crypt
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Idiocracy

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Terry Crews as the president is amazing

junior ore
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A con artist through and through

misty saffron
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finally the trend of using iems for gaming has gotten to me

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not sure why i prefer my fiio f9 pro to sundara...

cursive summit
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"full-color passthrough"

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What even is that

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Pancake lenses?

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The one that I have also has circular lenses

misty saffron
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previously it was black and white

cursive summit
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I guess?

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How'd this make it any better though

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Quest 2 used cameras only for one thing, and that was boundaries

misty saffron
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it's an upgrade nonetheless

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you can press a button and enable the cameras

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to not take the headset off

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black and white was perfectly manageable too though

cursive summit
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Questionable usefulness but I suppose..

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Well it's fine, an upgrade is an upgrade

ashen spindle
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for XR/AR

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just like the article subline says

cursive summit
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Where exactly do we use MR nowadays?

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It's still an incredibly niche sphere

misty saffron
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if the cameras have the same terrible quality xr is a questionable upgrade to me

ashen spindle
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needs hardware that can do it before you can do it

astral haven
cursive summit
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So the device is a lot smaller

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Does the price of manufacturement increase?

astral haven
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No and yes

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The lenses are cheaper

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But the screens need to be brighter (significantly)

ashen spindle
cursive summit
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The packaging though

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I like the side face

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But front face?

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Something screams boring minimalism

astral haven
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Yes
Nvidia

pale sigil
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Guess past leaks were legit

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Similar box leaked weeks before

ashen spindle
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ofc

wheat plume
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My mind misread this .....

slow garnet
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iirc you wouldn't need that much regardless

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largest blueray is 100GB

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if we're talking about the other kind, you'd only need ~5TB afaik. there was a stat somewhere, should probably go get it.

astral haven
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I could fill that in a month with my cameras

wheat plume
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O.o

astral haven
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and my storage server is capable of holding 900tb of drives

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thanks backblaze

slow garnet
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What are you, the Chinese CCTV system?

astral haven
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i obviously cant afford to buy 900tb of drives

astral haven
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china has surveillance data on most of 2 billion people
they are probably well into the exascale range

slow garnet
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I hope that their facilities combust.

astral haven
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eh
that would probably cause lung cancer worldwide

slow garnet
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TBF, they're already inducing lung cancer worldwide.

astral haven
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not on that scale

cursive summit
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JESUS

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IT'S UGLY

ashen spindle
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if it works it works

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also dont remember if we had such a hybrid design before so I'll take new things

fair gull
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its the inside that counts

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also i couldnt care less if a gpu is ugly or not

chrome estuary
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I like the look of it

pale sigil
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Honestly I don't care anymore

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Just wack it in a windowless case

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Sorted

misty saffron
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i don’t hate it

ashen spindle
cursive summit
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Kioxia is ex-Toshiba?

astral haven
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yup

astral haven
ashen spindle
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Ik think micron also announced smh like this thought but can’t check right now

astral haven
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yea

astral haven
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but noone has been sued for price fixing nand (yet)

ashen spindle
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Well you would think after having been found multiple times they would learn and do it in a smarter way lmao

astral haven
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?

ashen spindle
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Being better at hiding price fixing xD

astral haven
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unlikely
they probably just dont do it as much

meager sluice
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Is there a wooting keyboard without keycaps?

reef patrol
meager sluice
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damn

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I was wishing there is a reason to not buy one

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well..

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thanks, I'll preorder the h60

sage sinew
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Hey guys,

Do you have any api?
For programming the keyboard directly?

ashen spindle
sage sinew
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Thanks

fair gull
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well you dont programm the keyboard with those

stark bobcat
fair gull
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doesnt

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well it technically does

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but youd have to create the entire profile from scratch and send it over

ashen spindle
astral haven
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did they also fix the color bugs?

stark bobcat
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I wonder when AMD is gonna release another recommended driver

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It's been a while

cursive summit
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I think they released one just today

astral haven
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5/10/22

cursive summit
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Is that like, October 10th?

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Or the degenerate way of how americans do it

astral haven
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may 10th

cursive summit
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Ah so 10/5/22

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The OpenGL patch was not recommended from them?

astral haven
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nope
that hasnt happened yet 😛

cursive summit
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I wonder why

astral haven
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getting drivers to pass whql is too hard for amd lel

cursive summit
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Oh god not this again

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AMD is again a scam link

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I have an urge to spam the link

astral haven
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The Windows Hardware Certification program (formerly Windows Hardware Quality Labs Testing, WHQL Testing, or Windows Logo Testing) is Microsoft's testing process which involves running a series of tests on third-party device drivers, and then submitting the log files from these tests to Microsoft for review. The procedure may also include Micros...

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wikipedia seems fine

cursive summit
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Since AMD's own website is a scam link according to wooting

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Have a guru3d link instead

astral haven
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What of it?

stark bobcat
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Tbh I don't really need new recommend drivers since 22.5.whatever works fine for me but it would be nice

astral haven
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What card?

stark bobcat
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6700xt

ashen spindle
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They did fix opengl, minecraft issues, lots of stuff but that doesnt change that carm is right in them not having a newer WHQL driver in way too long

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the pro divers did get tested by dell and co and worked so they arent completely incapable at least, but still a bit sad to see on consumer side

stark bobcat
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+1

astral haven
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Nvidia releases 1 beta driver for every 10 whql releases
And releases 1 whql driver for every 10 beta releases lel

ashen spindle
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really wonder why, the drivers arent really more unstable than the last whql version

misty saffron
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good to know i’m not alone

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great how google doesn’t give a shit

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literally fucking impossible to watch 2160p60

ashen spindle
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nah you can notice it because youtube bitrate is poop

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also depends on what videos since certain channels get better bitrate even on lower resolutions

misty saffron
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ipad pro 12.9

misty saffron
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1440p fits on the ipad screen and i’m forced to sniff the amazing bitrate

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want a video to be downscaled? too bad

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j

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..it’s google throttling ios app

wheat plume
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X to doubt

misty saffron
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how come can it only make use of speeds 30 times smaller than what my connection allows?

wheat plume
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Why would they throttle the app?

misty saffron
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fuck do i know? it worked perfectly before

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can’t not blame google for this trash

astral haven
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what makes you think its not your provider throttling google?

misty saffron
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the fact i can watch videos normally on my pc

astral haven
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and you are using the api (watching via app) or the website...

misty saffron
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connection speed is 2.5 times as big in browser

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gj google

astral haven
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again

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what makes you think its not your provider

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the website isnt the same as the app for how the stream gets to you

misty saffron
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same issue on vpn

astral haven
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buffering issues

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ive been running into it recently alot

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happens on both ios and android

misty saffron
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fuck up streaming in the app on both platforms for more than half a year
refuse to elaborate

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gotta free up some bandwidth for stadia!

astral haven
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just install a custom app
oh wait

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😛

misty saffron
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i guess i’ll just watch in browser

astral haven
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i also love how webkit prevents you from using 4k

misty saffron
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it doesn’t on my ipad

astral haven
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hunh?

misty saffron
astral haven
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ffs apple

misty saffron
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ipad lies about it being a mac in useragent though

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i think

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by default

ashen spindle
misty saffron
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are you sure it’s webkit?

astral haven
misty saffron
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i’m also on the 16 beta so that’s that

astral haven
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im on the release of 16 on the iphone

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16.2? i think

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16.0.2

misty saffron
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cropping screenshots doesn’t work in the beta

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ugh

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i’m 16 beta 10 anyways

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maybe they did something there

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vp9 acceleration in safari?

astral haven
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why tf would they remove it after?

pale sigil
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man

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i want ios 16 so bad

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*IPad OS 16

misty saffron
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ipados beta 10 is essentially 16.1

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i want my stage manager

astral haven
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i want multitasking on phone...

misty saffron
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i’m at least glad apple with their infinite benevolence brought stage manager to older ipads

astral haven
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yea this is why i have a surface

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if microsoft has a moment of un benevolence, I can switch to linux

coral birch
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can someone help me fighre this out

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so lately when i have more than one window open like lets say i have obs and a game open. my cursor will start bugging out, no matter where it is being used

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all my drivers are up to date

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as soon as the window is closed BOOM issue gone

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does not matter WHAT kinda window it is

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ive searched on yt and all but im at a deadend

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considering discord is essential to pc gaming ive been considering running a factory reset

vocal cipher
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OBS has plugins, maybe one of them causes that? I don't use OBS so just a guess, other thing might be AHK if you have a script running

cursive summit
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Jesus christ

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Microcenter:

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Pretty phenomenal deal

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To transition to the new platform with

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Meanwhile Shitwegg

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Offering an AM5 board with DDR4 memory

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So microcenter is the replacement newegg basically

ashen spindle
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yep, bilion dollar company definitely going to shit because someone had a bad deal listed under the hundreds they have daily for some minutes or so

cursive summit
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Newegg shouldn't be that big, though

ashen spindle
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is that even a listing by newegg or is it a private seller

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like them handling warranty horrible like GN exposed is a bad thing but this is like saying amazon needs to burn because someone put some bundle on there that has an issue, it's not something systemic lmfao

pale sigil
tough quest
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are there any technical differences between the 60he and the two he except the size?

cursive summit
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The controller is different in the sold out 2HE

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For now, until 2HE gets the new controller

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But since AVR 2HE model is all sold out, the new model that will be produced is no different than 60HE just that the manufacturement won't be happening until like Feb/March next year

pale sigil
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From a performance point if view and features there's no difference.

tough quest
cursive summit
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Glad to hear it, you won't be disappointed

shadow minnow
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o.o Apple Maps now show current bus location

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And current arrival/how much the bus is late

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Convenient

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Google maps don’t have that for me

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Really no reason to use them anymore

crimson wigeon
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Probably an API that the transit company provides

ashen spindle
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public api likely

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or semi-public

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many transport things provide that nowadays

misty saffron
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at least in russia

empty wren
vagrant pagoda
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I've had Google support and not support it depending on the city.

astral haven
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Yea, our city town doesn't have that, but at many nearby cities it's there

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And apple maps is gonna have to start getting alot more reviews on it before I can start switching over
Oh and Siri needs to really catch up with the assistant
People keep testing them, and assistant keeps winning...

cursive summit
cursive summit
ashen spindle
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"here are some numbers used to name amd gpus in code, they tell you absolutely nothing aside from showing they wont just have one gpu, have an article about it"

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honestly please just stop linking that trash when they cant even properly look into the twitter posts they make "news" about

quaint quarry
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Is the Wooting two HE same thing as Wooting 60he except full size? Also will there be a tkl version of Wooting 60he, I really like the rapid fire feature.

quaint quarry
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Do you happen to know release date for these 2 keyboards?

reef patrol
pale sigil
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I need a new phone

shadow minnow
halcyon moss
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s22u? :p

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didnt you recently get a new phone?

shadow minnow
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Heard the batteries are good on the Samsung phones lately, especially if you don’t use them for a bit :p

quaint quarry
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what is 2-day expedited shipping?

reef patrol
pale sigil
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Mansen

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Picture please

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The one that shows shipping XD

reef patrol
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That's for air freight.

quaint quarry
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i mean

pale sigil
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Same way to show it

reef patrol
quaint quarry
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with air freight it says delivery will be here by december

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what is the 2-day expedited

pale sigil
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Your 2 day is from the wearhouse

quaint quarry
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is that 2 day delivery once its in usa?

pale sigil
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Yes

quaint quarry
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oh ok

halcyon moss
quaint quarry
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so it will still be here on december

reef patrol
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TLDR; Air freight means the board gets to our warehouse faster and thus ships out faster to you.
Expedited means the COURIER speeds up THEIR delivery process when it leaves our warehouse.

pale sigil
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That's why I asked

reef patrol
shadow minnow
reef patrol
shadow minnow
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It’s weird why it seems more common of devices of one brand, since it’s thing that can happen to any battery too

pale sigil
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Fuck Samsung

halcyon moss
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name a better android phone brand :p

shadow minnow
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I surely hope there is one, otherwise you should switch to iOS :p

halcyon moss
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ive got a s21u 😉

shadow minnow
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Sorry for your loss :p

halcyon moss
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its a great phone tbh

shadow minnow
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I have to admit the zoom camera is cool tbf

halcyon moss
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good camera, good performance, good screen, good software.
its a bit heavy and chunky though

shadow minnow
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Thing is, rn you can get better camera screen and performance from an iPhone of the same price. Though software is subjective and may be a deciding point. dogekek

halcyon moss
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i do not like ios :p or osx

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camera s22 is sometimes better, sometimes not. both are good.

shadow minnow
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That is true but overall it seems to be a bit worse. Tbf s23u may change that.
But yeah, if you don’t like iOS doesn’t make much sense to get an iPhone
If you don’t like android usually same with android phones, though the lower entry price causes some exceptions

fair gull
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for gaming smth with a fan

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for status samsung

solar hinge
fair gull
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samsung isnt

solar hinge
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That's the issue

fair gull
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like over the 3 years i had a samsung now

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i wish i wouldnt have gotten it

halcyon moss
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dont forget software support

fair gull
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ill prob extend my contract when sony releases the xperia 1 v

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unlock the bootloader on that and im set for life

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or use graphene os

pale sigil
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@halcyon moss issue is what they do, prices and hypocrisy.

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Hardware is great, price isn't.

fair gull
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so like apple

pale sigil
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Ye

chrome estuary
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I miss being able to root US samsung phones tbh but i don't use anything root had except for maybe an adblocker but everything i use is adless except for my browser (firefox with ublock origin fixes that or Bromine) and youtube but vanced fixes that.

I like some of the stupid things Samsung provides like the S22Us cameras or the Fold 4's folding.

pale sigil
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Don't they still make you get an deception thing

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Also fuck knox

chrome estuary
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I've never been affected by anything with knox and i'm unsure what you mean by deception

cursive summit
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But it's fine

halcyon moss
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most? almost none :p

cursive summit
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I just refuse to get a Samsung phone

fair gull
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same

chrome estuary
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ngl i want a Surface Duo 2. Not because i particularly plan to use it, but i want it because it's weird and i like to collect weird electronics

fair gull
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the s10+ is the first and last samsung i have

cursive summit
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I also refuse to get anything Apple

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S10 was great

fair gull
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eh id rather have gotten a sony in hindsight

chrome estuary
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if apple drops USB-C on their iphones i think i could use one.

cursive summit
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I think Sony's becoming a bit bigger

shadow minnow
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Haven’t heard of Sony in a while

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Tbf I am not following hardware as much as I used to at all

cursive summit
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If only they didn't price their phones ultra premium

fair gull
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thats my main issue aswell

shadow minnow
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How?

fair gull
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but ill prob get it with a contract extension when the xperia 1 v releases

cursive summit
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Who knows when that will release

chrome estuary
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seeing how the IV came out earlier this year. probably next year

cursive summit
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Not before April probs

fair gull
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ya

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im fine waiting till next year

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the s10 still works fine

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just lacks all the camera stuff i loved on my sony

cursive summit
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It's been a little bit already since 1 IV weirdly, time flies

fair gull
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also the design of sony phones has me more

cursive summit
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Sony's design is wonderful

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3.5mm jack bby

chrome estuary
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the 1 IV came out in June. That was like 4 months ago.

fair gull
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ngl i rarely use my jack but i love having it

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ya sony usually releases in june or july

chrome estuary
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It sucks not having a jack anymore but I'd be fine with it if Google didn't make every single USB-C to 3.5mm completely useless except for their own.

cursive summit
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I tried embracing the no jack

shadow minnow
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I only have a use for jack like once in a year

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Usually I just use earbuds

cursive summit
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Shittiest trend I've ever seen

fair gull
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i use the jack more than once a year

shadow minnow
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I destroyed so many cables on default apple earphones

fair gull
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my sony phones was basically a walkman

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still is

shadow minnow
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I can’t use wired earbuds

cursive summit
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I use headphones daily and I despise the dongle

fair gull
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using earbuds lol

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i dont use earbuds

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full on headphones or bust

shadow minnow
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Headphones idk

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Looks weird outside

fair gull
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idc

cursive summit
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Bexin's the slave of technology

shadow minnow
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Inside speakers better

fair gull
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no looks even weirder

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u put shit into ur ears

shadow minnow
cursive summit
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It Apple tells you to buy apple buds, bexin buys apple buds

fair gull
shadow minnow
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I only got AirPods after trying them

chrome estuary
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I never use wired on my phones. I use speakers with the desktop unless i'm on Discord or want to listen to music with my headphones.

I've got Sony XM3 headphones for bluetooth to my cellphone but that's only used for music like once a day. I listen to Audiobooks primarily with them

shadow minnow
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Thing is I had such horrible headphones AirPods Pro had a better soundstage dogekek

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Steelseries arctis 9X

cursive summit
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I used to roll with wired headphones outside daily

shadow minnow
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Dolby atmos? More like one ear getting louder and one more quiet sound

cursive summit
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Was fine

cursive summit
fair gull
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fact is most people dont give a shit what u look like

shadow minnow
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I also got really used to just using one earbud at a time

cursive summit
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That's a headSET

shadow minnow
shadow minnow
cursive summit
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And headSETs shit

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Headphones are god

shadow minnow
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Anyways AirPods are probably the best tech product I bought

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Considering how much I use them / how much did it cost me

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Apple Watch I kinda consider a waste of money tbh with how little I use it compared to them

ashen spindle
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headsets are headphones with mic, thats why they are a SET

cursive summit
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I hate typing on touch displays fml

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FAM

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Write to text transforms "error" to e2202

chrome estuary
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i use voice dictation quite a lot but I guess it doesn't like my accent or because my words are slurred a lot but some of the stupid shit it's put out instead of what i actually said...

shadow minnow
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Never use voice dictation myself tbh

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Usually I type normally, rarely swipe type

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Swipe typing is nice for when I am using my phone with just one hand

cursive summit
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I find that writing text is more enjoyable than typing it out

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But has a lot of issues

chrome estuary
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i hate swipe myself. never could get behind it.

cursive summit
#

Good old fashioned buttons

wheat plume
#

I love swipe type

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its so good on gBoard

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even uses your dictionary so it knows words you use a lot that arent always real words

chrome estuary
#

good fucking lord. I plugged my phone at 50% like 30min ago and it's already at 91%

wheat plume
#

fast charging is nice!

chrome estuary
#

I was going to say something about the fact it feels like it charges faster than my S22U did... but that's literally because the S22u had a 5000mah and the fold 4 comes with a 4400mah

wheat plume
#

Why are Intel making one of their GPU models limited edition?

halcyon moss
#

marketing

ashen spindle
#

because all gpu makers make limited editions

wheat plume
#

These GPUs looks really nice, the design is cool

#

I wonder will these pair well with an AMD CPU or not?

ashen spindle
#

doesnt matter

wheat plume
#

Probably not right?

#

Now AMD have to compete with Intel in both the CPU and GPU market.... Gosh damn, that must suck

chrome estuary
#

that thing is beautiful.

ashen spindle
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no they dont lol

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they compete with nvidia

wheat plume
#

Yea, they are very pretty GPUs

ashen spindle
#

they dont care for intel gpus

thick elk
#

Neither are dominant in the gpu market and especially not in both

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If amd dominated both gpu and cpu it can happen but that is a long way off

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As long as that is not the case, it's better to have your gpu's work the best they can in any scenario.
Same with cpu's with any gpu

wheat plume
cursive summit
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What a cutie

wheat plume
#

it no load

thick elk
#

I was about to say cute 403

wheat plume
#

yeh xd

cursive summit
#

Fak

ashen spindle
#

no limited is just their version of founders edition cards

cursive summit
crisp granite
#

huh

wheat plume
#

dafuq is that dent?

crisp granite
#

Nah have to cop the intel gpus

cursive summit
#

Cute cord

wheat plume
#

nah

crisp granite
wheat plume
#

better than the abomination that was the clown lips

cursive summit
thick elk
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But yea I would not want the old amd blower coolers, those were quite horrible.

cursive summit
#

Vapour chamber I think?

crimson wigeon
#

4K VAPOR CHAMBER

cursive summit
#

Great performance doesn't get hot

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No dent though, sad

wheat plume
#

It says on the GPU box it needs an AMD Ryzen 5000 series or newer.... so my CPU is not supported ;-;

ashen spindle
#

lana what are you fantasizing about now

wheat plume
#

The Intel GPU

cursive summit
#

First time I've ever heard that a GPU doesn't work with a CPU

wheat plume
#

or select AMD Ryzen 3000 series with compatible UEFI

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🤔

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hmm

crimson wigeon
#

Probably the ReBAR requirement to not have awful performance

ashen spindle
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wow almost like it doesnt need a min spec cpu

#

yes

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its just so performance doesnt suck even more

cursive summit
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Poor, i5-2500k users with an RTX 3080

wheat plume
#

I hope thats not real

#

2nd gen

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with that GPU

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if you got money to spend on that GPU, you got money to get a better CPU

cursive summit
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Old Intel CPUs still have a lot of users

wheat plume
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ashen spindle
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j2c

wheat plume
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10th gen CPU or newer, interesting

wheat plume
ashen spindle
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if he says something I would not bet it being accurate

wheat plume
#

bruh

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HES READING THE BOX

#

how can he NOT be accurate

thick elk
#

He at least knows some practical things about custom loops and such but his hardware takes are oof

cursive summit
#

" Cloud gaming" and "get ahead"

thick elk
#

or at least they were last I heard him years ago.

cursive summit
#

🤡

wheat plume
#

LOL, Razer and Logitech are being stupid with these cloud gaming handhelds

thick elk
#

I genuinely believe there is a market, we just are not that market

shadow minnow
#

Wdym? I bet my 11/1mbps wifi would be great for it dogekek

thick elk
#

Also these devices can be used for emulators quite well.

wheat plume
#

HOW TF IS THAT IMAGE EXPLICIT, DISCORd???

#

finally

cursive summit
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Almost like Deck doesn't do native gaming, emulation, desktop AND cloud gaming

wheat plume
#

^

shadow minnow
wheat plume
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and just 50 dollars more than the Logitech G Cloud which can only do Cloud gaming

thick elk
#

Yea but if you drop the native part you get a cheaper, slimmer and less power-hungry device.
and for native pc gaming it is almost impossible to compete with the deck

wheat plume
#

Yeah tbf, Logitech is claiming 12+ hours of battery for cloud gaming

cursive summit
#

It feels like companies like AYA got bitchslapped so hard by Valve they are still trying to recover

wheat plume
#

I love the backplate <3

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has a small RGB strip too

shadow minnow
thick elk
#

Before the deck the market was very niche, I think aya as a small company can continue to carve a niche for itself

wheat plume
#

Even now, the Deck is still the most powerful for the price you can get in handhelds

#

Which makes sense, they sell at a loss in hopes to get game sales back

#

Aya and such cant do that

ashen spindle
#

doesnt really matter if the box says that, the box likely specifies the min cpu that use rebar since otherwise the performance is worse but unless they changed it since pre release those cards run on older stuff too

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and any other reviewer who had a card already knows that so its not new information so bit questionable he doesnt even figure that out and just wonders why its on the box ¯_(ツ)_/¯

stark bobcat
#

I hope my old x470 motherboard supports rebar then these would be an option for my aging secondary pc

ashen spindle
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probably does

stark bobcat
#

Maybe it's a trash board tho which is why I replaced it

ashen spindle
#

well its not really something where the board needs to have anything for

stark bobcat
#

Asus sold me crap 😡
All because I was not doing research

Still blame asus

ashen spindle
#

the option just needs to exist in bios

stark bobcat
#

Yeah I rarely saw it on asus bios agesa release list

#

I think they know it's shit

ashen spindle
#

anyway my main poiont was if its not watercooling don't put weight into hardware stuff that J2C talks about

stark bobcat
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Lol that guy is a clown

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I feel sorry for anyone who does

stark bobcat
ashen spindle
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its just unboxing that is allowed by now

stark bobcat
#

I'm excited for the reviews

ashen spindle
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so thje slides are likely from the intel event

stark bobcat
#

Also since it's being compared to the 3060 it's easy to compute the actual values but the 3060 isn't exactly known as a raytracing powerhouse

wheat plume
#

Intel are very specifically targetting the 3060 and above

ashen spindle
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you mean below

wheat plume
#

oh

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yeah

stark bobcat
#

I really want to see GNs next look at their drivers

#

I'm hopeful they can improve faster than AMD did

frozen ingot
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faster than like 2 decades?

stark bobcat
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Yeah but AMD was in a really rough spot in the bulldozer era

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I forgive them for having shitty drivers then

ashen spindle
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realistically amd only went up since after vega

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so looking at that time, then how much more money intel has they should still be able to catch up in software faster

#

but we'll see

stark bobcat
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Yeah sadly money doesn't fix everything instantly

ashen spindle
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ìt doesnt fix it but it gives them better starting positons

stark bobcat
#

The "just hire more devs" thing is hilarious to me

#

Too many cooks and all that

ashen spindle
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well they cant hire more but they can hire better ones and get them from apple/nvidia/amd

stark bobcat
#

Yeah but still there is a certain amount of time required to do things even with the best possible people.
Many people just have unrealistic expectations

ashen spindle
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oh yea for sure

#

just that they can offer better things than amd could offer when vega was the product and attract more people that could do it vs amd having less options

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now that doesnt mean it will work but I think its possible they can catch up faster in that area at least

wheat plume
#

Don't see why a Ryzen 5 3600 wouldn't be enough to run these GPUs....

It can be paired with an rtx 3060 without issues right?

ashen spindle
#

yes it is enough for those gpus

ashen spindle
#

like even the box said it runs on 3000 series and you posted that yourself, really wonder how you then come to the conclusion the opposite is the case

cursive summit
#

I don't remember if the resizable BAR thingy works on 3000 series and down

#

Which is AMD's SAM, Nvidia just calls it resizable BAR?

#

Intel prolly has their own name for it and it probably doesn't work on Ryzen 3000

stray flicker
#

Tell me if i am crazy

#

But if i work in a computer development company

cursive summit
stray flicker
#

I will try to stuff a wooting keyboard into a laptop

cursive summit
#

Have fun

#

That'll be one wide ass laptop unless it's a 60HE

stray flicker
#

I mean i saw some company did use a full sized keyboard for laptop though?

#

Though it's a low profile switches

cursive summit
#

I have no clue

#

But Wooting switches prolly won't work with other controllers or PCBs so you'd have to somehow modify the existing PCB

#

To be of a more compact nature

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Cause I have a Wooting 1TKL in front of me and it's a wide ass keyboard

ashen spindle
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low profile doesnt really mesh well with analog since you need to detect distance travelled, also more sensors etc. that would need to be fitted into it

#

not impossible but unlikely to be a product that would sell well

ashen spindle
stray flicker
#

is 2mm keystroke too short

#

for a mech keyboard

stray flicker
#

ok scrap that wooting laptop idea

#

2mm doesn't seems a good option for analog control

#

literally half of the separate keyboard version

frozen ingot
#

which is why we need laptops with full-travel mech keybeds

stray flicker
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they'll be soon

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But that will make the laptop very thick

frozen ingot
#

like the good ol' days

vagrant pagoda
#

There are some gaming laptops with real keyswitches

pale sigil
#

Tired out the galaxy tab S8 ultra... It was very meh.... It was also laggy when adjusting the canvas when drawing.... Idk why anyone would pick it over an ipad.

#

I love android but Christ it's still bad for tablets

#

Screen was beautiful though

cursive summit
#

Lol what

#

"Very meh"
"Laggy"

#

What are you smoking

pale sigil
#

The drawing app was laggy when adjusting and pinching the canvas

cursive summit
#

?

#

That is factually wrong

#

What bloated tablet did you try

pale sigil
#

I tried it on two different tabs 02Shrug

cursive summit
#

Huh

#

I own one

#

Been using it for a few months now

pale sigil
#

Fuck knows then

cursive summit
#

It's great

#

I've never experienced lag on this thing

pale sigil
#

But I was asking my artist friend how she felt with the pen, she said it was pretty good! But still preferred gen 2 apple pencil, but not a lot more, same with pro create.

#

The physical feel if the tab is nice too, I just hate the overall UI etc, it's better than I expected but still overall very meh.

#

That's more an issue with android than the hardware tbf!

cursive summit
#

Pen's nice, indeed

silk trout
#

the ui thing is more samsung issue imo

pale sigil
#

It's so overpriced though

#

Tbh

cursive summit
#

I didn't know it had the artist thing

#

Where it has variable pressure

pale sigil
#

@silk trout name me any android tablet that has a good ui

silk trout
#

i have a samsung phone and its just horrendous without a launcher

silk trout
cursive summit
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There are downloadable launchers, that's true

pale sigil
#

Im hoping google do a good job pushing it

cursive summit
#

But that's just performance bloat on top

pale sigil
#

As they are making a proper version for their new tab irrc

silk trout
#

i dont find a launcher to really affect performance for me

cursive summit
#

Tbf people that complain about things like UI are elitists at best

#

The UI is fine

#

If you don't like it, it's really mostly your fault at having terrible expectations lul

#

I just want to use the device for media, I don't care much for UI

pale sigil
#

Not elitists

#

Just like before ipad os it was messy

#

Im spending so much money I want a nice fluid experience

ashen spindle
#

its not about them being amazing, but the other options just have lots of problem cases

pale sigil
#

Ye

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But tbh ipad os 16 is actually fucking awesome

#

@digital cliff when was this btw

#

No

#

Goldfish memory

#

Just im wondering if you had it when ipad os was out

#

Or iOS XD

#

Oh then ipad os

misty saffron
#

that's the point lol

#

everything just works and i remember the miserable experience my samsung tablet was

pale sigil
#

Tbf Samsung improved a lot so it probably isn't as bad as you remember @misty saffron

#

It's still meh though

#

I really want to want one XD

#

Because I don't wanna pay for an ipad pro XD but they are the same price so it's a no brainer as the pro vastly out performs the Samsung

misty saffron
#

oh yeah exynos lmao

pale sigil
#

If it wasn't for ipad os 16 I would have been tempted

#

@digital cliff

Garbage optimization
Shit UI
Android is very hungry
Basic features such as multi task/windows is half assed
Tablet support for apps is overall meh
Exynos
Battery is just shit
For half the price you can get equivalent if not better perf with an ipad
Life span is much much shorter, perf degrades sooner, you don't see android tablets keeling their value like ipads

#

In general everything just works so much better and smoother, the pencil is also better but my god it's overpriced af

silk trout
#

no one making competition to ipad since the beginning tbh

pale sigil
#

Because it's difficult to do it unless there's a huge push

silk trout
#

yup

pale sigil
#

Which im really hoping google do soon.

#

With their new tablet....

#

Just like ipads they were kinda meh till they got their own OS

#

Night and day difference honestly

#

And ipad os 16 is just like WOW

#

Ipad is doing what Microsoft could never, I just wish apple were dick heads

#

And allowed for things I miss from Android

ashen spindle
#

ipadOS also makes sure everything for an ipad knows its on a tablet, has to follow rules for aspect ration and all, on android you basically gotta hope your app works on the tablet and not just phones sometimes

pale sigil
#

Mhmm

#

I would really love to jump ship from apple which is why im looking forward to googles tablet

silk trout
#

google making android means they can make a tablet ui/force it to work better

crimson wigeon
#

Well they did do a big tablet push way way back in the day with Android 3 Honeycomb and then over time all that tablet UI stuff was removed

pale sigil
#

Haha ye

#

I had a nexus 7

#

Loved it but it became garbage after a year

silk trout
#

hate that i cant get small phones anymore

pale sigil
#

Haha

silk trout
#

my htc one m7 back in the day was so good

#

used that shit for like 6-7 years

pale sigil
#

Omg I have that in my draw

#

Great phone but extremely flawed

#

It was not designed very well which is why the m8 was much much much better

silk trout
#

only flaw to me was the goddamn material they used to make it

pale sigil
#

Slippery

silk trout
#

why was it so slippery

pale sigil
#

And also the curved back

#

Was kinda a nightmare

#

Beautiful design

#

Still holds up

#

And it had proper slow mo years before apple

#

Made me cringe when everyone went crazy about the iphone slow mo shit

silk trout
#

i literally dropped that shit like 50 timnes

#

actually its in my drawer

pale sigil
#

Mine the camera wad fucked

#

It was purple and shit

silk trout
#

it looks like mine went through a warzone

pale sigil
#

The real nail in the coffin was the sim card failing

#

Reader sorry

#

Still one of my fave pics taken

#

Still looks good after all these years!

#

She's 18 soon

#

XD

silk trout
pale sigil
#

Crazy

silk trout
#

absolutely farked

pale sigil
#

Wtf XD

#

Mine still powers on but the battery is so bad

silk trout
#

everything works on mine

pale sigil
#

Best thing about that picture is she was moving

silk trout
#

i dropped it in water too

pale sigil
#

ZOE

#

But yes

frozen ingot
ashen spindle
#

alright google, if you spy on my words at least use your AI to notice I DONT want this channel on my recommend page smh

crimson wigeon
#

Don't resist it..

ashen spindle
#

already clicked on dont show me anything from this channel

#

lets hope that sticks for a while

misty saffron
#

is that the guy that talks too much?

#

99% of tech youtubers though tbf

thick elk
#

Well what else are they to do, kind of their job?

#

Show marketing slides maybe

ashen spindle
#

its someone who got big from watercooling and making custom pcs for celebrities and now tries to talk about technical stuff but lacks knowledge about it

#

so uh, guess talking too much does fit?

misty saffron
#

i was more referring to 20 minute videos with 4 slides

#

eg benchmarks

slow garnet
#

@ashen spindle If you're using a browser you can make a rule with uBlock Origin to block said channel. Alternatively easier to use extensions exist.

ashen spindle
#

nah I havent seen a recommendation before so I just tell youtube to ignore that channel

#

works quire well

slow garnet
#

you do you ¯_(ツ)_/¯

ashen spindle
#

I dont follow any channels so I got my frontpage trained pretty well for 85% stuff I like xD

wheat plume
#

bricked a watercooled motherboard because he was one row of pins off connecting the power plug to it

ashen spindle
#

never watched a video of Kyle literally just know him from others mentioning him

wheat plume
#

yeah, dont

ashen spindle
#

but better than 0 doesn’t mean much still xD

wheat plume
#

huh?

ashen spindle
#

Im saying jay being better than Kyle doesn’t mean much if Kyle apparently knows even less xD

wheat plume
#

yeah...

#

1 month later and I wish the Deck charger had a removable cable

#

cause the cable is just hardwired into the charger brick

wheat plume
#

Yeh :/

magic crypt
#

That's stupid

wheat plume
#

I'd love to get a 65w charger brick for it that could power the Deck and also other accessories like keyboard and mouse and USB hhd

magic crypt
#

Hhmmm might just wait for a decent 3rd party dock

wheat plume
#

Jsaux seem to be the only decent docks right now
But you still use the original charger to power it

#

while IBUYPOWER will build you a PC for roughly the same price, that one doesn't come with a light up cock and balls in it
Linus Tech Tips - 2022

magic crypt
#

🤣

wheat plume
#

Tbf
It does look like a penis

stark bobcat
static quest
#

Anyone know what the best/good switches are for the twohe if you want clicky switches, if thats possible im being rlly lazy rn

stark bobcat
#

Please inform yourself better about the things you buy

static quest
#

Yea, nah it's cool, i like how they are now i was just curious cus i broke my other kb in question an was just curious if anyone knew of anything cus sometimes theres weird stuff out there, thanks tho

mild dome
#

At work we use Alogic docking stations. They are pretty decent

fair gull
#

anyome got a good recommendation for a macbook pro dock?

stray flicker
#

speaking of water cooling i once wanted to buy a water cooled laptop lol

shadow minnow
#

Very long ago I thought watercooling means having to put a water reservoir in, and then once it heats up put it into a fridge, then repeat

vocal cipher
reef patrol
#

Called Chillers.

#

Basically a fridge cooler adapted for a CPU.

vocal cipher
reef patrol
#

That's just silly.

vocal cipher
#

I mean the fridge is always running so some might think it as ¨saving¨

#

the problem was that pc made the fridge try to cool all the time which made it cost much more expensive, or not work at all

ashen spindle
#

bro what is this curse, I woke up and saw in a friends discord of like 10 people someone posted a J2C and once again it was one where he was repeating false info from the internet lmfao

reef patrol
#

Do like sensible people and ignore him. Getting banned for pointing things out is even better.

ashen spindle
#

nah they aren't big on tech so I explained why it was wrong, just cursed that first its here, then my youtube then there lol

reef patrol
#

No no - I meant get blocked by Jayz 😄

ashen spindle
#

oh I cba looking at his twitter lol

#

was about the pcie5 cable spec allegedly only holding out for 30 cycles of plugging it in and he didn't manage to figure out that was like absolute minimum legal guarantee and basically the same as current 8pins

vocal cipher
#

I think that should be a rare case where everything was just in perfect setting... The lighting the angle etc...

stark bobcat
#

Htc one those were the times

#

I miss mine

ashen spindle
#

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AiMcQB2FvyM makes you wonder why amd didn't include eco mode for gaming more on launch or keep the 6 core on the same old ppt or something like that

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like its not issue but feel like coverage would've been just better if eco mode was on by default for 6/8 core for example

pale sigil
vagrant pagoda
ashen spindle
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nah I dont care about the box cooler part of the video

#

more about the results in eco mode

vagrant pagoda
#

Same reason. You want 7000 for speed not eco

ashen spindle
#

and its not like amd is going to make eco mode default after early adopters go it

vagrant pagoda
#

They will make low power parts

ashen spindle
#

feel like especially in the current climate showing how efficient it can be for so little performance loss would be a big marketing win

vagrant pagoda
#

Wait for non X parts

ashen spindle
#

or like I said have the entry parts be lower power and keep 7950 and such at the max powerdraw since thats more work performance anyway

vagrant pagoda
#

Like every Ryzen generation

ashen spindle
#

I know and it doesnt matter to me but I think it's just a worse marketing/mind share move

vagrant pagoda
#

How

#

They literally will sell a cheaper part that is lower tdp

#

Which will likely have a stock cooler.

ashen spindle
#

continuing the trend of "look you can use the same cooler an am5"(*except not really) so the first look is not that it has more powerdraw

#

again, dont care about stock cooler, that video just also has eco mode results

vagrant pagoda
#

I mean all my coolers work

ashen spindle
#

isnt the nhd15 not working because different spacing or did I see something wrong there

vagrant pagoda
#

Nope

#

If you have the AM4 kit

#

It uses stock back plate and works

ashen spindle
#

ahahah fucking hell I saw someones list and turns out they took it from a J2C video and he had an age old nhd15 without the am4 kit lmfao

vagrant pagoda
#

Any cooler that uses the stock back plate works.

#

So if you have like an artic aio, it will work too

#

I don't get why any cooler uses a separate backplate for amd

#

The stock amd backplate is more than sturdy enough

#

And it's normal 6-32 thread

ashen spindle
#

anyway point was it could've been you can reuse the same cooler and if you stay in the same line you are also guaranteed it's not a chance that you might want to upgrade for more thermal dissipation, if we assume someone had a 3600x and some lower end cooler for example

#

yes it will still work fine and all

silk trout
#

i need to upgrade cooler but i cant be bothered until i actually upgrade

#

3600 stock cooler is hilariously bad

vagrant pagoda
#

Yeah

#

The only phenom/bulldozer cooler is one of those best

#

I have a few kicking around

#

They had such good stock fans

#

The pwm range is amazing

astral haven
#

if only the cpus it was designed for were capable of being cooled with air lmao

pale sigil
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Makes no fucking sense

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Why is the transfer so shit from my external SSD

astral haven
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because the ssd in the deck is dramless and probably so is the one in your external ssd?

gusty kiln
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FINALLLYYYYYYY

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inb4 they are pro monitors first

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instead of gaming

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oh wait 27" gaming in 2023

final flame
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it is still very nice

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oled response time is already very nice, so all it really needs is higher refresh

gusty kiln
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idk about WOLED burn in though

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QD-OLED has its own way

stark bobcat
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I'm excited for that

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very cool

pale sigil
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@astral haven external SSD is Samsung 850

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Internal steam deck is also dram im pretty sure or w.e

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Nvm the deck doesn't

astral haven
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it physically cant

pale sigil
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Ye I got confused but anyway, transferring to the SSD was very fast, just writing to the deck nvme from the SSD is slow, yet in other situations it's fast

astral haven
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yes

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that is how dramless ssds act

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inconsistent

ashen spindle
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you mean dramless ssds

astral haven
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yes oops corrected

reef patrol
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SSDless DRAM.

astral haven
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i mean
that does in fact exist

reef patrol
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We call it RAM.

astral haven
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👉 👉

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just posting some normal ram dont mind me

reef patrol
wheat plume
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They are really pretty cards tho

gusty kiln
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reminds me of EVGA's 900 series cards

wheat plume
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oh no

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its him again

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BEWARE!

reef patrol
ashen spindle
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yeah they are pretty, pretty buggy havo

wheat plume
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Figures

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Intel graphics drivers were never great

ashen spindle
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uhh no the igpu drivers were quite good

misty saffron
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igpus weren’t

ashen spindle
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ya it worked, just not a lot of power behind it

misty saffron
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and no support for quite a lot of directx apis

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ask me how i know

vagrant pagoda
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lg woled is only good to ~700 nits

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540 to 700 isnt nothing

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but not groundbreaking

astral haven
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ah but is it 700 peak?

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or is it 700 sustained...

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in sdr

vagrant pagoda
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hdr

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for both

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3% window

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is standard

astral haven
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ew

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what about 100% window spreadsheets

vagrant pagoda
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200

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like all oleds

astral haven
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uh

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my phone is a solid 700 and its oled

vagrant pagoda
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monitors

astral haven
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"With MultiClient Integrated KVM switch, you can control two separate PCs with one monitor-keyboard-mouse set up."

vagrant pagoda
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i have ips's

gusty kiln
vagrant pagoda
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and they have the kvm

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dont use it

gusty kiln
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I use the KVM on my M27Q-X all the time with my work laptop

vagrant pagoda
astral haven
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they sold them, but alot of oled and lcd tech was made in philips labs

vagrant pagoda
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i think thier top end 27 inch has over 2000 zones

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in a 27 inch

astral haven
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anyways the question is the abl

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how bad is the abl

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Full White Luminance: 250 cd/m2
oh that probably means no abl for sdr

vagrant pagoda
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i dont think monitor oleds have abl for sdr

astral haven
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yes, which is why you want the monitor over a tv

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that was the big problem with the asus
it still had abl

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and the price was horrific

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it was 540 nits peak too, but it went down to like 90 outside a small window

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literally worse than crt

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well thats better than I expected
only 3% off peak perf with a decent air cooler

gusty kiln
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damn my U14S is still pretty decent

astral haven
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this is cpu performance not cooler performance

vagrant pagoda
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i mean

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that isnt bad

astral haven
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Yep

vagrant pagoda
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the 8 and 16 arent bad on the wraith